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12813 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 0:36pm
Subject: Alternative Vehicle Conversion
I am Concerned for a friend of mine, He took out a 2nd Mortgage to
get 2 AFV Ford F-550's Converted from the factory in some other state
than mine(Arizona). The trucks Purchased were of the 40,000 dollar
value each, his mortgage loan was 90,000.00 to cover cost of
conversion. I don't know for sure, but from what I have read he is in
for trouble. You see he has only Two or Three years to pay back his
loan, which is impossible on his current income. Now the details, He
believes that he will recover all but 3600.00 dollars of the total
cost of the vehicles Plus the Conversion in otherwords he believes
that the Government is going to give him a Check for $86,000.00 and
he will be able to Payback the Mortgage Loan. To me this sounds like
the Government is giving out Alot for Nothing. I don't know how or
where he got his information. But I Just wanted to find out for his
sake. I don't want him to make a grave Mistake and Loose his house
which is Paid for, Well until now. Can you Please Help me with any
information. I have Checked all of the Site regarding this issue
including the .gov sites and have found nothing to that sort.
Sincerely: Larry 87' Wrangler Sport
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12814 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 0:41pm
Subject: Re: Alternative Vehicle Conversion
You might try the IRS web site. I believe it is a tax credit so it only
reduces the amount of taxes he has to pay.
grafik_lar@y... wrote:
>
> I am Concerned for a friend of mine, He took out a 2nd Mortgage to
> get 2 AFV Ford F-550's Converted from the factory in some other state
> than mine(Arizona). The trucks Purchased were of the 40,000 dollar
> value each, his mortgage loan was 90,000.00 to cover cost of
> conversion. I don't know for sure, but from what I have read he is in
> for trouble. You see he has only Two or Three years to pay back his
> loan, which is impossible on his current income. Now the details, He
> believes that he will recover all but 3600.00 dollars of the total
> cost of the vehicles Plus the Conversion in otherwords he believes
> that the Government is going to give him a Check for $86,000.00 and
> he will be able to Payback the Mortgage Loan. To me this sounds like
> the Government is giving out Alot for Nothing. I don't know how or
> where he got his information. But I Just wanted to find out for his
> sake. I don't want him to make a grave Mistake and Loose his house
> which is Paid for, Well until now. Can you Please Help me with any
> information. I have Checked all of the Site regarding this issue
> including the .gov sites and have found nothing to that sort.
>
> Sincerely: Larry 87' Wrangler Sport
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12815 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 0:45pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
I'm not sure what the "good" and "bad" mounts are so I can't comment on
the trade-offs there. Mounting the jack on the front bumper means you'll
mount it either on the front of the bumper or on top of the bumper. How
well these work depends on the type of vehicle you have. For a YJ, here's
my take on the trade-offs of these two options:
front of bumper
- Advantage: Easy to mount.
- Disadvantage: The jack becomes the bumper. If you run into something
there's a chance you'll damage the jack.
- Disadvantage: Reduced arrival angle. If you need to climb a steep ledge
or you have to drop into and climb out of a hole, the jack
may scrape and possibly damage the jack and/or the mounts.
top of bumper
- Advantage: Easy to mount.
- Advantage: Jack does not become the bumper.
- Advantage: No reduction in arrival angle.
- Disadvantage: Little clearance between base of jack and fender. It will
be real easy to smack the jack pushing it back into the
fender. This could be addressed by removing the base of
the jack and carrying that inside the vehicle.
-Roger
Blair Bendler wrote:
>
> Everyone that doesn't have a hi-lift must have decided to get one this past
> week. I called Desert Rat, Offroad Unlim., and Fly-N-Hi and they were either
> out of the jack or the mount. At OU I found the jack and a mount, but the
> guy told me that the "good" mounts wouldn't be in for a week or two. He
> wouldn't go into why it wasn't a good mount, just that he doesn't recommend
> it. So... my questions are... anyone know the difference between the two
> mounting systems? Also... he said he doesn't recommend installing them on
> the front bumper, which is where I'd like mine. Doesn't seem like it'd
> interfere with clearance or anything. I'm kind of impatient... what is my
> best course of action? Wait for the so-called "good" mounting system, or go
> out and buy the "crappy" one?
>
> -B
12816 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 0:59pm
Subject: Re: Alternative Vehicle Conversion
My understanding is that this differs from state to state. I think
there is some amount of reimbursement from the feds but most of it
comes from the state. Here in Arizona, I've heard that you get back
a big part of the cost of the vehicle plus the cost to do the conversion.
I've heard they waive the registration fee for the first year or two.
But I've also heard that you don't really get a check from the government,
you get credits on your taxes. Take all of this with a grain of salt
because I've only heard this through the grapevine.
I would be very skeptical about your friend getting back as much as
he thinks he is. He needs to check into it more to get the real details.
By the way, I just saw a story about Arizona's alternative fuel
program on the new the other night. It seems that so many people are
taking advantage of it that the officials are going to take a look to
see if the state can still afford it. So, it might not be available
for long here in Arizona.
-Roger
grafik_lar@y... wrote:
>
> I am Concerned for a friend of mine, He took out a 2nd Mortgage to
> get 2 AFV Ford F-550's Converted from the factory in some other state
> than mine(Arizona). The trucks Purchased were of the 40,000 dollar
> value each, his mortgage loan was 90,000.00 to cover cost of
> conversion. I don't know for sure, but from what I have read he is in
> for trouble. You see he has only Two or Three years to pay back his
> loan, which is impossible on his current income. Now the details, He
> believes that he will recover all but 3600.00 dollars of the total
> cost of the vehicles Plus the Conversion in otherwords he believes
> that the Government is going to give him a Check for $86,000.00 and
> he will be able to Payback the Mortgage Loan. To me this sounds like
> the Government is giving out Alot for Nothing. I don't know how or
> where he got his information. But I Just wanted to find out for his
> sake. I don't want him to make a grave Mistake and Loose his house
> which is Paid for, Well until now. Can you Please Help me with any
> information. I have Checked all of the Site regarding this issue
> including the .gov sites and have found nothing to that sort.
>
> Sincerely: Larry 87' Wrangler Sport
12817 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:09pm
Subject: Tuma roadless cartoons
If you haven't checked out our club site lately, go see the cartoon that Tom put out there on the opening page. The cartoonist gave us permission to use this cartoon on our site and just recently sent another URL with a second in the series. It is at:
http://www.conservativenews.org/cartoon/Tumaarchive/cart20000918.asp
How about putting one of these on our T-Shirt?
