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18220 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@n...>
Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 11:11pm
Subject: My cut bumper
Hey all, thanks for the bumper cutting help. I think I'll have Pete do it
since I'll tentively be at his place anyways for a quick weld.
Nick
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18221 From: <Vandiggity22@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 0:22am
Subject: Box canyon/coke ovens 2/3-4/01?
Is the trip from this last weekend to box canyon being rescheduled
for this weekend? If it's not would anybody else be interested in
making this run?
Shane Van Dyke
Vandiggity22@a...
18222 From: <DAVISis@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 5:13am
Subject: NON-AZVJC run this sat
Sorry, not all Jeep. A few friends are meeting at the green gate of
the coves at 9AM. Bryan Ellis (VJC) will be there. A buddy just
lifted his Tahoe and wants to see how it performs. All are welcome
to come play.
Glen
18223 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 5:40am
Subject: Re: need advice about steering on a TJ
Bump steer is caused by having too large of an angle between the drag
link and tie rod. In this case, changes in the distance between the
axle and the chassis (like when you hit a bump) result in lateral forces
being applied to the drag link. Either the steering wheel spins to
one side or the wheels turn to one side during this event.
A drop pitman arm may help eliminate bump steer. But you need to make
sure you have the clearance to run one. For example, on my YJ, the
zerk fitting at the end of my pitman arm rubs my tie rod under extreme
articulation.
Other things like stronger tie rods and tie rod ends make your rig
stronger. They don't address bump steer. Neither do those "S"-shaped
drag links - those only provide clearance around parts (like leaf
springs in a spring-over configuration). I suppose replacing some of
these other parts might improve your sloppiness if you replace parts
that use to flex or had loose tolerances with stronger parts that have
tighter tolerances. Beefing up some of the bracketry might help also.
TJ owners will have to comment on these areas.
-Roger
Kris Jones wrote:
>
> Hi everyone. I recently had an email saying that my jeep was for
> sale, but we decided to keep it.
> Anyways i have a question about the steering. I know that it's a
> common problem to have bumpsteer and sloppiness in the steering when
> you get a lift and big tires. But my dad and i would like to know if
> there are any products, adjustments, or something like that to help
> clean up the steering response.
> Any advice or tips to help us out would be GREAT! thanks!
>
> Oh, yeah. We have a '97 TJ with a 2" body lift, 3" suspension lift,
> and 33x12.5x15 BFG AT's. Thanks a lot!
18224 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 5:58am
Subject: FS: Original TJ Tires/Rims
For Sale: Original stock tires/rims (see attached picture for rims) 5 spoke,
4 ea, Tires Wrangler GS-A 17,000 miles on them (225/75R 15), also the
original spare. Take them all home for $300.
--James
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18225 From: Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 6:21am
Subject: Re: WTB CJ
I know a guy that's moving out of state and getting
rid of a cj5 he was in the process of rebuilding for
$1000. it's rusty but he has the panels to replace
the rusty ones. right now it's in the middle of a
frame off restoration. it has the 3 speed and the
straight 6 and the carb has been replaced with a
holley 4 barrel.
reply if interested
--- chiena <chiena@e...> wrote:
> There's a 73 CJ5 in Gilbert for I think $2500.00 it
> has a six but looks like
> it just got a fresh coat of primer inside and out.
> The body has a couple of
> wrinkles if I remember right. But it say it has a
> whole brake system has
> been changed and some other stuff........let me know
> if you want the
> number......
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin" <nau88xj@h...>
> To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
> <swbjeep@m...>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:11 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] WTB CJ
>
>
> > does anybody have a cj, or know of a cj for sale
> that is not being sold by
> > some shady guy that has painted over the rust on
> the frame and has a
> > straight 6 engine and has just been taken care
> of?????? I found one and
> it
> > got away and i am pissed at myself about that one
> now....anybody?
> >
> > thanks,
> > kevin
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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18226 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 6:23am
Subject: RE: DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
It is very hard to "run" from Lake Pleasant to Crown King, as it is well over 30 miles and uphill most of the way.
However, your YJ is capable of getting through the trail. My first time on that trail was with less than what you have.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
-----Original Message-----
From: pdjpn@aol.com [mailto:pdjpn@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 22:28
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
HOW HARD IS IT TO RUN FROM PLEASANT TI CROWN KING?
I HAVE A 90 YJ WITH A 84,000 MILE 4 CYLINDER ENGINE. THE ONLY THING
I REALLY HAVE ON IT IS A 4'' PRO COMP SPRING LIFT, 31 13.50 SWAMPERS
AND SOME KC'S. SHOUKD I BE WORRIED ABOUT THE RED ROCK!
