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12388 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 11:43am
Subject: Re: Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
Any of you know where I can find more information or aplications? Like if I
could use a SM420 behind any of those torque monsters???
thanks in advance
Jesus Chio
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Luik" <linda.luik@m...>
To: "Daver" <daver@c...>
Cc: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
> There was a diesel powered CJ in the PHX ARCA event. Don't know if it
> was the B3.9.
> Linda
>
> Daver wrote:
> >
> > "Chris R." wrote:
> > > Got this one from 4 Bangers United, the numbers are just too
awesome!!!
> > > > http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/b39.cfm
> >
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12389 From: NAU88XJ <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 11:44am
Subject: does anybody have a YJ slip yoke?
I am getting ready to bump the lift up on my XJ and need a YJ slip yoke...Does anybody here have one that they aren't using due to a SYE or something?? I'm willing to pay, but I thought I might be able to get one for less than RE and other places want for one
thanks
Kevin
12390 From: Nosmo King <ice626@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 0:51pm
Subject: NEEDED: Tail light lens
Hi all...coming home from work yesterday, a tail light lens fell
off my jeep...I've called a couple of places and was told they don't
make/sell them anymore....would anyone out there happen to have a
spare lens for a 75 CJ5 (small round ones) laying around????...or
know where I might be able to get one....wouldn't want to get pulled
over for something so trivial....thanx in advance...tj
12391 From: Mike Connor <mike@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 1:03pm
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Tail light lens
Statewide 4WD has them...944-0396
Uncle Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nosmo King" <ice626@h...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:51 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] NEEDED: Tail light lens
> Hi all...coming home from work yesterday, a tail light lens fell
> off my jeep...I've called a couple of places and was told they don't
> make/sell them anymore....would anyone out there happen to have a
> spare lens for a 75 CJ5 (small round ones) laying around????...or
> know where I might be able to get one....wouldn't want to get pulled
> over for something so trivial....thanx in advance...tj
>
>
>
>
>
12392 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 6:46am
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Tail light lens
Wow!! what great service....they had the part and when I told the woman I
was in Mesa, she said she could send it to me...I said great and started
pulling out my Visa to pay for it....she said she'd just stick the bill in
the package and I could mail the check when I got the parts....when have you
EVER heard of a company trusting someone like that???....Statewide 4WD has a
new loyal customer....thanx again Mike for hooking me up....
I do have another question though....on a D20 T/C is 4L all the way to
floor???....the reason I ask is that I always thought it was, but I looking
for a replacement knob for the shifter and the one in the picture showed 4H,
2H, N, 4L....I called Four Wheeler Supply and Off-Road Unlimited and they
weren't 100% sure....again, thanx in advance....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
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12393 From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 2:20pm
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Tail light lens
TJ --
I own two Jeeps with D20 transfer cases. The one in my CJ came off
of a '79 CJ7 and from front to rear the shifter positions are 4H->2H-
>N->2L->4L (My guess is the 2L is only available after the shift
poppet is removed between the two shift rails.
On my '78 SJ the D20 has different linkage where 2H is completely
forward, N is one position back, 4H is another position back, and 4L
is over (right) and up.
Hope it helps ...
Jeff
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "T.J. Nosmo-King" <ice626@h...> wrote:
> Wow!! what great service....they had the part and when I told the
woman I
> was in Mesa, she said she could send it to me...I said great and
started
> pulling out my Visa to pay for it....she said she'd just stick the
bill in
> the package and I could mail the check when I got the parts....when
have you
> EVER heard of a company trusting someone like that???....Statewide
4WD has a
> new loyal customer....thanx again Mike for hooking me up....
>
> I do have another question though....on a D20 T/C is 4L all the way
to
> floor???....the reason I ask is that I always thought it was, but I
looking
> for a replacement knob for the shifter and the one in the picture
showed 4H,
> 2H, N, 4L....I called Four Wheeler Supply and Off-Road Unlimited
and they
> weren't 100% sure....again, thanx in advance....
>
> TJ Gill
> 75 CJ5
> You will do something stupid everyday of your life. If you cannot
find
> something stupid to do on your own, you will be ordered to do
something
> stupid.
>
>
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12394 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 10:43am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 284
Regarding the clutch upgrade. I had questions about that myself. I directed
them to Steve, who manages the shop at 4 wheelers supply. His response to me
was to stay with a stock clutch; says he has seen them smoke, and then given
30 minutes they would work fine, whereas he said most of the aftermarket
clutches if smoked would leave you stranded.
Just my two cents.
John Butler
12395 From: <dunk95@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 4:46pm
Subject: For sale: TJ/XJ Radio
My wife is selling a stereo out of a 98 XJ. AM/FM Cassette, like new
will fit 97+ XJ or TJ. 50.00 obo
12396 From: Todd Jaramillo <todd.jaramillo@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 4:54pm
Subject: TJ Lift
Hi gang,
Does anyone out there have any recommendations for a cheap 2-3" lift for a TJ? Thanks.
12397 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 5:13pm
Subject: RE: NEEDED: Tail light lens
>Wow!! what great service....they had the part and when I told the woman I
>was in Mesa, she said she could send it to me...I said great and started
>pulling out my Visa to pay for it....she said she'd just stick the bill in
>the package and I could mail the check when I got the parts....when have
you
>EVER heard of a company trusting someone like that???....Statewide 4WD has
a
>new loyal customer....thanx again Mike for hooking me up....
Actually, I have done a fair amount of business with a small 4x4 shop in OK,
ran by owner Bob Supplee. Several orders ago, wires got crossed and Bob
sent me an order. He thought I would be sending him a check. I thought he
had billed it to my credit card, which he had always done before and had the
info available. There was no "you owe me bill" with the parts.
About 6 weeks go by and I call up Bob to order some more parts. After
confirming they would be in the mail later that day, he asked me when I
might be sending him the check for the last order. We cleared that up with
two postings to my credit card for that day.
The guy is a real honest fellow. He believes in customer service. No, he
doesn't have a web site or a catalog (cheaper prices that way). Besides
that, he ships for free and his prices are almost always the lowest ones you
can find. You can get him at 405-799-8977. Don't call him right now since
he is on a well deserved vacation and won't be back for about another 7 days
or so. If you call him, tell him Stu from Phoenix says HI.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
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12398 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 5:28pm
Subject: RE: TJ Lift
Don't know what cheap is to you so I'll pass along a couple of options.
The cheapest lift is probably a Tera Budget Boost or the equivalent from Rubicon Express. They both make a 2" spring spacer lift. The spacers slip up on top of your coil springs and raise your chassis a couple of inches. Add some longer shocks and you are pretty much ready to go. You will also want some method by which to disconnect your front sway bar while off-roading, so you have some good flex up front.
Up from the spacer lift comes a modest 2" suspension lift. These will give you taller springs (no spacers needed). Longer shocks are needed for these as well. These usually come with a rear trac-bar relocation bracket, to help keep your rear axle properly centered under your vehicle. Several companies, including the ones previously mentioned, make lifts in this range.
Either of the above type of lifts may induce some rear driveshaft vibrations on your vehicle. If so, you can simply lower your t-case skid about 1/2" to 1" to reduce/eliminate the vibrations. There are other methods available to do this but this is by far the cheapest.
Next come the 3" and up lifts. These lifts usually require more parts to be replaced so that everything works well together. Lower control arms, slip yoke eliminators and CV drive shaft kits, etc.
Hope this helps some.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Jaramillo [mailto:todd.jaramillo@agra.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 4:54 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ Lift
Hi gang,
Does anyone out there have any recommendations for a cheap 2-3" lift for a TJ? Thanks.
12399 From: Ralph Williams <ralph@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
I am pretty sure the one you are talking about had a Perkins in
it.
Ralph
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> There was a diesel powered CJ in the PHX ARCA event. Don't know if it
> was the B3.9.
> Linda
>
> Daver wrote:
> >
> > "Chris R." wrote:
> > > Got this one from 4 Bangers United, the numbers are just too awesome!!!
> > > > http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/b39.cfm
> >
> > I laugh. Ha. Ha ha.
> >
> > 130hp 330lb-ft?
> >
> > Bump up to the inline six, and get 300hp 920lb-ft.
> > http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/c83.cfm
> >
> > Did you know that the new 1600cc 4banger Hondas (civic si) are getting
> > 160hp _bone stock_ (no turbo/super chargers or anything) ?
> >
> > (Yes, I said 1600cc inline 4 160hp bone stock.)
> >
> > Pretty amazing.
> >
> > Of course, the torque isn't there (111 lb-ft@7000rpm), power _starts_ at
> > 4000RPM, peak power close to 8000RPM.
12400 From: Mike & Anita Chatfield <mchat@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 5:54pm
Subject: [TR] Sat, Sep 9
Hey All,
I'd like to get out of the city a bit this Saturday, but don't have
any solid plans on where to go. I have a couple of thoughts:
1. South West of Wickenburg is a trail that runs to the top of the
Harquahala Mountains. Looks to be an interesting 3.5(+) or 4.0(-)
trail. This is a loop trail so vehicles can be trailered to the trail
head.
2. I know Crown King has been done to death, but I'd thought about
getting up early and getting on top of the mountain before lunch and
then do some exploring. There is a trail that runs from Battleship
Butte across Johnson Flat to Palace Station I'd like to check out.
This trail will come out somewhere near Prescott. Rating around 3.0
- 3.5.
3. Do some exploring up in the Prescott Nat Forest, maybe near
Potato Patch. 3.0 - 3.5(+?)
4. Do some playing at the old P4W Ranch area until about noon and
then head over to Lake Pleasant to cool off. The ranch has something
for everyone..
5. Run Turkey Creek, possibly there will be running water which will
definitely make it more interesting. Solid 3.5 trail when dry.
6. I've never been on FR42... Which also may have been done to
death, but having an option of stopping somewhere there is water is a
good thing this time of the year. I believe this is rated around a
3.5.
7. I've volunteered to lead either Powerline Trail (3.5+) or Jack
Handle (3.5) for the Jamboree, but have yet to actually run this
trail. I need to run these sometime between now and then so at least
I know where they are.
I'd prefer to do something in the mountains where it will be cooler.
If anyone has an interest in running one of these this weekend, let
me know and I'll throw something together.
- Mike Chatfield
12401 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:13pm
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Tail light lens
Sounds Like Ann, her and Earl are good people. I've done business with them
since High School. Earl use to be big into Jeeps, mostly War models, His
hobby kinda took a detour into really odd stuff, like Amphibious craft and
such. Hard to believe, but he drove the entire North American continent in a
Stock War II model Jeep..... all the way into Alaska! (These Jeeps had a 1"
pad for a seat,which sat on top of the gas tank..)
I still stop by and talk to Ann from time to time. I think they are
looking to retire, at least that was the impression I got last time I was
in. You ought to stop in and see them sometime, they have got allot of
restoration items that are hard to find.
Speaking of hard to find, Good people sure are hard to find these days....
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: "T.J. Nosmo-King" <ice626@h...>
To: <mike@m...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] NEEDED: Tail light lens
> Wow!! what great service....they had the part and when I told the woman I
> was in Mesa, she said she could send it to me...I said great and started
> pulling out my Visa to pay for it....she said she'd just stick the bill in
> the package and I could mail the check when I got the parts....when have
you
> EVER heard of a company trusting someone like that???....Statewide 4WD has
a
> new loyal customer....thanx again Mike for hooking me up....
>
> I do have another question though....on a D20 T/C is 4L all the way to
> floor???....the reason I ask is that I always thought it was, but I
looking
> for a replacement knob for the shifter and the one in the picture showed
4H,
> 2H, N, 4L....I called Four Wheeler Supply and Off-Road Unlimited and they
> weren't 100% sure....again, thanx in advance....
>
> TJ Gill
> 75 CJ5
> You will do something stupid everyday of your life. If you cannot find
> something stupid to do on your own, you will be ordered to do something
> stupid.
>
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12402 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:38pm
Subject: All is right in the universe
With the help of Keith Auble, Mike Anderson, (AZVJC) and Rob (Vermin) I
pulled an all niter last night on the Jeep and got it running again. Just so
happens, I was sent to Yuma today for work, My Jeep, sensing this, followed
me on the trailer all the way there, and demanded I drive it around the
dunes. Not wanting to upset the Jeep, I had to oblige..... Nothing quite
like the full tilt boogie!!
Going slow is ok and all, but something about fresh dune and the smell of
Jet fuel....
I'm working this weekend, and I got a few paybacks to take care of, but I
should be up for a run shortly.
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
12403 From: Mike <mchat@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:36pm
Subject: FW: [TR] Sat, Sep 9
For those interested, looks like we are planning on getting up fairly early. Lake Pleasant to Crown King; we should be in Crown King well before noon, then well do some exploring on the Prescott side of the mountains; the trail Im wanting to find goes from Battleship Butte to Palace Station.
Here is the map.
You'll see Battleship Butte in the lower left. Follow the trail that runs up the middle of the map to Johnson Flat then over to Crooks Canyon. The trail then runs up Crooks Canyon to Palace Station. There is also another trail that runs to the right, but comes out in the same area. Both run up Crooks Canyon until it hits the main Forest Road; this intersection is Palace Station.
