Why do people hate rubicon owners?

[Griswold]

I don't think people really dislike the rubicon itself but have some beef with people that buy them? What is that about?
I just got my arse chewed by some kid that wheels grassy fields in Orlando on JU because I own one.

[DsrtJeeper]

I don't think people really dislike the rubicon itself but have some beef with people that buy them? What is that about?
I just got my arse chewed by some kid that wheels grassy fields in Orlando on JU because I own one.

That's why I stay off of JU. I think it's dual 44 envy. :D

[Griswold]

There are a whole lot of people on that site that are much better equipped than I am. So now what's the beef?

[1BLKJP]

Yeah, Agree with Eric. F JU first off.

Don't know really about why people are anti Rubicon owners. Maybe because some people buy Rubicons and then go places in them that they don't have an inkling of skill to be doing? We all know that a locker is not a license to drive 4.0 rated trails.

[Devil Man]

I don't think people really dislike the rubicon itself but have some beef with people that buy them? What is that about?
I just got my arse chewed by some kid that wheels grassy fields in Orlando on JU because I own one.
DONT SWEAT IT :) I LOVE ALL 4X4'S :D

[Griswold]

Yeah, Agree with Eric. F JU first off.

Don't know really about why people are anti Rubicon owners. Maybe because some people buy Rubicons and then go places in them that they don't have an inkling of skill to be doing? We all know that a locker is not a license to drive 4.0 rated trails.
Sorry, I meant jeepaholics which is generally a friendly crowd.

[Griswold]

DONT SWEAT IT :) I LOVE ALL 4X4'S :D
I love you too man.:o

[k7mto]

For your reading pleasure...

http://www.jeepaholics.com/support/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20861&SearchTerms=rubicons

Personally, if I could afford one, I'd likely own one. That said, I think the main issue is that some Jeepers who adhere to the 'Jeeps are built, not bought' credo assume all Rubicon owners are yuppies who 'bought' their 'built' rigs and apparently take offense to that. Most of us know those in this club who own Rubicons still modify them to some extent to make them even more capable than they are from the factory.

[Crawldit]

I can't wait to wheel my Rubi and see what it does stock. My X had a 6" lift and 34's and was at the point that it needed bigger axles, lower gears, and some lockers. Rather that drop $10k in upgrades I traded in for a Rubi. With a mild lift and some 33's I'm guessing that it would outwheel that X with $10k worth of mods on most any trail ( that I run at least). What's funny is that I've noticed less Jeep waves driving the stock Rubicon. I've even gotten a couple of startled looks from Jeepers when they saw me waving at them.

[richard]

I think it is because most are mall crusers.

[LOST TJ]

And i thought it was just because i was butt ugly and smelled. I'm relieved it is just because my Jeep. :D Actually i have yet to meet anyone in this club that wasn't nice,helpfull and just out for a fun time. No matter what they drive.

[RokNRich]

I thought it was because I'm better looking than them....but after AZ TJ said "i thought it was just because i was butt ugly and smelled." now I'm starting to wonder. :D

There are some people who feel that way though, I try not to sweat it.

[Antman]

I think its the "bought not built" syndome. The boys I run with have a Ruby owner who runs with us, (BLKRUBY), and we make Cliff run in the back with his highly modified RubiKong.:D We call his Ruby a "gadget Jeep" cause he always has to be reminded to turn on his front locker.:D So we have a Gadget Jeep and a extreme flexing "Stinking Sahara", (TC's Toy), and then my "mostly" stock Sport TJ. :rolleyes: OH! and I almost forgot, Devilman's highly modified and broken CJ.:D

P.S. This last time it wasn't your fault Devilman.:cool:


http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2179&stc=1&d=1126363902

Cliff's RubiKong!

[jeep4offrd]

Me and the people in my circle ( my wife ):D dont hate rubi owners. Or at least were not going to admit here. :eek:

Hey anyone looking for a sweet YJ. I'm gonna get me rubi too. I'm seriously considering it.

[Antman]

Another picture of RubiKong!



http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2180&stc=1&d=1126364238


Cliff coming out of the Bathtub at the Crack's:eek:

[fatbob309]

You want to know why? Because when the con came out a few of the people on JU and other places had a “We are gods bow before us” attitude. It was Rubicon’s and all the others… It pissed off a bunch of people. Its not so bad now, but you still get a few that hate con owners. If you have a jeep and wheel it that cool to me. JK and all.

[Hackle]

The Rubicon comes dressed stock well enough to run trails that other jeeps had to build up to do. What was missed along the way was the driver's learning curve. The Jeep was ready for the trail the driver was not. It gave them a bad rep on a lot of trails. I personaly do not care what you drive as long as you drive it well and respect the land and trail that you are on.
Jim F.

[Griswold]

The Rubicon comes dressed stock well enough to run trails that other jeeps had to build up to do. What was missed along the way was the driver's learning curve. The Jeep was ready for the trail the driver was not. It gave them a bad rep on a lot of trails. I personaly do not care what you drive as long as you drive it well and respect the land and trail that you are on.
Jim F.


That makes sense. My sickness started in 1994 with the purchase of my first Jeep, a 1995 YJ.

[LOST TJ]

The Rubicon comes dressed stock well enough to run trails that other jeeps had to build up to do. What was missed along the way was the driver's learning curve. The Jeep was ready for the trail the driver was not. It gave them a bad rep on a lot of trails. I personaly do not care what you drive as long as you drive it well and respect the land and trail that you are on.
Jim F.

I can see where that would give some owners a bad name. On the other hand i have seen people buy other rigs that were already built up and not know how to drive. All Rubicon owners shouldn't be put down for the few that do that. Some people probably put me in that group, but i wheeled a Stock Toyota pickup on 31s for 12 years and wheeled a lifted Liberty on 30s for two years before i bought my Rubicon. It made more sense for me to buy the Rubi. I always wanted actuated lockers of some sort on my other rigs but could not afford them. I was able to buy something that already had them and finance them into the total price. More expensive in the long run but works for me. Then what little money i have left for mods i was able to put into a lift, tires and armor. Even though i have been wheeling for 15 years i still am learning how to drive (especially in the big rocks) but i am sure there is somebody out there going :rolleyes: there is one of those Rubi noobie jerks........

[Sedona Jeep School]

The Rubicon comes dressed stock well enough to run trails that other jeeps had to build up to do. What was missed along the way was the driver's learning curve. The Jeep was ready for the trail the driver was not. It gave them a bad rep on a lot of trails. I personaly do not care what you drive as long as you drive it well and respect the land and trail that you are on.
Jim F.
Amen, Jim. We all need to be less superficially judgmental. Some Rubi owners bought it as their 17th 4-wheel drive because they appreciate the capabilities; some Rubi owners are new to the sport, and wanted the best they could buy, rather than building from scratch; and some Rubi owners just liked the color. As long as they respect the trails, let them enjoy it however they want!

[Quasimotor]

I think a major point everyone has missed here is Dues.

As with anything in life, people don't respect you give you the time of day in a sport/hobby unless they feel you've paid yor dues to be there.

The problem I see with Ubercon owners is, they buy it off the lot, and as mentioned above it's good to go. The owner hasn't had to wrench on it, or mod it, they just had the $$$ to purchase it, and now they think they are offroad enthusiasts. Well to me, unless you put some blood sweat and tears into your rig, you don't #1 appreciate it and treat it with respect, and #2 you don't have as much invested, and hence dues paid (speaking more of time and effort investment, than being wealthy and just paying everyone to do your work). I mean, what fun is it, to show up to a sport or hobby with the best of everything and blow everyone away? It is for you, but everyone else will hate you for it. And to be honest, building it is half the sport for me. I coudl afford a rubi if I wanted, and have thought about it. I'd rather make what I want out of a blank canvas and have it be my own in some way, than a cookie cutter approach to the hobby.

I come from a drag racing background, and it's the same there. You can buy a turn key race car, and run like hell, while trying to learn how to drive it. Nobody will respect you, until you've broken it, and had to fix it your self, or your just a naturally talented driver who does things with equipment others can't. I would think it's much the same here. Rub owners for the most part simply haven't paid their dues, and in many eyes haven't earned the right to be on the trail with others who have.

Now with saying that, I'm not saying by any means I've paid my dues, or have earned the respect of other wheelers I'd like to. But, I'm building my rig, and learning the why's and hows, not just buying something ready to go, and pointing it at a hill or rock, and pounding on my chest about it.

Soap Box away....
Jim

[Antman]

I think a major point everyone has missed here is Dues.

As with anything in life, people don't respect you give you the time of day in a sport/hobby unless they feel you've paid yor dues to be there.

