South White Tanks-6/26/05

[D-Dub]

I am going to head out to the South White Tanks to play around a bit this Sunday morning if anyone is interested.

[cypherjoe]

Hey I would be happy to go. I havent been out there in years.
Count me in.
Is Stock OK? :confused:

[LOST TJ]

I'd be up for that. What trails and what time? Let me know.
Thanks

[D-Dub]

I was thinking about meeting at the Loves gas station at 9 AM. Not sure exactly what trails to run, it has been a long time since I have been done there too, so I hope I remember where to go. I was thinking about running Appetizer, but I am open to anything.

[LOST TJ]

Souns good. Where is the Loves gas station? The last time we were out we ran Appetizer, Tax Collector, Firebird and then Tie Rod wash on the way out. Was a great time and only took about 5 hours even stopping alot. Cypherjoe do you have your vital parts covered? Armor would be a plus. Firebird would be harsh on stock clearance. I'm sure its been done stock by somebody, but last time i was there my bottom took a good beating and i'm on 33s.

[cypherjoe]

Souns good. Where is the Loves gas station? The last time we were out we ran Appetizer, Tax Collector, Firebird and then Tie Rod wash on the way out. Was a great time and only took about 5 hours even stopping alot. Cypherjoe do you have your vital parts covered? Armor would be a plus. Firebird would be harsh on stock clearance. I'm sure its been done stock by somebody, but last time i was there my bottom took a good beating and i'm on 33s.

:( I need a steering box plate and a oil pan plate. But if it gets too rough I can always find somewhere to go pass some time or something. I'll go pretend I'm The croc hunter and wrangle me some rattlers! :D

[Wind_Danzer]

I've got Sunday off so I might be up for this little gathering. Been there a few times but don't ask me to lead anywhere, I'd be damned to remember where things are. :D

As long as you don't mind me taggin' along and don't mind 35's on a 35 :eek: and no lockers are needed, I'll see what I can do. :)

Good thing about Love's too, you don't need to have an air source cause theirs is free. :D

[LOST TJ]

Ya, you might want to get those coverd. I think Appetizer and Tax Collector you might be alright. The cool thing about the trails is the main road goes right along the side of them so you can pull off the trails here n there. Dw9549 did you post this at the old site too?

[big jim]

You might want to call the Sheriff's office first, I read on another board that the Sheriff had a tent set up out at Miller Rd., and was stopping people. They make you sign a paper that you have been told to stay out, they take your license number and if you get caught after that it's $1000.00 fine. There was no info on going in a Watson Rd., but I would check first. Hope this helps.

Jim

[jeephreak]

I really want to go, but I'm on call this week and my beeper just won't stop beeping. :mad: Thats my last day on call, so I might be able to get someone to cover for me. DW I will let you know towards the end of the week!

[LOST TJ]

Bigjim i had no idea it was illegal to wheel out there. I have only ran those trails twice, but never been bothered by any law enforcement. :confused:

[Wind_Danzer]

Same here, not to say it isn't happenign though now. They are building things up.... Always entered off Watson Rd. too.

[big jim]

This is something new due to all the new houses. What I heard was the closing is due more to shoting than 4 wheeling. I would just check to be sure!

Jim

[jeephreak]

but if you check, wouldnt that be tipping them off, rather than us running it and them not knowing, especially if there were restrictions? tough call.

[My1stJeep]

I did see on the news new signs, but there have always been signs out there. In the past they just required you to have your State Trust Land Permit. Due to all the new home construction the shooters are becoming a problem and some irresponsible wheelers/quads/bikes have been tearing up the construction sites. If you stick to Watson Road and head straight out you should be ok, I checked right after that story with STLD and they said it was not closed, but you do need your STL permit to be legal out there or it is a hefty fine.

[1BLKJP]

I did see on the news new signs, but there have always been signs out there. In the past they just required you to have your State Trust Land Permit. Due to all the new home construction the shooters are becoming a problem and some irresponsible wheelers/quads/bikes have been tearing up the construction sites. If you stick to Watson Road and head straight out you should be ok, I checked right after that story with STLD and they said it was not closed, but you do need your STL permit to be legal out there or it is a hefty fine.

That would make sense if the Sheriff was out there as they are the ones that usually patrol state trust lands. And the fine for not having a permit on state trust land is usually pretty hefty. It's definitely worth the 15 dollar individual or 20 dollar family membership. Hopefully the law enforcement presence can keep the traffic down out there and keep the Tanks open for us longer.

[jeephreak]

how and where do you get a permit?????

[bgwhtjp33]

I go out there all the time, go in off of Watson Rd, there are a lot of new homes going up so part of the road is blocked. Don't use Miller Rd. TOO MANY! shooters

I'll be out there Sun. so if you want me to show you around, my little xj will lead you.......lol

[DesertX04]

I'd be up for it, haven't seen a "No Dana 35" sign yet. But I've never been out there and have no clue where the Love's gas station is?

Alan

[D-Dub]

I have not posted on the old site, I am having trouble logging on to it. bgwhtjp33 if you want and are willing to lead, I am more then fine with that. Actually that would be better since most of us haven't been out there in a bit. Is Loves on Miller Road the best place to meet up and the we can all head to Watson? If someone else can log on to the old site, post it up for this Sunday at 9:00 or so.

[bgwhtjp33]

Love's truck stop is on Miller Rd. I think exit 114, I'll check tomorrow on the way to work, just let me know how many are going to be there.

[D-Dub]

For those who do not know, Loves gas station is on the south side of I-10 off the Miller Road exit. Take I-10 west out of town to Miller Road exit. Go left under the overpass and Love's is right there. Be there at 9:00.

[LOST TJ]

Ed lead us through there before and did a great job. Awesome spotting too. I'll be there.

[roger]

how and where do you get a permit?????

You can get them at the State Land Department in downtown Phoenix. I think the address is 1616 W. Adams. You walk in, spend 2 minutes filling out a small form, give them your money, and then leave with your permit. It's quick and painless.

There may be other places or individuals from whom to get STLD permits but I'm not up on those sources. I believe at one time, 4 Wheelers Supply and Sandee McCullen sold the permits.

-Roger

[jeephreak]

cool thanks for the info. I'll check into it.

Dave - shoot me a PM with the info on that Shop you were telling me about will you?

[bgwhtjp33]

Remember it's going to be HOT! out there bring lot's of water and sun protection.

[roger]

You guys might want to take a look at this link:

http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5509

I don't know how accurate any of it is and, if it is accurate, what the ramifications are.

-Roger

[bgwhtjp33]

I think that I'm going to back out of this run till I find out more info. on just why they are closing the area down. :confused:

[Wind_Danzer]

I've been out there a few times, gone in off Watson Rd. and have never seen anyone there. This was a couple of months back though.

As for State Trust Land, I've never heard of this being State Trust Land. Anyone have links and maps to the area and how exaclty can someone put no tresspassing signs on trust land? Isn't that for use by anyone that has the permit?

[D-Dub]

We can always go out there and find out the scoop. I may go scout it out tomorrow. If we can't go there does anyone have an alternate plan?

[roger]

We can always go out there and find out the scoop. I may go scout it out tomorrow. If we can't go there does anyone have an alternate plan?

The Gila Monster and Cheap Trick trails are in the Buckeye Hills area south of I-10. Gila Monster can be easy or more challenging depending on the lines you pick. It's short but fun.

-Roger

[bgwhtjp33]

Anyone know where to find out what land is what, BLM, State Trust, ect. Sure would like to know if the Sheriff Dept. can shut down said land, as I have never seen any No Tresspassing signs.

[Wind_Danzer]

Anyone know where to find out what land is what, BLM, State Trust, ect. Sure would like to know if the Sheriff Dept. can shut down said land, as I have never seen any No Tresspassing signs.

I was just given this link, check it out:


http://sco.az.gov/website/arizona/viewer.htm

[AZXJ]

Gila Monster and Cheap trick have pretty much become null trails. The shale has filled in almost all the obsticles except the large fall on Gila monster.
The only thing that will make these trails good again is one big huge monsoon storm.... :eek: kinda makes me sad since they were both awsome trails when I found them 6 years ago..