Map
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/printimage.asp?S=14&T=2&X=114&Y=1187
- Mike
12404 From: Ray B <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 9:19pm
Subject: [Fwd: Fwd:]
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12405 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 10:42pm
Subject: Re: HELLO I NEED SOME ADVICE
For offroad the Trac Loc isn't worth the cost of installing it. Go with
the Lockrite, EZLocker, Gearless locker or if you have big money the
Nospin or Detroit Locker.
chad jones wrote:
>
> HI EVERYBODY
>
> I'M NEW TO THE GROUP AND AM LOOKING FOR SOME HELP. JUST TO INTRODUCE
> MYSELF I'LL TELL WHAT I DRIVE. I DRIVE A 73' JEEP COMMANDO. IT HAS A SIX
> INCH SPRING OVER AXLE LIFT. I HAVE THE 232 I-6, AND A T-14 TRANSMISSION. I
> HAVE A DANA 30 UP FRONT AND A DANA 44 IN THE REAR WITH 3:73 GEARS. I AM
> RUNNING 30 X 11.5 SUPER SWAMPERS AND I ALSO HAVE AN 8000 POUND WINCH.
> I AM HAPPY WITH MY SETUP BUT NOW I WANT TO GET A LOCKER FOR THE REAR. I
> WAS WONDERING IF A FACTORY LIMITED SLIP TRAC LOC OUT OF A 98 TJ THAT HAS A
> DANA 44 AND 3:73 GEARS WILL BOLT RIGHT IN, OR WOULD I BE BETTER OFF GETTING
> A LOCKRITE.
> I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW WHERE A GOOD PLACE TO GET A DROP PITMAN ARM WOULD
> BE.
> ANY INFO I GET IS MUCH APPRECIATED AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS IN
> ADVANCE.
>
> CHAD JONES
>
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12406 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 0:20am
Subject: 4.5 RE coils from ToyBox
To those who may have read my posting to Rags last week about the
probability of a bad coil sent by RE, I was WRONG!! It was my stupidity and
bad mechanics that brought this out. After closer inspection of the problem,
It was found that I had installed the lift in the front wrong. I have done
this many times before and didn't think it possible. But it is the little
things that get overlooked. It was my error and early post to Rags that made
this announcement. It was not meant to spur any bad feeling or in NO WAY
make ToyBox look bad. ToyBox has done nothing but the best in every way
possible from Price to Service and beyond. My post was intended for Rags
only for information and possible help, and not a complaint. Again I want to
encourage you all to give Jay at ToyBox an opportunity to show you the best
in what a Vendor can offer customers. You will NOT be
dissatisfied!!!!!!!!!!!!! My lift is now at 7" with the RE ZJ 4.5 coils
which I bought through Jay at ToyBox Off-Road, and I a VERY SATISFIED....
Thank you Jay..............
Casper
12407 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 0:19am
Subject: Fwd: Driving Force - September 2000, Email Edition
(SEMA) "Driving Force" newsletter very usefull info..
Dave
>From: "Brian Caudill" <brianc@s...>
>To: <brianc@s...>
>Subject: Driving Force - September 2000, Email Edition
>Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:35:59 -0400
>
>Below is the September 2000 email edition of the Specialty Equipment Market
>Association's (SEMA) "Driving Force" newsletter. As always, feel free to
>reprint any or all of the information contained within it. All we ask is
>for attribution if you choose to do so. If you need any additional
>background please do not hesitate to contact me.
>If you do not wish to receive any future editions of the email Driving
>Force, please respond to this email with "remove" and we will delete your
>email address from our list.
>Brian Caudill, Editor
>SEMA Action Network
>1317 F Street, NW, Suite 500
>Washington, DC 20004
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>202-783-6024 fax
>brianc@s...
>
>
>
>Supreme Court To Review EPA's Clean Air Standards
>
>This fall, the U.S. Supreme Court will review the U.S. Environmental
>Protection Agency's (EPA) tightened clean air standards to determine if the
>agency had justification for developing the regulations which establish
>tough new particulate matter and ozone limits. The Court will also consider
>whether EPA should have considered costs to the industry when they issued
>the regulations. EPA has historically not been required to consider such
>costs. Last year, a lower court found EPA had not demonstrated sound
>justification for the regulations. The EPA appealed this decision.
>Tightened air quality standards will naturally lead to EPA to increase the
>air quality targets required of individual states and localities. For the
>automobile hobbyist, this will inevitably mean more enhanced emissions
>testing programs, like the I/M 240 test, and an increased emphasis on
>questionable vehicle scrappage programs.
>
>SEMA Executive VP Chris Kersting commented, "The EPA practice of issuing
>pollution standards that lack scientific backing has gone unchecked for too
>long. We look forward to the Supreme Court's decision, hoping it will
>establish an important precedent to limiting the agency's power under the
>Clean Air Act, as well as establishing an important standard or
>responsibility for the EPA and other federal agencies."
>
>Feds Propose "Rollover" Rating System
>The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently
>released
>a proposed rollover rating system for passenger cars, light trucks and
>SUVs.
>The rating system will be determined by dividing one-half of a vehicle's
>track width by the height of the center of gravity. NHTSA will convert the
>resulting number, called the "static stability factor," into a 5-star
>rollover rating scale-more stars will supposedly mean greater tendency to
>roll. Given this single measurement, naturally, taller and narrower
>vehicles
>will have fewer stars than shorter and wider vehicles.
>Consumers, SEMA and the automakers have serious concerns about the
>proposal.
>Brian Caudill, SEMA director of outreach and public affairs, noted, "This
>rating system is ill-advised and very likely deceptive. Consumers may
>expect a low rating to mean lower rollover incidents. However, NHTSA data
>shows that other factors like driver behavior, road conditions and
>inclement
>weather are overwhelmingly more to blame for real-world rollovers." The
>rating system also fails to take into account specialized vehicle stability
>features like enhanced suspension systems and stability control systems now
>available on many automobiles. NHTSA currently has two other star-rating
>systems for frontal and side-impact crash tests. NHTSA wants the rollover
>ratings to go into effect for model year 2001 cars and trucks.
>
>California's Rolling Smog Check Exemption Remains in Jeopardy
>An amended bill to repeal the rolling Smog Check exemption in California
>for
>cars 30 years old and older and replace it with a static exemption for
>pre-1975 vehicles continues to move through the California legislature. The
>bill also provides for a SEMA-supported emissions certification and
>model-year designation for certain "homebuilt" cars and allows these
>vehicles to be resold.
>The rolling 30-year exemption was enacted in 1997 with the overwhelming
>support of SEMA and California car clubs. As each year passes, the
>exemption
>"rolls" forward to cover another model year. The California Air Resources
>Board, disappointed by the fact that Smog Check is missing promised
>emissions reductions by about 40 percent, is leading the fight to repeal
>the
>rolling exemption.
>"SEMA and the car clubs had been assured that the bill would be amended in
>the Senate to also exempt pre-1975 vehicles from remote sensing and
>roadside
>emissions testing programs and provide for a collector vehicle exemption
>from Smog Check regardless of model year," SEMA Director of Government and
>Technical Affairs Steve McDonald said. "At this point, the bill does not
>carry these provisions. Working with bill sponsor Sen. Maurice Johannessen
>and his staff, we have begun efforts to further amend the bill to restore
>the 30-year rolling exemption."
>
>California Ups the Ante for Crushing Cars
>California's state Department of Consumer Affairs (DCA) is the latest
>California agency to ignore the fact that scrappage is a flawed, unfair and
>ineffective program by initiating yet another car-crusher program. The
>Department's Consumer Assistance Program will pay motorists $1,000 for
>scrapping their vehicles despite the fact that scrappage programs fail to
>produce any verifiable pollution benefits and, naturally, rob hobbyists of
>parts-cars and future restoration projects. Qualified consumers may also
>receive up to $500 in emissions-related repairs. The goal of the DCA's
>program is to repair or retire 50,000 major polluters during the next 4
>years. When you combine this figure with the California Air Resources
>Board's stated goal of scrapping 100,000 cars per year for 10 years in its
>own scrappage program, the results are frightening and disappointing to
>low-income drivers, automobile hobbyists and the specialty aftermarket.
>SEMA recently met with Department officials to discuss incorporating
>VOLUNTARY emissions system repair and upgrade into this program, using
>newer-technology catalytic converters. SEMA has consistently advocated
>VOLUNTARY repair and upgrade as a more viable and cost-effective
>alternative
>to scrapping cars and will continue to do so.
>
>Introducing SEMA's New Web Site: enjoythedrive.com
>By Sue Elliott-Sink
>SEMA recently launched a new consumer web site, enjoythedrive.com, as part
>of its Consumer Awareness Program. The content-rich site is divided into
>two
>sections: the "enthusiast" zone (at www.enjoythedrive.com/enthusiast) and
>the "mainstream consumer" zone (www.enjoythedrive.com). The mainstream
>section is an introduction to the specialty parts and accessories market,
>with lots of info on products for parents, outdoor enthusiasts, commuters,
>Generation X and Yers and other folks who likely have never set foot in a
>speed shop. It's a big part of SEMA's efforts to broaden the market for its
>members' products-and to help bring closet-enthusiasts into our hobby.
>There's even a cool Internet Accessorizer in development that will let
>folks
>"test drive" products on their vehicles to see if they would like to add a
>spoiler, running boards or other accessories. A simple, early-stage version
>of this interactive customizer is online now and accessible from the
>mainstream home page.
>Of course, SEMA could never ignore the enthusiasts who have made our hobby
>and industry as great as it is today. That's why there's a special section
>of the web site called "for enthusiasts only."
>From the enthusiast home page, you can keep tabs on SAN (SEMA Action
>Network) issues and check out back issues of Driving Force by following the
>"Legislator Watch" link (or you can go directly to
>www.enjoythedrive.com/san).
>You also can promote your car club and its events on the site. SEMA has
>partnered with hemmings.com, so visitors to enjoythedrive.com can search
>through Hemmings' immense car club and event databases and post information
>quickly and easily.
>The enthusiast section of the site also includes an "Ask The Experts"
>service. SEMA members are experts on an incredibly diverse array of
>automotive topics, so someone is sure to have the answer to your question.
>Want to communicate with other enthusiasts? There are several discussion
>groups for enthusiasts only. Plus, there are articles filled with tech tips
>and how-to information, and a "Gallery of Cars" where you can post an image
>and some info on your pride and joy.
>Another handy service is a searchable database of SEMA manufacturers. We
>also are putting together a database of SEMA retailers (both local shops
>and
>online and mail-order businesses), which will make it easy to find parts
>and
>services when you need them.
>We encourage you to check out enjoythedrive.com and let us know what you
>think. And while you're at it, why not send your spouses and kids online,
>too. The web site just might help them understand why you spend so much
>time
>out in the garage-and so much money on that ride in the driveway.
>
>Wheels of Time Street Rod Association Inc.: Heart in the Community
>By Erin Mulholland
>The Wheels of Time Street Rod Association is a small, unassuming group of
>approximately 80 to 100 individual members who produce one main Jamboree
>event the third week in August of each year. The Rod & Custom Jamboree,
>small by many standards, limits entries to 2,300 cars, however, nothing
>about this event or group can be measured by sheer numbers. Instead, you
>must look to the oversized heart of the Wheels of Time members who return
>an
>annual average of $50,000 to local charitable organizations and college
>students attending automotive programs in Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley.
>"We're big on charities," said long-time member Mike Kramer.
>Wheels of Time started in an unheated garage in the winter of 1977 and 77
>members have worked hard to make this one of the premier clubs in the
>nation. Kramer, who owns a '35 Chevy two-door sedan and works on Wheels of
>Time legislative concerns, reports a whopping 100,000 spectators attend the
>annual Jamboree. The 3-day event includes music, raffles, activities for
>adults and children alike, a poker run, parade, canned food drive, bingo,
>Chinese auction, craft show and auto flea market, just to name a few of the
>attractions. Families come from all over the Eastern seaboard, and there is
>a waiting list of many thousands of 'participant hopefuls' hoping for an
>opportunity to be more than mere spectators.
>It was the charitable work of Wheels of Time that caught the eyes and ears
>of Hemmings Motor News' Joyce Held, who worked with Kramer in May to submit
>the Wheels of Time for Hemmings' prestigious Hobby Hero Awards in the car
>club category.
>At this year's July Media Motor Show-hosted in Bennington, Vt., by Hemmings
>Motor News-Bill Ingraham and his wife Sally attended to accept the award
>presented to the Wheels of Time Street Rod Association. Along with a
>certificate of appreciation, each awardee is provided a $1,000 cash award.
>In the continued spirit of giving to its community, the Wheels of Time
>donated its cash award to Camelot for Children, an organization in
>Allentown, Pa.
>The Media Motor Show was a delight for Bill Ingraham to attend. "They
>treated us first class," he said. The small New England town that played
>host to the event was an exceptional background for the Hemmings-sponsored
>ride and drive through the countryside for the Hobby Hero award winners and
>media. Ingraham, who drove a '33 Plymouth Roadster, said Hemmings' fleet of
>collector vehicles were set out for all to not only look at, but to drive
>as
>they pleased. "I was like a kid in a candy store," exclaimed Ingraham, who
>clearly had the time of his life.
>Since 1994, Hemmings Motor News has recognized individuals and
>organizations
>that enhance the collector car hobby by raising funds for charitable
>causes,
>or by promoting awareness and education of the car hobby. Nominations
>close
>in May for Hobby Hero categories of museums, individuals, businesses,
>organizations and car clubs that have helped to strengthen and promote the
>hobby. Hemmings' web site, www.hemmings.com, provides links to the
>nomination forms beginning in March each year. Hemmings also provides free
>web site hosting for all car clubs. Simply click on the Car Club Central
>button, then go to "About Car Club Central" for information on how to add
>your car club's web site, or call them toll-free at 800/Car-Here
>(227-4373),
>exts. 599, 644, 660 or 665.
