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    Re: Announcement of public scoping meetings for BLM's Black Canyon Recreation and Tra

    I'll be there on the 12th, and hopefully the 24th. Thanks for the heads up Chris.

    I'm also trying to arrange an impromptu meeting with Jeff Gursh prior to this to discuss the issues at hand.
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    Re: Announcement of public scoping meetings for BLM's Black Canyon Recreation and Tra

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    We should go and grab a beer afterword?
    Depending on how the meeting goes I might wish I'd a started earlier. You're on!
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    Re: Announcement of public scoping meetings for BLM's Black Canyon Recreation and Tra

    Quote Originally Posted by OTR-93YJ View Post
    I'll try to make one of these meetings. It's going to be tough though since I was off... Maybe I can go in early one day and get off early enough to make it.
    What?

    Just go in late; you can leave early to make up for it.
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    Re: Announcement of public scoping meetings for BLM's Black Canyon Recreation and Tra

    Here's a question for you guys who have gone through the process already and have an idea of what to expect. If I'm a new guy who's interested in getting involved in the process what can I do to help? I know the first answer will be to show up and that's great, but what I'm looking for here is, let's say I want to go to a meeting, how can I prepare myself? What is typically going to be discussed? Is there anything I should bring with me i.e. pictures of rigs on the trails, etc. Are there any specific regulations I should research to arm myself with beforehand to bring up as talking points? You get the idea.
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    Re: Announcement of public scoping meetings for BLM's Black Canyon Recreation and Tra

    I've been attending these types of meetings with the BLM for about five years now. It started out as "open discussion" type meetings but the last few they have gone to a closed format where you just listen as they lay it out for you. Then you are welcomed to comment either on line or on a comment card and mail it in. I can see why they did this because some of the meetings got really out of hand. One of them you had to write down your questions as the meeting progressed and then ask them at the end. That was a pita. You miss a lot while you're writing down your questions.

    Iw ould say that since there is a storm brewing for the BB trails taking pictures of vehicles on those trails with dates of the runs would be beneficial. I doubt anyone is going to look at them in depth, but when the AZOHVC and the others go before them about the trails it could help.

    But yes, just going to the meetings is a great way to get involved and learn just how easily they can close trails.

    There's always a group that shows up with pictures showing the destruction the illegals are causing down south. That doesn't work, they don't care, the border is not their problem.
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    Re: Announcement of public scoping meetings for BLM's Black Canyon Recreation and Tra

    Quote Originally Posted by DanFelix View Post
    Thanks for the heads-up Chris, I'll see if I can make it to one of these. It would be nice if someone who knows all of the BB trails could put up a list and coordinates so we can start our case to keep them open.
    I am not sure that putting up a list and coords here is a good idea.
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    We have the map that Jeff Gursh made for us and we know the BLM will see that. I think showing up with that will be a big help. I'd be happy to forward my map to anyone planning to attend the meeting. Just PM me your email address and I'll send it to you.
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    Re: Announcement of public scoping meetings for BLM's Black Canyon Recreation and Tra

    I recieved this mail from Rem Hawes. I believe he's the manager for this district. I've met him and he's a stand up guy as far as I'm concerned. If you have intelligent things you want to say to him about this project I'd contact him directly.

    You likely heard about the Badger Fire that started May 20, mostly east of northbound I-17 near Sunset Point. The fire closed the Interstate in both directions for four hours. The fire has burned 487 acres and, while not completely out, is now 100 percent contained.

    A motor home caught fire. I happened to be driving by and snapped the attached photo as it really began to burn. (The owners got out safely.) As I passed the RV, the fire had not yet spread to the grass or brush next to the roadside. Less than a mile down the road, I stopped at the Badger Springs exit to call the office and report the fire. By the time I did, the fire had spread to the grass and brush far from the RV and and was spreading north, west, and east, driven by wind and dry conditions. The fire also jumped the highway and burned substantial acreage in the median.

    BLM's Weaver Mountain helitack crew responded to the fire, as well a Phoenix-based and two Kingman-based engines. Fires crews from the Tonto and Prescott National Forests, and fire departments in Mayer, Prescott, Black Canyon City, and Anthem, as well as the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office and ADOT assisted. No structures were lost and BLM resource specialists will size up the need for stabilization or rehabilitation of burned areas.

    I also want to pass along that on Saturday, May 24, a fire fighter detailed to the BLM helitack crew, while engaged in a mop up operation on the Badger Fire, was struck by a rolling rock and sustained a badly broken arm (humerus). He was immediately airlifted, had surgery on May 25, and is recovering well. He may be released yet today.

