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17620 From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: a few Axle Alley pics
Ok, so most of the pics aren't great, but here's what I've got:
http://www.desertwave.com/images/axlealley01202001/
Happy wheelin',
Jeff
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17621 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:19pm
Subject: OCS Photopoint
Larry - here are the pix I took of Christian.
<http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=11112123>
(From the first obstacle on Lower Ajax, 01/21/2001)
Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240
17622 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:19pm
Subject: photopoint 2
A couple of pix of John Butlers disintegrated left rear brake on Sycamore 1/21/2001.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=11112129
Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240
17623 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:33pm
Subject: Re: photopoint 2
So what caused it? If you put it in the trail report I've been kind of
glossing over them do to time constraints.
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> A couple of pix of John Butlers disintegrated left rear brake on
> Sycamore 1/21/2001.
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=11112129
>
> Jon Loveless
> (480) 816-6240
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
17624 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 8:43pm
Subject: Re: t-shirt runs
FWIW... I put out an email to the group that I would TRY to be at texaco, but regardless would lead the run. I put out a last minute email that I wouldnt be able to make the texaco meet due to time, but would meet at the boxcanyon airdown spot and STILL lead the run. I led the run (with some help from a couple of the other Jeepers) and we had a GREAT time. I apolagize if I wasn't able to drive an extra hour (up and back) in the cold after a long night to the Texaco just to immediately turn around and go BACK the way I just came.
Don't wanna sound like I'm griping, but the "leaderless" comment emails kinda hurt!
I'm through...thanks for your attention, and I hope to be able to lead another run in the future as I and all of the group had a Great time!
Ray.
Jon Loveless wrote:
Well, sorry about the leaderless runs. I tried hard to get the leaders to all show up at the Texaco station, but... Well, the Woodpecker group had a good time anyway. I don't know what happened with the Coke Ovens group. I hope you all met up with Ray and had a good run, or at least one of you knew the route and led you himself. If not, sorry. That is the last time I will organize a run like that without committed run leaders.
Jon
Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240
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17625 From: Tim Naylor <tnaylorsprint@e...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:38pm
Subject: RE: Axel Alley Run, photos
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1371843&a=11110794
This is the first batch, more to follow.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:12 AM
To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] Axel Alley Run
Well, this was a fun day. We started at the Cotton Rd turn off at 8am Sat.
We ended up with eight rigs...not six ;-), but it worked out.. One CJ7, One
YJ, Two CJ5's, One ZJ, Three TJ's. The flag was not up for the range. We
drove up to the camp ground and unloaded. We were going to the trail by
8:50 or so.
Chuck and Pete took tail and we had a couple people going to watch also. I
had not been through the trail before but Ken and Tim had walked it. We
started up the wash and I came around a corner and found the first obstacle,
a 8 plus foot very vertical wall. It is a very even surface but it is
straight up. I locked the front and basically went up until my very
expensive tire carrier :-) was buried in the sand. I was as close to
vertical as I have been. Ken and my son Chris hooked my winch up to an
anchor point left in the hillside. Thanks to whoever put it there. The other
options would really stress the springs while going up. I got the old stock
carb running, barely, and went up and over with the winch. Everyone made it
up this wall with no problem, we worked together and nothing broke. We
made it through in about an hour and a half. Tom Le really did great with
his ZJ.
We then went through some more narrow wash with some well-placed diff
whackers. Just a quick note, I would not mention this if I really did not
think it was important. The guys that had the new Goodyear tires experienced
some strange behavior. The tires would not hold side to side. Tims front end
slid/jumped to the side off of a couple of rocks and could have bent his
axel tube easily. Don't want to put anyone's stuff or choices down but we
all saw this several times and just wanted to mention it. The rocks were dry
but a bit slick. I think the locker contributed to the slide but this was
way beyond normal. We made great time and made it to the second waterfall
towards the end of the trail. This one is not as tall (7') and not as
vertical. I almost got my tires over the top but was just short. I winched
off a small tree and went up. The cool part on this obstacle was that Tom
with his ZJ was able to go up without a winch. His extra length was all he
needed. Then we hit the end of the trail and again thanks to the winch point
I drove up to a big ledge and then winched over. Everyone made it up okay.
Chuck did a good job considering he did not have a front locker yet; his new
lift seemed to work well. This is a 35" trail, winch required.
It was a beautiful day, flowers were out and the views were great. A good
group of people and lots of fun. I only have a couple of pictures but Tim
should have a bunch. We will get them up soon.
Ross Skinner
17626 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 9:00pm
Subject: t-shirt withdrawal
I heard from Ray. He *was* at the trail head as he said he would be and he and about 8 Jeeps did Box Canyon and Coke Ovens (or thereabouts). So, the leaderless rides comment doesn't apply to him. He said that they had a great time wheeling and a report will follow. Sorry, Ray.
Jon
Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240
17627 From: David <dasumax@e...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 9:51pm
Subject: 79 jeep wagoneer
Looking at buying one. Not familiar at all with fsj hoping someone
out there could help me. is this thing full time 4wd, also didn't
see a transfer case shifter, how does this work? also what transfer
case is in it. if it is full time, can it be converted? Anything i
should watch out for on this? any information on this thing at all
would be appreciated
thanks
david
17628 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 5:42pm
Subject: Re: Need 91 XJ Drag Link
try emailing Flexyxj@A... Tell hime Dave sent you...
he just converted to 1ton steering components..
Dave
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17629 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 5:19am
Subject: Re: Sycamore
John,
The squeeze is passable - I've had my YJ through there although there
were only a few inches of water at the time.
The section beyond the squeeze does go through to Upper Sycamore but it
has some very serious rock crawling. Plus, there is one low spot that
is too deep to drive through when it is full of water.
I've heard of people going through but, to this point, that's just a
myth to me. I don't know anyone who has gone through there. We tried
going through from north to south one time but ran into the deep water
and had to turn around.
-Roger
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> Brice and I went down to Lower Sycamore Creek today to stretch a winch cable.
> We went North down the creek until we came to a narrow spot with about 3' of
> water. It looked like a Jeep could get through ok (we were alone so we didn't
> try). We climbed up on one of the big rocks there and beyond the narrow spot
> was a clear area and more narrow canyon. Beyond that were some serious rock
> obstacles but it looked passable. This is the upper end of Lower Sycamore. Has
> anyone gone through there? Does it go all the way through to Upper Sycamore in
> the creek? Except for the thousand or so quads, it was gorgeous back there
> today. I would like to try that area when the water drops a bit. I was a bit
> nervous about possible quick sand.
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Loveless
> (480) 816-6240
17630 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 5:33am
Subject: Re: t-shirt runs
On your question about sway bar disco's, you can get them nearly anywhere locally or over the net. I've gotten pretty good service from Mepco www.mepco4x4.com They'll carry the Tera's.
In terms of brand, the best (IMO) would be either the Tera's or the JKS's. I particularly like the new JKS's because they're adjustable...which and provides greater flexibility in storage pin placement. However, both are very good.
Happy Trails.......
