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96629 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 5:51pm
Subject: Re: RE 3.5" lift question... help!!!


Assuming that you mean the lower control arms (though it could happen to
the uppers also), then the rubber bushings are more than likely worn out
and will need replacing.. I believe Stu has a writeup on his site
regarding the bushing replacement.
Pretty common to have to replace those rubber bushings with the RE arms.


Fred



Patrick Dicks wrote:

>I put a new RE 3.5" lift on my 01 tj. I started to hear some minor
>noise so I decided to check to make sure everything was tight. I
>inspected the control arms and noticed that the bushings (the rubber
>ones that mount to the frame)on three of the control arms are
>shifting to one side. this is causing the control arm to rub against
>the mounting bracket medal to medal.
>
>One of my neighbors has the same lift so we took a look at his and
>one of his rear ones is doing the same thing. My lift is 3 months old
>and his is two months old.
>
>I installed mine myself and his was installed at 4 wheelers. Anyone
>have any idea what the problem could be?? This can't be normal. I am
>pretty sure 4 wheelers will replace the arms but I don't want to have
>the same problem.
>
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96630 From: Craig Micek <micekc@e...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 6:50pm
Subject: Re: Dana 300 Seals


You can both borrow my shop press and dial indicator & base. It will make a
rebuild easier. You might think about doing a 4:1 at the same time and or
twin stick.

Overall it is not that bad of a job. I installed the 4:1 and a heavy duty
output shaft on mine with no prior experience and it hasn't grenaded yet.

I am at 51st ave & Loop 101

Craig

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Tate" <scott@f...>
To: <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Dana 300 Seals


> Joe,
> if you want to make a weekend of it, and can find the write up,
> I'll go through the rebuild with you. My leaks annoyingly as well.
> And, it drips on my exhaust! Can you say, stinky jeep! Let me know.
> Scott Tate
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:13 PM
> To: Joe-CJ7@J...; az_vjc@YahooGroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Dana 300 Seals
>
>
> I believe ChrisK has a D300 write-up on his web site. I don't know if
> he gets into the seals, etc. but it might be worth checking it out.
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:53 PM
> To: az_vjc@YahooGroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Dana 300 Seals
>
> I am in bad need to replace these seals. What would be some advice to do
> this? Should I just take it to 4-wheelers or something and how hard is
> it to replace or overhaul the transfer case?
>
> And about how much to do it myself compared to having someone else doing
> it?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> jk
>
> Joe Kearney
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96631 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 7:02pm
Subject: RE: RE 3.5" lift question... help!!!


Fred...it is not common to replace them after only a few months.

I've gone 18 months on RE lower bushings that lived with 6" of lift on
trails that I am sure Patrick is not running. And in my case, the
bushings literally ripped apart. While it is possible that Patrick did
not clearly explain what is happening, it doesn't sound like his is
doing what mine did.

As was said before, RE had some bad bushings for a while, and Patrick
may have some of those....seen it more than once where a vendor gets bad
parts.....Currie and their steering.....Warn and their 4 x 4.5" hubs,
etc.

Stu


Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:52 PM
To: Patrick Dicks
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE 3.5" lift question... help!!!

Assuming that you mean the lower control arms (though it could happen to

the uppers also), then the rubber bushings are more than likely worn out

and will need replacing.. I believe Stu has a writeup on his site
regarding the bushing replacement.
Pretty common to have to replace those rubber bushings with the RE arms.


Fred



Patrick Dicks wrote:

>I put a new RE 3.5" lift on my 01 tj. I started to hear some minor
>noise so I decided to check to make sure everything was tight. I
>inspected the control arms and noticed that the bushings (the rubber
>ones that mount to the frame)on three of the control arms are
>shifting to one side. this is causing the control arm to rub against
>the mounting bracket medal to medal.
>
>One of my neighbors has the same lift so we took a look at his and
>one of his rear ones is doing the same thing. My lift is 3 months old
>and his is two months old.
>
>I installed mine myself and his was installed at 4 wheelers. Anyone
>have any idea what the problem could be?? This can't be normal. I am
>pretty sure 4 wheelers will replace the arms but I don't want to have
>the same problem.
>
>
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96632 From: Patrick Dicks <Patandlida@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 7:29pm
Subject: Re: RE 3.5" lift question... help!!!


