Body mount bushing sleeves - necessary?

[k7mto]

I replaced my CJ's 25 year old, rusted, decayed body mounts yesterday with new Daystar body mounts I picked up at 4 Wheeler's. Only 2 of the mounts in the kit contain steel sleeves in the poly mount. The rest were all just poly tops/bottoms. Are the steel sleeves necessary/required in every mount? I would think they'd all come sleeved if they were necessary, but reviewing various web writeups it seems the sleeves may be desireable in every mount to prevent body movement (or are they simply to prevent crushing the mount and poly mounts don't need them where rubber mounts do?)

The hard part is over, so if I need to remove the new mounts and insert sleeves, it should be a simple process. If I do need them, anyone know a source (east valley pref) with decent selection of sizes/lengths?

TIA

[ecp3031]

i just recently did all my body mounts on my 84 CJ7 with a Daystar 1" lift kit. ALL of the bushings came with sleeves in my kit. Any chance you got a box that had been opened and some parts taken out?

[k7mto]

As a matter of fact, the box was open. I just called 4 Wheelers and they said no receipt, no replacement. I bought the kit many months ago and likely won't be able to find it, but I'd think a place you spend lots of money at would try a little harder at customer service. Maybe Simon can help me out?

[Devil Man]

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[k7mto]

Thanks, Eric. I'll call Daystar and see if I can get the sleeves I need. if not, I did find the receipt and can bring back this kit, but it'd be much easier to just slip the sleeves in versus pulling every mount off my CJ at once.

I'm going to call Simon on Monday and see if they can just pull the sleeves from another kit (like someone apparently did to mine) so I don't have to remove every mount, bring them back and trade them for another kit.

[Devil Man]

Thanks, Eric. I'll call Daystar and see if I can get the sleeves I need. if not, I did find the receipt and can bring back this kit, but it'd be much easier to just slip the sleeves in versus pulling every mount off my CJ at once.

I'm going to call Simon on Monday and see if they can just pull the sleeves from another kit (like someone apparently did to mine) so I don't have to remove every mount, bring them back and trade them for another kit.
did you get this resolved

[k7mto]

Not yet. I didn't get a chance to call today. For the time being, I made some temporary sleeves which will add some stability until I either get the correct sleeves ot a new set of pucks. I'm sure I can still make the run providing I take care of another issue I just became aware of.

I was under it today tightening bolts and noticed my trans/xfer case skid plate is cracked. The ladder bar (for SOA axle wrap prevention) attaches to the skid plate with two bolts. There is a (too small) steel plate which sandwiches the skid plate which the bolts go through. The torque on the sid plate from the ladder bar cracked the skid plate. It's not so bad that it'd cause any major problems, but I should at least try to get it welded before Friday night. I posted a thread lfor a stock CJ skid plate. If I find one before Friday, I'll swap it in. I also talked with Bill Aylesworth about building a custom skid plate which can handle the torqu from the ladder bar better.

[Devil Man]

Not yet. I didn't get a chance to call today. For the time being, I made some temporary sleeves which will add some stability until I either get the correct sleeves ot a new set of pucks. I'm sure I can still make the run providing I take care of another issue I just became aware of.

I was under it today tightening bolts and noticed my trans/xfer case skid plate is cracked. The ladder bar (for SOA axle wrap prevention) attaches to the skid plate with two bolts. There is a (too small) steel plate which sandwiches the skid plate which the bolts go through. The torque on the sid plate from the ladder bar cracked the skid plate. It's not so bad that it'd cause any major problems, but I should at least try to get it welded before Friday night. I posted a thread lfor a stock CJ skid plate. If I find one before Friday, I'll swap it in. I also talked with Bill Aylesworth about building a custom skid plate which can handle the torqu from the ladder bar better.
I try not to look at my jeep too much because theirs always something broke on my jeep :eek:

[azjeepcjman]

I look at mine when I have to, always find things that really NEED to be fixed, and then decide to go out wheeling anyways. Fortunately my memory isn't that great about things I need to do, so I am able to forget about the things I found that might stop me from going out and playing. :D

[Linda]

There was a cutoff point some time in the early 1970s when Kaiser or AMC went from rubber w/no sleeve to rubber w/sleeve. I am not sure about the CJs, but they went to the sleeved model when they reduced the number of body mounts. The fewer mounts, the higher the possibility of the body moving around so the sleeving is necessary.

My 1954 wagon uses 15 body mounts (one is under the grill) and they are not sleeved. They don't have to be because there are so many of them.

The wagon's body mount bushings need to be replaced. I spent several months looking around for rubber replacements. I couldn't find anything. I started contacting companies like Daystar for comparable poly parts. I couldn't find anything close. Daystar's stuff was in the 60A-70A range. That might be okay for newer vehicles, but not old ones. The bodies are not as reenforced and need a little more cushioning. I ended up purchasing a 36" length of 40A poly from McMaster-Carr which will be cut into body mount bushings. I would have liked to have found rubber, but from my research, most auto manufacturers are now using soft polyurethane instead of rubber since it lasts longer (ie, the length of the warranty period).