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47644 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:41am
Subject: Re: Re: Environmental Attorney


The only Crater Lake I know of is in Oregon . . . .a long way from
Scottsdale. Is there one in Arizona?
Bob
74 CJ-5

jetowle2000 wrote:

> He put a trail preference as Crater Lake, where is Crater Lake and is
> there any wheeling allowed there? This might be a clue to his
> alliance.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., rlpii@q... wrote:
> > Anyone note that we now have an "Environmental Attorney" as
> > a member (Brian Luse)?
> > With no vehicle information listed?
> > hmmmmmmmmm?
> >
> > Bob
> > 74 CJ-5
>
>
>
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47645 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:51am
Subject: Re: Air Bag Switch


from what i understand its not an option by law. my f-250 crew cab doesn't
have a switch to turn it off. they told me if you have access to the rear
seat it wont come with it and i needed a letter from some auto safety
committee in order for ford to install one. i would be careful. if you get
into an accident and it doesn't go off when it should you might have
problems.


47646 From: Shadow Wolf <shadowwolf@l...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:52am
Subject: RE: Environmental Attorney


Just my personal thoughts on the matter.

1> Information is power plain and simple. By informing people of the
proper ethics and morals of OHV we are empowering THEM to help keep the
lands open.

2> The mention to "pre-Columbus" days. Before Columbus landed on this
rock of a continent there were no problems with the right wing activists
and people went where ever they wanted when ever they wanted.

3> If the guy is a lawyer doesn't that put him as the lowest being on
the planet?? <sorry bad lawyer joke>

4> Honestly if the guy is a lawyer and is an environmentalist then by
being on this group he will learn 2 things. Yes there are OHV people
that DO NOT CARE about the environment(we do complain about them all the
time) and there are OHV people who CARE VERY STRONGLY about the
environment(IE trail retrievals, trail restorations, trail cleanups,
etc).

5> Since this is a medium for the exchange of ideas should WE not accept
other peoples ideas with an open mind? Should WE not provide OUR own
ideas to others and hope THEY have an open mind?

6> There are a lot of activist on BOTH sides of the fence that have
given one side or the other a bad name. But can you REALLY judge a
group by the actions of 1 member? Look at the Hanoi Jane. Remember all
that crap that went around about her? Now are the groups she belongs to
really as bad as her or are there a lot of good people there as well?

7> I have a friend who is an ecologist. She owns a 4x4 and uses it for
work so she can study different areas of the ecology. While me and her
do not see eye to eye on everything we both do agree on one simple
thing. TREAD LIGHTY.

David Haw


47647 From: msa12171 <msa12171@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:55am
Subject: LAST CHANCE CHARITY RUN!


The sort of it is a run up the back way to CK on April 6th to
benefiet a Suprise firefighter with cancer. It is $50 for the first
and $30 for each add'l family member. Let me know how many vehicles
(same family can have as many as they want), names and t-shirt
sizes. you get a shirt and a meal in CK. I need to know TODAY.
Sorry for the short notice, but like I said before, I tried to post
this Sunday and Monday. Thanks.

Mike A.


47648 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 0:01pm
Subject: Re: Environmental Attorney


That is true, but then Joe W. will probably need therapy! Is there a doctor in
the group?
(LOL)
Bob74 CJ-5

Sandee McCullen wrote:

> Bob,
> You've got a point but you're right in that it would probably be impossible
> to start "limiting" membership........ maybe we all simply need to
> "consider" what we say or put into print, just as we need to always consider
> the "repercussions" of our actions.
>
> Hey, ......... we may indeed have an "ally"........
>
> Sandee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rlpii@u... [mailto:rlpii@u...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:25 PM
> > To: Sandee McCullen
> > Cc: DesertJeep; 'AZVJC'
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> >
> >
> > Sandee,
> > No argument from me on anything you say. My concern would only
> > stem from the
> > fact that the AZVJC has a lot of open and frank email
> > "conversations" and it
> > would certainly be a negative if one of these emails, even though
> > it was sent in
> > jest or to simply get a reaction, were to be taken out of context and used
> > against land use advocates. Does the name ENRON ring a bell :-)
> > Emails can be
> > very damaging.
> > I had never really thought much about the content of our emails
> > until I noticed
> > this new member's occupation, and it dawned on me that anyone and
> > everyone has
> > access to these emails and some of them could be misconstrued to
> > admitting that
> > some OHV users do cause damage to the environment.
> > Just food for thought, I am certainly not advocating the "Big O"
> > or limiting our
> > membership in anyway. Just something to think about when we
> > compose our next
> > email.
> > Bob
> > 74 CJ-5
> >
> > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> >
> > > I agree Bob, but sometimes it "helps" to let the true "green
> > > environmentalists" get involved. None of us are doing anything
> > wrong, we DO
> > > respect the environment and our resources and we DO CARE. We
> > care about one
> > > another as well as our sport and what we face because of the
> > > extremists!....... Maybe if this person is "green" he will
> > simply gain more
> > > understanding of what the 4-wheeler recreationists are about...........
> > > We're not bad............ you and I know that but the
> > extremists have to
> > > blame someone if they want to WIN their cause. Remember.......... the
> > > number one thing that's helping them WIN is
> > MONEY$$$$$$$$$$$$.............
> > > I'm feeling they're running a little scared right now because
> > they see the
> > > NUMBERS within OHV Recreation and are following the law suits
> > brought forth
> > > by the OHV groups across the country. Won't convince me they're not
> > > beginning to panic............. they should be. Doesn't sound
> > to me that
> > > any of you are willing to sit back and let these guys limit
> > everything to
> > > "Endangered Species" areas; "Dust" problem areas; "Cultural";
> > "Historical";
> > > etc......... and more than I am. LET THEM KNOW THAT...........
> > >
> > > I agree with Joey K.......... invite him in and get him involved. True
> > > colors tend to come out with time.
> > >
> > > Sandee
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: rlpii@u... [mailto:rlpii@u...]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:45 AM
> > > > To: Sandee McCullen
> > > > Cc: DesertJeep; 'AZVJC'
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree that a "Rational" attorney that would work for multi-use
> > > > would be, or
> > > > could be very beneficial. However, being a child of the
> > 60"s, I am a bit
> > > > paranoid when, in this case no vehicle information in his
> > > > profile, there does
> > > > not appear to be a reason why he would want to be associated with
> > > > our group
> > > > (?). Sort of makes you wonder . . . .
> > > > Bob
> > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > >
> > > > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Environmental Attorney" as in "GREEN" or "RATIONAL"???? There
> > > > are a number
> > > > > of "environmentalists" out there that are normal, rational
> > > > people that can
> > > > > accept "multi-use recreation". We all have our own
> > > > "recreation" and that's
> > > > > the RIGHT of the American people.......... it's when the
> > > > environmentalists
> > > > > that are "over the line" into wanting our lands to be as before
> > > > "Columbus'
> > > > > time" where we have to fight for our individual
> > > > rights............. Some of
> > > > > our problems are our own fault..... we have not all been
> > > > "Treading Lightly"
> > > > > nor "considering the resources or their values" when you should have
> > > > > been........... the "NUMBERS" that have increased in the past
> > > > 5 years or so
> > > > > have brought any and all "land issues", "preservation",
> > > > "conservation" yada
> > > > > yada to the front page................ NUMBERS will cause
> > "significant
> > > > > impact" in some areas and this is the KEY word within the OHV
> > > > Strategy Plan
> > > > > from National level BLM................ this is the key
> > word we can and
> > > > > MUST use to FIGHT those that simply want everything closed
> > to "protect
> > > > > SOMETHING".
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be wonderful to have an attorney that can work
> > with "multi-use"
> > > > > rights!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sandee
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:15 AM
> > > > > > To: rlpii@u...; 'AZVJC'
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cool (I think). Someone to keep us honest. If you got his
> > > > Email welcome
> > > > > > him to the conglomerate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joey K
> > > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:09 AM
> > > > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone note that we now have an "Environmental Attorney" as
> > > > > > a member (Brian Luse)?
> > > > > > With no vehicle information listed?
> > > > > > hmmmmmmmmm?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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>
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47649 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:57am
Subject: Crater Lake