The problem I see with Ubercon owners is, they buy it off the lot, and as mentioned above it's good to go. The owner hasn't had to wrench on it, or mod it, they just had the $$$ to purchase it, and now they think they are offroad enthusiasts. Well to me, unless you put some blood sweat and tears into your rig, you don't #1 appreciate it and treat it with respect, and #2 you don't have as much invested, and hence dues paid (speaking more of time and effort investment, than being wealthy and just paying everyone to do your work). I mean, what fun is it, to show up to a sport or hobby with the best of everything and blow everyone away? It is for you, but everyone else will hate you for it. And to be honest, building it is half the sport for me. I coudl afford a rubi if I wanted, and have thought about it. I'd rather make what I want out of a blank canvas and have it be my own in some way, than a cookie cutter approach to the hobby.

I come from a drag racing background, and it's the same there. You can buy a turn key race car, and run like hell, while trying to learn how to drive it. Nobody will respect you, until you've broken it, and had to fix it your self, or your just a naturally talented driver who does things with equipment others can't. I would think it's much the same here. Rub owners for the most part simply haven't paid their dues, and in many eyes haven't earned the right to be on the trail with others who have.

Now with saying that, I'm not saying by any means I've paid my dues, or have earned the respect of other wheelers I'd like to. But, I'm building my rig, and learning the why's and hows, not just buying something ready to go, and pointing it at a hill or rock.

Soap Box away....
Jim


You all have seen the pictures of Cliff's RubiKong that I posted. Sure there are a lot of bigger built Rubi's, but the main reason I posted those pics of Cliff's is he wheels it every weekend, Usually driving from Phoenix to Payson or up here to the north. He has come a long way in the last year with that jeep and I cant think of a more enthuistic wheeler in the club! Mos of the ribbing I see is all in fun anyway.:rolleyes:

PS Dont tell him I said that or he'll get a Rubihead.:D

[Quasimotor]

You all have seen the pictures of Cliff's RubiKong that I posted. Sure there are a lot of bigger built Rubi's, but the main reason I posted those pics of Cliff's is he wheels it every weekend, Usually driving from Phoenix to Payson or up here to the north. He has come a long way in the last year with that jeep and I cant think of a more enthuistic wheeler in the club! Mos of the ribbing I see is all in fun anyway.:rolleyes:

PS Dont tell him I said that or he'll get a Rubihead.:DI wheel just about every weekend as well, in fact I drive all the way across arizona lots of times to wheel (when I get an invite to). Otherwise I run to Chiva or the gap or FJ almost every spare moment I get. Nobody is discounting the fact Ubercon owners want to wheel, or are trying to learn. The main difference is, I put every piece on my rig, down to the ring and pinion and detroit. I bleed on each part, and am always looking to improve my rig in some way. I don't just drop my new rubi off at Troy's or someplace liek that, an say make it bad ***, and then show up on a run and want to be one of the guys. That's the difference. And besides Rubi owners are always saying things like " You shoulda just bought a rubicon and you wouldn't have that problem". (sorry Cliff) that kind of **** makes my blood boil.

Would you all watch nascar if allthe cars were the same setup and shape and it was run like IROC series, where everything is equal?

Heck no, we each want to be different or individual (take Devilman for instance) and if you get a herd of rubi's together that's not individual.
IMHO
P.S. My two best wheeling buddies, and who I wheel with on a regular basis, both have Ubercons.

[RokNRich]

Most of the Rubi guys I know have done alot of the work on their rigs themselves.

I think when the Rubi first came out people that bought them were pretty vocal about it being the "best Jeep ever built". Now I'm sure that pissed off a lot of people who "built" their rigs and who could blame them.

[Antman]

Look at me!:eek: I didnt get into this thread to defend Rubi's or their owners. I was just pointing out that there are some Rubi owners who are an exception to the bought it built Rubicon rule. I personnally am not impressed with the damn "gaget Jeep" in the first place. It doesnt have REAL Dana 44 axles and the only thing it has that a regular jeep SHOULD have is the SYE and 4 to 1 xfer case.
I dont particulally care for the gearing of the axles or the AIR lockers.

I would much rather have the money the Rubi cost to build my own jeep.:D



:rolleyes: Sorry Cliff..........:p

[1BLKJP]

Yeah, I never saw anyone say that Rich didn't build his rig or his friends. Or that Gris didn't build his rig. Hell Don has taken his rubicon to more extreme than most other jeeps. We all know that there are a lot of Rubicons on this board that have done a lot of work on their junk and wheel them pretty hard.

What is being said is of a general perception that "some" people just go out and spend 30k on a vehicle and then come into the world assuming that it can go anywhere they want it to or anywhere some of ours can go just becuase they saw a commercial.

That being said this is not your typical "web wheeler" board. We don't have a lot of dumb*sses with attitudes on here that don't know any better.

[Devil Man]

cant we all just get along & love all 4x4's :D i need to buy a rubi so i can go out every weekend since my built rig is allways broken :eek:

[Antman]

That being said this is not your typical "web wheeler" board. We don't have a lot of dumb*sses with attitudes on here that don't know any better.

:D Wow! we've coma a long way baby!:D I think your right. Most of the people I know on here wheel hard and wheel a lot.:D Except for those that are broke a lot. They wheel a lot between breaks.....:rolleyes:

[1BLKJP]

:D Wow! we've coma a long way baby!:D I think your right. Most of the people I know on here wheel hard and wheel a lot.:D Except for those that are broke a lot. They wheel a lot between breaks.....:rolleyes:

Hell Antman, recently i'm in that broke a lot category. :D :mad: :D

And DMAN, you gotta take that avatar down, that one is just wrong man. I can't stop staring at it like a car wreck brotha. :D

[SavageSun4x4]

I bought my Rubicon to wheel and build. But at that time in my life I had a company to run and time was not my friend. I would rather wheel than build. But I also knew that when it came time for me to start building those Rubicon parts would bring more than than other OEM parts. It sure felt good when I sold my complete axle sets for $3750 which went to the DynaTrac fund. Doubt that a set of D30/D35's would have brought that kind of money, even brand new and I had 2 years and 35k miles on them.

Now days with much more time on my hands I do most of my own building. I can honestly say that my Rubicon has provided a good base to start out with.

Nor has anyone said anything to me about it being a "Rubicon". May be 'cause the day I picked it up I drove straight to the offroad shop and got some basics installed, lift, belly up etc. And, yes, I have replaced it all.

Maybe some of it is my attitude towards folks. I'll wheel with you as long as your bring a good attitude. Your rig can be from stock to not, mild to wild and you can be 18-80 blind broke or crazy, sick lame or lazy, will won't or maybe, just show up to have fun and be a positive person.

[Devil Man]

Hell Antman, recently i'm in that broke a lot category. :D :mad: :D

And DMAN, you gotta take that avatar down, that one is just wrong man. I can't stop staring at it like a car wreck brotha. :D
Jack you will be back on the trail (cybr trail) soon wont you :confused:

[AZJeeps TJ&XJ]

Well since I fall under one of the Con owners I might add some in here. I personally have never received any negative responses from anyone when they find out that mine is a Rubi. Most of the time they ask how I like it and my opinions on it. I also don't rub it in that I own a Rubi, granted my license plate does say 03rubi, then again one of my XJ's says 90xj, and the will probably say 88XJ here soon.

Like others I got it because I wanted a good platform to start on, and the help of a factory warranty on top of that. Plus when I was looking at getting a new TJ, the price difference of roughly $2700 between a Sport setup how I wanted it and the Rubi, I figured it was well worth it. I estimated it would be over $3000 to get a sport to the same level as the rubi.

Now I will admit that mine does look like a mall cruiser, and I am a web wheeler, but that is because I work full time and I am still in school. But that hasn't kept me from doing all of the work on mine myself (with the exception of building the front bumper). I have built the rear bumper, belly skid, rockers, and a number of other mods.

But I believe that the perception of Rubi owners was/is drown from some of the early instances, and that some just might be jealous. But again most of the time I see/hear of any bad mouthing has been on Pirate, and JU. As I haven't heard of any locals like that because we're all friends here....RIGHT....

[Devil Man]

because we're all friends here....RIGHT....
you got that right :D

[Sedona Jeep School]

I think a major point everyone has missed here is Dues....The owner hasn't had to wrench on it, or mod it, they just had the $$$ to purchase it, and now they think they are offroad enthusiasts. Well to me, unless you put some blood sweat and tears into your rig, you don't #1 appreciate it and treat it with respect, and #2 you don't have as much invested, and hence dues paid (speaking more of time and effort investment, than being wealthy and just paying everyone to do your work).
Wow, Jim. I enjoy your posts, but this post was uncharacteristically acerbic for you. I am blessed with the opportunity to work with both old and new Jeepers every day. In general, I would say this:

1. Rubi owners may not have paid their dues in building the Jeep, but they DID pay dues to be able to afford a Rubi. MOST of the Rubi owners I have dealt with have worked very hard in their lives to be in a position to buy a Rubicon (and chose it even if they could afford an H1), whether it is their first 4x4, or their 50th.