    I want to remind all that in addition to our Stage 1 fire restrictions, on May 23, a ban on recreational shooting went into effect on public lands throughout the entire 2.4 million-acre BLM Phoenix District.

    If you have any questions, contact Monument Manager Amanda James at ajames@blm.gov or 623-580-5568, or me. Thanks.

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    Re: Announcement of public scoping meetings for BLM's Black Canyon Recreation and Tra

    Quote Originally Posted by OTR-93YJ View Post
    I've been attending these types of meetings with the BLM for about five years now. It started out as "open discussion" type meetings but the last few they have gone to a closed format where you just listen as they lay it out for you. Then you are welcomed to comment either on line or on a comment card and mail it in. I can see why they did this because some of the meetings got really out of hand. One of them you had to write down your questions as the meeting progressed and then ask them at the end. That was a pita. You miss a lot while you're writing down your questions.

    Iw ould say that since there is a storm brewing for the BB trails taking pictures of vehicles on those trails with dates of the runs would be beneficial. I doubt anyone is going to look at them in depth, but when the AZOHVC and the others go before them about the trails it could help.

    But yes, just going to the meetings is a great way to get involved and learn just how easily they can close trails.

    There's always a group that shows up with pictures showing the destruction the illegals are causing down south. That doesn't work, they don't care, the border is not their problem.
    It's good to hear that the BLM keeps a level head when it comes to some of the groups from the other side that try to provide false evidence. I remember reading a lot of minutes from the Middle Gila travel plan and I got the impression that at least some of the .gov people were willing to listen to reason from all sides. Although I plan to just observe at this meeting, I really hope it isn't a closed meeting, it does seem unfortunate that's the route they went on some issues. I know there are a lot of well spoken people in this community and I hope they have a chance to have their voice heard.

    Anyone else have any comments as to what to expect? I can't bring pictures or anything, but is there anything else I can bring or prepare myself with? A notebook to write notes? Laptop? Anyting?
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    Re: Announcement of public scoping meetings for BLM's Black Canyon Recreation and Tra

    Keep in mind the Middle Gila is from the Tucson BLM, they for the most part side with those who oppose OHV.

    This is dealing with the Phoenix BLM office, they worked with us on the Table Mesa plan and it went better then any previous travel management planning that I can think of in the past decade.

    I would agree posting up Coords here is probably not a good idea, Woody is working on getting a meeting with Jeff prior to these meetings on the 12th and 24th, the maps will be there of what is known and adding this information would be beneficial. As well giving Jeff pictures at that time would also be a huge benefit, giving him the history to detail how long the trail has been open will also help.

    TanTJJim when Woody posts up the meeting with Jeff wouild be good to attend, great place to ask questions, will also detail what type of information to share and discuss at the meetings.
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    Is it beneficial to go to all the meetings, or just one? This time around my time is a lot more flexible than the past. Just know when you see my Prius in the parking lot to not park on top of it as it's not a Sierra Club member showing up.

    I typically stay pretty quiet in the meetings as I'm pretty jaded about the whole experience and figure my keeping shut up is better for the cause. I can though fill out comment cards after being very selective of what I want to say.
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    Thanks for the response Chris, it sounds like Jeff is THE guy to get in touch with, I'm definitely glad Woody has maintained communication with him.

    I know back in the day you said Martinez was going to be the trail we had to really put up a fight for. I'm pissed we lost it, but moving forward I really want to help with this area. There are too many good trails in that area to lose all of them. I think we should put every bit of fight into this that we did with Martinez.

    And from what I've read, I agree it seems Phoenix BLM is a much better organization to work with than Tucson, I really hope that trend continues. There were times I could almost feel the tension in the meeting just from reading the Middle Gila minutes, I could only imagine the struggle that went on to keep the trails that we did.
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    Jim, thanks for your involvement. It's good to have as many people in the fight as possible.

    When I first started going to meetings, I never said a word. Just wanted to be there to show my support.

    If only the same few people show up at these meetings, it makes us look like we don't care.

    For all others out there who are afraid to speak up, don't worry. Just show up in your red shirts to show you care!
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    Looking forward to it! I've been wanting to get involved in this for a long time, I'm glad I finally have the time to do so.
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    Re: Announcement of public scoping meetings for BLM's Black Canyon Recreation and Tra

    Looks like multiple meet and greet opportunities. See you next week X2.

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