I WANT TO DO THE TRAIL BUT NOT SURE IF I CAN
PAUL
18227 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 6:29am
Subject: New poll for az_vjc
Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the az_vjc
group:
Please choose a backspacing amount on
your current Jeep rims.
o BS 5.5
o BS 5.0
o BS 4.75
o BS 4.50
o BS 4.25
o BS 4.00
o BS 3.75
o BS 3.50
o BS 3.25
o BS 3.00
o Less thn 3.00
o More than 5.50
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks!
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18228 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 6:22am
Subject: Re: backspacing
TJ asked me a question about backspacing and it caused me to look up some of my earlier links. I don't think I passed this one on so here it is. This is the most technical explanation of offset and backspace that I have seen. Good reference material.
http://www.usacomp.com/Offset.htm
The bottom line - The TJ Gambler rims have a backspace of 5.5". I don't know what the offset is. Most Jeeps seem to run between 3.5" and 4.5" - that range gives you decent clearance without causing unusual bearing stress. It would be interesting to see what others here have for backspacing so I set up a poll at yahoogroups. There should be an email out on it shortly.
Jon
18229 From: <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 6:35am
Subject: Re: need advice about steering on a TJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Bump steer is caused by having too large of an angle between the
drag
> link and tie rod.
Yup...Roger's right on. You can also experience bump steer if your
front axle was not centered. A lift will shift your front axle to the
left. An adjustable track bar will solve that problem.
18230 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 7:22am
Subject: Speedo gear questions
Where to buy? What tooth count for 33"s? What's a reasonable price?
Russ
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18231 From: Eric Marble <emarble3@p...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 8:29am
Subject: Fw: Fw: CLEAN UPS
----- Original Message -----
From: <HAN****1@aol.com>
To: <clay.forrester@lmco.com>; <crawl@flash.net>;
<BOB@robertporterconstruction.com>; <azredrocker@yahoo.com>;
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:28 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: CLEAN UPS
>
>
From: "Doug Schulz" saguaro6@h...
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Subject: Fw: CLEAN UPS
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:05:28 -0700
ACB'ers:
Here are some details below on a couple trail cleanups this weekend. Let's
try and make a good showing. I've done a couple recent ones, and the BLM
and Forest Service really appreciate the fact that there are responsible
four wheelers out there. They get so much evidence of the bad ones, they
are refreshed by seeing some cleaning up for a change. We really need them
on our side to continue to keep our 4x4 trails open. I was out at Lower
Sycamore a while back and it was a disaster with tons of litter and
cross-country trails cut everywhere. Come on out and do some good. Kids
love this stuff, too! Great way for them to earn those merit badges!
Doug Schulz
Secretary, Arizona Classic Broncos, Inc.
saguaro6@home.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandee McCullen" <McCullen@writeme.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:18 AM
Subject: CLEAN UPS
> REMINDER............
>
> There are two CLEAN UPS planned for this Saturday................. 9:00
> A.M. - NOONISH!
>
> One at lower Sycamore and one at M.P. 201 in Gold Canyon.........
>
> It's only an hour or two of your time guys........... but it can MAKE A
> DIFFERENCE in keeping access' open and/or trails available.
>
> DIRECTIONS:
>
> Hwy 60 east through Apache Junction to Mile Post 201. South side of
highway
> directly across the road from a new Bashas' grocery store.
>
> Beeline Hwy towards Payson to Mile Post 201 = 202. Go approx. 1/4 - 1/2
> mile past the Saguaro Lake turnoff and make a "U" turn across the center
> divider.
>
> Bring GLOVES and shovels and rakes if possible.
>
> See ya'll out there.............
>
> PLEASE SEND THIS ON TO YOUR MAILING LISTS
>
>
18232 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 7:38am
Subject: RE: DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
Normally Crown King is a piece of cake in a stock Jeep. There is one ledge that has been worse than usual the past 6 months. Somebody finally removed the ramp of rocks here and alot of vehicles turn back. The last couple times up I had to winch a couple vehicles over it. There usually is ice on the portion of the trail. One TJ has rolled of the cliff next to this obstacle recently, though I don't think it was an AZVJC member. One of the vehicles I winched, a Dodge Ram had his rear tires hanging off the dropoff. Another one, a YJ had both drivers side tires hanging off. We managed to get both back onto the trail with the use of a snatch block and winch. Be extremely careful on this obstacle this time of year! Be sure to travel with others.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
It is very hard to "run" from Lake Pleasant to Crown King, as it is well over 30 miles and uphill most of the way.