--It is happening to the lower 2 back ones and 1 of the lower front
control arms. This lift is only 3 months old. Bad batch of bushings
sounds possible. The rubber is in perfect shape, it is just comming
out of the tube.

- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Dicks" <Patandlida@a...> wrote:
> I put a new RE 3.5" lift on my 01 tj. I started to hear some minor
> noise so I decided to check to make sure everything was tight. I
> inspected the control arms and noticed that the bushings (the
rubber
> ones that mount to the frame)on three of the control arms are
> shifting to one side. this is causing the control arm to rub
against
> the mounting bracket medal to medal.
>
> One of my neighbors has the same lift so we took a look at his and
> one of his rear ones is doing the same thing. My lift is 3 months
old
> and his is two months old.
>
> I installed mine myself and his was installed at 4 wheelers. Anyone
> have any idea what the problem could be?? This can't be normal. I
am
> pretty sure 4 wheelers will replace the arms but I don't want to
have
> the same problem.


96633 From: Shawcroft <shawcroft@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 7:43pm
Subject: Fw: Re: [TR] Trip Report - Axle Alley


You forgot that the tuna comes only in non-biodegradable Styrofoam
containers, and you were smoking a cigarette in public,since that seems to
be the latest pure evil
Tim
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To: <dzrtoffroad@a...>; <y2k-xj@c...>; <AZ_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:27 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] Trip Report - Axle Alley


> Don't forget that you did all of that while wearing a real mink lined
> alligator jacket, snacking on non-dolphin friendly tuna ,in your gas
> guzzling , taliban friendly full-size SUV ......... That WAS funny .
>
> AAAHHHH , everything's back to normal.......
> Purple .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dzrtoffroad@a... [mailto:dzrtoffroad@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:31 PM
> To: y2k-xj@c...; AZ_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] Trip Report - Axle Alley
>
>
> In a message dated 1/4/04 10:28:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> y2k-xj@c... writes:
>
>
> > OK well lets see Today I had to stack a rock on top of my doritos
bag,lite
> > a fire cuz I was cold,found an oil leak on my jeep,Decided to run a
> straight
> > exaust whitch is really loud, made gass fumes when I filled the tank,
> > acidently ran over a red tail squirell, Peeled out in the dirt and made
a
> lot of
> > dust, and took a piss whitch eroded some earth. Ok Bring on the *****in.
>
> LOL
> you made my day man..........
> that was some funnayyyyy ****
> the best one was the rock on the dorito bag
> LMFAO
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96634 From: <urbancrawler@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 7:45pm
Subject: Miners double whammy Just maybe/AA


I ran Miners last year and when I got to the double bump it was not filled with rock but I took the line to the left over the big boulder but to those who are observent would have noticed that the whammys were cracking on there own. So do you think Mother nature could have had something to do with it. And to the rig who posted they blew up the whammy in a brreeze wow what a jeeper. I also have ran it way back and yes even broke and left my rig at then end of graveyard or whatever you want to call it. Or do you think it could be from people that keep spinning tires on the lower ledge that made it crack ummmmm we shall never know. I joined 4wheeling to have fun, meet people, be responsable, and try to follow the rules. I buy my permits etc, cleanups but I get tired of the *****ing, blaming, name calling etc give it a rest and yes my name is

Richard Logan the Urbancrawler 92 YJ


96635 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 7:56pm
Subject: Need Help with Engine Codes


Today heading to work I got the check engine light and the engine
started hesitating and backfiring. I got the codes, 12 and 24.

12 - Direct battery input to PCM was disconnected within the last 50
Key-on cycles.

24 - Throttle position sensor input above or below acceptable
voltage. TPS signal does not correlate to MAP sensor.