Your "gut" instinct might be right on line guys.........

Check out: http://www.walkingconnection.com/Ari..._Flagstaff.htm

This address has two "underscores" between
Arizona_Hikes_Flagstaff...............

Sandee


47650 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 0:17pm
Subject: Re: Crater Lake


Sounds like an experienced 4 wheeler might be able to make it all the way to
the lake. (just kidding) :-)
It does sound like a nice hike though!

Bob
(If the Good Lord wanted us to hike, then why did he make Jeeps?) )
74 CJ-5

Sandee McCullen wrote:

> Your "gut" instinct might be right on line guys.........
>
> Check out: http://www.walkingconnection.com/Ari..._Flagstaff.htm
>
> This address has two "underscores" between
> Arizona_Hikes_Flagstaff...............
>
> Sandee
>
>
>
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47651 From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 0:22pm
Subject: Re: AIR BAG SWITCH


My girlfriend is 4 foot 9 inches tall, and has to sit dangerously close to
the airbag while driving her '94 ZJ.. will that fix work on hers too?

--Bryan

original message:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:10:37 -0700
From: "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...>
Subject: RE: Air Bag Switch

Rob Williams knows how. He told me until I informed I had a 98 1/2
which had the new key switch.
David

-----Original Message-----
From: kcvehr [mailto:kc@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:09 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Air Bag Switch


I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with putting a manual
override switch on the passenger side air bag ('98 TJ). There are times
when I would like to have my daughter ride up front with me but with the
air bag in place it's not an option. TIA, KC Vehr


47652 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 0:30pm
Subject: RE: Re: different steering setup


I wish randy would speak up on this. There are better heim and johnny
joints that others. The really expensive ones would work well

-----Original Message-----
From: jetowle2000 [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:36 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: different steering setup



At the bottom of the second page, "this steering system is intended for
off highway use only" Johny Joints, YUCK.

--James

--- In az_vjc@y..., Mike & Karen Acuna <macunasprint@e...> wrote:
> Has anyone seen this steering setup yet? It is featured in this
months
> Four Wheeler magazine. Hey Joe, I think this one is made of
> Kryptonite8>)
> Mike




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47653 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 0:38pm
Subject: RE: Crater Lake


I would suggest Mike contact this guy and if he is not forth coming I
strongly recommend elimination form this private group ASAP.
Until we hear back from Mike I will not post here.
Ross

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:58 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Crater Lake


Your "gut" instinct might be right on line guys.........

Check out: http://www.walkingconnection.com/Ari..._Flagstaff.htm

This address has two "underscores" between
Arizona_Hikes_Flagstaff...............

Sandee




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47654 From: whooven2 <bill@j...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 0:52pm
Subject: Re: Antenna preference


Same here. Although I had to remove the heavy duty spring I got for
it. After TDS (Tierra del Sol Desert Safari) this year we were
driving home with the top off and my 4 foot Firestick was bent at 90
degrees, whipping around in a big circle. Thank goodness we have the
expanded sport bar in the rear of our YJ or my son would have a mark
on the side of his head! Plus, reception would go in and out on the
trail when the spring flexed.

Bill
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com


--- In az_vjc@y..., "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> No complaints with my 4' Firestick... -Rob
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > Why likes which antenna for their cb and why?
> > David Withers


47655 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:17pm
Subject: RE: RE: If you've received help with your rig; get off your butt and help someone else.


David,

You bring up a good question....how useful am I when I don't know much about
working on Jeeps?