However, your YJ is capable of getting through the trail. My first time on that trail was with less than what you have.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
-----Original Message-----
From: pdjpn@aol.com [mailto:pdjpn@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 22:28
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
HOW HARD IS IT TO RUN FROM PLEASANT TI CROWN KING?
I HAVE A 90 YJ WITH A 84,000 MILE 4 CYLINDER ENGINE. THE ONLY THING
I REALLY HAVE ON IT IS A 4'' PRO COMP SPRING LIFT, 31 13.50 SWAMPERS
AND SOME KC'S. SHOUKD I BE WORRIED ABOUT THE RED ROCK!
I WANT TO DO THE TRAIL BUT NOT SURE IF I CAN
PAUL
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18233 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 7:56am
Subject: Re: backspacing
thanx again Jon.....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
I still miss my ex-wife.....but my aim IS improving
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18234 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 8:05am
Subject: Re: off topic, PC Tech Jokes
don't forget the important question: Just how long past 6 months should we give the tech to "think about the problem and get back to you"???????
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18235 From: <oveson2@j...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 9:01am
Subject: Re: Speedo gear questions
Have to know Diff gear ratio along with tire size before this
question can be answered. I found the best price to be any Jeep
dealer, got mine for $11 plus change.
Lyle
--- In az_vjc@y..., Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...> wrote:
>
18236 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 9:25am
Subject: Heres one for You Guys (A Must See)
CHeck OUt this Guys Stuff, Maybe they would be willing to make some
miniature rockcrawlers, wouldn't that be cool.
http://www.viper-v10.com/
http://www.conleyprecision.com/
Sincerely: Larry George
JEEP THANG
18237 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 9:47am
Subject: Re: Re: Speedo gear questions
Thanks for the info... I have the 3.73:1 ratio & 33's
oveson2@j... wrote:
> Have to know Diff gear ratio along with tire size before this
> question can be answered. I found the best price to be any Jeep
> dealer, got mine for $11 plus change.
>
> Lyle
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...> wrote:
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18238 From: Brian Pavlich <brian.pavlich@i...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 10:34am
Subject: RE: DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
Heh, I know its not necesarily the same trail, but I ran the I-17 to Crown King trail in an '81 Camaro Berlinetta! I was told by a friend that it was 'just a dirt road'. I found out exactly what it was about 17 miles into the trail. Needless to say, I was a little miffed but I made it up (camped) and made it back with only a few body touch downs but no actual damage to the Camaro.
That was about the time I started telling myself I need a 4x4..
- Brian (Zoner)
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 8:39 AM
To: Stu Olson; pdjpn@aol.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
Normally Crown King is a piece of cake in a stock Jeep. There is one ledge that has been worse than usual the past 6 months. Somebody finally removed the ramp of rocks here and alot of vehicles turn back. The last couple times up I had to winch a couple vehicles over it. There usually is ice on the portion of the trail. One TJ has rolled of the cliff next to this obstacle recently, though I don't think it was an AZVJC member. One of the vehicles I winched, a Dodge Ram had his rear tires hanging off the dropoff. Another one, a YJ had both drivers side tires hanging off. We managed to get both back onto the trail with the use of a snatch block and winch. Be extremely careful on this obstacle this time of year! Be sure to travel with others.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
It is very hard to "run" from Lake Pleasant to Crown King, as it is well over 30 miles and uphill most of the way.
However, your YJ is capable of getting through the trail. My first time on that trail was with less than what you have.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
-----Original Message-----
From: pdjpn@aol.com [mailto:pdjpn@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 22:28
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
HOW HARD IS IT TO RUN FROM PLEASANT TI CROWN KING?
I HAVE A 90 YJ WITH A 84,000 MILE 4 CYLINDER ENGINE. THE ONLY THING
I REALLY HAVE ON IT IS A 4'' PRO COMP SPRING LIFT, 31 13.50 SWAMPERS
AND SOME KC'S. SHOUKD I BE WORRIED ABOUT THE RED ROCK!
I WANT TO DO THE TRAIL BUT NOT SURE IF I CAN
PAUL
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18239 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 10:32am
Subject: Re: Speedo gear questions
My TJ with 33's and 3:73 took a 32 tooth gear and the dealer is the
best place to get them. I would call first though, not all dealers
have all the differnt gears.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...> wrote:
> Thanks for the info... I have the 3.73:1 ratio & 33's
>
> oveson2@j... wrote:
>
> > Have to know Diff gear ratio along with tire size before this
> > question can be answered. I found the best price to be any Jeep
> > dealer, got mine for $11 plus change.