2. MOST Rubi owners I have encountered fall in to one of two categories: A) very attentive learners (even the experienced wheelers are always learning) who absorb all they can about the sport, for whatever level of wheeling in which they are interested, or
B) Proud owners (not Jeepers) who have no intention of ever taking their precious pretty Rubicon on anything more exciting than a speed bump, but the salesman told them it was "the best" Jeep.

Either way, most of them show a lot of love and respect to the vehicle they bought with their hard-earned dollars. That said, there are always a few jerks who ruin it for everyone, no matter what the topic. None of us can make accurate assumptions about someone because of the decal on the Jeep (except Devilman's Jeep :D )

...building it is half the sport for me. I coudl afford a rubi if I wanted, and have thought about it. I'd rather make what I want out of a blank canvas and have it be my own in some way, than a cookie cutter approach to the hobby.
To each his own! Rubicon owners who actually Jeep don't use the cookie cutter--(see RubiKong!)--the Rubi is just a great platform with which to start.

I think it is awesome that you build your own, but on the other hand, I know some great 4-wheelers who won't change oil. Doing your own wrenching can be part of the fun, and "empowering", but are you saying that the guy who, say, has chosen to pay Joe Daro do all of his work, is less welcome on the trails? Saying you have to build it yourself to be respected in the sport is like saying Tiger Woods should make his own golf clubs. Sorry--bad analogy--golf is not actually a sport :D

Anyway, wheel what you have, and appreciate the different perspectives that other Jeepers can offer.

Love, peace, and brownies.

[Quasimotor]

Nena,
I may have come off harsh, and I would never assume to be the one to dictate who should be on the trails and who shouldn't, I was simply giving my impression/opinion as to why they arn't getting the respect their off the shelf rig should get.

I do feel however, in general, when I am on a run the Rubicons are always the ones we are waiting for, and also the ones who decide not to take an obstacle because they "Don't want to mess up a $30,000 rig". The other problem I see with them, is most owners don't have a clue when to turn the locker on and when not to. "With great power, comes greater responsibility"

Now I know there are Rubi's here that are built, they are more than capable rigs, and yes I agree it's a good starting point. But I don't think you can take the same amount of pride in something you bought put together as you can in something you built, and I never will. I guess what I am saying is..... if I show up at the trailhead, and the jeeps are banged up and look like $500 I know the run is going to be good. If there are a bunch of shiny Uberrcons sitting there, I know it's going to be a long trail. Does this mean we can't get along and have a beer after the trail? Hell no!

[SavageSun4x4]

I think a major point everyone has missed here is Dues.

As with anything in life, people don't respect you give you the time of day in a sport/hobby unless they feel you've paid yor dues to be there.

The problem I see with Ubercon owners is, they buy it off the lot, and as mentioned above it's good to go. The owner hasn't had to wrench on it, or mod it, they just had the $$$ to purchase it, and now they think they are offroad enthusiasts.
Jim

Jim be careful with that one, there are lots of Rubi owners like myself, been there and done that! I was wheeling when off road tires were military or snow tires.

I've been at this sport off and off since '67, my first Jeep and I had already been driving for nearly 5 years.

[Quasimotor]

Jim be careful with that one, there are lots of Rubi owners like myself, been there and done that! I was wheeling when off road tires were military or snow tires.

I've been at this sport off and off since '67, my first Jeep and I had already been driving for nearly 5 years.

I didn't say all Rubi owners, use this as an example I come from a drag racing background, and it's the same there. You can buy a turn key race car, and run like hell, while trying to learn how to drive it. Nobody will respect you, until you've broken it, and had to fix it your self, or your just a naturally talented driver who does things with equipment others can't.

Now I didn't say a rubi in the capable hands of an experienced wheeler wasn't a deadly weapon. What I meant was, for instance. Every time I go to Chivo, I see a new rubicon there. And more than once I've seen them hung up on something they had no business being on. I'm polite, and I help any way I can, but rather than ask for a spot or a line they generally choose to do it their way because they have a rubicon. Then once their pride is damaged, they park and watch and generally don't try again.

I'm not saying anyone who buys a rubicon is arrogant, or ignorant, or even shouldn't be on the trail. I do however think the sticker gives them a false sense of what they are capable of. I don't think you can appreciate the capabilities of that rig as much, unless you've had a less capable rig, or built a rig and understand what the rubi package brings to the trail.

Most on this board are seasoned far beyond my capabilites, and I respect that. Now if this board was full of newbie Rubicon owners, posturing to one another or "bench racing" as we used to call it. Then I wouldn't be here.

[My1stJeep]

My guess is it was envy...LOL

Only reason I would give anyone any $HIT about a rubi is like a few that I have met think they are better than eveyone else cause theirs says Rubi on it. Now I have met both Gris and Don and niether fit that category, you have to treat it on a case by case. After building mine to where it is now I look back and would love to have started with a Rubi (if I could have afforded one).

I see alot of the teasing more in fun, kinda like why would you buy a Jeep with square headlights, the TJ vs YJ, CJ, XJ, vs.... it is Jeepers having fun with each other. Just cause you own a specific model you will always find someone somewhere that will think their model Jeep is better based on the model and not take into account the mods or driver.

I think the guy in Orlando was a door knob and was jealous of your rig, especially if he saw pictures of it.

[cactuscatcher]

I don't think people really dislike the rubicon itself but have some beef with people that buy them? What is that about?
I just got my arse chewed by some kid that wheels grassy fields in Orlando on JU because I own one.

I feel ya Brian, the internet forum pressure was just too much so I just had to cut my Rubi up and stretch it 15", widen 11", run 40s and wheel it harder than my "tube machine 00".

Actually does that mean I have to take the hood stickers off as there is nothing "Rubi" left except the leather wrapped Rubicon steering wheel :D

In truth it's just because the laser cut stickers look so nice.

[1BLKJP]

Jack you will be back on the trail (cybr trail) soon wont you :confused:

Yeah, DMan I will be back very soon. :D :eek: :D

[Devil Man]

Yeah, DMan I will be back very soon. :D :eek: :D
when i get mine up & running we will go out & try to keep up with all the h2's out there :rolleyes:

[1BLKJP]

when i get mine up & running we will go out & try to keep up with all the h2's out there :rolleyes:

What broke on yours at the cracks? And I just hope we can keep up with all those Rubicons. :D :D :D :D :D :D







Yes people I was just kidding. :D :D

[Sedona Jeep School]

I didn't say a rubi in the capable hands of an experienced wheeler wasn't a deadly weapon. What I meant was, for instance. Every time I go to Chivo, I see a new rubicon there. And more than once I've seen them hung up on something they had no business being on. I'm polite, and I help any way I can, but rather than ask for a spot or a line they generally choose to do it their way because they have a rubicon. Then once their pride is damaged, they park and watch and generally don't try again.
Most of us learned by some serious trial and error. My concern these days, is the damage that a rookie can cause to our access rights. When I see a shiny Jeep on the trail, I give them my business card. But, a card that says "Jeep School" may seem a little insulting, because I am sure it hurts the ego for one to suggest "professional help". So I wonder about club cards, because if I see them trying out the sport, I want to give them a way to plug into some "education" and clubs are a great way to do that.

I'm not saying anyone who buys a rubicon is arrogant, or ignorant, or even shouldn't be on the trail. I do however think the sticker gives them a false sense of what they are capable of. I don't think you can appreciate the capabilities of that rig as much, unless you've had a less capable rig, or built a rig and understand what the rubi package brings to the trail..
This reminds me of a recent H2 thread...:D If you think the term "Rubicon" gives them a false sense of security, try the term "rental"!!! :eek: :cool:

I have to admit, it is a human failing to make assumptions. Yesterday, I caught myself doing the worst thing (for me): A woman driving a nicely built TJ pulled in, and my first thought was "It must be her husband's Jeep." Bad, Nena, bad!

I still love you, Jim. Just don't glare at me if I show up in a new Rubicon. Many of us earned it.

[AZJeeps TJ&XJ]

I have to admit, it is a human failing to make assumptions. Yesterday, I caught myself doing the worst thing (for me): A woman driving a nicely built TJ pulled in, and my first thought was "It must be her husband's Jeep." Bad, Nena, bad!



I wouldn't want to tell that to my girlfriend's face, as I think she has more wheeling time in the TJ then I do. And it's not my baby, but ours. Then again she just wants to drive it, and I am the one that has to fix it. But thats what you get when she is the one that taught/showed me the differences in the models at first because I was a chevy guy, but I now can over power her knowledge as I am a very fast learner when it comes to automechanics and such...