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: KHD1972
To: az_vjc@egroups.com ; Jon Loveless
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] t-shirt runs
I would just like to say thanks to everybody I met today at the air-down spot. I will defenitely be back for the next run I can. I was very encouraged by the warm welcome I received. Being VERY new to jeepin and only a club member since Friday, all the help and tips were GREATLY appreciated. I would have gone on the Coke Oven run, but couldn't disconnect my sway bar, and didn't want to risk my daily driver.
Speaking of that, can anybody recommend a good place to get sway bar link quick-disconnects for a decent price here in the valley?
Thanks again for the warm reception, and I look foward to actually running a trail with you guys in the nearest possible future!!
Keirvan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Loveless
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 6:26 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] t-shirt runs
Well, sorry about the leaderless runs. I tried hard to get the leaders to all show up at the Texaco station, but... Well, the Woodpecker group had a good time anyway. I don't know what happened with the Coke Ovens group. I hope you all met up with Ray and had a good run, or at least one of you knew the route and led you himself. If not, sorry. That is the last time I will organize a run like that without committed run leaders.
Jon
Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240
17631 From: Tim Naylor <tnaylorsprint@e...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 6:11am
Subject: Axle Alley 1-20 photos
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1371843&a=11110794
This is the complete set
17632 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 7:20am
Subject: Fw: 79 jeep wagoneer
Sounds like you found a '79 with the TH400 auto transmission and the
full-time 4WD Quadratrac (BW1339) transfer case. The Quadratrac (QT) is a
full time case that can be placed in emergency mode via a vacuum switch
located in the glove box. Emergency mode effectively locks the t-case such
that both axles are driven. If the QT is equipped with a low range, a
shifter will be located on the "hump" just in front and below the driver's
seat.
Milemarker makes a part time kit which converts the QT to part-time and
installs hubs on the front axle. I have this installed in my FSJ. Milemarker
also makes the kit with a 16% overdrive.
The QT has been much maligned but it is a decent t-case. I would say the
major disadvantages are that both shafts come of the passenger side forcing
the rear axle diff to be offset.....making it tough (read $$$) to makes
changes/axle upgrades. Also, the QT chain is always engaged, so it wears
more than other t-cases.
Give me a call at 623-877-3125 if you want more info.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David <dasumax@e...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:51 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
>
>
>>Looking at buying one. Not familiar at all with fsj hoping someone
>>out there could help me. is this thing full time 4wd, also didn't
>>see a transfer case shifter, how does this work? also what transfer
>>case is in it. if it is full time, can it be converted? Anything i
>>should watch out for on this? any information on this thing at all
>>would be appreciated
>>thanks
>>david
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
17633 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 7:52am
Subject: FW: [Fwd: Arizona land closures... [Yahoo! Clubs: GLAMIS DUNERS ' FOR CLEAN DUNES']]
From: asa_rick clubs-mail@y...
To: tonyh@d...
Subject: Arizona land closures... [Yahoo! Clubs: GLAMIS DUNERS 'FOR CLEAN DUNES']
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:45:47 -0700
The following was sent out by the ASA:
The ASA has been asked to help spread the word about the Arizona land
closures:
There's an info meeting and cleanup scheduled. The info can be found at
http://www.glamisonline.org/cleanup/arizona_land_closure.htm
Vincent J. Brunasso
President American Sand Association
GlamisOnLine.org
PMB 108
1911 Foothill Blvd.
La Verne, CA 91750
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17634 From: Matt Ulepic <mulepic@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 7:53am
Subject: Re: 79 jeep wagoneer
David, I just purchased an '87 for $2300, it's in really nice shape. I just
finished doing a front SOA conversion yesterday. These things look really
good lifted. I suggest you make sure the wagoneer has a d44 front and rear
and the factory tow package. The tow package ensures it has a transmission
cooler. I have the 360 v-8, if you can find the 401 I think that would be a
treat.
George, what is the backspacing and wheel size you are using to fit the
35's? I see yours is a wt, so I'm willing to do some fender trimming.
Also, do you have a SOA?
Does anyone here know where I can get 15x8, 6 on 5.5 steel wheels for cheep?
Thanks,
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Andrews" <gandre01@m...>
To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:20 AM
Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
> Sounds like you found a '79 with the TH400 auto transmission and the
> full-time 4WD Quadratrac (BW1339) transfer case. The Quadratrac (QT) is a
> full time case that can be placed in emergency mode via a vacuum switch
> located in the glove box. Emergency mode effectively locks the t-case such
> that both axles are driven. If the QT is equipped with a low range, a
> shifter will be located on the "hump" just in front and below the
driver's
> seat.
>
> Milemarker makes a part time kit which converts the QT to part-time and
> installs hubs on the front axle. I have this installed in my FSJ.
Milemarker
> also makes the kit with a 16% overdrive.
>
> The QT has been much maligned but it is a decent t-case. I would say the
> major disadvantages are that both shafts come of the passenger side
forcing
> the rear axle diff to be offset.....making it tough (read $$$) to makes
> changes/axle upgrades. Also, the QT chain is always engaged, so it wears
> more than other t-cases.
>
> Give me a call at 623-877-3125 if you want more info.
>
> George Andrews
> '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
> '00 TJ
> Avondale Arizona
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: David <dasumax@e...>
> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> >Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:51 PM
> >Subject: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
> >
> >
> >>Looking at buying one. Not familiar at all with fsj hoping someone
> >>out there could help me. is this thing full time 4wd, also didn't
> >>see a transfer case shifter, how does this work? also what transfer
> >>case is in it. if it is full time, can it be converted? Anything i
> >>should watch out for on this? any information on this thing at all
> >>would be appreciated
> >>thanks
> >>david
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
17635 From: James Junkin <jjunkin@p...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:30am
Subject: Re: 79 jeep wagoneer
Discount Tire has em or any junkyard. All 6 lug wheels have the same bolt
pattern.
James Junkin
O||||||O
'81 SJ Cherokee "Midnight" 4" Skyjacker, 33x12.5 BFG AT's, Warn XD9000, etc
'98 TJ Teraflexed, ARB's, BFG 35x12.5 MT's, etc, etc.
'97 TJ "Loong" Term Project
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Ulepic" <mulepic@h...>
To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>; "George Andrews" <gandre01@m...>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
> David, I just purchased an '87 for $2300, it's in really nice shape. I
just
> finished doing a front SOA conversion yesterday. These things look really
> good lifted. I suggest you make sure the wagoneer has a d44 front and
rear
> and the factory tow package. The tow package ensures it has a
transmission
> cooler. I have the 360 v-8, if you can find the 401 I think that would be
a
> treat.
>
> George, what is the backspacing and wheel size you are using to fit the
> 35's? I see yours is a wt, so I'm willing to do some fender trimming.
> Also, do you have a SOA?
>
> Does anyone here know where I can get 15x8, 6 on 5.5 steel wheels for
cheep?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Andrews" <gandre01@m...>
> To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:20 AM
> Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
>
>
> > Sounds like you found a '79 with the TH400 auto transmission and the
> > full-time 4WD Quadratrac (BW1339) transfer case. The Quadratrac (QT) is
a
> > full time case that can be placed in emergency mode via a vacuum switch
> > located in the glove box. Emergency mode effectively locks the t-case
such
> > that both axles are driven. If the QT is equipped with a low range, a
> > shifter will be located on the "hump" just in front and below the
> driver's
> > seat.
