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Sedona Jeep School
09-08-2005, 09:36 AM
I attended a forum on the amendment (or, rather, the amendment of the amendment) of the Coconino National Forest Plan, which was last updated in 1987. This is essentially the "constitution" by which the National Forest is managed.

There were only 7 attendees, representing everyone from commercial cowboys to civic representatives to the "let's charge people to breathe air" types.

Two-hours of exuberant (and friendly) discussion boiled down to these three main topics:

1. Communication. Although communication with and among the various users of the forest has improved, it still is pathetically ineffective, and needs to be the most important step, and is also the easiest one to remedy.

2. Education. Most people want to do the right thing. Most people want to maintain the forest for all to enjoy. Many people just don't know what it takes to do that. And, often, they don't even know what they don't know. (See item #1) One person half-jokingly suggested that (no kidding, Devilman) Bud-Light drinking, disposable diaper wearing ATV riders should be banned from the forest. I am not clear what size segment we are dealing with there, but I am NOT suggesting that Devilman wears diapers. :D

3. Enforcement. In the Coconino National Forest, Red Rock Ranger District, we operate under Amendment 12, which is a good document. Virtually all who read Amendement 12 agree that it represents what our forest should be. Unfortuneately, this document is not specific enough in many regards--it uses words like "appropriate" without defining the subject with numerical, measureable values, and, subsequently, has not been actively enforced. All present agreed that it is not necessarily about writing new rules, but about making the ones we already have effective. One person complained about hunters parking in her driveway, ATV's high-balling up the trail behind her house, and people camping and coming and going all night. I pointed out that all of the above activities were already illegal in that particular spot. She said there are NO signs, and when she tries to call authorities, everyone passes the buck. (Again, see item #1.)

So my challenge to y'all is this (for those of you who took the time to read through my post): What can we do as individuals and as a group to facilitate better communication with our public land managers? Let's hear those ideas...?

Hackle
09-08-2005, 03:09 PM
Nena, great post as usual. Communication and understanding is a big part of learning to deal with the Agencies and them to learn to deal with us.
It takes a while to get it started but it is worth it after the first couple meetings.
Presently I am involved with a by-monthly meeting with Phoenix Office of the BLM and a monthly meeting with the Mesa District of the Forest Service (through the Friends of Sycamore group).
Sandee and others are involved with several groups including the Phoenix BLM, AZ Game & Fish and the Sheriff department in a group for the Lake Pleasant area. They take some work to set up but are well worth the effort.
If I can be of help let me know.
Jim F.

Sedona Jeep School
09-14-2005, 06:13 AM
Thanks, Jim. Although we are working in different circles, I do come across Sandee's and your names regularly. Keep up the good work!

rockwerks
09-14-2005, 08:11 AM
Nena I have not been to a meeting in awhile and if you can keep me posted on time and dates So I and others can attend.

This may be a good time for a few of us locals to help out. I have worked with BLM and forest service in the past (10 years ago) to place sign and barricades toclose redundant trails and protect wetlands etc. Maybe its time for us to step up again as the AZVJC and offer assistance in this way. The usual problem with agencies getting it done is a big lack of man power

papajeep
09-14-2005, 06:32 PM
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME I DRIVE A SEMI TRUCK :) THAT MEANS I NEED A CDL CLASS A LICENSE :) THAT I USE TO MAKE THE $55K+ :) TO SUPPORT MY JEEP :D & SO NO BEER IS WORTH LOSING THIS :mad: SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME I DON'T DRINK & DRIVE
But do you wear diapers?:D :D

rockwerks
09-14-2005, 07:03 PM
NOT OFTEN :mad: :rolleyes: :D


Fixed it for ya:D

Sedona Jeep School
09-14-2005, 07:43 PM
Devilman--I am sorry--I didn't mean to imply that you drink and drive. In fact, it never occurred to me that you would. I couldn't resist a tease in your direction when Bud Light came up.

Oh, and I am also sorry if I implied that you ride ATV's. :D

But the diapers...Hmmmm...:eek:

Devil Man
09-14-2005, 07:49 PM
Devilman--I am sorry--I didn't mean to imply that you drink and drive. In fact, it never occurred to me that you would. I couldn't resist a tease in your direction when Bud Light came up.

Oh, and I am also sorry if I implied that you ride ATV's. :D

But the diapers...Hmmmm...:eek:
I AM NOT MAD I JUST WANT THIS GROUP TO KNOW THAT I DON'T DRINK & DRIVE BUT WHEN I GET HOME IT'S ON I WILL DRINK TILL I PASS OUT :eek: THEN I MIGHT NEED A DIAPER