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96275 From: Craig Micek <micekc@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:32pm
Subject: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready to pull the trigger...


Thanks for stepping up and doing this Joe.

It is long overdue!

Craig


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@d...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:40 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm
ready to pull the trigger...


> Hi gang,
>
> I'd like a little feedback here concerning running an AZVJC Bulletin
> Board in parallel with our current website. Please pay close attention
> to what I am saying. I don't believe that our website should be
> replaced. just supplemented with a BBS style discussion board for those
> in the Arizona Virtual Jeep Club who wish to participate in such a
> thing.
>
> Here's where things stand.
>
> Over the past few months, I have setup a Cox business account and two
> servers. I now have php and mysql running on one of the servers which
> will be used to run the BBS. I have purchased a license of Vbulletin
> (the same BBS software used to run jeepsunlimited.com) and am now ready
> to install the software and get the site up and running. I have
> registered the domain virtualjeepclub.com for the purposes of one day
> instituting a BBS for the club.
>
> Here's what I need from the club..
>
> I'd like some feedback regarding whether or not I should proceed with
> the install.
>
> One final note. Mike Chatfield has done a TON of work on our current
> webpage and trip notification system. the BBS WILL NOT replace this
> system. but rather, will supplement the system IF AND ONLY IF there
> seems to be a desire to implement a BBS. If not. I will be creating a
> Porsche club BBS and will use the Vbulletin license I purchased for that
> BBS.
>
> Okay. let's have it. comments, concerns, good idea, bad idea.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
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96276 From: Mike Reyes <MoneyMike@c...>
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:39pm
Subject: Parts needed!!!!! ASAP!!!


I am at the bottem of and barrel and I am low on cash! But I am
about to loose the jeep due to emissions! Does anybody have or know
where I can get my hands on emissions parts for a 1977 258 engine
off a CJ-5??? I need almost everything for emissions! I only have
the cat and charcole canister! I need these parts and brackets asap
I'll have my jeep until DEC. 31 then I won't be able to drive it
anymore unless I get these parts so that I can get my tags! So
please if anybody has info on parts and where I can get my hands on
them it'll be great!!! thanks
Mike Reyes
77 CJ-5


96277 From: Mitch Woodward <bigwood@c...>
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:59pm
Subject: Re: Parts needed!!!!! ASAP!!!


Mike,

There is a one time emissions exemption that can get you thru this year if
it has not been done before. This is strictly a one shot deal, and if it's
already been done (by you or any previous owner) you're left in the same
perdiciment as now. If it's not your daily driver, have you considered
getting a PO box in Pinal County to register the jeep?

Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Reyes" <MoneyMike@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:39 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Parts needed!!!!! ASAP!!!


> I am at the bottem of and barrel and I am low on cash! But I am
> about to loose the jeep due to emissions! Does anybody have or know
> where I can get my hands on emissions parts for a 1977 258 engine
> off a CJ-5??? I need almost everything for emissions! I only have
> the cat and charcole canister! I need these parts and brackets asap
> I'll have my jeep until DEC. 31 then I won't be able to drive it
> anymore unless I get these parts so that I can get my tags! So
> please if anybody has info on parts and where I can get my hands on
> them it'll be great!!! thanks
> Mike Reyes
> 77 CJ-5
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>


96278 From: Rob <wingnutskates@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:31am
Subject: Re: slip yoke recomendation


the RE cut and tap SYE is the cheapest you can buy, its a pretty
good SYE and costs about $100. Its not too hard to install either.
Then the CV driveshaft will cost you another $200. I had my 4.5"
lift on with only a 1" t-case drop and I didnt have vibes. I put my
SYE on a couple months later. Some people have done motormount lifts
and that has cured the vibrations. The SYE is the best way to do it,
but there are cheaper options... they just might not fix the
problem. -Rob


--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Marcus" <3timejeepin@c...>
wrote:
> Ok guys i have know I need one so now the question is who do I use
and
> where do I get it at?? I have put my 4 inch lift on and have
vibes, I am
> not into rock crawling really just wana go screw around on some
trails
> and have a good time, so what would you all recommend?
>
> Eric Marcus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


96279 From: rolled1000 <rolled1@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:11am
Subject: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready...


Ok I'll ask... Whats bbs, JU, and POR stand for?
Terry


--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <khaw@n...> wrote:
> That sounds good to me. I just didn't want it to turn into another JU or
> POR type group.
> Keith
>
>
>
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96280 From: Mark <fordlover49@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 5:43am
Subject: Re: slip yoke recomendation


Check with Jason Laliberty at www.4x4groupbuy.com he usually has some
good deals and great service

-Mark B.

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Marcus" <3timejeepin@c...> wrote:
> Ok guys i have know I need one so now the question is who do I use
and
> where do I get it at?? I have put my 4 inch lift on and have vibes,
I am
> not into rock crawling really just wana go screw around on some
trails
> and have a good time, so what would you all recommend?
>
> Eric Marcus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


96281 From: leonardpennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 5:53am
Subject: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready to pull the


1. Lack of digest mode.
2. Lack of individual email mode.
3. Lack of ability to see which threads are active without actually
going into them.
4. Reguirement to use a web browser to read and respond to threads.
Some of us log into our machines using telnet sessions from other
places to check email. This allows us to access our system on low
bandwidth connections from anywhere in the world. Ever try to run a
browser with a 9600 baud connection from Bosnia? I have. With telnet
I can still read my email using Pine.
5. The BBS format like JU is just plain noisy. The cute little icons
and the way the format is layed out takes a lot of room on the screen
but really doesn't provide any benefit. People start embedding
pictures and everything in the posts that are usually not value added
and are a total waste of bandwidth. (Side note: I think HTML email
should be baned for the same reason.)

I could probally come up with more reasons but you get the idea. I
won't be able to stop the BBS juggernut but Joe asked for opinions and
I gave mine. I have been against the BBS format evertime it was
brought up. I will probally not bother with it once it is in place as
I find it to be too damn much trouble; however, I will take a look at
it before I give up on VJC. I was active on NAXJA until they switched
to BBS. You won't find me on there at all now because it is just too
much trouble to figure out what I want to read. I have never been
active on JU I don't like the BBS format.

I admit that some of the reasons that I hate BBS format is the same
reason that others like it. I just haven't seen a BBS format I like.


--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> How do they suck? More info please....
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonard K. Pennock [mailto:leonardpennock@c...]
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:35 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC
> BBS.... I'm ready to pull the trigger...
>
> I think you should use the license for the Porshe board. The longer VJC
>
> waits to switch to BBS style the better. BBS format sucks.


96282 From: leonardpennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 5:55am
Subject: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready...


Not on cox you won't. You will get the same IP everytime until you
change your NIC.

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Mmmm, takes me *maybe* 15 seconds to get another IP address.
> - Open up a command window
> - Type IPConfig /release
> - Type IPConfig /renew
>
> Bingo, new IP address.
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
> JamesT wrote:
>
> >Both of you are incorrect in your thinking. Right now anyone, and I
> >mean anyone (spammers, out of state, out of country, ...) can join
> >this group. With a BBS style program not only can users be blocked
> >but IP addresses also. This means, unless the spammers or "trash
> >maker" gets another IP connection to reach us from they will be
> >blocked permanently. The chances of them getting another IP address
> >are less likely than someone just creating another Yahoo id.
> >
> >--James
> >
> >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, NVRSTUKXJ@a... wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I have to agree without the "outsiders" thing.....I would hate to
> >>
> >>
> >see some of
> >
> >
> >>the crap thats on JU polluting our site.....
> >>
> >>T.J. Gill
> >>75 CJ5 w/Stuff
> >>90 XJ w/Stuff Too
> >>
> >>
> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


96283 From: leonardpennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:01am
Subject: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready to pull the


The seach speed differnece is more than likely do to hardware than the
format. Yahoogroups hosts a lot more groups than JU.

You may be correct about gaining more than you loose or you may be
wrong. Personally I would think the gain:loss ration would be closer
to 1:1 or 1:2. I believe there are less people that haven't joined
because we don't have a BBS format than would quit because we switch.
Of course the vast majority couldn't care less either way (as far as
joining the group).

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "JamesT" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> Not sure what "sucks" about BBS format. The only problem I have ever
> had with a BBS is with JU's search "feature", other than that
> anything is better than this. Oh yeah, have you used the search on
> here, although you can acsess it, unlike JU's most of the time, it
> takes forever.
> We will never be able to please everyone. I would bet for every two
> individuals that is lost because of going to BBS we will gain three.
> Just a prediction.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Leonard K. Pennock"
> <leonardpennock@c...> wrote:
> > I think you should use the license for the Porshe board. The
> longer VJC
> > waits to switch to BBS style the better. BBS format sucks.
> >
> >


96284 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:13am
Subject: RE: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready to pull the trigger...


How are you going to supplement it? It looks like this will split the group.
Will messages I send to yahoo group go to virtualjeepclub.com and/or vise
versa?

You really should see where Mike is on his project. I know that it was going
to incorportate a BBS and a yahoo style forum. Plus it would be at
azvjc.org.

You have a nay vote from me.


Joey K
http://www.desertjeep.com
93YJ


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@d...]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:40 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm
ready to pull the trigger...

Hi gang,

I'd like a little feedback here concerning running an AZVJC Bulletin Board
in parallel with our current website. Please pay close attention to what I
am saying. I don't believe that our website should be replaced. just
supplemented with a BBS style discussion board for those in the Arizona
Virtual Jeep Club who wish to participate in such a thing.

Here's where things stand.

Over the past few months, I have setup a Cox business account and two
servers. I now have php and mysql running on one of the servers which will
be used to run the BBS. I have purchased a license of Vbulletin (the same
BBS software used to run jeepsunlimited.com) and am now ready to install the
software and get the site up and running. I have registered the domain
virtualjeepclub.com for the purposes of one day instituting a BBS for the
club.

Here's what I need from the club..

I'd like some feedback regarding whether or not I should proceed with the
install.

One final note. Mike Chatfield has done a TON of work on our current webpage
and trip notification system. the BBS WILL NOT replace this system. but
rather, will supplement the system IF AND ONLY IF there seems to be a desire
to implement a BBS. If not. I will be creating a Porsche club BBS and will
use the Vbulletin license I purchased for that BBS.

Okay. let's have it. comments, concerns, good idea, bad idea.

Kind Regards,

Joe West



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96285 From: <bbraastad@u...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:38am
Subject: Alignment problems? after CK sunday


Hey, jeepers had a great time yesterday and I am looking forward to
more.

My alignment was off before the trail but while driving back home on
the washboard road I noticed that I was holding my steering wheel
turned a lot further to the drivers' side to keep going straight.
This did not change when I hit I-17. But after driving it some more
I'm not sure if the alignment is worse or if the washboard road
vibrated my steering wheel further left. I did have my front sway bar
disconnected, for the first time, and I'm thinking that maybe the
track bar has pulled the axle over. Any suggestions or ideas would be
greatly appreciated. THX

Brian Braastad


96286 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:08am
Subject: Re: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready...


Acutally you might be supprised how many places return the same address
when you dump and renew. A lot of DHCP servers check to see if they
have recently assigned a address to the requesting MAC and reuse that
address if they have. They only really dump the address if they need to
reclaim the address.

Fred Wilson wrote:
> Sure hope you Cox subscribers use a really good firewall..
> Most places, other than Cox, have dynamically allocated IP addresses
> and those can be changed simply by dropping the current one and renewing
> (asking for)
> a new one.
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
> leonardpennock wrote:
>
>>Not on cox you won't. You will get the same IP everytime until you
>>change your NIC.
>>
>>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mmmm, takes me *maybe* 15 seconds to get another IP address.
>>>- Open up a command window
>>>- Type IPConfig /release
>>>- Type IPConfig /renew
>>>
>>>Bingo, new IP address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Fred
>>>
>>>
>>>JamesT wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Both of you are incorrect in your thinking. Right now anyone, and I
>>>>mean anyone (spammers, out of state, out of country, ...) can join
>>>>this group. With a BBS style program not only can users be blocked
>>>>but IP addresses also. This means, unless the spammers or "trash
>>>>maker" gets another IP connection to reach us from they will be
>>>>blocked permanently. The chances of them getting another IP address
>>>>are less likely than someone just creating another Yahoo id.
>>>>
>>>>--James
>>>>
>>>>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, NVRSTUKXJ@a... wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have to agree without the "outsiders" thing.....I would hate to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>see some of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the crap thats on JU polluting our site.....
>>>>>
>>>>>T.J. Gill
>>>>>75 CJ5 w/Stuff
>>>>>90 XJ w/Stuff Too
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/
>>>>
>>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>>>az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>>>
>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
>>>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>To visit your group on the web, go to:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/
>>
>>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>> az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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find that they very rarely lose or fail.


96287 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:01am
Subject: Re: Alignment problems? after CK sunday


The track bar didn't pull the axle over when you disco'd the sway bar,
nor did the washbaord "vibrate your steering wheel over more".....

What happened, is that you bent something, plain and simply.
You bent either the tie rod and/or drag link and/or (though less
likely), the track bar.


Best,
Fred


bbraastad@u... wrote:

>Hey, jeepers had a great time yesterday and I am looking forward to
>more.
>
>My alignment was off before the trail but while driving back home on
>the washboard road I noticed that I was holding my steering wheel
>turned a lot further to the drivers' side to keep going straight.
>This did not change when I hit I-17. But after driving it some more
>I'm not sure if the alignment is worse or if the washboard road
>vibrated my steering wheel further left. I did have my front sway bar
>disconnected, for the first time, and I'm thinking that maybe the
>track bar has pulled the axle over. Any suggestions or ideas would be
>greatly appreciated. THX
>
>Brian Braastad
>
>
>
>
>


96288 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:03am
Subject: Re: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready...


Sure hope you Cox subscribers use a really good firewall..
Most places, other than Cox, have dynamically allocated IP addresses
and those can be changed simply by dropping the current one and renewing
(asking for)
a new one.



Fred


leonardpennock wrote:

>Not on cox you won't. You will get the same IP everytime until you
>change your NIC.
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
>
>
>>Mmmm, takes me *maybe* 15 seconds to get another IP address.
>>- Open up a command window
>>- Type IPConfig /release
>>- Type IPConfig /renew
>>
>>Bingo, new IP address.
>>
>>
>>
>>Fred
>>
>>
>>JamesT wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Both of you are incorrect in your thinking. Right now anyone, and I
>>>mean anyone (spammers, out of state, out of country, ...) can join
>>>this group. With a BBS style program not only can users be blocked
>>>but IP addresses also. This means, unless the spammers or "trash
>>>maker" gets another IP connection to reach us from they will be
>>>blocked permanently. The chances of them getting another IP address
>>>are less likely than someone just creating another Yahoo id.
>>>
>>>--James
>>>
>>>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, NVRSTUKXJ@a... wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have to agree without the "outsiders" thing.....I would hate to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>see some of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>the crap thats on JU polluting our site.....
>>>>
>>>>T.J. Gill
>>>>75 CJ5 w/Stuff
>>>>90 XJ w/Stuff Too
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/
>>>
>>>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>>az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>>
>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
>>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>


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96289 From: Keith <khaw@n...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:27am
Subject: RE: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready...


BB's= Bulletin Board's
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96290 From: Brian Luse <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:38am
Subject: Re: Alignment problems? after CK sunday


I can't remember, but do you have a lift? Adjustable tracbars? Trac
bar could be loose, but you would have a lot of slop before the wheel
would change that much. It is easy to recenter your wheel, but won't
necessarily solve the problem if it something else.
Brian

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, bbraastad@u... wrote:
> Hey, jeepers had a great time yesterday and I am looking forward to
> more.
>
> My alignment was off before the trail but while driving back home
on
> the washboard road I noticed that I was holding my steering wheel
> turned a lot further to the drivers' side to keep going straight.
> This did not change when I hit I-17. But after driving it some more
> I'm not sure if the alignment is worse or if the washboard road
> vibrated my steering wheel further left. I did have my front sway
bar
> disconnected, for the first time, and I'm thinking that maybe the
> track bar has pulled the axle over. Any suggestions or ideas would
be
> greatly appreciated. THX
>
> Brian Braastad


96291 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:16am
Subject: Re: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready to pull the


Yup, I agreee with most of this.
One of the big problems with the BBS type systems, is as already
mentioned below,
the "noise", that is all those totally worthless icons, and graphically
sigs and such
that end up taking megs of bandwidth, just to read a silly message.
Some of the boards are getting really, really bad, with all the dump ***
jumping
little figures and stuff.



Fred


leonardpennock wrote:

>1. Lack of digest mode.
>2. Lack of individual email mode.
>3. Lack of ability to see which threads are active without actually
>going into them.
>4. Reguirement to use a web browser to read and respond to threads.
>Some of us log into our machines using telnet sessions from other
>places to check email. This allows us to access our system on low
>bandwidth connections from anywhere in the world. Ever try to run a
>browser with a 9600 baud connection from Bosnia? I have. With telnet
>I can still read my email using Pine.
>5. The BBS format like JU is just plain noisy. The cute little icons
>and the way the format is layed out takes a lot of room on the screen
>but really doesn't provide any benefit. People start embedding
>pictures and everything in the posts that are usually not value added
>and are a total waste of bandwidth. (Side note: I think HTML email
>should be baned for the same reason.)
>
>I could probally come up with more reasons but you get the idea. I
>won't be able to stop the BBS juggernut but Joe asked for opinions and
>I gave mine. I have been against the BBS format evertime it was
>brought up. I will probally not bother with it once it is in place as
>I find it to be too damn much trouble; however, I will take a look at
>it before I give up on VJC. I was active on NAXJA until they switched
>to BBS. You won't find me on there at all now because it is just too
>much trouble to figure out what I want to read. I have never been
>active on JU I don't like the BBS format.
>
>I admit that some of the reasons that I hate BBS format is the same
>reason that others like it. I just haven't seen a BBS format I like.
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
>
>
>>How do they suck? More info please....
>>
>>Stu Olson
>>www.stu-offroad.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Leonard K. Pennock [mailto:leonardpennock@c...]
>>Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:35 PM
>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC
>>BBS.... I'm ready to pull the trigger...
>>
>>I think you should use the license for the Porshe board. The longer VJC
>>
>>waits to switch to BBS style the better. BBS format sucks.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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96292 From: <rokkcrawler@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 2:55am
Subject: Re: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm r...


In a message dated 12/30/2003 6:55:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
leonardpennock@c... writes:
You won't find me on there at all now because it is just too
much trouble to figure out what I want to read. I have never been
active on JU I don't like the BBS format.
I agree 100% and then you have the problem of lots of stuff being on the
wrong thread or not even related to the thread. Call me old fashioned, I like
looking at the emails and deciding for myself what to keep and what to delete.
I belong to several BBS sites, JU included but unless I want specific
information I dont even bother with it anymore


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96293 From: Dave Peterson <gonzodave@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:56am
Subject: Re: Antenna Flags?


We had some made a few years ago for the Tucson Rough Riders. The first
batch looked great but wasn't very durable - they tattered in the wind
really quickly. The second (or was it the third? - I forget...) batch was
stronger and more durable, but the banners were so heavy they either
pulled everyone's antennas over (if the antenna was spring-mounted) or
they flat broke the antenna. I was running a Firestik fiberglass antenna
on a solid mount (no spring at the base) and the banner was so heavy the
antenna eventually shattered at the base.

YMMV, of course.

Dave

--- James Rogers <skijunkie@c...> wrote:
> Has anyone ever considered getting some antenna flags made with the VJC
> logo
> for attachment to CB antennas?
>
> That would be cool.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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96294 From: <rokkcrawler@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 2:59am
Subject: Re: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm r...


In a message dated 12/30/2003 8:34:49 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
khaw@n... writes:
BB's= Bulletin Board's
JU= Jeeps Unlimited
POR= Pirates Of the Rubicon
POR = Pirate Off Road ?????? never heard of the Pirates of the Rubicon but
it might make a good movie with Johnny Depp in a Laura Croft TJ :-)


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96295 From: JamesT <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:01am
Subject: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready...


This might help:
http://7slotgrille.com/forum/
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/

--James

BTW - You can tell which threads are new or have new replies by the
color of the beginning icon.

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "rolled1000" <rolled1@c...> wrote:
> Ok I'll ask... Whats bbs, JU, and POR stand for?
> Terry
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Keith" <khaw@n...> wrote:
> > That sounds good to me. I just didn't want it to turn into
another JU or
> > POR type group.
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
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96296 From: Dave Peterson <gonzodave@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:04am
Subject: Re: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready to pull the


The icons and smileys and other junk never bothered me, but I agree with
the others who don't like having to scan the various forums deciding what
to read and what not to. I find it much simpler to have the messages come
to me, rather than having to go find them. I joined a couple of BBSs a
short time ago, but after the novelty wore off I haven't been back to
them. I'd probably be one of the ones that fades away if VJC goes to a BBS
format. (Not that I've been terribly active anyway, but I enjoy reading
the posts and thinking *maybe* I'll go on one of the runs that gets
posted.)

Now, if there's a way for each person to *choose* whether to go BBS or
stay with the list format....

Dave

--- Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Yup, I agreee with most of this.
> One of the big problems with the BBS type systems, is as already
> mentioned below,
> the "noise", that is all those totally worthless icons, and graphically
> sigs and such
> that end up taking megs of bandwidth, just to read a silly message.
> Some of the boards are getting really, really bad, with all the dump ***
>
> jumping
> little figures and stuff.
>
>
>
> Fred
>
>
> leonardpennock wrote:
>
> >1. Lack of digest mode.
> >2. Lack of individual email mode.
> >3. Lack of ability to see which threads are active without actually
> >going into them.
> >4. Reguirement to use a web browser to read and respond to threads.
> >Some of us log into our machines using telnet sessions from other
> >places to check email. This allows us to access our system on low
> >bandwidth connections from anywhere in the world. Ever try to run a
> >browser with a 9600 baud connection from Bosnia? I have. With telnet
> >I can still read my email using Pine.
> >5. The BBS format like JU is just plain noisy. The cute little icons
> >and the way the format is layed out takes a lot of room on the screen
> >but really doesn't provide any benefit. People start embedding
> >pictures and everything in the posts that are usually not value added
> >and are a total waste of bandwidth. (Side note: I think HTML email
> >should be baned for the same reason.)
> >
> >I could probally come up with more reasons but you get the idea. I
> >won't be able to stop the BBS juggernut but Joe asked for opinions and
> >I gave mine. I have been against the BBS format evertime it was
> >brought up. I will probally not bother with it once it is in place as
> >I find it to be too damn much trouble; however, I will take a look at
> >it before I give up on VJC. I was active on NAXJA until they switched
> >to BBS. You won't find me on there at all now because it is just too
> >much trouble to figure out what I want to read. I have never been
> >active on JU I don't like the BBS format.
> >
> >I admit that some of the reasons that I hate BBS format is the same
> >reason that others like it. I just haven't seen a BBS format I like.
> >
> >
> >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>How do they suck? More info please....
> >>
> >>Stu Olson
> >>www.stu-offroad.com
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Leonard K. Pennock [mailto:leonardpennock@c...]
> >>Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:35 PM
> >>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC
> >>BBS.... I'm ready to pull the trigger...
> >>
> >>I think you should use the license for the Porshe board. The longer
> VJC
> >>
> >>waits to switch to BBS style the better. BBS format sucks.


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96297 From: Sean Zumkeller <ohmboy11@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:15am
Subject: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm ready to pull the


I personaly like the BBS format. I think it is much easier to find a
topic that I want to read about. If I have a tech question I go to
the tech forum, instead of searching through a large amount of
unsorted topics. It is also cleaner because all replies are fit
underneath the orignal thread, instead of having a whole page of
replies like you see here right now.
I say go for it and the people who want to use it will and the others
won't. As for the amount of users, I see local BBS boards with many
more members than this yahoo group just for the fact that it is a BBS
vs a email style board as this one.
As for the bandwith concern, I think 60% of internet users are now on
broadband. Even on a dial up, a BBS does not take much time to load.
The bandwidth problem is only going to be a concern for the person
hosting the BBS, if they dont have a problem with it then why should
any of us?

Just my two cents....

Go for it!!!! I would use it and post much more than I do now.

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Dave Peterson <gonzodave@y...> wrote:
> The icons and smileys and other junk never bothered me, but I agree
with
> the others who don't like having to scan the various forums
deciding what
> to read and what not to. I find it much simpler to have the
messages come
> to me, rather than having to go find them. I joined a couple of
BBSs a
> short time ago, but after the novelty wore off I haven't been back
to
> them. I'd probably be one of the ones that fades away if VJC goes
to a BBS
> format. (Not that I've been terribly active anyway, but I enjoy
reading
> the posts and thinking *maybe* I'll go on one of the runs that gets
> posted.)
>
> Now, if there's a way for each person to *choose* whether to go BBS
or
> stay with the list format....
>
> Dave
>
> --- Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > Yup, I agreee with most of this.
> > One of the big problems with the BBS type systems, is as already
> > mentioned below,
> > the "noise", that is all those totally worthless icons, and
graphically
> > sigs and such
> > that end up taking megs of bandwidth, just to read a silly
message.
> > Some of the boards are getting really, really bad, with all the
dump ***
> >
> > jumping
> > little figures and stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > leonardpennock wrote:
> >
> > >1. Lack of digest mode.
> > >2. Lack of individual email mode.
> > >3. Lack of ability to see which threads are active without
actually
> > >going into them.
> > >4. Reguirement to use a web browser to read and respond to
threads.
> > >Some of us log into our machines using telnet sessions from other
> > >places to check email. This allows us to access our system on
low
> > >bandwidth connections from anywhere in the world. Ever try to
run a
> > >browser with a 9600 baud connection from Bosnia? I have. With
telnet
> > >I can still read my email using Pine.
> > >5. The BBS format like JU is just plain noisy. The cute little
icons
> > >and the way the format is layed out takes a lot of room on the
screen
> > >but really doesn't provide any benefit. People start embedding
> > >pictures and everything in the posts that are usually not value
added
> > >and are a total waste of bandwidth. (Side note: I think HTML
email
> > >should be baned for the same reason.)
> > >
> > >I could probally come up with more reasons but you get the
idea. I
> > >won't be able to stop the BBS juggernut but Joe asked for
opinions and
> > >I gave mine. I have been against the BBS format evertime it was
> > >brought up. I will probally not bother with it once it is in
place as
> > >I find it to be too damn much trouble; however, I will take a
look at
> > >it before I give up on VJC. I was active on NAXJA until they
switched
> > >to BBS. You won't find me on there at all now because it is
just too
> > >much trouble to figure out what I want to read. I have never
been
> > >active on JU I don't like the BBS format.
> > >
> > >I admit that some of the reasons that I hate BBS format is the
same
> > >reason that others like it. I just haven't seen a BBS format I
like.
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>How do they suck? More info please....
> > >>
> > >>Stu Olson
> > >>www.stu-offroad.com
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Leonard K. Pennock [mailto:leonardpennock@c...]
> > >>Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:35 PM
> > >>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: A little feedback on moving forward with
AZVJC
> > >>BBS.... I'm ready to pull the trigger...
> > >>
> > >>I think you should use the license for the Porshe board. The
longer
> > VJC
> > >>
> > >>waits to switch to BBS style the better. BBS format sucks.
>
>
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96298 From: Keith <khaw@n...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:10am
Subject: RE: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm r...


Guess they're called Pirate4x4 now. Here's a link that shows what they
used to call it. http://www.pirate4x4.com/welcome2.html
Keith



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96299 From: <rokkcrawler@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:57am
Subject: Re: Re: A little feedback on moving forward with AZVJC BBS.... I'm r...


In a message dated 12/30/2003 9:07:48 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
gonzodave@y... writes:
but I agree with
the others who don't like having to scan the various forums deciding what
to read and what not to. I find it much simpler to have the messages come
to me, rather than having to go find them
Another member writes: If I have a tech question I go to
the tech forum, instead of searching through a large amount of
unsorted topics.

And I write.......Look at the problems with our classifieds where someone had
to go sort things out as people could not take the time to put an item in the
right catagory.......this sounds like a nightmare. I have read thru some of
the JU tech posts and they are so littered with OT crap and those gay icons
and junk it just frustrates me so. I really dont think that we have enough
active members to make it worthwhile or make it work. Lets face it the same
40-50 people post here all the time.......JU has 10's of thousands it seems.


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