>
>
>WE GET LETTERS
>
>Cautionary Advice About Charitable Involvement
>
>Many car clubs donate revenue generated during club-sponsored events to
>nonprofit organizations. Our club, the Houston Mopar Connection Club
>(HMCC),
>has donated many thousands of dollars over the years to the Houston Food
>Bank as a result of our annual Houston Mopar Show & Race. (See
>http://www.houstonmopars.org/events.html for this year's show dates.)
>
>Yet, it is clear that some of these nonprofits are actively seeking
>"donations" of "old cars" in exchange for tax write-offs. Usually these
>vehicles go directly to a junkyard; many are evidently crushed before any
>valuable parts are saved and recycled. Clubs may want to reconsider
>donating
>to nonprofits that actively promote such cars for tax write-off promotions.
>
>Gary Hamel,
>Houston Mopar Connection Club
>
>
>VOLUNTARY Repair and Upgrade Draws Comment
>
>At a recent meeting of the Southwest Virginia Car Council, members
>discussed
>the importance of the SEMA Action Network (SAN). Everyone is thankful to
>SEMA for its timely and informative legislative updates. There is no doubt
>SEMA is a great ally to the hobby. However, it did not go unnoticed that
>the
>August edition of Driving Force contained a letter from Mr. Bill Buck of
>Arizona, which applauds upgrade or retrofit of emission systems as an
>alternative to scrappage.
>
>We believe that there should always be fallback positions in the event
>scrappage legislation cannot be defeated entirely. Trade-offs are often
>necessary to negotiation, but retrofit and upgrade should be used only as a
>last resort. Repair should be the trade-off alternative to scrappage.
>Retrofit and upgrade will likely lead to the governmental incrementalism to
>which we have grown accustomed. Government will always want us to do more.
>States rights are falling daily only to be replaced by overriding federal
>laws. We may soon be forced to fight national scrappage legislation. Let's
>not give away the store without a fight.
>
>Mr. Buck suggests, " We truly hope other states can put together a similar
>program....and keep our pride and joys on the roadways." Our group says
>thanks but NO thanks. Rather than giving in bit-by-bit to ill-informed
>legislators and special interest groups, we should start educating them and
>stand against scrappage and the trading of pollution credits, period!
>Scrappage bills can be fought if we all work together. If we must trade-off
>something, let's offer repair-not retrofit-because the latter leaves us
>little room to maneuver in the future.
>Tom Cox, President,
>Southwest Virginia Car Council
>
>
>I absolutely love what SEMA does for the hobby. But you've got to be more
>careful on this repair/upgrade/retrofit topic. We know the EPA is going to
>make it necessary for states to clean their air, and we know that this
>means
>states are, more and more, going to look at scrappage programs. This is the
>unfortunate reality. But when you talk about any "upgrade" program it
>scares
>the daylights out of auto restorers! No hobbyist with a perfectly restored
>car, like my 1960 Chevy, wants to hear about putting an "upgrade" on their
>car!
>
>You guys need to be clearer: Emphasize the fact that repair/upgrade
>programs
>are necessary only when it becomes obvious that the only other alternative
>is crushing cars. Emphasize that repair/upgrade programs are VOLUNTARY and
>that classic car owners will not be forced to upgrade their cars. Emphasize
>that 25-year emissions exemptions, like we have in California and like the
>one in Virginia, are a perfect way of nullifying this whole argument.
>It only takes a couple extra sentences in your articles to tell the whole
>story and to avoid confusion. This is my unsolicited advice.
>Pete Mascara,
>Road Dogs Club, California
>
>Editor's Note: Our thanks to Tom Cox for his comments on
>legislative/regulatory strategy (we agree) and to Pete Mascara for his
>"unsolicited," but insightful, advice on how SEMA presents information.
>(We'll do our best.) - Ed.
>ARIZONA
>o Sept. 16-17, Jerome
>10th Annual Jerome Jamboree
>Sponsor: Arizona Bus Club
>Information: 623/877-8960
>CALIFORNIA
>o Sept. 9, Yorba Linda
>Club Picnic
>Sponsor: Orange County Mustang Club
>Information: 714/834-1065
>o Sept. 9-10, Sonoma
>11th Fall Classic Nostalgia Drags
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>o Sept. 16, Irwindale
>2nd Annual Buick Car Show
>Sponsor: Buick Grand National Racing Association
>Information: 912/244-0577
>o Sept. 23, Irvine
>Cruise for the Cure
>Sponsor: South Orange County Rods and Customs Club
>Information: 949/588-8777
>o Sept. 23, San Diego
>Fall Classic Car Show
>Sponsor: Camaro Club of San Diego
>Information: www.caam.com/ccsd
>COLORADO
>o Sept. 8-10, Colorado Springs
>3rd Annual Colorado Classic
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>DELAWARE
>o Sept. 14-17, Rehobeth
>Beachball 2000
>Sponsor: Lambda Car Club International
>Information: www.lambdacarclub.net
>GEORGIA
>o Sept. 21-24, Stone Mountain
>International Convention
>Sponsor: Vintage Thunderbird
>Club International
>ILLINOIS
>o Sept. 10, St. Charles
>30th Annual Midwest Antique Car Show
>Sponsor: Model T Ford Club
>International, Midwest Chapter Information: 815/356-9918
>INDIANA
>o Sept. 23-24, Galveston
>Super Sept. Event
>Sponsor: National Council of Corvette Clubs
>Information: 219/784-2991
>IOWA
>o Sept. 22-23, Cedar Rapids
>21st Annual Quad City Meet
>Sponsor: Oldsmobile Club of Iowa
>Information: 515/363-4339
>MARYLAND
>o Sept. 10, Glen Burnie
>Boy Scout Benefit Car Show
>Sponsor: Lost in the 50's Custom Car Club
>Information: 410/768-0872
>MICHIGAN
>o Sept. 15-17, Kalamazoo
>21st Annual Street Rod Nationals North
>Sponsor: National Street Rod Association
>Information: 303/776-7841
>MINNESOTA
>o Sept. 8, Park Rapids
>Fall Campout
>Sponsor: Minnesota Street Rod Association
>Information: 218/732-5668
>o Sept. 10, Inver Grove Heights
>Star City Days Car Show
>Sponsor: Medallions Car Club
>Information: 651/455-7320
>o Sept. 17, Hugo
>12th Annual Pig Roast
>Sponsor: Northern Lights Car Club
>Information: rjford@a...
>MISSOURI
>o Sept. 3-Oct.1, St. Charles
>Route 66 Motor Tours
>Sponsor: American Road House Car Club
>Information: 636/936-1729
>NEVADA
>o Sept. 28-Oct. 1, Laughlin
>9th Annual Roddin' on the River
>Sponsor: The River Cruizers
>Information: 520/768-2197
>NEW MEXICO
>o Sept. 30-Oct. 1, Albuquerque
>Corvette Funkhana, Rallye and Autocross
>Sponsor: New Mexico Corvette Association
>Information: 505/883-4387
>NEW YORK
>o Sept. 15-17, Rhinebeck
>9th Annual East Coast Nationals
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>OHIO
>o Sept. 8-10, Springfield
>11th Annual IH Scout and Light Truck Nationals
>Sponsor: Scout and International Motor Truck Association
>Information: 937/525-9781
>OKLAHOMA
>o Sept. 15-16, Tulsa
>21st Annual Show and Swap Meet
>Sponsor: Green Country Classic Mustangs
>Information: 918/367-3758
>OREGON
>o Sept. 23, Lyda Camp
>Cruisin' the Woods 2000
>Sponsor: Cascade Cruisers 4WD Club
>Information: 360/891-8157
>PENNSYLVANIA
>o Sept. 28-Oct. 1, Carlisle
>Fall Carlisle
>Sponsor: Carlisle Productions
>Information: 717/249-0455
>TEXAS
>o Sept. 30-Oct. 1, Fort Worth
>8th Lone Star Nationals
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>VERMONT
>o Sept. 22-24, Burlington
>7th Annual Northeast Street Rod Nationals
>Sponsor: National Street Rod Association
>Information: 724/932-3747
>WASHINGTON
>o Sept. 23, Pierce County
>Off-Road Swap Meet
>Sponsor: White Knuckle 4x4s
>Information: 253/536-8381
>Supreme Court To Review EPA's Clean Air Standards
>
>This fall, the U.S. Supreme Court will review the U.S. Environmental
>Protection Agency's (EPA) tightened clean air standards to determine if the
>agency had justification for developing the regulations which establish
>tough new particulate matter and ozone limits. The Court will also consider
>whether EPA should have considered costs to the industry when they issued
>the regulations. EPA has historically not been required to consider such
>costs. Last year, a lower court found EPA had not demonstrated sound
>justification for the regulations. The EPA appealed this decision.
>Tightened air quality standards will naturally lead to EPA to increase the
>air quality targets required of individual states and localities. For the
>automobile hobbyist, this will inevitably mean more enhanced emissions
>testing programs, like the I/M 240 test, and an increased emphasis on
>questionable vehicle scrappage programs.
>SEMA Executive VP Chris Kersting commented, "The EPA practice of issuing
>pollution standards that lack scientific backing has gone unchecked for too
>long. We look forward to the Supreme Court's decision, hoping it will
>establish an important precedent to limiting the agency's power under the
>Clean Air Act, as well as establishing an important standard or
>responsibility for the EPA and other federal agencies."
>
>Feds Propose "Rollover" Rating System
>The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently
>released
>a proposed rollover rating system for passenger cars, light trucks and
>SUVs.
>The rating system will be determined by dividing one-half of a vehicle's
>track width by the height of the center of gravity. NHTSA will convert the
>resulting number, called the "static stability factor," into a 5-star
>rollover rating scale-more stars will supposedly mean greater tendency to
>roll. Given this single measurement, naturally, taller and narrower
>vehicles
>will have fewer stars than shorter and wider vehicles.
>Consumers, SEMA and the automakers have serious concerns about the
>proposal.
>Brian Caudill, SEMA director of outreach and public affairs, noted, "This
>rating system is ill-advised and very likely deceptive. Consumers may
>expect a low rating to mean lower rollover incidents. However, NHTSA data
>shows that other factors like driver behavior, road conditions and
>inclement
>weather are overwhelmingly more to blame for real-world rollovers." The
>rating system also fails to take into account specialized vehicle stability
>features like enhanced suspension systems and stability control systems now
>available on many automobiles. NHTSA currently has two other star-rating
>systems for frontal and side-impact crash tests. NHTSA wants the rollover
>ratings to go into effect for model year 2001 cars and trucks.
>
>California's Rolling Smog Check Exemption Remains in Jeopardy
>An amended bill to repeal the rolling Smog Check exemption in California
>for
>cars 30 years old and older and replace it with a static exemption for
>pre-1975 vehicles continues to move through the California legislature. The
>bill also provides for a SEMA-supported emissions certification and
>model-year designation for certain "homebuilt" cars and allows these
>vehicles to be resold.
>The rolling 30-year exemption was enacted in 1997 with the overwhelming
>support of SEMA and California car clubs. As each year passes, the
>exemption
>"rolls" forward to cover another model year. The California Air Resources
>Board, disappointed by the fact that Smog Check is missing promised
>emissions reductions by about 40 percent, is leading the fight to repeal
>the
>rolling exemption.
>"SEMA and the car clubs had been assured that the bill would be amended in
>the Senate to also exempt pre-1975 vehicles from remote sensing and
>roadside
>emissions testing programs and provide for a collector vehicle exemption
>from Smog Check regardless of model year," SEMA Director of Government and
>Technical Affairs Steve McDonald said. "At this point, the bill does not
>carry these provisions. Working with bill sponsor Sen. Maurice Johannessen
>and his staff, we have begun efforts to further amend the bill to restore
>the 30-year rolling exemption."
>
>Introducing SEMA's New Web Site: enjoythedrive.com
>By Sue Elliott-Sink
>SEMA recently launched a new consumer web site, enjoythedrive.com, as part
>of its Consumer Awareness Program. The content-rich site is divided into
>two
>sections: the "enthusiast" zone (at www.enjoythedrive.com/enthusiast) and
>the "mainstream consumer" zone (www.enjoythedrive.com). The mainstream
>section is an introduction to the specialty parts and accessories market,
>with lots of info on products for parents, outdoor enthusiasts, commuters,
>Generation X and Yers and other folks who likely have never set foot in a
>speed shop. It's a big part of SEMA's efforts to broaden the market for its
>members' products-and to help bring closet-enthusiasts into our hobby.
>There's even a cool Internet Accessorizer in development that will let
>folks
>"test drive" products on their vehicles to see if they would like to add a
>spoiler, running boards or other accessories. A simple, early-stage version
>of this interactive customizer is online now and accessible from the
>mainstream home page.
>Of course, SEMA could never ignore the enthusiasts who have made our hobby
>and industry as great as it is today. That's why there's a special section
>of the web site called "for enthusiasts only."
>From the enthusiast home page, you can keep tabs on SAN (SEMA Action
>Network) issues and check out back issues of Driving Force by following the
>"Legislator Watch" link (or you can go directly to
>www.enjoythedrive.com/san).
>You also can promote your car club and its events on the site. SEMA has
>partnered with hemmings.com, so visitors to enjoythedrive.com can search
>through Hemmings' immense car club and event databases and post information
>quickly and easily.