> >
> > Lyle
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...> wrote:
>
>
>
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18240 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 10:36am
Subject: Re: Heres one for You Guys (A Must See)
You could buy the real thing for what those cost.....(?)
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "JEEP THANG" <jeep_thang@h...> wrote:
> CHeck OUt this Guys Stuff, Maybe they would be willing to make some
> miniature rockcrawlers, wouldn't that be cool.
>
> http://www.viper-v10.com/
> http://www.conleyprecision.com/
>
> Sincerely: Larry George
> JEEP THANG
18241 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 0:31pm
Subject: Shorty Bumber w/ Lights
Here is my completed method of mounting KCs to my bumper, even though
I had cut it down to the width of the frame. Thanks to Pete Wirch
for the steel stock, worked out perfectly. If anyone wants to see
pics of how I did it go here:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1363939&a=11349390
Dan
'00TJ
18242 From: <jerami@m...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 1:05pm
Subject: Re: DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
Maybe this is a stupid question.. Where is this ledge? I've run this
trail a half-dozen times or so in the last two years, and I can't
think of anywhere that sounds this difficult? I've run all the
optional trail/bypasses, etc. too. Probably the hardest part is the
short, steep hill climb immediately uphill from the two
wrecked/burned cars in the wash. It seems to have been eroded away
to where the first 15-20 feet feels like it's straight up.
Anyway. No big deal, I am just curious. :)
Jerami
18243 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 1:15pm
Subject: xj trans cooler setup
Hey all I have changed the trans cooler setup in my jeep xj with great
results.....there is a picture attached with notations on it it is set up
on all thread posts where the old airbox was, with a puller 10" elec fan
from JC Whitney on top of it.....major difference after getting it out from
infront of the radiator.
Brian Harmon
Flagstaff AZ
http://www.cherokee-nation.com
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18244 From: blake shepherd <blake@b...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 1:40pm
Subject: CJ Dana 30 broken....Help!!
Today I removed the diff cover on my dana 30 only to find that the ring gear
has a broken tooth. The gear is missing about 1/2 of one tooth (pinion gear
is fine). Plus the tooth was not in the case or the fluid........ hmm.
Before I spend alot of money fixing the dana 30, I would like to know what
axles I can swap in its place. Will a YJ or TJ dana 30 bolt in or do they
have a reverse rotation? I have heard of people swapping in scout or maybe
early bronco axles. I am looking for help. Does anyone have an entire dana
30 or any other axle that you have laying around that would fit? Any
comments are appreciated.
TIA
Blake 1980 CJ5 35" BFG'S Chevy 305
18220 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@n...>
Date: Thu Feb 1, 2001 11:11pm
Subject: My cut bumper
Hey all, thanks for the bumper cutting help. I think I'll have Pete do it
since I'll tentively be at his place anyways for a quick weld.
Nick
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18221 From: <Vandiggity22@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 0:22am
Subject: Box canyon/coke ovens 2/3-4/01?
Is the trip from this last weekend to box canyon being rescheduled
for this weekend? If it's not would anybody else be interested in
making this run?
Shane Van Dyke
Vandiggity22@a...
18222 From: <DAVISis@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 5:13am
Subject: NON-AZVJC run this sat
Sorry, not all Jeep. A few friends are meeting at the green gate of
the coves at 9AM. Bryan Ellis (VJC) will be there. A buddy just
lifted his Tahoe and wants to see how it performs. All are welcome
to come play.
Glen
18223 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 5:40am
Subject: Re: need advice about steering on a TJ
Bump steer is caused by having too large of an angle between the drag
link and tie rod. In this case, changes in the distance between the
axle and the chassis (like when you hit a bump) result in lateral forces
being applied to the drag link. Either the steering wheel spins to
one side or the wheels turn to one side during this event.
A drop pitman arm may help eliminate bump steer. But you need to make
sure you have the clearance to run one. For example, on my YJ, the
zerk fitting at the end of my pitman arm rubs my tie rod under extreme
articulation.
Other things like stronger tie rods and tie rod ends make your rig
stronger. They don't address bump steer. Neither do those "S"-shaped
drag links - those only provide clearance around parts (like leaf
springs in a spring-over configuration). I suppose replacing some of
these other parts might improve your sloppiness if you replace parts
that use to flex or had loose tolerances with stronger parts that have
tighter tolerances. Beefing up some of the bracketry might help also.