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@mindspring.com
12818 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:07pm
Subject: RE: GPS Software
Datel,
Can you give us an idea of what kind of use your GPS will see? I would hate
to recommend software designed primarily for street use and you are thinking
off-road-o-ramma kind of stuff.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dale M. Schuler [mailto:dsoutwest@e...]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:51
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] GPS Software
>
>
>I bought a Garmin GPS III + and would like to get some type of mapping
>software. Can anyone tell me what I should buy?
>
>
>Dale M Schuler
>2000 Green TJ
>3" Lift, 33x12.5 Mud Tires
>AZ_VJC
>Roadrunner 4-Wheelers
>
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________________________ _____
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>
>
>
>
>
12819 From: Blair Bendler <blairb@r...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:24pm
Subject: Hi-Lift PT II
Ok... I found out some specifics of the different mounting systems. One is
the 4x4rac system that Dale mentioned. This is the "good" rack. The other is
a clamping mechanism, I couldn't find out the name... obviously this is the
less desirable one according to the guy at Offroad Unlimited. I don't have a
swing-out tire carrier, unfortunately. I have tow hooks on the front bumper,
so I guess it could only be mounted on the front of the bumper. Anyway...
I'm gonna buy the crappy one and hope it works well for me. If not, it's
only 25 bucks and when the 4x's come back in I'll pick one up. Thanks for
all the advice and info.
-B
12820 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:37pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
My Hi-Lift mounting 'system' consists of two U-clamps purchased from
Home Depot for $1.59 each. The U-clamps go around the top bar of my
roll bar and through the holes in the main shaft of the Hi-Lift. The
wing nuts on the U-clamps have never come loose in 2+ years of
wheeling, and the jack is out of the way but still easily accessible.
Just my 2 cents........
Len
12821 From: Dion Bozman <amstaff@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:50pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 307
There are dozens of ways to mount a Hi-lift. Personally, I like to have
mine inside the vehicle where it stays moderately clean. If you have a YJ
or CJ, you can strap it vertically along your roll bar just behind the
front seats, bottom of jack sits on floor pan. Or, if you have an
instatrunk, you can bolt it horizontally and attach it to the rear of the
roll bar on both sides.
dion
94YJ Sahara
>>Everyone that doesn't have a hi-lift must have decided to get one this past
week. I called Desert Rat, Offroad Unlim., and Fly-N-Hi and they were either
out of the jack or the mount. At OU I found the jack and a mount, but the
guy told me that the "good" mounts wouldn't be in for a week or two. He
wouldn't go into why it wasn't a good mount, just that he doesn't recommend
it. So... my questions are... anyone know the difference between the two
mounting systems? Also... he said he doesn't recommend installing them on
the front bumper, which is where I'd like mine. Doesn't seem like it'd
interfere with clearance or anything. I'm kind of impatient... what is my
best course of action? Wait for the so-called "good" mounting system, or go
out and buy the "crappy" one?
-B
12822 From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:56pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 307
Dion,
Sounds like you may have a seized compressor. I had what sounds like the
exact same thing happen to me on an old Cutlass I used to drive. The
"squealing" was the belt turning around a frozen compressor pulley.
Good Luck!
Tom Jacobson
12823 From: <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
Augh...but if they ever *do* come lose...do you really want that above your head? What if you rolled a couple times or something?
-SM
--------------------------------------------------------
"Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...> wrote:
>My Hi-Lift mounting 'system' consists of two U-clamps purchased from
>Home Depot for $1.59 each. The U-clamps go around the top bar of my
>roll bar and through the holes in the main shaft of the Hi-Lift. The
>wing nuts on the U-clamps have never come loose in 2+ years of
>wheeling, and the jack is out of the way but still easily accessible.
>
>Just my 2 cents........
>
>
>Len
>
>
>
>
>
>
12824 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:06pm
Subject: RE: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
Regardless of where it is attached, if internal to the vehicle, the chance
ALWAYS exists for it to come loose in a roll over.....just like anything
else you carry in your vehicle's interior.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roxie@t... [mailto:Roxie@t...]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 14:00
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Hi-Lift PT II
>
>
>Augh...but if they ever *do* come lose...do you really want that
>above your head? What if you rolled a couple times or something?
>
>-SM
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>"Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...> wrote:
>>My Hi-Lift mounting 'system' consists of two U-clamps purchased from
>>Home Depot for $1.59 each. The U-clamps go around the top bar of my
>>roll bar and through the holes in the main shaft of the Hi-Lift. The
>>wing nuts on the U-clamps have never come loose in 2+ years of
>>wheeling, and the jack is out of the way but still easily accessible.
>>
>>Just my 2 cents........
>>
>>
>>Len
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
12825 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:16pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
LOL......I suppose I should have put in a disclaimer. What works for
me may not be suitable for other folks. <grin>
For those of you who haven't met me on the trail yet, my Jeep is
slightly different from yours.............. I drive a J-10, so even
though the jack is on top of the roll bar it is not inside the
passenger compartment. If I roll the truck hard enough for the
jack/rollbar to come through the roof of the cab and hit me I've got
bigger problems than a bump on the head. :-)
Len
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Roxie@t... wrote:
> Augh...but if they ever *do* come lose...do you really want that
above your head? What if you rolled a couple times or something?
>
> -SM
>
12826 From: <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
Well, touche'. ;)
We just spent a bunch of discussion on this after seeing someone on the beach lose their jack this weekend - got the whole front end pretty good, and bounced up...almost to the winshield....
-Stacy-Michelle
ww.thejeepgoddess.com
--------------------------------------------------------
"Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...> wrote:
>LOL......I suppose I should have put in a disclaimer. What works for
>me may not be suitable for other folks. <grin>
>
>For those of you who haven't met me on the trail yet, my Jeep is
>slightly different from yours.............. I drive a J-10, so even
>though the jack is on top of the roll bar it is not inside the
>passenger compartment. If I roll the truck hard enough for the
>jack/rollbar to come through the roof of the cab and hit me I've got
>bigger problems than a bump on the head. :-)
>
>
>Len
>
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Roxie@t... wrote:
>> Augh...but if they ever *do* come lose...do you really want that
>above your head? What if you rolled a couple times or something?
>>
>> -SM
>>
>
>
>
>
>
12827 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 2:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
The last guy I heard rolled over on his Jeep, was hit on the face, not by
his CO2 tank, not by his Chest, not by any tool, spare part or HI LIFT, but
his CB.