Depending on the job, you can be VERY helpful. When we were at ChrisK's
house and helping Les get his new D44 under this TJ, we had three pairs of
hands at the exact time we were trying to line up the axle with the control
arm brackets. Balancing that D44 on the floor jack and positioning into
place would have been easier with a 4th set of hands at that point in time.

On the flip side of the coin.....if a guy is doing an AA SYE install (and he
has never done one) and you have never done a SYE install....well, you
probably would not be as much help given that scenario. BUT....then again,
I had never even cracked open a transfer case until I did my own Tera 4:1
and 2LO. (in fact, I had never pulled one off of a vehicle before....and
the guy that came over to help me....who is not in this club.....is blind
too!)

So....maybe I am sayign that you shouldn't sell yourself short. And it is a
really good idea to contact the person that is requesting the help and
explain it to him/her. They can hopefully tell you if they believe your
assistance would be of benefit or not.

And last but not least....don't pass up an opportunity to watch and learn,
at the very least. That is how we all become better at doing new things.


Timber Chucker!


Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com


-----Original Message-----
From: David Cole [mailto:wldc10@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:48 AM
To: arizonajeep@c...
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] RE: If you've received help with your rig; get off
your butt and help someone else.


Question then, how useful/helpful would someone without (automotive)
mechanical knowledge be to someone asking for help on their rig? I
unfortunately don't have the knowledge to help, but I would willingly
be an extra pair of hands and am ready for some "on-the-job" training.

I'm currently at the point where I'm slowly modifying by stock XJ for
trail use. I have asked for help from the ArizonaXJ list to install
factory skidplates. I highly prefer not to fall into the trap of not
being able to return the favor to someone someday.

David
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47656 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:07pm
Subject: Re: If you've received help with your rig; get off your butt and help someone else. Was: RE: Installed/?


I have to agree with you Joe, although there really has only been 2
people to help me on my Jeep, but I really don't care if I help
someone, and they say they can't help me. I spend more time with my
wife and my 2 year old and 4 month old then I do working on my own
Jeep. I could care less if I helped someone else, and they could not
help me. As my wife says, "You spend more time working on other
peoples Jeeps than you do yours". There is something wrong with that
sentance, means I don't spend enough $$$ on my own Jeep !!

Rob, I am very sorry I couldn't help you out last weekend. This
happend to Jake Wagner a few months ago too. Unfortunatly he posted
it on a Tuesday, and he was doing it on Saturday. I have my weekends
planned in advance, and my family does come first. Some of you might
think that sounds rude, but it is true. I am more than willing to
help and even HAVE hosted a few wrenching parties too.

Mike Baney


47657 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Environmental Attorney


Crater lake is in Oregon and it is a national monument/park pretty sure
there is no wheeling allowed unless it is on paved roads.

Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Environmental Attorney


>
> He put a trail preference as Crater Lake, where is Crater Lake and is
> there any wheeling allowed there? This might be a clue to his
> alliance.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., rlpii@q... wrote:
> > Anyone note that we now have an "Environmental Attorney" as
> > a member (Brian Luse)?
> > With no vehicle information listed?
> > hmmmmmmmmm?
> >
> > Bob
> > 74 CJ-5
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>


47658 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:04pm
Subject: RE: Re: Environmental Attorney


There is also a "Crater Lake" outside Flagstaff Arizona......... HIKING.
Again........ check out:
http://www.walkingconnection.com/Ari..._Flagstaff.htm

There's probably not any "wheel'n" around the Arizona Crater Lake either.
S.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Wixom [mailto:h8pvmnt@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:31 PM
> To: jetowle2000
> Cc: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Environmental Attorney
>
>
> Crater lake is in Oregon and it is a national monument/park pretty sure
> there is no wheeling allowed unless it is on paved roads.
>
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:32 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Environmental Attorney
>
>
> >
> > He put a trail preference as Crater Lake, where is Crater Lake and is
> > there any wheeling allowed there? This might be a clue to his
> > alliance.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., rlpii@q... wrote:
> > > Anyone note that we now have an "Environmental Attorney" as
> > > a member (Brian Luse)?
> > > With no vehicle information listed?
> > > hmmmmmmmmm?
> > >
> > > Bob
> > > 74 CJ-5
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
>



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47659 From: Joe West <joew@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:14pm
Subject: RE: Crater Lake


It would be a huge mistake to try and remove anyone from this ABSOLUTELY NOT
private list... regardless of who or what the person it.

Are we taking stupid pills here? Does anyone on this list think that
someone, ANYONE couldn't sign up under any name they like? So... we
eliminate this guy from the group and he signs back up as Eric K. Green and
away we go... none the brighter.

Please... let's not even discuss kicking someone off of the group because of
who they are or what they believe...
To even consider doing so would be pure stupidity.

Joe West



> I would suggest Mike contact this guy and if he is not forth coming I
> strongly recommend elimination form this private group ASAP.
> Until we hear back from Mike I will not post here.
> Ross
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:58 PM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Crater Lake
>
>
> Your "gut" instinct might be right on line guys.........
>
> Check out: http://www.walkingconnection.com/Ari..._Flagstaff.htm
>
> This address has two "underscores" between
> Arizona_Hikes_Flagstaff...............
>
> Sandee
>
>
>
>
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47660 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:16pm
Subject: Re: ignition, starter, voodoo?


You have an XJ right? My brothers does that too, if you shift it out
of park and then back in, it works. There is a loose connection
somewhere. Sorry I can't tell you where, but I will ask my brother
and see if he ever found it.