> >
> > Milemarker makes a part time kit which converts the QT to part-time and
> > installs hubs on the front axle. I have this installed in my FSJ.
> Milemarker
> > also makes the kit with a 16% overdrive.
> >
> > The QT has been much maligned but it is a decent t-case. I would say the
> > major disadvantages are that both shafts come of the passenger side
> forcing
> > the rear axle diff to be offset.....making it tough (read $$$) to makes
> > changes/axle upgrades. Also, the QT chain is always engaged, so it wears
> > more than other t-cases.
> >
> > Give me a call at 623-877-3125 if you want more info.
> >
> > George Andrews
> > '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
> > '00 TJ
> > Avondale Arizona
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: David <dasumax@e...>
> > >To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> > >Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:51 PM
> > >Subject: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
> > >
> > >
> > >>Looking at buying one. Not familiar at all with fsj hoping someone
> > >>out there could help me. is this thing full time 4wd, also didn't
> > >>see a transfer case shifter, how does this work? also what transfer
> > >>case is in it. if it is full time, can it be converted? Anything i
> > >>should watch out for on this? any information on this thing at all
> > >>would be appreciated
> > >>thanks
> > >>david
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
17636 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:26am
Subject: Re: which jeep to buy
I like the CJ7 idea better. Either one you will have to work on to get really
built. But the CJ7 at least has a AMC20 rear that you can put 1 piece axles in
and be strong enough for 35's. The YJ will still have the C35. Either one's
front end will need to be swapped out. Also, a 350 swap into the CJ will be
easier due to wiring, clearance, etc.
Anyway, just a few thoughts. Of course I'm kind of partial to CJ's with my '83
CJ7. =)
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
17637 From: Kevin <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:31am
Subject: new XJ tranny cooler for sale
I have a brand new tranny cooler that i got from a jeep dealership because i thought mine was bad in my 88XJ...then my jeep got stolen. So i guess I will sell it. It has the hoses and whatever on it. I think I paid like $75 or something for it, cant really remember. If you want it, make an offer. I am in Chandler, AZ.
Kevin
17638 From: Kevin <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:45am
Subject: Re: which jeep to buy
ya, im thinkin CJ is better too...but on the rear AMC 20 I know that I could
get a full floater conversion that has 29slipe shafts which is pretty close
to what a D44 is, but the amc20 will hold larger gears. The only thing I
have heard about the AMC20 is that it flexes. Do you have tusses or
something like that on your axle to prevent the axle from flexing? What is
a good donor vehicle to rob a front axle from for the front of a CJ7? I
wanna run at least 35s on there.
kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] which jeep to buy
> I like the CJ7 idea better. Either one you will have to work on to get
really
> built. But the CJ7 at least has a AMC20 rear that you can put 1 piece
axles in
> and be strong enough for 35's. The YJ will still have the C35. Either
one's
> front end will need to be swapped out. Also, a 350 swap into the CJ will
be
> easier due to wiring, clearance, etc.
>
> Anyway, just a few thoughts. Of course I'm kind of partial to CJ's with
my '83
> CJ7. =)
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
>
>
>
>
>
>
17639 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:52am
Subject: Re: which jeep to buy
Kevin wrote:
> Last night I had pretty much decided to buy a nice CJ to replace my stolen
> XJ...but then this morning I got a call and found out that there is an 88YJ
> with 4.2L, auto, and 42k miles on it for sale for $8000.
That sounds a bit high to me. You might want to run it past kbb.com or
edmunds.
17640 From: Joshua N. Schwiesow <jnschwie@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:56am
Subject: Back in nice Warm Wisconsin-report
Hello and THANK YOU to everyone in the AZVJC!
I'm finally back up and on-line in Madison, WI after a slight detour in
Milwaukee at my parents' place. Here's a readers digest version of a report
of our Arizona Adventure: (I'll put a bigger one on my website when I can!)
Sat Jan 6th,
Saguaro Lakes: What a great place nearby town to four wheel! Beautiful
sights and mini obstacles to test new stuff on! I never saw so many
Saguaros! We visited all four coves!
Sun Jan 7th
Road to Crown King: Met up with many of you, which was awesome! This was
probably the most fun trail of the trip. Lots of neat obstacles which we
did! It was amazing to watch the elevation on my GPS as we climbed the
switchbacks at the end. That was fun, even though I hate heights! :-) It
was really amazing when we were up watching some of you help the stock ZJ
and 2 stock XJ's try to climb "the ledge." It was so far away from where we
watched, but we got to that height in minutes! I got a pic of it. I'm glad
they eventually made it up!
Tues Jan 9th,
Box Canyon/Coke Ovens: Went through this. Unfortunately we left our
windows and doors in Peoria as it started raining hard. Box Canyon was fun,
and I'll take my ZJ through it if I get to come back on clerkship next year.
Coke Ovens was neat too, although Deuty's waypoints were not on any trails
(and I double checked that I entered them correctly). Luckily, the
knowledge from Letham's book had me navigating well and my eMap had us
unlost no-probs. Although, we attempted to go back down Box Canyon through
the pouring rain, and after some slippery big rock crawling, we discovered
we were going down a wash! Oops, sorry dad! :-)
Thurs Jan 11th,
Broken Arrow, Sedona: Definitely the most scenic trail of trip! What fun!
Got many amazing pictures for my GF who thought Arizona was all desert from
border to border! :-) We ran into the pink jeep folks who asked if we were
stuck when we parked in the middle of a perfectly flat rock (I didn't know
there was special parking areas!) After we stopped giggling we asked if she
was serious. She actually said yeah, she could radio for help. We just
shook our heads and laughed on the way back to the rig. Other than that, we
just smiled and waved, and they weren't really too bad to us.
I mapped the whole thing on my eMap (as with most of the trails, and this
data will go on my site or a database at some point for anyone who wants
waypoints.)
Sat Jan 13th,
White Tanks with Chris R. This was really cool of Chris to show us this
neat little area to play in. Lots of neat obstacles, and lots of by-passes.
We got to do some play on the rocks, but I couldn't convince my dad to let
me do this waterfall due to time constraints, and the possibility of
disaster! :-) That decision was probably much more sound than my own. :-)
It's probably a good thing I'm not a student in Arizona with places like
these so nearby, I would definitely get a lot less done!
Sun Jan 14th,
Table Mesa Fun Run. Stu lead a little trip in the area just between black
canyon city and new river. (I have most of the tracks of this on my GPS
too.) I really liked listening to Stu's little spiel as we'd go past all
the sites, it really made me feel like I was in a "Rick Russell" off-road
adventure, which I enjoy watching, b/c it's the best things about four
wheeling: Sights, stories, and maps! I even had to use my lockers at one
point! :-) I liked seeing the upper terminator and I think anaconda. It
was nice to meet more club members there too!