As Gump said, Life is like a box of chocolates, You never know what you are
gonna get
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YO.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
To: <roxie@t...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hi-Lift PT II
> Regardless of where it is attached, if internal to the vehicle, the chance
> ALWAYS exists for it to come loose in a roll over.....just like anything
> else you carry in your vehicle's interior.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roxie@t... [mailto:Roxie@t...]
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 14:00
> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Hi-Lift PT II
> >
> >
> >Augh...but if they ever *do* come lose...do you really want that
> >above your head? What if you rolled a couple times or something?
> >
> >-SM
> >
> >--------------------------------------------------------
> >"Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...> wrote:
> >>My Hi-Lift mounting 'system' consists of two U-clamps purchased from
> >>Home Depot for $1.59 each. The U-clamps go around the top bar of my
> >>roll bar and through the holes in the main shaft of the Hi-Lift. The
> >>wing nuts on the U-clamps have never come loose in 2+ years of
> >>wheeling, and the jack is out of the way but still easily accessible.
> >>
> >>Just my 2 cents........
> >>
> >>
> >>Len
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
12828 From: <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:17pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
Regarding the disadvantage of the lift becoming the front bumper and if you run into someone, damaging the lift?!?
How much is that lift? $60? (That's what they are in Seattle) - imagine the difference in damage you do with this angled piece of steel on the front. I'd be more worried about damaging your Jeep or the other person's car!!
Anyway - a few thoughts on mounting Hi-Lift Jacks:
1 - Disadvantage of having it on the front bumper? Do you go out and check that your bumper is screwed on tightly each day? You'll have to now. Even a little bit of driving can losen these bolts used with mounting kits. Last thing you want is this huge chunk of metal flying at your front winshield after you hit a bump.
2 - If you leave your leave your high lift jack on all the time...rust. (Thought this was funny to throw this in. It's something we have to worry about out here, but not there...unless you're in flagstaff ;)
3 - Instructions that come with the high lift mounting thingy say to mount your jack on there handle down. DO NOT DO THIS!! All it takes is something taking off that lovely velcro strap (or whatever you used to hold the handle to the jack) and that handle falls. And guess what? At 35 miles per hour...that is one horrible thing to happen. Shears the handle right off...and if you're front mounted, it sends it under your vehicle to gouge out parts and pieces.
Anyway - my 2 cents of the day (#1 from watching it happen, #2 from observations of locals, #3 from personal experience. :)
-Stacy-Michelle
--------------------------------------------------------
Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
>I'm not sure what the "good" and "bad" mounts are so I can't comment on
>the trade-offs there. Mounting the jack on the front bumper means you'll
>mount it either on the front of the bumper or on top of the bumper. How
>well these work depends on the type of vehicle you have. For a YJ, here's
>my take on the trade-offs of these two options:
>
>front of bumper
>
> - Advantage: Easy to mount.
> - Disadvantage: The jack becomes the bumper. If you run into something
> there's a chance you'll damage the jack.
> - Disadvantage: Reduced arrival angle. If you need to climb a steep ledge
> or you have to drop into and climb out of a hole, the jack
> may scrape and possibly damage the jack and/or the mounts.
>
>top of bumper
>
> - Advantage: Easy to mount.
> - Advantage: Jack does not become the bumper.
> - Advantage: No reduction in arrival angle.
> - Disadvantage: Little clearance between base of jack and fender. It will
> be real easy to smack the jack pushing it back into the
> fender. This could be addressed by removing the base of
> the jack and carrying that inside the vehicle.
>
>-Roger
>
>Blair Bendler wrote:
>>
>> Everyone that doesn't have a hi-lift must have decided to get one this past
>> week. I called Desert Rat, Offroad Unlim., and Fly-N-Hi and they were either
>> out of the jack or the mount. At OU I found the jack and a mount, but the
>> guy told me that the "good" mounts wouldn't be in for a week or two. He
>> wouldn't go into why it wasn't a good mount, just that he doesn't recommend
>> it. So... my questions are... anyone know the difference between the two
>> mounting systems? Also... he said he doesn't recommend installing them on
>> the front bumper, which is where I'd like mine. Doesn't seem like it'd
>> interfere with clearance or anything. I'm kind of impatient... what is my
>> best course of action? Wait for the so-called "good" mounting system, or go
>> out and buy the "crappy" one?
>>
>> -B
>
>
>
12829 From: Jake Simoneaux <jeepboy50@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:23pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
b,
the way i have mine mounted in my tj is behind the rear seat on top of my
add-a-trunk. i simply drilled t holes in the lide, put a locking clamp on
one end and a bolt on the other. then i used wing bolts to hold it down.
then above the wing bolts i drilled holes in the bolts to put locks in. the
jask is out of sight, nicely locked down, not effected by the elements and
easy to get to since it is inside the jeep.
just my idea.
jake
99 tj "sparky"
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12830 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 2:37pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
I will just say: add a bolt to secure it inside your floor as I do, that way
it will never go loose. If you carry tools or spare parts is because you
MAY need them. If you just once break your hi lift and you need it, you
will regret it for sure. Do it well, do it just once.
If its inside of the jeep may be better since you never know when and how
are you going to need it. Its like putting it underneath, why not? hehehe
because some day you will get stuck and will need it to get you out of the
rocks!
Just my thoughts. this topic is getting loooooooooong, hope not to bother
anyone, if so, ask Keith Auble how to use the DELETE functions ;)
Jesus Chio: http://www.alloffroad.com
Get your own free webpage at: http://signup.alloffroad.com
Lets make a better world, for our parents, us, for our children, for anyone.
YO.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Roxie@t...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Hi-Lift
> Regarding the disadvantage of the lift becoming the front bumper and if
you run into someone, damaging the lift?!?
>
> How much is that lift? $60? (That's what they are in Seattle) - imagine
the difference in damage you do with this angled piece of steel on the
front. I'd be more worried about damaging your Jeep or the other person's
car!!
>
> Anyway - a few thoughts on mounting Hi-Lift Jacks:
>
> 1 - Disadvantage of having it on the front bumper? Do you go out and
check that your bumper is screwed on tightly each day? You'll have to now.
Even a little bit of driving can losen these bolts used with mounting kits.
Last thing you want is this huge chunk of metal flying at your front
winshield after you hit a bump.
>
> 2 - If you leave your leave your high lift jack on all the time...rust.
