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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    Edit: see last post.
    Last edited by HvyHau8272; 04-25-2012 at 06:16 AM.
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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    Not trying to derail this thread but i think this is his house Rich.



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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    This is the reason you just buy a 3/4 ton diesel and put heavier springs or overload springs/airbags. It will do anything a 1 ton will without all the bs.
    I'm sorry, what? I was ignoring you

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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    Quote Originally Posted by RokNRich View Post
    So, I've had three calls this week from guys that are running one ton rigs and pulling PERSONAL trailers that say they've been stopped by DPS and because of a new law (which I still can't find the details of), they need a medical physical similiar to the ones the CDL drivers get. They are being told they don't need a CDL, but they need the physical...I have seen some mention of changes that supposedly went into effect in February, but I can't find anything with authority...
    Rich are they talking about travel trailers/RV's?
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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    Apparently they have been talking about this same subject in the RV community. Read this thread all the way through. It seems the CFR regs have changed to include non-CDL holders as well, but it only applies to vehicles used for commerce.

    http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=96604&st=0
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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Desertdawg View Post
    Apparently they have been talking about this same subject in the RV community. Read this thread all the way through. It seems the CFR regs have changed to include non-CDL holders as well, but it only applies to vehicles used for commerce.

    http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=96604&st=0
    The 49 CFR's always have included non CDL holders in the DOT medical requirements as long as they were driving a CMV (by state or federal definition) involved in commerce. The one big difference is that non CDL, CMV drivers do not fall under the D&A regulations like CDL holders do. But they do have to have a DQ file the same as a CDL holder does to drive a CMV. This is NOT anything new. Like I said before the issue that some people including some DPS officers are missing is the definition of a CMV involved in commerce (KEY WORD COMMERCE) and one that is not involved in commerce. One can be regulated by the 49 CFR's as a CMV and the other can NOT be regulated by them and falls under state statutes.

    The idea of all CMV's involved in commerce being required to obtain a USDOT number is something new regardless of size for Arizona if it falls under the guidelines of a CMV.

    No offence intended towards any LEO's on here but hey they make mistakes also. That is why we have courts to fight bogus tickets.

    If you drive a one ton pick-up truck not involved in commerce........ DO NOT rush out and attempt to get a USDOT number. There is a whole lot more requirements that go with that number that you don't need and don't want to go there. Now with that said do as you wish as like I said before I'm no expert I have just been in the industry for 25+ years.

    Rich you never called today. My plan was to give you some contact info for a DPS officer in the CMV program. I wonít say his name on the forum sorry. He is the one single source for any CMV questions in the state of Arizona. He wrote and developed most of the CMV programs for the state of Arizona.
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    Absolutely we make mistakes! Assuming the individuals in Rich's case were not involved in commerce with thier vehicles/trailers it sounds like a DPS officer out there is making a bad call and it's only a matter of time he will either be corrected by his supervisor or a judge in court. Good info to know since a lot of us haul trailers and RV's. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on this subject!
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    Stumbled upon this thread a little late... FWIW- I took a CA registered 1 ton and when asked if it was owned by a business or used for business, I said no, when I registered it in AZ. They then gave me a plate that starts with CG-.....

    After reading through this thread, I'm assuming there is no need to worry about this new law. Am I correct about that or do I need to start reading?
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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    the only thing i can fig is ya all put these trucks in CO names for tax purposes,,,,, is that correct?
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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jpjeeper95 View Post
    This is the reason you just buy a 3/4 ton diesel and put heavier springs or overload springs/airbags. It will do anything a 1 ton will without all the bs.
    Both my F250 and F350 have CG plates and both are in my name not the company.

    Quote Originally Posted by azgypsy1234 View Post
    the only thing i can fig is ya all put these trucks in CO names for tax purposes,,,,, is that correct?
    And insurance purposes.
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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    The State of Arizona is looking for any and all ways to generate and collect fines, fees and $$ charges they can (cause of the economy). I have a CDL, medical card and when I was issued a 1 ton truck maintained a log book (manual then electronic) here at work. Got pulled over by a DOT specialist and went through the ringer once too. I will check with my corporate DOT expert to see if anything changed Feb 1st in Arizona but I believe its existing laws/rules now being more strictly enforced ( for that extra $$$ to the state). What I understand ANY use for private (non business or income making) reasons the driver does not need a CDL or medical card, Any pvt use of <26k Gross needs a "not for hire" sticker on the doors. Like driving/renting a U-Haul-- a private person moving private goods for personal reasons--- no medical card or CDL needed.

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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    On licensing: in AZ ANY vehicle that even remotely resembles a commercial use/activity has to have that commercial plate--even say, 1/2 ton Ford Econoline vans for example. RVs resemble recreational usage so hence no commercial plate needed. This is why you see Taxis and Limos with those plates and of course AZ assumes all 3/4 ton based and up "require" those plates. At the time of registration the owner can plead to DMV that say 3/4 ton is used for private purposes but it is hard to convince them. Again it is all for revenue generating . Again I will check with my expert and report back.

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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Silverdiesel View Post
    On licensing: in AZ ANY vehicle that even remotely resembles a commercial use/activity has to have that commercial plate--even say, 1/2 ton Ford Econoline vans for example. RVs resemble recreational usage so hence no commercial plate needed. This is why you see Taxis and Limos with those plates and of course AZ assumes all 3/4 ton based and up "require" those plates. At the time of registration the owner can plead to DMV that say 3/4 ton is used for private purposes but it is hard to convince them. Again it is all for revenue generating . Again I will check with my expert and report back.
    I would be interested in knowing who your "expert" is or at least what company it is that you work for.
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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    I think you are mistaken about 3/4 ton. I have had two 3/4 ton trucks and never had a commercial plate nor did I have to plead with MVD to run non-commercial plates.
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    Re: Is your 1 ton registered as a Commercial Vehicle ?

    If folks are getting non commercial plates for 3/4 tons - great- the trucks ans vans I have owned through my crazy life- I struggled to get non commercial plates if vehicles looked commercial... I work for a large vehicle leasing and renting company with a structured corporate office meaning they have an awesome legal dept with DOT specialty... all the points I made are valid.. You do not need a CDL or medical card if you are doing private/recreational activities driving any kind of vehicle especially if you own it, even vehicles exceeding 26k.... All I am trying to do here is to help folks by passing on what I know and understand... you can take it or leave it,, I am only trying to help and put drivers at ease. Oh and the Feb 1st enacted law is something about combining the CDL with medical card this applies to commercial only.

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