>The enthusiast section of the site also includes an "Ask The Experts"
>service. SEMA members are experts on an incredibly diverse array of
>automotive topics, so someone is sure to have the answer to your question.
>Want to communicate with other enthusiasts? There are several discussion
>groups for enthusiasts only. Plus, there are articles filled with tech tips
>and how-to information, and a "Gallery of Cars" where you can post an image
>and some info on your pride and joy.
>Another handy service is a searchable database of SEMA manufacturers. We
>also are putting together a database of SEMA retailers (both local shops
>and
>online and mail-order businesses), which will make it easy to find parts
>and
>services when you need them.
>We encourage you to check out enjoythedrive.com and let us know what you
>think. And while you're at it, why not send your spouses and kids online,
>too. The web site just might help them understand why you spend so much
>time
>out in the garage-and so much money on that ride in the driveway.
>
>California Ups the Ante for Crushing Cars
>California's state Department of Consumer Affairs (DCA) is the latest
>California agency to ignore the fact that scrappage is a flawed, unfair and
>ineffective program by initiating yet another car-crusher program. The
>Department's Consumer Assistance Program will pay motorists $1,000 for
>scrapping their vehicles despite the fact that scrappage programs fail to
>produce any verifiable pollution benefits and, naturally, rob hobbyists of
>parts-cars and future restoration projects. Qualified consumers may also
>receive up to $500 in emissions-related repairs. The goal of the DCA's
>program is to repair or retire 50,000 major polluters during the next 4
>years. When you combine this figure with the California Air Resources
>Board's stated goal of scrapping 100,000 cars per year for 10 years in its
>own scrappage program, the results are frightening and disappointing to
>low-income drivers, automobile hobbyists and the specialty aftermarket.
>SEMA recently met with Department officials to discuss incorporating
>VOLUNTARY emissions system repair and upgrade into this program, using
>newer-technology catalytic converters. SEMA has consistently advocated
>VOLUNTARY repair and upgrade as a more viable and cost-effective
>alternative
>to scrapping cars and will continue to do so.
>
>Wheels of Time Street Rod Association Inc.: Heart in the Community
>By Erin Mulholland
>The Wheels of Time Street Rod Association is a small, unassuming group of
>approximately 80 to 100 individual members who produce one main Jamboree
>event the third week in August of each year. The Rod & Custom Jamboree,
>small by many standards, limits entries to 2,300 cars, however, nothing
>about this event or group can be measured by sheer numbers. Instead, you
>must look to the oversized heart of the Wheels of Time members who return
>an
>annual average of $50,000 to local charitable organizations and college
>students attending automotive programs in Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley.
>We're big on charities," said long-time member Mike Kramer.
>Wheels of Time started in an unheated garage in the winter of 1977 and 77
>members have worked hard to make this one of the premier clubs in the
>nation. Kramer, who owns a '35 Chevy two-door sedan and works on Wheels of
>Time legislative concerns, reports a whopping 100,000 spectators attend the
>annual Jamboree. The 3-day event includes music, raffles, activities for
>adults and children alike, a poker run, parade, canned food drive, bingo,
>Chinese auction, craft show and auto flea market, just to name a few of the
>attractions. Families come from all over the Eastern seaboard, and there is
>a waiting list of many thousands of 'participant hopefuls' hoping for an
>opportunity to be more than mere spectators.
>It was the charitable work of Wheels of Time that caught the eyes and ears
>of Hemmings Motor News' Joyce Held, who worked with Kramer in May to submit
>the Wheels of Time for Hemmings' prestigious Hobby Hero Awards in the car
>club category.
>At this year's July Media Motor Show-hosted in Bennington, Vt., by Hemmings
>Motor News-Bill Ingraham and his wife Sally attended to accept the award
>presented to the Wheels of Time Street Rod Association. Along with a
>certificate of appreciation, each awardee is provided a $1,000 cash award.
>In the continued spirit of giving to its community, the Wheels of Time
>donated its cash award to Camelot for Children, an organization in
>Allentown, Pa.
>The Media Motor Show was a delight for Bill Ingraham to attend. "They
>treated us first class," he said. The small New England town that played
>host to the event was an exceptional background for the Hemmings-sponsored
>ride and drive through the countryside for the Hobby Hero award winners and
>media. Ingraham, who drove a '33 Plymouth Roadster, said Hemmings' fleet of
>collector vehicles were set out for all to not only look at, but to drive
>as
>they pleased. "I was like a kid in a candy store," exclaimed Ingraham, who
>clearly had the time of his life.
>Since 1994, Hemmings Motor News has recognized individuals and
>organizations
>that enhance the collector car hobby by raising funds for charitable
>causes,
>or by promoting awareness and education of the car hobby. Nominations
>close
>in May for Hobby Hero categories of museums, individuals, businesses,
>organizations and car clubs that have helped to strengthen and promote the
>hobby. Hemmings' web site, www.hemmings.com, provides links to the
>nomination forms beginning in March each year. Hemmings also provides free
>web site hosting for all car clubs. Simply click on the Car Club Central
>button, then go to "About Car Club Central" for information on how to add
>your car club's web site, or call them toll-free at 800/Car-Here
>(227-4373),
>exts. 599, 644, 660 or 665.
>
>
>WE GET LETTERS
>
>Cautionary Advice About Charitable Involvement
>
>Many car clubs donate revenue generated during club-sponsored events to
>nonprofit organizations. Our club, the Houston Mopar Connection Club
>(HMCC),
>has donated many thousands of dollars over the years to the Houston Food
>Bank as a result of our annual Houston Mopar Show & Race. (See
>http://www.houstonmopars.org/events.html for this year's show dates.) Yet,
>it is clear that some of these nonprofits are actively seeking "donations"
>of "old cars" in exchange for tax write-offs. Usually these vehicles go
>directly to a junkyard; many are evidently crushed before any valuable
>parts are saved and recycled. Clubs may want to reconsider donating to
>nonprofits that actively promote such cars for tax write-off promotions.
>
>Gary Hamel,
>Houston Mopar Connection Club
>
>
>VOLUNTARY Repair and Upgrade Draws Comment
>
>At a recent meeting of the Southwest Virginia Car Council, members
>discussed
>the importance of the SEMA Action Network (SAN). Everyone is thankful to
>SEMA for its timely and informative legislative updates. There is no doubt
>SEMA is a great ally to the hobby. However, it did not go unnoticed that
>the
>August edition of Driving Force contained a letter from Mr. Bill Buck of
>Arizona, which applauds upgrade or retrofit of emission systems as an
>alternative to scrappage.
>
>We believe that there should always be fallback positions in the event
>scrappage legislation cannot be defeated entirely. Trade-offs are often
>necessary to negotiation, but retrofit and upgrade should be used only as a
>last resort. Repair should be the trade-off alternative to scrappage.
>Retrofit and upgrade will likely lead to the governmental incrementalism to
>which we have grown accustomed. Government will always want us to do more.
>States rights are falling daily only to be replaced by overriding federal
>laws. We may soon be forced to fight national scrappage legislation. Let's
>not give away the store without a fight.
>
>Mr. Buck suggests, " We truly hope other states can put together a similar
>program....and keep our pride and joys on the roadways." Our group says
>thanks but NO thanks. Rather than giving in bit-by-bit to ill-informed
>legislators and special interest groups, we should start educating them and
>stand against scrappage and the trading of pollution credits, period!
>Scrappage bills can be fought if we all work together. If we must trade-off
>something, let's offer repair-not retrofit-because the latter leaves us
>little room to maneuver in the future.
>
>Tom Cox, President,
>Southwest Virginia Car Council
>
>
>I absolutely love what SEMA does for the hobby. But you've got to be more
>careful on this repair/upgrade/retrofit topic. We know the EPA is going to
>make it necessary for states to clean their air, and we know that this
>means
>states are, more and more, going to look at scrappage programs. This is the
>unfortunate reality. But when you talk about any "upgrade" program it
>scares
>the daylights out of auto restorers! No hobbyist with a perfectly restored
>car, like my 1960 Chevy, wants to hear about putting an "upgrade" on their
>car!
>
>You guys need to be clearer: Emphasize the fact that repair/upgrade
>programs
>are necessary only when it becomes obvious that the only other alternative
>is crushing cars. Emphasize that repair/upgrade programs are VOLUNTARY and
>that classic car owners will not be forced to upgrade their cars. Emphasize
>that 25-year emissions exemptions, like we have in California and like the
>one in Virginia, are a perfect way of nullifying this whole argument.
>It only takes a couple extra sentences in your articles to tell the whole
>story and to avoid confusion. This is my unsolicited advice.
>Pete Mascara, Road Dogs Club, California
>
>Editor's Note: Our thanks to Tom Cox for his comments on
>legislative/regulatory strategy (we agree) and to Pete Mascara for his
>"unsolicited," but insightful, advice on how SEMA presents information.
>(We'll do our best.) - Ed.
>
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12408 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 0:04am
Subject: ToyBox Off-Road!
To all the members,
For those of you looking for a reliable and honorable Vendor, I encourage
you to talk to Jay at ToyBox Off-Road. He is very honest and his word is
solid. He will sell you only the best and will not direct you in a false
direction. You will find that his prices are hard to beat. I found that I
could find no one with a better price than ToyBox. But even if his price was
a little higher, I would still go with him because of his standards. Those
of you who have been burned by other Vendors will appreciate this true
value. My high recommendation.....
TOYBOX OFF-ROAD!!!!!!!!!
thanks,
Casper
12409 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 0:04am
Subject: Challenger Cat Back Install Completed ... Thoughts ...
I am very happy with the cat back I installed this evening from Challenger.
Challenger is Off-road Unlimited's brand. It installed very quickly and
easily. About 35 minutes. I didn't want my opinion of whether or not I
gained power to be tainted by the sound so drove it before cutting off my
stock exhaust with ear protection (couldn't hear a thing) and took mental
note of acceleration and feel. After completing the install I threw on the
ear protection again and started it up, didn't feel any different, backed
out of the garage and took off down the street .. DEFINITE DIFFERENCE .. I
was very impressed at the noticeable power increase. I hope that it does
something for my MPG as well. It's got a deep throaty sound to it. Overall
impression .. excellent product at an excellent price. A+
12410 From: Jeff G <ZJDreams@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 6:09pm
Subject: Undoing a transfer case drop
Thanks to everyone who gave me advice on the SYE kit. I'm going to go ahead and tackle it myself. I have a new question though, the original owner dropped the t-case by putting spacers between the transfercase skid plate. Is there anything else people normally do when they drop these? Basically I'm just wondering what i have to do to get it back to the stock height. Thanks in advance,
Jeff
Working on brothers 92 YJ with the 4.0 and 5spd
12411 From: Mike Fogarty <madman_yj@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 3:53am
Subject: Used Winch
I'm going to go and look at a used winch this weekend.
The guy says that it is only 7 months old and only
used a few times. Its a Ramsey Pro Plus 9000..
Anything in particular that I should be looking at or
for???
Thanks,
Mad Man
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1993 YJ "Madness" 4.0 H.O. 5 speed Jeep Rating 223
7"+ Lift RE 4.5" Extreme Duty Lift 3" Body 35" Goodyears
4.11's with Detroit E-Z Locker, Confer Truss/Skid combo
Rancho RS9000's, custom exhaust, K&N Conical Filter setup
Herculined tub, High Lift, Optima Yellow Top, CB, Cell Phone
Nerf Bars, Full Safety Equipment, No Track or Sway Bars Xenon Flares
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12412 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 7:10am
Subject: Re: Undoing a transfer case drop
One thing to check is that, with a T-Case drop, it's recommended that the t-case shift linkage be relocated. It's possible that the original installer also installed a linkage relocation plate. If so, It'll be attached to the stock linkage bracket, on the inside of the tub tunnel. However, since this relocation is not always done, you may not have to worry about undoing it...but it's something to look for.
On the SYE - if cost is an issue, you could go with the RE SYE kit. It uses the stock output shaft, but requires that the shaft be cut, drilled and tapped. I had this set up for a while and it worked fine.
A better set up, though, would be to swap out the stock shaft w/ a heavy duty short shaft. There are a number of them available, but since I have no direct experience with them, perhaps there are others that can advise specifically on them.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff G
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:09 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Undoing a transfer case drop
Thanks to everyone who gave me advice on the SYE kit. I'm going to go ahead and tackle it myself. I have a new question though, the original owner dropped the t-case by putting spacers between the transfercase skid plate. Is there anything else people normally do when they drop these? Basically I'm just wondering what i have to do to get it back to the stock height. Thanks in advance,
Jeff
Working on brothers 92 YJ with the 4.0 and 5spd
12388 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 11:43am
Subject: Re: Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
Any of you know where I can find more information or aplications? Like if I
could use a SM420 behind any of those torque monsters???
thanks in advance
Jesus Chio
www.alloffroad.com
Free webpages
http://signup.alloffroad.com
My Eb project
www.alloffroad.com/chio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Luik" <linda.luik@m...>
To: "Daver" <daver@c...>
Cc: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
> There was a diesel powered CJ in the PHX ARCA event. Don't know if it
> was the B3.9.
> Linda
>
> Daver wrote:
> >
> > "Chris R." wrote:
> > > Got this one from 4 Bangers United, the numbers are just too
awesome!!!
> > > > http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/b39.cfm
> >
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12389 From: NAU88XJ <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 11:44am
Subject: does anybody have a YJ slip yoke?
