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12638 From: Mike <mchat@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 6:17pm
Subject: [TR] Sat Sep 16 - Jack Handle
What: ASA4WDC Jamboree Pre-Run: Jack Handle
This is a rugged little 3.5(+) trail that starts out in a fairly flat wash. It then winds around as the trail gets tighter and tighter. There are a few small waterfalls and many table sized boulders to navigate along the way. The first guy to run this trail didn't see one boulder and ended up using his jack handle as a temporary tie rod to finish the trail so keep your eyes open along the way. When you think you at the end, the trail juts up out on the wash and gives you a view of the whole area. Then you are in for a few roller coasters and a steep drop back to where you started.
Where: Meet at the Texaco in Florence Junction.
Take US-60 all the way to Florence Junction. Continue on US-60 at the Hwy-79 Turn off, just past the Hwy-79 turn-off on the Left side of the road is the Texaco. This makes a great place to top off and pick up those last minute snacks.
When: Meet at 8:00am.
CB: Channel 4
- Mike Chatfield
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12639 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 7:59pm
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: TRAIL LEADER INFO JAMBOREE]]
Here is some info on the ASA4WDC jamboree activities.
Bob
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:21:46 -0700
From: "Bob Nyberg" rcjd50@e...
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
To: "'Bob Nyberg'" r.nyberg@w...
Subject: [Fwd: TRAIL LEADER INFO JAMBOREE]
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:29:35 MST
From: "Sandee McCullen" McCullen@w...
Subject: TRAIL LEADER INFO JAMBOREE
To: "Jerry Steele" jsteele@a... , "Mark Peterson" mudbogr@a... , "Norman Petersen (r14141)" norman.petersen@m... , "Steve Morehouse" almach@v... , "Brad Musil" bmusil@a... , "Ed Melendy" mred@m... , "Scott McMillan" SMcmillan@S... , "Gary MacLaren" gmaclaren@c... , "Linda Luik" minihummer@w... , "Kurt Loga" Logaks@h... , "Wendi Kawa" wendikawa@h... , Ray_Jenkins-RW9340@email, "Ron Couch" rbc@e... , "Marty Boetel" cboetel@a... , "Elliott Bartlett" ej.bartlett@w... , "Charles Bab****" charles.h.bab****@i... , tomasr@a..., tuffie@d... , jdh@e..., stl2low@m... , "Bob Nyberg (rcjd50)" rcjd50@e... , "Steve Willoughby" ob1wlob@h... , twistedxj@h..., ebnhils@e... , mchat@h..., slang@a... , cvillarreal@s..., dunk95@h... , han****1@a...
FOR YOUR INFORMATION:
A JAMBOREE TRAIL PRE-RUN IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS WEEKEND AND THE WEEKEND OF
OCTOBER 7-8. JAMBOREE CAMPSITE ON COTTONWOOD CANYON ROAD. LEAVE AROUND
9:00 AM. KURT WILL BE CAMPING AT THE SITE THIS WEEKEND AND WILL HAVE MAPS
OF THE TRAILS.
A TRAIL LEADER MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 28 AT THE
WEATHER VANE RESTAURANT IN MESA AT 6:30 p.m.
Hwy 60 to Power. North to Main St. East on Main 1/2 mile. The Weather
Vane Restaurant will be on your right (south side) about 100 yards before
the next stop light. 7303 E. Main St.
This meeting has been moved out because we do not have a full slate of Trail
Leaders yet. Hopefully we will have enough volunteers by the 28th to cover
all trails. Tail Gunners are more than welcome....... MANY THANKS to all
of you that have volunteered so far.
Kurt and Sandee
12640 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 8:08pm
Subject: Vibration
Hi All
I want to again thank you all for the great feedback on my vibration and
groan problem. I completed a rear spring bolt reversal and CV shaft
install today and the shaft fixed the problem. The CJ is smooth as silk
again. Hope to see everyone at the ASA4WDC jamboree trail pre run
Saturday. There are still allot of openings for leaders and gunners!
Bob
12641 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 8:36pm
Subject: Crown King earlier
Myself and a couple of others (hopefully) are heading up to Crown King via
the good old back road.
I'll be leaving the intersection of Castle Hot Springs Road and SR74 at 8:00
AM heading north, channel #4 on the CB. (SW corner of Lake Pleasant)
I plan on eating lunch on the trail and catching a cold one once in Crown
King. I'll be Jeep camping, you know, camping in your Jeep for the night
and coming back down Sunday morning. I might return via the route that
comes down through the old game preserve, a range or two of mountains
further west than Saturday's track up.
I know some Jeepers from Tucson are heading up around 11:30 or there.....too
hot for me for this coming Saturday. Anyone wanting a cooler departure time
is welcome to join up.
Drop me a note if you intend to go so we can look for you. Anyone wanting
to camp over is welcome too, as long as you don't SNORE!
There will be a GPS & laptop mapping software demo Saturday evening since
I'll be loading up the return track for Sunday's return.
BRING WATER!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
12642 From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 9:11pm
Subject: Chrysler 904/Dana300 f/s
Hey all --
I've got a buddy that's got a rebuilt Chrysler 904 auto mated to a
Dana300 transfer case that he's looking to get rid of. They were
originally out of an 85 CJ8 Scrambler. The tcase is stock and the
904 is performance built to handle a 360 with 350hp. The trans will
bolt up to an AMC 258, 304, 360, or 401.
If interested, email me offline and I can get you more information.
Happy Jeepin',
Jeff - jeffm @ desertwave.com
12643 From: Roxie <Roxie@t...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 9:57pm
Subject: For Sale: Detroit Locker
Hey kids...I have a Detroit Locker for Sale. I *actually* have a
certificate to redeem for *any* Detroit or Lock Rite Locker - includes
shipping, straight from the factory. I'd send you the certificate with all
paperwork (which I won from Copper State 4WDC). I'd like to get close to
the asking price for the Detroit, and then you would save a few $$ and
wouldn't have to pay for shipping?! If you're interested, email me
off-list, let me know what kind you'd need, and make an offer!!
In case you're wondering why I'm selling it, I just bought front and rear
D44s, 4.56 gears, detroits already installed and set up for SOA on a YJ!!
:) Speaking of which, if anyone has/knows of/wants to sell a Dana 300
Transfer Case, please email me!!
-Stacy-Michelle (sorry for the cross posts!!)
www.thejeepgoddess.com
"Silly Boys, Jeeps are for Girls"
12644 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 10:04pm
Subject: Re: To sipe...or not to sipe, that is the question
Thanks to all who offered advice on siping my new MT/R's, I've decided not to.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@earthlink.net
12645 From: Michael Connor <mikec@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 0:19am
Subject: Re: Crown King earlier
I took a trip up there last Sunday; someone had
tossed a bunch of rocks in at the ledge. A bone
stock Xterra followed me right up.:-(
Uncle Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:36 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King earlier
> Myself and a couple of others (hopefully) are heading up to Crown King via
> the good old back road.
>
> I'll be leaving the intersection of Castle Hot Springs Road and SR74 at
8:00
> AM heading north, channel #4 on the CB. (SW corner of Lake Pleasant)
>
> I plan on eating lunch on the trail and catching a cold one once in Crown
> King. I'll be Jeep camping, you know, camping in your Jeep for the night
> and coming back down Sunday morning. I might return via the route that
> comes down through the old game preserve, a range or two of mountains
> further west than Saturday's track up.
>
> I know some Jeepers from Tucson are heading up around 11:30 or
there.....too
> hot for me for this coming Saturday. Anyone wanting a cooler departure
time
> is welcome to join up.
>
> Drop me a note if you intend to go so we can look for you. Anyone wanting
> to camp over is welcome too, as long as you don't SNORE!
>
> There will be a GPS & laptop mapping software demo Saturday evening since
> I'll be loading up the return track for Sunday's return.
>
> BRING WATER!
>
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>
> http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
>
>
>
>
>
12646 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:58am
Subject: Re: Crown King earlier
Michael Connor wrote:
> I took a trip up there last Sunday; someone had
> tossed a bunch of rocks in at the ledge. A bone
> stock Xterra followed me right up.:-(
I've found that ledge to be more of a wheelbase thing anyhow. Short
wheelbase, even stockers, don't have much trouble with it. Extend the
wheelbase, even with a decent lift, and they start having trouble with
it.
12647 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 6:42am
Subject: Moab Trip report
WOW!!! What a funtastic time.
Those who attended: TimN(TJ), ChrisR(XJ), MarcW(YJ), and DougB-me(TJ). All
the Jeeps were well built up and ready for the trails.
Trails we did: Moab Rim (4+), Poison Spider-Golden Spike-Gold Bar (4), Hells
Revenge (4+).
Carnage: 1 broken rear axle; 1 broken front locker (and maybe a trashed r/p
set); 1 broken bearing hub; 1 bent front driveshaft; 1 blown control arm
bushing; 1 rolled XJ.
Pics to follow.
We all arrived on Saturday - Marc and his shot gun (Leon) had arrived
earlier, but had a problem on the way up. The single center bolt on his left
rear spring pack had broken, and the springs were floating and the axle was
shifting. They managed to crab their way to Moab, and first thing Sunday,
Tim and I went off to try to find a parts store that might have something
that we could make work. Fortunately, there was a store that had the bolt,
and new u-bolts (the ones on the Jeep had been stripped, getting them off).
We got the spring pack together and since it was late morning, we decided to
do the relatively short but challenging Moab Rim, as a warm up. It turned
out to be a very, very long day.
Moab Rim trail rises from the Colorado Canyon very dramatically, and follows
ledges and outcroppings that offer a straight look down into the canyon. No
mistakes here, since cost of failure is very high. We worked our way over
some tough ledges, and about a quarter of the way up, Chris (XJ w/ 6" lift
and 33's) blew his right rear axle. Fortunately, we were able to get it to a
flat spot away from the edge, and also fortunately, Chris had a spare. We
set about changing it out, but the axle had broken/shattered in the splines
and we ended up having to pull his locker out to remove the remnants. Once
we got it buttoned up and going, we realized that something was seriously
wrong w/ his front end. Apparently his Lock-Rite was toast. It probably
broke coming over the ledge that broke his rear axle. Since we had just
gotten over some of the hardest stuff, Chris decided to press on, but it
soon became clear that it was hopeless, so he parked it above several
challenging steps. He then road up to the top w/ Tim.
The rest of the trip to the top was fun but comparatively uneventful. The
views from on top offered a fantastic panorama of Moab below and the
Colorado River behind us. We stopped for a late lunch (bout 3pm Az time).
The trip down turned out to be very harrowing and very long. We worked our
way down to the XJ, and Chris started it up and started to go down the
ledges.
At the second major ledge, his left front fell in a hole, and this right
rear shot in the air...probably getting about 5' of air under it. It held
steady, and Leon and I ran to the right rear corner, to try and hold it. We
got to w/in 5 feet of it when it let go and rolled over to the left. A large
boulder stopped it's roll, but the damage was done. It was partially on it's
roof and on it's side. The roof was caved in on the front right corner, and
the windshield was broken pretty badly. Very fortunately, Chris was
unharmed.
To get it turned over, I attached my winch to the XJ's rear axle, and Tim
maneuvered his Jeep and attached his winch to the front axle. Working the
winched together, we were able to get upright, but it was precariously
perched on the side of a fairly substantial drop off...so I had to keep my
winch attached to it's right rear to keep it from rolling again. Tim was
able to move behind it, and eventually, we were able to get it off the
ledge.
By this time, it was getting late, the sun was setting, and we had to get
off the trail (we hoped) before dark. The XJ had lost a bit of misc fluids,
and had also lost some critical brake fluid, so we decided to winch it off
the mountain. Tim was attached to the front of the XJ w/ a strap (to get it
over the obstacles to come); I was attached to it's rear, via my winch, and
Marc was attached to me as an anchor - via a strap. Since the XJ had no
power steering, and also had limited braking ability, I had images of it
going over the side, and taking Marc and I with it. Pucker factor supreme. I
had to change my pants out after this :o)
Anyway, with this arrangement, we inched our way down the very steep trail.
About half way down it got dark...very dark. One advantage of doing this in
the dark was that you couldn't really see anything over the edge of the
trail, and therefore couldn't see how far straight down you'd fall if you
slipped off. Leon proved to be a great help in spotting us carefully down
the trail. He was running up and down the trail with a flashlight, helping
spot everyone down. I really don't think we could have made it w/o his help.
At once point, we were thinking of just parking and setting camp until
morning, but we pressed on. We made it to the bottom sometime after 9 or
9:30 or so. We were a sight to see pulling into town....many heads were
turning, no doubt due to our good looks, but probably also because Chris's
front end was making a hell of a racket, and his XJ was pretty beat up.
Monday, we decided to head off for a long day of wheeling and do a
combination of Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar. Chris left his XJ
behind and rode shotgun w/ Tim. This trip had many challenges, but seemed
tame compared to what we went through the day before. The combo is a strong
class 4, and can be made harder if you opt for some optional obstacles, like
Double Whammy.
The scenery was fantastic and the trails provided many challenges, not the
least of which was staying on it. Fortunately, Tim has a great GPS unit and
had loaded detailed maps and waypoints of Moab - so we were able to find our
way w/o too much difficulty. Also, the trails are fairly well marked now.
Apparently, for the last Jeep Safari, they painted symbols on the rock to
mark the different trails. We went off these marked trails once to find (we
hoped) a short cut between Poison Spider and Golden Spike. We took an
unmarked side trail, and took us over some unmarked rock, but we came out
fine.
Once we were on Gold Bar, we came upon some mountain bikers resting by a
challenging ledge. There were several female spandex types there, and Tim
became distracted slightly :o) and ended up bending his shaft on a ledge
:o). A humbling experience, no doubt. We pressed on...
We pulled back into town around sunset. This trail offers some amazing views
and vistas...absolutely stunning scenery.
Tuesday, Tim, Chris (as shotgun-spotter) and I headed off to check out
Hell's Revenge. Marc and Leon passed on this one, and did some other sight
seeing.
Hell's Revenge is rated a 4+, and consists of very dramatic vertical climbs
and descents. It's hard to capture in words what this trail was
like...though "OH ****" comes to mind.
Tires stick like glue to the sandstone...which they have to since your
kissing the sky on many of the obstacles. Top sum it up...it was a long and
fun day, but at the end, we were ready to call it quits. This was the
perfect trail to pick as the last one. Our off-road jones had been well
satisfied.
Wednesday was a Jeep repair day, getting Chris's XJ ready for the attempted
trip home, and disco-ing Tim's front driveshaft. We gingerly pulled out of
Moab by 12n with thoughts of making it to Canyonlands for a pleasant camping
overnight. Once at Canyonlands, we ended up finding a side trail that led to
a great camp sight w/ dramatic views, but our plans were cut short when
Chris's XJ suffered a bearing hub failure. So we decided to leave the XJ on
the side trail, and we headed for home. Chris was planning to come back and
get it Friday w/ his trailer.
We ended up spending Wednesday night in Chinle, and got up early Thursday to
view some of Canyon de Chelly. What a fantastic place.
Well...this was one exciting and fantastic trip...except I think Chris was
wishing he had never heard of Moab. Actually, Chris was great the whole
time...taking it all in stride, and really enjoyed the trip.
I'll be posting pics soon of this adventure.
Happy Trails,
Doug
12648 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 7:10am
Subject: Drive line specs
Here is a link with Jeep drive line specs from 72 to 99.
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/swb/articles/specgrid.htm
Bob
12649 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 7:37am
Subject: RE: Night run with Stu
Thanks Stu, I will be going up to CK with Bill Sat late and camping. We are then going to try and come down to Table Mesa on a new/old trail. Deb and the boys are camping with us. I won't get on the trail due to Popwarner football (two kids) until late Sat. Maybe see you up there. Email me a map where you are camping.
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@uswest.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 7:50 PM
To: Ross Skinner
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Night run with Stu
Hi Ross,
Keith sent me some photos and I added them to the night run pics I had put up earlier:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=444107&a=8635006&p=28071577
Hey, I am leaving for Crown King at 8:00 AM Saturday morning, from the corner of Castle Hot Springs Road and SR 74.
There should be between 2 and 4 Jeeps (mostly the same folks as the night run). You and Deb and Brian are certainly welcome to come, as always!
I plan on staying up there and finding a nice little spot to camp and then come back down, maybe on a different route, on Sunday morning.
Catch you later on......Stu
p.s. Let me know if you want to go.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s2bsi.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:25 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Night run with Stu
Thanks Stu for leading the run last night. It was beautiful out there last night. You are the master with the GPS. I would never remeber all of those little trails to get out.
Your Jeep was doing really well up some of those hills. Thanks again.
Ross and Deb
12650 From: Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:11am
Subject: **Found** Red CJ-7
Anyone missing a late 70's CJ-7? I may have found it see attached file.
Attachment: (image/jpeg) sharky [not stored]
12651 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:23am
Subject: Re: **Found** Red CJ-7
I do believe the "submarine" is a TJ rather then a CJ. ;-)
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12652 From: <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:40am
Subject: Photos of Moab 9-00
Greetings!
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Here is a message describing the photos:
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12653 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:54am
Subject: LU - [Fwd: Activism, anyone?]
I am passing this along, This is a follow-up from that ATV event in
Colorado.
Linda
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:07:29 -0600
From: Tom Zehrbach tzehrbach@h...
Organization: @Home Network
To: ZJ List zj-list@m...
Subject: [ZJ] Activism, anyone?
Sender: owner-zj-list@m...
Tom Zehrbach <tzehrbach@home.com> writes:
This is somewhat humorous, but very sad in many ways. If you feel like
writing a letter, please do so.
First, read:
http://4wheeldrive.about.com/autos/4wheeldrive/library/blMarshaLUNpost.htm
(The last time you were on a trail - were you this unhappy?)
> Under the traditional but not politically correct assumption that "fair is
> fair," I must again seek your help, and it must be done quickly !! Here's
> the story. Many of you may still be unaware that the Southern Utah
> Wilderness Alliance and the Utah Environmental Congress have set out to make
> it miserable for the Rocky Mountain ATV Jamboree this year. Due to their
> letters and phone calls we have had to concel 9 of our 62 rides, mostly due
> to bogus complaints about not wanting us in roadless areas. They seem to
> forget that the roadless initiative does not prohibit continued use of
> existing roads and trails, mferely prohibits construction of any new ones.
> Our special use permit from the Forest Service was sort of held "hostage"
> until such time that those two sides could negotiate what SUWA thought was
> acceptable to them. However, the Jamboree is alive and well and we're
> looking forward to the opening day on Monday Sept. 18. Please pass the word
> to those who may be worried. One of the rides we had to give up was in an
> area called the San Rafael Swell. It is spectacular desert and redrock
> scenery that has been under controversy for some time. In a recent BLM
> decision, certain areas were closed to OHV's and certain existing roads and
> trails were left open to OHV use. This year the Jamboree proposed to make
> use of those existing, legal trails and have booked two separate rides of
> about 45 people each into that area. Our intended use of legal trails was
> promptly denied by the Price District BLM office, supposedly because they
> had been told that we intended to ride "cross country." As a result of
> official notification, we have cancelled that ride. Only a few days after
> receiving the denial, I read on the web that the Southern Utah Wilderness
> Alliance is sponsoring their "Annual SUWA Roundup." A single phone call to
> the BLM left us with doubts that a permit has been officially required or
> issued to this group of reportedly up to 400 "lost souls," who will be
> looking for a spiritual experience in the wilderness. Their ad mentions
> food and camping, with music and alcohol on your own. I have written a
> freedom of information request to the BLM asking for permit information for
> this mass gathering. Because SUWA is always plugging up the system with
> their phone calls and letters to government agencies I thought we should
> take our turn. Therefore, I am asking (begging and pleading) with each of
> you to send a similar letter requesting information. To make this easy and
> fast I have included my letter in it's entirety below. It may be more
> effective if you alter the wording slightly but you are welcome to use the
> letter in any way you think is suitable. Just be sure to include your own
> name and address below the signature line. Here's what I wrote.
> A thousand other requests with separate signatures would make a good point
> here. Again "FAIR IS FAIR." Thanks to all for taking the time to make sure
> your rights to access public lands are maintained fairly and equally. Do it
> right now, please !!!
>
> September 13, 2000
>
> Mr. Dick Manus, Manager
> Price District BLM
> 125 S. 600 W.
> Price, Utah 84501
>
> Dear Mr. Manus;
>
> I have recently become aware that the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance
> (SUWA) is planning their "annual SUWA Roundup, Sept. 22 - 24, 2000" and that
> it is planned for the "Hidden Splendor mine site and landing strip above
> Muddy Creek in the San Rafael Swell."
>
> This letter will constitute my official freedom of information request for
> the following information regarding the planned SUWA event. I assume that
> the information can be sent prior to the event, within the next day or two,
> in enough time that questions and concerns can still be addressed
> adequately. I would like to see the following items:
>
> 1. The written request for a special use permit from the BLM
> 2. A copy of the special use permit itself
> 3. A copy of the EA or NEPA document under which the permit has been
> issued
> 4. The number of people expected at this event
> 5. A map of the exact location of the proposed campsite, including ingress
> and egress routes
> 6. A complete description of the proposed sanitation facilities, including
> both human waste and solid waste which will be generated
> 7. A copy of the separate permit or other indication of compliance with the
> State of Utah Rules for Temporary Mass Gatherings, R392-400 of the
> Utah Administrative Code. This would include required details on food
> service, potable water supply, wastewater disposal, solid waste disposal,
> medical facilities, and other State requirements.
>
> I know this mass gathering rule would not necessarily involve BLM only
> inasmuch as BLM should be certain that all requirements have been met before
> a special use permit is issued. I simply wish to be assured of complete
> compliance with all applicable rules and regulations, particularly within
> this "sensitive" area.
>
> I will appreciate your immediate attention to this matter, allowing enough
> time that proper response may be taken, if necessary. Thank you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ___________________________
>
> Your Name
>
> Address
>
> City, State, Zip Code
->END<------------------------------------------------------------------------
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12654 From: Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 9:02am
Subject: Re: **Found** Red CJ-7
Everyone who correctly identified the Jeep as a TJ wins a prize. The bottom of
the toy says "98 Wrangler".
Jeff
mark smith wrote:
> It may need an interior job done, but other than that it looks fine!!
>
> Jeff Woods wrote:
>
> > Anyone missing a late 70's CJ-7? I may have found it see attached file.
> >
12655 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 9:12am
Subject: Re: Moab Trip report
Sounds like a great trip! I am envious! Moab is one of those places I have been
trying to get to for a few years. Maybe next year.....
Linda
DougB wrote:
> WOW!!! What a funtastic time.
>
> Those who attended: TimN(TJ), ChrisR(XJ), MarcW(YJ), and DougB-me(TJ). All
> the Jeeps were well built up and ready for the trails.
>
> Trails we did: Moab Rim (4+), Poison Spider-Golden Spike-Gold Bar (4), Hells
> Revenge (4+).
>
> Carnage: 1 broken rear axle; 1 broken front locker (and maybe a trashed r/p
> set); 1 broken bearing hub; 1 bent front driveshaft; 1 blown control arm
> bushing; 1 rolled XJ.
>
> Pics to follow.
>
> We all arrived on Saturday - Marc and his shot gun (Leon) had arrived
> earlier, but had a problem on the way up. The single center bolt on his left
> rear spring pack had broken, and the springs were floating and the axle was
> shifting. They managed to crab their way to Moab, and first thing Sunday,
> Tim and I went off to try to find a parts store that might have something
> that we could make work. Fortunately, there was a store that had the bolt,
> and new u-bolts (the ones on the Jeep had been stripped, getting them off).
>
> We got the spring pack together and since it was late morning, we decided to
> do the relatively short but challenging Moab Rim, as a warm up. It turned
> out to be a very, very long day.
>
> Moab Rim trail rises from the Colorado Canyon very dramatically, and follows
> ledges and outcroppings that offer a straight look down into the canyon. No
> mistakes here, since cost of failure is very high. We worked our way over
> some tough ledges, and about a quarter of the way up, Chris (XJ w/ 6" lift
> and 33's) blew his right rear axle. Fortunately, we were able to get it to a
> flat spot away from the edge, and also fortunately, Chris had a spare. We
> set about changing it out, but the axle had broken/shattered in the splines
> and we ended up having to pull his locker out to remove the remnants. Once
> we got it buttoned up and going, we realized that something was seriously
> wrong w/ his front end. Apparently his Lock-Rite was toast. It probably
> broke coming over the ledge that broke his rear axle. Since we had just
> gotten over some of the hardest stuff, Chris decided to press on, but it
> soon became clear that it was hopeless, so he parked it above several
> challenging steps. He then road up to the top w/ Tim.
>
> The rest of the trip to the top was fun but comparatively uneventful. The
> views from on top offered a fantastic panorama of Moab below and the
> Colorado River behind us. We stopped for a late lunch (bout 3pm Az time).
>
> The trip down turned out to be very harrowing and very long. We worked our
> way down to the XJ, and Chris started it up and started to go down the
> ledges.
>
> At the second major ledge, his left front fell in a hole, and this right
> rear shot in the air...probably getting about 5' of air under it. It held
> steady, and Leon and I ran to the right rear corner, to try and hold it. We
> got to w/in 5 feet of it when it let go and rolled over to the left. A large
> boulder stopped it's roll, but the damage was done. It was partially on it's
> roof and on it's side. The roof was caved in on the front right corner, and
> the windshield was broken pretty badly. Very fortunately, Chris was
> unharmed.
>
> To get it turned over, I attached my winch to the XJ's rear axle, and Tim
> maneuvered his Jeep and attached his winch to the front axle. Working the
> winched together, we were able to get upright, but it was precariously
> perched on the side of a fairly substantial drop off...so I had to keep my
> winch attached to it's right rear to keep it from rolling again. Tim was
> able to move behind it, and eventually, we were able to get it off the
> ledge.
>
> By this time, it was getting late, the sun was setting, and we had to get
> off the trail (we hoped) before dark. The XJ had lost a bit of misc fluids,
> and had also lost some critical brake fluid, so we decided to winch it off
> the mountain. Tim was attached to the front of the XJ w/ a strap (to get it
> over the obstacles to come); I was attached to it's rear, via my winch, and
> Marc was attached to me as an anchor - via a strap. Since the XJ had no
> power steering, and also had limited braking ability, I had images of it
> going over the side, and taking Marc and I with it. Pucker factor supreme. I
> had to change my pants out after this :o)
>
> Anyway, with this arrangement, we inched our way down the very steep trail.
> About half way down it got dark...very dark. One advantage of doing this in
> the dark was that you couldn't really see anything over the edge of the
> trail, and therefore couldn't see how far straight down you'd fall if you
> slipped off. Leon proved to be a great help in spotting us carefully down
> the trail. He was running up and down the trail with a flashlight, helping
> spot everyone down. I really don't think we could have made it w/o his help.
> At once point, we were thinking of just parking and setting camp until
> morning, but we pressed on. We made it to the bottom sometime after 9 or
> 9:30 or so. We were a sight to see pulling into town....many heads were
> turning, no doubt due to our good looks, but probably also because Chris's
> front end was making a hell of a racket, and his XJ was pretty beat up.
>
> Monday, we decided to head off for a long day of wheeling and do a
> combination of Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar. Chris left his XJ
> behind and rode shotgun w/ Tim. This trip had many challenges, but seemed
> tame compared to what we went through the day before. The combo is a strong
> class 4, and can be made harder if you opt for some optional obstacles, like
> Double Whammy.
>
> The scenery was fantastic and the trails provided many challenges, not the
> least of which was staying on it. Fortunately, Tim has a great GPS unit and
> had loaded detailed maps and waypoints of Moab - so we were able to find our
> way w/o too much difficulty. Also, the trails are fairly well marked now.
> Apparently, for the last Jeep Safari, they painted symbols on the rock to
> mark the different trails. We went off these marked trails once to find (we
> hoped) a short cut between Poison Spider and Golden Spike. We took an
> unmarked side trail, and took us over some unmarked rock, but we came out
> fine.
>
> Once we were on Gold Bar, we came upon some mountain bikers resting by a
> challenging ledge. There were several female spandex types there, and Tim
> became distracted slightly :o) and ended up bending his shaft on a ledge
> :o). A humbling experience, no doubt. We pressed on...
>
> We pulled back into town around sunset. This trail offers some amazing views
> and vistas...absolutely stunning scenery.
>
> Tuesday, Tim, Chris (as shotgun-spotter) and I headed off to check out
> Hell's Revenge. Marc and Leon passed on this one, and did some other sight
> seeing.
>
> Hell's Revenge is rated a 4+, and consists of very dramatic vertical climbs
> and descents. It's hard to capture in words what this trail was
> like...though "OH ****" comes to mind.
> Tires stick like glue to the sandstone...which they have to since your
> kissing the sky on many of the obstacles. Top sum it up...it was a long and
> fun day, but at the end, we were ready to call it quits. This was the
> perfect trail to pick as the last one. Our off-road jones had been well
> satisfied.
>
> Wednesday was a Jeep repair day, getting Chris's XJ ready for the attempted
> trip home, and disco-ing Tim's front driveshaft. We gingerly pulled out of
> Moab by 12n with thoughts of making it to Canyonlands for a pleasant camping
> overnight. Once at Canyonlands, we ended up finding a side trail that led to
> a great camp sight w/ dramatic views, but our plans were cut short when
> Chris's XJ suffered a bearing hub failure. So we decided to leave the XJ on
> the side trail, and we headed for home. Chris was planning to come back and
> get it Friday w/ his trailer.
>
> We ended up spending Wednesday night in Chinle, and got up early Thursday to
> view some of Canyon de Chelly. What a fantastic place.
>
> Well...this was one exciting and fantastic trip...except I think Chris was
> wishing he had never heard of Moab. Actually, Chris was great the whole
> time...taking it all in stride, and really enjoyed the trip.
>
> I'll be posting pics soon of this adventure.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Doug
12656 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 9:19am
Subject: Re: Moab Trip report
Linda....seriously....it's a MUST DO. I had no idea it would be that great.
From now on, I'm rolling out my prayer rug and kneeling toward Moab.
Doug (still basking in 4WD heaven's afterglow...anyone have a cigarette?)
----- Original Message -----
From: "LindaL" <minihummer@w...>
To: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
Cc: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Moab Trip report
> Sounds like a great trip! I am envious! Moab is one of those places I have
been
> trying to get to for a few years. Maybe next year.....
>
> Linda
>
> DougB wrote:
>
> > WOW!!! What a funtastic time.
> >
> > Those who attended: TimN(TJ), ChrisR(XJ), MarcW(YJ), and DougB-me(TJ).
All
> > the Jeeps were well built up and ready for the trails.
> >
> > Trails we did: Moab Rim (4+), Poison Spider-Golden Spike-Gold Bar (4),
Hells
> > Revenge (4+).
> >
> > Carnage: 1 broken rear axle; 1 broken front locker (and maybe a trashed
r/p
> > set); 1 broken bearing hub; 1 bent front driveshaft; 1 blown control arm
> > bushing; 1 rolled XJ.
> >
> > Pics to follow.
> >
> > We all arrived on Saturday - Marc and his shot gun (Leon) had arrived
> > earlier, but had a problem on the way up. The single center bolt on his
left
> > rear spring pack had broken, and the springs were floating and the axle
was
> > shifting. They managed to crab their way to Moab, and first thing
Sunday,
> > Tim and I went off to try to find a parts store that might have
something
> > that we could make work. Fortunately, there was a store that had the
bolt,
> > and new u-bolts (the ones on the Jeep had been stripped, getting them
off).
> >
> > We got the spring pack together and since it was late morning, we
decided to
> > do the relatively short but challenging Moab Rim, as a warm up. It
turned
> > out to be a very, very long day.
> >
> > Moab Rim trail rises from the Colorado Canyon very dramatically, and
follows
> > ledges and outcroppings that offer a straight look down into the canyon.
No
> > mistakes here, since cost of failure is very high. We worked our way
over
> > some tough ledges, and about a quarter of the way up, Chris (XJ w/ 6"
lift
> > and 33's) blew his right rear axle. Fortunately, we were able to get it
to a
> > flat spot away from the edge, and also fortunately, Chris had a spare.
We
> > set about changing it out, but the axle had broken/shattered in the
splines
> > and we ended up having to pull his locker out to remove the remnants.
Once
> > we got it buttoned up and going, we realized that something was
seriously
> > wrong w/ his front end. Apparently his Lock-Rite was toast. It probably
> > broke coming over the ledge that broke his rear axle. Since we had just
> > gotten over some of the hardest stuff, Chris decided to press on, but it
> > soon became clear that it was hopeless, so he parked it above several
> > challenging steps. He then road up to the top w/ Tim.
> >
> > The rest of the trip to the top was fun but comparatively uneventful.
The
> > views from on top offered a fantastic panorama of Moab below and the
> > Colorado River behind us. We stopped for a late lunch (bout 3pm Az
time).
> >
> > The trip down turned out to be very harrowing and very long. We worked
our
> > way down to the XJ, and Chris started it up and started to go down the
> > ledges.
> >
> > At the second major ledge, his left front fell in a hole, and this right
> > rear shot in the air...probably getting about 5' of air under it. It
held
> > steady, and Leon and I ran to the right rear corner, to try and hold it.
We
> > got to w/in 5 feet of it when it let go and rolled over to the left. A
large
> > boulder stopped it's roll, but the damage was done. It was partially on
it's
> > roof and on it's side. The roof was caved in on the front right corner,
and
> > the windshield was broken pretty badly. Very fortunately, Chris was
> > unharmed.
> >
> > To get it turned over, I attached my winch to the XJ's rear axle, and
Tim
> > maneuvered his Jeep and attached his winch to the front axle. Working
the
> > winched together, we were able to get upright, but it was precariously
> > perched on the side of a fairly substantial drop off...so I had to keep
my
> > winch attached to it's right rear to keep it from rolling again. Tim was
> > able to move behind it, and eventually, we were able to get it off the
> > ledge.
> >
> > By this time, it was getting late, the sun was setting, and we had to
get
> > off the trail (we hoped) before dark. The XJ had lost a bit of misc
fluids,
> > and had also lost some critical brake fluid, so we decided to winch it
off
> > the mountain. Tim was attached to the front of the XJ w/ a strap (to get
it
> > over the obstacles to come); I was attached to it's rear, via my winch,
and
> > Marc was attached to me as an anchor - via a strap. Since the XJ had no
> > power steering, and also had limited braking ability, I had images of it
> > going over the side, and taking Marc and I with it. Pucker factor
supreme. I
> > had to change my pants out after this :o)
> >
> > Anyway, with this arrangement, we inched our way down the very steep
trail.
> > About half way down it got dark...very dark. One advantage of doing this
in
> > the dark was that you couldn't really see anything over the edge of the
> > trail, and therefore couldn't see how far straight down you'd fall if
you
> > slipped off. Leon proved to be a great help in spotting us carefully
down
> > the trail. He was running up and down the trail with a flashlight,
helping
> > spot everyone down. I really don't think we could have made it w/o his
help.
> > At once point, we were thinking of just parking and setting camp until
> > morning, but we pressed on. We made it to the bottom sometime after 9 or
> > 9:30 or so. We were a sight to see pulling into town....many heads were
> > turning, no doubt due to our good looks, but probably also because
Chris's
> > front end was making a hell of a racket, and his XJ was pretty beat up.
> >
> > Monday, we decided to head off for a long day of wheeling and do a
> > combination of Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar. Chris left his
XJ
> > behind and rode shotgun w/ Tim. This trip had many challenges, but
seemed
> > tame compared to what we went through the day before. The combo is a
strong
> > class 4, and can be made harder if you opt for some optional obstacles,
like
> > Double Whammy.
> >
> > The scenery was fantastic and the trails provided many challenges, not
the
> > least of which was staying on it. Fortunately, Tim has a great GPS unit
and
> > had loaded detailed maps and waypoints of Moab - so we were able to find
our
> > way w/o too much difficulty. Also, the trails are fairly well marked
now.
> > Apparently, for the last Jeep Safari, they painted symbols on the rock
to
> > mark the different trails. We went off these marked trails once to find
(we
> > hoped) a short cut between Poison Spider and Golden Spike. We took an
> > unmarked side trail, and took us over some unmarked rock, but we came
out
> > fine.
> >
> > Once we were on Gold Bar, we came upon some mountain bikers resting by a
> > challenging ledge. There were several female spandex types there, and
Tim
> > became distracted slightly :o) and ended up bending his shaft on a ledge
> > :o). A humbling experience, no doubt. We pressed on...
> >
> > We pulled back into town around sunset. This trail offers some amazing
views
> > and vistas...absolutely stunning scenery.
> >
> > Tuesday, Tim, Chris (as shotgun-spotter) and I headed off to check out
> > Hell's Revenge. Marc and Leon passed on this one, and did some other
sight
> > seeing.
> >
> > Hell's Revenge is rated a 4+, and consists of very dramatic vertical
climbs
> > and descents. It's hard to capture in words what this trail was
> > like...though "OH ****" comes to mind.
> > Tires stick like glue to the sandstone...which they have to since your
> > kissing the sky on many of the obstacles. Top sum it up...it was a long
and
> > fun day, but at the end, we were ready to call it quits. This was the
> > perfect trail to pick as the last one. Our off-road jones had been well
> > satisfied.
> >
> > Wednesday was a Jeep repair day, getting Chris's XJ ready for the
attempted
> > trip home, and disco-ing Tim's front driveshaft. We gingerly pulled out
of
> > Moab by 12n with thoughts of making it to Canyonlands for a pleasant
camping
> > overnight. Once at Canyonlands, we ended up finding a side trail that
led to
> > a great camp sight w/ dramatic views, but our plans were cut short when
> > Chris's XJ suffered a bearing hub failure. So we decided to leave the XJ
on
> > the side trail, and we headed for home. Chris was planning to come back
and
> > get it Friday w/ his trailer.
> >
> > We ended up spending Wednesday night in Chinle, and got up early
Thursday to
> > view some of Canyon de Chelly. What a fantastic place.
> >
> > Well...this was one exciting and fantastic trip...except I think Chris
was
> > wishing he had never heard of Moab. Actually, Chris was great the whole
> > time...taking it all in stride, and really enjoyed the trip.
> >
> > I'll be posting pics soon of this adventure.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> >
> > Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
12657 From: Jason D <atc1man@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 10:28am
Subject: Tuscon info
Hi all. I'm Jason Dunaway, currently in Beaumont Texas, 90% chance
that I'm relocating to Tuscon within a year. I'm quite stoked about
it, as there isn't bumkiss for trails in this part of Texas!! I used
to live in Yuma, own a '94 XJ with 4" of lift and 31's and misc other
mods, work for Dirtroad.com (http://dirtroad.com/proj94c.htm), am a
26 year old married federal employee, been to Moab (EJS) once.
Anyways, I'm looking to make some contacts in the TUS area and garner
any other information I can (website links and such) that will help
me in this endevor.
Thanks,
=====
Jason D.
BPT ATCT Webmaster (Beaumont, TX)
http://bpt.natca.net
Our home on the web:
http://www.jnkoffroad.alloffroad.com
Tx4x4 Cyber Club, Beaumont Chapter President:
http://www.beaumont4x4.alloffroad.com
__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
http://mail.yahoo.com/
12658 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 10:41am
Subject: Re: Tuscon info
Hi Jason,
When you get here let us know and we will be happy to show you some of
the trails in the Tucson and Phoenix areas, we got lots of trails. :-)
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12659 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 0:30pm
Subject: Personal Web Site Links, Or Even Business
It's Me Again, No I am not asking for Pics, I am now asking for links
to any pages that any of you have, I will put them Up, Monday is the
Target day for my New Site, Same URL, New Look(Happier) Not all
Gloomey and Black. Yuck. If your link is a business do not worry, I
will not require some Affiliate money rate, it is free advertisement.
Anyway If you have a link to a sight your own and with permission
only. I do not want to go through that stuff again. Give me a Mail at
Larry@d..., PLease use this address, it sends direct to my
Computer.
Visit the site on Monday and Check it out, And remember I am open to
suggestions about anything on the site, so if you have any
suggestions then put them in the e-mail with your link
submission. the new site will incorporate more Flash work with the
HTML/JAVA pages to combine interactivity instead of having two
different sites.
Sincerely Larry 87' wrangler
Lookin forward to alot of submissions.
BTW I get my sticker today or tomorrow. Can't wait. wooohooo
12660 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 1:00pm
Subject: RE: Crown King earlier
Building an obstacle up with rocks are OK as long as they are removed for
the next person. It won't bother me to stop and toss the rocks off the side
of the hill.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Connor [mailto:mikec@p...]
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 00:20
>To: az_vjc; Stu Olson
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Crown King earlier
>
>
>I took a trip up there last Sunday; someone had
>tossed a bunch of rocks in at the ledge. A bone
>stock Xterra followed me right up.:-(
>
>Uncle Mike
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
>To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:36 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King earlier
>
>
>> Myself and a couple of others (hopefully) are heading up to
>Crown King via
>> the good old back road.
>>
>> I'll be leaving the intersection of Castle Hot Springs Road and SR74 at
>8:00
>> AM heading north, channel #4 on the CB. (SW corner of Lake Pleasant)
>>
>> I plan on eating lunch on the trail and catching a cold one once in Crown
>> King. I'll be Jeep camping, you know, camping in your Jeep for the night
>> and coming back down Sunday morning. I might return via the route that
>> comes down through the old game preserve, a range or two of mountains
>> further west than Saturday's track up.
>>
>> I know some Jeepers from Tucson are heading up around 11:30 or
>there.....too
>> hot for me for this coming Saturday. Anyone wanting a cooler departure
>time
>> is welcome to join up.
>>
>> Drop me a note if you intend to go so we can look for you.
>Anyone wanting
>> to camp over is welcome too, as long as you don't SNORE!
>>
>> There will be a GPS & laptop mapping software demo Saturday evening since
>> I'll be loading up the return track for Sunday's return.
>>
>> BRING WATER!
>>
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> Stu Olson N7QJP
>> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>>
>> http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
>> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>> Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
12661 From: keith - alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 6:23am
Subject: dash lights inop
I was cruising around in prescott the other night when I turned on my
headlights they cam on fine but now my dash lights are dead all except for
the stupid shift indicator I have heard this is a common thing and was
wondering if anybody knows what I need to fix
kea
www.alloffroad.com - editor
12662 From: Daniel Weed <revolvr@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 1:39pm
Subject: Re: Crown King earlier
Last time I was there, I seriously thought about tossing all of those
rocks over the edge. But then I figured someone would come along with
a sledgehammer and permanently remove the ledge.
-- Dan
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...> wrote:
> Building an obstacle up with rocks are OK as long as they are
removed for
> the next person. It won't bother me to stop and toss the rocks off
the side
> of the hill.
>
> Stu
>
12638 From: Mike <mchat@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 6:17pm
Subject: [TR] Sat Sep 16 - Jack Handle
What: ASA4WDC Jamboree Pre-Run: Jack Handle
This is a rugged little 3.5(+) trail that starts out in a fairly flat wash. It then winds around as the trail gets tighter and tighter. There are a few small waterfalls and many table sized boulders to navigate along the way. The first guy to run this trail didn't see one boulder and ended up using his jack handle as a temporary tie rod to finish the trail so keep your eyes open along the way. When you think you at the end, the trail juts up out on the wash and gives you a view of the whole area. Then you are in for a few roller coasters and a steep drop back to where you started.
Where: Meet at the Texaco in Florence Junction.
Take US-60 all the way to Florence Junction. Continue on US-60 at the Hwy-79 Turn off, just past the Hwy-79 turn-off on the Left side of the road is the Texaco. This makes a great place to top off and pick up those last minute snacks.
When: Meet at 8:00am.
CB: Channel 4
- Mike Chatfield
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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12639 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 7:59pm
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: TRAIL LEADER INFO JAMBOREE]]
Here is some info on the ASA4WDC jamboree activities.
Bob
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:21:46 -0700
From: "Bob Nyberg" rcjd50@e...
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
To: "'Bob Nyberg'" r.nyberg@w...
Subject: [Fwd: TRAIL LEADER INFO JAMBOREE]
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:29:35 MST
From: "Sandee McCullen" McCullen@w...
Subject: TRAIL LEADER INFO JAMBOREE
To: "Jerry Steele" jsteele@a... , "Mark Peterson" mudbogr@a... , "Norman Petersen (r14141)" norman.petersen@m... , "Steve Morehouse" almach@v... , "Brad Musil" bmusil@a... , "Ed Melendy" mred@m... , "Scott McMillan" SMcmillan@S... , "Gary MacLaren" gmaclaren@c... , "Linda Luik" minihummer@w... , "Kurt Loga" Logaks@h... , "Wendi Kawa" wendikawa@h... , Ray_Jenkins-RW9340@email, "Ron Couch" rbc@e... , "Marty Boetel" cboetel@a... , "Elliott Bartlett" ej.bartlett@w... , "Charles Bab****" charles.h.bab****@i... , tomasr@a..., tuffie@d... , jdh@e..., stl2low@m... , "Bob Nyberg (rcjd50)" rcjd50@e... , "Steve Willoughby" ob1wlob@h... , twistedxj@h..., ebnhils@e... , mchat@h..., slang@a... , cvillarreal@s..., dunk95@h... , han****1@a...
FOR YOUR INFORMATION:
A JAMBOREE TRAIL PRE-RUN IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS WEEKEND AND THE WEEKEND OF
OCTOBER 7-8. JAMBOREE CAMPSITE ON COTTONWOOD CANYON ROAD. LEAVE AROUND
9:00 AM. KURT WILL BE CAMPING AT THE SITE THIS WEEKEND AND WILL HAVE MAPS
OF THE TRAILS.
A TRAIL LEADER MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 28 AT THE
WEATHER VANE RESTAURANT IN MESA AT 6:30 p.m.
Hwy 60 to Power. North to Main St. East on Main 1/2 mile. The Weather
Vane Restaurant will be on your right (south side) about 100 yards before
the next stop light. 7303 E. Main St.
This meeting has been moved out because we do not have a full slate of Trail
Leaders yet. Hopefully we will have enough volunteers by the 28th to cover
all trails. Tail Gunners are more than welcome....... MANY THANKS to all
of you that have volunteered so far.
Kurt and Sandee
12640 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 8:08pm
Subject: Vibration
Hi All
I want to again thank you all for the great feedback on my vibration and
groan problem. I completed a rear spring bolt reversal and CV shaft
install today and the shaft fixed the problem. The CJ is smooth as silk
again. Hope to see everyone at the ASA4WDC jamboree trail pre run
Saturday. There are still allot of openings for leaders and gunners!
Bob
12641 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 8:36pm
Subject: Crown King earlier
Myself and a couple of others (hopefully) are heading up to Crown King via
the good old back road.
I'll be leaving the intersection of Castle Hot Springs Road and SR74 at 8:00
AM heading north, channel #4 on the CB. (SW corner of Lake Pleasant)
I plan on eating lunch on the trail and catching a cold one once in Crown
King. I'll be Jeep camping, you know, camping in your Jeep for the night
and coming back down Sunday morning. I might return via the route that
comes down through the old game preserve, a range or two of mountains
further west than Saturday's track up.
I know some Jeepers from Tucson are heading up around 11:30 or there.....too
hot for me for this coming Saturday. Anyone wanting a cooler departure time
is welcome to join up.
Drop me a note if you intend to go so we can look for you. Anyone wanting
to camp over is welcome too, as long as you don't SNORE!
There will be a GPS & laptop mapping software demo Saturday evening since
I'll be loading up the return track for Sunday's return.
BRING WATER!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
12642 From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 9:11pm
Subject: Chrysler 904/Dana300 f/s
Hey all --
I've got a buddy that's got a rebuilt Chrysler 904 auto mated to a
Dana300 transfer case that he's looking to get rid of. They were
originally out of an 85 CJ8 Scrambler. The tcase is stock and the
904 is performance built to handle a 360 with 350hp. The trans will
bolt up to an AMC 258, 304, 360, or 401.
If interested, email me offline and I can get you more information.
Happy Jeepin',
Jeff - jeffm @ desertwave.com
12643 From: Roxie <Roxie@t...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 9:57pm
Subject: For Sale: Detroit Locker
Hey kids...I have a Detroit Locker for Sale. I *actually* have a
certificate to redeem for *any* Detroit or Lock Rite Locker - includes
shipping, straight from the factory. I'd send you the certificate with all
paperwork (which I won from Copper State 4WDC). I'd like to get close to
the asking price for the Detroit, and then you would save a few $$ and
wouldn't have to pay for shipping?! If you're interested, email me
off-list, let me know what kind you'd need, and make an offer!!
In case you're wondering why I'm selling it, I just bought front and rear
D44s, 4.56 gears, detroits already installed and set up for SOA on a YJ!!
:) Speaking of which, if anyone has/knows of/wants to sell a Dana 300
Transfer Case, please email me!!
-Stacy-Michelle (sorry for the cross posts!!)
www.thejeepgoddess.com
"Silly Boys, Jeeps are for Girls"
12644 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 14, 2000 10:04pm
Subject: Re: To sipe...or not to sipe, that is the question
Thanks to all who offered advice on siping my new MT/R's, I've decided not to.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@earthlink.net
12645 From: Michael Connor <mikec@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 0:19am
Subject: Re: Crown King earlier
I took a trip up there last Sunday; someone had
tossed a bunch of rocks in at the ledge. A bone
stock Xterra followed me right up.:-(
Uncle Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:36 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King earlier
> Myself and a couple of others (hopefully) are heading up to Crown King via
> the good old back road.
>
> I'll be leaving the intersection of Castle Hot Springs Road and SR74 at
8:00
> AM heading north, channel #4 on the CB. (SW corner of Lake Pleasant)
>
> I plan on eating lunch on the trail and catching a cold one once in Crown
> King. I'll be Jeep camping, you know, camping in your Jeep for the night
> and coming back down Sunday morning. I might return via the route that
> comes down through the old game preserve, a range or two of mountains
> further west than Saturday's track up.
>
> I know some Jeepers from Tucson are heading up around 11:30 or
there.....too
> hot for me for this coming Saturday. Anyone wanting a cooler departure
time
> is welcome to join up.
>
> Drop me a note if you intend to go so we can look for you. Anyone wanting
> to camp over is welcome too, as long as you don't SNORE!
>
> There will be a GPS & laptop mapping software demo Saturday evening since
> I'll be loading up the return track for Sunday's return.
>
> BRING WATER!
>
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>
> http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
>
>
>
>
>
12646 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:58am
Subject: Re: Crown King earlier
Michael Connor wrote:
> I took a trip up there last Sunday; someone had
> tossed a bunch of rocks in at the ledge. A bone
> stock Xterra followed me right up.:-(
I've found that ledge to be more of a wheelbase thing anyhow. Short
wheelbase, even stockers, don't have much trouble with it. Extend the
wheelbase, even with a decent lift, and they start having trouble with
it.
12647 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 6:42am
Subject: Moab Trip report
WOW!!! What a funtastic time.
Those who attended: TimN(TJ), ChrisR(XJ), MarcW(YJ), and DougB-me(TJ). All
the Jeeps were well built up and ready for the trails.
Trails we did: Moab Rim (4+), Poison Spider-Golden Spike-Gold Bar (4), Hells
Revenge (4+).
Carnage: 1 broken rear axle; 1 broken front locker (and maybe a trashed r/p
set); 1 broken bearing hub; 1 bent front driveshaft; 1 blown control arm
bushing; 1 rolled XJ.
Pics to follow.
We all arrived on Saturday - Marc and his shot gun (Leon) had arrived
earlier, but had a problem on the way up. The single center bolt on his left
rear spring pack had broken, and the springs were floating and the axle was
shifting. They managed to crab their way to Moab, and first thing Sunday,
Tim and I went off to try to find a parts store that might have something
that we could make work. Fortunately, there was a store that had the bolt,
and new u-bolts (the ones on the Jeep had been stripped, getting them off).
We got the spring pack together and since it was late morning, we decided to
do the relatively short but challenging Moab Rim, as a warm up. It turned
out to be a very, very long day.
Moab Rim trail rises from the Colorado Canyon very dramatically, and follows
ledges and outcroppings that offer a straight look down into the canyon. No
mistakes here, since cost of failure is very high. We worked our way over
some tough ledges, and about a quarter of the way up, Chris (XJ w/ 6" lift
and 33's) blew his right rear axle. Fortunately, we were able to get it to a
flat spot away from the edge, and also fortunately, Chris had a spare. We
set about changing it out, but the axle had broken/shattered in the splines
and we ended up having to pull his locker out to remove the remnants. Once
we got it buttoned up and going, we realized that something was seriously
wrong w/ his front end. Apparently his Lock-Rite was toast. It probably
broke coming over the ledge that broke his rear axle. Since we had just
gotten over some of the hardest stuff, Chris decided to press on, but it
soon became clear that it was hopeless, so he parked it above several
challenging steps. He then road up to the top w/ Tim.
The rest of the trip to the top was fun but comparatively uneventful. The
views from on top offered a fantastic panorama of Moab below and the
Colorado River behind us. We stopped for a late lunch (bout 3pm Az time).
The trip down turned out to be very harrowing and very long. We worked our
way down to the XJ, and Chris started it up and started to go down the
ledges.
At the second major ledge, his left front fell in a hole, and this right
rear shot in the air...probably getting about 5' of air under it. It held
steady, and Leon and I ran to the right rear corner, to try and hold it. We
got to w/in 5 feet of it when it let go and rolled over to the left. A large
boulder stopped it's roll, but the damage was done. It was partially on it's
roof and on it's side. The roof was caved in on the front right corner, and
the windshield was broken pretty badly. Very fortunately, Chris was
unharmed.
To get it turned over, I attached my winch to the XJ's rear axle, and Tim
maneuvered his Jeep and attached his winch to the front axle. Working the
winched together, we were able to get upright, but it was precariously
perched on the side of a fairly substantial drop off...so I had to keep my
winch attached to it's right rear to keep it from rolling again. Tim was
able to move behind it, and eventually, we were able to get it off the
ledge.
By this time, it was getting late, the sun was setting, and we had to get
off the trail (we hoped) before dark. The XJ had lost a bit of misc fluids,
and had also lost some critical brake fluid, so we decided to winch it off
the mountain. Tim was attached to the front of the XJ w/ a strap (to get it
over the obstacles to come); I was attached to it's rear, via my winch, and
Marc was attached to me as an anchor - via a strap. Since the XJ had no
power steering, and also had limited braking ability, I had images of it
going over the side, and taking Marc and I with it. Pucker factor supreme. I
had to change my pants out after this :o)
Anyway, with this arrangement, we inched our way down the very steep trail.
About half way down it got dark...very dark. One advantage of doing this in
the dark was that you couldn't really see anything over the edge of the
trail, and therefore couldn't see how far straight down you'd fall if you
slipped off. Leon proved to be a great help in spotting us carefully down
the trail. He was running up and down the trail with a flashlight, helping
spot everyone down. I really don't think we could have made it w/o his help.
At once point, we were thinking of just parking and setting camp until
morning, but we pressed on. We made it to the bottom sometime after 9 or
9:30 or so. We were a sight to see pulling into town....many heads were
turning, no doubt due to our good looks, but probably also because Chris's
front end was making a hell of a racket, and his XJ was pretty beat up.
Monday, we decided to head off for a long day of wheeling and do a
combination of Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar. Chris left his XJ
behind and rode shotgun w/ Tim. This trip had many challenges, but seemed
tame compared to what we went through the day before. The combo is a strong
class 4, and can be made harder if you opt for some optional obstacles, like
Double Whammy.
The scenery was fantastic and the trails provided many challenges, not the
least of which was staying on it. Fortunately, Tim has a great GPS unit and
had loaded detailed maps and waypoints of Moab - so we were able to find our
way w/o too much difficulty. Also, the trails are fairly well marked now.
Apparently, for the last Jeep Safari, they painted symbols on the rock to
mark the different trails. We went off these marked trails once to find (we
hoped) a short cut between Poison Spider and Golden Spike. We took an
unmarked side trail, and took us over some unmarked rock, but we came out
fine.
Once we were on Gold Bar, we came upon some mountain bikers resting by a
challenging ledge. There were several female spandex types there, and Tim
became distracted slightly :o) and ended up bending his shaft on a ledge
:o). A humbling experience, no doubt. We pressed on...
We pulled back into town around sunset. This trail offers some amazing views
and vistas...absolutely stunning scenery.
Tuesday, Tim, Chris (as shotgun-spotter) and I headed off to check out
Hell's Revenge. Marc and Leon passed on this one, and did some other sight
seeing.
Hell's Revenge is rated a 4+, and consists of very dramatic vertical climbs
and descents. It's hard to capture in words what this trail was
like...though "OH ****" comes to mind.
Tires stick like glue to the sandstone...which they have to since your
kissing the sky on many of the obstacles. Top sum it up...it was a long and
fun day, but at the end, we were ready to call it quits. This was the
perfect trail to pick as the last one. Our off-road jones had been well
satisfied.
Wednesday was a Jeep repair day, getting Chris's XJ ready for the attempted
trip home, and disco-ing Tim's front driveshaft. We gingerly pulled out of
Moab by 12n with thoughts of making it to Canyonlands for a pleasant camping
overnight. Once at Canyonlands, we ended up finding a side trail that led to
a great camp sight w/ dramatic views, but our plans were cut short when
Chris's XJ suffered a bearing hub failure. So we decided to leave the XJ on
the side trail, and we headed for home. Chris was planning to come back and
get it Friday w/ his trailer.
We ended up spending Wednesday night in Chinle, and got up early Thursday to
view some of Canyon de Chelly. What a fantastic place.
Well...this was one exciting and fantastic trip...except I think Chris was
wishing he had never heard of Moab. Actually, Chris was great the whole
time...taking it all in stride, and really enjoyed the trip.
I'll be posting pics soon of this adventure.
Happy Trails,
Doug
12648 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 7:10am
Subject: Drive line specs
Here is a link with Jeep drive line specs from 72 to 99.
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/swb/articles/specgrid.htm
Bob
12649 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 7:37am
Subject: RE: Night run with Stu
Thanks Stu, I will be going up to CK with Bill Sat late and camping. We are then going to try and come down to Table Mesa on a new/old trail. Deb and the boys are camping with us. I won't get on the trail due to Popwarner football (two kids) until late Sat. Maybe see you up there. Email me a map where you are camping.
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@uswest.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 7:50 PM
To: Ross Skinner
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Night run with Stu
Hi Ross,
Keith sent me some photos and I added them to the night run pics I had put up earlier:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=444107&a=8635006&p=28071577
Hey, I am leaving for Crown King at 8:00 AM Saturday morning, from the corner of Castle Hot Springs Road and SR 74.
There should be between 2 and 4 Jeeps (mostly the same folks as the night run). You and Deb and Brian are certainly welcome to come, as always!
I plan on staying up there and finding a nice little spot to camp and then come back down, maybe on a different route, on Sunday morning.
Catch you later on......Stu
p.s. Let me know if you want to go.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s2bsi.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:25 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Night run with Stu
Thanks Stu for leading the run last night. It was beautiful out there last night. You are the master with the GPS. I would never remeber all of those little trails to get out.
Your Jeep was doing really well up some of those hills. Thanks again.
Ross and Deb
12650 From: Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:11am
Subject: **Found** Red CJ-7
Anyone missing a late 70's CJ-7? I may have found it see attached file.
Attachment: (image/jpeg) sharky [not stored]
12651 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:23am
Subject: Re: **Found** Red CJ-7
I do believe the "submarine" is a TJ rather then a CJ. ;-)
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12652 From: <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:40am
Subject: Photos of Moab 9-00
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12653 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 8:54am
Subject: LU - [Fwd: Activism, anyone?]
I am passing this along, This is a follow-up from that ATV event in
Colorado.
Linda
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:07:29 -0600
From: Tom Zehrbach tzehrbach@h...
Organization: @Home Network
To: ZJ List zj-list@m...
Subject: [ZJ] Activism, anyone?
Sender: owner-zj-list@m...
Tom Zehrbach <tzehrbach@home.com> writes:
This is somewhat humorous, but very sad in many ways. If you feel like
writing a letter, please do so.
First, read:
http://4wheeldrive.about.com/autos/4wheeldrive/library/blMarshaLUNpost.htm
(The last time you were on a trail - were you this unhappy?)
> Under the traditional but not politically correct assumption that "fair is
> fair," I must again seek your help, and it must be done quickly !! Here's
> the story. Many of you may still be unaware that the Southern Utah
> Wilderness Alliance and the Utah Environmental Congress have set out to make
> it miserable for the Rocky Mountain ATV Jamboree this year. Due to their
> letters and phone calls we have had to concel 9 of our 62 rides, mostly due
> to bogus complaints about not wanting us in roadless areas. They seem to
> forget that the roadless initiative does not prohibit continued use of
> existing roads and trails, mferely prohibits construction of any new ones.
> Our special use permit from the Forest Service was sort of held "hostage"
> until such time that those two sides could negotiate what SUWA thought was
> acceptable to them. However, the Jamboree is alive and well and we're
> looking forward to the opening day on Monday Sept. 18. Please pass the word
> to those who may be worried. One of the rides we had to give up was in an
> area called the San Rafael Swell. It is spectacular desert and redrock
> scenery that has been under controversy for some time. In a recent BLM
> decision, certain areas were closed to OHV's and certain existing roads and
> trails were left open to OHV use. This year the Jamboree proposed to make
> use of those existing, legal trails and have booked two separate rides of
> about 45 people each into that area. Our intended use of legal trails was
> promptly denied by the Price District BLM office, supposedly because they
> had been told that we intended to ride "cross country." As a result of
> official notification, we have cancelled that ride. Only a few days after
> receiving the denial, I read on the web that the Southern Utah Wilderness
> Alliance is sponsoring their "Annual SUWA Roundup." A single phone call to
> the BLM left us with doubts that a permit has been officially required or
> issued to this group of reportedly up to 400 "lost souls," who will be
> looking for a spiritual experience in the wilderness. Their ad mentions
> food and camping, with music and alcohol on your own. I have written a
> freedom of information request to the BLM asking for permit information for
> this mass gathering. Because SUWA is always plugging up the system with
> their phone calls and letters to government agencies I thought we should
> take our turn. Therefore, I am asking (begging and pleading) with each of
> you to send a similar letter requesting information. To make this easy and
> fast I have included my letter in it's entirety below. It may be more
> effective if you alter the wording slightly but you are welcome to use the
> letter in any way you think is suitable. Just be sure to include your own
> name and address below the signature line. Here's what I wrote.
> A thousand other requests with separate signatures would make a good point
> here. Again "FAIR IS FAIR." Thanks to all for taking the time to make sure
> your rights to access public lands are maintained fairly and equally. Do it
> right now, please !!!
>
> September 13, 2000
>
> Mr. Dick Manus, Manager
> Price District BLM
> 125 S. 600 W.
> Price, Utah 84501
>
> Dear Mr. Manus;
>
> I have recently become aware that the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance
> (SUWA) is planning their "annual SUWA Roundup, Sept. 22 - 24, 2000" and that
> it is planned for the "Hidden Splendor mine site and landing strip above
> Muddy Creek in the San Rafael Swell."
>
> This letter will constitute my official freedom of information request for
> the following information regarding the planned SUWA event. I assume that
> the information can be sent prior to the event, within the next day or two,
> in enough time that questions and concerns can still be addressed
> adequately. I would like to see the following items:
>
> 1. The written request for a special use permit from the BLM
> 2. A copy of the special use permit itself
> 3. A copy of the EA or NEPA document under which the permit has been
> issued
> 4. The number of people expected at this event
> 5. A map of the exact location of the proposed campsite, including ingress
> and egress routes
> 6. A complete description of the proposed sanitation facilities, including
> both human waste and solid waste which will be generated
> 7. A copy of the separate permit or other indication of compliance with the
> State of Utah Rules for Temporary Mass Gatherings, R392-400 of the
> Utah Administrative Code. This would include required details on food
> service, potable water supply, wastewater disposal, solid waste disposal,
> medical facilities, and other State requirements.
>
> I know this mass gathering rule would not necessarily involve BLM only
> inasmuch as BLM should be certain that all requirements have been met before
> a special use permit is issued. I simply wish to be assured of complete
> compliance with all applicable rules and regulations, particularly within
> this "sensitive" area.
>
> I will appreciate your immediate attention to this matter, allowing enough
> time that proper response may be taken, if necessary. Thank you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> ___________________________
>
> Your Name
>
> Address
>
> City, State, Zip Code
->END<------------------------------------------------------------------------
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12654 From: Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 9:02am
Subject: Re: **Found** Red CJ-7
Everyone who correctly identified the Jeep as a TJ wins a prize. The bottom of
the toy says "98 Wrangler".
Jeff
mark smith wrote:
> It may need an interior job done, but other than that it looks fine!!
>
> Jeff Woods wrote:
>
> > Anyone missing a late 70's CJ-7? I may have found it see attached file.
> >
12655 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 9:12am
Subject: Re: Moab Trip report
Sounds like a great trip! I am envious! Moab is one of those places I have been
trying to get to for a few years. Maybe next year.....
Linda
DougB wrote:
> WOW!!! What a funtastic time.
>
> Those who attended: TimN(TJ), ChrisR(XJ), MarcW(YJ), and DougB-me(TJ). All
> the Jeeps were well built up and ready for the trails.
>
> Trails we did: Moab Rim (4+), Poison Spider-Golden Spike-Gold Bar (4), Hells
> Revenge (4+).
>
> Carnage: 1 broken rear axle; 1 broken front locker (and maybe a trashed r/p
> set); 1 broken bearing hub; 1 bent front driveshaft; 1 blown control arm
> bushing; 1 rolled XJ.
>
> Pics to follow.
>
> We all arrived on Saturday - Marc and his shot gun (Leon) had arrived
> earlier, but had a problem on the way up. The single center bolt on his left
> rear spring pack had broken, and the springs were floating and the axle was
> shifting. They managed to crab their way to Moab, and first thing Sunday,
> Tim and I went off to try to find a parts store that might have something
> that we could make work. Fortunately, there was a store that had the bolt,
> and new u-bolts (the ones on the Jeep had been stripped, getting them off).
>
> We got the spring pack together and since it was late morning, we decided to
> do the relatively short but challenging Moab Rim, as a warm up. It turned
> out to be a very, very long day.
>
> Moab Rim trail rises from the Colorado Canyon very dramatically, and follows
> ledges and outcroppings that offer a straight look down into the canyon. No
> mistakes here, since cost of failure is very high. We worked our way over
> some tough ledges, and about a quarter of the way up, Chris (XJ w/ 6" lift
> and 33's) blew his right rear axle. Fortunately, we were able to get it to a
> flat spot away from the edge, and also fortunately, Chris had a spare. We
> set about changing it out, but the axle had broken/shattered in the splines
> and we ended up having to pull his locker out to remove the remnants. Once
> we got it buttoned up and going, we realized that something was seriously
> wrong w/ his front end. Apparently his Lock-Rite was toast. It probably
> broke coming over the ledge that broke his rear axle. Since we had just
> gotten over some of the hardest stuff, Chris decided to press on, but it
> soon became clear that it was hopeless, so he parked it above several
> challenging steps. He then road up to the top w/ Tim.
>
> The rest of the trip to the top was fun but comparatively uneventful. The
> views from on top offered a fantastic panorama of Moab below and the
> Colorado River behind us. We stopped for a late lunch (bout 3pm Az time).
>
> The trip down turned out to be very harrowing and very long. We worked our
> way down to the XJ, and Chris started it up and started to go down the
> ledges.
>
> At the second major ledge, his left front fell in a hole, and this right
> rear shot in the air...probably getting about 5' of air under it. It held
> steady, and Leon and I ran to the right rear corner, to try and hold it. We
> got to w/in 5 feet of it when it let go and rolled over to the left. A large
> boulder stopped it's roll, but the damage was done. It was partially on it's
> roof and on it's side. The roof was caved in on the front right corner, and
> the windshield was broken pretty badly. Very fortunately, Chris was
> unharmed.
>
> To get it turned over, I attached my winch to the XJ's rear axle, and Tim
> maneuvered his Jeep and attached his winch to the front axle. Working the
> winched together, we were able to get upright, but it was precariously
> perched on the side of a fairly substantial drop off...so I had to keep my
> winch attached to it's right rear to keep it from rolling again. Tim was
> able to move behind it, and eventually, we were able to get it off the
> ledge.
>
> By this time, it was getting late, the sun was setting, and we had to get
> off the trail (we hoped) before dark. The XJ had lost a bit of misc fluids,
> and had also lost some critical brake fluid, so we decided to winch it off
> the mountain. Tim was attached to the front of the XJ w/ a strap (to get it
> over the obstacles to come); I was attached to it's rear, via my winch, and
> Marc was attached to me as an anchor - via a strap. Since the XJ had no
> power steering, and also had limited braking ability, I had images of it
> going over the side, and taking Marc and I with it. Pucker factor supreme. I
> had to change my pants out after this :o)
>
> Anyway, with this arrangement, we inched our way down the very steep trail.
> About half way down it got dark...very dark. One advantage of doing this in
> the dark was that you couldn't really see anything over the edge of the
> trail, and therefore couldn't see how far straight down you'd fall if you
> slipped off. Leon proved to be a great help in spotting us carefully down
> the trail. He was running up and down the trail with a flashlight, helping
> spot everyone down. I really don't think we could have made it w/o his help.
> At once point, we were thinking of just parking and setting camp until
> morning, but we pressed on. We made it to the bottom sometime after 9 or
> 9:30 or so. We were a sight to see pulling into town....many heads were
> turning, no doubt due to our good looks, but probably also because Chris's
> front end was making a hell of a racket, and his XJ was pretty beat up.
>
> Monday, we decided to head off for a long day of wheeling and do a
> combination of Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar. Chris left his XJ
> behind and rode shotgun w/ Tim. This trip had many challenges, but seemed
> tame compared to what we went through the day before. The combo is a strong
> class 4, and can be made harder if you opt for some optional obstacles, like
> Double Whammy.
>
> The scenery was fantastic and the trails provided many challenges, not the
> least of which was staying on it. Fortunately, Tim has a great GPS unit and
> had loaded detailed maps and waypoints of Moab - so we were able to find our
> way w/o too much difficulty. Also, the trails are fairly well marked now.
> Apparently, for the last Jeep Safari, they painted symbols on the rock to
> mark the different trails. We went off these marked trails once to find (we
> hoped) a short cut between Poison Spider and Golden Spike. We took an
> unmarked side trail, and took us over some unmarked rock, but we came out
> fine.
>
> Once we were on Gold Bar, we came upon some mountain bikers resting by a
> challenging ledge. There were several female spandex types there, and Tim
> became distracted slightly :o) and ended up bending his shaft on a ledge
> :o). A humbling experience, no doubt. We pressed on...
>
> We pulled back into town around sunset. This trail offers some amazing views
> and vistas...absolutely stunning scenery.
>
> Tuesday, Tim, Chris (as shotgun-spotter) and I headed off to check out
> Hell's Revenge. Marc and Leon passed on this one, and did some other sight
> seeing.
>
> Hell's Revenge is rated a 4+, and consists of very dramatic vertical climbs
> and descents. It's hard to capture in words what this trail was
> like...though "OH ****" comes to mind.
> Tires stick like glue to the sandstone...which they have to since your
> kissing the sky on many of the obstacles. Top sum it up...it was a long and
> fun day, but at the end, we were ready to call it quits. This was the
> perfect trail to pick as the last one. Our off-road jones had been well
> satisfied.
>
> Wednesday was a Jeep repair day, getting Chris's XJ ready for the attempted
> trip home, and disco-ing Tim's front driveshaft. We gingerly pulled out of
> Moab by 12n with thoughts of making it to Canyonlands for a pleasant camping
> overnight. Once at Canyonlands, we ended up finding a side trail that led to
> a great camp sight w/ dramatic views, but our plans were cut short when
> Chris's XJ suffered a bearing hub failure. So we decided to leave the XJ on
> the side trail, and we headed for home. Chris was planning to come back and
> get it Friday w/ his trailer.
>
> We ended up spending Wednesday night in Chinle, and got up early Thursday to
> view some of Canyon de Chelly. What a fantastic place.
>
> Well...this was one exciting and fantastic trip...except I think Chris was
> wishing he had never heard of Moab. Actually, Chris was great the whole
> time...taking it all in stride, and really enjoyed the trip.
>
> I'll be posting pics soon of this adventure.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Doug
12656 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 9:19am
Subject: Re: Moab Trip report
Linda....seriously....it's a MUST DO. I had no idea it would be that great.
From now on, I'm rolling out my prayer rug and kneeling toward Moab.
Doug (still basking in 4WD heaven's afterglow...anyone have a cigarette?)
----- Original Message -----
From: "LindaL" <minihummer@w...>
To: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
Cc: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Moab Trip report
> Sounds like a great trip! I am envious! Moab is one of those places I have
been
> trying to get to for a few years. Maybe next year.....
>
> Linda
>
> DougB wrote:
>
> > WOW!!! What a funtastic time.
> >
> > Those who attended: TimN(TJ), ChrisR(XJ), MarcW(YJ), and DougB-me(TJ).
All
> > the Jeeps were well built up and ready for the trails.
> >
> > Trails we did: Moab Rim (4+), Poison Spider-Golden Spike-Gold Bar (4),
Hells
> > Revenge (4+).
> >
> > Carnage: 1 broken rear axle; 1 broken front locker (and maybe a trashed
r/p
> > set); 1 broken bearing hub; 1 bent front driveshaft; 1 blown control arm
> > bushing; 1 rolled XJ.
> >
> > Pics to follow.
> >
> > We all arrived on Saturday - Marc and his shot gun (Leon) had arrived
> > earlier, but had a problem on the way up. The single center bolt on his
left
> > rear spring pack had broken, and the springs were floating and the axle
was
> > shifting. They managed to crab their way to Moab, and first thing
Sunday,
> > Tim and I went off to try to find a parts store that might have
something
> > that we could make work. Fortunately, there was a store that had the
bolt,
> > and new u-bolts (the ones on the Jeep had been stripped, getting them
off).
> >
> > We got the spring pack together and since it was late morning, we
decided to
> > do the relatively short but challenging Moab Rim, as a warm up. It
turned
> > out to be a very, very long day.
> >
> > Moab Rim trail rises from the Colorado Canyon very dramatically, and
follows
> > ledges and outcroppings that offer a straight look down into the canyon.
No
> > mistakes here, since cost of failure is very high. We worked our way
over
> > some tough ledges, and about a quarter of the way up, Chris (XJ w/ 6"
lift
> > and 33's) blew his right rear axle. Fortunately, we were able to get it
to a
> > flat spot away from the edge, and also fortunately, Chris had a spare.
We
> > set about changing it out, but the axle had broken/shattered in the
splines
> > and we ended up having to pull his locker out to remove the remnants.
Once
> > we got it buttoned up and going, we realized that something was
seriously
> > wrong w/ his front end. Apparently his Lock-Rite was toast. It probably
> > broke coming over the ledge that broke his rear axle. Since we had just
> > gotten over some of the hardest stuff, Chris decided to press on, but it
> > soon became clear that it was hopeless, so he parked it above several
> > challenging steps. He then road up to the top w/ Tim.
> >
> > The rest of the trip to the top was fun but comparatively uneventful.
The
> > views from on top offered a fantastic panorama of Moab below and the
> > Colorado River behind us. We stopped for a late lunch (bout 3pm Az
time).
> >
> > The trip down turned out to be very harrowing and very long. We worked
our
> > way down to the XJ, and Chris started it up and started to go down the
> > ledges.
> >
> > At the second major ledge, his left front fell in a hole, and this right
> > rear shot in the air...probably getting about 5' of air under it. It
held
> > steady, and Leon and I ran to the right rear corner, to try and hold it.
We
> > got to w/in 5 feet of it when it let go and rolled over to the left. A
large
> > boulder stopped it's roll, but the damage was done. It was partially on
it's
> > roof and on it's side. The roof was caved in on the front right corner,
and
> > the windshield was broken pretty badly. Very fortunately, Chris was
> > unharmed.
> >
> > To get it turned over, I attached my winch to the XJ's rear axle, and
Tim
> > maneuvered his Jeep and attached his winch to the front axle. Working
the
> > winched together, we were able to get upright, but it was precariously
> > perched on the side of a fairly substantial drop off...so I had to keep
my
> > winch attached to it's right rear to keep it from rolling again. Tim was
> > able to move behind it, and eventually, we were able to get it off the
> > ledge.
> >
> > By this time, it was getting late, the sun was setting, and we had to
get
> > off the trail (we hoped) before dark. The XJ had lost a bit of misc
fluids,
> > and had also lost some critical brake fluid, so we decided to winch it
off
> > the mountain. Tim was attached to the front of the XJ w/ a strap (to get
it
> > over the obstacles to come); I was attached to it's rear, via my winch,
and
> > Marc was attached to me as an anchor - via a strap. Since the XJ had no
> > power steering, and also had limited braking ability, I had images of it
> > going over the side, and taking Marc and I with it. Pucker factor
supreme. I
> > had to change my pants out after this :o)
> >
> > Anyway, with this arrangement, we inched our way down the very steep
trail.
> > About half way down it got dark...very dark. One advantage of doing this
in
> > the dark was that you couldn't really see anything over the edge of the
> > trail, and therefore couldn't see how far straight down you'd fall if
you
> > slipped off. Leon proved to be a great help in spotting us carefully
down
> > the trail. He was running up and down the trail with a flashlight,
helping
> > spot everyone down. I really don't think we could have made it w/o his
help.
> > At once point, we were thinking of just parking and setting camp until
> > morning, but we pressed on. We made it to the bottom sometime after 9 or
> > 9:30 or so. We were a sight to see pulling into town....many heads were
> > turning, no doubt due to our good looks, but probably also because
Chris's
> > front end was making a hell of a racket, and his XJ was pretty beat up.
> >
> > Monday, we decided to head off for a long day of wheeling and do a
> > combination of Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar. Chris left his
XJ
> > behind and rode shotgun w/ Tim. This trip had many challenges, but
seemed
> > tame compared to what we went through the day before. The combo is a
strong
> > class 4, and can be made harder if you opt for some optional obstacles,
like
> > Double Whammy.
> >
> > The scenery was fantastic and the trails provided many challenges, not
the
> > least of which was staying on it. Fortunately, Tim has a great GPS unit
and
> > had loaded detailed maps and waypoints of Moab - so we were able to find
our
> > way w/o too much difficulty. Also, the trails are fairly well marked
now.
> > Apparently, for the last Jeep Safari, they painted symbols on the rock
to
> > mark the different trails. We went off these marked trails once to find
(we
> > hoped) a short cut between Poison Spider and Golden Spike. We took an
> > unmarked side trail, and took us over some unmarked rock, but we came
out
> > fine.
> >
> > Once we were on Gold Bar, we came upon some mountain bikers resting by a
> > challenging ledge. There were several female spandex types there, and
Tim
> > became distracted slightly :o) and ended up bending his shaft on a ledge
> > :o). A humbling experience, no doubt. We pressed on...
> >
> > We pulled back into town around sunset. This trail offers some amazing
views
> > and vistas...absolutely stunning scenery.
> >
> > Tuesday, Tim, Chris (as shotgun-spotter) and I headed off to check out
> > Hell's Revenge. Marc and Leon passed on this one, and did some other
sight
> > seeing.
> >
> > Hell's Revenge is rated a 4+, and consists of very dramatic vertical
climbs
> > and descents. It's hard to capture in words what this trail was
> > like...though "OH ****" comes to mind.
> > Tires stick like glue to the sandstone...which they have to since your
> > kissing the sky on many of the obstacles. Top sum it up...it was a long
and
> > fun day, but at the end, we were ready to call it quits. This was the
> > perfect trail to pick as the last one. Our off-road jones had been well
> > satisfied.
> >
> > Wednesday was a Jeep repair day, getting Chris's XJ ready for the
attempted
> > trip home, and disco-ing Tim's front driveshaft. We gingerly pulled out
of
> > Moab by 12n with thoughts of making it to Canyonlands for a pleasant
camping
> > overnight. Once at Canyonlands, we ended up finding a side trail that
led to
> > a great camp sight w/ dramatic views, but our plans were cut short when
> > Chris's XJ suffered a bearing hub failure. So we decided to leave the XJ
on
> > the side trail, and we headed for home. Chris was planning to come back
and
> > get it Friday w/ his trailer.
> >
> > We ended up spending Wednesday night in Chinle, and got up early
Thursday to
> > view some of Canyon de Chelly. What a fantastic place.
> >
> > Well...this was one exciting and fantastic trip...except I think Chris
was
> > wishing he had never heard of Moab. Actually, Chris was great the whole
> > time...taking it all in stride, and really enjoyed the trip.
> >
> > I'll be posting pics soon of this adventure.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> >
> > Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
12657 From: Jason D <atc1man@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 10:28am
Subject: Tuscon info
Hi all. I'm Jason Dunaway, currently in Beaumont Texas, 90% chance
that I'm relocating to Tuscon within a year. I'm quite stoked about
it, as there isn't bumkiss for trails in this part of Texas!! I used
to live in Yuma, own a '94 XJ with 4" of lift and 31's and misc other
mods, work for Dirtroad.com (http://dirtroad.com/proj94c.htm), am a
26 year old married federal employee, been to Moab (EJS) once.
Anyways, I'm looking to make some contacts in the TUS area and garner
any other information I can (website links and such) that will help
me in this endevor.
Thanks,
=====
Jason D.
BPT ATCT Webmaster (Beaumont, TX)
http://bpt.natca.net
Our home on the web:
http://www.jnkoffroad.alloffroad.com
Tx4x4 Cyber Club, Beaumont Chapter President:
http://www.beaumont4x4.alloffroad.com
__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
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12658 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 10:41am
Subject: Re: Tuscon info
Hi Jason,
When you get here let us know and we will be happy to show you some of
the trails in the Tucson and Phoenix areas, we got lots of trails. :-)
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12659 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 0:30pm
Subject: Personal Web Site Links, Or Even Business
It's Me Again, No I am not asking for Pics, I am now asking for links
to any pages that any of you have, I will put them Up, Monday is the
Target day for my New Site, Same URL, New Look(Happier) Not all
Gloomey and Black. Yuck. If your link is a business do not worry, I
will not require some Affiliate money rate, it is free advertisement.
Anyway If you have a link to a sight your own and with permission
only. I do not want to go through that stuff again. Give me a Mail at
Larry@d..., PLease use this address, it sends direct to my
Computer.
Visit the site on Monday and Check it out, And remember I am open to
suggestions about anything on the site, so if you have any
suggestions then put them in the e-mail with your link
submission. the new site will incorporate more Flash work with the
HTML/JAVA pages to combine interactivity instead of having two
different sites.
Sincerely Larry 87' wrangler
Lookin forward to alot of submissions.
BTW I get my sticker today or tomorrow. Can't wait. wooohooo
12660 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 1:00pm
Subject: RE: Crown King earlier
Building an obstacle up with rocks are OK as long as they are removed for
the next person. It won't bother me to stop and toss the rocks off the side
of the hill.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Connor [mailto:mikec@p...]
>Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 00:20
>To: az_vjc; Stu Olson
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Crown King earlier
>
>
>I took a trip up there last Sunday; someone had
>tossed a bunch of rocks in at the ledge. A bone
>stock Xterra followed me right up.:-(
>
>Uncle Mike
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
>To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:36 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King earlier
>
>
>> Myself and a couple of others (hopefully) are heading up to
>Crown King via
>> the good old back road.
>>
>> I'll be leaving the intersection of Castle Hot Springs Road and SR74 at
>8:00
>> AM heading north, channel #4 on the CB. (SW corner of Lake Pleasant)
>>
>> I plan on eating lunch on the trail and catching a cold one once in Crown
>> King. I'll be Jeep camping, you know, camping in your Jeep for the night
>> and coming back down Sunday morning. I might return via the route that
>> comes down through the old game preserve, a range or two of mountains
>> further west than Saturday's track up.
>>
>> I know some Jeepers from Tucson are heading up around 11:30 or
>there.....too
>> hot for me for this coming Saturday. Anyone wanting a cooler departure
>time
>> is welcome to join up.
>>
>> Drop me a note if you intend to go so we can look for you.
>Anyone wanting
>> to camp over is welcome too, as long as you don't SNORE!
>>
>> There will be a GPS & laptop mapping software demo Saturday evening since
>> I'll be loading up the return track for Sunday's return.
>>
>> BRING WATER!
>>
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> Stu Olson N7QJP
>> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>>
>> http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
>> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>> Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
12661 From: keith - alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 6:23am
Subject: dash lights inop
I was cruising around in prescott the other night when I turned on my
headlights they cam on fine but now my dash lights are dead all except for
the stupid shift indicator I have heard this is a common thing and was
wondering if anybody knows what I need to fix
kea
www.alloffroad.com - editor
12662 From: Daniel Weed <revolvr@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 15, 2000 1:39pm
Subject: Re: Crown King earlier
Last time I was there, I seriously thought about tossing all of those
rocks over the edge. But then I figured someone would come along with
a sledgehammer and permanently remove the ledge.
-- Dan
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...> wrote:
> Building an obstacle up with rocks are OK as long as they are
removed for
> the next person. It won't bother me to stop and toss the rocks off
the side
> of the hill.
>
> Stu
>