Later
DaveO

[bgwhtjp33]

Where can we get directions to Gila Monster and Cheap Trick. I remember Dave telling me about them at the XJ Anniversry run but no directions

[D-Dub]

So what what does everyon think we should do? I think unless we find a another place to go I am going to still meet at the Love's at 9:00 and find out what is up with the area. I think we will be alright to go up Watson. Open to ideas though.

Dave

[bgwhtjp33]

I'll meetyou out there if they don't let us in we'll just run them down...lol...we will figure out something. I have to change water pump back, I just put Flow Kooler pump on now I can't drive around the block :mad: so now I'm putting the old one back on.

[Woody]

I'll meetyou out there if they don't let us in we'll just run them down...lol...we will figure out something. I have to change water pump back, I just put Flow Kooler pump on now I can't drive around the block :mad: so now I'm putting the old one back on.

Am I getting this??? You installed a new flowkooler water pump, but now it is overheating on a ride around the block??

If that's the case, I'd say you either have air trapped in the system, or the fan blade on backwards (can you guess how I know that one :o ).

Woody

[D-Dub]

See you all in the morning!

[bgwhtjp33]

I'm not going to make it out there. Dang thing is still runnig hot. :confused:

[Antman]

I'm not going to make it out there. Dang thing is still runnig hot. :confused:

Ed, I dont know what all you have done at this point, and dont want to sound like a know it all. BUT, did you check the thermostat and your fan clutch?
If the thermostat is stuck or only partially opening, and if the fan clutch isn't working properly, she'll get hot. I found the best way to check the thermostat is just pull it and put the housing back on. Then the motor will take forever to get to temperature if everything is ok. See if you can spin the fan, if it spins freely, its shot. With the engine cold if should turn by hand but not spin freely. If it spins freely it will not suck air through the radiator for cooling and run hot. But you may know all of this and have already tried these things, so its a shot in the dark and if you have I apoligize for butting in. Although I am curious and please let us know what you find.

[bgwhtjp33]

Yeah I'll let you know, I've got the hole thing apart right now. Fan clutch is about 2 months old feels good, rad. out water flows good with hose, water pump and thermostat are out. Took a wire coat hanger ran through the block and head best I could, with the hose in the threm. opening a little bit of crud came out the pump opening, not much though. Going to get a new therm. see what happens....

[LOST TJ]

I had a blast today everyone. Thanks for trusting in me to lead. :D I am glad i found 3 outta 4. I need ED to show me where Tie Rod Wash is again. It was fun rubbing my Jeep against the Rocks with you all. I hope to wheel with you all again soon. Cya
Travis (LOST TJ)

[Wind_Danzer]

So what's the word with the LEO's? Any info on that. Did you enter off Miller or Watson?

[LOST TJ]

We came in off of Watson. There is some more construction there and some tractors parked in the airdown spot that were not there before. We had no problems. No police and no signs. On the way out we looked for any no trespassing and State Trust land signs and there are none.
I can not say if it is leagal or not but i see nothing saying it's not. It has turned into a trash dump n a half out there and it is sad. That might just end up getting it closed. :mad:

[Robve]

Thanks for the good run.
I didn't get too many pictures towards the end of the day, but this is what I did get.

The other Travis.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/robve2/album?.dir=/ad12&.src=ph&.tok=phUHfNDBgSThgPf5

[D-Dub]

I had a great time as well. We will have to go on another together sometime. We had a few bent tie rods, but beside that everything was pretty uneventful as far as vehicle damge. Good times!

[cypherjoe]

Hey awsome ride today!! I had a blast, I really appreciate all the help you guy's gave me. Thanks for letting the stocker tag along!!
We might have been following a Lost TJ but we sure found some fun stuff!!
To bad you can't see my face in that one photo :eek: :D :eek: :D :confused: :eek: :cool: it was a conflicting moment.lol
Take care all
Great Time!!

Mike

[D-Dub]

Cypher, you need to lift that thing and come out with us again.

[cypherjoe]

Workin on it DW.... Workin on it....

[FlexyXJ]

Nice pics!!!! It looks like you guys had a fun time!! Looks hot too... :D Its rather sad to see those trails that beat down though. It seems like not that long ago they were alot harder than that.


Joe