[SavageSun4x4]

My guess is it was envy...LOL

Only reason I would give anyone any $HIT about a rubi is like a few that I have met think they are better than eveyone else cause theirs says Rubi on it. Now I have met both Gris and Don and niether fit that category, you have to treat it on a case by case. After building mine to where it is now I look back and would love to have started with a Rubi (if I could have afforded one).

I see alot of the teasing more in fun, kinda like why would you buy a Jeep with square headlights, the TJ vs YJ, CJ, XJ, vs.... it is Jeepers having fun with each other. Just cause you own a specific model you will always find someone somewhere that will think their model Jeep is better based on the model and not take into account the mods or driver.

I think the guy in Orlando was a door knob and was jealous of your rig, especially if he saw pictures of it.

Your right on with that one.

In a group like our not only is it healthy but it is to be expected that teasing and poking fun at, goes on, whether it be me with my Rubi or you with your 4 banger. It develops strong bonds and even stronger bonds when the group or an individual in the group gets attacked.

And speaking of envy, soon as I get off this 'puter me an my old Jeep, "Cowboy" are headin north to Moab...talk to you next week.

[Quasimotor]

I still love you, Jim. Just don't glare at me if I show up in a new Rubicon. Many of us earned it.
If I purchase a rubicon the first thing I'll do is pull the stickers off. Hell I'm the type of guy who'd put sport stickers on the thing.

I wouldn't glare at you Nena, heck I think we need more pretty ladies in Jeeps wither Ubercons or not, it's good for the sport... (now if we could just get them to wheel in bikini's) I digress.:D
Jim

[SavageSun4x4]

If I purchase a rubicon the first thing I'll do is pull the stickers off. Hell I'm the type of guy who'd put sport stickers on the thing.
Jim

Or you could do like me Jim and just rub off your sticker on the rocks:D

[Quasimotor]

Or you could do like me Jim and just rub off your sticker on the rocks:D
I couldn't tear up a $30,000 rig like that....:D

[richard]

My problem is when you go out with the people who don't
work on their junk don't no how to fix them when they
break them.

[FlexyXJ]

This is funny... One of my customers just bought a new, Patriot blue Rubicon. It just left my shop with 22 miles on it. He stopped here before he even went home to have me take the "rubicon" stickers off the hood. He has had 2 TJ's before this, and said that he didnt want to be looked at as a "Rubi Newbie". By the time this TJ has 250 miles it will have an RK 7" kit with 37's, gears, high strength shafts, Walker wheels and a bunch of other stuff. His main thing was the same as a few of the other people have mentioned...its a good STARTING platform. Not as much now, as about 2 years ago, most of the Rubicon owners thought that they had the world most capable jeep. period. ever. They have now, after stacking many rocks, getting stuck many times, have realized it not the vehicle. Its the driver.



Joe
Absolute Offroad

[Woody]

They have now, after stacking many rocks, getting stuck many times, have realized it not the vehicle. Its the driver.

Joe
Absolute Offroad

Exactly!

How do you think my junk gets through the trails it does??

Driver skill, totally :rolleyes:

Woody

[Hackle]

Exactly!

How do you think my junk gets through the trails it does??

Driver skill, totally :rolleyes:

Woody

That’s strange, I have wheeled with you and lot and while I explained your skills "as God takes care of those less fortunate" I never considered blind luck a skill???

:D :D :D
Jim F.

[RokNRich]

Does anyone else think that Jim (Quasi) is just pissed because he bought an LWB before it came out in Rubicon trim ? :p

[Blkruby]

Yea! I got a Ruby and I like to keep it looking good.And I got some battle scares.But I still run it hard.Getting body damage is not my idea of haveing fun.You can still run the hard stuff and come out of it looking good.After reading all this. I still say it's ENVEY.
I agree alot of people buy them and have no idea how and what they are capable of doing.The stockers aren't everything people think they are.But it's just like any jeep it takes time to lean how to use it.
Love them or hate them,they are here to stay.

[azrubyman]

Before I bought my Rubicon, I liked myself.
Now I hate me. I'm a bad Rubicon owner.
I joined the Army as a youngster so that I could see the world and defend my country.....yeah right. I joined so I could go to college or a trade school when I got out (which I did), busted my *** developing and maintaining a career, raised a family, put the kids through college and trade school and paid my taxes.
Finally reached a point in my life where I could catch my breath, pick up a new hobby and LEARN something new....and AFFORD IT!
So I thought, hey I've always wanted a jeep since the day in 1976 when I stole the Battalion Commanders 1/4 ton Jeep, while I was plastered and proceeded to roll it down a nice Kentucky hillside....but I digress.
and back to my point....Please don't preach to me that I haven't paid any dues and please don't lay this pride bs on me either. I've worked hard for what I have and I'm damn proud of it.
Am I jeep newbie...yep sure am. Do I think I know everything about jeeping...hell no, not even close. Do I like wheeling with folks that do. Damn right, because I like to learn and get better at it. And I have yet to meet a fellow jeeper that I dislike. Do I like wheeling with folks that are even greener than me. Sure do. Maybe I can pass some of the knowledge I have learned on to them and the cycle will continue.

My suggestion for folks that have more experience and know more about this sport than others is this:
Don't bad mouth and discourage new folks to the sport. In case you haven't noticed.....off road enthusiasts can't afford to turn down support.
Share your knowledge of off road driving skills
Share your knowledge of trail manners
Share your knowledge for maintaining a vehicle and mechanical skills.
If a less skilled or less knowledgeable driver is screwing up or doing something stupid.....don't wait for them to ask for help. They may be to embarrassed or not even know they are screwing up. Tell them....specifically tell ME if I'm messing up. I won't get all jacked up. I appreciate good advice and so do most others.
Who knows...you may even learn a thing or two in return, make some new friends and you will definitely help strengthen the ranks of jeepers and our position in things such as land use.
Help me like myself again.....:)
Ken

[papajeep]

Before I bought my Rubicon, I liked myself.
Now I hate me. I'm a bad Rubicon owner.
I joined the Army as a youngster so that I could see the world and defend my country.....yeah right. I joined so I could go to college or a trade school when I got out (which I did), busted my *** developing and maintaining a career, raised a family, put the kids through college and trade school and paid my taxes.
Finally reached a point in my life where I could catch my breath, pick up a new hobby and LEARN something new....and AFFORD IT!
So I thought, hey I've always wanted a jeep since the day in 1976 when I stole the Battalion Commanders 1/4 ton Jeep, while I was plastered and proceeded to roll it down a nice Kentucky hillside....but I digress.
and back to my point....Please don't preach to me that I haven't paid any dues and please don't lay this pride bs on me either. I've worked hard for what I have and I'm damn proud of it.
Am I jeep newbie...yep sure am. Do I think I know everything about jeeping...hell no, not even close. Do I like wheeling with folks that do. Damn right, because I like to learn and get better at it. And I have yet to meet a fellow jeeper that I dislike. Do I like wheeling with folks that are even greener than me. Sure do. Maybe I can pass some of the knowledge I have learned on to them and the cycle will continue.

My suggestion for folks that have more experience and know more about this sport than others is this:
Don't bad mouth and discourage new folks to the sport. In case you haven't noticed.....off road enthusiasts can't afford to turn down support.
Share your knowledge of off road driving skills
Share your knowledge of trail manners
Share your knowledge for maintaining a vehicle and mechanical skills.
If a less skilled or less knowledgeable driver is screwing up or doing something stupid.....don't wait for them to ask for help. They may be to embarrassed or not even know they are screwing up. Tell them....specifically tell ME if I'm messing up. I won't get all jacked up. I appreciate good advice and so do most others.
Who knows...you may even learn a thing or two in return, make some new friends and you will definitely help strengthen the ranks of jeepers and our position in things such as land use.
Help me like myself again.....:)
Ken
This my friends is what we are all about.
been jeepin the FJ since 79 and still a newbe.
learn something every time!

[Griswold]

Thank you for sharing Ken. My name is Brian and I own a Rubicon too.:D

I had no idea this thread would go this far. Kind of strange, this cyber world we all live in now. A combination of the bravery of being out of range and no accountability that alows us to spew our perceptions out, whether they are real or for effect.
The internet is a great thing but it also allows malcontents from every arena to quickly find the "collective" and belong. In our anonymous world we no longer do we need to spend the time to judge a person by character or actions. Now we can just join the "collective" and assume that what "they" said is true.
If I have not looked a person in the eye and had a conversation with them, I cannot judge who they are or what they are all about. Key strokes do not count.

"CAN SOMEBODY HELP ME OFF MY HIGH HORSE NOW?"