I am getting ready to bump the lift up on my XJ and need a YJ slip yoke...Does anybody here have one that they aren't using due to a SYE or something?? I'm willing to pay, but I thought I might be able to get one for less than RE and other places want for one
thanks
Kevin
12390 From: Nosmo King <ice626@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 0:51pm
Subject: NEEDED: Tail light lens
Hi all...coming home from work yesterday, a tail light lens fell
off my jeep...I've called a couple of places and was told they don't
make/sell them anymore....would anyone out there happen to have a
spare lens for a 75 CJ5 (small round ones) laying around????...or
know where I might be able to get one....wouldn't want to get pulled
over for something so trivial....thanx in advance...tj
12391 From: Mike Connor <mike@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 1:03pm
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Tail light lens
Statewide 4WD has them...944-0396
Uncle Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nosmo King" <ice626@h...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:51 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] NEEDED: Tail light lens
> Hi all...coming home from work yesterday, a tail light lens fell
> off my jeep...I've called a couple of places and was told they don't
> make/sell them anymore....would anyone out there happen to have a
> spare lens for a 75 CJ5 (small round ones) laying around????...or
> know where I might be able to get one....wouldn't want to get pulled
> over for something so trivial....thanx in advance...tj
>
>
>
>
>
12392 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 6:46am
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Tail light lens
Wow!! what great service....they had the part and when I told the woman I
was in Mesa, she said she could send it to me...I said great and started
pulling out my Visa to pay for it....she said she'd just stick the bill in
the package and I could mail the check when I got the parts....when have you
EVER heard of a company trusting someone like that???....Statewide 4WD has a
new loyal customer....thanx again Mike for hooking me up....
I do have another question though....on a D20 T/C is 4L all the way to
floor???....the reason I ask is that I always thought it was, but I looking
for a replacement knob for the shifter and the one in the picture showed 4H,
2H, N, 4L....I called Four Wheeler Supply and Off-Road Unlimited and they
weren't 100% sure....again, thanx in advance....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
You will do something stupid everyday of your life. If you cannot find
something stupid to do on your own, you will be ordered to do something
stupid.
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12393 From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 2:20pm
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Tail light lens
TJ --
I own two Jeeps with D20 transfer cases. The one in my CJ came off
of a '79 CJ7 and from front to rear the shifter positions are 4H->2H-
>N->2L->4L (My guess is the 2L is only available after the shift
poppet is removed between the two shift rails.
On my '78 SJ the D20 has different linkage where 2H is completely
forward, N is one position back, 4H is another position back, and 4L
is over (right) and up.
Hope it helps ...
Jeff
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "T.J. Nosmo-King" <ice626@h...> wrote:
> Wow!! what great service....they had the part and when I told the
woman I
> was in Mesa, she said she could send it to me...I said great and
started
> pulling out my Visa to pay for it....she said she'd just stick the
bill in
> the package and I could mail the check when I got the parts....when
have you
> EVER heard of a company trusting someone like that???....Statewide
4WD has a
> new loyal customer....thanx again Mike for hooking me up....
>
> I do have another question though....on a D20 T/C is 4L all the way
to
> floor???....the reason I ask is that I always thought it was, but I
looking
> for a replacement knob for the shifter and the one in the picture
showed 4H,
> 2H, N, 4L....I called Four Wheeler Supply and Off-Road Unlimited
and they
> weren't 100% sure....again, thanx in advance....
>
> TJ Gill
> 75 CJ5
> You will do something stupid everyday of your life. If you cannot
find
> something stupid to do on your own, you will be ordered to do
something
> stupid.
>
>
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12394 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 10:43am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 284
Regarding the clutch upgrade. I had questions about that myself. I directed
them to Steve, who manages the shop at 4 wheelers supply. His response to me
was to stay with a stock clutch; says he has seen them smoke, and then given
30 minutes they would work fine, whereas he said most of the aftermarket
clutches if smoked would leave you stranded.
Just my two cents.
John Butler
12395 From: <dunk95@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 4:46pm
Subject: For sale: TJ/XJ Radio
My wife is selling a stereo out of a 98 XJ. AM/FM Cassette, like new
will fit 97+ XJ or TJ. 50.00 obo
12396 From: Todd Jaramillo <todd.jaramillo@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 4:54pm
Subject: TJ Lift
Hi gang,
Does anyone out there have any recommendations for a cheap 2-3" lift for a TJ? Thanks.
12397 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 5:13pm
Subject: RE: NEEDED: Tail light lens
>Wow!! what great service....they had the part and when I told the woman I
>was in Mesa, she said she could send it to me...I said great and started
>pulling out my Visa to pay for it....she said she'd just stick the bill in
>the package and I could mail the check when I got the parts....when have
you
>EVER heard of a company trusting someone like that???....Statewide 4WD has
a
>new loyal customer....thanx again Mike for hooking me up....
Actually, I have done a fair amount of business with a small 4x4 shop in OK,
ran by owner Bob Supplee. Several orders ago, wires got crossed and Bob
sent me an order. He thought I would be sending him a check. I thought he
had billed it to my credit card, which he had always done before and had the
info available. There was no "you owe me bill" with the parts.
About 6 weeks go by and I call up Bob to order some more parts. After
confirming they would be in the mail later that day, he asked me when I
might be sending him the check for the last order. We cleared that up with
two postings to my credit card for that day.
The guy is a real honest fellow. He believes in customer service. No, he
doesn't have a web site or a catalog (cheaper prices that way). Besides
that, he ships for free and his prices are almost always the lowest ones you
can find. You can get him at 405-799-8977. Don't call him right now since
he is on a well deserved vacation and won't be back for about another 7 days
or so. If you call him, tell him Stu from Phoenix says HI.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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12398 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 5:28pm
Subject: RE: TJ Lift
Don't know what cheap is to you so I'll pass along a couple of options.
The cheapest lift is probably a Tera Budget Boost or the equivalent from Rubicon Express. They both make a 2" spring spacer lift. The spacers slip up on top of your coil springs and raise your chassis a couple of inches. Add some longer shocks and you are pretty much ready to go. You will also want some method by which to disconnect your front sway bar while off-roading, so you have some good flex up front.
Up from the spacer lift comes a modest 2" suspension lift. These will give you taller springs (no spacers needed). Longer shocks are needed for these as well. These usually come with a rear trac-bar relocation bracket, to help keep your rear axle properly centered under your vehicle. Several companies, including the ones previously mentioned, make lifts in this range.
Either of the above type of lifts may induce some rear driveshaft vibrations on your vehicle. If so, you can simply lower your t-case skid about 1/2" to 1" to reduce/eliminate the vibrations. There are other methods available to do this but this is by far the cheapest.
Next come the 3" and up lifts. These lifts usually require more parts to be replaced so that everything works well together. Lower control arms, slip yoke eliminators and CV drive shaft kits, etc.
Hope this helps some.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Jaramillo [mailto:todd.jaramillo@agra.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 4:54 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ Lift
Hi gang,
Does anyone out there have any recommendations for a cheap 2-3" lift for a TJ? Thanks.
12399 From: Ralph Williams <ralph@p...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
I am pretty sure the one you are talking about had a Perkins in
it.
Ralph
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> There was a diesel powered CJ in the PHX ARCA event. Don't know if it
> was the B3.9.
> Linda
>
> Daver wrote:
> >
> > "Chris R." wrote:
> > > Got this one from 4 Bangers United, the numbers are just too awesome!!!
> > > > http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/b39.cfm
> >
> > I laugh. Ha. Ha ha.
> >
> > 130hp 330lb-ft?
> >
> > Bump up to the inline six, and get 300hp 920lb-ft.
> > http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/c83.cfm
> >
> > Did you know that the new 1600cc 4banger Hondas (civic si) are getting
> > 160hp _bone stock_ (no turbo/super chargers or anything) ?
> >
> > (Yes, I said 1600cc inline 4 160hp bone stock.)
> >
> > Pretty amazing.
> >
> > Of course, the torque isn't there (111 lb-ft@7000rpm), power _starts_ at
> > 4000RPM, peak power close to 8000RPM.
12400 From: Mike & Anita Chatfield <mchat@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 5:54pm
Subject: [TR] Sat, Sep 9
Hey All,
I'd like to get out of the city a bit this Saturday, but don't have
any solid plans on where to go. I have a couple of thoughts:
1. South West of Wickenburg is a trail that runs to the top of the
Harquahala Mountains. Looks to be an interesting 3.5(+) or 4.0(-)
trail. This is a loop trail so vehicles can be trailered to the trail
head.
2. I know Crown King has been done to death, but I'd thought about
getting up early and getting on top of the mountain before lunch and
then do some exploring. There is a trail that runs from Battleship
Butte across Johnson Flat to Palace Station I'd like to check out.
This trail will come out somewhere near Prescott. Rating around 3.0
- 3.5.
3. Do some exploring up in the Prescott Nat Forest, maybe near
Potato Patch. 3.0 - 3.5(+?)
4. Do some playing at the old P4W Ranch area until about noon and
then head over to Lake Pleasant to cool off. The ranch has something
for everyone..
5. Run Turkey Creek, possibly there will be running water which will
definitely make it more interesting. Solid 3.5 trail when dry.
6. I've never been on FR42... Which also may have been done to
death, but having an option of stopping somewhere there is water is a
good thing this time of the year. I believe this is rated around a
3.5.
7. I've volunteered to lead either Powerline Trail (3.5+) or Jack
Handle (3.5) for the Jamboree, but have yet to actually run this
trail. I need to run these sometime between now and then so at least
I know where they are.
I'd prefer to do something in the mountains where it will be cooler.
If anyone has an interest in running one of these this weekend, let
me know and I'll throw something together.
- Mike Chatfield
12401 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:13pm
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Tail light lens
Sounds Like Ann, her and Earl are good people. I've done business with them
since High School. Earl use to be big into Jeeps, mostly War models, His
hobby kinda took a detour into really odd stuff, like Amphibious craft and
such. Hard to believe, but he drove the entire North American continent in a
Stock War II model Jeep..... all the way into Alaska! (These Jeeps had a 1"
pad for a seat,which sat on top of the gas tank..)
I still stop by and talk to Ann from time to time. I think they are
looking to retire, at least that was the impression I got last time I was
in. You ought to stop in and see them sometime, they have got allot of
restoration items that are hard to find.
Speaking of hard to find, Good people sure are hard to find these days....
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: "T.J. Nosmo-King" <ice626@h...>
To: <mike@m...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] NEEDED: Tail light lens
> Wow!! what great service....they had the part and when I told the woman I
> was in Mesa, she said she could send it to me...I said great and started
> pulling out my Visa to pay for it....she said she'd just stick the bill in
> the package and I could mail the check when I got the parts....when have
you
> EVER heard of a company trusting someone like that???....Statewide 4WD has
a
> new loyal customer....thanx again Mike for hooking me up....
>
> I do have another question though....on a D20 T/C is 4L all the way to
> floor???....the reason I ask is that I always thought it was, but I
looking
> for a replacement knob for the shifter and the one in the picture showed
4H,
> 2H, N, 4L....I called Four Wheeler Supply and Off-Road Unlimited and they
> weren't 100% sure....again, thanx in advance....
>
> TJ Gill
> 75 CJ5
> You will do something stupid everyday of your life. If you cannot find
> something stupid to do on your own, you will be ordered to do something
> stupid.
>
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12402 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:38pm
Subject: All is right in the universe
With the help of Keith Auble, Mike Anderson, (AZVJC) and Rob (Vermin) I
pulled an all niter last night on the Jeep and got it running again. Just so
happens, I was sent to Yuma today for work, My Jeep, sensing this, followed
me on the trailer all the way there, and demanded I drive it around the
dunes. Not wanting to upset the Jeep, I had to oblige..... Nothing quite
like the full tilt boogie!!
Going slow is ok and all, but something about fresh dune and the smell of
Jet fuel....
I'm working this weekend, and I got a few paybacks to take care of, but I
should be up for a run shortly.
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
12403 From: Mike <mchat@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:36pm
Subject: FW: [TR] Sat, Sep 9
For those interested, looks like we are planning on getting up fairly early. Lake Pleasant to Crown King; we should be in Crown King well before noon, then well do some exploring on the Prescott side of the mountains; the trail Im wanting to find goes from Battleship Butte to Palace Station.
Here is the map.
You'll see Battleship Butte in the lower left. Follow the trail that runs up the middle of the map to Johnson Flat then over to Crooks Canyon. The trail then runs up Crooks Canyon to Palace Station. There is also another trail that runs to the right, but comes out in the same area. Both run up Crooks Canyon until it hits the main Forest Road; this intersection is Palace Station.
Map
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/printimage.asp?S=14&T=2&X=114&Y=1187
- Mike
12404 From: Ray B <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 9:19pm
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12405 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 10:42pm
Subject: Re: HELLO I NEED SOME ADVICE
For offroad the Trac Loc isn't worth the cost of installing it. Go with
the Lockrite, EZLocker, Gearless locker or if you have big money the
Nospin or Detroit Locker.
chad jones wrote:
>
> HI EVERYBODY
>
> I'M NEW TO THE GROUP AND AM LOOKING FOR SOME HELP. JUST TO INTRODUCE
> MYSELF I'LL TELL WHAT I DRIVE. I DRIVE A 73' JEEP COMMANDO. IT HAS A SIX
> INCH SPRING OVER AXLE LIFT. I HAVE THE 232 I-6, AND A T-14 TRANSMISSION. I
> HAVE A DANA 30 UP FRONT AND A DANA 44 IN THE REAR WITH 3:73 GEARS. I AM
> RUNNING 30 X 11.5 SUPER SWAMPERS AND I ALSO HAVE AN 8000 POUND WINCH.