I thought at first it might be the O2 sensors again, but that apperas
to be code 21.

Would just changing the MAP sensor fix this problem (code 24)?

ANy help would be greatly appreciated. Please call me at home at 623-
975-6072 or during the day 623-340-0885, I cannot check my emails
from my new job during the day so please call, I need to get the
parts tomorrow and fix if possible.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Chris
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96636 From: <rokkcrawler@a...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 3:21pm
Subject: Re: Dana 300 Seals


4WD Hardware sells the entire kit for like $20, every seal and gasket you
need....1-800-333-5535


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96637 From: Mike H. <hiett710@y...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 8:34pm
Subject: Suggestion!


Lets change all the trips to Cleanups.
If the trip leader picks up even 1 piece of
trash then he/she has cleaned up.
Then when the greenies look over our site they will leave us alone
because all they will see is Cleanups and cleanup reports.

Ooh yeah and we are still waiting for a representative of the club to
call
602 256 5577
and make a request for Sheriffs Chain Gang to go clean up Butcher
Jones and surrounding area.

HINT HINT!

Mike H.


96638 From: purple <purp8@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 9:16pm
Subject: RE: Suggestion!Clean ups/trips


Calling the trips 'clean ups' sounds like a good idea to me .Great idea Mike
! Since people seem to only hear what they want to hear , the Greens would
have quite a problem making this sound like a bad thing . The more I think
about it , the better it sounds.... .....
Purple .

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike H. [mailto:hiett710@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Suggestion!


Lets change all the trips to Cleanups.
If the trip leader picks up even 1 piece of
trash then he/she has cleaned up.
Then when the greenies look over our site they will leave us alone
because all they will see is Cleanups and cleanup reports.

Ooh yeah and we are still waiting for a representative of the club to
call
602 256 5577
and make a request for Sheriffs Chain Gang to go clean up Butcher
Jones and surrounding area.

HINT HINT!

Mike H.





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96639 From: Richard Conner <richardconner@q...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 9:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: RE 3.5" lift question... help!!!


I had the same problem a month after I installed my RE7003, 3.5" lift
myself on my 02 TJ. I bought the kit from 4 wheelers supply.
So I took my newly lifted truck to 4 wheelers, they called RE for me and
then proceeded to replace the bushing for the cost of the bushing.
Within a week It pushed to the side again. This time when I took it to
4wheelers they replaced the arm for free(or RE paid for it). They guys
at 4 wheelers were great !!!. that was 10K miles ago and there have been
no more problems.

They said there were some bad bushings and I think the loose bushing
wore the original arm.

1 problem with the 4 wheelers shop: One the the bolts to the arm 4
wheelers replaced came out 2 days later Luckily I caught it before it
completely let go.. Let them help you but better check the torque soon
after they finish, Just to be sure. That's what I was doing when I found
the loose bolt.

Rick Conner



Patrick Dicks wrote:

>--It is happening to the lower 2 back ones and 1 of the lower front
>control arms. This lift is only 3 months old. Bad batch of bushings
>sounds possible. The rubber is in perfect shape, it is just comming
>out of the tube.
>
>- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Dicks" <Patandlida@a...> wrote:
>
>
>>I put a new RE 3.5" lift on my 01 tj. I started to hear some minor
>>noise so I decided to check to make sure everything was tight. I
>>inspected the control arms and noticed that the bushings (the
>>
>>
>rubber
>
>
>>ones that mount to the frame)on three of the control arms are
>>shifting to one side. this is causing the control arm to rub
>>
>>
>against
>
>
>>the mounting bracket medal to medal.
>>
>>One of my neighbors has the same lift so we took a look at his and
>>one of his rear ones is doing the same thing. My lift is 3 months
>>
>>
>old
>
>
>>and his is two months old.
>>
>>I installed mine myself and his was installed at 4 wheelers. Anyone
>>have any idea what the problem could be?? This can't be normal. I
>>
>>
>am
>
>
>>pretty sure 4 wheelers will replace the arms but I don't want to
>>
>>
>have
>
>
>>the same problem.
>>
>>
>
>
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96640 From: bruce <jeep4offrd2@c...>
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 11:12pm
Subject: Re: New Pics DONT OPEN THIS GUYS SITE


This is a pop up freak show. Dont open. This guy needs to be banned from
this site.