[jason]

if i had 30 g's to throw at a rig, it wouldnt be riding on 31's.:rolleyes:
ill take my lil pos fully locked, 3:07 gears, 5spd tj on 35's against any rubicon out there.
oh yeah, to date i have less then 15 g's total invested in my pos.

i might not make all the trails as those of you with la kits and 37's and such, but ill give you a run for your money:D

no hard feelings, just thought id give you all a lil ribbing:D

[azrubyman]

[QUOTE=Griswold]Thank you for sharing Ken. My name is Brian and I own a Rubicon too.:D
QUOTE]

LOL Brian!

p.s. Maybe Oprah can do a show for emotionally hurt Rubicon Owners.....
Dr Phil: " "Ken, How does that you make you feel when other jeep owners pick on you?"
Ken: "It makes me sad and angry. Sometimes I take it out on my differentials and I scratch rocks."
Dr. Phil: "I see. Have you considered buyng a hummer.....??????"
Ken: ":eek: "
Ken

[joedokes28]

If I purchase a rubicon the first thing I'll do is pull the stickers off


That's what I did and Rich had the nerve to suggest that I was a poser :D

This is my first jeep, I've spent a lot of time learning about it and learning to drive it. I've followed bigger rigs in places where I shouldn't of been and I pulled through OK. Learning is about making mistakes and most of the guy's I've met here, Ken, Dr. Rock, Rich, Ben etc.. have been really helpful, and welcoming to my newbieness, but maybe that's just because they're RUBICON owners.

[Quasimotor]

[QUOTE=Griswold]Thank you for sharing Ken. My name is Brian and I own a Rubicon too.:D
QUOTE]

LOL Brian!

p.s. Maybe Oprah can do a show for emotionally hurt Rubicon Owners.....
Dr Phil: " "Ken, How does that you make you feel when other jeep owners pick on you?"
Ken: "It makes me sad and angry. Sometimes I take it out on my differentials and I scratch rocks."
Dr. Phil: "I see. Have you considered buyng a hummer.....??????"
Ken: ":eek: "
Ken

ROFLMAO!
Rubicon Anonymous
"Hi my name is (insert name here) and I own a Rubicon...." "Hello (insert name here as the crowd welcomes you)!
The other boys, well they pick on me, and I am forced to defend my choice of offroad vehicle." J/K

Honestly I don't hate rubi owners, like I said I wheel with two of them regularly. I think there is a stereotype that goes with the model, and until that is overcome, people will still give rubi owners a hard time.

I don't have rubi envy nor do I have mommy issues....:D
Jim
This is a fun thread though, lets get it all out so the "Healing can begin".

[Quasimotor]

Once we have this Rubicon issue all squared away we can tackle more important issues, like those XJ people!:eek: :eek:
I'm kidding, Jokeing, in no way being serious, put the flame thrower down and back away please..... I like the station wagons.

[ThumpAZ]

I don't hate Rubi's, but there are some owners that have no clue what they're doing and getting into situations that they are not prepared for... both mechanically and skill-wise. However, this applies to anyone, no discernment for vehicle driven.

Am I jealous of Rubi's and their owners? Nope. I feel for them...they're wheelin' payments and that takes cajones.

Oh yeah... F JU in my book anymore. Used to like it, and the CJ forum still isn't too bad, but they've gone so far south since Chris sold it that I don't even have them in my favorites anymore.
Jeepaholics, too, has it's share of bungs as well, but mostly a friendly crowd.
Pirate... well, my member number is in the 700's so I have seen it all and am in the "folks don't give me a lot of grief" category at this point.

[T.C.'S TOY]

I DON'T HATE RUBICON'S OR DISLIKE THE DRIVERS,IT'S KIND OF UNDER ALL OUR SKIN WE ARE ALL IN IT TO HAVE FUN ALTHOUGH I HAVE SEEN ALOT OF RUBI OWNERS UP HERE IN PAYSON KIND OF TREAT THERE RIGS AS GROCERY GETTERS KIND OF LIKE ALL THE H2'S IN SCOTTDALE.BLKRUBY IS A GOOD FRIEND AND ONE OF THE ONLY ONES I HAVE SEEN PUT HIS TO THE TEST AND YOU KNOW I REALLY AM IMPRESSED WHAT THEY WILL DO OUT OF THE BOX BUT I HAVE ALSO SEEN WHAT BUILT RIGS CAN DO AND AM KIND OF SLIGHTLY IN THAT CATAGORY AND MOVING FORWARD BUT JUST THE SAME I LIKE BEING OUT THERE WITH ALL OF YOU.......SO GET OVER IT..........(T.C.'S TOY):rolleyes:

[Crawldit]

I plan on thoroughly beating the snot out of my rig once the lift and tires go on, until then it will stay pretty clean. Rubicons are very well built stock, but I'm pretty sure that 31's and the shovel that they call a TCase Skid will get me in all sorts of problems on the rocks out here. It will be wheeled stock just to see what it can do, but I seriosly doubt I'll push it through any trails higher that a 3-3.5. This is to keep the bottom from looking like a $30k piece of swiss cheese and also to keep from pissing off more capable rigs than mine. Rubicons are the best Jeep that can be BOUGHT, they most definitely still have plenty of room to be BUILT though. All this webwheeling is getting boring...lets go hit the dirt!!!

[jim0352]

I tried to hide it for years, first with a CJ-7 then with a TJ Sport. But I never felt right, I always felt like I was living someone elses life. When I started looking at Rubicons in magazines I told myself, "I'm just exploring, this doesn't mean anything." Then I went for a test drive. The 31" MTRS felt so good underneath me purring along with the 4.10 gears. My shame was quickly replaced with pride. I accepted that I always was a Rubicon man and was finally able to admit it. When I brought the Rubi home, sure it was awkward at first. My dad telling me I was no son of his, my mom quietly drinking vodka, muttering that this was her fault, she shouldn't have driven me around in the Grand Cherokee so much. It was tense for a while, but they eventually came around. My dad finally came out to see the Rubi, I remember him asking, "Well couldn't you at least pull off the stickers so the neighbors don't see?" No, I couldn't remove the stickers, because underneath that 4:1 t-case would still be turning. I am not ashamed. Then he got worried that I'd start hanging out with other Rubicons, using my factory lockers with reckless abandon. "No worries dad" I said, I still like the CJ's and the Sports. I think that caused him more worry, I was swinging with both crowds. Last weekend I hit the trail with 7 other Rubi's , it was almost like a parade, a Rubicon pride parade. Sure, people still laugh and point their fingers at me, but it's cool. I am who I am, a Rubicon owner.


I hope everyone realizes the above was meant to lighten the mood. And for the record, I'm happily married. To a girl. Just so we're clear. I've had a blast since i joined the club a few months ago. Since I've had my Rubicon I've wheeled every weekend. I've learned a lot and more importantly I've met a lot of cool people. I think AZRUBYMAN hit the nail on the head. I've been busting my backside for a long time now and am finally in a position to afford the type of Jeep I've always wanted. This is my third Jeep but, I'm mechanically inept, so building up a Jeep doesn't have a lot of appeal to me. So far all the mods to my Jeep have been done by me. I will continue to be out there every weekend, learning from the vets. If I do something stupid, please tell me. I won't learn if no one says, " hey dumb***, theres a better way." Personally, I've always felt whether bought or built, a real Jeep is wheeled.

In conclusion, stay in school, stay off drugs, and don't take life to seriously. I hope to see you on the trails. :D

Jim

[mingoglia]

I tried to hide it for years, first with a CJ-7 then with a TJ Sport. But I never felt right, I always felt like I was living someone elses life. When I started looking at Rubicons in magazines I told myself, "I'm just exploring, this doesn't mean anything." Then I went for a test drive. The 31" MTRS felt so good underneath me purring along with the 4.10 gears. My shame was quickly replaced with pride. I accepted that I always was a Rubicon man and was finally able to admit it. When I brought the Rubi home, sure it was awkward at first. My dad telling me I was no son of his, my mom quietly drinking vodka, muttering that this was her fault, she shouldn't have driven me around in the Grand Cherokee so much. It was tense for a while, but they eventually came around. My dad finally came out to see the Rubi, I remember him asking, "Well couldn't you at least pull off the stickers so the neighbors don't see?" No, I couldn't remove the stickers, because underneath that 4:1 t-case would still be turning. I am not ashamed. Then he got worried that I'd start hanging out with other Rubicons, using my factory lockers with reckless abandon. "No worries dad" I said, I still like the CJ's and the Sports. I think that caused him more worry, I was swinging with both crowds. Last weekend I hit the trail with 7 other Rubi's , it was almost like a parade, a Rubicon pride parade. Sure, people still laugh and point their fingers at me, but it's cool. I am who I am, a Rubicon owner.