(Thought this was funny to throw this in. It's something we have to worry
about out here, but not there...unless you're in flagstaff ;)
>
> 3 - Instructions that come with the high lift mounting thingy say to mount
your jack on there handle down. DO NOT DO THIS!! All it takes is something
taking off that lovely velcro strap (or whatever you used to hold the handle
to the jack) and that handle falls. And guess what? At 35 miles per
hour...that is one horrible thing to happen. Shears the handle right
off...and if you're front mounted, it sends it under your vehicle to gouge
out parts and pieces.
>
> Anyway - my 2 cents of the day (#1 from watching it happen, #2 from
observations of locals, #3 from personal experience. :)
>
> -Stacy-Michelle
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> >I'm not sure what the "good" and "bad" mounts are so I can't comment on
> >the trade-offs there. Mounting the jack on the front bumper means you'll
> >mount it either on the front of the bumper or on top of the bumper. How
> >well these work depends on the type of vehicle you have. For a YJ,
here's
> >my take on the trade-offs of these two options:
> >
> >front of bumper
> >
> > - Advantage: Easy to mount.
> > - Disadvantage: The jack becomes the bumper. If you run into
something
> > there's a chance you'll damage the jack.
> > - Disadvantage: Reduced arrival angle. If you need to climb a steep
ledge
> > or you have to drop into and climb out of a hole, the
jack
> > may scrape and possibly damage the jack and/or the
mounts.
> >
> >top of bumper
> >
> > - Advantage: Easy to mount.
> > - Advantage: Jack does not become the bumper.
> > - Advantage: No reduction in arrival angle.
> > - Disadvantage: Little clearance between base of jack and fender. It
will
> > be real easy to smack the jack pushing it back into
the
> > fender. This could be addressed by removing the base
of
> > the jack and carrying that inside the vehicle.
> >
> >-Roger
> >
> >Blair Bendler wrote:
> >>
> >> Everyone that doesn't have a hi-lift must have decided to get one this
past
> >> week. I called Desert Rat, Offroad Unlim., and Fly-N-Hi and they were
either
> >> out of the jack or the mount. At OU I found the jack and a mount, but
the
> >> guy told me that the "good" mounts wouldn't be in for a week or two. He
> >> wouldn't go into why it wasn't a good mount, just that he doesn't
recommend
> >> it. So... my questions are... anyone know the difference between the
two
> >> mounting systems? Also... he said he doesn't recommend installing them
on
> >> the front bumper, which is where I'd like mine. Doesn't seem like it'd
> >> interfere with clearance or anything. I'm kind of impatient... what is
my
> >> best course of action? Wait for the so-called "good" mounting system,
or go
> >> out and buy the "crappy" one?
> >>
> >> -B
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
12831 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 11:07am
Subject: Ken Duncans YJ in Members Rigs
Ken,
Tom Q. has posted the pictures that I sent of your jeep on AZVJC Members
Rigs. I have to say the picture of your Jeep on my tow strap looks really
good !! For those of you that do not know Ken, just keep a strap or a winch
handy or maybe a few extra parts and you'll met him sooner or later!
Ken, don't thank me, that's what buddies are for!
Chris
12832 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 3:52pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
Roxie@t... wrote:
>
> Regarding the disadvantage of the lift becoming the front bumper and if you
> run into someone, damaging the lift?!?
>
> How much is that lift? $60? (That's what they are in Seattle) - imagine the
> difference in damage you do with this angled piece of steel on the front.
> I'd be more worried about damaging your Jeep or the other person's car!!
Well, I wasn't thinking about on-road accidents. On the trails I run, it's
not uncommon to hit a front bumper on a rock ledge. I wouldn't want my HiLift
out front there taking the beating. Especially when I can replace my front
bumper for half the price of a HiLift.
-Roger
12833 From: Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:14pm
Subject: Who makes the best suspension lift?
Who makes the most complete, best quality suspension lift for Jeeps.
Jeff
12834 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 0:09pm
Subject: Re: Who makes the best suspension lift?
If youve got a TJ my money is on the Rubicon Express. And not just because
that is what I have, a buddy of mine has the Tera-Flex and we have done a
number of different test between the 2 and the Rubicon comes out on top.
Sharky
12835 From: <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:10pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
True....even on the trail..no WAY I could replace my front bumper for less than the lift...
Although I am thinking in the more general sense of a daily driver trail baby..
-SM
--------------------------------------------------------
Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
>Roxie@t... wrote:
>>
>> Regarding the disadvantage of the lift becoming the front bumper and if you
>> run into someone, damaging the lift?!?
>>
>> How much is that lift? $60? (That's what they are in Seattle) - imagine the
>> difference in damage you do with this angled piece of steel on the front.
>> I'd be more worried about damaging your Jeep or the other person's car!!
>
>Well, I wasn't thinking about on-road accidents. On the trails I run, it's
>not uncommon to hit a front bumper on a rock ledge. I wouldn't want my HiLift
>out front there taking the beating. Especially when I can replace my front
>bumper for half the price of a HiLift.
>
>-Roger
>
12836 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:11pm
Subject: Re: Who makes the best suspension lift?
No one, what's best to you is the worst to me. (LOL)
Its a Jeep thing and I don't understand
Sinan
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...> wrote:
> Who makes the most complete, best quality suspension lift for Jeeps.
>
> Jeff
12837 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:16pm
Subject: RE: Hi-Lift
I was recently storing the long section of the hi-lift in the factory front
bumper tube in my TJ.
It has been relocated to the top of the rear bumper. I noticed one day that
I was in a situation where I might need to use the jack and I did not have
adequate clearance to either side of the front bumper to I could pull it
out. Lot of good that does!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 15:52
>To: roxie@t...
>Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Hi-Lift
>
>
>Roxie@t... wrote:
>>
>> Regarding the disadvantage of the lift becoming the front bumper
>and if you
>> run into someone, damaging the lift?!?
>>
>> How much is that lift? $60? (That's what they are in Seattle) -
>imagine the
>> difference in damage you do with this angled piece of steel on the front.
>> I'd be more worried about damaging your Jeep or the other person's car!!
>
>Well, I wasn't thinking about on-road accidents. On the trails I run, it's
>not uncommon to hit a front bumper on a rock ledge. I wouldn't
>want my HiLift
>out front there taking the beating. Especially when I can replace my front
>bumper for half the price of a HiLift.