So, a big thank you to Stu, Len, LarryM, Shane, Dave S, Mike (the people
who's names I can remember!) and EVERYONE else who went along and helped me
find things! (I'm really sorry to those whose name I forgot, I'm terrible
at that, you know who you are!) An EXTRA HUGE THANKS to Chris R for setting
the whole thing up and introducing me to AZVJC!
Chris, I'll get the pics scanned soon I hope (I still have a few rolls to
get back) and we'll upload them to photopoint, or maybe the 4bangers files,
or something, I bet a few of them want to see them (I'll sign back on that
forum in a few days!)
Thanks again,
Joshua N. Schwiesow
95YJ -Madison/Milwaukee, WI
(convinced he would move to Arizona given opportunity! :-)
17641 From: Devon Whitney <a74cj6@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 9:05am
Subject: Re: t-shirt runs
We found Ray right where Jon said he'd be without any problems. We
aired down there, took off and in my opinion, had a really great
trip. I think Ray said he was going to do a write-up so look for
that. I only took a few pictures but they're at:
http://a74cj6.homestead.com/bc.html
We had nine Jeeps and a great time. It was nice to meet all the new
people.
Best Regards,
Devon
1974 CJ-6
a74cj6@a...
www.5pillars.com/ucan2
www.homestead.com/a74cj6
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...> wrote:
> FWIW... I put out an email to the group that I would TRY to be at
> texaco, but regardless would lead the run. I put out a last minute
> email that I wouldnt be able to make the texaco meet due to time,
but
> would meet at the boxcanyon airdown spot and STILL lead the run. I
led
> the run (with some help from a couple of the other Jeepers) and we
had a
> GREAT time. I apolagize if I wasn't able to drive an extra hour
(up
and
> back) in the cold after a long night to the Texaco just to
immediately
> turn around and go BACK the way I just came.
> Don't wanna sound like I'm griping, but the "leaderless" comment
emails
> kinda hurt!
>
> I'm through...thanks for your attention, and I hope to be able to
lead
> another run in the future as I and all of the group had a Great
time!
> Ray.
>
> Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> > Well, sorry about the leaderless runs. I tried hard to get the
> > leaders to all show up at the Texaco station, but... Well, the
> > Woodpecker group had a good time anyway. I don't know what
happened
> > with the Coke Ovens group. I hope you all met up with Ray and had
a
> > good run, or at least one of you knew the route and led you
himself.
> > If not, sorry. That is the last time I will organize a run like
that
> > without committed run leaders.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > Jon Loveless
> > (480) 816-6240
>
> --
> ...---===Ray===---...
>
>
> http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?841576
17642 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:38am
Subject: Fw: 79 jeep wagoneer
Matt,
My Cherokee is a WT so 35's fit fine with OEM backspacing. I believe it is
4". I do not run a SOA but I do have a 3" body lift in order to fit the big
block.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Ulepic <mulepic@h...>
To: azvjc <az_vjc@egroups.com>; George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
>David, I just purchased an '87 for $2300, it's in really nice shape. I
just
>finished doing a front SOA conversion yesterday. These things look really
>good lifted. I suggest you make sure the wagoneer has a d44 front and rear
>and the factory tow package. The tow package ensures it has a transmission
>cooler. I have the 360 v-8, if you can find the 401 I think that would be
a
>treat.
>
>George, what is the backspacing and wheel size you are using to fit the
>35's? I see yours is a wt, so I'm willing to do some fender trimming.
>Also, do you have a SOA?
>
>Does anyone here know where I can get 15x8, 6 on 5.5 steel wheels for
cheep?
>
>Thanks,
>Matt
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George Andrews" <gandre01@m...>
>To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:20 AM
>Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
>
>
>> Sounds like you found a '79 with the TH400 auto transmission and the
>> full-time 4WD Quadratrac (BW1339) transfer case. The Quadratrac (QT) is a
>> full time case that can be placed in emergency mode via a vacuum switch
>> located in the glove box. Emergency mode effectively locks the t-case
such
>> that both axles are driven. If the QT is equipped with a low range, a
>> shifter will be located on the "hump" just in front and below the
>driver's
>> seat.
>>
>> Milemarker makes a part time kit which converts the QT to part-time and
>> installs hubs on the front axle. I have this installed in my FSJ.
>Milemarker
>> also makes the kit with a 16% overdrive.
>>
>> The QT has been much maligned but it is a decent t-case. I would say the
>> major disadvantages are that both shafts come of the passenger side
>forcing
>> the rear axle diff to be offset.....making it tough (read $$$) to makes
>> changes/axle upgrades. Also, the QT chain is always engaged, so it wears
>> more than other t-cases.
>>
>> Give me a call at 623-877-3125 if you want more info.
>>
>> George Andrews
>> '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
>> '00 TJ
>> Avondale Arizona
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: David <dasumax@e...>
>> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>> >Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:51 PM
>> >Subject: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
>> >
>> >
>> >>Looking at buying one. Not familiar at all with fsj hoping someone
>> >>out there could help me. is this thing full time 4wd, also didn't
>> >>see a transfer case shifter, how does this work? also what transfer
>> >>case is in it. if it is full time, can it be converted? Anything i
>> >>should watch out for on this? any information on this thing at all
>> >>would be appreciated
>> >>thanks
>> >>david
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
17643 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:49am
Subject: Re: which jeep to buy
Ross Skinner would be a great source for the info on a good donor vehicle for a
front end. If you want to try to stay with the same width that you have now,
your gonna want to find an old wagoneer (narrow track) and cut the axle down
4". This will get you into custom length axles which can be a little more
expensive to replace if broken, but keeps you near your current track width.
Ross can help you figure out how to run full width ones.
As for the rear, I do not have mine trussed. I just make sure not to jump it
off sand dunes and launch it off high cliffs! =) Full floater kit is a good
idea. But my feeling is if you plan to run nothing larger than 35's, the one
piece axles will do you just fine. (But if you want to flat tow it, that is a
different story and might warrant a full floater kit). If you plan to go larger
than 35's, swap out the AMC20 entirely for something like a D60. D60 rears with
D44 fronts and tires around 38" or smaller seem to work out real well for those
running them.
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
17644 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 11:05am
Subject: Ross' MT/R comments
After reading Ross' Axle Alley report, I thought I would address his
MT/R comment. In my experience (I run these tires in the 33-inch
flavor), Ross is ... right on the mark. Let me say that I've spoken
highly of these tires and still believe you'd be hard-pressed to find
a better "dual-purpose" tire.
But I have noticed the tire's lateral traction to be questionable.
Ross saw it first-hand on my rig when we ran Predator. When taking an
obstacle straight on, the tires perform great. But when you have to
rely on the sidewalls to hold you onto a rock, well, you're in for a
lot of slipping.
I still like the tires, great onroad, great offroad in almost all
instances. I usually run at 9-10 psi. Still, when I go SOA soon, I'm
almost certainly going to move to some form of Swamper.
Dion
94 YJ Sahara
17620 From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: a few Axle Alley pics
Ok, so most of the pics aren't great, but here's what I've got:
http://www.desertwave.com/images/axlealley01202001/
Happy wheelin',
Jeff
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17621 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:19pm
Subject: OCS Photopoint
Larry - here are the pix I took of Christian.
<http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=11112123>
(From the first obstacle on Lower Ajax, 01/21/2001)
Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240
17622 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:19pm
Subject: photopoint 2
A couple of pix of John Butlers disintegrated left rear brake on Sycamore 1/21/2001.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=11112129
Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240
17623 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:33pm
Subject: Re: photopoint 2
So what caused it? If you put it in the trail report I've been kind of
glossing over them do to time constraints.
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> A couple of pix of John Butlers disintegrated left rear brake on
> Sycamore 1/21/2001.
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=11112129
>
> Jon Loveless
> (480) 816-6240
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
17624 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 8:43pm
Subject: Re: t-shirt runs
FWIW... I put out an email to the group that I would TRY to be at texaco, but regardless would lead the run. I put out a last minute email that I wouldnt be able to make the texaco meet due to time, but would meet at the boxcanyon airdown spot and STILL lead the run. I led the run (with some help from a couple of the other Jeepers) and we had a GREAT time. I apolagize if I wasn't able to drive an extra hour (up and back) in the cold after a long night to the Texaco just to immediately turn around and go BACK the way I just came.
Don't wanna sound like I'm griping, but the "leaderless" comment emails kinda hurt!
I'm through...thanks for your attention, and I hope to be able to lead another run in the future as I and all of the group had a Great time!
Ray.
Jon Loveless wrote:
Well, sorry about the leaderless runs. I tried hard to get the leaders to all show up at the Texaco station, but... Well, the Woodpecker group had a good time anyway. I don't know what happened with the Coke Ovens group. I hope you all met up with Ray and had a good run, or at least one of you knew the route and led you himself. If not, sorry. That is the last time I will organize a run like that without committed run leaders.
Jon
Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240
--
...---===Ray===---...
http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?841576
17625 From: Tim Naylor <tnaylorsprint@e...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 7:38pm
Subject: RE: Axel Alley Run, photos
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1371843&a=11110794
This is the first batch, more to follow.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:12 AM
To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] Axel Alley Run
Well, this was a fun day. We started at the Cotton Rd turn off at 8am Sat.
We ended up with eight rigs...not six ;-), but it worked out.. One CJ7, One
YJ, Two CJ5's, One ZJ, Three TJ's. The flag was not up for the range. We
drove up to the camp ground and unloaded. We were going to the trail by
8:50 or so.
Chuck and Pete took tail and we had a couple people going to watch also. I
had not been through the trail before but Ken and Tim had walked it. We
started up the wash and I came around a corner and found the first obstacle,
a 8 plus foot very vertical wall. It is a very even surface but it is
straight up. I locked the front and basically went up until my very
expensive tire carrier :-) was buried in the sand. I was as close to
vertical as I have been. Ken and my son Chris hooked my winch up to an
anchor point left in the hillside. Thanks to whoever put it there. The other
options would really stress the springs while going up. I got the old stock
carb running, barely, and went up and over with the winch. Everyone made it
up this wall with no problem, we worked together and nothing broke. We
made it through in about an hour and a half. Tom Le really did great with
his ZJ.
We then went through some more narrow wash with some well-placed diff
whackers. Just a quick note, I would not mention this if I really did not
think it was important. The guys that had the new Goodyear tires experienced
some strange behavior. The tires would not hold side to side. Tims front end
slid/jumped to the side off of a couple of rocks and could have bent his
axel tube easily. Don't want to put anyone's stuff or choices down but we
all saw this several times and just wanted to mention it. The rocks were dry
but a bit slick. I think the locker contributed to the slide but this was
way beyond normal. We made great time and made it to the second waterfall
towards the end of the trail. This one is not as tall (7') and not as
vertical. I almost got my tires over the top but was just short. I winched
off a small tree and went up. The cool part on this obstacle was that Tom
with his ZJ was able to go up without a winch. His extra length was all he
needed. Then we hit the end of the trail and again thanks to the winch point
I drove up to a big ledge and then winched over. Everyone made it up okay.
Chuck did a good job considering he did not have a front locker yet; his new
lift seemed to work well. This is a 35" trail, winch required.
It was a beautiful day, flowers were out and the views were great. A good
group of people and lots of fun. I only have a couple of pictures but Tim
should have a bunch. We will get them up soon.
Ross Skinner
17626 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 9:00pm
Subject: t-shirt withdrawal
I heard from Ray. He *was* at the trail head as he said he would be and he and about 8 Jeeps did Box Canyon and Coke Ovens (or thereabouts). So, the leaderless rides comment doesn't apply to him. He said that they had a great time wheeling and a report will follow. Sorry, Ray.
Jon
Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240
17627 From: David <dasumax@e...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2001 9:51pm
Subject: 79 jeep wagoneer
Looking at buying one. Not familiar at all with fsj hoping someone
out there could help me. is this thing full time 4wd, also didn't
see a transfer case shifter, how does this work? also what transfer
case is in it. if it is full time, can it be converted? Anything i
should watch out for on this? any information on this thing at all
would be appreciated
thanks
david
17628 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Sat Jan 20, 2001 5:42pm
Subject: Re: Need 91 XJ Drag Link
try emailing Flexyxj@A... Tell hime Dave sent you...
he just converted to 1ton steering components..
Dave
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17629 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 5:19am
Subject: Re: Sycamore
John,
The squeeze is passable - I've had my YJ through there although there
were only a few inches of water at the time.
The section beyond the squeeze does go through to Upper Sycamore but it
has some very serious rock crawling. Plus, there is one low spot that
is too deep to drive through when it is full of water.
I've heard of people going through but, to this point, that's just a
myth to me. I don't know anyone who has gone through there. We tried
going through from north to south one time but ran into the deep water
and had to turn around.
-Roger
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> Brice and I went down to Lower Sycamore Creek today to stretch a winch cable.
> We went North down the creek until we came to a narrow spot with about 3' of
> water. It looked like a Jeep could get through ok (we were alone so we didn't
> try). We climbed up on one of the big rocks there and beyond the narrow spot
> was a clear area and more narrow canyon. Beyond that were some serious rock
> obstacles but it looked passable. This is the upper end of Lower Sycamore. Has
> anyone gone through there? Does it go all the way through to Upper Sycamore in
> the creek? Except for the thousand or so quads, it was gorgeous back there
> today. I would like to try that area when the water drops a bit. I was a bit
> nervous about possible quick sand.
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Loveless
> (480) 816-6240
17630 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 5:33am
Subject: Re: t-shirt runs
On your question about sway bar disco's, you can get them nearly anywhere locally or over the net. I've gotten pretty good service from Mepco www.mepco4x4.com They'll carry the Tera's.
In terms of brand, the best (IMO) would be either the Tera's or the JKS's. I particularly like the new JKS's because they're adjustable...which and provides greater flexibility in storage pin placement. However, both are very good.
Happy Trails.......
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: KHD1972
To: az_vjc@egroups.com ; Jon Loveless
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] t-shirt runs
I would just like to say thanks to everybody I met today at the air-down spot. I will defenitely be back for the next run I can. I was very encouraged by the warm welcome I received. Being VERY new to jeepin and only a club member since Friday, all the help and tips were GREATLY appreciated. I would have gone on the Coke Oven run, but couldn't disconnect my sway bar, and didn't want to risk my daily driver.
Speaking of that, can anybody recommend a good place to get sway bar link quick-disconnects for a decent price here in the valley?
Thanks again for the warm reception, and I look foward to actually running a trail with you guys in the nearest possible future!!
Keirvan
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Loveless
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 6:26 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] t-shirt runs
Well, sorry about the leaderless runs. I tried hard to get the leaders to all show up at the Texaco station, but... Well, the Woodpecker group had a good time anyway. I don't know what happened with the Coke Ovens group. I hope you all met up with Ray and had a good run, or at least one of you knew the route and led you himself. If not, sorry. That is the last time I will organize a run like that without committed run leaders.
Jon
Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240
17631 From: Tim Naylor <tnaylorsprint@e...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 6:11am
Subject: Axle Alley 1-20 photos
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1371843&a=11110794
This is the complete set
17632 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 7:20am
Subject: Fw: 79 jeep wagoneer
Sounds like you found a '79 with the TH400 auto transmission and the
full-time 4WD Quadratrac (BW1339) transfer case. The Quadratrac (QT) is a
full time case that can be placed in emergency mode via a vacuum switch
located in the glove box. Emergency mode effectively locks the t-case such
that both axles are driven. If the QT is equipped with a low range, a
shifter will be located on the "hump" just in front and below the driver's
seat.
Milemarker makes a part time kit which converts the QT to part-time and
installs hubs on the front axle. I have this installed in my FSJ. Milemarker
also makes the kit with a 16% overdrive.
The QT has been much maligned but it is a decent t-case. I would say the
major disadvantages are that both shafts come of the passenger side forcing
the rear axle diff to be offset.....making it tough (read $$$) to makes
changes/axle upgrades. Also, the QT chain is always engaged, so it wears
more than other t-cases.
Give me a call at 623-877-3125 if you want more info.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David <dasumax@e...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:51 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
>
>
>>Looking at buying one. Not familiar at all with fsj hoping someone
>>out there could help me. is this thing full time 4wd, also didn't
>>see a transfer case shifter, how does this work? also what transfer
>>case is in it. if it is full time, can it be converted? Anything i
>>should watch out for on this? any information on this thing at all
>>would be appreciated
>>thanks
>>david
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
17633 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 7:52am
Subject: FW: [Fwd: Arizona land closures... [Yahoo! Clubs: GLAMIS DUNERS ' FOR CLEAN DUNES']]
From: asa_rick clubs-mail@y...
To: tonyh@d...
Subject: Arizona land closures... [Yahoo! Clubs: GLAMIS DUNERS 'FOR CLEAN DUNES']
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:45:47 -0700
The following was sent out by the ASA:
The ASA has been asked to help spread the word about the Arizona land
closures:
There's an info meeting and cleanup scheduled. The info can be found at
http://www.glamisonline.org/cleanup/arizona_land_closure.htm
Vincent J. Brunasso
President American Sand Association
GlamisOnLine.org
PMB 108
1911 Foothill Blvd.
La Verne, CA 91750
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17634 From: Matt Ulepic <mulepic@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 7:53am
Subject: Re: 79 jeep wagoneer
David, I just purchased an '87 for $2300, it's in really nice shape. I just
finished doing a front SOA conversion yesterday. These things look really
good lifted. I suggest you make sure the wagoneer has a d44 front and rear
and the factory tow package. The tow package ensures it has a transmission
cooler. I have the 360 v-8, if you can find the 401 I think that would be a
treat.
George, what is the backspacing and wheel size you are using to fit the
35's? I see yours is a wt, so I'm willing to do some fender trimming.
Also, do you have a SOA?
Does anyone here know where I can get 15x8, 6 on 5.5 steel wheels for cheep?
Thanks,
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Andrews" <gandre01@m...>
To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:20 AM
Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
> Sounds like you found a '79 with the TH400 auto transmission and the
> full-time 4WD Quadratrac (BW1339) transfer case. The Quadratrac (QT) is a
> full time case that can be placed in emergency mode via a vacuum switch
> located in the glove box. Emergency mode effectively locks the t-case such
> that both axles are driven. If the QT is equipped with a low range, a
> shifter will be located on the "hump" just in front and below the
driver's
> seat.
>
> Milemarker makes a part time kit which converts the QT to part-time and
> installs hubs on the front axle. I have this installed in my FSJ.
Milemarker
> also makes the kit with a 16% overdrive.
>
> The QT has been much maligned but it is a decent t-case. I would say the
> major disadvantages are that both shafts come of the passenger side
forcing
> the rear axle diff to be offset.....making it tough (read $$$) to makes
> changes/axle upgrades. Also, the QT chain is always engaged, so it wears
> more than other t-cases.
>
> Give me a call at 623-877-3125 if you want more info.
>
> George Andrews
> '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
> '00 TJ
> Avondale Arizona
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: David <dasumax@e...>
> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> >Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:51 PM
> >Subject: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
> >
> >
> >>Looking at buying one. Not familiar at all with fsj hoping someone
> >>out there could help me. is this thing full time 4wd, also didn't
> >>see a transfer case shifter, how does this work? also what transfer
> >>case is in it. if it is full time, can it be converted? Anything i
> >>should watch out for on this? any information on this thing at all
> >>would be appreciated
> >>thanks
> >>david
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
17635 From: James Junkin <jjunkin@p...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:30am
Subject: Re: 79 jeep wagoneer
Discount Tire has em or any junkyard. All 6 lug wheels have the same bolt
pattern.
James Junkin
O||||||O
'81 SJ Cherokee "Midnight" 4" Skyjacker, 33x12.5 BFG AT's, Warn XD9000, etc
'98 TJ Teraflexed, ARB's, BFG 35x12.5 MT's, etc, etc.
'97 TJ "Loong" Term Project
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Ulepic" <mulepic@h...>
To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>; "George Andrews" <gandre01@m...>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
> David, I just purchased an '87 for $2300, it's in really nice shape. I
just
> finished doing a front SOA conversion yesterday. These things look really
> good lifted. I suggest you make sure the wagoneer has a d44 front and
rear
> and the factory tow package. The tow package ensures it has a
transmission
> cooler. I have the 360 v-8, if you can find the 401 I think that would be
a
> treat.
>
> George, what is the backspacing and wheel size you are using to fit the
> 35's? I see yours is a wt, so I'm willing to do some fender trimming.
> Also, do you have a SOA?
>
> Does anyone here know where I can get 15x8, 6 on 5.5 steel wheels for
cheep?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Andrews" <gandre01@m...>
> To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:20 AM
> Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
>
>
> > Sounds like you found a '79 with the TH400 auto transmission and the
> > full-time 4WD Quadratrac (BW1339) transfer case. The Quadratrac (QT) is
a
> > full time case that can be placed in emergency mode via a vacuum switch
> > located in the glove box. Emergency mode effectively locks the t-case
such
> > that both axles are driven. If the QT is equipped with a low range, a
> > shifter will be located on the "hump" just in front and below the
> driver's
> > seat.