OK, I have to admit this was one of the funniest things I've read. :D

[Hackle]

I agree very funny post and I hope this gets us back to fact that we all drive jeeps, and we do need everyone we can get to support our sport or it will be gone.
Jim F.

[jason]

. . . I am who I am, a Rubicon owner.


i agree, thats some funny chit! :D
lmao

its not the rig your in, its the driver. its the same as those who spend tons on a turnkey psc or avalanche rig. i know alot of the guys who pioneered most of the very trails we romp on today didnt have the luxuries of electric lockers, 4:1 t-cases and such. but follow them around and you might learn a thing or two.

just my two cents

[My1stJeep]

ROFLMAO :D

That was a great post!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry for all the Rubi owners there is a program...

First part is to admit it which several have...

Second step is to wheel it...

After that just enjoy the heck out of it and forget the rest of the steps...

[Sautin]

Quote:
I tried to hide it for years, first with a CJ-7 then with a TJ Sport. But I never felt right, I always felt like I was living someone elses life. When I started looking at Rubicons in magazines I told myself, "I'm just exploring, this doesn't mean anything." Then I went for a test drive. The 31" MTRS felt so good underneath me purring along with the 4.10 gears. My shame was quickly replaced with pride. I accepted that I always was a Rubicon man and was finally able to admit it. When I brought the Rubi home, sure it was awkward at first. My dad telling me I was no son of his, my mom quietly drinking vodka, muttering that this was her fault, she shouldn't have driven me around in the Grand Cherokee so much. It was tense for a while, but they eventually came around. My dad finally came out to see the Rubi, I remember him asking, "Well couldn't you at least pull off the stickers so the neighbors don't see?" No, I couldn't remove the stickers, because underneath that 4:1 t-case would still be turning. I am not ashamed. Then he got worried that I'd start hanging out with other Rubicons, using my factory lockers with reckless abandon. "No worries dad" I said, I still like the CJ's and the Sports. I think that caused him more worry, I was swinging with both crowds. Last weekend I hit the trail with 7 other Rubi's , it was almost like a parade, a Rubicon pride parade. Sure, people still laugh and point their fingers at me, but it's cool. I am who I am, a Rubicon owner.
:D
That is too damn funny man.:)

I agree, I have seen some people with nicely built rigs make the rig look like a piece of chit, because they didn't know what the hell they were doing. Personally, I had a hell of alot of fun before I put a locker in the jeep. Not that I am complaining now.

[Crawldit]

OK OK, I admit it. I own a Rubicon and I hate myself for it. Can we go wheeling now ;)

[Scrat]

But another reason why some people buy it, (my friend included) it is easier to get financed for a rig like that than it is to get financed to buy the parts to make the rig. But each to his own, I don't hate Rubi owners that actually wheel it and wheel it good. I just get annoyed with Soccer moms and Yuppies who buy it as a status symbol and try to think they can run with the big dogs, with no 'wheelin experience what-so-ever and wind up getting themselves and other people in a bad situation. Here is my 2 main reasons why I did not go with a '05 Rubi unlimited:
Well, I had an option to buy a '05 Rubicon Unlimited outright after my wreck. And I didn't. Why? 35k for a new rig, plus another 10k in upgrades, hmmmm for 45k I could build the most badass rig out there. Granted the warranty is nice, factory covered lockers and such, but after seeing the probs my friend has with his '03 Rubi I am glad I didn't buy one. Broke his front axle and u-joint, blew 4 out of 6 injectors, crank sensor went out, new short block, new crank. That thing has been at the dealer for 6 months out of the first year and half he owned it (Bought in Jan '04). I do not see why spending all that money on a Rubi and I still have an option to buy one, but I like my CJ7 I am building more, factory warranty or not. I just spent that 45k on a big burly '05 Dodge QC Diesel to tow my cheap (under 10k complete) rig around instead of having to drive my rig out to the trails.

Cheers,
Lee

[Quasimotor]

I have a solution!

Everyone who purchases a Rubicon, should take a trail saftey and awareness course (sedonacowgirl could spearhead such a movement :D ). That way, we know both the vehicle and the driver are trail rated. Much like a MSF course you take to get your motorcycle license. The rubicon owners could bost about having the most trail worthy factory vehicle, and bost about knowing how to use it.

Jim

[danno]

The way I see it...

Its the lockers that get people in trouble. When I first drove with lockers in a vehicle on the trail 10 or so years ago, I quickly learned that a person can get themselves in much more trouble than if they have limited slip or open diffs.

Places that normally gave me a challenge were now a walk in the park... But since I had the capabilites to wheel in much more challenging terrain, that also came with putting the vehicle in much more precarious and dangerous positions.

Most of the folks that I have seen getting themselves into trouble and risking the lives of themselves and others in Rubicons get into the situations because they did't realize how lockers affect the stability of their vehicles when they are turned on.

I think that it would be wise for any Rubicon owner to do some offroading for a little while before using the lockers until they get comfortable with their vehicles on the trail.

I admit there have been times when I have shyed away from wheeling with a group of people that have new Rubicons and very little, if any experience on the trail. It tends to be those people that really get themselves into trouble especially on obstacles that require steep climbs or descents. Its not that I have anything against these people or their vehicles at all... Its that the lockers can let them get into dangerous situations where previously novice wheelers would not really be able to get themselves into because they usually did not get lockers until they 1.) Had a bit of experience wheeling and realized that they could use them and 2.) Understood what a locker actually does as opposed to just being a button on the console that somehow gives them more traction.

Bottom line, I don't "hate" anyone. But I do shy away from wheeling with new Rubicon owners that have never really been on the trail because I have seen many that do not realize that there is a technique involved rather than just point and floor it. In addition, if I get a chance to meet the person, and talk with them to give them an understanding that their new vehicle can perform beyond their skills initially until they learn the techniques which I am happy to teach them and share with them, then I have no problem at all. As long as they take my advice when I recommend that they steer clear of some obstacles because even thought their vehicle can probably make it, maybe based on what I have seen of their skills, the may not be ready yet.

I just figured I would add a comment from my perspective. I welcome the opportunity to pass some of the skills I have learned over the years to anyone who is willing to have an open mind and listen after all I was once a novice as well.

[twstdtj]

This thread has kept me entertained everyday since it was posted. :D I drive a Sport with a few additions. I think that everyone that can truly wheel a Rubicon should replace there sticker with one that is "Rubican":D

Ya, Ya, that'll do it and end the abuse to the masses of the Rubi owners that can truly wheel their rig.:D :D :D

BTW I am thinking of holding a trail repair 101 workshop for those who might be interested. Will cover tools for the trail, axle/ujoint replacement, reseating beads, steering fixes, drive line repairs, the many uses of a high lift handle etc, etc. What do ya think

[Sedona Jeep School]

Well that would be very greedy and self-serving of me...I like it!! :D

We have joked about the obvious need for a "Rubicon" endorsement on drivers' licenses, especially after seeing the mall-crawling segment of the Rubicon population.

Actually, I had approached some dealerships to offer courses to new Jeep owners, with the tack that people who learn how to use their Jeep would be more likely to buy another one in the future, AND I pointed out that Land Rover provides FREE lessons to their customers. None of the dealerships I talked to would even give me the time of day, reinforcing the perceived "disconnect" between DC, dealerships, and actual Jeepers.

DC makes ads showing Jeeps romping across rough terrain, parked off trail, and other irresponsible images. Granted, there must be actual Jeepers in the engineering department to have produced the Rubicon, but they obviously don't have input in the marketing department.

And dealerships just want to sell the highest dollar vehicle, hence the segment of Rubicon mall crawlers.

I wish we could get some Jeep dealers to see the long-term benefit of education. Since they seem to shy away from referrals to commercial outfits, at the very least, they should offer new Jeep owners a list of clubs, associations, or SOMEWHERE they can get some education and have fun with their Jeep!

[Sedona Jeep School]

BTW I am thinking of holding a trail repair 101 workshop for those who might be interested. Will cover tools for the trail, axle/ujoint replacement, reseating beads, steering fixes, drive line repairs, the many uses of a high lift handle etc, etc. What do ya think
When? Where? I know a number of people who would be interested. And I can always learn stuff, myself. Maybe we can cross-promote with the Jeep 101?

