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80687 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:44am
Subject: RE: Pepboys patrons consider this ...


That's an interesting opinion. It's not going to be popular though. Of
course what else would be expect from you Joe?

I haven't been going to Pep Boys for a long time. I guess this is just
another reason to continue that trend.

Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:40 AM
To: 'Duffy Ladd'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; 'highjeeps'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Pepboys patrons consider this ...


If you read the article completely, you'll see that the gentlemen had
received 3 poor performance reviews PRIOR to being terminated... which
pep-boys claims had nothing to do with the gentlemen's military service.

Pep-Boys isn't a bad company because they terminate people who happen to be
in the military reserves AND who also happen to have poor performance.

The guy in the story most likely was terminated because of his poor
performance and NOT because he was in the reserves.

And no... Pep-Boys doesn't have an agenda to terminate people in the
military reserves.... just an agenda to terminate dead wood.

Being in the military reserves does not give one the right to slack off in
one's job.

You go Pep-Boys!
Terminate those dead wood employees so that I can get my car parts
cheaper!!!

Joe West



-----Original Message-----
From: Duffy Ladd [mailto:dladd5@c...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:13 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; highjeeps
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Pepboys patrons consider this ...


That is BS! What a piece of **** company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Duffy Ladd





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80688 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:45am
Subject: Draft a Welcome Letter.


As most of you probably know, I've been working the next generation of Virtual Club software. Currently I am working on the membership part of the website (Member search, profile, join, etc..)



As part of the new website, a valid e-mail address will be required. When a new member signs up, a letter will be send to the e-mail account to verify. What I'm thinking is that this e-mail will contain an introduction to the club, some trail etiquette information, land use issues, TREAD lightly philosophy, etc... It will also contain a URL (hyper-link) that they need to visit in order to verify their membership. Instead of just automatically verifying the membership when they visit the link, I am thinking that a short quiz (4 or 5 questions) needs to be completed, based on the contents of the introduction letter.



What I'm looking for now, are ideas on what should be included in the letter and which items should be included on the quiz. So, please reply with your suggestions, comments, concerns, etc...



Also if someone would like to take the initiative and draft a few sample letters for everyone to vote/comment on that would be appreciated as well.



Thanks,



- Mike Chatfield

Mike.Chatfield@Pegs.Com

(480) 624-6686





80689 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:32am
Subject: Re: Draft a Welcome Letter.


I thought the only requirement to be a member of the club was
to sign up on the yahoo mailing list? Doesn't that already
require a valid email address? Are we changing lists, or what?

At 08:45 AM 3/17/03 -0700, Chatfield, Mike wrote:
> Currently I am working on the membership part of the website
>(Member search, profile, join, etc..) Instead of just automatically
>verifying the membership when they visit the link, I am thinking that a
>short quiz (4 or 5 questions) needs to be completed, based on the contents
>of the introduction letter. So, please reply with your suggestions,
>comments, concerns, etc... Also if someone would like to take the
>initiative and draft a few sample letters for everyone to vote/comment on
>that would be appreciated as well. Thanks, - Mike Chatfield
>Mike.Chatfield@P... (480) 624-6686
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80690 From: Michael Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:03am
Subject: RE: Pepboys patrons consider this ...


I highly doubt his performance was the reason for termination. Toys-R-Us did the same thing to me when I was entering the military. They knew I was leaving and they had already found a replacement (the nephew of a manager) for me, but couldn't hire him until after I left. So they found a bicycle that I'd never touched with a bent rim, forged my initials on the assembly sticker and then fired me for damaging store merchandise.

The bottom line is the retail industry sometimes will do anything to make a buck.

It sounds to me like these "performance" memos were done to cover their *** so they could fire him, and nothing else. A bad dicision on their part, probably assuming that he wouldn't persue legal action against them.

The best thing that Pep Boys Corporate could do is fire the individual responsible for this bad decision and make ammends with their former employee including if necessary financial repair.
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
Reply-To: <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:40:26 -0700

>If you read the article completely, you'll see that the gentlemen had
>received 3 poor performance reviews PRIOR to being terminated... which
>pep-boys claims had nothing to do with the gentlemen's military service.
>
>Pep-Boys isn't a bad company because they terminate people who happen to be
>in the military reserves AND who also happen to have poor performance.
>
>The guy in the story most likely was terminated because of his poor
>performance and NOT because he was in the reserves.
>
>And no... Pep-Boys doesn't have an agenda to terminate people in the
>military reserves.... just an agenda to terminate dead wood.
>
>Being in the military reserves does not give one the right to slack off in
>one's job.
>
>You go Pep-Boys!
>Terminate those dead wood employees so that I can get my car parts
>cheaper!!!
>
>Joe West
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Duffy Ladd [mailto:dladd5@c...]
>Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:13 AM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; highjeeps
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Pepboys patrons consider this ...
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>That is BS! What a piece of **** company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Duffy Ladd
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80691 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:02am
Subject: RE: Pepboys patrons consider this ...


You know my business stance JoeW. I usaually back them up but now was not
the time for this and it is stupid, they could have waited.

Hey Joe, when are you going to a pro-troop/pro-Bush rally?

Ross...oh, it has been snowing all morning.



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:40 AM
To: 'Duffy Ladd'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; 'highjeeps'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Pepboys patrons consider this ...


If you read the article completely, you'll see that the gentlemen had
received 3 poor performance reviews PRIOR to being terminated... which
pep-boys claims had nothing to do with the gentlemen's military service.

Pep-Boys isn't a bad company because they terminate people who happen to be
in the military reserves AND who also happen to have poor performance.

The guy in the story most likely was terminated because of his poor
performance and NOT because he was in the reserves.

And no... Pep-Boys doesn't have an agenda to terminate people in the
military reserves.... just an agenda to terminate dead wood.

Being in the military reserves does not give one the right to slack off in
one's job.

You go Pep-Boys!
Terminate those dead wood employees so that I can get my car parts
cheaper!!!

Joe West



-----Original Message-----
From: Duffy Ladd [mailto:dladd5@c...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:13 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; highjeeps
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Pepboys patrons consider this ...


That is BS! What a piece of **** company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Duffy Ladd





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80692 From: <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:02am
Subject: RE: Fluid spills on the trail


They said they hold quite a bit of oil. I would definatly get a few of
those. They worked great!!

Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice480)346-6249
Fax480)346-6813


-----Original Message-----
From: BradP Kilgore [mailto:brad.kilgore@p...]
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:39 PM
To: Hackle; Az_Vjc
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fluid spills on the trail


Hi Jim,

Is that $109 ea, or for all, hopefully all? Is there any way to get in on
the group buy you are doing, I would asume you are getting a better price?
I would be interested and I would think others would be as well.

Please let me know.

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
Sent: Sun 3/16/2003 7:11 PM
To: Az_Vjc
Cc:
Subject: [az_vjc] Fluid spills on the trail



Last weekend I worked as a judge at Cal Rocs. At the end of
the day we had
a Jeep flip on the obstacle and spill a good amount of fluids while
upside
down. We worked for a long time with the pads supplied by Cal Rocs
to clean
it up. I was amazed at the way these worked. They only pickup oil
(you can
wring them out and only the water comes out). I asked Sandee to let
us know
where to get these. The site is called Newpig

http://www.newpig.com/en_US/browse/p...electedPlatfor
m=Absorbents&ppanalysis=LHB
The RockRats are ordering 50 pads at $109 to carry on the
trail. I
suggested to 4 Wheelers that they add this as an item to the
inventory. I
would like to see everyone carry a couple on the trail and ask 4
Wheelers to
carry them as a stock item where you can go in and buy 2 or 3. Jim
F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
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80693 From: Michael Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:07am
Subject: Re: Draft a Welcome Letter.


Currently the website will allow you to join without requiring you to be a member of the mailing list. And it does not verify the e-mail address so a "new" member could put Nobody@H... and the website will accept that.

The new website will require a valid e-mail address so that we can send out land-use information to everyone in the club. If they don't want the land-use info, then they can leave.

- Mike
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:32:28 -0700

>
>I thought the only requirement to be a member of the club was
>to sign up on the yahoo mailing list? Doesn't that already
>require a valid email address? Are we changing lists, or what?
>


80694 From: <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:13am
Subject: Check out my new XJ


Let me know what you think grapeape.myjeeppage.com click on "camo-1
and camo-2"
Thanks
Jeff 96 XJ "GI Jeep"


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80695 From: Ron Hill <paparonbo@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:26am
Subject: Re: Check out my new XJ


That looks great Jeff. I really like the camo in the interior as well!

Ron Hill
00 Black XJ
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80696 From: Kyle Hagan <kyle@u...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:27am
Subject: Re: Re: Dealership VIN inspection


Oh come on... You know they wont admit to doing something wrong...


If I was you before I took it in I would check all your paperwork and verify
you did get the right Vehicle. Check you vin against your contract.

Kyle

----- Original Message -----
From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
To: "Kyle Hagan" <kyle@u...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Dealership VIN inspection


>
> Why don't they just come out and say that then?
> Why the alleged subterfuge?
>
> At 10:59 PM 3/16/03 -0700, Kyle Hagan wrote:
> >Sounds like they sold a vehicle and gave someone the wrong one now there
> >trying to fix it
> >
> >Kyle
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Don" <weasel_ugs@h...>
> >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:02 PM
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Dealership VIN inspection
> >
> >
> >> I work for a dealership,never heard of that before, Don
> >>
> >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Hill" <paparonbo@y...> wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> > I received a strange call the other day and thought I would run it
> >> by
> >> > some people first. We purchased a vehicle about a month ago and the
> >> > dealership called us and wanted us to bring it back in for a "VIN
> >> > inspection." They said that they are required to do a random check
> >> on
> >> > X number of vehicles. I've never heard of it before and it sounds
> >> to
> >> > me like they didn't check the numbers prior to selling us the
> >> vehicle?
> >> > It wouldn't be a big deal, but they are insistant on doing it this
> >> > week and this week is really busy for me to drive across town and
> >> wait
> >> > if its something that they neglected. Any thoughts?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Ron Hill
> >> > 00 Black XJ
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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80697 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:33am
Subject: RE: Draft a Welcome Letter.


Hi Mike,

That's a tough stance on the land use issue, I like it!!



Scott K

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Chatfield [mailto:Mike@A...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:07 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


Currently the website will allow you to join without requiring you to be a
member of the mailing list. And it does not verify the e-mail address so a
"new" member could put Nobody@H... and the website will accept that.

The new website will require a valid e-mail address so that we can send out
land-use information to everyone in the club. If they don't want the
land-use info, then they can leave.

- Mike
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:32:28 -0700

>
>I thought the only requirement to be a member of the club was to sign
>up on the yahoo mailing list? Doesn't that already require a valid
>email address? Are we changing lists, or what?
>





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80698 From: Daver <daver@i...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:34am
Subject: Re: Re: Dealership VIN inspection


Yah- I would check my VIN against my contract and against my
registration/title, and if everything was kosher, I'd tell them to go fly a
kite.

At 09:27 AM 3/17/2003 -0700, Kyle Hagan wrote:
>Oh come on... You know they wont admit to doing something wrong...
>
>
>If I was you before I took it in I would check all your paperwork and verify
>you did get the right Vehicle. Check you vin against your contract.
>
>Kyle
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
>To: "Kyle Hagan" <kyle@u...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Dealership VIN inspection
>
>
> >
> > Why don't they just come out and say that then?
> > Why the alleged subterfuge?
> >
> > At 10:59 PM 3/16/03 -0700, Kyle Hagan wrote:
> > >Sounds like they sold a vehicle and gave someone the wrong one now there
> > >trying to fix it
> > >
> > >Kyle
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Don" <weasel_ugs@h...>
> > >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:02 PM
> > >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Dealership VIN inspection
> > >
> > >
> > >> I work for a dealership,never heard of that before, Don
> > >>
> > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Hill" <paparonbo@y...> wrote:
> > >> > Hi all,
> > >> > I received a strange call the other day and thought I would run it
> > >> by
> > >> > some people first. We purchased a vehicle about a month ago and the
> > >> > dealership called us and wanted us to bring it back in for a "VIN
> > >> > inspection." They said that they are required to do a random check
> > >> on
> > >> > X number of vehicles. I've never heard of it before and it sounds
> > >> to
> > >> > me like they didn't check the numbers prior to selling us the
> > >> vehicle?
> > >> > It wouldn't be a big deal, but they are insistant on doing it this
> > >> > week and this week is really busy for me to drive across town and
> > >> wait
> > >> > if its something that they neglected. Any thoughts?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Ron Hill
> > >> > 00 Black XJ


80699 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:36am
Subject: Re: Draft a Welcome Letter.


Quiz??? I'm glad I'm already a member! I suck at tests! heh heh -
Rob


--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> As most of you probably know, I've been working the next
generation of
> Virtual Club software. Currently I am working on the membership
part of the
> website (Member search, profile, join, etc..)
>
>
>
> As part of the new website, a valid e-mail address will be
required. When a
> new member signs up, a letter will be send to the e-mail account
to verify.
> What I'm thinking is that this e-mail will contain an introduction
to the
> club, some trail etiquette information, land use issues, TREAD
lightly
> philosophy, etc... It will also contain a URL (hyper-link) that
they need to
> visit in order to verify their membership. Instead of just
automatically
> verifying the membership when they visit the link, I am thinking
that a
> short quiz (4 or 5 questions) needs to be completed, based on the
contents
> of the introduction letter.
>
>
>
> What I'm looking for now, are ideas on what should be included in
the letter
> and which items should be included on the quiz. So, please reply
with your
> suggestions, comments, concerns, etc...
>
>
>
> Also if someone would like to take the initiative and draft a few
sample
> letters for everyone to vote/comment on that would be appreciated
as well.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> - Mike Chatfield
>
> Mike.Chatfield@P... <mailto:Mike.Chatfield@P...>
>
> (480) 624-6686


80700 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:23am
Subject: Re: Draft a Welcome Letter.


>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:58:22 -0700
>To: <Mike@a...>
>From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>In-Reply-To: <200303170907.AA1507532@a...>
>
>
>No, I don't want to leave. I just thought that the only requirement
>to be a member of AZVJC was to sign up on the Yahoo Groups mailing list.
>I will sign up on the web site post-haste. =)
>
>Tony
>

And also, just to clarify, I want to ask again what the requirements
are and or will be to be a "member" of azvjc? I do consider myself
a member.

Tony

>At 09:07 AM 3/17/03 -0700, you wrote:
>>Currently the website will allow you to join without requiring you to be
a member of the mailing list. And it does not verify the e-mail address so
a "new" member could put Nobody@H... and the website will accept that.
>>
>>The new website will require a valid e-mail address so that we can send
out land-use information to everyone in the club. If they don't want the
land-use info, then they can leave.
>>
>>- Mike
>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
>>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:32:28 -0700
>>
>>>
>>>I thought the only requirement to be a member of the club was
>>>to sign up on the yahoo mailing list? Doesn't that already
>>>require a valid email address? Are we changing lists, or what?
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>>

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80701 From: <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:57am
Subject: RE: Draft a Welcome Letter.


Mike, I think thats a little harsh "If they don't want the
land-use info, then they can leave." It would be different if we were all
paying dues or something. But were not, so to tell them they have to receive
land use emails is like telling them they have to receive spam. I'm all for
receiving them but I am also thinking of others that may not feel the same
way. As we all appreciate what you are doing I just feel (in my own opinion)
that we (AZVJC) should not force certain emails on any of the members.
"flamesuit on" I think we should have a poll to find out what the members
feel. Thanks for reading my .05

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:58:22 -0700
>To: <Mike@a...>
>From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>In-Reply-To: <200303170907.AA1507532@a...>
>
>
>No, I don't want to leave. I just thought that the only requirement
>to be a member of AZVJC was to sign up on the Yahoo Groups mailing list.
>I will sign up on the web site post-haste. =)
>
>Tony
>

And also, just to clarify, I want to ask again what the requirements
are and or will be to be a "member" of azvjc? I do consider myself
a member.

Tony

>At 09:07 AM 3/17/03 -0700, you wrote:
>>Currently the website will allow you to join without requiring you to be
a member of the mailing list. And it does not verify the e-mail address so
a "new" member could put Nobody@H... and the website will accept that.
>>
>>The new website will require a valid e-mail address so that we can send
out land-use information to everyone in the club. If they don't want the
land-use info, then they can leave.
>>
>>- Mike
>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
>>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:32:28 -0700
>>
>>>
>>>I thought the only requirement to be a member of the club was
>>>to sign up on the yahoo mailing list? Doesn't that already
>>>require a valid email address? Are we changing lists, or what?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>>
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>>

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80702 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:02am
Subject: RE: Draft a Welcome Letter.


Jeff,

Mike can correct me if I am wrong, but I think that it is not going to be
ongoing landuse issue emails but just the first one explaing some of our
beleifs. I did not read that there were going to be ongoing landuse emails.

Correct Mike?

Joe Kearney

-----Original Message-----
From: jeff.trujillo@m...
[mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:57 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


Mike, I think thats a little harsh "If they don't want the
land-use info, then they can leave." It would be different if we were all
paying dues or something. But were not, so to tell them they have to receive
land use emails is like telling them they have to receive spam. I'm all for
receiving them but I am also thinking of others that may not feel the same
way. As we all appreciate what you are doing I just feel (in my own opinion)
that we (AZVJC) should not force certain emails on any of the members.
"flamesuit on" I think we should have a poll to find out what the members
feel. Thanks for reading my .05

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:58:22 -0700
>To: <Mike@a...>
>From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>In-Reply-To: <200303170907.AA1507532@a...>
>
>
>No, I don't want to leave. I just thought that the only requirement
>to be a member of AZVJC was to sign up on the Yahoo Groups mailing list.
>I will sign up on the web site post-haste. =)
>
>Tony
>

And also, just to clarify, I want to ask again what the requirements
are and or will be to be a "member" of azvjc? I do consider myself
a member.

Tony

>At 09:07 AM 3/17/03 -0700, you wrote:
>>Currently the website will allow you to join without requiring you to be
a member of the mailing list. And it does not verify the e-mail address so
a "new" member could put Nobody@H... and the website will accept that.
>>
>>The new website will require a valid e-mail address so that we can send
out land-use information to everyone in the club. If they don't want the
land-use info, then they can leave.
>>
>>- Mike
>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
>>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:32:28 -0700
>>
>>>
>>>I thought the only requirement to be a member of the club was
>>>to sign up on the yahoo mailing list? Doesn't that already
>>>require a valid email address? Are we changing lists, or what?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>>

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80703 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:09am
Subject: RE: Fluid spills on the trail


That price is for 50 of the pads 30" x 30" they have smaller pads for less
money. I sent an e-mail to Barry at 4 Wheelers to see if they could carry
some as a stock item. Jim F.

"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/

-----Original Message-----
From: jeff.trujillo@m...
[mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:03 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fluid spills on the trail


They said they hold quite a bit of oil. I would definatly get a few of
those. They worked great!!

Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice480)346-6249
Fax480)346-6813


-----Original Message-----
From: BradP Kilgore [mailto:brad.kilgore@p...]
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:39 PM
To: Hackle; Az_Vjc
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fluid spills on the trail


Hi Jim,

Is that $109 ea, or for all, hopefully all? Is there any way to get in on
the group buy you are doing, I would asume you are getting a better price?
I would be interested and I would think others would be as well.

Please let me know.

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
Sent: Sun 3/16/2003 7:11 PM
To: Az_Vjc
Cc:
Subject: [az_vjc] Fluid spills on the trail



Last weekend I worked as a judge at Cal Rocs. At the end of
the day we had
a Jeep flip on the obstacle and spill a good amount of fluids while
upside
down. We worked for a long time with the pads supplied by Cal Rocs
to clean
it up. I was amazed at the way these worked. They only pickup oil
(you can
wring them out and only the water comes out). I asked Sandee to let
us know
where to get these. The site is called Newpig

http://www.newpig.com/en_US/browse/p...electedPlatfor
m=Absorbents&ppanalysis=LHB
The RockRats are ordering 50 pads at $109 to carry on the
trail. I
suggested to 4 Wheelers that they add this as an item to the
inventory. I
would like to see everyone carry a couple on the trail and ask 4
Wheelers to
carry them as a stock item where you can go in and buy 2 or 3. Jim
F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member"
Groucho
Marx
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80704 From: <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:12am
Subject: RE: Draft a Welcome Letter.


If thats all that it is then go for it. But if its ongoing email I feel it
needs to be a poll. I wasnt being harsh or anything just stating by opinion.
Thanks

Jeffrey A. Trujillo
Field Service Representative
MD Helicopters, Inc.
jeff.trujillo@m...
Voice480)346-6249
Fax480)346-6813


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:03 AM
To: jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


Jeff,

Mike can correct me if I am wrong, but I think that it is not going to be
ongoing landuse issue emails but just the first one explaing some of our
beleifs. I did not read that there were going to be ongoing landuse emails.

Correct Mike?

Joe Kearney

-----Original Message-----
From: jeff.trujillo@m...
[mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:57 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


Mike, I think thats a little harsh "If they don't want the
land-use info, then they can leave." It would be different if we were all
paying dues or something. But were not, so to tell them they have to receive
land use emails is like telling them they have to receive spam. I'm all for
receiving them but I am also thinking of others that may not feel the same
way. As we all appreciate what you are doing I just feel (in my own opinion)
that we (AZVJC) should not force certain emails on any of the members.
"flamesuit on" I think we should have a poll to find out what the members
feel. Thanks for reading my .05

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:58:22 -0700
>To: <Mike@a...>
>From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>In-Reply-To: <200303170907.AA1507532@a...>
>
>
>No, I don't want to leave. I just thought that the only requirement
>to be a member of AZVJC was to sign up on the Yahoo Groups mailing list.
>I will sign up on the web site post-haste. =)
>
>Tony
>

And also, just to clarify, I want to ask again what the requirements
are and or will be to be a "member" of azvjc? I do consider myself
a member.

Tony

>At 09:07 AM 3/17/03 -0700, you wrote:
>>Currently the website will allow you to join without requiring you to be
a member of the mailing list. And it does not verify the e-mail address so
a "new" member could put Nobody@H... and the website will accept that.
>>
>>The new website will require a valid e-mail address so that we can send
out land-use information to everyone in the club. If they don't want the
land-use info, then they can leave.
>>
>>- Mike
>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
>>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:32:28 -0700
>>
>>>
>>>I thought the only requirement to be a member of the club was
>>>to sign up on the yahoo mailing list? Doesn't that already
>>>require a valid email address? Are we changing lists, or what?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>>

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80705 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:12am
Subject: RE: Draft a Welcome Letter.


My opinion, pound them with land use email. Make sure every member has
knowledge of what is going on in the state. If they don't like it boot
them. If they want to join AZVJC and have the sticker on their Jeep
then they can put up with the land use emails.

Clint Ramsey

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:03 AM
To: jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.

Jeff,

Mike can correct me if I am wrong, but I think that it is not going to
be
ongoing landuse issue emails but just the first one explaing some of our
beleifs. I did not read that there were going to be ongoing landuse
emails.

Correct Mike?

Joe Kearney

-----Original Message-----
From: jeff.trujillo@m...
[mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:57 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


Mike, I think thats a little harsh "If they don't want the
land-use info, then they can leave." It would be different if we were
all
paying dues or something. But were not, so to tell them they have to
receive
land use emails is like telling them they have to receive spam. I'm all
for
receiving them but I am also thinking of others that may not feel the
same
way. As we all appreciate what you are doing I just feel (in my own
opinion)
that we (AZVJC) should not force certain emails on any of the members.
"flamesuit on" I think we should have a poll to find out what the
members
feel. Thanks for reading my .05

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:58:22 -0700
>To: <Mike@a...>
>From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>In-Reply-To: <200303170907.AA1507532@a...>
>
>
>No, I don't want to leave. I just thought that the only requirement
>to be a member of AZVJC was to sign up on the Yahoo Groups mailing
list.
>I will sign up on the web site post-haste. =)
>
>Tony
>

And also, just to clarify, I want to ask again what the requirements
are and or will be to be a "member" of azvjc? I do consider myself
a member.

Tony

>At 09:07 AM 3/17/03 -0700, you wrote:
>>Currently the website will allow you to join without requiring you to
be
a member of the mailing list. And it does not verify the e-mail address
so
a "new" member could put Nobody@H... and the website will accept
that.
>>
>>The new website will require a valid e-mail address so that we can
send
out land-use information to everyone in the club. If they don't want
the
land-use info, then they can leave.
>>
>>- Mike
>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
>>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:32:28 -0700
>>
>>>
>>>I thought the only requirement to be a member of the club was
>>>to sign up on the yahoo mailing list? Doesn't that already
>>>require a valid email address? Are we changing lists, or what?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>>

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80706 From: Kristi <kristiluv33@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:15am
Subject: RE: [azbc] Dealer VIN inspection???


It is called a Level 3 inspection. It is only required by the state if the vehicle came in from another state or it is restored from a salvage. The vehicle can be legally sold w/o the inspection but not registered until the VINs all match up w/each other in the inspection.

I would call the inspection station on Broadway & I10 to find out whats up. The state instated a law that was effective approximately three months ago requiring that a dealer informs a buyer before the purchase that it still needs to be inspected, and if it already had been so, that it was originally a salvage title. The reason is, that there has been a history of stolen parts found on vehicles and then the state confiscates the car and then the buyer is stuck trying to get their moneys back from the dealer. It is possible it could be for another reason that I am unaware of, but it is unlikely. I am sure everything will be fine cause dealers do a lot in checking vehicle history before putting it out on the lot to protect their own necks..



Good luck,

Jason



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Hill [mailtoaparonbo@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:39 PM
To: azbackcountry@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [azbc] Dealer VIN inspection???



Hi all,
I received a strange call the other day and thought I would run it by
some people first. We purchased a vehicle about a month ago and the
dealership called us and wanted us to bring it back in for a "VIN
inspection." They said that they are required to do a random check on
X number of vehicles. I've never heard of it before and it sounds to
me like they didn't check the numbers prior to selling us the vehicle?
It wouldn't be a big deal, but they are insistant on doing it this
week and this week is really busy for me to drive across town and wait
if its something that they neglected. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Ron Hill
Black XJ





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80707 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:16am
Subject: [TR] Land Use Meeting - Thursday, April 3, 2003


Hello All,

Robert (Roy) Rogers is leading a Land Use Meeting trail run on Thursday, April 3, 2003.

When: 6-9PM
Where: Deer Valley Community Center
Rating: 2.0-
Length: 3 hours
CB Channel: 4

Second of the Phx. BLM Workshops on the Agua Fria National Monument and Bradshaw Foothills-Harquahala area in Phoenix.



Deer Valley Community Center 6 - 9 p.m. 6 - 9 p.m.

2001 West Wahalla Lane, Phoenix

1 block S of Beardsley, S of 101 and 19th Ave

(The big park on the WEST of 19th Ave. just south of 101).

This is used to add Land Use Meetings to the AzVJC Events List.

Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List

Thank You,

- The AzVJC Website


80708 From: Scott Tate <scott@t...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:16am
Subject: Can you weld stainless?


Hello all,
I have a kickdown cable for a transmission that happens to be an aftermarket braided stainless line. The braided 'hose' goes into the stainless housing that bolts to the tranny (it's a th-350 by the way). Now, the braided line has 'pulled out' of the housing. And, when it pulls out, it pulls out a few drips of fluid with it. So, needless to say, I have a pretty bad leak. Now, since the line is custom (I think it might be Lokar or something), it is a custom length as well. It's bolted to a 95 LT1 on the other end. Can the braided line be tacked to the housing so as not to move? It sucks to have to buy a new kickdown cable, as I can't just go to the dealer and pick one of these custom cables up. Any insight is appreciated.
Thx.
S


80709 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:19am
Subject: RE: Draft a Welcome Letter.


Clint,

I think that an organized club where you pay dues and all of that then what
you are saying would be fine. But this is the AZVJC and I do not feel this
is the place for that.

A 1 time informational email when joining would be great and even have a
place on the web site for land use issues but an email to all members all of
the time is not my choice.

I veto that idea, do I have vetoe power? <grin>

BTW, Clint thanks for your opinion.

Joe Kearney


-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@t...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:13 AM
To: Joe-CJ7@J...; jeff.trujillo@m...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


My opinion, pound them with land use email. Make sure every member has
knowledge of what is going on in the state. If they don't like it boot
them. If they want to join AZVJC and have the sticker on their Jeep
then they can put up with the land use emails.

Clint Ramsey

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:03 AM
To: jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.

Jeff,

Mike can correct me if I am wrong, but I think that it is not going to
be
ongoing landuse issue emails but just the first one explaing some of our
beleifs. I did not read that there were going to be ongoing landuse
emails.

Correct Mike?

Joe Kearney

-----Original Message-----
From: jeff.trujillo@m...
[mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:57 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


Mike, I think thats a little harsh "If they don't want the
land-use info, then they can leave." It would be different if we were
all
paying dues or something. But were not, so to tell them they have to
receive
land use emails is like telling them they have to receive spam. I'm all
for
receiving them but I am also thinking of others that may not feel the
same
way. As we all appreciate what you are doing I just feel (in my own
opinion)
that we (AZVJC) should not force certain emails on any of the members.
"flamesuit on" I think we should have a poll to find out what the
members
feel. Thanks for reading my .05

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.


>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:58:22 -0700
>To: <Mike@a...>
>From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>In-Reply-To: <200303170907.AA1507532@a...>
>
>
>No, I don't want to leave. I just thought that the only requirement
>to be a member of AZVJC was to sign up on the Yahoo Groups mailing
list.
>I will sign up on the web site post-haste. =)
>
>Tony
>

And also, just to clarify, I want to ask again what the requirements
are and or will be to be a "member" of azvjc? I do consider myself
a member.

Tony

>At 09:07 AM 3/17/03 -0700, you wrote:
>>Currently the website will allow you to join without requiring you to
be
a member of the mailing list. And it does not verify the e-mail address
so
a "new" member could put Nobody@H... and the website will accept
that.
>>
>>The new website will require a valid e-mail address so that we can
send
out land-use information to everyone in the club. If they don't want
the
land-use info, then they can leave.
>>
>>- Mike
>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
>>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:32:28 -0700
>>
>>>
>>>I thought the only requirement to be a member of the club was
>>>to sign up on the yahoo mailing list? Doesn't that already
>>>require a valid email address? Are we changing lists, or what?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>>

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80710 From: Kristi <kristiluv33@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:21am
Subject: RE: [azbc] Dealer VIN inspection???






-----Original Message-----
From: Kristi [mailto:kristiluv33@mail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:16 AM
To: 'Ron Hill'; AzVJC Website
Subject: RE: [azbc] Dealer VIN inspection???



It is called a Level 3 inspection. It is only required by the state if the vehicle came in from another state or it is restored from a salvage. The vehicle can be legally sold w/o the inspection but not registered until the VINs all match up w/each other in the inspection.

I would call the inspection station on Broadway & I10 to find out whats up. The state instated a law that was effective approximately three months ago requiring that a dealer informs a buyer before the purchase that it still needs to be inspected, and if it already had been so, that it was originally a salvage title. The reason is, that there has been a history of stolen parts found on vehicles and then the state confiscates the car and then the buyer is stuck trying to get their moneys back from the dealer. It is possible it could be for another reason that I am unaware of, but it is unlikely. I am sure everything will be fine cause dealers do a lot in checking vehicle history before putting it out on the lot to protect their own necks.. One more thing; the inspection takes about 2hrs the are aprox 15 VINs all over the vehicle (not just the one on the placard @ the windshield) that only the Mfg & the MVD knows where to look - they check for continuity.