TJ owners will have to comment on these areas.
-Roger
Kris Jones wrote:
>
> Hi everyone. I recently had an email saying that my jeep was for
> sale, but we decided to keep it.
> Anyways i have a question about the steering. I know that it's a
> common problem to have bumpsteer and sloppiness in the steering when
> you get a lift and big tires. But my dad and i would like to know if
> there are any products, adjustments, or something like that to help
> clean up the steering response.
> Any advice or tips to help us out would be GREAT! thanks!
>
> Oh, yeah. We have a '97 TJ with a 2" body lift, 3" suspension lift,
> and 33x12.5x15 BFG AT's. Thanks a lot!
18224 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 5:58am
Subject: FS: Original TJ Tires/Rims
For Sale: Original stock tires/rims (see attached picture for rims) 5 spoke,
4 ea, Tires Wrangler GS-A 17,000 miles on them (225/75R 15), also the
original spare. Take them all home for $300.
--James
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18225 From: Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 6:21am
Subject: Re: WTB CJ
I know a guy that's moving out of state and getting
rid of a cj5 he was in the process of rebuilding for
$1000. it's rusty but he has the panels to replace
the rusty ones. right now it's in the middle of a
frame off restoration. it has the 3 speed and the
straight 6 and the carb has been replaced with a
holley 4 barrel.
reply if interested
--- chiena <chiena@e...> wrote:
> There's a 73 CJ5 in Gilbert for I think $2500.00 it
> has a six but looks like
> it just got a fresh coat of primer inside and out.
> The body has a couple of
> wrinkles if I remember right. But it say it has a
> whole brake system has
> been changed and some other stuff........let me know
> if you want the
> number......
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin" <nau88xj@h...>
> To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
> <swbjeep@m...>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:11 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] WTB CJ
>
>
> > does anybody have a cj, or know of a cj for sale
> that is not being sold by
> > some shady guy that has painted over the rust on
> the frame and has a
> > straight 6 engine and has just been taken care
> of?????? I found one and
> it
> > got away and i am pissed at myself about that one
> now....anybody?
> >
> > thanks,
> > kevin
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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18226 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 6:23am
Subject: RE: DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
It is very hard to "run" from Lake Pleasant to Crown King, as it is well over 30 miles and uphill most of the way.
However, your YJ is capable of getting through the trail. My first time on that trail was with less than what you have.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
-----Original Message-----
From: pdjpn@aol.com [mailto:pdjpn@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 22:28
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
HOW HARD IS IT TO RUN FROM PLEASANT TI CROWN KING?
I HAVE A 90 YJ WITH A 84,000 MILE 4 CYLINDER ENGINE. THE ONLY THING
I REALLY HAVE ON IT IS A 4'' PRO COMP SPRING LIFT, 31 13.50 SWAMPERS
AND SOME KC'S. SHOUKD I BE WORRIED ABOUT THE RED ROCK!
I WANT TO DO THE TRAIL BUT NOT SURE IF I CAN
PAUL
18227 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 6:29am
Subject: New poll for az_vjc
Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the az_vjc
group:
Please choose a backspacing amount on
your current Jeep rims.
o BS 5.5
o BS 5.0
o BS 4.75
o BS 4.50
o BS 4.25
o BS 4.00
o BS 3.75
o BS 3.50
o BS 3.25
o BS 3.00
o Less thn 3.00
o More than 5.50
To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
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18228 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 6:22am
Subject: Re: backspacing
TJ asked me a question about backspacing and it caused me to look up some of my earlier links. I don't think I passed this one on so here it is. This is the most technical explanation of offset and backspace that I have seen. Good reference material.
http://www.usacomp.com/Offset.htm
The bottom line - The TJ Gambler rims have a backspace of 5.5". I don't know what the offset is. Most Jeeps seem to run between 3.5" and 4.5" - that range gives you decent clearance without causing unusual bearing stress. It would be interesting to see what others here have for backspacing so I set up a poll at yahoogroups. There should be an email out on it shortly.
Jon
18229 From: <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 6:35am
Subject: Re: need advice about steering on a TJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Bump steer is caused by having too large of an angle between the
drag
> link and tie rod.
Yup...Roger's right on. You can also experience bump steer if your
front axle was not centered. A lift will shift your front axle to the
left. An adjustable track bar will solve that problem.
18230 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 7:22am
Subject: Speedo gear questions
Where to buy? What tooth count for 33"s? What's a reasonable price?
Russ
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18231 From: Eric Marble <emarble3@p...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 8:29am
Subject: Fw: Fw: CLEAN UPS
----- Original Message -----
From: <HAN****1@aol.com>
To: <clay.forrester@lmco.com>; <crawl@flash.net>;
<BOB@robertporterconstruction.com>; <azredrocker@yahoo.com>;
<Kpnut@aol.com>; <emarble3@prodigy.net>; <emelendy@uswest.net>;
<AZREDROCKER@yahoo.com>; <rjvonprisk@uswest.net>;
<SMCMILLIAN@sandersonford.com>; <SCOTTFABRICATION@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:28 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: CLEAN UPS
>
>
From: "Doug Schulz" saguaro6@h...
To: "Bergersen, Dale Home" steakandale@h..., "Brown, Mike" abrown6425@a..., "Joe Cayer" AzRockDawg@a..., "Gilmour, Alex" alex.r.gilmour@i..., "Han****, Neil" han****1@a..., "Harral, Randall" bronco6677@w..., "Harwood, Steven" doghows@w..., "Hathaway, Dean" deano186@h..., "Jacoby, Russ" rljacoby@a..., "Johnson, Kathie" kathiej@p..., "Kight, David \(CCI-Phoenix\)" David.Kight@c..., "Lachance, Mike" mrl1969@p..., "Lancea, Steve" Steve.Lancea@i..., "McCarthy, Mike & Carrie" citi@g..., "Messang, Tim" tim.messang@m..., mikelachance@e..., "Moerman, David" dem@e..., "Don Ransdell" donokaren@a..., "Wintring, Cliff" elcliffo@e..., "Zuercher, Todd J" toddz69@j..., "Adamow John" john-adamow@l..., "Alexander Tom" tomanna@m..., "Banfield Greg" motoman@s..., "Michael Banner" strontium7@a..., "Shawn Bengry" sbengry@u..., "Tim Bowsher" bowsher@n..., "Shad Bruce" dsnhouse@a..., "Regan Calderon" regancald@a..., "Richard Caldwell" rclc@r..., "John Camoriano" bronco66@h..., "Frank Chance" chance@c..., "Christian Garrett" cgarrett107@c..., "Richard Davis" tucsonrcd@a..., "Gary Fancher" fanchers@c..., "Bill Finch" jeanf@i..., "Bob Galizia" hermech@g..., "Steve George" hsgeorge@c..., "Tom Gismondi" tommygee@m..., "Ken Heathman" broncok74@c..., "Mark Howard" momohoward@a..., "Bob Huffman" kaching@n..., "Russ Jackson" russjackson@m..., "Taad Janson" taad@a..., "james Keenan" jkeenan@g..., "Kirk Kelso" rkelso687@a..., "Darren Latto" lattoman@m..., "Chaz Lightner" light@e..., "Kelly McInroy" kelly.mcinroy@v..., "Paul Machetti" mechettp@h..., "Charles Metz" cpmetz@r..., "Mike Mileski" broncos@a..., "Paul Patel" thetaz2@h..., "Gene Perry" gperry3@j..., "Keith Jones" protofab@p..., "Mark Ragel" poolman58@a..., "Curtis Rhoades" secare@a..., "Hoss Rogers" mrhossdog@a..., "Kirk Rundle" kzrundle@a..., "Matt Schonthaler" schontma@r..., "Ron Seitz" rseitz@e..., "Joe Smith" joeh@g..., "Jerry Steele" jsteele@a..., "Len Steinberg" lenaz@i..., "Chris Walborn" fivespin@h...
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Subject: Fw: CLEAN UPS
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:05:28 -0700
ACB'ers:
Here are some details below on a couple trail cleanups this weekend. Let's
try and make a good showing. I've done a couple recent ones, and the BLM
and Forest Service really appreciate the fact that there are responsible
four wheelers out there. They get so much evidence of the bad ones, they
are refreshed by seeing some cleaning up for a change. We really need them
on our side to continue to keep our 4x4 trails open. I was out at Lower
Sycamore a while back and it was a disaster with tons of litter and
cross-country trails cut everywhere. Come on out and do some good. Kids
love this stuff, too! Great way for them to earn those merit badges!
Doug Schulz
Secretary, Arizona Classic Broncos, Inc.
saguaro6@home.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandee McCullen" <McCullen@writeme.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:18 AM
Subject: CLEAN UPS
> REMINDER............