>
>-Roger
>
>
>
>
12813 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 0:36pm
Subject: Alternative Vehicle Conversion
I am Concerned for a friend of mine, He took out a 2nd Mortgage to
get 2 AFV Ford F-550's Converted from the factory in some other state
than mine(Arizona). The trucks Purchased were of the 40,000 dollar
value each, his mortgage loan was 90,000.00 to cover cost of
conversion. I don't know for sure, but from what I have read he is in
for trouble. You see he has only Two or Three years to pay back his
loan, which is impossible on his current income. Now the details, He
believes that he will recover all but 3600.00 dollars of the total
cost of the vehicles Plus the Conversion in otherwords he believes
that the Government is going to give him a Check for $86,000.00 and
he will be able to Payback the Mortgage Loan. To me this sounds like
the Government is giving out Alot for Nothing. I don't know how or
where he got his information. But I Just wanted to find out for his
sake. I don't want him to make a grave Mistake and Loose his house
which is Paid for, Well until now. Can you Please Help me with any
information. I have Checked all of the Site regarding this issue
including the .gov sites and have found nothing to that sort.
Sincerely: Larry 87' Wrangler Sport
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT
12814 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 0:41pm
Subject: Re: Alternative Vehicle Conversion
You might try the IRS web site. I believe it is a tax credit so it only
reduces the amount of taxes he has to pay.
grafik_lar@y... wrote:
>
> I am Concerned for a friend of mine, He took out a 2nd Mortgage to
> get 2 AFV Ford F-550's Converted from the factory in some other state
> than mine(Arizona). The trucks Purchased were of the 40,000 dollar
> value each, his mortgage loan was 90,000.00 to cover cost of
> conversion. I don't know for sure, but from what I have read he is in
> for trouble. You see he has only Two or Three years to pay back his
> loan, which is impossible on his current income. Now the details, He
> believes that he will recover all but 3600.00 dollars of the total
> cost of the vehicles Plus the Conversion in otherwords he believes
> that the Government is going to give him a Check for $86,000.00 and
> he will be able to Payback the Mortgage Loan. To me this sounds like
> the Government is giving out Alot for Nothing. I don't know how or
> where he got his information. But I Just wanted to find out for his
> sake. I don't want him to make a grave Mistake and Loose his house
> which is Paid for, Well until now. Can you Please Help me with any
> information. I have Checked all of the Site regarding this issue
> including the .gov sites and have found nothing to that sort.
>
> Sincerely: Larry 87' Wrangler Sport
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12815 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 0:45pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
I'm not sure what the "good" and "bad" mounts are so I can't comment on
the trade-offs there. Mounting the jack on the front bumper means you'll
mount it either on the front of the bumper or on top of the bumper. How
well these work depends on the type of vehicle you have. For a YJ, here's
my take on the trade-offs of these two options:
front of bumper
- Advantage: Easy to mount.
- Disadvantage: The jack becomes the bumper. If you run into something
there's a chance you'll damage the jack.
- Disadvantage: Reduced arrival angle. If you need to climb a steep ledge
or you have to drop into and climb out of a hole, the jack
may scrape and possibly damage the jack and/or the mounts.
top of bumper
- Advantage: Easy to mount.
- Advantage: Jack does not become the bumper.
- Advantage: No reduction in arrival angle.
- Disadvantage: Little clearance between base of jack and fender. It will
be real easy to smack the jack pushing it back into the
fender. This could be addressed by removing the base of
the jack and carrying that inside the vehicle.
-Roger
Blair Bendler wrote:
>
> Everyone that doesn't have a hi-lift must have decided to get one this past
> week. I called Desert Rat, Offroad Unlim., and Fly-N-Hi and they were either
> out of the jack or the mount. At OU I found the jack and a mount, but the
> guy told me that the "good" mounts wouldn't be in for a week or two. He
> wouldn't go into why it wasn't a good mount, just that he doesn't recommend
> it. So... my questions are... anyone know the difference between the two
> mounting systems? Also... he said he doesn't recommend installing them on
> the front bumper, which is where I'd like mine. Doesn't seem like it'd
> interfere with clearance or anything. I'm kind of impatient... what is my
> best course of action? Wait for the so-called "good" mounting system, or go
> out and buy the "crappy" one?
>
> -B
12816 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 0:59pm
Subject: Re: Alternative Vehicle Conversion
My understanding is that this differs from state to state. I think
there is some amount of reimbursement from the feds but most of it
comes from the state. Here in Arizona, I've heard that you get back
a big part of the cost of the vehicle plus the cost to do the conversion.
I've heard they waive the registration fee for the first year or two.
But I've also heard that you don't really get a check from the government,
you get credits on your taxes. Take all of this with a grain of salt
because I've only heard this through the grapevine.
I would be very skeptical about your friend getting back as much as
he thinks he is. He needs to check into it more to get the real details.
By the way, I just saw a story about Arizona's alternative fuel
program on the new the other night. It seems that so many people are
taking advantage of it that the officials are going to take a look to
see if the state can still afford it. So, it might not be available
for long here in Arizona.
-Roger
grafik_lar@y... wrote:
>
> I am Concerned for a friend of mine, He took out a 2nd Mortgage to
> get 2 AFV Ford F-550's Converted from the factory in some other state
> than mine(Arizona). The trucks Purchased were of the 40,000 dollar
> value each, his mortgage loan was 90,000.00 to cover cost of
> conversion. I don't know for sure, but from what I have read he is in
> for trouble. You see he has only Two or Three years to pay back his
> loan, which is impossible on his current income. Now the details, He
> believes that he will recover all but 3600.00 dollars of the total
> cost of the vehicles Plus the Conversion in otherwords he believes
> that the Government is going to give him a Check for $86,000.00 and
> he will be able to Payback the Mortgage Loan. To me this sounds like
> the Government is giving out Alot for Nothing. I don't know how or
> where he got his information. But I Just wanted to find out for his
> sake. I don't want him to make a grave Mistake and Loose his house
> which is Paid for, Well until now. Can you Please Help me with any
> information. I have Checked all of the Site regarding this issue
> including the .gov sites and have found nothing to that sort.
>
> Sincerely: Larry 87' Wrangler Sport
12817 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:09pm
Subject: Tuma roadless cartoons
If you haven't checked out our club site lately, go see the cartoon that Tom put out there on the opening page. The cartoonist gave us permission to use this cartoon on our site and just recently sent another URL with a second in the series. It is at:
http://www.conservativenews.org/cartoon/Tumaarchive/cart20000918.asp
How about putting one of these on our T-Shirt?
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@mindspring.com
12818 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:07pm
Subject: RE: GPS Software
Datel,
Can you give us an idea of what kind of use your GPS will see? I would hate
to recommend software designed primarily for street use and you are thinking
off-road-o-ramma kind of stuff.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dale M. Schuler [mailto:dsoutwest@e...]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:51
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] GPS Software
>
>
>I bought a Garmin GPS III + and would like to get some type of mapping
>software. Can anyone tell me what I should buy?
>
>
>Dale M Schuler
>2000 Green TJ
>3" Lift, 33x12.5 Mud Tires
>AZ_VJC
>Roadrunner 4-Wheelers
>
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________________________ _____
>Say Bye to Slow Internet!
>http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
>
>
>
>
>
12819 From: Blair Bendler <blairb@r...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:24pm
Subject: Hi-Lift PT II
Ok... I found out some specifics of the different mounting systems. One is
the 4x4rac system that Dale mentioned. This is the "good" rack. The other is
a clamping mechanism, I couldn't find out the name... obviously this is the
less desirable one according to the guy at Offroad Unlimited. I don't have a
swing-out tire carrier, unfortunately. I have tow hooks on the front bumper,
so I guess it could only be mounted on the front of the bumper. Anyway...
I'm gonna buy the crappy one and hope it works well for me. If not, it's
only 25 bucks and when the 4x's come back in I'll pick one up. Thanks for
all the advice and info.
-B
12820 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:37pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
My Hi-Lift mounting 'system' consists of two U-clamps purchased from
Home Depot for $1.59 each. The U-clamps go around the top bar of my
roll bar and through the holes in the main shaft of the Hi-Lift. The
wing nuts on the U-clamps have never come loose in 2+ years of
wheeling, and the jack is out of the way but still easily accessible.
Just my 2 cents........
Len
12821 From: Dion Bozman <amstaff@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:50pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 307
There are dozens of ways to mount a Hi-lift. Personally, I like to have
mine inside the vehicle where it stays moderately clean. If you have a YJ
or CJ, you can strap it vertically along your roll bar just behind the
front seats, bottom of jack sits on floor pan. Or, if you have an
instatrunk, you can bolt it horizontally and attach it to the rear of the
roll bar on both sides.
dion
94YJ Sahara
>>Everyone that doesn't have a hi-lift must have decided to get one this past
week. I called Desert Rat, Offroad Unlim., and Fly-N-Hi and they were either
out of the jack or the mount. At OU I found the jack and a mount, but the
guy told me that the "good" mounts wouldn't be in for a week or two. He
wouldn't go into why it wasn't a good mount, just that he doesn't recommend
it. So... my questions are... anyone know the difference between the two
mounting systems? Also... he said he doesn't recommend installing them on
the front bumper, which is where I'd like mine. Doesn't seem like it'd
interfere with clearance or anything. I'm kind of impatient... what is my
best course of action? Wait for the so-called "good" mounting system, or go
out and buy the "crappy" one?
-B
12822 From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:56pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 307
Dion,
Sounds like you may have a seized compressor. I had what sounds like the
exact same thing happen to me on an old Cutlass I used to drive. The
"squealing" was the belt turning around a frozen compressor pulley.
Good Luck!
Tom Jacobson
12823 From: <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:00pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
Augh...but if they ever *do* come lose...do you really want that above your head? What if you rolled a couple times or something?
-SM
--------------------------------------------------------
"Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...> wrote:
>My Hi-Lift mounting 'system' consists of two U-clamps purchased from
>Home Depot for $1.59 each. The U-clamps go around the top bar of my
>roll bar and through the holes in the main shaft of the Hi-Lift. The
>wing nuts on the U-clamps have never come loose in 2+ years of
>wheeling, and the jack is out of the way but still easily accessible.
>
>Just my 2 cents........
>
>
>Len
>
>
>
>
>
>
12824 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:06pm
Subject: RE: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
Regardless of where it is attached, if internal to the vehicle, the chance
ALWAYS exists for it to come loose in a roll over.....just like anything
else you carry in your vehicle's interior.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roxie@t... [mailto:Roxie@t...]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 14:00
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Hi-Lift PT II
>
>
>Augh...but if they ever *do* come lose...do you really want that
>above your head? What if you rolled a couple times or something?
>
>-SM
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>"Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...> wrote:
>>My Hi-Lift mounting 'system' consists of two U-clamps purchased from
>>Home Depot for $1.59 each. The U-clamps go around the top bar of my
>>roll bar and through the holes in the main shaft of the Hi-Lift. The
>>wing nuts on the U-clamps have never come loose in 2+ years of
>>wheeling, and the jack is out of the way but still easily accessible.
>>
>>Just my 2 cents........
>>
>>
>>Len
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
12825 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:16pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
LOL......I suppose I should have put in a disclaimer. What works for
me may not be suitable for other folks. <grin>
For those of you who haven't met me on the trail yet, my Jeep is
slightly different from yours.............. I drive a J-10, so even
though the jack is on top of the roll bar it is not inside the
passenger compartment. If I roll the truck hard enough for the
jack/rollbar to come through the roof of the cab and hit me I've got
bigger problems than a bump on the head. :-)
Len
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Roxie@t... wrote:
> Augh...but if they ever *do* come lose...do you really want that
above your head? What if you rolled a couple times or something?
>
> -SM
>
12826 From: <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
Well, touche'. ;)
We just spent a bunch of discussion on this after seeing someone on the beach lose their jack this weekend - got the whole front end pretty good, and bounced up...almost to the winshield....
-Stacy-Michelle
ww.thejeepgoddess.com
--------------------------------------------------------
"Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...> wrote:
>LOL......I suppose I should have put in a disclaimer. What works for
>me may not be suitable for other folks. <grin>
>
>For those of you who haven't met me on the trail yet, my Jeep is
>slightly different from yours.............. I drive a J-10, so even
>though the jack is on top of the roll bar it is not inside the
>passenger compartment. If I roll the truck hard enough for the
>jack/rollbar to come through the roof of the cab and hit me I've got
>bigger problems than a bump on the head. :-)
>
>
>Len
>
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Roxie@t... wrote:
>> Augh...but if they ever *do* come lose...do you really want that
>above your head? What if you rolled a couple times or something?
>>
>> -SM
>>
>
>
>
>
>
12827 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 2:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hi-Lift PT II
The last guy I heard rolled over on his Jeep, was hit on the face, not by
his CO2 tank, not by his Chest, not by any tool, spare part or HI LIFT, but
his CB.
