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12588 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 0:02am
Subject: Re: Question about road to Crown King
Hi Ralph
I'm sure that the trail could be run in 2wd (I've seen most of it done that
way when my partner broke his truck last time), but whether or not your
friend will enjoy it very much depends greatly on his/her driving skill and
experience. It could be an enjoyable challenge -- then again, it could be
a white knuckle death ride. I ran part of it in 2wd last time (one of those
"if he can do it, so can I" kinda things), but quickly decided to go back to
running the hills in 4lo so that I didn't spend so much time on the brakes.
A lot depends on how the vehicle is set up too.......an open rear diff,
highway gears, and street tires would make it much more difficult.
You might want to let your friend ride along with you and get an idea of the
trail layout and make a judgement afterwards as to its "runnability" in
his/her vehicle.
If you're leaving Tucson around 9am, you'll probably be hitting the trail
around 11 to 11:30. If you wanna meet somewhere I'll be happy to tag along.
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Williams <ralph@p...>
To: AZVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 5:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Question about road to Crown King
>As I have never been up to Crown King I would like to know if the
>road from Lake Pleasant to Crown King would be passable to a
>two-wheel drive Grand Cherokee. It has more actual clearance in
>the middle than my 4x4 ZJ because there is no TC hanging down. We
>could also disconnect the sway bars so it would flex as good as a
>4x4 also (the two wheel drive has the exact same suspension as
>the 4 by, just a straight axle instead of a diff).
>Could also put tow hooks on it if needed.
>Any thoughts from some of you who have been there?
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Ralph
>
>BTW, we will be going up with or without the 4x2 on Saturday,
>will probably get a late start as we won't leave Tucson till
>about 9:00am as wife is working till 8:30am. Anyone interested in
>coming along will be welcome. A few other vehicles (not sure who
>yet) will be with us. Plans not crystalized as yet.
>
>
>
>
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12589 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 4:14am
Subject: Weekend runs??
Has anyone planned a run for this weekend? I have heard about the Tucson
group doing Crown King but are there any others planned? I'll go almost
anywhere from light to moderate (meaning 2 to 4), but I definitely need a
fix after (ugh) another week on the road. Wildcat run, planned run,
organized, disorganized, one Jeep, 10 Jeeps. Anything.
Jon
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Convenient P&C Group
(610) 521-6066
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12590 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 5:14am
Subject: Re: To sipe...or not to sipe, that is the question
The outer lugs are already siped, my question was concerning the inner lugs.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@earthlink.net
12591 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 9:05am
Subject: Re: Question about road to Crown King
I would be interested in tagging along too!!! I might actually get to run
Crown King, Yippeeeeee!!!!
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
----------------------------------------------------
"He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
fool forever."
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:02:34 -0700, Len Sullivan wrote:
> Hi Ralph
>
> I'm sure that the trail could be run in 2wd (I've seen most of it done
that
> way when my partner broke his truck last time), but whether or not your
> friend will enjoy it very much depends greatly on his/her driving skill
and
> experience. It could be an enjoyable challenge -- then again, it could
be
> a white knuckle death ride. I ran part of it in 2wd last time (one of
those
> "if he can do it, so can I" kinda things), but quickly decided to go back
to
> running the hills in 4lo so that I didn't spend so much time on the
brakes.
> A lot depends on how the vehicle is set up too.......an open rear diff,
> highway gears, and street tires would make it much more difficult.
>
> You might want to let your friend ride along with you and get an idea of
the
> trail layout and make a judgement afterwards as to its "runnability" in
> his/her vehicle.
>
> If you're leaving Tucson around 9am, you'll probably be hitting the trail
> around 11 to 11:30. If you wanna meet somewhere I'll be happy to tag
along.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Williams <ralph@p...>
> To: AZVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 5:32 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Question about road to Crown King
>
>
> >As I have never been up to Crown King I would like to know if the
> >road from Lake Pleasant to Crown King would be passable to a
> >two-wheel drive Grand Cherokee. It has more actual clearance in
> >the middle than my 4x4 ZJ because there is no TC hanging down. We
> >could also disconnect the sway bars so it would flex as good as a
> >4x4 also (the two wheel drive has the exact same suspension as
> >the 4 by, just a straight axle instead of a diff).
> >Could also put tow hooks on it if needed.
> >Any thoughts from some of you who have been there?
> >Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Ralph
> >
> >BTW, we will be going up with or without the 4x2 on Saturday,
> >will probably get a late start as we won't leave Tucson till
> >about 9:00am as wife is working till 8:30am. Anyone interested in
> >coming along will be welcome. A few other vehicles (not sure who
> >yet) will be with us. Plans not crystalized as yet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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12592 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:54am
Subject: K&N Filter for Stock TJ Airbox
I have a K&N Filter for a stock air box in a TJ. It apparently does
not fit in a YJ because it is too wide. It was around $40 and was
only in the truck for about a week before I went to work on my fender
with a hack saw (sad story) so I'd like to get $20 for it. Let me
know if you are interested.
Pete
12593 From: <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 7:12am
Subject: Free YJ Bikini Top
Hey Everyone, I have a (really) used Black YJ (strapless) Bikini top. The side straps are broken/torn, but it works fine as a sunshade. It's too ripped to use it in the NW - where it needs to keep out rain, but it would do fine out there for keeping out the sun. It's not pretty, but it works, and it's free. :) First one to email me gets it. I'll even pay to send it to ya!
-Stacy-Michelle
www.thejeepgoddess.com
12594 From: Patrick Burau <pburau@h...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 11:45pm
Subject: Re: Very happy experience
Hal
From what I understand about Discount tire is that none of the employees
work on commission just the managers get a bonus based on how there store
does.
Pat
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Hal Loy" <tucsonhal@e...>
Reply-To: "Hal Loy" <tucsonhal@e...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Subject: [az_vjc] Very happy experience
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:05:09 -0700
I just left Discount Tire on Tanque Verde here in Tucson and felt I should
share my experience with the group. I went there originally to use my
warranty to replace a BFG 31 x 10.50 AT. Nate, the salesman, remembered a
conversation we'd had over a year ago about swapping to 33 x 10.50 BFG MT's.
We talked a little more and the conversation came around to the new Wrangler
MT/R's, we had already discussed the thrashed condition of two of my BFG's.
Nate then offered to apply the replacement warranty for those two tires
toward the cost of five new 33 x 12.50 Wrangler MT/R's if I wanted to swap
to the larger, and I think better, tire resulting in a discount of over
$200. While I'm sure he probably gets a commision off of the sale, I was
very pleased and impressed by his willingness to try and work a deal to get
me the tires I wanted.
I have been a customer of Discount Tire for several years now and due to
this latest experience will continue to be loyal to them. If anyone is in
need of tires I would ask you to give them a call or stop by and see what
they can do for you, for those in Tucson, stop by and see Nate, good
customer service should be rewarded.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
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12595 From: <dunk95@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 11:20am
Subject: Wanted: Used winch
Anyone have or know someone who has a 8000 or 9000 wich for sale? My
friends won't wheel with me any more until I get one due to I keep
breaking things. Will pay cash or trade wife...
12596 From: Matt Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 1:43am
Subject: Re: To sipe...or not to sipe, that is the question
I thought the new MT/R already comes siped.
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Rider 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
----- Original Message -----
From: Hal Loy
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] To sipe...or not to sipe, that is the question
The Jeep is not typically a daily driver, the tires in question are the afore mentioned Wrangler MT/R's, the answer would be...?
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@earthlink.net
12597 From: <dunk95@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 11:14am
Subject: Ford 9 inch for sale
A friend has a newly rebuilt ford 9" for sale. It has 4:11 gears
less that 2000 miles on it. It is 48 1/4 " backing to backing which
should fit a wide trac CJ. He is asking $800.00 obo
12598 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Ford 9 inch for sale
Im not sure about fitting a wide track....
A rear wide track CJ axle is 55 inches in width. Perhaps it is a better
candidate for a narrow track or ealier CJ.
----- Original Message -----
From: <dunk95@h...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:14 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Ford 9 inch for sale
> A friend has a newly rebuilt ford 9" for sale. It has 4:11 gears
> less that 2000 miles on it. It is 48 1/4 " backing to backing which
> should fit a wide trac CJ. He is asking $800.00 obo
>
>
>
>
>
12599 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 5:31pm
Subject: FOR SALE : K&N Air Filter for TJ
I was digging through my garage and realized I still have my stock airbox
from my TJ. I tossed it out and then realized I had purchased a K&N Filter
and put it in. I went and got the box and sure enough it's in there. It
was on my Jeep for a total of about 5 days before I went crazy with the
sawzall on my fender and couldn't put the airbox back in. I'll sell it for
$20.
Pete
12600 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 2:08pm
Subject: Re: Wanted: Used winch
WHATS THE WIFE LOOK LIKE? HAHA COULDN'T RESIST.
STEVE
12601 From: Mike <mchat@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 6:54pm
Subject: [TR] - Sat, Sep 16 - Jack Handle
Hello All,
Anyone interested in helping me pre-run Jack Handle this weekend?
Jack Handle is rated about 3.5(+).
http://www.asa4wdc.org/events/page16.html
If interested please let me know.
Also ASA4WDC needs your help, there are still several trails needing
leaders and tail-ends. Nice thing about being a trail leader/tail-end is
you get a break on the price.
http://asa4wdc.org/events/jamhelp.html
- Mike Chatfield
12602 From: Ralph Williams <ralph@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 7:13pm
Subject: <TR> Crown King Saturday 9/16
We are meeting at the Waffle House on East side of I-17 at Bell
Rd at 11:15-11:30 Saturday morning.
Some of us are going to camp somewhere near Crown King.
CB channel 4.
Informal trip, if you want to come you are welcome to join.
We will be in a white ZJ, there is also a <gasp> black Chevy S-10
with us.
Ralph
12603 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 7:48pm
Subject: Sep-Oct 2000 Az Wildlife Views
Just received my Sep-Oct 2000 copy of the Arizona Wildlife Views. A
magazine published by the Arizona Game and Fish Department. There's a
great article on OHV travel law enforcement by Kevin Bergersen which
really is a 'must read'. This is the second great magazine about the
Arizona outdoors, the first being Az Highways (published by the Az Dept
of Transportation). This magazine focuses on wildlife conservation,
fishing and hunting information.
Subscription information can be had by calling 1-800-777-0015 or
http://www.azgfd.com I don't know if this magazine is on the newstand.
I have been getting the magazine for a number of years and have enjoyed
every issue.
Linda
12604 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:00pm
Subject: Locker Questions???
Hello Gang,
I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when turning.
I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before in
any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it would be
that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little off
road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud. IS
this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
What gear oil should I be using???
I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
Casper
12605 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:06pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
Front or rear? If its in the rear I would say its normal.
Make sure the tire pressure is the same in the front tires... this seems to
help mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
> Hello Gang,
> I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
> During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when
turning.
> I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before
in
> any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
> club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it would
be
> that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little off
> road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud. IS
> this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
> What gear oil should I be using???
> I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
>
> Casper
>
>
>
>
>
12606 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:10pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
Note: Ignore the below sentence if yours is in the rear....
> Make sure the tire pressure is the same in the front tires... this seems
to
> help mine.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
> To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:00 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
>
>
> > Hello Gang,
> > I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
> > During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when
> turning.
> > I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before
> in
> > any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
> > club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it
would
> be
> > that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little
off
> > road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud.
IS
> > this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
> > What gear oil should I be using???
> > I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
> >
> > Casper
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
12607 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:20pm
Subject: RE: Locker Questions???
But having the tire pressure the same in both rear tires will go a long way
in keeping your locker happy!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry [mailto:lmaggio@p...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:10 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
Note: Ignore the below sentence if yours is in the rear....
> Make sure the tire pressure is the same in the front tires... this seems
to
> help mine.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
> To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:00 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
>
>
> > Hello Gang,
> > I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
> > During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when
> turning.
> > I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before
> in
> > any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
> > club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it
would
> be
> > that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little
off
> > road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud.
IS
> > this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
> > What gear oil should I be using???
> > I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
> >
> > Casper
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
12608 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:26pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
Popping from your Lockrite is perfectly normal, and as others have
mentioned, be sure the tires have the same air pressure. Concerning the oil,
I use 85/140 gear oil. It's thicker than the 80/90 that comes in the diff so
it's handles the heat here well and I've noticed my Lockrite is quieter with
the thicker stuff.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12609 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:34pm
Subject: Locker Question again???
I bought my Powertrax Lock-Rite from ToyBox off-road, but I couldn't get a
hold of Jay, so maybe you all can answer this:
I thought originally that I had a 35c, but found it to be a 35, so I called
Arizona 4-wheel Supply in Phoenix. I gave them the part no. and they told me
the kit I had for my 35c would also work on the 35. Does this sound right?
The manual also stated that this could be done as well. I don't know allot
about lockers, so I wouldn't know. Any help in this would be appreciated.
Thank you all!
Casper
12610 From: Rick Norman <rickandvanda@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:38pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
Casper,
I have the No-Slip in the rear of my 91 XJ. Its similar to the lockright,
only its supposed to be quieter. I get quite a few small pops while turning,
and an occasional bang that makes me think I should be carrying a spare
axle. This usually only happens on the trail when I least expect it. From
what I've heard from the Lockright, yours is acting normal. I switched to
140 Wt. gear oil, and that helped quiet it down a bit. It also seemed to get
quieter after each of the first 4 or 5 trail rides, so take it out use it,
as it will probably quiet down a bit. See you next month for NAXJA Fall
Fling. Its gonna be great!
Rick
4x4xFUN
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
> Hello Gang,
> I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
> During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when
turning.
> I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before
in
> any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
> club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it would
be
> that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little off
> road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud. IS
> this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
> What gear oil should I be using???
> I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
>
> Casper
>
>
>
>
12611 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
Yep, sounds pretty normal, especially if you are running a manual tranny. For
whatever reason, the manual tranny seems to bring out the "worst" in the Lock
Right in terms of noises and manors. All of the ones that I have heard with an
automatic behave much better. But all-in-all, yours sounds about right on
track. I have one in my CJ7 with an auto,and while coming around corners
(especially in populated parking lots) I tend to turn alot of heads with the
clack-clack-clack noise that I get. Gotta love it.
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
Toybox Off-Road
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
12612 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 9:03pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
There are two different sounds my lock-right makes. There's the
click-click-click sound that is audible if I've got the clutch in going
around a corner. If I accelerate slightly around a corner, the noise goes
away almost completely. Then there's the occasional POP. I drive my jeep
to work every day, and I usually get a big pop about once a day or every
other day. I've gotten used to it, but it does turn heads.
I have lock-right's in both diffs, and the one in the front was giving me
some problems at first. It would repeately pop loudly when it should have
been locked. (i.e., spinning my tires climbing a snowy hill.) I took it
apart again, and noticed the teeth on the lock-right were a little bit
chewed up, but not too bad. At the advice of the local 4-wheel drive shop,
I replaced both of the thrust washers (is that what they're called) on
either side of the carrier, and my problem went away completely. That was
about three years ago, and I haven't had a problem since, even with the
slightly chipped teeth on the lock-rite.
So if it's popping loudly on a regular basis, you might want to try
replacing those thrust washers if you didn't do it when you installed the
locker. They are only a buck or two each, but you've gotta disassemble the
whole thing again...
Oh, and you should be using whatever gear oil your owner's manual
recommends. I think I use 85W90.
darren
83 CJ7
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
> Hello Gang,
> I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
> During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when
turning.
> I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before
in
> any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
> club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it would
be
> that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little off
> road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud. IS
> this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
> What gear oil should I be using???
> I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
>
> Casper
>
>
>
>
12588 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 0:02am
Subject: Re: Question about road to Crown King
Hi Ralph
I'm sure that the trail could be run in 2wd (I've seen most of it done that
way when my partner broke his truck last time), but whether or not your
friend will enjoy it very much depends greatly on his/her driving skill and
experience. It could be an enjoyable challenge -- then again, it could be
a white knuckle death ride. I ran part of it in 2wd last time (one of those
"if he can do it, so can I" kinda things), but quickly decided to go back to
running the hills in 4lo so that I didn't spend so much time on the brakes.
A lot depends on how the vehicle is set up too.......an open rear diff,
highway gears, and street tires would make it much more difficult.
You might want to let your friend ride along with you and get an idea of the
trail layout and make a judgement afterwards as to its "runnability" in
his/her vehicle.
If you're leaving Tucson around 9am, you'll probably be hitting the trail
around 11 to 11:30. If you wanna meet somewhere I'll be happy to tag along.
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Williams <ralph@p...>
To: AZVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 5:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Question about road to Crown King
>As I have never been up to Crown King I would like to know if the
>road from Lake Pleasant to Crown King would be passable to a
>two-wheel drive Grand Cherokee. It has more actual clearance in
>the middle than my 4x4 ZJ because there is no TC hanging down. We
>could also disconnect the sway bars so it would flex as good as a
>4x4 also (the two wheel drive has the exact same suspension as
>the 4 by, just a straight axle instead of a diff).
>Could also put tow hooks on it if needed.
>Any thoughts from some of you who have been there?
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Ralph
>
>BTW, we will be going up with or without the 4x2 on Saturday,
>will probably get a late start as we won't leave Tucson till
>about 9:00am as wife is working till 8:30am. Anyone interested in
>coming along will be welcome. A few other vehicles (not sure who
>yet) will be with us. Plans not crystalized as yet.
>
>
>
>
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12589 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 4:14am
Subject: Weekend runs??
Has anyone planned a run for this weekend? I have heard about the Tucson
group doing Crown King but are there any others planned? I'll go almost
anywhere from light to moderate (meaning 2 to 4), but I definitely need a
fix after (ugh) another week on the road. Wildcat run, planned run,
organized, disorganized, one Jeep, 10 Jeeps. Anything.
Jon
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Convenient P&C Group
(610) 521-6066
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12590 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 5:14am
Subject: Re: To sipe...or not to sipe, that is the question
The outer lugs are already siped, my question was concerning the inner lugs.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@earthlink.net
12591 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 9:05am
Subject: Re: Question about road to Crown King
I would be interested in tagging along too!!! I might actually get to run
Crown King, Yippeeeeee!!!!
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
----------------------------------------------------
"He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
fool forever."
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:02:34 -0700, Len Sullivan wrote:
> Hi Ralph
>
> I'm sure that the trail could be run in 2wd (I've seen most of it done
that
> way when my partner broke his truck last time), but whether or not your
> friend will enjoy it very much depends greatly on his/her driving skill
and
> experience. It could be an enjoyable challenge -- then again, it could
be
> a white knuckle death ride. I ran part of it in 2wd last time (one of
those
> "if he can do it, so can I" kinda things), but quickly decided to go back
to
> running the hills in 4lo so that I didn't spend so much time on the
brakes.
> A lot depends on how the vehicle is set up too.......an open rear diff,
> highway gears, and street tires would make it much more difficult.
>
> You might want to let your friend ride along with you and get an idea of
the
> trail layout and make a judgement afterwards as to its "runnability" in
> his/her vehicle.
>
> If you're leaving Tucson around 9am, you'll probably be hitting the trail
> around 11 to 11:30. If you wanna meet somewhere I'll be happy to tag
along.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Williams <ralph@p...>
> To: AZVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 5:32 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Question about road to Crown King
>
>
> >As I have never been up to Crown King I would like to know if the
> >road from Lake Pleasant to Crown King would be passable to a
> >two-wheel drive Grand Cherokee. It has more actual clearance in
> >the middle than my 4x4 ZJ because there is no TC hanging down. We
> >could also disconnect the sway bars so it would flex as good as a
> >4x4 also (the two wheel drive has the exact same suspension as
> >the 4 by, just a straight axle instead of a diff).
> >Could also put tow hooks on it if needed.
> >Any thoughts from some of you who have been there?
> >Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Ralph
> >
> >BTW, we will be going up with or without the 4x2 on Saturday,
> >will probably get a late start as we won't leave Tucson till
> >about 9:00am as wife is working till 8:30am. Anyone interested in
> >coming along will be welcome. A few other vehicles (not sure who
> >yet) will be with us. Plans not crystalized as yet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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12592 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:54am
Subject: K&N Filter for Stock TJ Airbox
I have a K&N Filter for a stock air box in a TJ. It apparently does
not fit in a YJ because it is too wide. It was around $40 and was
only in the truck for about a week before I went to work on my fender
with a hack saw (sad story) so I'd like to get $20 for it. Let me
know if you are interested.
Pete
12593 From: <Roxie@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 7:12am
Subject: Free YJ Bikini Top
Hey Everyone, I have a (really) used Black YJ (strapless) Bikini top. The side straps are broken/torn, but it works fine as a sunshade. It's too ripped to use it in the NW - where it needs to keep out rain, but it would do fine out there for keeping out the sun. It's not pretty, but it works, and it's free. :) First one to email me gets it. I'll even pay to send it to ya!
-Stacy-Michelle
www.thejeepgoddess.com
12594 From: Patrick Burau <pburau@h...>
Date: Tue Sep 12, 2000 11:45pm
Subject: Re: Very happy experience
Hal
From what I understand about Discount tire is that none of the employees
work on commission just the managers get a bonus based on how there store
does.
Pat
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Hal Loy" <tucsonhal@e...>
Reply-To: "Hal Loy" <tucsonhal@e...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Subject: [az_vjc] Very happy experience
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:05:09 -0700
I just left Discount Tire on Tanque Verde here in Tucson and felt I should
share my experience with the group. I went there originally to use my
warranty to replace a BFG 31 x 10.50 AT. Nate, the salesman, remembered a
conversation we'd had over a year ago about swapping to 33 x 10.50 BFG MT's.
We talked a little more and the conversation came around to the new Wrangler
MT/R's, we had already discussed the thrashed condition of two of my BFG's.
Nate then offered to apply the replacement warranty for those two tires
toward the cost of five new 33 x 12.50 Wrangler MT/R's if I wanted to swap
to the larger, and I think better, tire resulting in a discount of over
$200. While I'm sure he probably gets a commision off of the sale, I was
very pleased and impressed by his willingness to try and work a deal to get
me the tires I wanted.
I have been a customer of Discount Tire for several years now and due to
this latest experience will continue to be loyal to them. If anyone is in
need of tires I would ask you to give them a call or stop by and see what
they can do for you, for those in Tucson, stop by and see Nate, good
customer service should be rewarded.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
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12595 From: <dunk95@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 11:20am
Subject: Wanted: Used winch
Anyone have or know someone who has a 8000 or 9000 wich for sale? My
friends won't wheel with me any more until I get one due to I keep
breaking things. Will pay cash or trade wife...
12596 From: Matt Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 1:43am
Subject: Re: To sipe...or not to sipe, that is the question
I thought the new MT/R already comes siped.
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Rider 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
----- Original Message -----
From: Hal Loy
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] To sipe...or not to sipe, that is the question
The Jeep is not typically a daily driver, the tires in question are the afore mentioned Wrangler MT/R's, the answer would be...?
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@earthlink.net
12597 From: <dunk95@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 11:14am
Subject: Ford 9 inch for sale
A friend has a newly rebuilt ford 9" for sale. It has 4:11 gears
less that 2000 miles on it. It is 48 1/4 " backing to backing which
should fit a wide trac CJ. He is asking $800.00 obo
12598 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Ford 9 inch for sale
Im not sure about fitting a wide track....
A rear wide track CJ axle is 55 inches in width. Perhaps it is a better
candidate for a narrow track or ealier CJ.
----- Original Message -----
From: <dunk95@h...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:14 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Ford 9 inch for sale
> A friend has a newly rebuilt ford 9" for sale. It has 4:11 gears
> less that 2000 miles on it. It is 48 1/4 " backing to backing which
> should fit a wide trac CJ. He is asking $800.00 obo
>
>
>
>
>
12599 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 5:31pm
Subject: FOR SALE : K&N Air Filter for TJ
I was digging through my garage and realized I still have my stock airbox
from my TJ. I tossed it out and then realized I had purchased a K&N Filter
and put it in. I went and got the box and sure enough it's in there. It
was on my Jeep for a total of about 5 days before I went crazy with the
sawzall on my fender and couldn't put the airbox back in. I'll sell it for
$20.
Pete
12600 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 2:08pm
Subject: Re: Wanted: Used winch
WHATS THE WIFE LOOK LIKE? HAHA COULDN'T RESIST.
STEVE
12601 From: Mike <mchat@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 6:54pm
Subject: [TR] - Sat, Sep 16 - Jack Handle
Hello All,
Anyone interested in helping me pre-run Jack Handle this weekend?
Jack Handle is rated about 3.5(+).
http://www.asa4wdc.org/events/page16.html
If interested please let me know.
Also ASA4WDC needs your help, there are still several trails needing
leaders and tail-ends. Nice thing about being a trail leader/tail-end is
you get a break on the price.
http://asa4wdc.org/events/jamhelp.html
- Mike Chatfield
12602 From: Ralph Williams <ralph@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 7:13pm
Subject: <TR> Crown King Saturday 9/16
We are meeting at the Waffle House on East side of I-17 at Bell
Rd at 11:15-11:30 Saturday morning.
Some of us are going to camp somewhere near Crown King.
CB channel 4.
Informal trip, if you want to come you are welcome to join.
We will be in a white ZJ, there is also a <gasp> black Chevy S-10
with us.
Ralph
12603 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 7:48pm
Subject: Sep-Oct 2000 Az Wildlife Views
Just received my Sep-Oct 2000 copy of the Arizona Wildlife Views. A
magazine published by the Arizona Game and Fish Department. There's a
great article on OHV travel law enforcement by Kevin Bergersen which
really is a 'must read'. This is the second great magazine about the
Arizona outdoors, the first being Az Highways (published by the Az Dept
of Transportation). This magazine focuses on wildlife conservation,
fishing and hunting information.
Subscription information can be had by calling 1-800-777-0015 or
http://www.azgfd.com I don't know if this magazine is on the newstand.
I have been getting the magazine for a number of years and have enjoyed
every issue.
Linda
12604 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:00pm
Subject: Locker Questions???
Hello Gang,
I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when turning.
I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before in
any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it would be
that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little off
road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud. IS
this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
What gear oil should I be using???
I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
Casper
12605 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:06pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
Front or rear? If its in the rear I would say its normal.
Make sure the tire pressure is the same in the front tires... this seems to
help mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
> Hello Gang,
> I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
> During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when
turning.
> I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before
in
> any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
> club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it would
be
> that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little off
> road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud. IS
> this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
> What gear oil should I be using???
> I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
>
> Casper
>
>
>
>
>
12606 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:10pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
Note: Ignore the below sentence if yours is in the rear....
> Make sure the tire pressure is the same in the front tires... this seems
to
> help mine.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
> To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:00 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
>
>
> > Hello Gang,
> > I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
> > During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when
> turning.
> > I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before
> in
> > any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
> > club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it
would
> be
> > that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little
off
> > road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud.
IS
> > this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
> > What gear oil should I be using???
> > I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
> >
> > Casper
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
12607 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:20pm
Subject: RE: Locker Questions???
But having the tire pressure the same in both rear tires will go a long way
in keeping your locker happy!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry [mailto:lmaggio@p...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:10 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
Note: Ignore the below sentence if yours is in the rear....
> Make sure the tire pressure is the same in the front tires... this seems
to
> help mine.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
> To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:00 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
>
>
> > Hello Gang,
> > I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
> > During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when
> turning.
> > I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before
> in
> > any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
> > club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it
would
> be
> > that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little
off
> > road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud.
IS
> > this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
> > What gear oil should I be using???
> > I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
> >
> > Casper
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
12608 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:26pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
Popping from your Lockrite is perfectly normal, and as others have
mentioned, be sure the tires have the same air pressure. Concerning the oil,
I use 85/140 gear oil. It's thicker than the 80/90 that comes in the diff so
it's handles the heat here well and I've noticed my Lockrite is quieter with
the thicker stuff.
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
12609 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:34pm
Subject: Locker Question again???
I bought my Powertrax Lock-Rite from ToyBox off-road, but I couldn't get a
hold of Jay, so maybe you all can answer this:
I thought originally that I had a 35c, but found it to be a 35, so I called
Arizona 4-wheel Supply in Phoenix. I gave them the part no. and they told me
the kit I had for my 35c would also work on the 35. Does this sound right?
The manual also stated that this could be done as well. I don't know allot
about lockers, so I wouldn't know. Any help in this would be appreciated.
Thank you all!
Casper
12610 From: Rick Norman <rickandvanda@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:38pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
Casper,
I have the No-Slip in the rear of my 91 XJ. Its similar to the lockright,
only its supposed to be quieter. I get quite a few small pops while turning,
and an occasional bang that makes me think I should be carrying a spare
axle. This usually only happens on the trail when I least expect it. From
what I've heard from the Lockright, yours is acting normal. I switched to
140 Wt. gear oil, and that helped quiet it down a bit. It also seemed to get
quieter after each of the first 4 or 5 trail rides, so take it out use it,
as it will probably quiet down a bit. See you next month for NAXJA Fall
Fling. Its gonna be great!
Rick
4x4xFUN
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
> Hello Gang,
> I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
> During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when
turning.
> I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before
in
> any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
> club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it would
be
> that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little off
> road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud. IS
> this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
> What gear oil should I be using???
> I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
>
> Casper
>
>
>
>
12611 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
Yep, sounds pretty normal, especially if you are running a manual tranny. For
whatever reason, the manual tranny seems to bring out the "worst" in the Lock
Right in terms of noises and manors. All of the ones that I have heard with an
automatic behave much better. But all-in-all, yours sounds about right on
track. I have one in my CJ7 with an auto,and while coming around corners
(especially in populated parking lots) I tend to turn alot of heads with the
clack-clack-clack noise that I get. Gotta love it.
--
----------------------------
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President
Toybox Off-Road
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
12612 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 13, 2000 9:03pm
Subject: Re: Locker Questions???
There are two different sounds my lock-right makes. There's the
click-click-click sound that is audible if I've got the clutch in going
around a corner. If I accelerate slightly around a corner, the noise goes
away almost completely. Then there's the occasional POP. I drive my jeep
to work every day, and I usually get a big pop about once a day or every
other day. I've gotten used to it, but it does turn heads.
I have lock-right's in both diffs, and the one in the front was giving me
some problems at first. It would repeately pop loudly when it should have
been locked. (i.e., spinning my tires climbing a snowy hill.) I took it
apart again, and noticed the teeth on the lock-right were a little bit
chewed up, but not too bad. At the advice of the local 4-wheel drive shop,
I replaced both of the thrust washers (is that what they're called) on
either side of the carrier, and my problem went away completely. That was
about three years ago, and I haven't had a problem since, even with the
slightly chipped teeth on the lock-rite.
So if it's popping loudly on a regular basis, you might want to try
replacing those thrust washers if you didn't do it when you installed the
locker. They are only a buck or two each, but you've gotta disassemble the
whole thing again...
Oh, and you should be using whatever gear oil your owner's manual
recommends. I think I use 85W90.
darren
83 CJ7
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Locker Questions???
> Hello Gang,
> I just installed a Lock-Rite in my 87 XJ, and I have a few questions:
> During the normal on-road driving it seems to pop pretty load when
turning.
> I have never been in a rig with a lock rite, or ever had a locker before
in
> any rig of mine. Does this sound normal? I have heard some others on the
> club web say they had some noise with theirs, but I didn't think it would
be
> that loud. Under heavy acceleration it does great, and we did a little off
> road, and it performed great. but on the road it is noisey, pops loud. IS
> this normal, and is there anything else I should know???
> What gear oil should I be using???
> I appreciate all of your help in this matter, Thank you......
>
> Casper
>
>
>
>