>
> There are two CLEAN UPS planned for this Saturday................. 9:00
> A.M. - NOONISH!
>
> One at lower Sycamore and one at M.P. 201 in Gold Canyon.........
>
> It's only an hour or two of your time guys........... but it can MAKE A
> DIFFERENCE in keeping access' open and/or trails available.
>
> DIRECTIONS:
>
> Hwy 60 east through Apache Junction to Mile Post 201. South side of
highway
> directly across the road from a new Bashas' grocery store.
>
> Beeline Hwy towards Payson to Mile Post 201 = 202. Go approx. 1/4 - 1/2
> mile past the Saguaro Lake turnoff and make a "U" turn across the center
> divider.
>
> Bring GLOVES and shovels and rakes if possible.
>
> See ya'll out there.............
>
> PLEASE SEND THIS ON TO YOUR MAILING LISTS
>
>
18232 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 7:38am
Subject: RE: DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
Normally Crown King is a piece of cake in a stock Jeep. There is one ledge that has been worse than usual the past 6 months. Somebody finally removed the ramp of rocks here and alot of vehicles turn back. The last couple times up I had to winch a couple vehicles over it. There usually is ice on the portion of the trail. One TJ has rolled of the cliff next to this obstacle recently, though I don't think it was an AZVJC member. One of the vehicles I winched, a Dodge Ram had his rear tires hanging off the dropoff. Another one, a YJ had both drivers side tires hanging off. We managed to get both back onto the trail with the use of a snatch block and winch. Be extremely careful on this obstacle this time of year! Be sure to travel with others.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
It is very hard to "run" from Lake Pleasant to Crown King, as it is well over 30 miles and uphill most of the way.
However, your YJ is capable of getting through the trail. My first time on that trail was with less than what you have.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
-----Original Message-----
From: pdjpn@aol.com [mailto:pdjpn@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 22:28
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
HOW HARD IS IT TO RUN FROM PLEASANT TI CROWN KING?
I HAVE A 90 YJ WITH A 84,000 MILE 4 CYLINDER ENGINE. THE ONLY THING
I REALLY HAVE ON IT IS A 4'' PRO COMP SPRING LIFT, 31 13.50 SWAMPERS
AND SOME KC'S. SHOUKD I BE WORRIED ABOUT THE RED ROCK!
I WANT TO DO THE TRAIL BUT NOT SURE IF I CAN
PAUL
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18233 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 7:56am
Subject: Re: backspacing
thanx again Jon.....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
I still miss my ex-wife.....but my aim IS improving
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18234 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 8:05am
Subject: Re: off topic, PC Tech Jokes
don't forget the important question: Just how long past 6 months should we give the tech to "think about the problem and get back to you"???????
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18235 From: <oveson2@j...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 9:01am
Subject: Re: Speedo gear questions
Have to know Diff gear ratio along with tire size before this
question can be answered. I found the best price to be any Jeep
dealer, got mine for $11 plus change.
Lyle
--- In az_vjc@y..., Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...> wrote:
>
18236 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 9:25am
Subject: Heres one for You Guys (A Must See)
CHeck OUt this Guys Stuff, Maybe they would be willing to make some
miniature rockcrawlers, wouldn't that be cool.
http://www.viper-v10.com/
http://www.conleyprecision.com/
Sincerely: Larry George
JEEP THANG
18237 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 19, 2001 9:47am
Subject: Re: Re: Speedo gear questions
Thanks for the info... I have the 3.73:1 ratio & 33's
oveson2@j... wrote:
> Have to know Diff gear ratio along with tire size before this
> question can be answered. I found the best price to be any Jeep
> dealer, got mine for $11 plus change.
>
> Lyle
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...> wrote:
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18238 From: Brian Pavlich <brian.pavlich@i...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 10:34am
Subject: RE: DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
Heh, I know its not necesarily the same trail, but I ran the I-17 to Crown King trail in an '81 Camaro Berlinetta! I was told by a friend that it was 'just a dirt road'. I found out exactly what it was about 17 miles into the trail. Needless to say, I was a little miffed but I made it up (camped) and made it back with only a few body touch downs but no actual damage to the Camaro.
That was about the time I started telling myself I need a 4x4..