[AzTrailrunner]

This thread has kept me entertained everyday since it was posted. :D I drive a Sport with a few additions. I think that everyone that can truly wheel a Rubicon should replace there sticker with one that is "Rubican":D

Ya, Ya, that'll do it and end the abuse to the masses of the Rubi owners that can truly wheel their rig.:D :D :D

BTW I am thinking of holding a trail repair 101 workshop for those who might be interested. Will cover tools for the trail, axle/ujoint replacement, reseating beads, steering fixes, drive line repairs, the many uses of a high lift handle etc, etc. What do ya think
Great idea! Count me in

[danno]

This thread has kept me entertained everyday since it was posted. :D I drive a Sport with a few additions. I think that everyone that can truly wheel a Rubicon should replace there sticker with one that is "Rubican":D

Ya, Ya, that'll do it and end the abuse to the masses of the Rubi owners that can truly wheel their rig.:D :D :D

BTW I am thinking of holding a trail repair 101 workshop for those who might be interested. Will cover tools for the trail, axle/ujoint replacement, reseating beads, steering fixes, drive line repairs, the many uses of a high lift handle etc, etc. What do ya think

Jeff,

Perhaps I should take this workshop as well... eh? Especially after last Sunday.

Let me know if you need anyone to help you organize... This is an excellent idea!

[twstdtj]

Im going to start a seperate thread for the trail repair 101 workshop to guage interest. I could definately use the help too Danno. BTW you were very well prepared. Thanks

[Quasimotor]

What are the pre-requisites for Locker 101 or High Lift handle as a tie-rod 101? Will there be a test? Can I join the frat if so and come in my toga?:D
Sometimes... very few and far between but sometimes, I wish I was in the pheonix area so I could join these get togethers!
Jim

[twstdtj]

What are the pre-requisites for Locker 101 or High Lift handle as a tie-rod 101? Will there be a test? Can I join the frat if so and come in my toga?:D
Sometimes... very few and far between but sometimes, I wish I was in the pheonix area so I could join these get togethers!
Jim

Jim, we are also thinking of doing Flop and recovery 101 and we will need a few volunteers. maybe we can get Devil Man for an instructor:D

[Quasimotor]

Jim, we are also thinking of doing Flop and recovery 101 and we will need a few volunteers. maybe we can get Devil Man for an instructor:D
Tremendous Idea! And to think he has a cooler permanently attached to his rig, but, can he get a keg in it?:D Along with flop recovery DM should host Ice Cold beverage and ice recovery 101.

Jim

[Devil Man]

Jim, we are also thinking of doing Flop and recovery 101 and we will need a few volunteers. maybe we can get Devil Man for an instructor:D
IF IT IS ON THE EAST SIDE I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHOW HOW A CAGE MADE BY HUNTER OFFROAD CAN SAVE YOUR COOLER & THE ICE :D

[twstdtj]

IF IT IS ON THE EAST SIDE I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHOW HOW A CAGE MADE BY HUNTER OFFROAD CAN SAVE YOUR COOLER & THE ICE :D

Will also need the specs for the cooler:D :D :D

[Devil Man]

Will also need the specs for the cooler:D :D :D
I PUT LOCKS ON IT WITH THE LATCHES I GOT AT ACE :cool:

[twstdtj]

I PUT LOCKS ON IT WITH THE LATCHES I GOT AT ACE :cool:


new course to be added "Frosty Beverage Storage and Transportation 101"

[Quasimotor]

Will we have to say the pledge before class? :D :D
Damn I can't believe I missed this gem! Can we take the Newbicons out with I0000I and make him say the pledge before we pull him out?:D

[Sautin]

Damn I can't believe I missed this gem! Can we take the Newbicons out with I0000I and make him say the pledge before we pull him out?:D
"Now That's Funny"

[Quasimotor]

Uhmmm I have a Rubicon, so technically I am a newbicon! :DExactly! And we want to take you 4 wheeling :eek:

[joedokes28]

Uhmmm I have a Rubicon, so technically I am a newbicon! :D

Exactly! And we want to take you 4 wheeling :eek:


Me too.... so when do we go?

[Scrat]

Well that would be very greedy and self-serving of me...I like it!! :D

We have joked about the obvious need for a "Rubicon" endorsement on drivers' licenses, especially after seeing the mall-crawling segment of the Rubicon population.

Actually, I had approached some dealerships to offer courses to new Jeep owners, with the tack that people who learn how to use their Jeep would be more likely to buy another one in the future, AND I pointed out that Land Rover provides FREE lessons to their customers. None of the dealerships I talked to would even give me the time of day, reinforcing the perceived "disconnect" between DC, dealerships, and actual Jeepers.

DC makes ads showing Jeeps romping across rough terrain, parked off trail, and other irresponsible images. Granted, there must be actual Jeepers in the engineering department to have produced the Rubicon, but they obviously don't have input in the marketing department.

And dealerships just want to sell the highest dollar vehicle, hence the segment of Rubicon mall crawlers.

I wish we could get some Jeep dealers to see the long-term benefit of education. Since they seem to shy away from referrals to commercial outfits, at the very least, they should offer new Jeep owners a list of clubs, associations, or SOMEWHERE they can get some education and have fun with their Jeep!


Have you talked with Avondale? I know a few people in the Dodge dept. Most of the guys in the Jeep part are total dumba** I can try and talk to the people I know over there. Might get something for the truck and SUVs going, but also include Jeeps.

Cheers,
Scrat

[RokNRich]

Exactly! And we want to take you 4 wheeling :eek:

Let's make this happen, Mr. Quasi Man. Are you ready to ROCK ?

Post a trip, show us your "skills".

[Devil Man]

Let's make this happen, Mr. Quasi Man. Are you ready to ROCK ?

Post a trip, show us your "skills".
CAN WE ALL DO Skullcrusher :rolleyes:

[Quasimotor]

Let's make this happen, Mr. Quasi Man. Are you ready to ROCK ?

Post a trip, show us your "skills".
I'm right in the middle of upgrading to 37's and 8" lift but.... as soon as I get my rig back together I will be happy to host a Newbicon run. Maybe Gris and a few of the other modded (and experienced) rubicon owners would come as well.

I have to ask, is that your rig on a trailer?
Jim

[SavageSun4x4]

I'm right in the middle of upgrading to 37's and 8" lift but.... as soon as I get my rig back together I will be happy to host a Newbicon run. Maybe Gris and a few of the other modded (and experienced) rubicon owners would come as well.

I have to ask, is that your rig on a trailer?
Jim

8" lift, good Gawd man, you getting nose bleed just setting in that thing. Bet you don't wheel without a parachute:D

[LOST TJ]

After reading all this, it seems that it is the person not the Jeep. Bad attitudes come with the person not the Jeep. You can see this in all aspects of life. No? The guy that buys a billion dollar boat with all the bells and whistles but gets lucky if he can catch himself. The guy who thinks he is Mr. GQ but can't get hooked up with a woman. The one that buys the top of the line gun but can't hit a barn(muchless the side of one) and so on and so forth and whatever. You get the idea. Anybody that is serious about what they are doing will take the time to learn. To me it is all about FUN, period. Not a contest, i'm not out to be superman nor does it make a difference what you drive. I'm out with a group to have fun,both with the group and myself. If i need help they are there, if they need help i am there and will help to the end. Isn't that why we wheel as a group or a club? For those that dislike the Rubicon or generalize thier drivers. it is a TJ that comes with a 4:1 transfercase, Lockers and a few other things. BFD Get over it and go wheeling. For the Rubicon owners that have a attitude just beacause you drive a Rubicon, it is a TJ that comes with a 4:1 transfercase, Lockers n a few other things. BFD Get over it and go wheeling.
Have fun. :D JMHO

[twstdtj]

After reading all this, it seems that it is the person not the Jeep. Bad attitudes come with the person not the Jeep. You can see this in all aspects of life. No? The guy that buys a billion dollar boat with all the bells and whistles but gets lucky if he can catch himself. The guy who thinks he is Mr. GQ but can't get hooked up with a woman. The one that buys the top of the line gun but can't hit a barn(muchless the side of one) and so on and so forth and whatever. You get the idea. Anybody that is serious about what they are doing will take the time to learn. To me it is all about FUN, period. Not a contest, i'm not out to be superman nor does it make a difference what you drive. I'm out with a group to have fun,both with the group and myself. If i need help they are there, if they need help i am there and will help to the end. Isn't that why we wheel as a group or a club? For those that dislike the Rubicon or generalize thier drivers. it is a TJ that comes with a 4:1 transfercase, Lockers and a few other things. BFD Get over it and go wheeling. For the Rubicon owners that have a attitude just beacause you drive a Rubicon, it is a TJ that comes with a 4:1 transfercase, Lockers n a few other things. BFD Get over it and go wheeling.
Have fun. :D JMHO


BFD BFD BFD BFD BFD :D :D :D Cant we all just get along!!!!!:D

[Griswold]

Rubicon owners are BOOBS, now let this thread die.

[jeepnut7261]

Rubicon owners are BOOBS, now let this thread die.
BOOBS?:confused:
Did the subject change????