Mike Baney


--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joey Martinez" <joey@w...> wrote:
> A weird thing happend to me two days in a row. So I pull up to the
new Mobil on the I-10 and 115th Ave. Get out, put gas in and turn the
ignition. Nothing. So I turn it the other way for the stereo, turns
right on. Try the ignition again, starts right up. That was
yesterday, today, same thing happend the first time ( I forgot my
wallet and had to go back home) The second time no problem. This has
not happend anywhere else but that Mobil. Anyone have a clue? I
thought it was a little weird to happen two days in a row at the same
place. Any thoughts?
>
>
> TIA
> 94xjoe


47661 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:18pm
Subject: Re: Environmental Attorney


You know, I think that we are making waaayyyyyyy too much of a big deal out
of this. If I were one of "them" and the worst type, I would simply sign up
to the list as "Billy Bob Jeeper", owning a whatever type of Jeep and join
in all the conversations, and no one would probably never know the
difference, correct ?
So just because someone says that they're an "Environmental Attorney" we
all wanna knee jerk freak out, as though they were no chance that someone
else on this list isn't one of "them" because they are listing themselves as
such.
What do we have to hide and why ?
How many members are on this list that are subscribed and described as
"Jeepers" or whatever ?? Wasn't, or isn't it over 1000 ??
What makes anyone think that there isn't at least one of "them", simply
listing themselves as a hardcore Jeeper, or whatever ?
I don't see what the fuss is about. This list and "membership" is completely
open to whomever wants to subscribed and call themselves a 4 wheeler, right
??
There isn't anyone doing background checks, so, *expect* one or more of
"them" to be here. If we don't, I think that we're being pretty naive.
Are you going to believe everyone's profile ?
I think we are being pretty silly if we do


Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: <rlpii@q...>
To: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
Cc: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>; "'AZVJC'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney


> Sandee,
> No argument from me on anything you say. My concern would only stem from
the
> fact that the AZVJC has a lot of open and frank email "conversations" and
it
> would certainly be a negative if one of these emails, even though it was
sent in
> jest or to simply get a reaction, were to be taken out of context and used
> against land use advocates. Does the name ENRON ring a bell :-) Emails
can be
> very damaging.
> I had never really thought much about the content of our emails until I
noticed
> this new member's occupation, and it dawned on me that anyone and everyone
has
> access to these emails and some of them could be misconstrued to admitting
that
> some OHV users do cause damage to the environment.
> Just food for thought, I am certainly not advocating the "Big O" or
limiting our
> membership in anyway. Just something to think about when we compose our
next
> email.
> Bob
> 74 CJ-5
>
> Sandee McCullen wrote:
>
> > I agree Bob, but sometimes it "helps" to let the true "green
> > environmentalists" get involved. None of us are doing anything wrong,
we DO
> > respect the environment and our resources and we DO CARE. We care about
one
> > another as well as our sport and what we face because of the
> > extremists!....... Maybe if this person is "green" he will simply gain
more
> > understanding of what the 4-wheeler recreationists are about...........
> > We're not bad............ you and I know that but the extremists have
to
> > blame someone if they want to WIN their cause. Remember.......... the
> > number one thing that's helping them WIN is
MONEY$$$$$$$$$$$$.............
> > I'm feeling they're running a little scared right now because they see
the
> > NUMBERS within OHV Recreation and are following the law suits brought
forth
> > by the OHV groups across the country. Won't convince me they're not
> > beginning to panic............. they should be. Doesn't sound to me
that
> > any of you are willing to sit back and let these guys limit everything
to
> > "Endangered Species" areas; "Dust" problem areas; "Cultural";
"Historical";
> > etc......... and more than I am. LET THEM KNOW THAT...........
> >
> > I agree with Joey K.......... invite him in and get him involved. True
> > colors tend to come out with time.
> >
> > Sandee
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rlpii@u... [mailto:rlpii@u...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:45 AM
> > > To: Sandee McCullen
> > > Cc: DesertJeep; 'AZVJC'
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree that a "Rational" attorney that would work for multi-use
> > > would be, or
> > > could be very beneficial. However, being a child of the 60"s, I am a
bit
> > > paranoid when, in this case no vehicle information in his
> > > profile, there does
> > > not appear to be a reason why he would want to be associated with
> > > our group
> > > (?). Sort of makes you wonder . . . .
> > > Bob
> > > 74 CJ-5
> > >
> > > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Environmental Attorney" as in "GREEN" or "RATIONAL"???? There
> > > are a number
> > > > of "environmentalists" out there that are normal, rational
> > > people that can
> > > > accept "multi-use recreation". We all have our own
> > > "recreation" and that's
> > > > the RIGHT of the American people.......... it's when the
> > > environmentalists
> > > > that are "over the line" into wanting our lands to be as before
> > > "Columbus'
> > > > time" where we have to fight for our individual
> > > rights............. Some of
> > > > our problems are our own fault..... we have not all been
> > > "Treading Lightly"
> > > > nor "considering the resources or their values" when you should have
> > > > been........... the "NUMBERS" that have increased in the past
> > > 5 years or so
> > > > have brought any and all "land issues", "preservation",
> > > "conservation" yada
> > > > yada to the front page................ NUMBERS will cause
"significant
> > > > impact" in some areas and this is the KEY word within the OHV
> > > Strategy Plan
> > > > from National level BLM................ this is the key word we can
and
> > > > MUST use to FIGHT those that simply want everything closed to
"protect
> > > > SOMETHING".
> > > >
> > > > It would be wonderful to have an attorney that can work with
"multi-use"
> > > > rights!
> > > >
> > > > Sandee
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:15 AM
> > > > > To: rlpii@u...; 'AZVJC'
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cool (I think). Someone to keep us honest. If you got his
> > > Email welcome
> > > > > him to the conglomerate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joey K
> > > > > 93YJ
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:09 AM
> > > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone note that we now have an "Environmental Attorney" as
> > > > > a member (Brian Luse)?
> > > > > With no vehicle information listed?
> > > > > hmmmmmmmmm?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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47662 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:23pm
Subject: Re: SYE Question


Yes, you will have to drop another $190 for a new CV driveshaft. The
$100 one is a "hack and tap" style. You pull your existing tail
shaft, hack it off, then tap it so the new yoke end will bolt to it.
Is it good??? Some people that are running them seem to think so.