> >
> > Milemarker makes a part time kit which converts the QT to part-time and
> > installs hubs on the front axle. I have this installed in my FSJ.
> Milemarker
> > also makes the kit with a 16% overdrive.
> >
> > The QT has been much maligned but it is a decent t-case. I would say the
> > major disadvantages are that both shafts come of the passenger side
> forcing
> > the rear axle diff to be offset.....making it tough (read $$$) to makes
> > changes/axle upgrades. Also, the QT chain is always engaged, so it wears
> > more than other t-cases.
> >
> > Give me a call at 623-877-3125 if you want more info.
> >
> > George Andrews
> > '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
> > '00 TJ
> > Avondale Arizona
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: David <dasumax@e...>
> > >To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> > >Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:51 PM
> > >Subject: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
> > >
> > >
> > >>Looking at buying one. Not familiar at all with fsj hoping someone
> > >>out there could help me. is this thing full time 4wd, also didn't
> > >>see a transfer case shifter, how does this work? also what transfer
> > >>case is in it. if it is full time, can it be converted? Anything i
> > >>should watch out for on this? any information on this thing at all
> > >>would be appreciated
> > >>thanks
> > >>david
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
17636 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:26am
Subject: Re: which jeep to buy
I like the CJ7 idea better. Either one you will have to work on to get really
built. But the CJ7 at least has a AMC20 rear that you can put 1 piece axles in
and be strong enough for 35's. The YJ will still have the C35. Either one's
front end will need to be swapped out. Also, a 350 swap into the CJ will be
easier due to wiring, clearance, etc.
Anyway, just a few thoughts. Of course I'm kind of partial to CJ's with my '83
CJ7. =)
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
17637 From: Kevin <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:31am
Subject: new XJ tranny cooler for sale
I have a brand new tranny cooler that i got from a jeep dealership because i thought mine was bad in my 88XJ...then my jeep got stolen. So i guess I will sell it. It has the hoses and whatever on it. I think I paid like $75 or something for it, cant really remember. If you want it, make an offer. I am in Chandler, AZ.
Kevin
17638 From: Kevin <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:45am
Subject: Re: which jeep to buy
ya, im thinkin CJ is better too...but on the rear AMC 20 I know that I could
get a full floater conversion that has 29slipe shafts which is pretty close
to what a D44 is, but the amc20 will hold larger gears. The only thing I
have heard about the AMC20 is that it flexes. Do you have tusses or
something like that on your axle to prevent the axle from flexing? What is
a good donor vehicle to rob a front axle from for the front of a CJ7? I
wanna run at least 35s on there.
kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] which jeep to buy
> I like the CJ7 idea better. Either one you will have to work on to get
really
> built. But the CJ7 at least has a AMC20 rear that you can put 1 piece
axles in
> and be strong enough for 35's. The YJ will still have the C35. Either
one's
> front end will need to be swapped out. Also, a 350 swap into the CJ will
be
> easier due to wiring, clearance, etc.
>
> Anyway, just a few thoughts. Of course I'm kind of partial to CJ's with
my '83
> CJ7. =)
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
>
>
>
>
>
>
17639 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:52am
Subject: Re: which jeep to buy
Kevin wrote:
> Last night I had pretty much decided to buy a nice CJ to replace my stolen
> XJ...but then this morning I got a call and found out that there is an 88YJ
> with 4.2L, auto, and 42k miles on it for sale for $8000.
That sounds a bit high to me. You might want to run it past kbb.com or
edmunds.
17640 From: Joshua N. Schwiesow <jnschwie@s...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:56am
Subject: Back in nice Warm Wisconsin-report
Hello and THANK YOU to everyone in the AZVJC!
I'm finally back up and on-line in Madison, WI after a slight detour in
Milwaukee at my parents' place. Here's a readers digest version of a report
of our Arizona Adventure: (I'll put a bigger one on my website when I can!)
Sat Jan 6th,
Saguaro Lakes: What a great place nearby town to four wheel! Beautiful
sights and mini obstacles to test new stuff on! I never saw so many
Saguaros! We visited all four coves!
Sun Jan 7th
Road to Crown King: Met up with many of you, which was awesome! This was
probably the most fun trail of the trip. Lots of neat obstacles which we
did! It was amazing to watch the elevation on my GPS as we climbed the
switchbacks at the end. That was fun, even though I hate heights! :-) It
was really amazing when we were up watching some of you help the stock ZJ
and 2 stock XJ's try to climb "the ledge." It was so far away from where we
watched, but we got to that height in minutes! I got a pic of it. I'm glad
they eventually made it up!
Tues Jan 9th,
Box Canyon/Coke Ovens: Went through this. Unfortunately we left our
windows and doors in Peoria as it started raining hard. Box Canyon was fun,
and I'll take my ZJ through it if I get to come back on clerkship next year.
Coke Ovens was neat too, although Deuty's waypoints were not on any trails
(and I double checked that I entered them correctly). Luckily, the
knowledge from Letham's book had me navigating well and my eMap had us
unlost no-probs. Although, we attempted to go back down Box Canyon through
the pouring rain, and after some slippery big rock crawling, we discovered
we were going down a wash! Oops, sorry dad! :-)
Thurs Jan 11th,
Broken Arrow, Sedona: Definitely the most scenic trail of trip! What fun!
Got many amazing pictures for my GF who thought Arizona was all desert from
border to border! :-) We ran into the pink jeep folks who asked if we were
stuck when we parked in the middle of a perfectly flat rock (I didn't know
there was special parking areas!) After we stopped giggling we asked if she
was serious. She actually said yeah, she could radio for help. We just
shook our heads and laughed on the way back to the rig. Other than that, we
just smiled and waved, and they weren't really too bad to us.
I mapped the whole thing on my eMap (as with most of the trails, and this
data will go on my site or a database at some point for anyone who wants
waypoints.)
Sat Jan 13th,
White Tanks with Chris R. This was really cool of Chris to show us this
neat little area to play in. Lots of neat obstacles, and lots of by-passes.
We got to do some play on the rocks, but I couldn't convince my dad to let
me do this waterfall due to time constraints, and the possibility of
disaster! :-) That decision was probably much more sound than my own. :-)
It's probably a good thing I'm not a student in Arizona with places like
these so nearby, I would definitely get a lot less done!
Sun Jan 14th,
Table Mesa Fun Run. Stu lead a little trip in the area just between black
canyon city and new river. (I have most of the tracks of this on my GPS
too.) I really liked listening to Stu's little spiel as we'd go past all
the sites, it really made me feel like I was in a "Rick Russell" off-road
adventure, which I enjoy watching, b/c it's the best things about four
wheeling: Sights, stories, and maps! I even had to use my lockers at one
point! :-) I liked seeing the upper terminator and I think anaconda. It
was nice to meet more club members there too!