Iwas just lurking, but if we are going to talk about an interesting subject..........

oh, sorry, must have fallen asleep somewhere along the line....too many people just repeating the same thing (Rubi good Rubi bad)

Jeeping is an atitude, a way of life.
I don't care what they ride in, as long as they wheel.......those with experiance and skill are fun to watch, those that are(PC warning for any Conservatives out there) "4 wheel challenged" fall into the category of it's all fun till someone gets hurt, then it's hilarious!!!

I think I offended everyone equally.
(whoops, almost forgot any lurking Liberals, so how about Hillary in 2008? She could use Kerry as a VP:D :D )

[Headspace]

Can anyone tell me how to get dirt off the sidewalls? It's making a mess on the coating in the garage. I backed it into a planter at the mall and got mud or something equally vile on the tires and I simply can't have any of this! And even worse a pebble or some other dirty little item seems to have gotten caught up in the tread of my MTR and I'm worried sick it may get flung into the eye of a pedestrian on Lincoln Drive! Perhaps I should return it to the dealer?

Oh yellow Rubi how you have let me down!

[twstdtj]

Put down your keys and step away from the jeep. :D :rolleyes: :D

[SavageSun4x4]

Can anyone tell me how to get dirt off the sidewalls? It's making a mess on the coating in the garage. I backed it into a planter at the mall and got mud or something equally vile on the tires and I simply can't have any of this! And even worse a pebble or some other dirty little item seems to have gotten caught up in the tread of my MTR and I'm worried sick it may get flung into the eye of a pedestrian on Lincoln Drive! Perhaps I should return it to the dealer?

Oh yellow Rubi how you have let me down!
Yea, stop by Sammy's We Wash'um and Stomach Pump Room and pick yourself up a book of Wash ' Wipe car washes. $99.95 for a 100 washes, that is a whopping discount of 5 cents. And that rock in your MTR, better check to see if your covered by your insurance on that. As I remember Malls and Sonic drive in's are excluded.:D

[Quasimotor]

Rubicon owners are BOOBS, now let this thread die.I couldn't agree more....:D

[Sautin]

This thread should have ended with jim0352's post.

[SavageSun4x4]

This thread should have ended with jim0352's post.
No I disagree, don't think it should have ever started...

[LOST TJ]

No I disagree, don't think it should have ever started...
X2. I guess it lets us know where certain people stand on the subject though. :rolleyes:

[Quasimotor]

Did someone just "chirp" into H-gear? :rolleyes:


Haters.
I think you missed the point, Gris has an Ubercon....... He might, just might have been poking fun.
Jim

[flxy_tj]

I think the reason some people hate rubicon owners is because they are so ate up with what people think of them and there jeep they have to try and find out why people don't like them......
In my option if I wanted a D44 I would put one in my jeep and it would have hubs and NO d30 outers.
30,000 dollars for something I'm gonna tear up is alot.
Now I have meet some rubi owners who have suprised me, but most just have it to go cruise the mall. It will never see offroad.
Rubi owners are kind in the same group as RUBS ( Rich Urban Bikers).
No let this thing die, People can hate me I don't care, Just get out go wheelin and have fun.

[spoonman98]

if you buy a axle and install it yourself or buy a jeep rubicon with axles in it what is the diffrence ..?? you technicaly still bought your jeep... but when you are drinking a beer next to a guy on the trail dose the guy in a rubicon make you feel less of a man?? comeon guys...:)

[jpotts]

if you buy a axle and install it yourself or buy a jeep rubicon with axles in it what is the diffrence ..?? you technicaly still bought your jeep... but when you are drinking a beer next to a guy on the trail dose the guy in a rubicon make you feel less of a man?? comeon guys...:)

This is a thread from 2 and half years ago. It is possible that their sentiments have changed in that time.

[jperez]

FOR PETES SAKE..... ITS A JEEP...... not like were talking about politics in the middle east and abroad!

[Billy 4 hp]

Gotta love the just joined folks....

Welcome to the club....

:D

[jperez]

:fashizzle:...... oh wait.... thats me! LOL

[SavageSun4x4]

A lot of folks say that is not a real Jeep etc etc until you build it. Or the decals that say built not bought.

To that I say, kick back grab a cold one or a cup of Joe and spend sometime checking out the many pages of built rigs (caution, do NOT drink and read at the same time): http://128.83.80.200/taco/scarysteering.html

[terron gregg]

they smell funny

[Antman]

if you buy a axle and install it yourself or buy a jeep rubicon with axles in it what is the diffrence ..?? you technicaly still bought your jeep... but when you are drinking a beer next to a guy on the trail dose the guy in a rubicon make you feel less of a man?? comeon guys...:)

First post......My God man, do you know how old this post is? Why didn't you
just start a new one?:)

Some of those people have gone away or are dead for all we know.:aagh:

Welcome to the group!:sifone:

[spoonman98]

I am a newbie.. just lookin around and saw this thread and thought it was interesting..

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I am a newbie.. just lookin around and saw this thread and thought it was interesting..

Welcome!!!!

Rubicons are great, I could never bring myself to spend the extra $6K or $120 a month to own one!! I figure mine is close enough!

Jason

[SavageSun4x4]

I am a newbie.. just lookin around and saw this thread and thought it was interesting..
Welcome aboard to the club and never worry about posting to an old thread, you got something to add, then post up and join in...:)

[chopped7]

Welcome!!!!

Rubicons are great, I could never bring myself to spend the extra $6K or $120 a month to own one!! I figure mine is close enough!

Jason

ummmm. no. not close at all. You don't have the stickers. That's the most important part. I can't believe I'm jumping in to a 2 yr old thread but I'm really bored today.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

ummmm. no. not close at all. You don't have the stickers. That's the most important part. I can't believe I'm jumping in to a 2 yr old thread but I'm really bored today.

I have wanna be stickers...Does that count?

Jason

[Billy 4 hp]

Welcome!!!!

Rubicons are great, I could never bring myself to spend the extra $6K or $120 a month to own one!! I figure mine is close enough!

Jason

What you do Jason is wait a little bit, don't buy a new Rubicon and perpetuate debt and buy a used one...

If your lucky and time it right, you can buy a used Rubicon with tons of mods and low miles for what you'd buy a used stock Jeep from a dealership for...

I know one or two people who have done it just recently....

:D

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

What you do Jason is wait a little bit, don't buy a new Rubicon and perpetuate debt and buy a used one...

If your lucky and time it right, you can buy a used Rubicon with tons of mods and low miles for what you'd buy a used stock Jeep from a dealership for...

I know one or two people who have done it just recently....

:D

LOL......

I have a hard time buying a USED Jeep...I know where mine has been...Do you?

Jason

[1BLKJP]

Now we just all hate JK Rubicon owners because they have Nav and built in Sirius. :D :D :D

[Billy 4 hp]

LOL......

I have a hard time buying a USED Jeep...I know where mine has been...Do you?

Jason

Nowhere close to Airpark, I can assure you of that... And as long as I own it, it never will be...

So since were bringing back the dead:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=20087&highlight=denied+warranty
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=14151&highlight=airpark+denied+warranty

Yes I do know where it's been, paid for the Carfax report and I checked it out MYSELF before I purchased it...

After I bought it, I changed the oil, did a leak down test on the engine, lubed it, pulled all the armor off of it, reinstalled the armor with new hardware, undercoated it, rotated the tires, checked the brakes, changed the rest of the fluids, fixed an airline to the rear locker, installed the winch, zip tied some loose stuff, rerouted the e-brake cables, retorque all the suspension as there were quite a few things loose, installed the CO2 tank, fire extinguisher, First Aid kit and I did a few other things I can't remember....

This little bit of effort netted me a 2003 Rubicon with 30k miles, equipped for my needs for the paltry sum of $15,000.00.... I think I'll stick with the used Jeeps....

You might want to check this thread though:
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=26307

I'll just leave it at that, I am in a bad mood and your inline to get a load of it....

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Nowhere close to Airpark I can assure you of that...

...

Mine has been in 4' deep water, dragged accross rocks,leaning on its tub in mud springs etc.....

I like to know I did that and how I fixed/repaired and not covered up.

There are nice jeeps out there that never have seen a good trail, with a bit of elbo grease I could make mine look like its never seen a dirt rd.

Jason

[lancetkenyon]

Back to the original topic(see title)..........because we DON'T have one. Of course, if I did, it would be beat to hell too.

[Sedona Jeep School]

LOL......

I have a hard time buying a USED Jeep...I know where mine has been...Do you?

Jason
That's why all my Jeeps have hooker names. ;)

[lancetkenyon]

That's why all my Jeeps have sexy stripper names. ;)

Bambi, Barbi, Trixi, Honey, Candi, Nena, Debbi..............hmmmmm.....they all end in vowells........:angel: