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12663 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 2:13am
Subject: Re: **Found** Red CJ-7
I think you're right....a CJ driver would never be in such a
predicament.....accidentally anyway..... :)
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
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something stupid to do on your own, you will be ordered to do something
stupid.
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12664 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 2:22pm
Subject: Jeep axle needed!!! Please read!
Ok here's the scoop:
Took the Jeep in for new brakes all the way around, as I have never done
brakes and I feel they are important, so I leave that job to someone else.
Bad news, axle seal leaking. Then more bad news, bearing race had been
spun previously, and the outer lip of the housing had been pinched in a few
places to keep the bearing still. Tnow it is to banged up to hold a new
bearing race. Really bad news, I need a new axle. But it is a step up, as
I will get rid of the D35. I have heard of an Explorer rear end going out
back, a Ford 9-inch, and of course the venerable D44. The Explorer rear
end would be nice as I would not need to change wheels on the back. I am
pretty sure I have 3.73 gears, (4.2, ba-10 tranny, np207 t-case, used to
have trash-lock) so throw me some ideas or leads...
HELP!
Chris
87 YJ
12665 From: Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Jeep axle needed!!! Please read!
I picked up a Dana 35 from a club member a couple of weeks ago. I paid $60 and
it is complete with the drums. I believe it was Hal but can't remember for
sure. The 1st owner told me it had 4.11's and its diffidently open. Well to
make a long story short, I am not going to be using it anytime soon so if you
want it email me back and we can make arrangements. I just need to get my $60
back out of it. If you don't want it I will be using it eventually as a spare.
Either way let me know.
Jeff
Chris wrote:
> Ok here's the scoop:
>
> Took the Jeep in for new brakes all the way around, as I have never done
> brakes and I feel they are important, so I leave that job to someone else.
> Bad news, axle seal leaking. Then more bad news, bearing race had been
> spun previously, and the outer lip of the housing had been pinched in a few
> places to keep the bearing still. Tnow it is to banged up to hold a new
> bearing race. Really bad news, I need a new axle. But it is a step up, as
> I will get rid of the D35. I have heard of an Explorer rear end going out
> back, a Ford 9-inch, and of course the venerable D44. The Explorer rear
> end would be nice as I would not need to change wheels on the back. I am
> pretty sure I have 3.73 gears, (4.2, ba-10 tranny, np207 t-case, used to
> have trash-lock) so throw me some ideas or leads...
>
> HELP!
> Chris
> 87 YJ
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12666 From: <azniceguy111@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:20pm
Subject: Fellow Jeeper needs help....please.......
I know this is not going to be jeep related but I need some help.
My A/C unit on my house died on me, after spending the afternoon
diagnosing it, I find out it needs a compressor. So I go to buy one
at the local A/C supply store, but they wont sell it to me because I
am not a contractor with a license. So if anyone knows a place that I
can buy one, or if you know a contractor that would buy one for me, I
would be forever gratefull, I have access to all the equiment to do
it, but cant buy it :-( Thanks in advance.
Mike (ever so hot and sweaty) Tibben
Roc Rat
12667 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:51pm
Subject: Re: dash lights inop
I just read about a factory TSB for the dash lights. I'll see if I can find
the info again.
By the way, nice rollover pics. Looks like the chrome front bumper came out
unharmed :)
----- Original Message -----
From: keith - alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:23 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] dash lights inop
> I was cruising around in prescott the other night when I turned on my
> headlights they cam on fine but now my dash lights are dead all except for
> the stupid shift indicator I have heard this is a common thing and was
> wondering if anybody knows what I need to fix
>
> kea
>
>
> www.alloffroad.com - editor
>
>
>
>
>
>
12668 From: Jim Badger <jbadger@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:57pm
Subject: '92 YJ FOR SALE
Hey Y'all
I've got a '92 YJ for sale up here in Prescott. It's black on white,
and under 75,000 miles. Lotsa' mods. If anyone's interested, write
to my email address for more particulars.
Thanks,
Jim
12669 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 6:09pm
Subject: Re: **Found** Red CJ-7
Damn. I must have been drunker than I thought.
Jeff Woods wrote:
>
> Anyone missing a late 70's CJ-7? I may have found it see attached file.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [Image]
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12670 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:55pm
Subject: Re: Moab Trip report
GREAT WRITE UP DOUG....
My heart is still pounding.... If Chris needs any help reparing his XJ Let
us know... Me and the XJ crew are more than willing to lend a hand...
Dave
>From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
>To: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] Moab Trip report
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:42:51 -0700
>
>WOW!!! What a funtastic time.
>
>Those who attended: TimN(TJ), ChrisR(XJ), MarcW(YJ), and DougB-me(TJ). All
>the Jeeps were well built up and ready for the trails.
>
>Trails we did: Moab Rim (4+), Poison Spider-Golden Spike-Gold Bar (4),
>Hells
>Revenge (4+).
>
>Carnage: 1 broken rear axle; 1 broken front locker (and maybe a trashed r/p
>set); 1 broken bearing hub; 1 bent front driveshaft; 1 blown control arm
>bushing; 1 rolled XJ.
>
>Pics to follow.
>
>We all arrived on Saturday - Marc and his shot gun (Leon) had arrived
>earlier, but had a problem on the way up. The single center bolt on his
>left
>rear spring pack had broken, and the springs were floating and the axle was
>shifting. They managed to crab their way to Moab, and first thing Sunday,
>Tim and I went off to try to find a parts store that might have something
>that we could make work. Fortunately, there was a store that had the bolt,
>and new u-bolts (the ones on the Jeep had been stripped, getting them off).
>
>We got the spring pack together and since it was late morning, we decided
>to
>do the relatively short but challenging Moab Rim, as a warm up. It turned
>out to be a very, very long day.
>
>Moab Rim trail rises from the Colorado Canyon very dramatically, and
>follows
>ledges and outcroppings that offer a straight look down into the canyon. No
>mistakes here, since cost of failure is very high. We worked our way over
>some tough ledges, and about a quarter of the way up, Chris (XJ w/ 6" lift
>and 33's) blew his right rear axle. Fortunately, we were able to get it to
>a
>flat spot away from the edge, and also fortunately, Chris had a spare. We
>set about changing it out, but the axle had broken/shattered in the splines
>and we ended up having to pull his locker out to remove the remnants. Once
>we got it buttoned up and going, we realized that something was seriously
>wrong w/ his front end. Apparently his Lock-Rite was toast. It probably
>broke coming over the ledge that broke his rear axle. Since we had just
>gotten over some of the hardest stuff, Chris decided to press on, but it
>soon became clear that it was hopeless, so he parked it above several
>challenging steps. He then road up to the top w/ Tim.
>
>The rest of the trip to the top was fun but comparatively uneventful. The
>views from on top offered a fantastic panorama of Moab below and the
>Colorado River behind us. We stopped for a late lunch (bout 3pm Az time).
>
>The trip down turned out to be very harrowing and very long. We worked our
>way down to the XJ, and Chris started it up and started to go down the
>ledges.
>
>At the second major ledge, his left front fell in a hole, and this right
>rear shot in the air...probably getting about 5' of air under it. It held
>steady, and Leon and I ran to the right rear corner, to try and hold it. We
>got to w/in 5 feet of it when it let go and rolled over to the left. A
>large
>boulder stopped it's roll, but the damage was done. It was partially on
>it's
>roof and on it's side. The roof was caved in on the front right corner, and
>the windshield was broken pretty badly. Very fortunately, Chris was
>unharmed.
>
>To get it turned over, I attached my winch to the XJ's rear axle, and Tim
>maneuvered his Jeep and attached his winch to the front axle. Working the
>winched together, we were able to get upright, but it was precariously
>perched on the side of a fairly substantial drop off...so I had to keep my
>winch attached to it's right rear to keep it from rolling again. Tim was
>able to move behind it, and eventually, we were able to get it off the
>ledge.
>
>By this time, it was getting late, the sun was setting, and we had to get
>off the trail (we hoped) before dark. The XJ had lost a bit of misc fluids,
>and had also lost some critical brake fluid, so we decided to winch it off
>the mountain. Tim was attached to the front of the XJ w/ a strap (to get it
>over the obstacles to come); I was attached to it's rear, via my winch, and
>Marc was attached to me as an anchor - via a strap. Since the XJ had no
>power steering, and also had limited braking ability, I had images of it
>going over the side, and taking Marc and I with it. Pucker factor supreme.
>I
>had to change my pants out after this :o)
>
>Anyway, with this arrangement, we inched our way down the very steep trail.
>About half way down it got dark...very dark. One advantage of doing this in
>the dark was that you couldn't really see anything over the edge of the
>trail, and therefore couldn't see how far straight down you'd fall if you
>slipped off. Leon proved to be a great help in spotting us carefully down
>the trail. He was running up and down the trail with a flashlight, helping
>spot everyone down. I really don't think we could have made it w/o his
>help.
>At once point, we were thinking of just parking and setting camp until
>morning, but we pressed on. We made it to the bottom sometime after 9 or
>9:30 or so. We were a sight to see pulling into town....many heads were
>turning, no doubt due to our good looks, but probably also because Chris's
>front end was making a hell of a racket, and his XJ was pretty beat up.
>
>Monday, we decided to head off for a long day of wheeling and do a
>combination of Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar. Chris left his XJ
>behind and rode shotgun w/ Tim. This trip had many challenges, but seemed
>tame compared to what we went through the day before. The combo is a strong
>class 4, and can be made harder if you opt for some optional obstacles,
>like
>Double Whammy.
>
>The scenery was fantastic and the trails provided many challenges, not the
>least of which was staying on it. Fortunately, Tim has a great GPS unit and
>had loaded detailed maps and waypoints of Moab - so we were able to find
>our
>way w/o too much difficulty. Also, the trails are fairly well marked now.
>Apparently, for the last Jeep Safari, they painted symbols on the rock to
>mark the different trails. We went off these marked trails once to find (we
>hoped) a short cut between Poison Spider and Golden Spike. We took an
>unmarked side trail, and took us over some unmarked rock, but we came out
>fine.
>
>Once we were on Gold Bar, we came upon some mountain bikers resting by a
>challenging ledge. There were several female spandex types there, and Tim
>became distracted slightly :o) and ended up bending his shaft on a ledge
>:o). A humbling experience, no doubt. We pressed on...
>
>We pulled back into town around sunset. This trail offers some amazing
>views
>and vistas...absolutely stunning scenery.
>
>Tuesday, Tim, Chris (as shotgun-spotter) and I headed off to check out
>Hell's Revenge. Marc and Leon passed on this one, and did some other sight
>seeing.
>
>Hell's Revenge is rated a 4+, and consists of very dramatic vertical climbs
>and descents. It's hard to capture in words what this trail was
>like...though "OH ****" comes to mind.
>Tires stick like glue to the sandstone...which they have to since your
>kissing the sky on many of the obstacles. Top sum it up...it was a long and
>fun day, but at the end, we were ready to call it quits. This was the
>perfect trail to pick as the last one. Our off-road jones had been well
>satisfied.
>
>Wednesday was a Jeep repair day, getting Chris's XJ ready for the attempted
>trip home, and disco-ing Tim's front driveshaft. We gingerly pulled out of
>Moab by 12n with thoughts of making it to Canyonlands for a pleasant
>camping
>overnight. Once at Canyonlands, we ended up finding a side trail that led
>to
>a great camp sight w/ dramatic views, but our plans were cut short when
>Chris's XJ suffered a bearing hub failure. So we decided to leave the XJ on
>the side trail, and we headed for home. Chris was planning to come back and
>get it Friday w/ his trailer.
>
>We ended up spending Wednesday night in Chinle, and got up early Thursday
>to
>view some of Canyon de Chelly. What a fantastic place.
>
>Well...this was one exciting and fantastic trip...except I think Chris was
>wishing he had never heard of Moab. Actually, Chris was great the whole
>time...taking it all in stride, and really enjoyed the trip.
>
>I'll be posting pics soon of this adventure.
>
>Happy Trails,
>
>Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
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12671 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 9:00pm
Subject: Alternator Pulley
Has anybody here swapped out the alternator pulley (or any pulley for that
matter). What is involved with tensioning the serpentine belt on a TJ? Are
there specs for that? Any help would really be appreciated.
Thanks,
Pete
12672 From: Michael Connor <mikec@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 9:14pm
Subject: Re: dash lights inop
Fuse?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: keith - alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
> To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:23 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] dash lights inop
>
>
> > I was cruising around in prescott the other night when I turned on my
> > headlights they cam on fine but now my dash lights are dead all except
for
> > the stupid shift indicator I have heard this is a common thing and was
> > wondering if anybody knows what I need to fix
> >
> > kea
> >
> >
> > www.alloffroad.com - editor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
12673 From: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 7:44am
Subject: MacroMotive Discount
Don't we get some kind of club discount with MacroMotive.
Rick
12674 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 8:17am
Subject: Re: Moab Trip report
Hmmmm, after hearing your horror stories, maybe I'll think twice about doing
Moab Rim again. Last year when I tried I broke my right rear axle on the
Devil's Crack. It broke right on the edge of the splines, just like Chris.
Had to take the locker out to get the axle stub out. So I returned this
year for Jeep Safari and attempted it again. The previous day my power
steering had gone out, and the correct replacement pump could not be found.
So I tackled it with no power steering. Big Mistake. Going up wasn't too
bad, but going down was hell.
We also had problems coming down at the end of the Z-turn, probably the
exact same spot that Chris rolled his Jeep. It was only me and one other
jeep. The jeep in front of me got probably 3-4 feet of air on the right
rear tire, and I thought it was going over. Luckily the tire dropped back
down. So I took my time and had someone spot me, but I did the exact same
thing. Probably 4 feet of air on the right rear tire. I panicked and stood
on the brakes, and came to a stop just teetering. You could have pushed me
over with one finger. I was *sure* I was going over. I had to change my
shorts after that one.
I've probably been doing Moab Rim for 10 years, but I never remember it
being that bad. I think that spot has become considerably more eroded/dug
out.
Thanks for the stories...
darren
83 CJ7
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
To: AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:42 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Moab Trip report
> WOW!!! What a funtastic time.
>
> Those who attended: TimN(TJ), ChrisR(XJ), MarcW(YJ), and DougB-me(TJ). All
> the Jeeps were well built up and ready for the trails.
>
> Trails we did: Moab Rim (4+), Poison Spider-Golden Spike-Gold Bar (4),
Hells
> Revenge (4+).
>
> Carnage: 1 broken rear axle; 1 broken front locker (and maybe a trashed
r/p
> set); 1 broken bearing hub; 1 bent front driveshaft; 1 blown control arm
> bushing; 1 rolled XJ.
>
> Pics to follow.
>
> We all arrived on Saturday - Marc and his shot gun (Leon) had arrived
> earlier, but had a problem on the way up. The single center bolt on his
left
> rear spring pack had broken, and the springs were floating and the axle
was
> shifting. They managed to crab their way to Moab, and first thing Sunday,
> Tim and I went off to try to find a parts store that might have something
> that we could make work. Fortunately, there was a store that had the bolt,
> and new u-bolts (the ones on the Jeep had been stripped, getting them
off).
>
> We got the spring pack together and since it was late morning, we decided
to
> do the relatively short but challenging Moab Rim, as a warm up. It turned
> out to be a very, very long day.
>
> Moab Rim trail rises from the Colorado Canyon very dramatically, and
follows
> ledges and outcroppings that offer a straight look down into the canyon.
No
> mistakes here, since cost of failure is very high. We worked our way over
> some tough ledges, and about a quarter of the way up, Chris (XJ w/ 6" lift
> and 33's) blew his right rear axle. Fortunately, we were able to get it to
a
> flat spot away from the edge, and also fortunately, Chris had a spare. We
> set about changing it out, but the axle had broken/shattered in the
splines
> and we ended up having to pull his locker out to remove the remnants. Once
> we got it buttoned up and going, we realized that something was seriously
> wrong w/ his front end. Apparently his Lock-Rite was toast. It probably
> broke coming over the ledge that broke his rear axle. Since we had just
> gotten over some of the hardest stuff, Chris decided to press on, but it
> soon became clear that it was hopeless, so he parked it above several
> challenging steps. He then road up to the top w/ Tim.
>
> The rest of the trip to the top was fun but comparatively uneventful. The
> views from on top offered a fantastic panorama of Moab below and the
> Colorado River behind us. We stopped for a late lunch (bout 3pm Az time).
>
> The trip down turned out to be very harrowing and very long. We worked our
> way down to the XJ, and Chris started it up and started to go down the
> ledges.
>
> At the second major ledge, his left front fell in a hole, and this right
> rear shot in the air...probably getting about 5' of air under it. It held
> steady, and Leon and I ran to the right rear corner, to try and hold it.
We
> got to w/in 5 feet of it when it let go and rolled over to the left. A
large
> boulder stopped it's roll, but the damage was done. It was partially on
it's
> roof and on it's side. The roof was caved in on the front right corner,
and
> the windshield was broken pretty badly. Very fortunately, Chris was
> unharmed.
>
> To get it turned over, I attached my winch to the XJ's rear axle, and Tim
> maneuvered his Jeep and attached his winch to the front axle. Working the
> winched together, we were able to get upright, but it was precariously
> perched on the side of a fairly substantial drop off...so I had to keep my
> winch attached to it's right rear to keep it from rolling again. Tim was
> able to move behind it, and eventually, we were able to get it off the
> ledge.
>
> By this time, it was getting late, the sun was setting, and we had to get
> off the trail (we hoped) before dark. The XJ had lost a bit of misc
fluids,
> and had also lost some critical brake fluid, so we decided to winch it off
> the mountain. Tim was attached to the front of the XJ w/ a strap (to get
it
> over the obstacles to come); I was attached to it's rear, via my winch,
and
> Marc was attached to me as an anchor - via a strap. Since the XJ had no
> power steering, and also had limited braking ability, I had images of it
> going over the side, and taking Marc and I with it. Pucker factor supreme.
I
> had to change my pants out after this :o)
>
> Anyway, with this arrangement, we inched our way down the very steep
trail.
> About half way down it got dark...very dark. One advantage of doing this
in
> the dark was that you couldn't really see anything over the edge of the
> trail, and therefore couldn't see how far straight down you'd fall if you
> slipped off. Leon proved to be a great help in spotting us carefully down
> the trail. He was running up and down the trail with a flashlight, helping
> spot everyone down. I really don't think we could have made it w/o his
help.
> At once point, we were thinking of just parking and setting camp until
> morning, but we pressed on. We made it to the bottom sometime after 9 or
> 9:30 or so. We were a sight to see pulling into town....many heads were
> turning, no doubt due to our good looks, but probably also because Chris's
> front end was making a hell of a racket, and his XJ was pretty beat up.
>
> Monday, we decided to head off for a long day of wheeling and do a
> combination of Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar. Chris left his
XJ
> behind and rode shotgun w/ Tim. This trip had many challenges, but seemed
> tame compared to what we went through the day before. The combo is a
strong
> class 4, and can be made harder if you opt for some optional obstacles,
like
> Double Whammy.
>
> The scenery was fantastic and the trails provided many challenges, not the
> least of which was staying on it. Fortunately, Tim has a great GPS unit
and
> had loaded detailed maps and waypoints of Moab - so we were able to find
our
> way w/o too much difficulty. Also, the trails are fairly well marked now.
> Apparently, for the last Jeep Safari, they painted symbols on the rock to
> mark the different trails. We went off these marked trails once to find
(we
> hoped) a short cut between Poison Spider and Golden Spike. We took an
> unmarked side trail, and took us over some unmarked rock, but we came out
> fine.
>
> Once we were on Gold Bar, we came upon some mountain bikers resting by a
> challenging ledge. There were several female spandex types there, and Tim
> became distracted slightly :o) and ended up bending his shaft on a ledge
> :o). A humbling experience, no doubt. We pressed on...
>
> We pulled back into town around sunset. This trail offers some amazing
views
> and vistas...absolutely stunning scenery.
>
> Tuesday, Tim, Chris (as shotgun-spotter) and I headed off to check out
> Hell's Revenge. Marc and Leon passed on this one, and did some other sight
> seeing.
>
> Hell's Revenge is rated a 4+, and consists of very dramatic vertical
climbs
> and descents. It's hard to capture in words what this trail was
> like...though "OH ****" comes to mind.
> Tires stick like glue to the sandstone...which they have to since your
> kissing the sky on many of the obstacles. Top sum it up...it was a long
and
> fun day, but at the end, we were ready to call it quits. This was the
> perfect trail to pick as the last one. Our off-road jones had been well
> satisfied.
>
> Wednesday was a Jeep repair day, getting Chris's XJ ready for the
attempted
> trip home, and disco-ing Tim's front driveshaft. We gingerly pulled out of
> Moab by 12n with thoughts of making it to Canyonlands for a pleasant
camping
> overnight. Once at Canyonlands, we ended up finding a side trail that led
to
> a great camp sight w/ dramatic views, but our plans were cut short when
> Chris's XJ suffered a bearing hub failure. So we decided to leave the XJ
on
> the side trail, and we headed for home. Chris was planning to come back
and
> get it Friday w/ his trailer.
>
> We ended up spending Wednesday night in Chinle, and got up early Thursday
to
> view some of Canyon de Chelly. What a fantastic place.
>
> Well...this was one exciting and fantastic trip...except I think Chris was
> wishing he had never heard of Moab. Actually, Chris was great the whole
> time...taking it all in stride, and really enjoyed the trip.
>
> I'll be posting pics soon of this adventure.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
12675 From: Jason D <atc1man@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 8:52am
Subject: D.C.
Going to be UA for a couple days, and I will be setting all mailing
lists I participate in to "web only". If something requires my
attention, please email it to me directly.
atc1man@y...
thanks folks,
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12676 From: Eric Herring <herring@u...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:34pm
Subject: RE: dash lights inop
Check the taillight fuse, they usually are fused together.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: keith - alloffroad.com [mailto:crusari@p...]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:23 AM
To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] dash lights inop
I was cruising around in prescott the other night when I turned on my
headlights they cam on fine but now my dash lights are dead all except for
the stupid shift indicator I have heard this is a common thing and was
wondering if anybody knows what I need to fix
kea
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12677 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 10:16am
Subject: Ring and Pinion
Who should I contact for a ring and pinion swap? I was quoted 650 at
Desert Rat, 600 at Fly-n-Hi, is this what I can expect to pay? Or are
better deals a-lurking?
Chris
87 YJ
12678 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 0:38pm
Subject: Re: Ring and Pinion
Best around is 4 Wheeler Supply, on E. Washington. Prices are good, and they
know there stuff. They do r/p work every day, not just occasionally.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <cmandrick@v...>
To: "Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (E-mail)" <AZ_VJC@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:16 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Ring and Pinion
>
> Who should I contact for a ring and pinion swap? I was quoted 650 at
> Desert Rat, 600 at Fly-n-Hi, is this what I can expect to pay? Or are
> better deals a-lurking?
>
> Chris
> 87 YJ
>
>
>
12679 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 0:46pm
Subject: TJ, XJ and ZJ owners - info of benefit
For TJ, XJ, and ZJ owners with aftermarket upper front control arms...don't
throw away your stock upper front control arms. They contain the very same
bushings that are pressed into your axle brackets. These stock axle side
bushings are retained w/ all aftermarket stock arms, and are pressed into
the axle truss and bracket for the upper arms. They will go bad and will
need to be replaced at some point. While new bushings cost only about $22
each, you can reuse the bushings in your upper front arms (frame side
bushings) if they're in good shape.
I just found that out, and since I replaced my stock upper arms quite a
while ago, they have very little mileage on them, so I removed the bushings
from them, and will be installing them on my axle brackets (I blew one of
them this past weekend).
Thought I'd pass it on.
Doug
12680 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 9:26am
Subject: Fwd: Ring and Pinion
From: Flatfenderman@a...
Full-name: Flatfenderman
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:23:03 EDT
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ring and Pinion
To: cmandrick@v...
CC: twister@c...
Jim Allen owner/builder of the "twister" dose ring and pinions for around
$100 an axle if you take them out. He will charge a little more for labor if
you take him the whole vehicle. He just put 4.56 gears in a set of CJ7 axles
for me. He had them done when promised with no surprise's or hidden cost. He
is an ASA certified mechanic. You can reach him at twister@cybertrails.com or
visit his web site at www.canyonstatecomponents.com
12681 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 1:38pm
Subject: RE: Ring and Pinion
Desert Fab will do it for $350. That's front and rear. I'm having mine
done on the 23rd of this month. He is a couple weeks out for appointments,
I made mine a week and a hlf ago.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@v...]
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:16 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Ring and Pinion
Who should I contact for a ring and pinion swap? I was quoted 650 at
Desert Rat, 600 at Fly-n-Hi, is this what I can expect to pay? Or are
better deals a-lurking?
Chris
87 YJ
12682 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 3:44pm
Subject: Re: TJ, XJ and ZJ owners - info of benefit
Just remember that the bushings need to be pressed in and out, not hammered.
Sounds like you're having a fun weekend too!
Linda
DougB wrote:
> For TJ, XJ, and ZJ owners with aftermarket upper front control arms...don't
> throw away your stock upper front control arms. They contain the very same
> bushings that are pressed into your axle brackets. These stock axle side
> bushings are retained w/ all aftermarket stock arms, and are pressed into
> the axle truss and bracket for the upper arms. They will go bad and will
> need to be replaced at some point. While new bushings cost only about $22
> each, you can reuse the bushings in your upper front arms (frame side
> bushings) if they're in good shape.
>
> I just found that out, and since I replaced my stock upper arms quite a
> while ago, they have very little mileage on them, so I removed the bushings
> from them, and will be installing them on my axle brackets (I blew one of
> them this past weekend).
>
> Thought I'd pass it on.
>
> Doug
12683 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 3:46pm
Subject: Desert Rat
Was just down on Broadway and Alma School. There's a Desert Rat sign in
the window of the old Dick Cepek store.
Linda
12684 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 4:14pm
Subject: Re: TJ, XJ and ZJ owners - info of benefit
Yea...I know. Getting them out of the arms gave me a bit of practice. The
manual shows a fairly simple tool that the service departments use for it,
so I think I can use my ball joint press to get them out. We'll see.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "LindaL" <minihummer@w...>
To: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
Cc: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ, XJ and ZJ owners - info of benefit
> Just remember that the bushings need to be pressed in and out, not
hammered.
>
> Sounds like you're having a fun weekend too!
>
> Linda
>
> DougB wrote:
>
> > For TJ, XJ, and ZJ owners with aftermarket upper front control
arms...don't
> > throw away your stock upper front control arms. They contain the very
same
> > bushings that are pressed into your axle brackets. These stock axle side
> > bushings are retained w/ all aftermarket stock arms, and are pressed
into
> > the axle truss and bracket for the upper arms. They will go bad and will
> > need to be replaced at some point. While new bushings cost only about
$22
> > each, you can reuse the bushings in your upper front arms (frame side
> > bushings) if they're in good shape.
> >
> > I just found that out, and since I replaced my stock upper arms quite a
> > while ago, they have very little mileage on them, so I removed the
bushings
> > from them, and will be installing them on my axle brackets (I blew one
of
> > them this past weekend).
> >
> > Thought I'd pass it on.
> >
> > Doug
>
>
>
12685 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 5:38pm
Subject: Re: Jeep axle needed!!! Please read!
Look around at www.jeepwire.com for a good writeup on swapping a Ford 8.8 from an Explorer.
Scott
Jeff Woods wrote:
I picked up a Dana 35 from a club member a couple of weeks ago. I paid $60 and
it is complete with the drums. I believe it was Hal but can't remember for
sure. The 1st owner told me it had 4.11's and its diffidently open. Well to
make a long story short, I am not going to be using it anytime soon so if you
want it email me back and we can make arrangements. I just need to get my $60
back out of it. If you don't want it I will be using it eventually as a spare.
Either way let me know.
Jeff
Chris wrote:
> Ok here's the scoop:
>
> Took the Jeep in for new brakes all the way around, as I have never done
> brakes and I feel they are important, so I leave that job to someone else.
> Bad news, axle seal leaking. Then more bad news, bearing race had been
> spun previously, and the outer lip of the housing had been pinched in a few
> places to keep the bearing still. Tnow it is to banged up to hold a new
> bearing race. Really bad news, I need a new axle. But it is a step up, as
> I will get rid of the D35. I have heard of an Explorer rear end going out
> back, a Ford 9-inch, and of course the venerable D44. The Explorer rear
> end would be nice as I would not need to change wheels on the back. I am
> pretty sure I have 3.73 gears, (4.2, ba-10 tranny, np207 t-case, used to
> have trash-lock) so throw me some ideas or leads...
>
> HELP!
> Chris
> 87 YJ
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12686 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 5:40pm
Subject: Re: TJ, XJ and ZJ owners - info of benefit
I used the old arms to replace my rear upper bushings 6 months back. It takes a BIG press to do it.
Scott
DougB wrote:
For TJ, XJ, and ZJ owners with aftermarket upper front control arms...don't
throw away your stock upper front control arms. They contain the very same
bushings that are pressed into your axle brackets. These stock axle side
bushings are retained w/ all aftermarket stock arms, and are pressed into
the axle truss and bracket for the upper arms. They will go bad and will
need to be replaced at some point. While new bushings cost only about $22
each, you can reuse the bushings in your upper front arms (frame side
bushings) if they're in good shape.
I just found that out, and since I replaced my stock upper arms quite a
while ago, they have very little mileage on them, so I removed the bushings
from them, and will be installing them on my axle brackets (I blew one of
them this past weekend).
Thought I'd pass it on.
Doug
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12687 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 5:57pm
Subject: York Install is Complete
I just finished the York install in my 99TJ Sport. It was extremely simple
and an absolutely incredible system. I don't even have a tank yet and I can
air up two tires simultaneously from 4psi - 22psi in about 45 seconds at
engine idle. Once I get a tank I'll be able to run higher RPM's to maintain
tank pressure for air tools but right now it fills the system in about 1/2 a
second. It is also extremely quiet. You don't even hear it operating over
the engine with the hood open! My Quick Air II was noisy but this is a very
sweet setup. I found that AutoSafety House sells 3 gallon tanks 7"x24"
rated at 150psi for $57.00 so I am getting one of those but they said it
would take about 2 weeks to come in. I have my manifold set up to cut out
at 125psi and in at 100psi and a safety pop valve set to 150psi. The tank
is the lowest rated item in my system (150psi) but has a 10psi safety factor
built in. My entire system can only handle 160psi MAX for all the
components I have so that tank is perfect. The sun performance tank was 2.5
gallons and was more expensive than the tank from AutoSafety House. I also
didn't need the 5 NPT openings since all the components are handled through
my manifold, the tank will simple be run to from a 'T' fitting on my
manifold. No more running to the gas station after runs now for faster air
service. :)
Pete
12663 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 2:13am
Subject: Re: **Found** Red CJ-7
I think you're right....a CJ driver would never be in such a
predicament.....accidentally anyway..... :)
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
You will do something stupid everyday of your life. If you cannot find
something stupid to do on your own, you will be ordered to do something
stupid.
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12664 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 2:22pm
Subject: Jeep axle needed!!! Please read!
Ok here's the scoop:
Took the Jeep in for new brakes all the way around, as I have never done
brakes and I feel they are important, so I leave that job to someone else.
Bad news, axle seal leaking. Then more bad news, bearing race had been
spun previously, and the outer lip of the housing had been pinched in a few
places to keep the bearing still. Tnow it is to banged up to hold a new
bearing race. Really bad news, I need a new axle. But it is a step up, as
I will get rid of the D35. I have heard of an Explorer rear end going out
back, a Ford 9-inch, and of course the venerable D44. The Explorer rear
end would be nice as I would not need to change wheels on the back. I am
pretty sure I have 3.73 gears, (4.2, ba-10 tranny, np207 t-case, used to
have trash-lock) so throw me some ideas or leads...
HELP!
Chris
87 YJ
12665 From: Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Jeep axle needed!!! Please read!
I picked up a Dana 35 from a club member a couple of weeks ago. I paid $60 and
it is complete with the drums. I believe it was Hal but can't remember for
sure. The 1st owner told me it had 4.11's and its diffidently open. Well to
make a long story short, I am not going to be using it anytime soon so if you
want it email me back and we can make arrangements. I just need to get my $60
back out of it. If you don't want it I will be using it eventually as a spare.
Either way let me know.
Jeff
Chris wrote:
> Ok here's the scoop:
>
> Took the Jeep in for new brakes all the way around, as I have never done
> brakes and I feel they are important, so I leave that job to someone else.
> Bad news, axle seal leaking. Then more bad news, bearing race had been
> spun previously, and the outer lip of the housing had been pinched in a few
> places to keep the bearing still. Tnow it is to banged up to hold a new
> bearing race. Really bad news, I need a new axle. But it is a step up, as
> I will get rid of the D35. I have heard of an Explorer rear end going out
> back, a Ford 9-inch, and of course the venerable D44. The Explorer rear
> end would be nice as I would not need to change wheels on the back. I am
> pretty sure I have 3.73 gears, (4.2, ba-10 tranny, np207 t-case, used to
> have trash-lock) so throw me some ideas or leads...
>
> HELP!
> Chris
> 87 YJ
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12666 From: <azniceguy111@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:20pm
Subject: Fellow Jeeper needs help....please.......
I know this is not going to be jeep related but I need some help.
My A/C unit on my house died on me, after spending the afternoon
diagnosing it, I find out it needs a compressor. So I go to buy one
at the local A/C supply store, but they wont sell it to me because I
am not a contractor with a license. So if anyone knows a place that I
can buy one, or if you know a contractor that would buy one for me, I
would be forever gratefull, I have access to all the equiment to do
it, but cant buy it :-( Thanks in advance.
Mike (ever so hot and sweaty) Tibben
Roc Rat
12667 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:51pm
Subject: Re: dash lights inop
I just read about a factory TSB for the dash lights. I'll see if I can find
the info again.
By the way, nice rollover pics. Looks like the chrome front bumper came out
unharmed :)
----- Original Message -----
From: keith - alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:23 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] dash lights inop
> I was cruising around in prescott the other night when I turned on my
> headlights they cam on fine but now my dash lights are dead all except for
> the stupid shift indicator I have heard this is a common thing and was
> wondering if anybody knows what I need to fix
>
> kea
>
>
> www.alloffroad.com - editor
>
>
>
>
>
>
12668 From: Jim Badger <jbadger@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:57pm
Subject: '92 YJ FOR SALE
Hey Y'all
I've got a '92 YJ for sale up here in Prescott. It's black on white,
and under 75,000 miles. Lotsa' mods. If anyone's interested, write
to my email address for more particulars.
Thanks,
Jim
12669 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 6:09pm
Subject: Re: **Found** Red CJ-7
Damn. I must have been drunker than I thought.
Jeff Woods wrote:
>
> Anyone missing a late 70's CJ-7? I may have found it see attached file.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [Image]
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find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12670 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:55pm
Subject: Re: Moab Trip report
GREAT WRITE UP DOUG....
My heart is still pounding.... If Chris needs any help reparing his XJ Let
us know... Me and the XJ crew are more than willing to lend a hand...
Dave
>From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
>To: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] Moab Trip report
>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:42:51 -0700
>
>WOW!!! What a funtastic time.
>
>Those who attended: TimN(TJ), ChrisR(XJ), MarcW(YJ), and DougB-me(TJ). All
>the Jeeps were well built up and ready for the trails.
>
>Trails we did: Moab Rim (4+), Poison Spider-Golden Spike-Gold Bar (4),
>Hells
>Revenge (4+).
>
>Carnage: 1 broken rear axle; 1 broken front locker (and maybe a trashed r/p
>set); 1 broken bearing hub; 1 bent front driveshaft; 1 blown control arm
>bushing; 1 rolled XJ.
>
>Pics to follow.
>
>We all arrived on Saturday - Marc and his shot gun (Leon) had arrived
>earlier, but had a problem on the way up. The single center bolt on his
>left
>rear spring pack had broken, and the springs were floating and the axle was
>shifting. They managed to crab their way to Moab, and first thing Sunday,
>Tim and I went off to try to find a parts store that might have something
>that we could make work. Fortunately, there was a store that had the bolt,
>and new u-bolts (the ones on the Jeep had been stripped, getting them off).
>
>We got the spring pack together and since it was late morning, we decided
>to
>do the relatively short but challenging Moab Rim, as a warm up. It turned
>out to be a very, very long day.
>
>Moab Rim trail rises from the Colorado Canyon very dramatically, and
>follows
>ledges and outcroppings that offer a straight look down into the canyon. No
>mistakes here, since cost of failure is very high. We worked our way over
>some tough ledges, and about a quarter of the way up, Chris (XJ w/ 6" lift
>and 33's) blew his right rear axle. Fortunately, we were able to get it to
>a
>flat spot away from the edge, and also fortunately, Chris had a spare. We
>set about changing it out, but the axle had broken/shattered in the splines
>and we ended up having to pull his locker out to remove the remnants. Once
>we got it buttoned up and going, we realized that something was seriously
>wrong w/ his front end. Apparently his Lock-Rite was toast. It probably
>broke coming over the ledge that broke his rear axle. Since we had just
>gotten over some of the hardest stuff, Chris decided to press on, but it
>soon became clear that it was hopeless, so he parked it above several
>challenging steps. He then road up to the top w/ Tim.
>
>The rest of the trip to the top was fun but comparatively uneventful. The
>views from on top offered a fantastic panorama of Moab below and the
>Colorado River behind us. We stopped for a late lunch (bout 3pm Az time).
>
>The trip down turned out to be very harrowing and very long. We worked our
>way down to the XJ, and Chris started it up and started to go down the
>ledges.
>
>At the second major ledge, his left front fell in a hole, and this right
>rear shot in the air...probably getting about 5' of air under it. It held
>steady, and Leon and I ran to the right rear corner, to try and hold it. We
>got to w/in 5 feet of it when it let go and rolled over to the left. A
>large
>boulder stopped it's roll, but the damage was done. It was partially on
>it's
>roof and on it's side. The roof was caved in on the front right corner, and
>the windshield was broken pretty badly. Very fortunately, Chris was
>unharmed.
>
>To get it turned over, I attached my winch to the XJ's rear axle, and Tim
>maneuvered his Jeep and attached his winch to the front axle. Working the
>winched together, we were able to get upright, but it was precariously
>perched on the side of a fairly substantial drop off...so I had to keep my
>winch attached to it's right rear to keep it from rolling again. Tim was
>able to move behind it, and eventually, we were able to get it off the
>ledge.
>
>By this time, it was getting late, the sun was setting, and we had to get
>off the trail (we hoped) before dark. The XJ had lost a bit of misc fluids,
>and had also lost some critical brake fluid, so we decided to winch it off
>the mountain. Tim was attached to the front of the XJ w/ a strap (to get it
>over the obstacles to come); I was attached to it's rear, via my winch, and
>Marc was attached to me as an anchor - via a strap. Since the XJ had no
>power steering, and also had limited braking ability, I had images of it
>going over the side, and taking Marc and I with it. Pucker factor supreme.
>I
>had to change my pants out after this :o)
>
>Anyway, with this arrangement, we inched our way down the very steep trail.
>About half way down it got dark...very dark. One advantage of doing this in
>the dark was that you couldn't really see anything over the edge of the
>trail, and therefore couldn't see how far straight down you'd fall if you
>slipped off. Leon proved to be a great help in spotting us carefully down
>the trail. He was running up and down the trail with a flashlight, helping
>spot everyone down. I really don't think we could have made it w/o his
>help.
>At once point, we were thinking of just parking and setting camp until
>morning, but we pressed on. We made it to the bottom sometime after 9 or
>9:30 or so. We were a sight to see pulling into town....many heads were
>turning, no doubt due to our good looks, but probably also because Chris's
>front end was making a hell of a racket, and his XJ was pretty beat up.
>
>Monday, we decided to head off for a long day of wheeling and do a
>combination of Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar. Chris left his XJ
>behind and rode shotgun w/ Tim. This trip had many challenges, but seemed
>tame compared to what we went through the day before. The combo is a strong
>class 4, and can be made harder if you opt for some optional obstacles,
>like
>Double Whammy.
>
>The scenery was fantastic and the trails provided many challenges, not the
>least of which was staying on it. Fortunately, Tim has a great GPS unit and
>had loaded detailed maps and waypoints of Moab - so we were able to find
>our
>way w/o too much difficulty. Also, the trails are fairly well marked now.
>Apparently, for the last Jeep Safari, they painted symbols on the rock to
>mark the different trails. We went off these marked trails once to find (we
>hoped) a short cut between Poison Spider and Golden Spike. We took an
>unmarked side trail, and took us over some unmarked rock, but we came out
>fine.
>
>Once we were on Gold Bar, we came upon some mountain bikers resting by a
>challenging ledge. There were several female spandex types there, and Tim
>became distracted slightly :o) and ended up bending his shaft on a ledge
>:o). A humbling experience, no doubt. We pressed on...
>
>We pulled back into town around sunset. This trail offers some amazing
>views
>and vistas...absolutely stunning scenery.
>
>Tuesday, Tim, Chris (as shotgun-spotter) and I headed off to check out
>Hell's Revenge. Marc and Leon passed on this one, and did some other sight
>seeing.
>
>Hell's Revenge is rated a 4+, and consists of very dramatic vertical climbs
>and descents. It's hard to capture in words what this trail was
>like...though "OH ****" comes to mind.
>Tires stick like glue to the sandstone...which they have to since your
>kissing the sky on many of the obstacles. Top sum it up...it was a long and
>fun day, but at the end, we were ready to call it quits. This was the
>perfect trail to pick as the last one. Our off-road jones had been well
>satisfied.
>
>Wednesday was a Jeep repair day, getting Chris's XJ ready for the attempted
>trip home, and disco-ing Tim's front driveshaft. We gingerly pulled out of
>Moab by 12n with thoughts of making it to Canyonlands for a pleasant
>camping
>overnight. Once at Canyonlands, we ended up finding a side trail that led
>to
>a great camp sight w/ dramatic views, but our plans were cut short when
>Chris's XJ suffered a bearing hub failure. So we decided to leave the XJ on
>the side trail, and we headed for home. Chris was planning to come back and
>get it Friday w/ his trailer.
>
>We ended up spending Wednesday night in Chinle, and got up early Thursday
>to
>view some of Canyon de Chelly. What a fantastic place.
>
>Well...this was one exciting and fantastic trip...except I think Chris was
>wishing he had never heard of Moab. Actually, Chris was great the whole
>time...taking it all in stride, and really enjoyed the trip.
>
>I'll be posting pics soon of this adventure.
>
>Happy Trails,
>
>Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
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12671 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 9:00pm
Subject: Alternator Pulley
Has anybody here swapped out the alternator pulley (or any pulley for that
matter). What is involved with tensioning the serpentine belt on a TJ? Are
there specs for that? Any help would really be appreciated.
Thanks,
Pete
12672 From: Michael Connor <mikec@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 9:14pm
Subject: Re: dash lights inop
Fuse?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: keith - alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
> To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:23 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] dash lights inop
>
>
> > I was cruising around in prescott the other night when I turned on my
> > headlights they cam on fine but now my dash lights are dead all except
for
> > the stupid shift indicator I have heard this is a common thing and was
> > wondering if anybody knows what I need to fix
> >
> > kea
> >
> >
> > www.alloffroad.com - editor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
12673 From: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 7:44am
Subject: MacroMotive Discount
Don't we get some kind of club discount with MacroMotive.
Rick
12674 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 8:17am
Subject: Re: Moab Trip report
Hmmmm, after hearing your horror stories, maybe I'll think twice about doing
Moab Rim again. Last year when I tried I broke my right rear axle on the
Devil's Crack. It broke right on the edge of the splines, just like Chris.
Had to take the locker out to get the axle stub out. So I returned this
year for Jeep Safari and attempted it again. The previous day my power
steering had gone out, and the correct replacement pump could not be found.
So I tackled it with no power steering. Big Mistake. Going up wasn't too
bad, but going down was hell.
We also had problems coming down at the end of the Z-turn, probably the
exact same spot that Chris rolled his Jeep. It was only me and one other
jeep. The jeep in front of me got probably 3-4 feet of air on the right
rear tire, and I thought it was going over. Luckily the tire dropped back
down. So I took my time and had someone spot me, but I did the exact same
thing. Probably 4 feet of air on the right rear tire. I panicked and stood
on the brakes, and came to a stop just teetering. You could have pushed me
over with one finger. I was *sure* I was going over. I had to change my
shorts after that one.
I've probably been doing Moab Rim for 10 years, but I never remember it
being that bad. I think that spot has become considerably more eroded/dug
out.
Thanks for the stories...
darren
83 CJ7
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
To: AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:42 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Moab Trip report
> WOW!!! What a funtastic time.
>
> Those who attended: TimN(TJ), ChrisR(XJ), MarcW(YJ), and DougB-me(TJ). All
> the Jeeps were well built up and ready for the trails.
>
> Trails we did: Moab Rim (4+), Poison Spider-Golden Spike-Gold Bar (4),
Hells
> Revenge (4+).
>
> Carnage: 1 broken rear axle; 1 broken front locker (and maybe a trashed
r/p
> set); 1 broken bearing hub; 1 bent front driveshaft; 1 blown control arm
> bushing; 1 rolled XJ.
>
> Pics to follow.
>
> We all arrived on Saturday - Marc and his shot gun (Leon) had arrived
> earlier, but had a problem on the way up. The single center bolt on his
left
> rear spring pack had broken, and the springs were floating and the axle
was
> shifting. They managed to crab their way to Moab, and first thing Sunday,
> Tim and I went off to try to find a parts store that might have something
> that we could make work. Fortunately, there was a store that had the bolt,
> and new u-bolts (the ones on the Jeep had been stripped, getting them
off).
>
> We got the spring pack together and since it was late morning, we decided
to
> do the relatively short but challenging Moab Rim, as a warm up. It turned
> out to be a very, very long day.
>
> Moab Rim trail rises from the Colorado Canyon very dramatically, and
follows
> ledges and outcroppings that offer a straight look down into the canyon.
No
> mistakes here, since cost of failure is very high. We worked our way over
> some tough ledges, and about a quarter of the way up, Chris (XJ w/ 6" lift
> and 33's) blew his right rear axle. Fortunately, we were able to get it to
a
> flat spot away from the edge, and also fortunately, Chris had a spare. We
> set about changing it out, but the axle had broken/shattered in the
splines
> and we ended up having to pull his locker out to remove the remnants. Once
> we got it buttoned up and going, we realized that something was seriously
> wrong w/ his front end. Apparently his Lock-Rite was toast. It probably
> broke coming over the ledge that broke his rear axle. Since we had just
> gotten over some of the hardest stuff, Chris decided to press on, but it
> soon became clear that it was hopeless, so he parked it above several
> challenging steps. He then road up to the top w/ Tim.
>
> The rest of the trip to the top was fun but comparatively uneventful. The
> views from on top offered a fantastic panorama of Moab below and the
> Colorado River behind us. We stopped for a late lunch (bout 3pm Az time).
>
> The trip down turned out to be very harrowing and very long. We worked our
> way down to the XJ, and Chris started it up and started to go down the
> ledges.
>
> At the second major ledge, his left front fell in a hole, and this right
> rear shot in the air...probably getting about 5' of air under it. It held
> steady, and Leon and I ran to the right rear corner, to try and hold it.
We
> got to w/in 5 feet of it when it let go and rolled over to the left. A
large
> boulder stopped it's roll, but the damage was done. It was partially on
it's
> roof and on it's side. The roof was caved in on the front right corner,
and
> the windshield was broken pretty badly. Very fortunately, Chris was
> unharmed.
>
> To get it turned over, I attached my winch to the XJ's rear axle, and Tim
> maneuvered his Jeep and attached his winch to the front axle. Working the
> winched together, we were able to get upright, but it was precariously
> perched on the side of a fairly substantial drop off...so I had to keep my
> winch attached to it's right rear to keep it from rolling again. Tim was
> able to move behind it, and eventually, we were able to get it off the
> ledge.
>
> By this time, it was getting late, the sun was setting, and we had to get
> off the trail (we hoped) before dark. The XJ had lost a bit of misc
fluids,
> and had also lost some critical brake fluid, so we decided to winch it off
> the mountain. Tim was attached to the front of the XJ w/ a strap (to get
it
> over the obstacles to come); I was attached to it's rear, via my winch,
and
> Marc was attached to me as an anchor - via a strap. Since the XJ had no
> power steering, and also had limited braking ability, I had images of it
> going over the side, and taking Marc and I with it. Pucker factor supreme.
I
> had to change my pants out after this :o)
>
> Anyway, with this arrangement, we inched our way down the very steep
trail.
> About half way down it got dark...very dark. One advantage of doing this
in
> the dark was that you couldn't really see anything over the edge of the
> trail, and therefore couldn't see how far straight down you'd fall if you
> slipped off. Leon proved to be a great help in spotting us carefully down
> the trail. He was running up and down the trail with a flashlight, helping
> spot everyone down. I really don't think we could have made it w/o his
help.
> At once point, we were thinking of just parking and setting camp until
> morning, but we pressed on. We made it to the bottom sometime after 9 or
> 9:30 or so. We were a sight to see pulling into town....many heads were
> turning, no doubt due to our good looks, but probably also because Chris's
> front end was making a hell of a racket, and his XJ was pretty beat up.
>
> Monday, we decided to head off for a long day of wheeling and do a
> combination of Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar. Chris left his
XJ
> behind and rode shotgun w/ Tim. This trip had many challenges, but seemed
> tame compared to what we went through the day before. The combo is a
strong
> class 4, and can be made harder if you opt for some optional obstacles,
like
> Double Whammy.
>
> The scenery was fantastic and the trails provided many challenges, not the
> least of which was staying on it. Fortunately, Tim has a great GPS unit
and
> had loaded detailed maps and waypoints of Moab - so we were able to find
our
> way w/o too much difficulty. Also, the trails are fairly well marked now.
> Apparently, for the last Jeep Safari, they painted symbols on the rock to
> mark the different trails. We went off these marked trails once to find
(we
> hoped) a short cut between Poison Spider and Golden Spike. We took an
> unmarked side trail, and took us over some unmarked rock, but we came out
> fine.
>
> Once we were on Gold Bar, we came upon some mountain bikers resting by a
> challenging ledge. There were several female spandex types there, and Tim
> became distracted slightly :o) and ended up bending his shaft on a ledge
> :o). A humbling experience, no doubt. We pressed on...
>
> We pulled back into town around sunset. This trail offers some amazing
views
> and vistas...absolutely stunning scenery.
>
> Tuesday, Tim, Chris (as shotgun-spotter) and I headed off to check out
> Hell's Revenge. Marc and Leon passed on this one, and did some other sight
> seeing.
>
> Hell's Revenge is rated a 4+, and consists of very dramatic vertical
climbs
> and descents. It's hard to capture in words what this trail was
> like...though "OH ****" comes to mind.
> Tires stick like glue to the sandstone...which they have to since your
> kissing the sky on many of the obstacles. Top sum it up...it was a long
and
> fun day, but at the end, we were ready to call it quits. This was the
> perfect trail to pick as the last one. Our off-road jones had been well
> satisfied.
>
> Wednesday was a Jeep repair day, getting Chris's XJ ready for the
attempted
> trip home, and disco-ing Tim's front driveshaft. We gingerly pulled out of
> Moab by 12n with thoughts of making it to Canyonlands for a pleasant
camping
> overnight. Once at Canyonlands, we ended up finding a side trail that led
to
> a great camp sight w/ dramatic views, but our plans were cut short when
> Chris's XJ suffered a bearing hub failure. So we decided to leave the XJ
on
> the side trail, and we headed for home. Chris was planning to come back
and
> get it Friday w/ his trailer.
>
> We ended up spending Wednesday night in Chinle, and got up early Thursday
to
> view some of Canyon de Chelly. What a fantastic place.
>
> Well...this was one exciting and fantastic trip...except I think Chris was
> wishing he had never heard of Moab. Actually, Chris was great the whole
> time...taking it all in stride, and really enjoyed the trip.
>
> I'll be posting pics soon of this adventure.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
12675 From: Jason D <atc1man@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 8:52am
Subject: D.C.
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attention, please email it to me directly.
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12676 From: Eric Herring <herring@u...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:34pm
Subject: RE: dash lights inop
Check the taillight fuse, they usually are fused together.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: keith - alloffroad.com [mailto:crusari@p...]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:23 AM
To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] dash lights inop
I was cruising around in prescott the other night when I turned on my
headlights they cam on fine but now my dash lights are dead all except for
the stupid shift indicator I have heard this is a common thing and was
wondering if anybody knows what I need to fix
kea
www.alloffroad.com - editor
12677 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 10:16am
Subject: Ring and Pinion
Who should I contact for a ring and pinion swap? I was quoted 650 at
Desert Rat, 600 at Fly-n-Hi, is this what I can expect to pay? Or are
better deals a-lurking?
Chris
87 YJ
12678 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 0:38pm
Subject: Re: Ring and Pinion
Best around is 4 Wheeler Supply, on E. Washington. Prices are good, and they
know there stuff. They do r/p work every day, not just occasionally.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <cmandrick@v...>
To: "Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (E-mail)" <AZ_VJC@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:16 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Ring and Pinion
>
> Who should I contact for a ring and pinion swap? I was quoted 650 at
> Desert Rat, 600 at Fly-n-Hi, is this what I can expect to pay? Or are
> better deals a-lurking?
>
> Chris
> 87 YJ
>
>
>
12679 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 0:46pm
Subject: TJ, XJ and ZJ owners - info of benefit
For TJ, XJ, and ZJ owners with aftermarket upper front control arms...don't
throw away your stock upper front control arms. They contain the very same
bushings that are pressed into your axle brackets. These stock axle side
bushings are retained w/ all aftermarket stock arms, and are pressed into
the axle truss and bracket for the upper arms. They will go bad and will
need to be replaced at some point. While new bushings cost only about $22
each, you can reuse the bushings in your upper front arms (frame side
bushings) if they're in good shape.
I just found that out, and since I replaced my stock upper arms quite a
while ago, they have very little mileage on them, so I removed the bushings
from them, and will be installing them on my axle brackets (I blew one of
them this past weekend).
Thought I'd pass it on.
Doug
12680 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 9:26am
Subject: Fwd: Ring and Pinion
From: Flatfenderman@a...
Full-name: Flatfenderman
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:23:03 EDT
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ring and Pinion
To: cmandrick@v...
CC: twister@c...
Jim Allen owner/builder of the "twister" dose ring and pinions for around
$100 an axle if you take them out. He will charge a little more for labor if
you take him the whole vehicle. He just put 4.56 gears in a set of CJ7 axles
for me. He had them done when promised with no surprise's or hidden cost. He
is an ASA certified mechanic. You can reach him at twister@cybertrails.com or
visit his web site at www.canyonstatecomponents.com
12681 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 1:38pm
Subject: RE: Ring and Pinion
Desert Fab will do it for $350. That's front and rear. I'm having mine
done on the 23rd of this month. He is a couple weeks out for appointments,
I made mine a week and a hlf ago.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@v...]
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:16 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Ring and Pinion
Who should I contact for a ring and pinion swap? I was quoted 650 at
Desert Rat, 600 at Fly-n-Hi, is this what I can expect to pay? Or are
better deals a-lurking?
Chris
87 YJ
12682 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 3:44pm
Subject: Re: TJ, XJ and ZJ owners - info of benefit
Just remember that the bushings need to be pressed in and out, not hammered.
Sounds like you're having a fun weekend too!
Linda
DougB wrote:
> For TJ, XJ, and ZJ owners with aftermarket upper front control arms...don't
> throw away your stock upper front control arms. They contain the very same
> bushings that are pressed into your axle brackets. These stock axle side
> bushings are retained w/ all aftermarket stock arms, and are pressed into
> the axle truss and bracket for the upper arms. They will go bad and will
> need to be replaced at some point. While new bushings cost only about $22
> each, you can reuse the bushings in your upper front arms (frame side
> bushings) if they're in good shape.
>
> I just found that out, and since I replaced my stock upper arms quite a
> while ago, they have very little mileage on them, so I removed the bushings
> from them, and will be installing them on my axle brackets (I blew one of
> them this past weekend).
>
> Thought I'd pass it on.
>
> Doug
12683 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 3:46pm
Subject: Desert Rat
Was just down on Broadway and Alma School. There's a Desert Rat sign in
the window of the old Dick Cepek store.
Linda
12684 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 4:14pm
Subject: Re: TJ, XJ and ZJ owners - info of benefit
Yea...I know. Getting them out of the arms gave me a bit of practice. The
manual shows a fairly simple tool that the service departments use for it,
so I think I can use my ball joint press to get them out. We'll see.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "LindaL" <minihummer@w...>
To: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
Cc: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ, XJ and ZJ owners - info of benefit
> Just remember that the bushings need to be pressed in and out, not
hammered.
>
> Sounds like you're having a fun weekend too!
>
> Linda
>
> DougB wrote:
>
> > For TJ, XJ, and ZJ owners with aftermarket upper front control
arms...don't
> > throw away your stock upper front control arms. They contain the very
same
> > bushings that are pressed into your axle brackets. These stock axle side
> > bushings are retained w/ all aftermarket stock arms, and are pressed
into
> > the axle truss and bracket for the upper arms. They will go bad and will
> > need to be replaced at some point. While new bushings cost only about
$22
> > each, you can reuse the bushings in your upper front arms (frame side
> > bushings) if they're in good shape.
> >
> > I just found that out, and since I replaced my stock upper arms quite a
> > while ago, they have very little mileage on them, so I removed the
bushings
> > from them, and will be installing them on my axle brackets (I blew one
of
> > them this past weekend).
> >
> > Thought I'd pass it on.
> >
> > Doug
>
>
>
12685 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 5:38pm
Subject: Re: Jeep axle needed!!! Please read!
Look around at www.jeepwire.com for a good writeup on swapping a Ford 8.8 from an Explorer.
Scott
Jeff Woods wrote:
I picked up a Dana 35 from a club member a couple of weeks ago. I paid $60 and
it is complete with the drums. I believe it was Hal but can't remember for
sure. The 1st owner told me it had 4.11's and its diffidently open. Well to
make a long story short, I am not going to be using it anytime soon so if you
want it email me back and we can make arrangements. I just need to get my $60
back out of it. If you don't want it I will be using it eventually as a spare.
Either way let me know.
Jeff
Chris wrote:
> Ok here's the scoop:
>
> Took the Jeep in for new brakes all the way around, as I have never done
> brakes and I feel they are important, so I leave that job to someone else.
> Bad news, axle seal leaking. Then more bad news, bearing race had been
> spun previously, and the outer lip of the housing had been pinched in a few
> places to keep the bearing still. Tnow it is to banged up to hold a new
> bearing race. Really bad news, I need a new axle. But it is a step up, as
> I will get rid of the D35. I have heard of an Explorer rear end going out
> back, a Ford 9-inch, and of course the venerable D44. The Explorer rear
> end would be nice as I would not need to change wheels on the back. I am
> pretty sure I have 3.73 gears, (4.2, ba-10 tranny, np207 t-case, used to
> have trash-lock) so throw me some ideas or leads...
>
> HELP!
> Chris
> 87 YJ
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12686 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 5:40pm
Subject: Re: TJ, XJ and ZJ owners - info of benefit
I used the old arms to replace my rear upper bushings 6 months back. It takes a BIG press to do it.
Scott
DougB wrote:
For TJ, XJ, and ZJ owners with aftermarket upper front control arms...don't
throw away your stock upper front control arms. They contain the very same
bushings that are pressed into your axle brackets. These stock axle side
bushings are retained w/ all aftermarket stock arms, and are pressed into
the axle truss and bracket for the upper arms. They will go bad and will
need to be replaced at some point. While new bushings cost only about $22
each, you can reuse the bushings in your upper front arms (frame side
bushings) if they're in good shape.
I just found that out, and since I replaced my stock upper arms quite a
while ago, they have very little mileage on them, so I removed the bushings
from them, and will be installing them on my axle brackets (I blew one of
them this past weekend).
Thought I'd pass it on.
Doug
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12687 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 16, 2000 5:57pm
Subject: York Install is Complete
I just finished the York install in my 99TJ Sport. It was extremely simple
and an absolutely incredible system. I don't even have a tank yet and I can
air up two tires simultaneously from 4psi - 22psi in about 45 seconds at
engine idle. Once I get a tank I'll be able to run higher RPM's to maintain
tank pressure for air tools but right now it fills the system in about 1/2 a
second. It is also extremely quiet. You don't even hear it operating over
the engine with the hood open! My Quick Air II was noisy but this is a very
sweet setup. I found that AutoSafety House sells 3 gallon tanks 7"x24"
rated at 150psi for $57.00 so I am getting one of those but they said it
would take about 2 weeks to come in. I have my manifold set up to cut out
at 125psi and in at 100psi and a safety pop valve set to 150psi. The tank
is the lowest rated item in my system (150psi) but has a 10psi safety factor
built in. My entire system can only handle 160psi MAX for all the
components I have so that tank is perfect. The sun performance tank was 2.5
gallons and was more expensive than the tank from AutoSafety House. I also
didn't need the 5 NPT openings since all the components are handled through
my manifold, the tank will simple be run to from a 'T' fitting on my
manifold. No more running to the gas station after runs now for faster air
service. :)
Pete