> I AM HAPPY WITH MY SETUP BUT NOW I WANT TO GET A LOCKER FOR THE REAR. I
> WAS WONDERING IF A FACTORY LIMITED SLIP TRAC LOC OUT OF A 98 TJ THAT HAS A
> DANA 44 AND 3:73 GEARS WILL BOLT RIGHT IN, OR WOULD I BE BETTER OFF GETTING
> A LOCKRITE.
> I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW WHERE A GOOD PLACE TO GET A DROP PITMAN ARM WOULD
> BE.
> ANY INFO I GET IS MUCH APPRECIATED AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS IN
> ADVANCE.
>
> CHAD JONES
>
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12406 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 0:20am
Subject: 4.5 RE coils from ToyBox
To those who may have read my posting to Rags last week about the
probability of a bad coil sent by RE, I was WRONG!! It was my stupidity and
bad mechanics that brought this out. After closer inspection of the problem,
It was found that I had installed the lift in the front wrong. I have done
this many times before and didn't think it possible. But it is the little
things that get overlooked. It was my error and early post to Rags that made
this announcement. It was not meant to spur any bad feeling or in NO WAY
make ToyBox look bad. ToyBox has done nothing but the best in every way
possible from Price to Service and beyond. My post was intended for Rags
only for information and possible help, and not a complaint. Again I want to
encourage you all to give Jay at ToyBox an opportunity to show you the best
in what a Vendor can offer customers. You will NOT be
dissatisfied!!!!!!!!!!!!! My lift is now at 7" with the RE ZJ 4.5 coils
which I bought through Jay at ToyBox Off-Road, and I a VERY SATISFIED....
Thank you Jay..............
Casper
12407 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 0:19am
Subject: Fwd: Driving Force - September 2000, Email Edition
(SEMA) "Driving Force" newsletter very usefull info..
Dave
>From: "Brian Caudill" <brianc@s...>
>To: <brianc@s...>
>Subject: Driving Force - September 2000, Email Edition
>Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:35:59 -0400
>
>Below is the September 2000 email edition of the Specialty Equipment Market
>Association's (SEMA) "Driving Force" newsletter. As always, feel free to
>reprint any or all of the information contained within it. All we ask is
>for attribution if you choose to do so. If you need any additional
>background please do not hesitate to contact me.
>If you do not wish to receive any future editions of the email Driving
>Force, please respond to this email with "remove" and we will delete your
>email address from our list.
>Brian Caudill, Editor
>SEMA Action Network
>1317 F Street, NW, Suite 500
>Washington, DC 20004
>202-783-6007
>202-783-6024 fax
>brianc@s...
>
>
>
>Supreme Court To Review EPA's Clean Air Standards
>
>This fall, the U.S. Supreme Court will review the U.S. Environmental
>Protection Agency's (EPA) tightened clean air standards to determine if the
>agency had justification for developing the regulations which establish
>tough new particulate matter and ozone limits. The Court will also consider
>whether EPA should have considered costs to the industry when they issued
>the regulations. EPA has historically not been required to consider such
>costs. Last year, a lower court found EPA had not demonstrated sound
>justification for the regulations. The EPA appealed this decision.
>Tightened air quality standards will naturally lead to EPA to increase the
>air quality targets required of individual states and localities. For the
>automobile hobbyist, this will inevitably mean more enhanced emissions
>testing programs, like the I/M 240 test, and an increased emphasis on
>questionable vehicle scrappage programs.
>
>SEMA Executive VP Chris Kersting commented, "The EPA practice of issuing
>pollution standards that lack scientific backing has gone unchecked for too
>long. We look forward to the Supreme Court's decision, hoping it will
>establish an important precedent to limiting the agency's power under the
>Clean Air Act, as well as establishing an important standard or
>responsibility for the EPA and other federal agencies."
>
>Feds Propose "Rollover" Rating System
>The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently
>released
>a proposed rollover rating system for passenger cars, light trucks and
>SUVs.
>The rating system will be determined by dividing one-half of a vehicle's
>track width by the height of the center of gravity. NHTSA will convert the
>resulting number, called the "static stability factor," into a 5-star
>rollover rating scale-more stars will supposedly mean greater tendency to
>roll. Given this single measurement, naturally, taller and narrower
>vehicles
>will have fewer stars than shorter and wider vehicles.
>Consumers, SEMA and the automakers have serious concerns about the
>proposal.
>Brian Caudill, SEMA director of outreach and public affairs, noted, "This
>rating system is ill-advised and very likely deceptive. Consumers may
>expect a low rating to mean lower rollover incidents. However, NHTSA data
>shows that other factors like driver behavior, road conditions and
>inclement
>weather are overwhelmingly more to blame for real-world rollovers." The
>rating system also fails to take into account specialized vehicle stability
>features like enhanced suspension systems and stability control systems now
>available on many automobiles. NHTSA currently has two other star-rating
>systems for frontal and side-impact crash tests. NHTSA wants the rollover
>ratings to go into effect for model year 2001 cars and trucks.
>
>California's Rolling Smog Check Exemption Remains in Jeopardy
>An amended bill to repeal the rolling Smog Check exemption in California
>for
>cars 30 years old and older and replace it with a static exemption for
>pre-1975 vehicles continues to move through the California legislature. The
>bill also provides for a SEMA-supported emissions certification and
>model-year designation for certain "homebuilt" cars and allows these
>vehicles to be resold.
>The rolling 30-year exemption was enacted in 1997 with the overwhelming
>support of SEMA and California car clubs. As each year passes, the
>exemption
>"rolls" forward to cover another model year. The California Air Resources
>Board, disappointed by the fact that Smog Check is missing promised
>emissions reductions by about 40 percent, is leading the fight to repeal
>the
>rolling exemption.
>"SEMA and the car clubs had been assured that the bill would be amended in
>the Senate to also exempt pre-1975 vehicles from remote sensing and
>roadside
>emissions testing programs and provide for a collector vehicle exemption
>from Smog Check regardless of model year," SEMA Director of Government and
>Technical Affairs Steve McDonald said. "At this point, the bill does not
>carry these provisions. Working with bill sponsor Sen. Maurice Johannessen
>and his staff, we have begun efforts to further amend the bill to restore
>the 30-year rolling exemption."
>
>California Ups the Ante for Crushing Cars
>California's state Department of Consumer Affairs (DCA) is the latest
>California agency to ignore the fact that scrappage is a flawed, unfair and
>ineffective program by initiating yet another car-crusher program. The
>Department's Consumer Assistance Program will pay motorists $1,000 for
>scrapping their vehicles despite the fact that scrappage programs fail to
>produce any verifiable pollution benefits and, naturally, rob hobbyists of
>parts-cars and future restoration projects. Qualified consumers may also
>receive up to $500 in emissions-related repairs. The goal of the DCA's
>program is to repair or retire 50,000 major polluters during the next 4
>years. When you combine this figure with the California Air Resources
>Board's stated goal of scrapping 100,000 cars per year for 10 years in its
>own scrappage program, the results are frightening and disappointing to
>low-income drivers, automobile hobbyists and the specialty aftermarket.
>SEMA recently met with Department officials to discuss incorporating
>VOLUNTARY emissions system repair and upgrade into this program, using
>newer-technology catalytic converters. SEMA has consistently advocated
>VOLUNTARY repair and upgrade as a more viable and cost-effective
>alternative
>to scrapping cars and will continue to do so.
>
>Introducing SEMA's New Web Site: enjoythedrive.com
>By Sue Elliott-Sink
>SEMA recently launched a new consumer web site, enjoythedrive.com, as part
>of its Consumer Awareness Program. The content-rich site is divided into
>two
>sections: the "enthusiast" zone (at www.enjoythedrive.com/enthusiast) and
>the "mainstream consumer" zone (www.enjoythedrive.com). The mainstream
>section is an introduction to the specialty parts and accessories market,
>with lots of info on products for parents, outdoor enthusiasts, commuters,
>Generation X and Yers and other folks who likely have never set foot in a
>speed shop. It's a big part of SEMA's efforts to broaden the market for its
>members' products-and to help bring closet-enthusiasts into our hobby.
>There's even a cool Internet Accessorizer in development that will let
>folks
>"test drive" products on their vehicles to see if they would like to add a
>spoiler, running boards or other accessories. A simple, early-stage version
>of this interactive customizer is online now and accessible from the
>mainstream home page.
>Of course, SEMA could never ignore the enthusiasts who have made our hobby
>and industry as great as it is today. That's why there's a special section
>of the web site called "for enthusiasts only."
>From the enthusiast home page, you can keep tabs on SAN (SEMA Action
>Network) issues and check out back issues of Driving Force by following the
>"Legislator Watch" link (or you can go directly to
>www.enjoythedrive.com/san).
>You also can promote your car club and its events on the site. SEMA has
>partnered with hemmings.com, so visitors to enjoythedrive.com can search
>through Hemmings' immense car club and event databases and post information
>quickly and easily.
>The enthusiast section of the site also includes an "Ask The Experts"
>service. SEMA members are experts on an incredibly diverse array of
>automotive topics, so someone is sure to have the answer to your question.
>Want to communicate with other enthusiasts? There are several discussion
>groups for enthusiasts only. Plus, there are articles filled with tech tips
>and how-to information, and a "Gallery of Cars" where you can post an image
>and some info on your pride and joy.
>Another handy service is a searchable database of SEMA manufacturers. We
>also are putting together a database of SEMA retailers (both local shops
>and
>online and mail-order businesses), which will make it easy to find parts
>and
>services when you need them.
>We encourage you to check out enjoythedrive.com and let us know what you
>think. And while you're at it, why not send your spouses and kids online,
>too. The web site just might help them understand why you spend so much
>time
>out in the garage-and so much money on that ride in the driveway.
>
>Wheels of Time Street Rod Association Inc.: Heart in the Community
>By Erin Mulholland
>The Wheels of Time Street Rod Association is a small, unassuming group of
>approximately 80 to 100 individual members who produce one main Jamboree
>event the third week in August of each year. The Rod & Custom Jamboree,
>small by many standards, limits entries to 2,300 cars, however, nothing
>about this event or group can be measured by sheer numbers. Instead, you
>must look to the oversized heart of the Wheels of Time members who return
>an
>annual average of $50,000 to local charitable organizations and college
>students attending automotive programs in Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley.
>"We're big on charities," said long-time member Mike Kramer.
>Wheels of Time started in an unheated garage in the winter of 1977 and 77
>members have worked hard to make this one of the premier clubs in the
>nation. Kramer, who owns a '35 Chevy two-door sedan and works on Wheels of
>Time legislative concerns, reports a whopping 100,000 spectators attend the
>annual Jamboree. The 3-day event includes music, raffles, activities for
>adults and children alike, a poker run, parade, canned food drive, bingo,
>Chinese auction, craft show and auto flea market, just to name a few of the
>attractions. Families come from all over the Eastern seaboard, and there is
>a waiting list of many thousands of 'participant hopefuls' hoping for an
>opportunity to be more than mere spectators.
>It was the charitable work of Wheels of Time that caught the eyes and ears
>of Hemmings Motor News' Joyce Held, who worked with Kramer in May to submit
>the Wheels of Time for Hemmings' prestigious Hobby Hero Awards in the car
>club category.
>At this year's July Media Motor Show-hosted in Bennington, Vt., by Hemmings
>Motor News-Bill Ingraham and his wife Sally attended to accept the award
>presented to the Wheels of Time Street Rod Association. Along with a
>certificate of appreciation, each awardee is provided a $1,000 cash award.
>In the continued spirit of giving to its community, the Wheels of Time
>donated its cash award to Camelot for Children, an organization in
>Allentown, Pa.
>The Media Motor Show was a delight for Bill Ingraham to attend. "They
>treated us first class," he said. The small New England town that played
>host to the event was an exceptional background for the Hemmings-sponsored
>ride and drive through the countryside for the Hobby Hero award winners and
>media. Ingraham, who drove a '33 Plymouth Roadster, said Hemmings' fleet of
>collector vehicles were set out for all to not only look at, but to drive
>as
>they pleased. "I was like a kid in a candy store," exclaimed Ingraham, who
>clearly had the time of his life.
>Since 1994, Hemmings Motor News has recognized individuals and
>organizations
>that enhance the collector car hobby by raising funds for charitable
>causes,
>or by promoting awareness and education of the car hobby. Nominations
>close
>in May for Hobby Hero categories of museums, individuals, businesses,
>organizations and car clubs that have helped to strengthen and promote the
>hobby. Hemmings' web site, www.hemmings.com, provides links to the
>nomination forms beginning in March each year. Hemmings also provides free
>web site hosting for all car clubs. Simply click on the Car Club Central
>button, then go to "About Car Club Central" for information on how to add
>your car club's web site, or call them toll-free at 800/Car-Here
>(227-4373),
>exts. 599, 644, 660 or 665.
>
>
>WE GET LETTERS
>
>Cautionary Advice About Charitable Involvement
>
>Many car clubs donate revenue generated during club-sponsored events to
>nonprofit organizations. Our club, the Houston Mopar Connection Club
>(HMCC),
>has donated many thousands of dollars over the years to the Houston Food
>Bank as a result of our annual Houston Mopar Show & Race. (See
>http://www.houstonmopars.org/events.html for this year's show dates.)
>
>Yet, it is clear that some of these nonprofits are actively seeking
>"donations" of "old cars" in exchange for tax write-offs. Usually these
>vehicles go directly to a junkyard; many are evidently crushed before any
>valuable parts are saved and recycled. Clubs may want to reconsider
>donating
>to nonprofits that actively promote such cars for tax write-off promotions.
>
>Gary Hamel,
>Houston Mopar Connection Club
>
>
>VOLUNTARY Repair and Upgrade Draws Comment
>
>At a recent meeting of the Southwest Virginia Car Council, members
>discussed
>the importance of the SEMA Action Network (SAN). Everyone is thankful to
>SEMA for its timely and informative legislative updates. There is no doubt
>SEMA is a great ally to the hobby. However, it did not go unnoticed that
>the
>August edition of Driving Force contained a letter from Mr. Bill Buck of
>Arizona, which applauds upgrade or retrofit of emission systems as an
>alternative to scrappage.
>
>We believe that there should always be fallback positions in the event
>scrappage legislation cannot be defeated entirely. Trade-offs are often
>necessary to negotiation, but retrofit and upgrade should be used only as a
>last resort. Repair should be the trade-off alternative to scrappage.
>Retrofit and upgrade will likely lead to the governmental incrementalism to
>which we have grown accustomed. Government will always want us to do more.
>States rights are falling daily only to be replaced by overriding federal
>laws. We may soon be forced to fight national scrappage legislation. Let's
>not give away the store without a fight.
>
>Mr. Buck suggests, " We truly hope other states can put together a similar
>program....and keep our pride and joys on the roadways." Our group says
>thanks but NO thanks. Rather than giving in bit-by-bit to ill-informed
>legislators and special interest groups, we should start educating them and
>stand against scrappage and the trading of pollution credits, period!
>Scrappage bills can be fought if we all work together. If we must trade-off
>something, let's offer repair-not retrofit-because the latter leaves us
>little room to maneuver in the future.
>Tom Cox, President,
>Southwest Virginia Car Council
>
>
>I absolutely love what SEMA does for the hobby. But you've got to be more
>careful on this repair/upgrade/retrofit topic. We know the EPA is going to
>make it necessary for states to clean their air, and we know that this
>means
>states are, more and more, going to look at scrappage programs. This is the
>unfortunate reality. But when you talk about any "upgrade" program it
>scares
>the daylights out of auto restorers! No hobbyist with a perfectly restored
>car, like my 1960 Chevy, wants to hear about putting an "upgrade" on their
>car!
>
>You guys need to be clearer: Emphasize the fact that repair/upgrade
>programs
>are necessary only when it becomes obvious that the only other alternative
>is crushing cars. Emphasize that repair/upgrade programs are VOLUNTARY and
>that classic car owners will not be forced to upgrade their cars. Emphasize
>that 25-year emissions exemptions, like we have in California and like the
>one in Virginia, are a perfect way of nullifying this whole argument.
>It only takes a couple extra sentences in your articles to tell the whole
>story and to avoid confusion. This is my unsolicited advice.
>Pete Mascara,
>Road Dogs Club, California
>
>Editor's Note: Our thanks to Tom Cox for his comments on
>legislative/regulatory strategy (we agree) and to Pete Mascara for his
>"unsolicited," but insightful, advice on how SEMA presents information.
>(We'll do our best.) - Ed.
>ARIZONA
>o Sept. 16-17, Jerome
>10th Annual Jerome Jamboree
>Sponsor: Arizona Bus Club
>Information: 623/877-8960
>CALIFORNIA
>o Sept. 9, Yorba Linda
>Club Picnic
>Sponsor: Orange County Mustang Club
>Information: 714/834-1065
>o Sept. 9-10, Sonoma
>11th Fall Classic Nostalgia Drags
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>o Sept. 16, Irwindale
>2nd Annual Buick Car Show
>Sponsor: Buick Grand National Racing Association
>Information: 912/244-0577
>o Sept. 23, Irvine
>Cruise for the Cure
>Sponsor: South Orange County Rods and Customs Club
>Information: 949/588-8777
>o Sept. 23, San Diego
>Fall Classic Car Show
>Sponsor: Camaro Club of San Diego
>Information: www.caam.com/ccsd
>COLORADO
>o Sept. 8-10, Colorado Springs
>3rd Annual Colorado Classic
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>DELAWARE
>o Sept. 14-17, Rehobeth
>Beachball 2000
>Sponsor: Lambda Car Club International
>Information: www.lambdacarclub.net
>GEORGIA
>o Sept. 21-24, Stone Mountain
>International Convention
>Sponsor: Vintage Thunderbird
>Club International
>ILLINOIS
>o Sept. 10, St. Charles
>30th Annual Midwest Antique Car Show
>Sponsor: Model T Ford Club
>International, Midwest Chapter Information: 815/356-9918
>INDIANA
>o Sept. 23-24, Galveston
>Super Sept. Event
>Sponsor: National Council of Corvette Clubs
>Information: 219/784-2991
>IOWA
>o Sept. 22-23, Cedar Rapids
>21st Annual Quad City Meet
>Sponsor: Oldsmobile Club of Iowa
>Information: 515/363-4339
>MARYLAND
>o Sept. 10, Glen Burnie
>Boy Scout Benefit Car Show
>Sponsor: Lost in the 50's Custom Car Club
>Information: 410/768-0872
>MICHIGAN
>o Sept. 15-17, Kalamazoo
>21st Annual Street Rod Nationals North
>Sponsor: National Street Rod Association
>Information: 303/776-7841
>MINNESOTA
>o Sept. 8, Park Rapids
>Fall Campout
>Sponsor: Minnesota Street Rod Association
>Information: 218/732-5668
>o Sept. 10, Inver Grove Heights
>Star City Days Car Show
>Sponsor: Medallions Car Club
>Information: 651/455-7320
>o Sept. 17, Hugo
>12th Annual Pig Roast
>Sponsor: Northern Lights Car Club
>Information: rjford@a...
>MISSOURI
>o Sept. 3-Oct.1, St. Charles
>Route 66 Motor Tours
>Sponsor: American Road House Car Club
>Information: 636/936-1729
>NEVADA
>o Sept. 28-Oct. 1, Laughlin
>9th Annual Roddin' on the River
>Sponsor: The River Cruizers
>Information: 520/768-2197
>NEW MEXICO
>o Sept. 30-Oct. 1, Albuquerque
>Corvette Funkhana, Rallye and Autocross
>Sponsor: New Mexico Corvette Association
>Information: 505/883-4387
>NEW YORK
>o Sept. 15-17, Rhinebeck
>9th Annual East Coast Nationals
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>OHIO
>o Sept. 8-10, Springfield
>11th Annual IH Scout and Light Truck Nationals
>Sponsor: Scout and International Motor Truck Association
>Information: 937/525-9781
>OKLAHOMA
>o Sept. 15-16, Tulsa
>21st Annual Show and Swap Meet
>Sponsor: Green Country Classic Mustangs
>Information: 918/367-3758
>OREGON
>o Sept. 23, Lyda Camp
>Cruisin' the Woods 2000
>Sponsor: Cascade Cruisers 4WD Club
>Information: 360/891-8157
>PENNSYLVANIA
>o Sept. 28-Oct. 1, Carlisle
>Fall Carlisle
>Sponsor: Carlisle Productions
>Information: 717/249-0455
>TEXAS
>o Sept. 30-Oct. 1, Fort Worth
>8th Lone Star Nationals
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>VERMONT
>o Sept. 22-24, Burlington
>7th Annual Northeast Street Rod Nationals
>Sponsor: National Street Rod Association
>Information: 724/932-3747
>WASHINGTON
>o Sept. 23, Pierce County
>Off-Road Swap Meet
>Sponsor: White Knuckle 4x4s
>Information: 253/536-8381
>Supreme Court To Review EPA's Clean Air Standards
>
>This fall, the U.S. Supreme Court will review the U.S. Environmental
>Protection Agency's (EPA) tightened clean air standards to determine if the
>agency had justification for developing the regulations which establish
>tough new particulate matter and ozone limits. The Court will also consider
>whether EPA should have considered costs to the industry when they issued
>the regulations. EPA has historically not been required to consider such
>costs. Last year, a lower court found EPA had not demonstrated sound
>justification for the regulations. The EPA appealed this decision.
>Tightened air quality standards will naturally lead to EPA to increase the
>air quality targets required of individual states and localities. For the
>automobile hobbyist, this will inevitably mean more enhanced emissions
>testing programs, like the I/M 240 test, and an increased emphasis on
>questionable vehicle scrappage programs.
>SEMA Executive VP Chris Kersting commented, "The EPA practice of issuing
>pollution standards that lack scientific backing has gone unchecked for too
>long. We look forward to the Supreme Court's decision, hoping it will
>establish an important precedent to limiting the agency's power under the
>Clean Air Act, as well as establishing an important standard or
>responsibility for the EPA and other federal agencies."
>
>Feds Propose "Rollover" Rating System
>The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recently
>released
>a proposed rollover rating system for passenger cars, light trucks and
>SUVs.
>The rating system will be determined by dividing one-half of a vehicle's
>track width by the height of the center of gravity. NHTSA will convert the
>resulting number, called the "static stability factor," into a 5-star
>rollover rating scale-more stars will supposedly mean greater tendency to
>roll. Given this single measurement, naturally, taller and narrower
>vehicles
>will have fewer stars than shorter and wider vehicles.
>Consumers, SEMA and the automakers have serious concerns about the
>proposal.
>Brian Caudill, SEMA director of outreach and public affairs, noted, "This
>rating system is ill-advised and very likely deceptive. Consumers may
>expect a low rating to mean lower rollover incidents. However, NHTSA data
>shows that other factors like driver behavior, road conditions and
>inclement
>weather are overwhelmingly more to blame for real-world rollovers." The
>rating system also fails to take into account specialized vehicle stability
>features like enhanced suspension systems and stability control systems now
>available on many automobiles. NHTSA currently has two other star-rating
>systems for frontal and side-impact crash tests. NHTSA wants the rollover
>ratings to go into effect for model year 2001 cars and trucks.
>
>California's Rolling Smog Check Exemption Remains in Jeopardy
>An amended bill to repeal the rolling Smog Check exemption in California
>for
>cars 30 years old and older and replace it with a static exemption for
>pre-1975 vehicles continues to move through the California legislature. The
>bill also provides for a SEMA-supported emissions certification and
>model-year designation for certain "homebuilt" cars and allows these
>vehicles to be resold.
>The rolling 30-year exemption was enacted in 1997 with the overwhelming
>support of SEMA and California car clubs. As each year passes, the
>exemption
>"rolls" forward to cover another model year. The California Air Resources
>Board, disappointed by the fact that Smog Check is missing promised
>emissions reductions by about 40 percent, is leading the fight to repeal
>the
>rolling exemption.
>"SEMA and the car clubs had been assured that the bill would be amended in
>the Senate to also exempt pre-1975 vehicles from remote sensing and
>roadside
>emissions testing programs and provide for a collector vehicle exemption
>from Smog Check regardless of model year," SEMA Director of Government and
>Technical Affairs Steve McDonald said. "At this point, the bill does not
>carry these provisions. Working with bill sponsor Sen. Maurice Johannessen
>and his staff, we have begun efforts to further amend the bill to restore
>the 30-year rolling exemption."
>
>Introducing SEMA's New Web Site: enjoythedrive.com
>By Sue Elliott-Sink
>SEMA recently launched a new consumer web site, enjoythedrive.com, as part
>of its Consumer Awareness Program. The content-rich site is divided into
>two
>sections: the "enthusiast" zone (at www.enjoythedrive.com/enthusiast) and
>the "mainstream consumer" zone (www.enjoythedrive.com). The mainstream
>section is an introduction to the specialty parts and accessories market,
>with lots of info on products for parents, outdoor enthusiasts, commuters,
>Generation X and Yers and other folks who likely have never set foot in a
>speed shop. It's a big part of SEMA's efforts to broaden the market for its
>members' products-and to help bring closet-enthusiasts into our hobby.
>There's even a cool Internet Accessorizer in development that will let
>folks
>"test drive" products on their vehicles to see if they would like to add a
>spoiler, running boards or other accessories. A simple, early-stage version
>of this interactive customizer is online now and accessible from the
>mainstream home page.
>Of course, SEMA could never ignore the enthusiasts who have made our hobby
>and industry as great as it is today. That's why there's a special section
>of the web site called "for enthusiasts only."
>From the enthusiast home page, you can keep tabs on SAN (SEMA Action
>Network) issues and check out back issues of Driving Force by following the
>"Legislator Watch" link (or you can go directly to
>www.enjoythedrive.com/san).
>You also can promote your car club and its events on the site. SEMA has
>partnered with hemmings.com, so visitors to enjoythedrive.com can search
>through Hemmings' immense car club and event databases and post information
>quickly and easily.
>The enthusiast section of the site also includes an "Ask The Experts"
>service. SEMA members are experts on an incredibly diverse array of
>automotive topics, so someone is sure to have the answer to your question.
>Want to communicate with other enthusiasts? There are several discussion
>groups for enthusiasts only. Plus, there are articles filled with tech tips
>and how-to information, and a "Gallery of Cars" where you can post an image
>and some info on your pride and joy.
>Another handy service is a searchable database of SEMA manufacturers. We
>also are putting together a database of SEMA retailers (both local shops
>and
>online and mail-order businesses), which will make it easy to find parts
>and
>services when you need them.
>We encourage you to check out enjoythedrive.com and let us know what you
>think. And while you're at it, why not send your spouses and kids online,
>too. The web site just might help them understand why you spend so much
>time
>out in the garage-and so much money on that ride in the driveway.