As Gump said, Life is like a box of chocolates, You never know what you are
gonna get
Jesus Chio: http://www.alloffroad.com
Get your own free webpage at: http://signup.alloffroad.com
Lets make a better world, for our parents, us, for our children, for anyone.
YO.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
To: <roxie@t...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Hi-Lift PT II
> Regardless of where it is attached, if internal to the vehicle, the chance
> ALWAYS exists for it to come loose in a roll over.....just like anything
> else you carry in your vehicle's interior.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roxie@t... [mailto:Roxie@t...]
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 14:00
> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Hi-Lift PT II
> >
> >
> >Augh...but if they ever *do* come lose...do you really want that
> >above your head? What if you rolled a couple times or something?
> >
> >-SM
> >
> >--------------------------------------------------------
> >"Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...> wrote:
> >>My Hi-Lift mounting 'system' consists of two U-clamps purchased from
> >>Home Depot for $1.59 each. The U-clamps go around the top bar of my
> >>roll bar and through the holes in the main shaft of the Hi-Lift. The
> >>wing nuts on the U-clamps have never come loose in 2+ years of
> >>wheeling, and the jack is out of the way but still easily accessible.
> >>
> >>Just my 2 cents........
> >>
> >>
> >>Len
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
12828 From: <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:17pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
Regarding the disadvantage of the lift becoming the front bumper and if you run into someone, damaging the lift?!?
How much is that lift? $60? (That's what they are in Seattle) - imagine the difference in damage you do with this angled piece of steel on the front. I'd be more worried about damaging your Jeep or the other person's car!!
Anyway - a few thoughts on mounting Hi-Lift Jacks:
1 - Disadvantage of having it on the front bumper? Do you go out and check that your bumper is screwed on tightly each day? You'll have to now. Even a little bit of driving can losen these bolts used with mounting kits. Last thing you want is this huge chunk of metal flying at your front winshield after you hit a bump.
2 - If you leave your leave your high lift jack on all the time...rust. (Thought this was funny to throw this in. It's something we have to worry about out here, but not there...unless you're in flagstaff ;)
3 - Instructions that come with the high lift mounting thingy say to mount your jack on there handle down. DO NOT DO THIS!! All it takes is something taking off that lovely velcro strap (or whatever you used to hold the handle to the jack) and that handle falls. And guess what? At 35 miles per hour...that is one horrible thing to happen. Shears the handle right off...and if you're front mounted, it sends it under your vehicle to gouge out parts and pieces.
Anyway - my 2 cents of the day (#1 from watching it happen, #2 from observations of locals, #3 from personal experience. :)
-Stacy-Michelle
--------------------------------------------------------
Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
>I'm not sure what the "good" and "bad" mounts are so I can't comment on
>the trade-offs there. Mounting the jack on the front bumper means you'll
>mount it either on the front of the bumper or on top of the bumper. How
>well these work depends on the type of vehicle you have. For a YJ, here's
>my take on the trade-offs of these two options:
>
>front of bumper
>
> - Advantage: Easy to mount.
> - Disadvantage: The jack becomes the bumper. If you run into something
> there's a chance you'll damage the jack.
> - Disadvantage: Reduced arrival angle. If you need to climb a steep ledge
> or you have to drop into and climb out of a hole, the jack
> may scrape and possibly damage the jack and/or the mounts.
>
>top of bumper
>
> - Advantage: Easy to mount.
> - Advantage: Jack does not become the bumper.
> - Advantage: No reduction in arrival angle.
> - Disadvantage: Little clearance between base of jack and fender. It will
> be real easy to smack the jack pushing it back into the
> fender. This could be addressed by removing the base of
> the jack and carrying that inside the vehicle.
>
>-Roger
>
>Blair Bendler wrote:
>>
>> Everyone that doesn't have a hi-lift must have decided to get one this past
>> week. I called Desert Rat, Offroad Unlim., and Fly-N-Hi and they were either
>> out of the jack or the mount. At OU I found the jack and a mount, but the
>> guy told me that the "good" mounts wouldn't be in for a week or two. He
>> wouldn't go into why it wasn't a good mount, just that he doesn't recommend
>> it. So... my questions are... anyone know the difference between the two
>> mounting systems? Also... he said he doesn't recommend installing them on
>> the front bumper, which is where I'd like mine. Doesn't seem like it'd
>> interfere with clearance or anything. I'm kind of impatient... what is my
>> best course of action? Wait for the so-called "good" mounting system, or go
>> out and buy the "crappy" one?
>>
>> -B
>
>
>
12829 From: Jake Simoneaux <jeepboy50@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:23pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
b,
the way i have mine mounted in my tj is behind the rear seat on top of my
add-a-trunk. i simply drilled t holes in the lide, put a locking clamp on
one end and a bolt on the other. then i used wing bolts to hold it down.
then above the wing bolts i drilled holes in the bolts to put locks in. the
jask is out of sight, nicely locked down, not effected by the elements and
easy to get to since it is inside the jeep.
just my idea.
jake
99 tj "sparky"
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12830 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 2:37pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
I will just say: add a bolt to secure it inside your floor as I do, that way
it will never go loose. If you carry tools or spare parts is because you
MAY need them. If you just once break your hi lift and you need it, you
will regret it for sure. Do it well, do it just once.
If its inside of the jeep may be better since you never know when and how
are you going to need it. Its like putting it underneath, why not? hehehe
because some day you will get stuck and will need it to get you out of the
rocks!
Just my thoughts. this topic is getting loooooooooong, hope not to bother
anyone, if so, ask Keith Auble how to use the DELETE functions ;)
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YO.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Roxie@t...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Hi-Lift
> Regarding the disadvantage of the lift becoming the front bumper and if
you run into someone, damaging the lift?!?
>
> How much is that lift? $60? (That's what they are in Seattle) - imagine
the difference in damage you do with this angled piece of steel on the
front. I'd be more worried about damaging your Jeep or the other person's
car!!
>
> Anyway - a few thoughts on mounting Hi-Lift Jacks:
>
> 1 - Disadvantage of having it on the front bumper? Do you go out and
check that your bumper is screwed on tightly each day? You'll have to now.
Even a little bit of driving can losen these bolts used with mounting kits.
Last thing you want is this huge chunk of metal flying at your front
winshield after you hit a bump.
>
> 2 - If you leave your leave your high lift jack on all the time...rust.