So, a big thank you to Stu, Len, LarryM, Shane, Dave S, Mike (the people
who's names I can remember!) and EVERYONE else who went along and helped me
find things! (I'm really sorry to those whose name I forgot, I'm terrible
at that, you know who you are!) An EXTRA HUGE THANKS to Chris R for setting
the whole thing up and introducing me to AZVJC!
Chris, I'll get the pics scanned soon I hope (I still have a few rolls to
get back) and we'll upload them to photopoint, or maybe the 4bangers files,
or something, I bet a few of them want to see them (I'll sign back on that
forum in a few days!)
Thanks again,
Joshua N. Schwiesow
95YJ -Madison/Milwaukee, WI
(convinced he would move to Arizona given opportunity! :-)
17641 From: Devon Whitney <a74cj6@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 9:05am
Subject: Re: t-shirt runs
We found Ray right where Jon said he'd be without any problems. We
aired down there, took off and in my opinion, had a really great
trip. I think Ray said he was going to do a write-up so look for
that. I only took a few pictures but they're at:
http://a74cj6.homestead.com/bc.html
We had nine Jeeps and a great time. It was nice to meet all the new
people.
Best Regards,
Devon
1974 CJ-6
a74cj6@a...
www.5pillars.com/ucan2
www.homestead.com/a74cj6
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...> wrote:
> FWIW... I put out an email to the group that I would TRY to be at
> texaco, but regardless would lead the run. I put out a last minute
> email that I wouldnt be able to make the texaco meet due to time,
but
> would meet at the boxcanyon airdown spot and STILL lead the run. I
led
> the run (with some help from a couple of the other Jeepers) and we
had a
> GREAT time. I apolagize if I wasn't able to drive an extra hour
(up
and
> back) in the cold after a long night to the Texaco just to
immediately
> turn around and go BACK the way I just came.
> Don't wanna sound like I'm griping, but the "leaderless" comment
emails
> kinda hurt!
>
> I'm through...thanks for your attention, and I hope to be able to
lead
> another run in the future as I and all of the group had a Great
time!
> Ray.
>
> Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> > Well, sorry about the leaderless runs. I tried hard to get the
> > leaders to all show up at the Texaco station, but... Well, the
> > Woodpecker group had a good time anyway. I don't know what
happened
> > with the Coke Ovens group. I hope you all met up with Ray and had
a
> > good run, or at least one of you knew the route and led you
himself.
> > If not, sorry. That is the last time I will organize a run like
that
> > without committed run leaders.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > Jon Loveless
> > (480) 816-6240
>
> --
> ...---===Ray===---...
>
>
> http://www.sixfigureincome.com/?841576
17642 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:38am
Subject: Fw: 79 jeep wagoneer
Matt,
My Cherokee is a WT so 35's fit fine with OEM backspacing. I believe it is
4". I do not run a SOA but I do have a 3" body lift in order to fit the big
block.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Ulepic <mulepic@h...>
To: azvjc <az_vjc@egroups.com>; George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
>David, I just purchased an '87 for $2300, it's in really nice shape. I
just
>finished doing a front SOA conversion yesterday. These things look really
>good lifted. I suggest you make sure the wagoneer has a d44 front and rear
>and the factory tow package. The tow package ensures it has a transmission
>cooler. I have the 360 v-8, if you can find the 401 I think that would be
a
>treat.
>
>George, what is the backspacing and wheel size you are using to fit the
>35's? I see yours is a wt, so I'm willing to do some fender trimming.
>Also, do you have a SOA?
>
>Does anyone here know where I can get 15x8, 6 on 5.5 steel wheels for
cheep?
>
>Thanks,
>Matt
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George Andrews" <gandre01@m...>
>To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:20 AM
>Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
>
>
>> Sounds like you found a '79 with the TH400 auto transmission and the
>> full-time 4WD Quadratrac (BW1339) transfer case. The Quadratrac (QT) is a
>> full time case that can be placed in emergency mode via a vacuum switch
>> located in the glove box. Emergency mode effectively locks the t-case
such
>> that both axles are driven. If the QT is equipped with a low range, a
>> shifter will be located on the "hump" just in front and below the
>driver's
>> seat.
>>
>> Milemarker makes a part time kit which converts the QT to part-time and
>> installs hubs on the front axle. I have this installed in my FSJ.
>Milemarker
>> also makes the kit with a 16% overdrive.
>>
>> The QT has been much maligned but it is a decent t-case. I would say the
>> major disadvantages are that both shafts come of the passenger side
>forcing
>> the rear axle diff to be offset.....making it tough (read $$$) to makes
>> changes/axle upgrades. Also, the QT chain is always engaged, so it wears
>> more than other t-cases.
>>
>> Give me a call at 623-877-3125 if you want more info.
>>
>> George Andrews
>> '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
>> '00 TJ
>> Avondale Arizona
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: David <dasumax@e...>
>> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>> >Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:51 PM
>> >Subject: [az_vjc] 79 jeep wagoneer
>> >
>> >
>> >>Looking at buying one. Not familiar at all with fsj hoping someone
>> >>out there could help me. is this thing full time 4wd, also didn't
>> >>see a transfer case shifter, how does this work? also what transfer
>> >>case is in it. if it is full time, can it be converted? Anything i
>> >>should watch out for on this? any information on this thing at all
>> >>would be appreciated
>> >>thanks
>> >>david
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
17643 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:49am
Subject: Re: which jeep to buy
Ross Skinner would be a great source for the info on a good donor vehicle for a
front end. If you want to try to stay with the same width that you have now,
your gonna want to find an old wagoneer (narrow track) and cut the axle down
4". This will get you into custom length axles which can be a little more
expensive to replace if broken, but keeps you near your current track width.
Ross can help you figure out how to run full width ones.
As for the rear, I do not have mine trussed. I just make sure not to jump it
off sand dunes and launch it off high cliffs! =) Full floater kit is a good
idea. But my feeling is if you plan to run nothing larger than 35's, the one
piece axles will do you just fine. (But if you want to flat tow it, that is a
different story and might warrant a full floater kit). If you plan to go larger
than 35's, swap out the AMC20 entirely for something like a D60. D60 rears with
D44 fronts and tires around 38" or smaller seem to work out real well for those
running them.
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
17644 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2001 11:05am
Subject: Ross' MT/R comments
After reading Ross' Axle Alley report, I thought I would address his
MT/R comment. In my experience (I run these tires in the 33-inch
flavor), Ross is ... right on the mark. Let me say that I've spoken
highly of these tires and still believe you'd be hard-pressed to find
a better "dual-purpose" tire.
But I have noticed the tire's lateral traction to be questionable.
Ross saw it first-hand on my rig when we ran Predator. When taking an
obstacle straight on, the tires perform great. But when you have to
rely on the sidewalls to hold you onto a rock, well, you're in for a
lot of slipping.
I still like the tires, great onroad, great offroad in almost all
instances. I usually run at 9-10 psi. Still, when I go SOA soon, I'm
almost certainly going to move to some form of Swamper.
Dion
94 YJ Sahara