Good luck,

Jason



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Hill [mailtoaparonbo@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:39 PM
To: azbackcountry@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [azbc] Dealer VIN inspection???



Hi all,
I received a strange call the other day and thought I would run it by
some people first. We purchased a vehicle about a month ago and the
dealership called us and wanted us to bring it back in for a "VIN
inspection." They said that they are required to do a random check on
X number of vehicles. I've never heard of it before and it sounds to
me like they didn't check the numbers prior to selling us the vehicle?
It wouldn't be a big deal, but they are insistant on doing it this
week and this week is really busy for me to drive across town and wait
if its something that they neglected. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Ron Hill
Black XJ





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80711 From: Michael Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:51am
Subject: RE: Draft a Welcome Letter.


No the intent is to constantly inform the membership of Land Use Issues. What I'm refering to here is:

1. Land Use Meetings.
2. Letter Writing Campaigns.
3. Clean Ups.

The way I am writing the software is that every member of the AzVJC website will recieve these e-mails. The only way for them to not recieve the e-mails is to unsubscribe (become a non-member). PERIOD.



---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Reply-To: <Joe-CJ7@J...>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:19:01 -0700

>Clint,
>
>I think that an organized club where you pay dues and all of that then what
>you are saying would be fine. But this is the AZVJC and I do not feel this
>is the place for that.
>
>A 1 time informational email when joining would be great and even have a
>place on the web site for land use issues but an email to all members all of
>the time is not my choice.
>
>I veto that idea, do I have vetoe power? <grin>
>
>BTW, Clint thanks for your opinion.
>
>Joe Kearney
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clint Ramsey [mailto:cwramsey@t...]
>Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:13 AM
>To: Joe-CJ7@J...; jeff.trujillo@m...;
>az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>
>
>My opinion, pound them with land use email. Make sure every member has
>knowledge of what is going on in the state. If they don't like it boot
>them. If they want to join AZVJC and have the sticker on their Jeep
>then they can put up with the land use emails.
>
>Clint Ramsey
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
>Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:03 AM
>To: jeff.trujillo@m...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>
>Jeff,
>
>Mike can correct me if I am wrong, but I think that it is not going to
>be
>ongoing landuse issue emails but just the first one explaing some of our
>beleifs. I did not read that there were going to be ongoing landuse
>emails.
>
>Correct Mike?
>
>Joe Kearney
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jeff.trujillo@m...
>[mailto:jeff.trujillo@m...]
>Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:57 AM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>
>
>Mike, I think thats a little harsh "If they don't want the
>land-use info, then they can leave." It would be different if we were
>all
>paying dues or something. But were not, so to tell them they have to
>receive
>land use emails is like telling them they have to receive spam. I'm all
>for
>receiving them but I am also thinking of others that may not feel the
>same
>way. As we all appreciate what you are doing I just feel (in my own
>opinion)
>that we (AZVJC) should not force certain emails on any of the members.
>"flamesuit on" I think we should have a poll to find out what the
>members
>feel. Thanks for reading my .05
>
>Jeff
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
>Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:24 AM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>
>
>>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:58:22 -0700
>>To: <Mike@a...>
>>From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Draft a Welcome Letter.
>>In-Reply-To: <200303170907.AA1507532@a...>
>>
>>
>>No, I don't want to leave. I just thought that the only requirement
>>to be a member of AZVJC was to sign up on the Yahoo Groups mailing
>list.
>>I will sign up on the web site post-haste. =)
>>
>>Tony
>>
>
>And also, just to clarify, I want to ask again what the requirements
>are and or will be to be a "member" of azvjc? I do consider myself
>a member.
>
>Tony
>
>>At 09:07 AM 3/17/03 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Currently the website will allow you to join without requiring you to
>be
>a member of the mailing list. And it does not verify the e-mail address
>so
>a "new" member could put Nobody@H... and the website will accept
>that.
>>>
>>>The new website will require a valid e-mail address so that we can
>send
>out land-use information to everyone in the club. If they don't want
>the
>land-use info, then they can leave.
>>>
>>>- Mike
>>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>>From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
>>>Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:32:28 -0700
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I thought the only requirement to be a member of the club was
>>>>to sign up on the yahoo mailing list? Doesn't that already
>>>>require a valid email address? Are we changing lists, or what?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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