(Thought this was funny to throw this in. It's something we have to worry
about out here, but not there...unless you're in flagstaff ;)
>
> 3 - Instructions that come with the high lift mounting thingy say to mount
your jack on there handle down. DO NOT DO THIS!! All it takes is something
taking off that lovely velcro strap (or whatever you used to hold the handle
to the jack) and that handle falls. And guess what? At 35 miles per
hour...that is one horrible thing to happen. Shears the handle right
off...and if you're front mounted, it sends it under your vehicle to gouge
out parts and pieces.
>
> Anyway - my 2 cents of the day (#1 from watching it happen, #2 from
observations of locals, #3 from personal experience. :)
>
> -Stacy-Michelle
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> >I'm not sure what the "good" and "bad" mounts are so I can't comment on
> >the trade-offs there. Mounting the jack on the front bumper means you'll
> >mount it either on the front of the bumper or on top of the bumper. How
> >well these work depends on the type of vehicle you have. For a YJ,
here's
> >my take on the trade-offs of these two options:
> >
> >front of bumper
> >
> > - Advantage: Easy to mount.
> > - Disadvantage: The jack becomes the bumper. If you run into
something
> > there's a chance you'll damage the jack.
> > - Disadvantage: Reduced arrival angle. If you need to climb a steep
ledge
> > or you have to drop into and climb out of a hole, the
jack
> > may scrape and possibly damage the jack and/or the
mounts.
> >
> >top of bumper
> >
> > - Advantage: Easy to mount.
> > - Advantage: Jack does not become the bumper.
> > - Advantage: No reduction in arrival angle.
> > - Disadvantage: Little clearance between base of jack and fender. It
will
> > be real easy to smack the jack pushing it back into
the
> > fender. This could be addressed by removing the base
of
> > the jack and carrying that inside the vehicle.
> >
> >-Roger
> >
> >Blair Bendler wrote:
> >>
> >> Everyone that doesn't have a hi-lift must have decided to get one this
past
> >> week. I called Desert Rat, Offroad Unlim., and Fly-N-Hi and they were
either
> >> out of the jack or the mount. At OU I found the jack and a mount, but
the
> >> guy told me that the "good" mounts wouldn't be in for a week or two. He
> >> wouldn't go into why it wasn't a good mount, just that he doesn't
recommend
> >> it. So... my questions are... anyone know the difference between the
two
> >> mounting systems? Also... he said he doesn't recommend installing them
on
> >> the front bumper, which is where I'd like mine. Doesn't seem like it'd
> >> interfere with clearance or anything. I'm kind of impatient... what is
my
> >> best course of action? Wait for the so-called "good" mounting system,
or go
> >> out and buy the "crappy" one?
> >>
> >> -B
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
12831 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 11:07am
Subject: Ken Duncans YJ in Members Rigs
Ken,
Tom Q. has posted the pictures that I sent of your jeep on AZVJC Members
Rigs. I have to say the picture of your Jeep on my tow strap looks really
good !! For those of you that do not know Ken, just keep a strap or a winch
handy or maybe a few extra parts and you'll met him sooner or later!
Ken, don't thank me, that's what buddies are for!
Chris
12832 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 3:52pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
Roxie@t... wrote:
>
> Regarding the disadvantage of the lift becoming the front bumper and if you
> run into someone, damaging the lift?!?
>
> How much is that lift? $60? (That's what they are in Seattle) - imagine the
> difference in damage you do with this angled piece of steel on the front.
> I'd be more worried about damaging your Jeep or the other person's car!!
Well, I wasn't thinking about on-road accidents. On the trails I run, it's
not uncommon to hit a front bumper on a rock ledge. I wouldn't want my HiLift
out front there taking the beating. Especially when I can replace my front
bumper for half the price of a HiLift.
-Roger
12833 From: Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:14pm
Subject: Who makes the best suspension lift?
Who makes the most complete, best quality suspension lift for Jeeps.
Jeff
12834 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 0:09pm
Subject: Re: Who makes the best suspension lift?
If youve got a TJ my money is on the Rubicon Express. And not just because
that is what I have, a buddy of mine has the Tera-Flex and we have done a
number of different test between the 2 and the Rubicon comes out on top.
Sharky
12835 From: <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:10pm
Subject: Re: Hi-Lift
True....even on the trail..no WAY I could replace my front bumper for less than the lift...
Although I am thinking in the more general sense of a daily driver trail baby..
-SM
--------------------------------------------------------
Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
>Roxie@t... wrote:
>>
>> Regarding the disadvantage of the lift becoming the front bumper and if you
>> run into someone, damaging the lift?!?
>>
>> How much is that lift? $60? (That's what they are in Seattle) - imagine the
>> difference in damage you do with this angled piece of steel on the front.
>> I'd be more worried about damaging your Jeep or the other person's car!!
>
>Well, I wasn't thinking about on-road accidents. On the trails I run, it's
>not uncommon to hit a front bumper on a rock ledge. I wouldn't want my HiLift
>out front there taking the beating. Especially when I can replace my front
>bumper for half the price of a HiLift.
>
>-Roger
>
12836 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:11pm
Subject: Re: Who makes the best suspension lift?
No one, what's best to you is the worst to me. (LOL)
Its a Jeep thing and I don't understand
Sinan
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...> wrote:
> Who makes the most complete, best quality suspension lift for Jeeps.
>
> Jeff
12837 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 20, 2000 4:16pm
Subject: RE: Hi-Lift
I was recently storing the long section of the hi-lift in the factory front
bumper tube in my TJ.
It has been relocated to the top of the rear bumper. I noticed one day that
I was in a situation where I might need to use the jack and I did not have
adequate clearance to either side of the front bumper to I could pull it
out. Lot of good that does!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 15:52
>To: roxie@t...
>Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Hi-Lift
>
>
>Roxie@t... wrote:
>>
>> Regarding the disadvantage of the lift becoming the front bumper
>and if you
>> run into someone, damaging the lift?!?
>>
>> How much is that lift? $60? (That's what they are in Seattle) -
>imagine the
>> difference in damage you do with this angled piece of steel on the front.
>> I'd be more worried about damaging your Jeep or the other person's car!!
>
>Well, I wasn't thinking about on-road accidents. On the trails I run, it's
>not uncommon to hit a front bumper on a rock ledge. I wouldn't
>want my HiLift
>out front there taking the beating. Especially when I can replace my front
>bumper for half the price of a HiLift.
>
>-Roger
>
>
>
>