- Brian (Zoner)
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 8:39 AM
To: Stu Olson; pdjpn@aol.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
Normally Crown King is a piece of cake in a stock Jeep. There is one ledge that has been worse than usual the past 6 months. Somebody finally removed the ramp of rocks here and alot of vehicles turn back. The last couple times up I had to winch a couple vehicles over it. There usually is ice on the portion of the trail. One TJ has rolled of the cliff next to this obstacle recently, though I don't think it was an AZVJC member. One of the vehicles I winched, a Dodge Ram had his rear tires hanging off the dropoff. Another one, a YJ had both drivers side tires hanging off. We managed to get both back onto the trail with the use of a snatch block and winch. Be extremely careful on this obstacle this time of year! Be sure to travel with others.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
It is very hard to "run" from Lake Pleasant to Crown King, as it is well over 30 miles and uphill most of the way.
However, your YJ is capable of getting through the trail. My first time on that trail was with less than what you have.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
-----Original Message-----
From: pdjpn@aol.com [mailto:pdjpn@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 22:28
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
HOW HARD IS IT TO RUN FROM PLEASANT TI CROWN KING?
I HAVE A 90 YJ WITH A 84,000 MILE 4 CYLINDER ENGINE. THE ONLY THING
I REALLY HAVE ON IT IS A 4'' PRO COMP SPRING LIFT, 31 13.50 SWAMPERS
AND SOME KC'S. SHOUKD I BE WORRIED ABOUT THE RED ROCK!
I WANT TO DO THE TRAIL BUT NOT SURE IF I CAN
PAUL
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18239 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 10:32am
Subject: Re: Speedo gear questions
My TJ with 33's and 3:73 took a 32 tooth gear and the dealer is the
best place to get them. I would call first though, not all dealers
have all the differnt gears.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...> wrote:
> Thanks for the info... I have the 3.73:1 ratio & 33's
>
> oveson2@j... wrote:
>
> > Have to know Diff gear ratio along with tire size before this
> > question can be answered. I found the best price to be any Jeep
> > dealer, got mine for $11 plus change.
> >
> > Lyle
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...> wrote:
>
>
>
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18240 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 10:36am
Subject: Re: Heres one for You Guys (A Must See)
You could buy the real thing for what those cost.....(?)
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "JEEP THANG" <jeep_thang@h...> wrote:
> CHeck OUt this Guys Stuff, Maybe they would be willing to make some
> miniature rockcrawlers, wouldn't that be cool.
>
> http://www.viper-v10.com/
> http://www.conleyprecision.com/
>
> Sincerely: Larry George
> JEEP THANG
18241 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 0:31pm
Subject: Shorty Bumber w/ Lights
Here is my completed method of mounting KCs to my bumper, even though
I had cut it down to the width of the frame. Thanks to Pete Wirch
for the steel stock, worked out perfectly. If anyone wants to see
pics of how I did it go here:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1363939&a=11349390
Dan
'00TJ
18242 From: <jerami@m...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 1:05pm
Subject: Re: DIFFICULTY OF PLEASANT TO CROWN KING
Maybe this is a stupid question.. Where is this ledge? I've run this
trail a half-dozen times or so in the last two years, and I can't
think of anywhere that sounds this difficult? I've run all the
optional trail/bypasses, etc. too. Probably the hardest part is the
short, steep hill climb immediately uphill from the two
wrecked/burned cars in the wash. It seems to have been eroded away
to where the first 15-20 feet feels like it's straight up.
Anyway. No big deal, I am just curious. :)
Jerami
18243 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 1:15pm
Subject: xj trans cooler setup
Hey all I have changed the trans cooler setup in my jeep xj with great
results.....there is a picture attached with notations on it it is set up
on all thread posts where the old airbox was, with a puller 10" elec fan
from JC Whitney on top of it.....major difference after getting it out from
infront of the radiator.
Brian Harmon
Flagstaff AZ
http://www.cherokee-nation.com
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18244 From: blake shepherd <blake@b...>
Date: Fri Feb 2, 2001 1:40pm
Subject: CJ Dana 30 broken....Help!!
Today I removed the diff cover on my dana 30 only to find that the ring gear
has a broken tooth. The gear is missing about 1/2 of one tooth (pinion gear
is fine). Plus the tooth was not in the case or the fluid........ hmm.
Before I spend alot of money fixing the dana 30, I would like to know what
axles I can swap in its place. Will a YJ or TJ dana 30 bolt in or do they
have a reverse rotation? I have heard of people swapping in scout or maybe
early bronco axles. I am looking for help. Does anyone have an entire dana
30 or any other axle that you have laying around that would fit? Any
comments are appreciated.
TIA
Blake 1980 CJ5 35" BFG'S Chevy 305