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12713 From: Williams, Rob <rob@r...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 3:02pm
Subject: RE: K&N filters
Oh yeah and if nothing else, the K&N will pay for itself in the end with the
1,000,000 mile warrenty. It cost about as much as 5 normal filters. Since
you wash it and reuse it, it turns out to be more price efficient than the
other filters.
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12714 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 3:35pm
Subject: Re: Chiva Falls
Hi Jason,
I will be leading in through Three Feathers and out through Italian Trap, (much more fun if we run both obstacles).
Meeting spot will be the Abco at Tanque Verde and Catalina Highway @ 8:00 AM, usual time for this run is about 7 to 8 hours including lunch break and relaxation time at Chiva Falls. I heard that the gate coming out of Italian Trap might be locked, (I've heard that for years though and it hasn't been true yet), if it is we will have to turn around, run the Trap again and come out through Three Feathers, darn ;-).
At the drivers meeting that morning we can decide if we want to go the opposite direction and enter through the Trap and exit through Three Feathers instead, I'm up for either direction.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@earthlink.net
12715 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 3:38pm
Subject: Re: K&N filters
I like them because they come pre-oiled and you don't have to think about it
again for about 50,000 miles. I noticed an improvement in the performance of
my 4 banger but have never had it tested so I can only go by my "seat of the
pants" test. :-)
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12716 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:01pm
Subject: Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
Ok, Just had a not so great experience, maybe I am just making too much of
it, but you guys tell me if I am wrong. (At this time I am going to
withhold the shop name so we don't have anyone playing favorites)
I have had a wobble in the front end for almost a month, very slight wobble.
It was getting worse and did not seem to be consistant as to when it
happened(Speeding up, slowing down, mph etc... did not seem to be the same
each time it happened). Enter a new steering stabalizer. Now much of the
problem is gon, no wobble, wait when I hit 40-45 mph on the speedometer holy
cow I think it is going to fall apart. At any other speed it is ok, but in
that range there is no control. So I am told an alignment is what is
needed.
I take it to an off road shop. I am told no it needs a trac bar. Now I am
looking at $120 for parts and labor. Ok, I can not drive it in its current
condition(unless I avoid those speeds). I did make an appointment, they
swapped it out and had me back on the road in about 1 hour(time they said
they would), I am thinking outstanding. Get less than a mile down the road
and holy S**t, the wobble is there in spades. Take it right back. Some
Hmmmmm, then me and a tech go for a test spin. He feels it. Says he thinks
it is a problem with the tires. Go back and they rotate them. We go for a
second spin and it appears that the problem is solved(both test drives I am
in the passenger seat). There is still a slight vibration(wobble) and I
told that the tires are worn pretty bad and a balancing would be adviseable.
Which I have no problem doing.
I just feel a little taken by the local shop that they may have been able to
solve the original problem by test driving it instead of just turning the
steering wheel(guy under the front checking) and doing a little more
thought. Now I am going to have to pay for a balancing and maybe still an
alignment after paying for a Trac bar I really did not need. I am going to
call the shop and see what can be worked out, but I feel a little, make that
alot P.O.'d that I could have gotten it fixed for about half the price.
You guys tell me what you think, should I be P.O.'d or am I just whining?
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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12717 From: Jewkes, Kris <kjewkes@f...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:02pm
Subject: RE: Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
I'm always PO'd when a shop does work and charges me for it when it didn't
need to be done. Did you try replacing the track-bar to see if it really
didn't need to be replaced?
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris R. [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 5:01 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
Ok, Just had a not so great experience, maybe I am just making too much of
it, but you guys tell me if I am wrong. (At this time I am going to
withhold the shop name so we don't have anyone playing favorites)
I have had a wobble in the front end for almost a month, very slight wobble.
It was getting worse and did not seem to be consistant as to when it
happened(Speeding up, slowing down, mph etc... did not seem to be the same
each time it happened). Enter a new steering stabalizer. Now much of the
problem is gon, no wobble, wait when I hit 40-45 mph on the speedometer holy
cow I think it is going to fall apart. At any other speed it is ok, but in
that range there is no control. So I am told an alignment is what is
needed.
I take it to an off road shop. I am told no it needs a trac bar. Now I am
looking at $120 for parts and labor. Ok, I can not drive it in its current
condition(unless I avoid those speeds). I did make an appointment, they
swapped it out and had me back on the road in about 1 hour(time they said
they would), I am thinking outstanding. Get less than a mile down the road
and holy S**t, the wobble is there in spades. Take it right back. Some
Hmmmmm, then me and a tech go for a test spin. He feels it. Says he thinks
it is a problem with the tires. Go back and they rotate them. We go for a
second spin and it appears that the problem is solved(both test drives I am
in the passenger seat). There is still a slight vibration(wobble) and I
told that the tires are worn pretty bad and a balancing would be adviseable.
Which I have no problem doing.
I just feel a little taken by the local shop that they may have been able to
solve the original problem by test driving it instead of just turning the
steering wheel(guy under the front checking) and doing a little more
thought. Now I am going to have to pay for a balancing and maybe still an
alignment after paying for a Trac bar I really did not need. I am going to
call the shop and see what can be worked out, but I feel a little, make that
alot P.O.'d that I could have gotten it fixed for about half the price.
You guys tell me what you think, should I be P.O.'d or am I just whining?
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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12718 From: Mike Fogarty <madman_yj@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:18pm
Subject: RE: K&N filters
I put the large concil #RU3610 on my 4.0L YJ & ZJ...
Made a large difference in off the line
acceleration...
Not for sure bout the gas mileage in the YJ (foot
always in it) but in the ZJ along with a Poweraid
Throttle Body spacer I'm averaging 18.5mpg... Not to
bad I was only getting between 16.7 to 17.5 before...
Mad Man
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1993 YJ "Madness" 4.0 H.O. 5 speed Jeep Rating 223
7"+ Lift RE 4.5" Extreme Duty Lift 3" Body 35" Goodyears
4.11's with Detroit E-Z Locker, Confer Truss/Skid combo
Rancho RS9000's, custom exhaust, K&N Conical Filter setup
Herculined tub, High Lift, Optima Yellow Top, CB, Cell Phone
Nerf Bars, Full Safety Equipment, No Track or Sway Bars Xenon Flares
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12719 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:24pm
Subject: RE: K&N filters
Hal,
Do you mean that you service the air filter once every 50K miles? Mine gets
pretty dirty in just a few thousand.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Hal Loy [mailto:tucsonhal@e...]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 3:39 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club; biglowt@a...
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] K&N filters
I like them because they come pre-oiled and you don't have to think about it
again for about 50,000 miles. I noticed an improvement in the performance of
my 4 banger but have never had it tested so I can only go by my "seat of the
pants" test. :-)
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12720 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:30pm
Subject: RE: Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
I would certainly have a talk with them. It sounds like they were guessing
at the problem, just like most of us would have been doing. The difference
is that we won't charge you $120 for the guess. By the way, just what was
supposedly wrong with your old track bar?
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris R. [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 4:01 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
Ok, Just had a not so great experience, maybe I am just making too much of
it, but you guys tell me if I am wrong. (At this time I am going to
withhold the shop name so we don't have anyone playing favorites)
I have had a wobble in the front end for almost a month, very slight wobble.
It was getting worse and did not seem to be consistant as to when it
happened(Speeding up, slowing down, mph etc... did not seem to be the same
each time it happened). Enter a new steering stabalizer. Now much of the
problem is gon, no wobble, wait when I hit 40-45 mph on the speedometer holy
cow I think it is going to fall apart. At any other speed it is ok, but in
that range there is no control. So I am told an alignment is what is
needed.
I take it to an off road shop. I am told no it needs a trac bar. Now I am
looking at $120 for parts and labor. Ok, I can not drive it in its current
condition(unless I avoid those speeds). I did make an appointment, they
swapped it out and had me back on the road in about 1 hour(time they said
they would), I am thinking outstanding. Get less than a mile down the road
and holy S**t, the wobble is there in spades. Take it right back. Some
Hmmmmm, then me and a tech go for a test spin. He feels it. Says he thinks
it is a problem with the tires. Go back and they rotate them. We go for a
second spin and it appears that the problem is solved(both test drives I am
in the passenger seat). There is still a slight vibration(wobble) and I
told that the tires are worn pretty bad and a balancing would be adviseable.
Which I have no problem doing.
I just feel a little taken by the local shop that they may have been able to
solve the original problem by test driving it instead of just turning the
steering wheel(guy under the front checking) and doing a little more
thought. Now I am going to have to pay for a balancing and maybe still an
alignment after paying for a Trac bar I really did not need. I am going to
call the shop and see what can be worked out, but I feel a little, make that
alot P.O.'d that I could have gotten it fixed for about half the price.
You guys tell me what you think, should I be P.O.'d or am I just whining?
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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12721 From: <allenjakob@u...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:31pm
Subject: Photos of Sedona Plane Ride
Greetings!
Allen JAkob has an album of photos for you to
see using the FREE PhotoPoint photo sharing service.
Here is a message describing the photos:
Hey all,
This isn't totally Jeep related, but my wife and I went on a plane ride to Sedona for her birthday, and after breakfast, flew over to payson then down the Mazatals and buzzed around over trail 47, 201 and 201A. I took a ton of photos (93). I separated them into 5 albums, so make sure you check out the other ones also. I don't have the GPS coordinates, but if you see something interesting that you can't figure out, drop me a line and i'll try to describe them better.
Enjoy!!
Allen Jakob
97TJ Sahara
Simply click on the link below to go directly to their photo album
area on the PhotoPoint web site, where you can see all the photos
that they have prepared for you.
Photo Album:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=996021&a=8800285
AOL Users:
Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the links
are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser.
<A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=996021&a=8800285">Click Here</A>
If you would like to know how to share your own photos using the
free PhotoPoint service, click on this link: http://www.photopoint.com/
-PhotoPoint Automated Attendant
12722 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:37pm
Subject: Re: K&N filters
I service mine with every Oil Change, Because the material is Less
dense and the oil is what traps the dirt to increase filtration, If
not cleaned regularly oil can break down and your pistons are getting
Air that is not as filtered and from what i was told by a Mechanic
can actually cause you problems in the long run.
Larry 87' wrangler
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, biglowt@a... wrote:
> Anyone put these in their Jeeps and notice an improvement? Not
only in power
> but in fuel economy? My air filter is due to be replaced, so I am
thinking
> of getting a kandn. Tom
12723 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:54pm
Subject: Fw: Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
My '89 Cherokee ate track bars every time I went out and did some serious
wheeling. The upper ball joint is a piece of $%^#. I had Fly'n Hi put on a
new joint similar to that of a spring shackle, rotation limited to one
direction vice 360 with the ball joint. The lower track bar mount would also
hog out the hole through which it was mounted. This was beefed up with
additional metal. As you go with bigger tires, and stress the vehicle more
by serious wheeling, this problem is more likely to occur.
Also, every several thousand miles, I would get the death wobble at 50-55
mph.....a tire/wheel balance fixed the problem every time.
This is a very common problem with JEEPs...keep the tires balanced...the
bigger, the more frequent balancing is required.
Another tip...do the cheap fixes (balance/rotation) first. If the track bar
was bad, you could have seen the slop by looking at the joint while someone
else wiggled the steering wheel back and forth....and of course...ask the
list for advice...someone (at least one) out there has experienced the same
problem.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT
'79 Cherokee WT
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 18, 2000 4:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
>Ok, Just had a not so great experience, maybe I am just making too much of
>it, but you guys tell me if I am wrong. (At this time I am going to
>withhold the shop name so we don't have anyone playing favorites)
>
>I have had a wobble in the front end for almost a month, very slight
wobble.
>It was getting worse and did not seem to be consistant as to when it
>happened(Speeding up, slowing down, mph etc... did not seem to be the same
>each time it happened). Enter a new steering stabalizer. Now much of the
>problem is gon, no wobble, wait when I hit 40-45 mph on the speedometer
holy
>cow I think it is going to fall apart. At any other speed it is ok, but in
>that range there is no control. So I am told an alignment is what is
>needed.
>
>I take it to an off road shop. I am told no it needs a trac bar. Now I am
>looking at $120 for parts and labor. Ok, I can not drive it in its current
>condition(unless I avoid those speeds). I did make an appointment, they
>swapped it out and had me back on the road in about 1 hour(time they said
>they would), I am thinking outstanding. Get less than a mile down the road
>and holy S**t, the wobble is there in spades. Take it right back. Some
>Hmmmmm, then me and a tech go for a test spin. He feels it. Says he thinks
>it is a problem with the tires. Go back and they rotate them. We go for a
>second spin and it appears that the problem is solved(both test drives I am
>in the passenger seat). There is still a slight vibration(wobble) and I
>told that the tires are worn pretty bad and a balancing would be
adviseable.
>Which I have no problem doing.
>
>I just feel a little taken by the local shop that they may have been able
to
>solve the original problem by test driving it instead of just turning the
>steering wheel(guy under the front checking) and doing a little more
>thought. Now I am going to have to pay for a balancing and maybe still an
>alignment after paying for a Trac bar I really did not need. I am going to
>call the shop and see what can be worked out, but I feel a little, make
that
>alot P.O.'d that I could have gotten it fixed for about half the price.
>
>You guys tell me what you think, should I be P.O.'d or am I just whining?
>
>
>Chris
>http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
>My1stJeep@e...
>'97 TJ
>----------------------------------------------------
>"He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
>fool forever."
>
>
>
>
>
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12724 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:47pm
Subject: Re: K&N filters
Yeah, when I got it the dealer told me it comes pre-oiled and it only needs
to be cleaned every 50k miles, it's been in for about 30k now and is doing
great.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12725 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: K&N filters
K&N are actually different than regular paper filters in that they
filter better when dirty; however, they don't flow as well. They will
take a lot of dirt before they have a problem.
grafik_lar@y... wrote:
>
> I service mine with every Oil Change, Because the material is Less
> dense and the oil is what traps the dirt to increase filtration, If
> not cleaned regularly oil can break down and your pistons are getting
> Air that is not as filtered and from what i was told by a Mechanic
> can actually cause you problems in the long run.
> Larry 87' wrangler
>
> --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, biglowt@a... wrote:
> > Anyone put these in their Jeeps and notice an improvement? Not
> only in power
> > but in fuel economy? My air filter is due to be replaced, so I am
> thinking
> > of getting a kandn. Tom
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12726 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 1:06pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 302
Full Traction makes a kit that puts the rods on the top of the knuckles. the
rods are also about an inch in diameter. I beleive they call it the K-Link
system. They sell the entir kit for around $489.00. Looks as bullet proof as
you could get.
John Butler
12727 From: Eric Herring <herring@u...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 6:04pm
Subject: RE: tie rod question
I just got some solid steel stock cut it to length & shoved it inside the stock one. It seems to be much stronger (& heavier) now.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@mindspring.com]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 6:36 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] tie rod question
I bent my tie rod on Log Corral. Doews anyone have suggestions for a stronger replacement? This one isn't bent bad but I think a stronger one would be a good idea and I could strap this one on somewhere as a spare.
Jon
------------------------------------------
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(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@mindspring.com
12728 From: <lwt002@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 2:34pm
Subject: Re: Canyon De Chelly
From what I have heard it is not hard as far as rock crawling... There is a
danger of quick sand. The canyon is on Indian land therefore a person or
group needs a guide or an authorized person to take with them. From what I
have heard and seen in pics, the scenery in unbeatable.
There is a "Jeep Jamboree" that runs through there each fall I beleive...
.It's like $250.00 a head just to go and I dont beleive you get anything but
a spot in line for that.
Check this out..... <A HREF="http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/cdc.htm">http://jee
pjamboreeusa.com/cdc.htm</A> This tells you all about it.
Good luck
Larry
12729 From: keith - alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 11:43am
Subject: RE: tie rod question
I thought I cornered the market on custom high clearance tie rods I still have one available for sale :)
www.alloffroad.com - editor
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Loveless [SMTP:jonloveless@m...]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 6:36 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] tie rod question
I bent my tie rod on Log Corral. Doews anyone have suggestions for a
stronger replacement? This one isn't bent bad but I think a stronger one
would be a good idea and I could strap this one on somewhere as a spare.
Jon
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@m...
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12730 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
Here some things to check:
Worn and/or bent tie rods and rod ends, caster angle (alignment) , track bar, ball joints, and wheel balance.
Usually the steering stablilizer will help mask the above problems until they are much worse. If all of the above items are correct the need for a steering stabilizer is minimal.
Scott
George Andrews wrote:
My '89 Cherokee ate track bars every time I went out and did some serious
wheeling. The upper ball joint is a piece of $%^#. I had Fly'n Hi put on a
new joint similar to that of a spring shackle, rotation limited to one
direction vice 360 with the ball joint. The lower track bar mount would also
hog out the hole through which it was mounted. This was beefed up with
additional metal. As you go with bigger tires, and stress the vehicle more
by serious wheeling, this problem is more likely to occur.
Also, every several thousand miles, I would get the death wobble at 50-55
mph.....a tire/wheel balance fixed the problem every time.
This is a very common problem with JEEPs...keep the tires balanced...the
bigger, the more frequent balancing is required.
Another tip...do the cheap fixes (balance/rotation) first. If the track bar
was bad, you could have seen the slop by looking at the joint while someone
else wiggled the steering wheel back and forth....and of course...ask the
list for advice...someone (at least one) out there has experienced the same
problem.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT
'79 Cherokee WT
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris R.
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Date: Monday, September 18, 2000 4:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
>Ok, Just had a not so great experience, maybe I am just making too much of
>it, but you guys tell me if I am wrong. (At this time I am going to
>withhold the shop name so we don't have anyone playing favorites)
>
>I have had a wobble in the front end for almost a month, very slight
wobble.
>It was getting worse and did not seem to be consistant as to when it
>happened(Speeding up, slowing down, mph etc... did not seem to be the same
>each time it happened). Enter a new steering stabalizer. Now much of the
>problem is gon, no wobble, wait when I hit 40-45 mph on the speedometer
holy
>cow I think it is going to fall apart. At any other speed it is ok, but in
>that range there is no control. So I am told an alignment is what is
>needed.
>
>I take it to an off road shop. I am told no it needs a trac bar. Now I am
>looking at $120 for parts and labor. Ok, I can not drive it in its current
>condition(unless I avoid those speeds). I did make an appointment, they
>swapped it out and had me back on the road in about 1 hour(time they said
>they would), I am thinking outstanding. Get less than a mile down the road
>and holy S**t, the wobble is there in spades. Take it right back. Some
>Hmmmmm, then me and a tech go for a test spin. He feels it. Says he thinks
>it is a problem with the tires. Go back and they rotate them. We go for a
>second spin and it appears that the problem is solved(both test drives I am
>in the passenger seat). There is still a slight vibration(wobble) and I
>told that the tires are worn pretty bad and a balancing would be
adviseable.
>Which I have no problem doing.
>
>I just feel a little taken by the local shop that they may have been able
to
>solve the original problem by test driving it instead of just turning the
>steering wheel(guy under the front checking) and doing a little more
>thought. Now I am going to have to pay for a balancing and maybe still an
>alignment after paying for a Trac bar I really did not need. I am going to
>call the shop and see what can be worked out, but I feel a little, make
that
>alot P.O.'d that I could have gotten it fixed for about half the price.
>
>You guys tell me what you think, should I be P.O.'d or am I just whining?
>
>
>Chris
>http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
>My1stJeep@excite.com
>'97 TJ
>----------------------------------------------------
>"He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
>fool forever."
>
>
>
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12731 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Locker
That's not normal. My TJ has 4.56 gears with a rear Detroit & front Powertrax and it shifts as good as it did before. Check to see if your clutch is releasing correctly. I'd also change the tranny fluid while your at it.
Scott
JNB4PLS@aol.com wrote:
I recently had 456 gears, and a Super 35 kit which included a Detroit
Locker installed in my 2000 TJ. I was expecting the nuances of the Detroit
but I was not expecting the shifting of the manual tranny to be affected.
Prior to the installation, gear changes were very smooth, now I have to pause
between gears momentarily or they will slightly grind when shifting . Is
this normal or are their other adjustments that should be made? Any help is
appreciated.
Thanks in advance:
John Butler
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12732 From: Roxie <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 7:57pm
Subject: Seattle Gal in Phoenix...
OK, first of many - Meet the Jeep Goddess run.. ;) I'm wondering if anyone
would like to organize a little run on the 14th of October? One that I
could passenger? I just bought a plane ticket, and I have to be at a hockey
game at 7:30pm that day (go FLYERS!) - but I'm free the rest of the
day...and I'd LOVE to go wheeling somewhere in AZ - I'd be more than happy
just to co-pilot. Anyone? Anyone...
-Stacy-Michelle
www.thejeepgoddess.com
"Silly Boys, Jeeps are for Girls"
12733 From: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Locker
I am having the exact same problem. My install is about 2 weeks only 456 and powertrax. I am planning to stop buy 4 Wheelers and ask then what's up.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: New Locker
That's not normal. My TJ has 4.56 gears with a rear Detroit & front Powertrax and it shifts as good as it did before. Check to see if your clutch is releasing correctly. I'd also change the tranny fluid while your at it.
Scott
JNB4PLS@aol.com wrote:
I recently had 456 gears, and a Super 35 kit which included a Detroit
Locker installed in my 2000 TJ. I was expecting the nuances of the Detroit
but I was not expecting the shifting of the manual tranny to be affected.
Prior to the installation, gear changes were very smooth, now I have to pause
between gears momentarily or they will slightly grind when shifting . Is
this normal or are their other adjustments that should be made? Any help is
appreciated.
Thanks in advance:
John Butler
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12734 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:54pm
Subject: removed timbers on Crown King Trail on Saturday
On Saturday, I ran up to Crown King during the morning. I stayed ahead of
the heat and it made for a nice trip. Travel time was 4.5 hours, which
included doing all of the optional obstacles and 30 minutes for lunch and
trail assistance (see below).
I removed the timbers that someone had piled up on the downhill side of the
rock ledge by the OraBelle Mine (sp). I did not toss them over the side and
down into the ravine. Maybe the next person that decides to use them will
remove them when they are done.
As I came up to the rock ledge, I found a rock buggy sitting cross ways in
the trail. It and several companion vehicles had passed me earlier on the
trail.
The driver was attempting to turn around and head back for Phoenix (said he
had to go to work) when he popped the bead on a front tire. They were
getting ready to attempt to seat it with a can of Fix-a-Flat when I showed
up. I asked them if they would rather use some real air. They jumped at
the chance, so I hooked up my hose to the QA2 and gave it to them.
While they seated the bead and inflated the tire, I began tossing the
timbers off to the side of the trail. By the time I finished this, the tire
was inflated and the happy driver was on his way to Phoenix. I rolled up
the air hose, closed up the tail gate, and locked the rack in place.
With the trail clear, I slipped the TJ into 1st gear and rolled up and over
the ledge with no problem, no scrapes, and no sweat. One of the other rock
buggy riders commented that I sure made it look easy. I smiled and said I
was on my way to hook up with some friends so we could go 4 wheelin'. Her
husband said "You mean this ain't 4 wheelin'?" I replied that this trail
was used to loosen up the grease and get the gear lube warmed up for the
real trails. He smiled and knew I was pulling his chain just a bit. In
their defense, their suspension allowed them to really cruise along on that
trail while my TJ would have bounced clean off the road.
I met the same group later on in Crown King, as I was sitting by the general
store eating a great big Nestle's Crunch ice-cream bar. (I had already
finished the cold beer part of the ritual.) Several of them bought a couple
and joined me. I got an invite to their off-road outing next month. (They
probably want someone there with an air hose!)
After that, I left the store and headed south on the Senator Highway to find
the Tip Top Trail.
Little did I know what the future would hold for me, for this would be the
first time I would be wheelin' with none other than Bill "Where the hell did
the trail disappear to!" Mish.
But that is the Sunday story and I am only making my comments concerning
Saturday's adventure.
Bill and Ross and Keith will have to fill you all in on that little episode.
Bill, I stopped by Discount Tire today and collected on my road hazard
insurance on that rear tire. Got them balanced too, as I think I scraped a
couple of weights off on that hill!
Ross....where the heck are those pictures? ;^)
Later all........Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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12735 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:09pm
Subject: Re: Re: K&N filters
I noticed more improvement after I replaced the factory cat with an
aftermarket hi-flo model, a more open cat-back exhaust system, and a 4.10
gear swap. I, too, like the K&Ns because they are washable and reusable. I
clean mine up every second oil change. I would highly recommend getting
the K&N even if it costs a little more. It's kind of the first step in the
modification process!
Linda
Leonard K. Pennock wrote:
> K&N are actually different than regular paper filters in that they
> filter better when dirty; however, they don't flow as well. They will
> take a lot of dirt before they have a problem.
>
> grafik_lar@y... wrote:
> >
> > I service mine with every Oil Change, Because the material is Less
> > dense and the oil is what traps the dirt to increase filtration, If
> > not cleaned regularly oil can break down and your pistons are getting
> > Air that is not as filtered and from what i was told by a Mechanic
> > can actually cause you problems in the long run.
> > Larry 87' wrangler
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, biglowt@a... wrote:
> > > Anyone put these in their Jeeps and notice an improvement? Not
> > only in power
> > > but in fuel economy? My air filter is due to be replaced, so I am
> > thinking
> > > of getting a kandn. Tom
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12736 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:17pm
Subject: Semi Floater vs Full Floater
I think I have found a few rear Dana 60's that will fit perfectly into my
CJ7 with its new axle width.
Im not sure what is perferable though... a full floater or semi floater. Can
anyone explain the difference or provide some pros & cons?
The 60's are 8 lug pattern and I have yet to decide what to do about that.
Thanks,
Larry
12737 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:34pm
Subject: Re: removed timbers on Crown King Trail on Saturday
Cool.
Glad to hear it.
if you need help "polishing" the "beauty marks" in the Wheel, let me
know.... I have a few good Ideas! For those of you interested, I'll post a
TR later this evening.... Right now it's dinner time!
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 7:54 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] removed timbers on Crown King Trail on Saturday
> On Saturday, I ran up to Crown King during the morning. I stayed ahead of
> the heat and it made for a nice trip. Travel time was 4.5 hours, which
> included doing all of the optional obstacles and 30 minutes for lunch and
> trail assistance (see below).
>
> I removed the timbers that someone had piled up on the downhill side of
the
> rock ledge by the OraBelle Mine (sp). I did not toss them over the side
and
> down into the ravine. Maybe the next person that decides to use them will
> remove them when they are done.
>
> As I came up to the rock ledge, I found a rock buggy sitting cross ways in
> the trail. It and several companion vehicles had passed me earlier on the
> trail.
>
> The driver was attempting to turn around and head back for Phoenix (said
he
> had to go to work) when he popped the bead on a front tire. They were
> getting ready to attempt to seat it with a can of Fix-a-Flat when I showed
> up. I asked them if they would rather use some real air. They jumped at
> the chance, so I hooked up my hose to the QA2 and gave it to them.
>
> While they seated the bead and inflated the tire, I began tossing the
> timbers off to the side of the trail. By the time I finished this, the
tire
> was inflated and the happy driver was on his way to Phoenix. I rolled up
> the air hose, closed up the tail gate, and locked the rack in place.
>
> With the trail clear, I slipped the TJ into 1st gear and rolled up and
over
> the ledge with no problem, no scrapes, and no sweat. One of the other
rock
> buggy riders commented that I sure made it look easy. I smiled and said I
> was on my way to hook up with some friends so we could go 4 wheelin'. Her
> husband said "You mean this ain't 4 wheelin'?" I replied that this trail
> was used to loosen up the grease and get the gear lube warmed up for the
> real trails. He smiled and knew I was pulling his chain just a bit. In
> their defense, their suspension allowed them to really cruise along on
that
> trail while my TJ would have bounced clean off the road.
>
> I met the same group later on in Crown King, as I was sitting by the
general
> store eating a great big Nestle's Crunch ice-cream bar. (I had already
> finished the cold beer part of the ritual.) Several of them bought a
couple
> and joined me. I got an invite to their off-road outing next month.
(They
> probably want someone there with an air hose!)
>
> After that, I left the store and headed south on the Senator Highway to
find
> the Tip Top Trail.
>
> Little did I know what the future would hold for me, for this would be the
> first time I would be wheelin' with none other than Bill "Where the hell
did
> the trail disappear to!" Mish.
>
> But that is the Sunday story and I am only making my comments concerning
> Saturday's adventure.
>
> Bill and Ross and Keith will have to fill you all in on that little
episode.
> Bill, I stopped by Discount Tire today and collected on my road hazard
> insurance on that rear tire. Got them balanced too, as I think I scraped
a
> couple of weights off on that hill!
>
> Ross....where the heck are those pictures? ;^)
>
> Later all........Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>
> http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
>
>
>
>
>
12713 From: Williams, Rob <rob@r...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 3:02pm
Subject: RE: K&N filters
Oh yeah and if nothing else, the K&N will pay for itself in the end with the
1,000,000 mile warrenty. It cost about as much as 5 normal filters. Since
you wash it and reuse it, it turns out to be more price efficient than the
other filters.
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12714 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 3:35pm
Subject: Re: Chiva Falls
Hi Jason,
I will be leading in through Three Feathers and out through Italian Trap, (much more fun if we run both obstacles).
Meeting spot will be the Abco at Tanque Verde and Catalina Highway @ 8:00 AM, usual time for this run is about 7 to 8 hours including lunch break and relaxation time at Chiva Falls. I heard that the gate coming out of Italian Trap might be locked, (I've heard that for years though and it hasn't been true yet), if it is we will have to turn around, run the Trap again and come out through Three Feathers, darn ;-).
At the drivers meeting that morning we can decide if we want to go the opposite direction and enter through the Trap and exit through Three Feathers instead, I'm up for either direction.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
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12715 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 3:38pm
Subject: Re: K&N filters
I like them because they come pre-oiled and you don't have to think about it
again for about 50,000 miles. I noticed an improvement in the performance of
my 4 banger but have never had it tested so I can only go by my "seat of the
pants" test. :-)
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
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12716 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:01pm
Subject: Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
Ok, Just had a not so great experience, maybe I am just making too much of
it, but you guys tell me if I am wrong. (At this time I am going to
withhold the shop name so we don't have anyone playing favorites)
I have had a wobble in the front end for almost a month, very slight wobble.
It was getting worse and did not seem to be consistant as to when it
happened(Speeding up, slowing down, mph etc... did not seem to be the same
each time it happened). Enter a new steering stabalizer. Now much of the
problem is gon, no wobble, wait when I hit 40-45 mph on the speedometer holy
cow I think it is going to fall apart. At any other speed it is ok, but in
that range there is no control. So I am told an alignment is what is
needed.
I take it to an off road shop. I am told no it needs a trac bar. Now I am
looking at $120 for parts and labor. Ok, I can not drive it in its current
condition(unless I avoid those speeds). I did make an appointment, they
swapped it out and had me back on the road in about 1 hour(time they said
they would), I am thinking outstanding. Get less than a mile down the road
and holy S**t, the wobble is there in spades. Take it right back. Some
Hmmmmm, then me and a tech go for a test spin. He feels it. Says he thinks
it is a problem with the tires. Go back and they rotate them. We go for a
second spin and it appears that the problem is solved(both test drives I am
in the passenger seat). There is still a slight vibration(wobble) and I
told that the tires are worn pretty bad and a balancing would be adviseable.
Which I have no problem doing.
I just feel a little taken by the local shop that they may have been able to
solve the original problem by test driving it instead of just turning the
steering wheel(guy under the front checking) and doing a little more
thought. Now I am going to have to pay for a balancing and maybe still an
alignment after paying for a Trac bar I really did not need. I am going to
call the shop and see what can be worked out, but I feel a little, make that
alot P.O.'d that I could have gotten it fixed for about half the price.
You guys tell me what you think, should I be P.O.'d or am I just whining?
Chris
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12717 From: Jewkes, Kris <kjewkes@f...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:02pm
Subject: RE: Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
I'm always PO'd when a shop does work and charges me for it when it didn't
need to be done. Did you try replacing the track-bar to see if it really
didn't need to be replaced?
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris R. [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 5:01 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
Ok, Just had a not so great experience, maybe I am just making too much of
it, but you guys tell me if I am wrong. (At this time I am going to
withhold the shop name so we don't have anyone playing favorites)
I have had a wobble in the front end for almost a month, very slight wobble.
It was getting worse and did not seem to be consistant as to when it
happened(Speeding up, slowing down, mph etc... did not seem to be the same
each time it happened). Enter a new steering stabalizer. Now much of the
problem is gon, no wobble, wait when I hit 40-45 mph on the speedometer holy
cow I think it is going to fall apart. At any other speed it is ok, but in
that range there is no control. So I am told an alignment is what is
needed.
I take it to an off road shop. I am told no it needs a trac bar. Now I am
looking at $120 for parts and labor. Ok, I can not drive it in its current
condition(unless I avoid those speeds). I did make an appointment, they
swapped it out and had me back on the road in about 1 hour(time they said
they would), I am thinking outstanding. Get less than a mile down the road
and holy S**t, the wobble is there in spades. Take it right back. Some
Hmmmmm, then me and a tech go for a test spin. He feels it. Says he thinks
it is a problem with the tires. Go back and they rotate them. We go for a
second spin and it appears that the problem is solved(both test drives I am
in the passenger seat). There is still a slight vibration(wobble) and I
told that the tires are worn pretty bad and a balancing would be adviseable.
Which I have no problem doing.
I just feel a little taken by the local shop that they may have been able to
solve the original problem by test driving it instead of just turning the
steering wheel(guy under the front checking) and doing a little more
thought. Now I am going to have to pay for a balancing and maybe still an
alignment after paying for a Trac bar I really did not need. I am going to
call the shop and see what can be worked out, but I feel a little, make that
alot P.O.'d that I could have gotten it fixed for about half the price.
You guys tell me what you think, should I be P.O.'d or am I just whining?
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
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12718 From: Mike Fogarty <madman_yj@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:18pm
Subject: RE: K&N filters
I put the large concil #RU3610 on my 4.0L YJ & ZJ...
Made a large difference in off the line
acceleration...
Not for sure bout the gas mileage in the YJ (foot
always in it) but in the ZJ along with a Poweraid
Throttle Body spacer I'm averaging 18.5mpg... Not to
bad I was only getting between 16.7 to 17.5 before...
Mad Man
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1993 YJ "Madness" 4.0 H.O. 5 speed Jeep Rating 223
7"+ Lift RE 4.5" Extreme Duty Lift 3" Body 35" Goodyears
4.11's with Detroit E-Z Locker, Confer Truss/Skid combo
Rancho RS9000's, custom exhaust, K&N Conical Filter setup
Herculined tub, High Lift, Optima Yellow Top, CB, Cell Phone
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12719 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:24pm
Subject: RE: K&N filters
Hal,
Do you mean that you service the air filter once every 50K miles? Mine gets
pretty dirty in just a few thousand.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hal Loy [mailto:tucsonhal@e...]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 3:39 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club; biglowt@a...
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] K&N filters
I like them because they come pre-oiled and you don't have to think about it
again for about 50,000 miles. I noticed an improvement in the performance of
my 4 banger but have never had it tested so I can only go by my "seat of the
pants" test. :-)
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12720 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:30pm
Subject: RE: Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
I would certainly have a talk with them. It sounds like they were guessing
at the problem, just like most of us would have been doing. The difference
is that we won't charge you $120 for the guess. By the way, just what was
supposedly wrong with your old track bar?
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris R. [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 4:01 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
Ok, Just had a not so great experience, maybe I am just making too much of
it, but you guys tell me if I am wrong. (At this time I am going to
withhold the shop name so we don't have anyone playing favorites)
I have had a wobble in the front end for almost a month, very slight wobble.
It was getting worse and did not seem to be consistant as to when it
happened(Speeding up, slowing down, mph etc... did not seem to be the same
each time it happened). Enter a new steering stabalizer. Now much of the
problem is gon, no wobble, wait when I hit 40-45 mph on the speedometer holy
cow I think it is going to fall apart. At any other speed it is ok, but in
that range there is no control. So I am told an alignment is what is
needed.
I take it to an off road shop. I am told no it needs a trac bar. Now I am
looking at $120 for parts and labor. Ok, I can not drive it in its current
condition(unless I avoid those speeds). I did make an appointment, they
swapped it out and had me back on the road in about 1 hour(time they said
they would), I am thinking outstanding. Get less than a mile down the road
and holy S**t, the wobble is there in spades. Take it right back. Some
Hmmmmm, then me and a tech go for a test spin. He feels it. Says he thinks
it is a problem with the tires. Go back and they rotate them. We go for a
second spin and it appears that the problem is solved(both test drives I am
in the passenger seat). There is still a slight vibration(wobble) and I
told that the tires are worn pretty bad and a balancing would be adviseable.
Which I have no problem doing.
I just feel a little taken by the local shop that they may have been able to
solve the original problem by test driving it instead of just turning the
steering wheel(guy under the front checking) and doing a little more
thought. Now I am going to have to pay for a balancing and maybe still an
alignment after paying for a Trac bar I really did not need. I am going to
call the shop and see what can be worked out, but I feel a little, make that
alot P.O.'d that I could have gotten it fixed for about half the price.
You guys tell me what you think, should I be P.O.'d or am I just whining?
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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12721 From: <allenjakob@u...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:31pm
Subject: Photos of Sedona Plane Ride
Greetings!
Allen JAkob has an album of photos for you to
see using the FREE PhotoPoint photo sharing service.
Here is a message describing the photos:
Hey all,
This isn't totally Jeep related, but my wife and I went on a plane ride to Sedona for her birthday, and after breakfast, flew over to payson then down the Mazatals and buzzed around over trail 47, 201 and 201A. I took a ton of photos (93). I separated them into 5 albums, so make sure you check out the other ones also. I don't have the GPS coordinates, but if you see something interesting that you can't figure out, drop me a line and i'll try to describe them better.
Enjoy!!
Allen Jakob
97TJ Sahara
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12722 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:37pm
Subject: Re: K&N filters
I service mine with every Oil Change, Because the material is Less
dense and the oil is what traps the dirt to increase filtration, If
not cleaned regularly oil can break down and your pistons are getting
Air that is not as filtered and from what i was told by a Mechanic
can actually cause you problems in the long run.
Larry 87' wrangler
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, biglowt@a... wrote:
> Anyone put these in their Jeeps and notice an improvement? Not
only in power
> but in fuel economy? My air filter is due to be replaced, so I am
thinking
> of getting a kandn. Tom
12723 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:54pm
Subject: Fw: Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
My '89 Cherokee ate track bars every time I went out and did some serious
wheeling. The upper ball joint is a piece of $%^#. I had Fly'n Hi put on a
new joint similar to that of a spring shackle, rotation limited to one
direction vice 360 with the ball joint. The lower track bar mount would also
hog out the hole through which it was mounted. This was beefed up with
additional metal. As you go with bigger tires, and stress the vehicle more
by serious wheeling, this problem is more likely to occur.
Also, every several thousand miles, I would get the death wobble at 50-55
mph.....a tire/wheel balance fixed the problem every time.
This is a very common problem with JEEPs...keep the tires balanced...the
bigger, the more frequent balancing is required.
Another tip...do the cheap fixes (balance/rotation) first. If the track bar
was bad, you could have seen the slop by looking at the joint while someone
else wiggled the steering wheel back and forth....and of course...ask the
list for advice...someone (at least one) out there has experienced the same
problem.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT
'79 Cherokee WT
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 18, 2000 4:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
>Ok, Just had a not so great experience, maybe I am just making too much of
>it, but you guys tell me if I am wrong. (At this time I am going to
>withhold the shop name so we don't have anyone playing favorites)
>
>I have had a wobble in the front end for almost a month, very slight
wobble.
>It was getting worse and did not seem to be consistant as to when it
>happened(Speeding up, slowing down, mph etc... did not seem to be the same
>each time it happened). Enter a new steering stabalizer. Now much of the
>problem is gon, no wobble, wait when I hit 40-45 mph on the speedometer
holy
>cow I think it is going to fall apart. At any other speed it is ok, but in
>that range there is no control. So I am told an alignment is what is
>needed.
>
>I take it to an off road shop. I am told no it needs a trac bar. Now I am
>looking at $120 for parts and labor. Ok, I can not drive it in its current
>condition(unless I avoid those speeds). I did make an appointment, they
>swapped it out and had me back on the road in about 1 hour(time they said
>they would), I am thinking outstanding. Get less than a mile down the road
>and holy S**t, the wobble is there in spades. Take it right back. Some
>Hmmmmm, then me and a tech go for a test spin. He feels it. Says he thinks
>it is a problem with the tires. Go back and they rotate them. We go for a
>second spin and it appears that the problem is solved(both test drives I am
>in the passenger seat). There is still a slight vibration(wobble) and I
>told that the tires are worn pretty bad and a balancing would be
adviseable.
>Which I have no problem doing.
>
>I just feel a little taken by the local shop that they may have been able
to
>solve the original problem by test driving it instead of just turning the
>steering wheel(guy under the front checking) and doing a little more
>thought. Now I am going to have to pay for a balancing and maybe still an
>alignment after paying for a Trac bar I really did not need. I am going to
>call the shop and see what can be worked out, but I feel a little, make
that
>alot P.O.'d that I could have gotten it fixed for about half the price.
>
>You guys tell me what you think, should I be P.O.'d or am I just whining?
>
>
>Chris
>http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
>My1stJeep@e...
>'97 TJ
>----------------------------------------------------
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>fool forever."
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12724 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:47pm
Subject: Re: K&N filters
Yeah, when I got it the dealer told me it comes pre-oiled and it only needs
to be cleaned every 50k miles, it's been in for about 30k now and is doing
great.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12725 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: K&N filters
K&N are actually different than regular paper filters in that they
filter better when dirty; however, they don't flow as well. They will
take a lot of dirt before they have a problem.
grafik_lar@y... wrote:
>
> I service mine with every Oil Change, Because the material is Less
> dense and the oil is what traps the dirt to increase filtration, If
> not cleaned regularly oil can break down and your pistons are getting
> Air that is not as filtered and from what i was told by a Mechanic
> can actually cause you problems in the long run.
> Larry 87' wrangler
>
> --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, biglowt@a... wrote:
> > Anyone put these in their Jeeps and notice an improvement? Not
> only in power
> > but in fuel economy? My air filter is due to be replaced, so I am
> thinking
> > of getting a kandn. Tom
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12726 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 1:06pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 302
Full Traction makes a kit that puts the rods on the top of the knuckles. the
rods are also about an inch in diameter. I beleive they call it the K-Link
system. They sell the entir kit for around $489.00. Looks as bullet proof as
you could get.
John Butler
12727 From: Eric Herring <herring@u...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 6:04pm
Subject: RE: tie rod question
I just got some solid steel stock cut it to length & shoved it inside the stock one. It seems to be much stronger (& heavier) now.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@mindspring.com]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 6:36 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] tie rod question
I bent my tie rod on Log Corral. Doews anyone have suggestions for a stronger replacement? This one isn't bent bad but I think a stronger one would be a good idea and I could strap this one on somewhere as a spare.
Jon
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@mindspring.com
12728 From: <lwt002@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 2:34pm
Subject: Re: Canyon De Chelly
From what I have heard it is not hard as far as rock crawling... There is a
danger of quick sand. The canyon is on Indian land therefore a person or
group needs a guide or an authorized person to take with them. From what I
have heard and seen in pics, the scenery in unbeatable.
There is a "Jeep Jamboree" that runs through there each fall I beleive...
.It's like $250.00 a head just to go and I dont beleive you get anything but
a spot in line for that.
Check this out..... <A HREF="http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/cdc.htm">http://jee
pjamboreeusa.com/cdc.htm</A> This tells you all about it.
Good luck
Larry
12729 From: keith - alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 11:43am
Subject: RE: tie rod question
I thought I cornered the market on custom high clearance tie rods I still have one available for sale :)
www.alloffroad.com - editor
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Loveless [SMTP:jonloveless@m...]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 6:36 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] tie rod question
I bent my tie rod on Log Corral. Doews anyone have suggestions for a
stronger replacement? This one isn't bent bad but I think a stronger one
would be a good idea and I could strap this one on somewhere as a spare.
Jon
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@m...
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12730 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
Here some things to check:
Worn and/or bent tie rods and rod ends, caster angle (alignment) , track bar, ball joints, and wheel balance.
Usually the steering stablilizer will help mask the above problems until they are much worse. If all of the above items are correct the need for a steering stabilizer is minimal.
Scott
George Andrews wrote:
My '89 Cherokee ate track bars every time I went out and did some serious
wheeling. The upper ball joint is a piece of $%^#. I had Fly'n Hi put on a
new joint similar to that of a spring shackle, rotation limited to one
direction vice 360 with the ball joint. The lower track bar mount would also
hog out the hole through which it was mounted. This was beefed up with
additional metal. As you go with bigger tires, and stress the vehicle more
by serious wheeling, this problem is more likely to occur.
Also, every several thousand miles, I would get the death wobble at 50-55
mph.....a tire/wheel balance fixed the problem every time.
This is a very common problem with JEEPs...keep the tires balanced...the
bigger, the more frequent balancing is required.
Another tip...do the cheap fixes (balance/rotation) first. If the track bar
was bad, you could have seen the slop by looking at the joint while someone
else wiggled the steering wheel back and forth....and of course...ask the
list for advice...someone (at least one) out there has experienced the same
problem.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT
'79 Cherokee WT
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris R.
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Date: Monday, September 18, 2000 4:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wobbling Front End, Need Help...
>Ok, Just had a not so great experience, maybe I am just making too much of
>it, but you guys tell me if I am wrong. (At this time I am going to
>withhold the shop name so we don't have anyone playing favorites)
>
>I have had a wobble in the front end for almost a month, very slight
wobble.
>It was getting worse and did not seem to be consistant as to when it
>happened(Speeding up, slowing down, mph etc... did not seem to be the same
>each time it happened). Enter a new steering stabalizer. Now much of the
>problem is gon, no wobble, wait when I hit 40-45 mph on the speedometer
holy
>cow I think it is going to fall apart. At any other speed it is ok, but in
>that range there is no control. So I am told an alignment is what is
>needed.
>
>I take it to an off road shop. I am told no it needs a trac bar. Now I am
>looking at $120 for parts and labor. Ok, I can not drive it in its current
>condition(unless I avoid those speeds). I did make an appointment, they
>swapped it out and had me back on the road in about 1 hour(time they said
>they would), I am thinking outstanding. Get less than a mile down the road
>and holy S**t, the wobble is there in spades. Take it right back. Some
>Hmmmmm, then me and a tech go for a test spin. He feels it. Says he thinks
>it is a problem with the tires. Go back and they rotate them. We go for a
>second spin and it appears that the problem is solved(both test drives I am
>in the passenger seat). There is still a slight vibration(wobble) and I
>told that the tires are worn pretty bad and a balancing would be
adviseable.
>Which I have no problem doing.
>
>I just feel a little taken by the local shop that they may have been able
to
>solve the original problem by test driving it instead of just turning the
>steering wheel(guy under the front checking) and doing a little more
>thought. Now I am going to have to pay for a balancing and maybe still an
>alignment after paying for a Trac bar I really did not need. I am going to
>call the shop and see what can be worked out, but I feel a little, make
that
>alot P.O.'d that I could have gotten it fixed for about half the price.
>
>You guys tell me what you think, should I be P.O.'d or am I just whining?
>
>
>Chris
>http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
>My1stJeep@excite.com
>'97 TJ
>----------------------------------------------------
>"He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
>fool forever."
>
>
>
>
>
>__________________________________________________ _____
>Say Bye to Slow Internet!
>http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
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12731 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Locker
That's not normal. My TJ has 4.56 gears with a rear Detroit & front Powertrax and it shifts as good as it did before. Check to see if your clutch is releasing correctly. I'd also change the tranny fluid while your at it.
Scott
JNB4PLS@aol.com wrote:
I recently had 456 gears, and a Super 35 kit which included a Detroit
Locker installed in my 2000 TJ. I was expecting the nuances of the Detroit
but I was not expecting the shifting of the manual tranny to be affected.
Prior to the installation, gear changes were very smooth, now I have to pause
between gears momentarily or they will slightly grind when shifting . Is
this normal or are their other adjustments that should be made? Any help is
appreciated.
Thanks in advance:
John Butler
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12732 From: Roxie <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2000 7:57pm
Subject: Seattle Gal in Phoenix...
OK, first of many - Meet the Jeep Goddess run.. ;) I'm wondering if anyone
would like to organize a little run on the 14th of October? One that I
could passenger? I just bought a plane ticket, and I have to be at a hockey
game at 7:30pm that day (go FLYERS!) - but I'm free the rest of the
day...and I'd LOVE to go wheeling somewhere in AZ - I'd be more than happy
just to co-pilot. Anyone? Anyone...
-Stacy-Michelle
www.thejeepgoddess.com
"Silly Boys, Jeeps are for Girls"
12733 From: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Locker
I am having the exact same problem. My install is about 2 weeks only 456 and powertrax. I am planning to stop buy 4 Wheelers and ask then what's up.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: New Locker
That's not normal. My TJ has 4.56 gears with a rear Detroit & front Powertrax and it shifts as good as it did before. Check to see if your clutch is releasing correctly. I'd also change the tranny fluid while your at it.
Scott
JNB4PLS@aol.com wrote:
I recently had 456 gears, and a Super 35 kit which included a Detroit
Locker installed in my 2000 TJ. I was expecting the nuances of the Detroit
but I was not expecting the shifting of the manual tranny to be affected.
Prior to the installation, gear changes were very smooth, now I have to pause
between gears momentarily or they will slightly grind when shifting . Is
this normal or are their other adjustments that should be made? Any help is
appreciated.
Thanks in advance:
John Butler
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12734 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 7:54pm
Subject: removed timbers on Crown King Trail on Saturday
On Saturday, I ran up to Crown King during the morning. I stayed ahead of
the heat and it made for a nice trip. Travel time was 4.5 hours, which
included doing all of the optional obstacles and 30 minutes for lunch and
trail assistance (see below).
I removed the timbers that someone had piled up on the downhill side of the
rock ledge by the OraBelle Mine (sp). I did not toss them over the side and
down into the ravine. Maybe the next person that decides to use them will
remove them when they are done.
As I came up to the rock ledge, I found a rock buggy sitting cross ways in
the trail. It and several companion vehicles had passed me earlier on the
trail.
The driver was attempting to turn around and head back for Phoenix (said he
had to go to work) when he popped the bead on a front tire. They were
getting ready to attempt to seat it with a can of Fix-a-Flat when I showed
up. I asked them if they would rather use some real air. They jumped at
the chance, so I hooked up my hose to the QA2 and gave it to them.
While they seated the bead and inflated the tire, I began tossing the
timbers off to the side of the trail. By the time I finished this, the tire
was inflated and the happy driver was on his way to Phoenix. I rolled up
the air hose, closed up the tail gate, and locked the rack in place.
With the trail clear, I slipped the TJ into 1st gear and rolled up and over
the ledge with no problem, no scrapes, and no sweat. One of the other rock
buggy riders commented that I sure made it look easy. I smiled and said I
was on my way to hook up with some friends so we could go 4 wheelin'. Her
husband said "You mean this ain't 4 wheelin'?" I replied that this trail
was used to loosen up the grease and get the gear lube warmed up for the
real trails. He smiled and knew I was pulling his chain just a bit. In
their defense, their suspension allowed them to really cruise along on that
trail while my TJ would have bounced clean off the road.
I met the same group later on in Crown King, as I was sitting by the general
store eating a great big Nestle's Crunch ice-cream bar. (I had already
finished the cold beer part of the ritual.) Several of them bought a couple
and joined me. I got an invite to their off-road outing next month. (They
probably want someone there with an air hose!)
After that, I left the store and headed south on the Senator Highway to find
the Tip Top Trail.
Little did I know what the future would hold for me, for this would be the
first time I would be wheelin' with none other than Bill "Where the hell did
the trail disappear to!" Mish.
But that is the Sunday story and I am only making my comments concerning
Saturday's adventure.
Bill and Ross and Keith will have to fill you all in on that little episode.
Bill, I stopped by Discount Tire today and collected on my road hazard
insurance on that rear tire. Got them balanced too, as I think I scraped a
couple of weights off on that hill!
Ross....where the heck are those pictures? ;^)
Later all........Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
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12735 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:09pm
Subject: Re: Re: K&N filters
I noticed more improvement after I replaced the factory cat with an
aftermarket hi-flo model, a more open cat-back exhaust system, and a 4.10
gear swap. I, too, like the K&Ns because they are washable and reusable. I
clean mine up every second oil change. I would highly recommend getting
the K&N even if it costs a little more. It's kind of the first step in the
modification process!
Linda
Leonard K. Pennock wrote:
> K&N are actually different than regular paper filters in that they
> filter better when dirty; however, they don't flow as well. They will
> take a lot of dirt before they have a problem.
>
> grafik_lar@y... wrote:
> >
> > I service mine with every Oil Change, Because the material is Less
> > dense and the oil is what traps the dirt to increase filtration, If
> > not cleaned regularly oil can break down and your pistons are getting
> > Air that is not as filtered and from what i was told by a Mechanic
> > can actually cause you problems in the long run.
> > Larry 87' wrangler
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, biglowt@a... wrote:
> > > Anyone put these in their Jeeps and notice an improvement? Not
> > only in power
> > > but in fuel economy? My air filter is due to be replaced, so I am
> > thinking
> > > of getting a kandn. Tom
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12736 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:17pm
Subject: Semi Floater vs Full Floater
I think I have found a few rear Dana 60's that will fit perfectly into my
CJ7 with its new axle width.
Im not sure what is perferable though... a full floater or semi floater. Can
anyone explain the difference or provide some pros & cons?
The 60's are 8 lug pattern and I have yet to decide what to do about that.
Thanks,
Larry
12737 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 8:34pm
Subject: Re: removed timbers on Crown King Trail on Saturday
Cool.
Glad to hear it.
if you need help "polishing" the "beauty marks" in the Wheel, let me
know.... I have a few good Ideas! For those of you interested, I'll post a
TR later this evening.... Right now it's dinner time!
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 7:54 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] removed timbers on Crown King Trail on Saturday
> On Saturday, I ran up to Crown King during the morning. I stayed ahead of
> the heat and it made for a nice trip. Travel time was 4.5 hours, which
> included doing all of the optional obstacles and 30 minutes for lunch and
> trail assistance (see below).
>
> I removed the timbers that someone had piled up on the downhill side of
the
> rock ledge by the OraBelle Mine (sp). I did not toss them over the side
and
> down into the ravine. Maybe the next person that decides to use them will
> remove them when they are done.
>
> As I came up to the rock ledge, I found a rock buggy sitting cross ways in
> the trail. It and several companion vehicles had passed me earlier on the
> trail.
>
> The driver was attempting to turn around and head back for Phoenix (said
he
> had to go to work) when he popped the bead on a front tire. They were
> getting ready to attempt to seat it with a can of Fix-a-Flat when I showed
> up. I asked them if they would rather use some real air. They jumped at
> the chance, so I hooked up my hose to the QA2 and gave it to them.
>
> While they seated the bead and inflated the tire, I began tossing the
> timbers off to the side of the trail. By the time I finished this, the
tire
> was inflated and the happy driver was on his way to Phoenix. I rolled up
> the air hose, closed up the tail gate, and locked the rack in place.
>
> With the trail clear, I slipped the TJ into 1st gear and rolled up and
over
> the ledge with no problem, no scrapes, and no sweat. One of the other
rock
> buggy riders commented that I sure made it look easy. I smiled and said I
> was on my way to hook up with some friends so we could go 4 wheelin'. Her
> husband said "You mean this ain't 4 wheelin'?" I replied that this trail
> was used to loosen up the grease and get the gear lube warmed up for the
> real trails. He smiled and knew I was pulling his chain just a bit. In
> their defense, their suspension allowed them to really cruise along on
that
> trail while my TJ would have bounced clean off the road.
>
> I met the same group later on in Crown King, as I was sitting by the
general
> store eating a great big Nestle's Crunch ice-cream bar. (I had already
> finished the cold beer part of the ritual.) Several of them bought a
couple
> and joined me. I got an invite to their off-road outing next month.
(They
> probably want someone there with an air hose!)
>
> After that, I left the store and headed south on the Senator Highway to
find
> the Tip Top Trail.
>
> Little did I know what the future would hold for me, for this would be the
> first time I would be wheelin' with none other than Bill "Where the hell
did
> the trail disappear to!" Mish.
>
> But that is the Sunday story and I am only making my comments concerning
> Saturday's adventure.
>
> Bill and Ross and Keith will have to fill you all in on that little
episode.
> Bill, I stopped by Discount Tire today and collected on my road hazard
> insurance on that rear tire. Got them balanced too, as I think I scraped
a
> couple of weights off on that hill!
>
> Ross....where the heck are those pictures? ;^)
>
> Later all........Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>
> http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
>
>
>
>
>