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Subject: [az_vjc] New Pics


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96641 From: Patrick Dicks <Patandlida@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 3:55am
Subject: Re: RE 3.5" lift question... help!!!


Thanks, I will see them today.

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Conner" <richardconner@q...>
wrote:
> I had the same problem a month after I installed my RE7003, 3.5"
lift
> myself on my 02 TJ. I bought the kit from 4 wheelers supply.
> So I took my newly lifted truck to 4 wheelers, they called RE for
me and
> then proceeded to replace the bushing for the cost of the bushing.
> Within a week It pushed to the side again. This time when I took it
to
> 4wheelers they replaced the arm for free(or RE paid for it). They
guys
> at 4 wheelers were great !!!. that was 10K miles ago and there have
been
> no more problems.
>
> They said there were some bad bushings and I think the loose
bushing
> wore the original arm.
>
> 1 problem with the 4 wheelers shop: One the the bolts to the arm 4
> wheelers replaced came out 2 days later Luckily I caught it before
it
> completely let go.. Let them help you but better check the torque
soon
> after they finish, Just to be sure. That's what I was doing when I
found
> the loose bolt.
>
> Rick Conner
>
>
>
> Patrick Dicks wrote:
>
> >--It is happening to the lower 2 back ones and 1 of the lower
front
> >control arms. This lift is only 3 months old. Bad batch of
bushings
> >sounds possible. The rubber is in perfect shape, it is just
comming
> >out of the tube.
> >
> >- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Dicks" <Patandlida@a...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I put a new RE 3.5" lift on my 01 tj. I started to hear some
minor
> >>noise so I decided to check to make sure everything was tight. I
> >>inspected the control arms and noticed that the bushings (the
> >>
> >>
> >rubber
> >
> >
> >>ones that mount to the frame)on three of the control arms are
> >>shifting to one side. this is causing the control arm to rub
> >>
> >>
> >against
> >
> >
> >>the mounting bracket medal to medal.
> >>
> >>One of my neighbors has the same lift so we took a look at his
and
> >>one of his rear ones is doing the same thing. My lift is 3 months
> >>
> >>
> >old
> >
> >
> >>and his is two months old.
> >>
> >>I installed mine myself and his was installed at 4 wheelers.
Anyone
> >>have any idea what the problem could be?? This can't be normal. I
> >>
> >>
> >am
> >
> >
> >>pretty sure 4 wheelers will replace the arms but I don't want to
> >>
> >>
> >have
> >
> >
> >>the same problem.
> >>
> >>
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96642 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 6:45am
Subject: Just an observation


I posted the same question about the Dana 300 to the group via email (yahoo
Groups) and the BBS.
I am not saying one is better then the other at all.

ChrisK responded to both Good deal!

I did get far more responses from the yahoo group then the BBS.

I like the BBS format and I think Joe West has done a GREAT job!

Possible reasons why I got more replies from the yahoo email.
-Maybe I got more responses from yahoo because more people are on that then
the BBS at the current time.
-Maybe I got more responses in yahoo because of where I posted it in the
BBS.
-Maybe people only look at the BBS posts that pertain to them but this point
was brought up before about where to post things either in a CJ or TJ or
wherever and Stu and others said it would be better to have it all together
because just because Stu drives a TJ (nice one at that) he may and usually
does have insight to problems and resolutions or at least advice on CJ's and
other types of Jeeps.

I am just trying to open up some dialog here to better both formats or see
what the group thinks.

I am not trying to start a huge flaming thread here it is just my
observation when I needed advice.

I will continue to use both as I feel both have something to offer.

OK Flame suit on!

Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...


96643 From: CANT W8 <rlpii@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 7:16am
Subject: Re: Just an observation


Joe,
Some very good points, and I thought that I would add my 2 cents:
I have been with the AZVJC for about 4 years now, and I have tried
joining up with some of the other groups that have the BBS format.
Personally, I have found the Yahoo group to be much more user
friendly, as I am NOT real computer literate. For a long time I
signed up for individual emails, but when ever the group would go off
on a subject (like rock stacking), I would just get way too many
emails, so now I just go to the message board and in a couple of mins.
I can scan list of topics, open the ones I want, and move on.

When I have posted on the Yahoo group, I have gotten some really good
responses - most of the time, but since I drive a 74 CJ-5 . . . well,
you get the picture ).

Anyway, this forum is easy for any old f*@t like me to use and
understand, and maybe there are a lot of members out there that feel
the same way. Or, maybe it will just take some time for everyone to
switch over to the BBS format.

Again, just my 2 cents worth . . . . .
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...> wrote:
> I posted the same question about the Dana 300 to the group via email
(yahoo
> Groups) and the BBS.
> I am not saying one is better then the other at all.
>
> ChrisK responded to both Good deal!
>
> I did get far more responses from the yahoo group then the BBS.
>
> I like the BBS format and I think Joe West has done a GREAT job!
>
> Possible reasons why I got more replies from the yahoo email.
> -Maybe I got more responses from yahoo because more people are on
that then
> the BBS at the current time.
> -Maybe I got more responses in yahoo because of where I posted it in the
> BBS.
> -Maybe people only look at the BBS posts that pertain to them but
this point
> was brought up before about where to post things either in a CJ or TJ or
> wherever and Stu and others said it would be better to have it all
together
> because just because Stu drives a TJ (nice one at that) he may and
usually
> does have insight to problems and resolutions or at least advice on
CJ's and
> other types of Jeeps.
>
> I am just trying to open up some dialog here to better both formats
or see
> what the group thinks.
>
> I am not trying to start a huge flaming thread here it is just my
> observation when I needed advice.
>
> I will continue to use both as I feel both have something to offer.
>
> OK Flame suit on!
>
> Joe Kearney
> Joe-CJ7@J...


96644 From: Janice Allison <jallison@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 8:00am
Subject: Re: Re: Just an observation


I'm with you, Bob. This format is very user friendly, provides "immediate"
response for those who want it, and still has the option of scanning the
message board if you don't want to be inundated with e-mails. I also think
the person/people who put together the AZVJC website did an excellent
job. It's easy to use, and the trip posting section cannot be beat. Best
of all, if I wanted to know what's going on with the AZVJC I clicked on one
bookmark and all the info was at hand. Now, because of one well-known
person's unilateral decision, I've got to waste time looking at two sites
to see if I've got all the news? Ugh! My guess is one site or the other
will probably fade away, but in the meantime, I think it's a pain in the
butt.

Jan
98TJ

At 03:16 PM 1/7/04 +0000, CANT W8 wrote:
>Joe,
>Some very good points, and I thought that I would add my 2 cents:
>I have been with the AZVJC for about 4 years now, and I have tried
>joining up with some of the other groups that have the BBS format.
>Personally, I have found the Yahoo group to be much more user
>friendly, as I am NOT real computer literate. For a long time I
>signed up for individual emails, but when ever the group would go off
>on a subject (like rock stacking), I would just get way too many
>emails, so now I just go to the message board and in a couple of mins.
>I can scan list of topics, open the ones I want, and move on.
>
>When I have posted on the Yahoo group, I have gotten some really good
>responses - most of the time, but since I drive a 74 CJ-5 . . . well,
>you get the picture ).
>
>Anyway, this forum is easy for any old f*@t like me to use and
>understand, and maybe there are a lot of members out there that feel
>the same way. Or, maybe it will just take some time for everyone to
>switch over to the BBS format.
>
>Again, just my 2 cents worth . . . . .
>Bob
>74 CJ-5
>CANT W8
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...> wrote:
> > I posted the same question about the Dana 300 to the group via email
>(yahoo
> > Groups) and the BBS.
> > I am not saying one is better then the other at all.
> >
> > ChrisK responded to both Good deal!
> >
> > I did get far more responses from the yahoo group then the BBS.
> >
> > I like the BBS format and I think Joe West has done a GREAT job!
> >
> > Possible reasons why I got more replies from the yahoo email.
> > -Maybe I got more responses from yahoo because more people are on
>that then
> > the BBS at the current time.
> > -Maybe I got more responses in yahoo because of where I posted it in the
> > BBS.
> > -Maybe people only look at the BBS posts that pertain to them but
>this point
> > was brought up before about where to post things either in a CJ or TJ or
> > wherever and Stu and others said it would be better to have it all
>together
> > because just because Stu drives a TJ (nice one at that) he may and
>usually
> > does have insight to problems and resolutions or at least advice on
>CJ's and
> > other types of Jeeps.
> >
> > I am just trying to open up some dialog here to better both formats
>or see
> > what the group thinks.
> >
> > I am not trying to start a huge flaming thread here it is just my
> > observation when I needed advice.
> >
> > I will continue to use both as I feel both have something to offer.
> >
> > OK Flame suit on!
> >
> > Joe Kearney
> > Joe-CJ7@J...
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


96645 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 9:03am
Subject: Re: Re: Just an observation


Don't sugar coat it Janice, tell us how you really feel. :-)

I hope that the Yahoo Group survives. And, I agree on the AZVJC web
site. It is excellent, but I miss the classified section. :-(

Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8

Janice Allison wrote:

> I'm with you, Bob. This format is very user friendly, provides
> "immediate" response for those who want it, and still has the option
> of scanning the message board if you don't want to be inundated with
> e-mails. I also think the person/people who put together the AZVJC
> website did an excellent job. It's easy to use, and the trip posting
> section cannot be beat. Best of all, if I wanted to know what's going
> on with the AZVJC I clicked on one bookmark and all the info was at
> hand. Now, because of one well-known person's unilateral decision,
> I've got to waste time looking at two sites to see if I've got all the
> news? Ugh! My guess is one site or the other will probably fade
> away, but in the meantime, I think it's a pain in the butt.
>
> Jan
> 98TJ
>
> At 03:16 PM 1/7/04 +0000, CANT W8 wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>> Some very good points, and I thought that I would add my 2 cents:
>> I have been with the AZVJC for about 4 years now, and I have tried
>> joining up with some of the other groups that have the BBS format.
>> Personally, I have found the Yahoo group to be much more user
>> friendly, as I am NOT real computer literate. For a long time I
>> signed up for individual emails, but when ever the group would go off
>> on a subject (like rock stacking), I would just get way too many
>> emails, so now I just go to the message board and in a couple of mins.
>> I can scan list of topics, open the ones I want, and move on.
>>
>> When I have posted on the Yahoo group, I have gotten some really good
>> responses - most of the time, but since I drive a 74 CJ-5 . . . well,
>> you get the picture ).
>>
>> Anyway, this forum is easy for any old f*@t like me to use and
>> understand, and maybe there are a lot of members out there that feel
>> the same way. Or, maybe it will just take some time for everyone to
>> switch over to the BBS format.
>>
>> Again, just my 2 cents worth . . . . .
>> Bob
>> 74 CJ-5
>> CANT W8
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...> wrote:
>> > I posted the same question about the Dana 300 to the group via email
>> (yahoo
>> > Groups) and the BBS.
>> > I am not saying one is better then the other at all.
>> >
>> > ChrisK responded to both Good deal!
>> >
>> > I did get far more responses from the yahoo group then the BBS.
>> >
>> > I like the BBS format and I think Joe West has done a GREAT job!
>> >
>> > Possible reasons why I got more replies from the yahoo email.
>> > -Maybe I got more responses from yahoo because more people are on
>> that then
>> > the BBS at the current time.
>> > -Maybe I got more responses in yahoo because of where I posted it
>> in the
>> > BBS.
>> > -Maybe people only look at the BBS posts that pertain to them but
>> this point
>> > was brought up before about where to post things either in a CJ or
>> TJ or
>> > wherever and Stu and others said it would be better to have it all
>> together
>> > because just because Stu drives a TJ (nice one at that) he may and
>> usually
>> > does have insight to problems and resolutions or at least advice on
>> CJ's and
>> > other types of Jeeps.
>> >
>> > I am just trying to open up some dialog here to better both formats
>> or see
>> > what the group thinks.
>> >
>> > I am not trying to start a huge flaming thread here it is just my
>> > observation when I needed advice.
>> >
>> > I will continue to use both as I feel both have something to offer.
>> >
>> > OK Flame suit on!
>> >
>> > Joe Kearney
>> > Joe-CJ7@J...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>> az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>


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96646 From: asumtbkr <nunmakr@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 9:13am
Subject: Trailer Wiring Harness


Any information on the difficulty of installing a trailer wiring
harness on a 1997 Wrangler with a soft top? I've heard that it may
just a plug and run type of install...is this true?

Also, any good places to get an inexpensive one?

Thanks,
Scott


96647 From: CANT W8 <rlpii@q...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 9:19am
Subject: Re: Trailer Wiring Harness


Scott,
I've wired my vehicles to be compatible with the Uhaul plugs. I
bought my magnetic towing lights from them, as they were the least
expensive I could find, and the plug was compatible with with both my
tow vehicles. And, you can get everything you need to do it at Uhaul.
HTH,
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "asumtbkr" <nunmakr@h...> wrote:
> Any information on the difficulty of installing a trailer wiring
> harness on a 1997 Wrangler with a soft top? I've heard that it may
> just a plug and run type of install...is this true?
>
> Also, any good places to get an inexpensive one?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott


96648 From: robert_j_rogers2 <robert.rogers@h...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 10:16am
Subject: Re: Suggestion!


Tried doing that for the Table Mesa clean-up but got bogged down at
the Sheriffs office. Finally gave up!

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Mike H." <hiett710@y...> wrote:
> Lets change all the trips to Cleanups.
> If the trip leader picks up even 1 piece of
> trash then he/she has cleaned up.
> Then when the greenies look over our site they will leave us alone
> because all they will see is Cleanups and cleanup reports.
>
> Ooh yeah and we are still waiting for a representative of the club
to
> call
> 602 256 5577
> and make a request for Sheriffs Chain Gang to go clean up Butcher
> Jones and surrounding area.
>
> HINT HINT!
>
> Mike H.


96649 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 10:33am
Subject: RE: Re: Just an observation


Hi Jan,

Gosh... I guess I should be flattered.... well known eh?
Stu Olson is well known... I think I'm in the noise compared to him.

Regardless, I hope you really don't feel you must go to the bbs site. I really think the data on the bbs is a subset of what is coming to the yahoo-groups account, so I doubt you are missing anything by skipping the bbs (well... okay... you'll miss the sandbox, but not much else <grin>).

I'd highly recommend you vote no on the poll if you feel the bbs is a unilateral decision which is nothing more than an inconvenience. You will likely not have an easier time to kill the idea than right now while it is up for a vote.

Kind Regards,

Joe


Joe F. West
Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
Blackberry PIN 2005DD8


-----Original Message-----
From: Janice Allison [mailto:jallison@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:01 AM
To: CANT W8; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Just an observation


I'm with you, Bob. This format is very user friendly, provides "immediate"
response for those who want it, and still has the option of scanning the
message board if you don't want to be inundated with e-mails. I also think
the person/people who put together the AZVJC website did an excellent
job. It's easy to use, and the trip posting section cannot be beat. Best
of all, if I wanted to know what's going on with the AZVJC I clicked on one
bookmark and all the info was at hand. Now, because of one well-known
person's unilateral decision, I've got to waste time looking at two sites
to see if I've got all the news? Ugh! My guess is one site or the other
will probably fade away, but in the meantime, I think it's a pain in the
butt.

Jan
98TJ

At 03:16 PM 1/7/04 +0000, CANT W8 wrote:
>Joe,
>Some very good points, and I thought that I would add my 2 cents:
>I have been with the AZVJC for about 4 years now, and I have tried
>joining up with some of the other groups that have the BBS format.
>Personally, I have found the Yahoo group to be much more user
>friendly, as I am NOT real computer literate. For a long time I
>signed up for individual emails, but when ever the group would go off
>on a subject (like rock stacking), I would just get way too many
>emails, so now I just go to the message board and in a couple of mins.
>I can scan list of topics, open the ones I want, and move on.
>
>When I have posted on the Yahoo group, I have gotten some really good
>responses - most of the time, but since I drive a 74 CJ-5 . . . well,
>you get the picture ).
>
>Anyway, this forum is easy for any old f*@t like me to use and
>understand, and maybe there are a lot of members out there that feel
>the same way. Or, maybe it will just take some time for everyone to
>switch over to the BBS format.
>
>Again, just my 2 cents worth . . . . .
>Bob
>74 CJ-5
>CANT W8
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...> wrote:
> > I posted the same question about the Dana 300 to the group via email
>(yahoo
> > Groups) and the BBS.
> > I am not saying one is better then the other at all.
> >
> > ChrisK responded to both Good deal!
> >
> > I did get far more responses from the yahoo group then the BBS.
> >
> > I like the BBS format and I think Joe West has done a GREAT job!
> >
> > Possible reasons why I got more replies from the yahoo email.
> > -Maybe I got more responses from yahoo because more people are on
>that then
> > the BBS at the current time.
> > -Maybe I got more responses in yahoo because of where I posted it in the
> > BBS.
> > -Maybe people only look at the BBS posts that pertain to them but
>this point
> > was brought up before about where to post things either in a CJ or TJ or
> > wherever and Stu and others said it would be better to have it all
>together
> > because just because Stu drives a TJ (nice one at that) he may and
>usually
> > does have insight to problems and resolutions or at least advice on
>CJ's and
> > other types of Jeeps.
> >
> > I am just trying to open up some dialog here to better both formats
>or see
> > what the group thinks.
> >
> > I am not trying to start a huge flaming thread here it is just my
> > observation when I needed advice.
> >
> > I will continue to use both as I feel both have something to offer.
> >
> > OK Flame suit on!
> >
> > Joe Kearney
> > Joe-CJ7@J...
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




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96650 From: jeepkad1 <jeepkad1@y...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 11:08am
Subject: Bisbee Area Trails?


Anyone have any information on any jeep trails in the Bisbee area?
Thanks, azrubyman


96651 From: y2k-xj <y2k-xj@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 11:36am
Subject: OT:WANTED DOG CRATE


im looking for a dog crate, anyone has one available please email me @ y2k-xj@c...

Rob B


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96652 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 11:56am
Subject: [TR] Box Canyon - Monday, January 12, 2004


Hello All,James Rogers is leading a Box Canyon trail run on Monday, January 12, 2004.<br><br>When: 8:00 am or 8:30 am
Where: 8:00 at the Gold Canyon Texaco, 8:30 at the air down spot across the railroad tracks
Rating: 3.0
Length: ???
CB Channel: 4, FRS 4

UP Box Canyon and then on to Martinez Cabins



http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1151
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,

- The AzVJC Website


96653 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 0:01pm
Subject: RE: [TR] Box Canyon - Monday, January 12, 2004


I thought that Texaco was shut down?

Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...


-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:56 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Box Canyon - Monday, January 12, 2004

Hello All,James Rogers is leading a Box Canyon trail run on Monday, January
12, 2004.<br><br>When: 8:00 am or 8:30 am
Where: 8:00 at the Gold Canyon Texaco, 8:30 at the air down spot across the
railroad tracks
Rating: 3.0
Length: ???
CB Channel: 4, FRS 4

UP Box Canyon and then on to Martinez Cabins



http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1151
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,

- The AzVJC Website





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