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  • 10/22

    29 21.64%
  • 223

    18 13.43%
  • 38/357

    5 3.73%
  • 9mm/40

    25 18.66%
  • 44mag

    4 2.99%
  • 45

    21 15.67%
  • 30/30 - 308

    7 5.22%
  • 50

    4 2.99%
  • Cowboy action

    2 1.49%
  • Other

    19 14.18%
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  1. #46
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    The military has looked at this and here are the conclusions:

    Keeping a round in the chamber is not smart. Lots of folks die that way, and lots of accidents happen.

    Newpaper 2 days ago: Couple of days ago, a guy out duck hunting finished for the day headed back to the truck. He laid his shotgun in the bed of the truck and his dog, knowing it was time to go home jumped up in the bed. The dog landed paw first on the trigger and the guy too a shotgun blast to the leg and died.

    My bosses 17 year old son: Boss and son took day off on first day of deer season. No deer, but finished for the day they headed back to the truck. They walked up to the passenger side of truck and Dad said lets eat our lunch here before we go back to town. Dad laid rifle against fender of truck and reached over and grabbed the cooler. Son laid his rifle in the seat of truck instead of putting it in the gun rack. Son grabs Dads rifle and lays it in the seat along with his, closes door on truck and Dads rifle gets pushed in an extra inch by the door, bolt action on Sons gun slips into trigger guard, rifle goes off, hits son in leg and son dies on the spot.

    That is 2 that directly affected me.

    That said you are 100% correct in you scenarios where you NEED to have a round chambered and the military agree in spades. Going into combat and not have a round in the chamber is even LESS smart than keeping one in the chamber.

    Solution: Beretta 92F
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    defensive and hunting are 2 totally different scenarios.....
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    Not to mention both scenerios goes against the laws of proper gun handleing
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Stickbuddy View Post
    Okay cowboy, you win.
    I'm no cowboy, and winning a debate with you was not my goal.
    Winning a gun fight however...
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    Quote Originally Posted by sms1688 View Post
    Not to mention both scenerios goes against the laws of proper gun handleing
    Yes, in both cases the most basic principle of having the safety engaged until you are ready to fire was not followed. Out in the field I keep the safety on until I shoulder my rifle/shotgun, then disengage it as I aim.
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    My carry weapon doesn't have a lever safety....so there's even less to think about before it goes BANG!
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    Quote Originally Posted by SavageSun4x4 View Post
    I have shot a lot of weapons over my life and my hands continually reach out for the Ruger 10/22. I am on my second one. My first one I shot it so much the bullets were coming out the end of the barrel sideways. In fact if i pulled the trigger twice really fast I could shoot them 2 at a time.

    Finally broke down and bought a new one.

    If we were to "Red Dawn" scenario and I could have only one shoulder arm I would have to decide between my 10/22 and my Bushmaster M4...albeit I would pick the M4 but that would be due to possible combat action.
    Hey Don, what model Ruger is that in the picture?
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    Quote Originally Posted by sms1688 View Post
    Not to mention both scenerios goes against the laws of proper gun handleing
    Exactly right. Both cases Don mentioned while tragic, also point out the fact that neither group involved followed proper safe gun handling procedures. I have no right to disrespect any of the men involved nor is it my intention to purposely point out a flaw in a late friend or family member but these instances point out extremely important training issues and a mantra to all firearms instructors: treat all weapons as loaded and make a safe weapon everytime you leave the line (or field as it may be). Everytime I leave the line for a break, go forward of the line for targets, or stop the firing in order to point something out or teach, every gun goes to condition 4 (weapon unloaded, magazine out or empty, bolt or action open, and weapon on safe).

    I don't want to beat a dead horse or sound preachy so I think I'll put this to rest. Very sorry to hear about your friend's or family's tragic accident Don. That is truly horrible.
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    I carry a Lady Smith (9mm), never liked smith and wesson, but I do like this Lady Smith. But, I also carry a Python, yes gentlemen.... a revolver, one might hear a suttle click noise, if I should decide the first one out has to be dead on target.
    I have to say that I have known or read of more handgun fatalities, from the "unloaded gun" in the common household. This why I don't like to keep one in the chamber.
    just my opinion
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Digger View Post
    I carry a Lady Smith (9mm), never liked smith and wesson, but I do like this Lady Smith. But, I also carry a Python, yes gentlemen.... a revolver, one might hear a suttle click noise, if I should decide the first one out has to be dead on target.
    I have to say that I have known or read of more handgun fatalities, from the "unloaded gun" in the common household. This why I don't like to keep one in the chamber.
    just my opinion
    Rule #1 = All guns are always loaded.

    Treat them that way and you won't go wrong.
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    Quote Originally Posted by AZG23 View Post
    defensive and hunting are 2 totally different scenarios.....
    Quote Originally Posted by sms1688 View Post
    Not to mention both scenerios goes against the laws of proper gun handleing
    Did you MISS the punch line????

    While I agree they may be different scenarios the fact is a round was chambered...point made. That said if want combat scenarios military or LE where would you like to begin? Yesterday, last week, month, year, Vietnam, Korea, WWII, Civil War, War of Mexican Aggression, Revolutionary war?

    Quote Originally Posted by ROKCRLR View Post
    Hey Don, what model Ruger is that in the picture?
    That is my 10/22 in stainless. That is the gun given to me by my staff when I Retired from the Army. Its never been fired but I would to do some serious shooting with it.

    Me and several buddies used to meet for Memorial day weekends on a fellows ranch in central Texas. The guy has several thousand acres and raised cattle and did deer leasing. The Bosque River flowed thru his ranch and he had year round running water. But the water moccasins were killing off a lot of cattle and deer. They would go to the river to drink, head go down to water and snake strike in face, dead cows, calf's, deer.

    3 days, 3 nights, 1000 rds per day per man, Ruger 10/22s. Lots of lies, cigars, good bourbon whiskey grilled steaks, dead snakes, no sleep, no showers, no wives or girlfriends what fun. Sure miss that.
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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Pac8541 View Post
    ......treat all weapons as loaded and make a safe weapon everytime you leave the line (or field as it may be). Everytime I leave the line for a break, go forward of the line for targets, or stop the firing in order to point something out or teach, every gun goes to condition 4 (weapon unloaded, magazine out or empty, bolt or action open, and weapon on safe).
    Maybe I didn't fully understand you, so I'll comment on what I would do.

    Leaving the field after a day of hunt....gun is unloaded, mag removed, action opened, weapon on safe.....on its way to the gun case.

    Leaving the line.....since I carry, mine goes back in the holster, one in the chamber, magazine in, ready to go.....same condition it was in when I arrived at the firing line.

    Now, if one is talking about range rules that require removed mags, empty chambers, locked open, etc. during a cease fire/check your targets, then a person doesn't have a choice but to comply.

    At Front Sight, part way through day 2 of 4, we went to a hot range. 39 students in my class for four days....not a single ND.....and that was drawing from concealment, timed....pressure on....not a single ND.

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    Re: #1 shooting gun

    would I get in trouble if I accidentally shot my cat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duality View Post
    would I get in trouble if I accidentally shot my cat?
    As far as I'm concerned...only if it wasn't on purpose.
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