Mike Baney



--- In az_vjc@y..., "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> I understand what an SYE is and the pourpose, I also understand you
> need a new CV drive shaft when you convert to the SYE. My question
> is these SYE kits they have listed at different shops some a $100
> and some are $350 (the Heavy Duty Kits). Do any of these kits come
> with the CV Drive shaft? If I buy the $300 RE SYE am I going to
have
> to drop another $200 for the new drive shaft also? I just need to
> know what I have to budget for! -Rob


47663 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:18pm
Subject: RE: Crater Lake


I agree with Joe 100%............. as I stated in my previous
post........... this could work to our advantage. EDUCATION is the answer
to most of the "environmental" problems before us. From ALL sides. The
bigger numbers of the extremists view OHV as the "killer" of the
environment........ but not all. If this guy is looking at "digging up
information" he's not going to find anything other than "MOST OHV
RECREATIONISTS ARE COOL........ AND DO RESPECT OUR LANDS". Yes, there are
some yahoos within 4-wheeling as there are within hiking groups, hunting
groups, equestrian yada yada. ......... that do not, and probably never
will, respect the land or resources but the agencies KNOW this. I'm
rambling again......... Sorry. I guess bottom line is: DON'T MAKE THEM
THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE............ WE DON'T. S.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joew@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:14 PM
> To: 'AZVJC (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Crater Lake
>
>
> It would be a huge mistake to try and remove anyone from this
> ABSOLUTELY NOT
> private list... regardless of who or what the person it.
>
> Are we taking stupid pills here? Does anyone on this list think that
> someone, ANYONE couldn't sign up under any name they like? So... we
> eliminate this guy from the group and he signs back up as Eric K.
> Green and
> away we go... none the brighter.
>
> Please... let's not even discuss kicking someone off of the group
> because of
> who they are or what they believe...
> To even consider doing so would be pure stupidity.
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
> > I would suggest Mike contact this guy and if he is not forth coming I
> > strongly recommend elimination form this private group ASAP.
> > Until we hear back from Mike I will not post here.
> > Ross
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:58 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Crater Lake
> >
> >
> > Your "gut" instinct might be right on line guys.........
> >
> > Check out: http://www.walkingconnection.com/Ari..._Flagstaff.htm
> >
> > This address has two "underscores" between
> > Arizona_Hikes_Flagstaff...............
> >
> > Sandee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
>


47664 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:23pm
Subject: RE: Environmental Attorney


Fred's made a good point..............
Another thing to think about............ an "environmental attorney" does
not, in it's name, mean he/she's "green". Environmental Attorneys also deal
with "chemical dumps" and these type issues. Maybe??
S.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:18 PM
> To: Sandee McCullen; 'AZVJC'
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
>
>
> You know, I think that we are making waaayyyyyyy too much of a
> big deal out
> of this. If I were one of "them" and the worst type, I would
> simply sign up
> to the list as "Billy Bob Jeeper", owning a whatever type of Jeep and join
> in all the conversations, and no one would probably never know the
> difference, correct ?
> So just because someone says that they're an "Environmental Attorney" we
> all wanna knee jerk freak out, as though they were no chance that someone
> else on this list isn't one of "them" because they are listing
> themselves as
> such.
> What do we have to hide and why ?
> How many members are on this list that are subscribed and described as
> "Jeepers" or whatever ?? Wasn't, or isn't it over 1000 ??
> What makes anyone think that there isn't at least one of "them", simply
> listing themselves as a hardcore Jeeper, or whatever ?
> I don't see what the fuss is about. This list and "membership" is
> completely
> open to whomever wants to subscribed and call themselves a 4
> wheeler, right
> ??
> There isn't anyone doing background checks, so, *expect* one or more of
> "them" to be here. If we don't, I think that we're being pretty naive.
> Are you going to believe everyone's profile ?
> I think we are being pretty silly if we do
>
>
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rlpii@q...>
> To: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> Cc: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>; "'AZVJC'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
>
>
> > Sandee,
> > No argument from me on anything you say. My concern would only
> stem from
> the
> > fact that the AZVJC has a lot of open and frank email
> "conversations" and
> it
> > would certainly be a negative if one of these emails, even though it was
> sent in
> > jest or to simply get a reaction, were to be taken out of
> context and used
> > against land use advocates. Does the name ENRON ring a bell :-) Emails
> can be
> > very damaging.
> > I had never really thought much about the content of our emails until I
> noticed
> > this new member's occupation, and it dawned on me that anyone
> and everyone
> has
> > access to these emails and some of them could be misconstrued
> to admitting
> that
> > some OHV users do cause damage to the environment.
> > Just food for thought, I am certainly not advocating the "Big O" or
> limiting our
> > membership in anyway. Just something to think about when we compose our
> next
> > email.
> > Bob
> > 74 CJ-5
> >
> > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> >
> > > I agree Bob, but sometimes it "helps" to let the true "green
> > > environmentalists" get involved. None of us are doing anything wrong,
> we DO
> > > respect the environment and our resources and we DO CARE. We
> care about
> one
> > > another as well as our sport and what we face because of the
> > > extremists!....... Maybe if this person is "green" he will
> simply gain
> more
> > > understanding of what the 4-wheeler recreationists are
> about...........
> > > We're not bad............ you and I know that but the extremists have
> to
> > > blame someone if they want to WIN their cause. Remember.......... the
> > > number one thing that's helping them WIN is
> MONEY$$$$$$$$$$$$.............
> > > I'm feeling they're running a little scared right now because they see
> the
> > > NUMBERS within OHV Recreation and are following the law suits brought
> forth
> > > by the OHV groups across the country. Won't convince me they're not
> > > beginning to panic............. they should be. Doesn't sound to me
> that
> > > any of you are willing to sit back and let these guys limit everything
> to
> > > "Endangered Species" areas; "Dust" problem areas; "Cultural";
> "Historical";
> > > etc......... and more than I am. LET THEM KNOW THAT...........
> > >
> > > I agree with Joey K.......... invite him in and get him
> involved. True
> > > colors tend to come out with time.
> > >
> > > Sandee
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: rlpii@u... [mailto:rlpii@u...]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:45 AM
> > > > To: Sandee McCullen
> > > > Cc: DesertJeep; 'AZVJC'
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree that a "Rational" attorney that would work for multi-use
> > > > would be, or
> > > > could be very beneficial. However, being a child of the
> 60"s, I am a
> bit
> > > > paranoid when, in this case no vehicle information in his
> > > > profile, there does
> > > > not appear to be a reason why he would want to be associated with
> > > > our group
> > > > (?). Sort of makes you wonder . . . .
> > > > Bob
> > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > >
> > > > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Environmental Attorney" as in "GREEN" or "RATIONAL"???? There
> > > > are a number
> > > > > of "environmentalists" out there that are normal, rational
> > > > people that can
> > > > > accept "multi-use recreation". We all have our own
> > > > "recreation" and that's
> > > > > the RIGHT of the American people.......... it's when the
> > > > environmentalists
> > > > > that are "over the line" into wanting our lands to be as before
> > > > "Columbus'
> > > > > time" where we have to fight for our individual
> > > > rights............. Some of
> > > > > our problems are our own fault..... we have not all been
> > > > "Treading Lightly"
> > > > > nor "considering the resources or their values" when you
> should have
> > > > > been........... the "NUMBERS" that have increased in the past
> > > > 5 years or so
> > > > > have brought any and all "land issues", "preservation",
> > > > "conservation" yada
> > > > > yada to the front page................ NUMBERS will cause
> "significant
> > > > > impact" in some areas and this is the KEY word within the OHV
> > > > Strategy Plan
> > > > > from National level BLM................ this is the key
> word we can
> and
> > > > > MUST use to FIGHT those that simply want everything closed to
> "protect
> > > > > SOMETHING".
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be wonderful to have an attorney that can work with
> "multi-use"
> > > > > rights!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sandee
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:15 AM
> > > > > > To: rlpii@u...; 'AZVJC'
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cool (I think). Someone to keep us honest. If you got his
> > > > Email welcome
> > > > > > him to the conglomerate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joey K
> > > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:09 AM
> > > > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone note that we now have an "Environmental Attorney" as
> > > > > > a member (Brian Luse)?
> > > > > > With no vehicle information listed?
> > > > > > hmmmmmmmmm?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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47665 From: Richard Peterson <kazpainter@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 2:32pm
Subject: Re: Air Bag Switch


KC Vehr
I had switches put on for both the passenger and drivers side. You have to
find a garage that does the switches and get a permit to send into the Dept
of motor vehicles, and they have to OK it. (the auto shops should have the
permits)Also I think you can get on the web and get the permits. Then the
garage can put them in This is the legal way in Michigan.
Pete
kcvehr wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with putting a
> manual override switch on the passenger side air bag ('98 TJ). There
> are times when I would like to have my daughter ride up front with me
> but with the air bag in place it's not an option.
> TIA,
> KC Vehr
>
>
>
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47666 From: Jayke Thorpe <jeepboy_3@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:31pm
Subject: RE: Crater Lake


I don't think we should be in such an uproar because
of someones profession. Are we here to complain about
who is a member? I joined this club to learn about
my, and others jeeps. Also to find a group who enjoys
jeeping.

--- Joe West <joew@a...> wrote:
> It would be a huge mistake to try and remove anyone
> from this ABSOLUTELY NOT
> private list... regardless of who or what the person
> it.
>
> Are we taking stupid pills here? Does anyone on
> this list think that
> someone, ANYONE couldn't sign up under any name they
> like? So... we
> eliminate this guy from the group and he signs back
> up as Eric K. Green and
> away we go... none the brighter.
>
> Please... let's not even discuss kicking someone off
> of the group because of
> who they are or what they believe...
> To even consider doing so would be pure stupidity.
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
> > I would suggest Mike contact this guy and if he is
> not forth coming I
> > strongly recommend elimination form this private
> group ASAP.
> > Until we hear back from Mike I will not post here.
> > Ross
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sandee McCullen
> [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:58 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Crater Lake
> >
> >
> > Your "gut" instinct might be right on line
> guys.........
> >
> > Check out:
>
http://www.walkingconnection.com/Ari..._Flagstaff.htm
> >
> > This address has two "underscores" between
> > Arizona_Hikes_Flagstaff...............
> >
> > Sandee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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47667 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:59pm
Subject: RE: Environmental Attorney


Woah....chemical dump?

Wow....I've never tried Jeepin' in one of those before?

(do you think my tires would melt off?)

Timber Chucker!

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:23 PM
To: FredTJ; 'AZVJC'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney


Fred's made a good point..............
Another thing to think about............ an "environmental attorney" does
not, in it's name, mean he/she's "green". Environmental Attorneys also deal
with "chemical dumps" and these type issues. Maybe??
S.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:18 PM
> To: Sandee McCullen; 'AZVJC'
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
>
>
> You know, I think that we are making waaayyyyyyy too much of a
> big deal out
> of this. If I were one of "them" and the worst type, I would
> simply sign up
> to the list as "Billy Bob Jeeper", owning a whatever type of Jeep and join
> in all the conversations, and no one would probably never know the
> difference, correct ?
> So just because someone says that they're an "Environmental Attorney" we
> all wanna knee jerk freak out, as though they were no chance that someone
> else on this list isn't one of "them" because they are listing
> themselves as
> such.
> What do we have to hide and why ?
> How many members are on this list that are subscribed and described as
> "Jeepers" or whatever ?? Wasn't, or isn't it over 1000 ??
> What makes anyone think that there isn't at least one of "them", simply
> listing themselves as a hardcore Jeeper, or whatever ?
> I don't see what the fuss is about. This list and "membership" is
> completely
> open to whomever wants to subscribed and call themselves a 4
> wheeler, right
> ??
> There isn't anyone doing background checks, so, *expect* one or more of
> "them" to be here. If we don't, I think that we're being pretty naive.
> Are you going to believe everyone's profile ?
> I think we are being pretty silly if we do
>
>
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rlpii@q...>
> To: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> Cc: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>; "'AZVJC'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
>
>
> > Sandee,
> > No argument from me on anything you say. My concern would only
> stem from
> the
> > fact that the AZVJC has a lot of open and frank email
> "conversations" and
> it
> > would certainly be a negative if one of these emails, even though it was
> sent in
> > jest or to simply get a reaction, were to be taken out of
> context and used
> > against land use advocates. Does the name ENRON ring a bell :-) Emails
> can be
> > very damaging.
> > I had never really thought much about the content of our emails until I
> noticed
> > this new member's occupation, and it dawned on me that anyone
> and everyone
> has
> > access to these emails and some of them could be misconstrued
> to admitting
> that
> > some OHV users do cause damage to the environment.
> > Just food for thought, I am certainly not advocating the "Big O" or
> limiting our
> > membership in anyway. Just something to think about when we compose our
> next
> > email.
> > Bob
> > 74 CJ-5
> >
> > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> >
> > > I agree Bob, but sometimes it "helps" to let the true "green
> > > environmentalists" get involved. None of us are doing anything wrong,
> we DO
> > > respect the environment and our resources and we DO CARE. We
> care about
> one
> > > another as well as our sport and what we face because of the
> > > extremists!....... Maybe if this person is "green" he will
> simply gain
> more
> > > understanding of what the 4-wheeler recreationists are
> about...........
> > > We're not bad............ you and I know that but the extremists have
> to
> > > blame someone if they want to WIN their cause. Remember.......... the
> > > number one thing that's helping them WIN is
> MONEY$$$$$$$$$$$$.............
> > > I'm feeling they're running a little scared right now because they see
> the
> > > NUMBERS within OHV Recreation and are following the law suits brought
> forth
> > > by the OHV groups across the country. Won't convince me they're not
> > > beginning to panic............. they should be. Doesn't sound to me
> that
> > > any of you are willing to sit back and let these guys limit everything
> to
> > > "Endangered Species" areas; "Dust" problem areas; "Cultural";
> "Historical";
> > > etc......... and more than I am. LET THEM KNOW THAT...........
> > >
> > > I agree with Joey K.......... invite him in and get him
> involved. True
> > > colors tend to come out with time.
> > >
> > > Sandee
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: rlpii@u... [mailto:rlpii@u...]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:45 AM
> > > > To: Sandee McCullen
> > > > Cc: DesertJeep; 'AZVJC'
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree that a "Rational" attorney that would work for multi-use
> > > > would be, or
> > > > could be very beneficial. However, being a child of the
> 60"s, I am a
> bit
> > > > paranoid when, in this case no vehicle information in his
> > > > profile, there does
> > > > not appear to be a reason why he would want to be associated with
> > > > our group
> > > > (?). Sort of makes you wonder . . . .
> > > > Bob
> > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > >
> > > > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Environmental Attorney" as in "GREEN" or "RATIONAL"???? There
> > > > are a number
> > > > > of "environmentalists" out there that are normal, rational
> > > > people that can
> > > > > accept "multi-use recreation". We all have our own
> > > > "recreation" and that's
> > > > > the RIGHT of the American people.......... it's when the
> > > > environmentalists
> > > > > that are "over the line" into wanting our lands to be as before
> > > > "Columbus'
> > > > > time" where we have to fight for our individual
> > > > rights............. Some of
> > > > > our problems are our own fault..... we have not all been
> > > > "Treading Lightly"
> > > > > nor "considering the resources or their values" when you
> should have
> > > > > been........... the "NUMBERS" that have increased in the past
> > > > 5 years or so
> > > > > have brought any and all "land issues", "preservation",
> > > > "conservation" yada
> > > > > yada to the front page................ NUMBERS will cause
> "significant
> > > > > impact" in some areas and this is the KEY word within the OHV
> > > > Strategy Plan
> > > > > from National level BLM................ this is the key
> word we can
> and
> > > > > MUST use to FIGHT those that simply want everything closed to
> "protect
> > > > > SOMETHING".
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be wonderful to have an attorney that can work with
> "multi-use"
> > > > > rights!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sandee
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:15 AM
> > > > > > To: rlpii@u...; 'AZVJC'
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cool (I think). Someone to keep us honest. If you got his
> > > > Email welcome
> > > > > > him to the conglomerate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joey K
> > > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:09 AM
> > > > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone note that we now have an "Environmental Attorney" as
> > > > > > a member (Brian Luse)?
> > > > > > With no vehicle information listed?
> > > > > > hmmmmmmmmm?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > > > >
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47668 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 1:46pm
Subject: Re: Environmental Attorney


Stu,
A carefully placed timber or two and there's no telling how far you can go . .
. .
Bob
74 CJ-5

Stu Olson wrote:

> Woah....chemical dump?
>
> Wow....I've never tried Jeepin' in one of those before?
>
> (do you think my tires would melt off?)
>
> Timber Chucker!
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:23 PM
> To: FredTJ; 'AZVJC'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
>
> Fred's made a good point..............
> Another thing to think about............ an "environmental attorney" does
> not, in it's name, mean he/she's "green". Environmental Attorneys also deal
> with "chemical dumps" and these type issues. Maybe??
> S.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:18 PM
> > To: Sandee McCullen; 'AZVJC'
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> >
> >
> > You know, I think that we are making waaayyyyyyy too much of a
> > big deal out
> > of this. If I were one of "them" and the worst type, I would
> > simply sign up
> > to the list as "Billy Bob Jeeper", owning a whatever type of Jeep and join
> > in all the conversations, and no one would probably never know the
> > difference, correct ?
> > So just because someone says that they're an "Environmental Attorney" we
> > all wanna knee jerk freak out, as though they were no chance that someone
> > else on this list isn't one of "them" because they are listing
> > themselves as
> > such.
> > What do we have to hide and why ?
> > How many members are on this list that are subscribed and described as
> > "Jeepers" or whatever ?? Wasn't, or isn't it over 1000 ??
> > What makes anyone think that there isn't at least one of "them", simply
> > listing themselves as a hardcore Jeeper, or whatever ?
> > I don't see what the fuss is about. This list and "membership" is
> > completely
> > open to whomever wants to subscribed and call themselves a 4
> > wheeler, right
> > ??
> > There isn't anyone doing background checks, so, *expect* one or more of
> > "them" to be here. If we don't, I think that we're being pretty naive.
> > Are you going to believe everyone's profile ?
> > I think we are being pretty silly if we do
> >
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <rlpii@q...>
> > To: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
> > Cc: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>; "'AZVJC'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> >
> >
> > > Sandee,
> > > No argument from me on anything you say. My concern would only
> > stem from
> > the
> > > fact that the AZVJC has a lot of open and frank email
> > "conversations" and
> > it
> > > would certainly be a negative if one of these emails, even though it was
> > sent in
> > > jest or to simply get a reaction, were to be taken out of
> > context and used
> > > against land use advocates. Does the name ENRON ring a bell :-) Emails
> > can be
> > > very damaging.
> > > I had never really thought much about the content of our emails until I
> > noticed
> > > this new member's occupation, and it dawned on me that anyone
> > and everyone
> > has
> > > access to these emails and some of them could be misconstrued
> > to admitting
> > that
> > > some OHV users do cause damage to the environment.
> > > Just food for thought, I am certainly not advocating the "Big O" or
> > limiting our
> > > membership in anyway. Just something to think about when we compose our
> > next
> > > email.
> > > Bob
> > > 74 CJ-5
> > >
> > > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree Bob, but sometimes it "helps" to let the true "green
> > > > environmentalists" get involved. None of us are doing anything wrong,
> > we DO
> > > > respect the environment and our resources and we DO CARE. We
> > care about
> > one
> > > > another as well as our sport and what we face because of the
> > > > extremists!....... Maybe if this person is "green" he will
> > simply gain
> > more
> > > > understanding of what the 4-wheeler recreationists are
> > about...........
> > > > We're not bad............ you and I know that but the extremists have
> > to
> > > > blame someone if they want to WIN their cause. Remember.......... the
> > > > number one thing that's helping them WIN is
> > MONEY$$$$$$$$$$$$.............
> > > > I'm feeling they're running a little scared right now because they see
> > the
> > > > NUMBERS within OHV Recreation and are following the law suits brought
> > forth
> > > > by the OHV groups across the country. Won't convince me they're not
> > > > beginning to panic............. they should be. Doesn't sound to me
> > that
> > > > any of you are willing to sit back and let these guys limit everything
> > to
> > > > "Endangered Species" areas; "Dust" problem areas; "Cultural";
> > "Historical";
> > > > etc......... and more than I am. LET THEM KNOW THAT...........
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Joey K.......... invite him in and get him
> > involved. True
> > > > colors tend to come out with time.
> > > >
> > > > Sandee
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: rlpii@u... [mailto:rlpii@u...]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:45 AM
> > > > > To: Sandee McCullen
> > > > > Cc: DesertJeep; 'AZVJC'
> > > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree that a "Rational" attorney that would work for multi-use
> > > > > would be, or
> > > > > could be very beneficial. However, being a child of the
> > 60"s, I am a
> > bit
> > > > > paranoid when, in this case no vehicle information in his
> > > > > profile, there does
> > > > > not appear to be a reason why he would want to be associated with
> > > > > our group
> > > > > (?). Sort of makes you wonder . . . .
> > > > > Bob
> > > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > > >
> > > > > Sandee McCullen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Environmental Attorney" as in "GREEN" or "RATIONAL"???? There
> > > > > are a number
> > > > > > of "environmentalists" out there that are normal, rational
> > > > > people that can
> > > > > > accept "multi-use recreation". We all have our own
> > > > > "recreation" and that's
> > > > > > the RIGHT of the American people.......... it's when the
> > > > > environmentalists
> > > > > > that are "over the line" into wanting our lands to be as before
> > > > > "Columbus'
> > > > > > time" where we have to fight for our individual
> > > > > rights............. Some of
> > > > > > our problems are our own fault..... we have not all been
> > > > > "Treading Lightly"
> > > > > > nor "considering the resources or their values" when you
> > should have
> > > > > > been........... the "NUMBERS" that have increased in the past
> > > > > 5 years or so
> > > > > > have brought any and all "land issues", "preservation",
> > > > > "conservation" yada
> > > > > > yada to the front page................ NUMBERS will cause
> > "significant
> > > > > > impact" in some areas and this is the KEY word within the OHV
> > > > > Strategy Plan
> > > > > > from National level BLM................ this is the key
> > word we can
> > and
> > > > > > MUST use to FIGHT those that simply want everything closed to
> > "protect
> > > > > > SOMETHING".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be wonderful to have an attorney that can work with
> > "multi-use"
> > > > > > rights!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sandee
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:15 AM
> > > > > > > To: rlpii@u...; 'AZVJC'
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cool (I think). Someone to keep us honest. If you got his
> > > > > Email welcome
> > > > > > > him to the conglomerate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joey K
> > > > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:09 AM
> > > > > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Environmental Attorney
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone note that we now have an "Environmental Attorney" as
> > > > > > > a member (Brian Luse)?
> > > > > > > With no vehicle information listed?
> > > > > > > hmmmmmmmmm?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > > 74 CJ-5
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