>
>California Ups the Ante for Crushing Cars
>California's state Department of Consumer Affairs (DCA) is the latest
>California agency to ignore the fact that scrappage is a flawed, unfair and
>ineffective program by initiating yet another car-crusher program. The
>Department's Consumer Assistance Program will pay motorists $1,000 for
>scrapping their vehicles despite the fact that scrappage programs fail to
>produce any verifiable pollution benefits and, naturally, rob hobbyists of
>parts-cars and future restoration projects. Qualified consumers may also
>receive up to $500 in emissions-related repairs. The goal of the DCA's
>program is to repair or retire 50,000 major polluters during the next 4
>years. When you combine this figure with the California Air Resources
>Board's stated goal of scrapping 100,000 cars per year for 10 years in its
>own scrappage program, the results are frightening and disappointing to
>low-income drivers, automobile hobbyists and the specialty aftermarket.
>SEMA recently met with Department officials to discuss incorporating
>VOLUNTARY emissions system repair and upgrade into this program, using
>newer-technology catalytic converters. SEMA has consistently advocated
>VOLUNTARY repair and upgrade as a more viable and cost-effective
>alternative
>to scrapping cars and will continue to do so.
>
>Wheels of Time Street Rod Association Inc.: Heart in the Community
>By Erin Mulholland
>The Wheels of Time Street Rod Association is a small, unassuming group of
>approximately 80 to 100 individual members who produce one main Jamboree
>event the third week in August of each year. The Rod & Custom Jamboree,
>small by many standards, limits entries to 2,300 cars, however, nothing
>about this event or group can be measured by sheer numbers. Instead, you
>must look to the oversized heart of the Wheels of Time members who return
>an
>annual average of $50,000 to local charitable organizations and college
>students attending automotive programs in Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley.
>We're big on charities," said long-time member Mike Kramer.
>Wheels of Time started in an unheated garage in the winter of 1977 and 77
>members have worked hard to make this one of the premier clubs in the
>nation. Kramer, who owns a '35 Chevy two-door sedan and works on Wheels of
>Time legislative concerns, reports a whopping 100,000 spectators attend the
>annual Jamboree. The 3-day event includes music, raffles, activities for
>adults and children alike, a poker run, parade, canned food drive, bingo,
>Chinese auction, craft show and auto flea market, just to name a few of the
>attractions. Families come from all over the Eastern seaboard, and there is
>a waiting list of many thousands of 'participant hopefuls' hoping for an
>opportunity to be more than mere spectators.
>It was the charitable work of Wheels of Time that caught the eyes and ears
>of Hemmings Motor News' Joyce Held, who worked with Kramer in May to submit
>the Wheels of Time for Hemmings' prestigious Hobby Hero Awards in the car
>club category.
>At this year's July Media Motor Show-hosted in Bennington, Vt., by Hemmings
>Motor News-Bill Ingraham and his wife Sally attended to accept the award
>presented to the Wheels of Time Street Rod Association. Along with a
>certificate of appreciation, each awardee is provided a $1,000 cash award.
>In the continued spirit of giving to its community, the Wheels of Time
>donated its cash award to Camelot for Children, an organization in
>Allentown, Pa.
>The Media Motor Show was a delight for Bill Ingraham to attend. "They
>treated us first class," he said. The small New England town that played
>host to the event was an exceptional background for the Hemmings-sponsored
>ride and drive through the countryside for the Hobby Hero award winners and
>media. Ingraham, who drove a '33 Plymouth Roadster, said Hemmings' fleet of
>collector vehicles were set out for all to not only look at, but to drive
>as
>they pleased. "I was like a kid in a candy store," exclaimed Ingraham, who
>clearly had the time of his life.
>Since 1994, Hemmings Motor News has recognized individuals and
>organizations
>that enhance the collector car hobby by raising funds for charitable
>causes,
>or by promoting awareness and education of the car hobby. Nominations
>close
>in May for Hobby Hero categories of museums, individuals, businesses,
>organizations and car clubs that have helped to strengthen and promote the
>hobby. Hemmings' web site, www.hemmings.com, provides links to the
>nomination forms beginning in March each year. Hemmings also provides free
>web site hosting for all car clubs. Simply click on the Car Club Central
>button, then go to "About Car Club Central" for information on how to add
>your car club's web site, or call them toll-free at 800/Car-Here
>(227-4373),
>exts. 599, 644, 660 or 665.
>
>
>WE GET LETTERS
>
>Cautionary Advice About Charitable Involvement
>
>Many car clubs donate revenue generated during club-sponsored events to
>nonprofit organizations. Our club, the Houston Mopar Connection Club
>(HMCC),
>has donated many thousands of dollars over the years to the Houston Food
>Bank as a result of our annual Houston Mopar Show & Race. (See
>http://www.houstonmopars.org/events.html for this year's show dates.) Yet,
>it is clear that some of these nonprofits are actively seeking "donations"
>of "old cars" in exchange for tax write-offs. Usually these vehicles go
>directly to a junkyard; many are evidently crushed before any valuable
>parts are saved and recycled. Clubs may want to reconsider donating to
>nonprofits that actively promote such cars for tax write-off promotions.
>
>Gary Hamel,
>Houston Mopar Connection Club
>
>
>VOLUNTARY Repair and Upgrade Draws Comment
>
>At a recent meeting of the Southwest Virginia Car Council, members
>discussed
>the importance of the SEMA Action Network (SAN). Everyone is thankful to
>SEMA for its timely and informative legislative updates. There is no doubt
>SEMA is a great ally to the hobby. However, it did not go unnoticed that
>the
>August edition of Driving Force contained a letter from Mr. Bill Buck of
>Arizona, which applauds upgrade or retrofit of emission systems as an
>alternative to scrappage.
>
>We believe that there should always be fallback positions in the event
>scrappage legislation cannot be defeated entirely. Trade-offs are often
>necessary to negotiation, but retrofit and upgrade should be used only as a
>last resort. Repair should be the trade-off alternative to scrappage.
>Retrofit and upgrade will likely lead to the governmental incrementalism to
>which we have grown accustomed. Government will always want us to do more.
>States rights are falling daily only to be replaced by overriding federal
>laws. We may soon be forced to fight national scrappage legislation. Let's
>not give away the store without a fight.
>
>Mr. Buck suggests, " We truly hope other states can put together a similar
>program....and keep our pride and joys on the roadways." Our group says
>thanks but NO thanks. Rather than giving in bit-by-bit to ill-informed
>legislators and special interest groups, we should start educating them and
>stand against scrappage and the trading of pollution credits, period!
>Scrappage bills can be fought if we all work together. If we must trade-off
>something, let's offer repair-not retrofit-because the latter leaves us
>little room to maneuver in the future.
>
>Tom Cox, President,
>Southwest Virginia Car Council
>
>
>I absolutely love what SEMA does for the hobby. But you've got to be more
>careful on this repair/upgrade/retrofit topic. We know the EPA is going to
>make it necessary for states to clean their air, and we know that this
>means
>states are, more and more, going to look at scrappage programs. This is the
>unfortunate reality. But when you talk about any "upgrade" program it
>scares
>the daylights out of auto restorers! No hobbyist with a perfectly restored
>car, like my 1960 Chevy, wants to hear about putting an "upgrade" on their
>car!
>
>You guys need to be clearer: Emphasize the fact that repair/upgrade
>programs
>are necessary only when it becomes obvious that the only other alternative
>is crushing cars. Emphasize that repair/upgrade programs are VOLUNTARY and
>that classic car owners will not be forced to upgrade their cars. Emphasize
>that 25-year emissions exemptions, like we have in California and like the
>one in Virginia, are a perfect way of nullifying this whole argument.
>It only takes a couple extra sentences in your articles to tell the whole
>story and to avoid confusion. This is my unsolicited advice.
>Pete Mascara, Road Dogs Club, California
>
>Editor's Note: Our thanks to Tom Cox for his comments on
>legislative/regulatory strategy (we agree) and to Pete Mascara for his
>"unsolicited," but insightful, advice on how SEMA presents information.
>(We'll do our best.) - Ed.
>
>
>SAN Club Events
>
>
>ARIZONA
>o Sept. 16-17, Jerome
>10th Annual Jerome Jamboree
>Sponsor: Arizona Bus Club
>Information: 623/877-8960
>
>CALIFORNIA
>o Sept. 9, Yorba Linda
>Club Picnic
>Sponsor: Orange County Mustang Club
>Information: 714/834-1065
>
>o Sept. 9-10, Sonoma
>11th Fall Classic Nostalgia Drags
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>
>o Sept. 16, Irwindale
>2nd Annual Buick Car Show
>Sponsor: Buick Grand National Racing Association
>Information: 912/244-0577
>
>o Sept. 23, Irvine
>Cruise for the Cure
>Sponsor: South Orange County Rods and Customs Club
>Information: 949/588-8777
>
>o Sept. 23, San Diego
>Fall Classic Car Show
>Sponsor: Camaro Club of San Diego
>Information: www.caam.com/ccsd
>
>COLORADO
>o Sept. 8-10, Colorado Springs
>3rd Annual Colorado Classic
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>
>DELAWARE
>o Sept. 14-17, Rehobeth
>Beachball 2000
>Sponsor: Lambda Car Club International
>Information: www.lambdacarclub.net
>
>GEORGIA
>o Sept. 21-24, Stone Mountain
>International Convention
>Sponsor: Vintage Thunderbird
>Club International
>
>ILLINOIS
>o Sept. 10, St. Charles
>30th Annual Midwest Antique Car Show
>Sponsor: Model T Ford Club
>International, Midwest Chapter Information: 815/356-9918
>
>INDIANA
>o Sept. 23-24, Galveston
>Super Sept. Event
>Sponsor: National Council of Corvette Clubs
>Information: 219/784-2991
>
>IOWA
>o Sept. 22-23, Cedar Rapids
>21st Annual Quad City Meet
>Sponsor: Oldsmobile Club of Iowa
>Information: 515/363-4339
>
>MARYLAND
>o Sept. 10, Glen Burnie
>Boy Scout Benefit Car Show
>Sponsor: Lost in the 50's Custom Car Club
>Information: 410/768-0872
>
>MICHIGAN
>o Sept. 15-17, Kalamazoo
>21st Annual Street Rod Nationals North
>Sponsor: National Street Rod Association
>Information: 303/776-7841
>
>MINNESOTA
>o Sept. 8, Park Rapids
>Fall Campout
>Sponsor: Minnesota Street Rod Association
>Information: 218/732-5668
>
>o Sept. 10, Inver Grove Heights
>Star City Days Car Show
>Sponsor: Medallions Car Club
>Information: 651/455-7320
>
>o Sept. 17, Hugo
>12th Annual Pig Roast
>Sponsor: Northern Lights Car Club
>Information: rjford@a...
>
>MISSOURI
>o Sept. 3-Oct.1, St. Charles
>Route 66 Motor Tours
>Sponsor: American Road House Car Club
>Information: 636/936-1729
>
>NEVADA
>o Sept. 28-Oct. 1, Laughlin
>9th Annual Roddin' on the River
>Sponsor: The River Cruizers
>Information: 520/768-2197
>
>NEW MEXICO
>o Sept. 30-Oct. 1, Albuquerque
>Corvette Funkhana, Rallye and Autocross
>Sponsor: New Mexico Corvette Association
>Information: 505/883-4387
>
>NEW YORK
>o Sept. 15-17, Rhinebeck
>9th Annual East Coast Nationals
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>
>OHIO
>o Sept. 8-10, Springfield
>11th Annual IH Scout and Light Truck Nationals
>Sponsor: Scout and International Motor Truck Association
>Information: 937/525-9781
>
>OKLAHOMA
>o Sept. 15-16, Tulsa
>21st Annual Show and Swap Meet
>Sponsor: Green Country Classic Mustangs
>Information: 918/367-3758
>
>OREGON
>o Sept. 23, Lyda Camp
>Cruisin' the Woods 2000
>Sponsor: Cascade Cruisers 4WD Club
>Information: 360/891-8157
>
>PENNSYLVANIA
>o Sept. 28-Oct. 1, Carlisle
>Fall Carlisle
>Sponsor: Carlisle Productions
>Information: 717/249-0455
>
>TEXAS
>o Sept. 30-Oct. 1, Fort Worth
>8th Lone Star Nationals
>Sponsor: Goodguys Rod and Custom Association
>Information: 925/838-9876
>
>VERMONT
>o Sept. 22-24, Burlington
>7th Annual Northeast Street Rod Nationals
>Sponsor: National Street Rod Association
>Information: 724/932-3747
>
>WASHINGTON
>o Sept. 23, Pierce County
>Off-Road Swap Meet
>Sponsor: White Knuckle 4x4s
>Information: 253/536-8381
>
>
>
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12408 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 0:04am
Subject: ToyBox Off-Road!
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12409 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 0:04am
Subject: Challenger Cat Back Install Completed ... Thoughts ...
I am very happy with the cat back I installed this evening from Challenger.
Challenger is Off-road Unlimited's brand. It installed very quickly and
easily. About 35 minutes. I didn't want my opinion of whether or not I
gained power to be tainted by the sound so drove it before cutting off my
stock exhaust with ear protection (couldn't hear a thing) and took mental
note of acceleration and feel. After completing the install I threw on the
ear protection again and started it up, didn't feel any different, backed
out of the garage and took off down the street .. DEFINITE DIFFERENCE .. I
was very impressed at the noticeable power increase. I hope that it does
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impression .. excellent product at an excellent price. A+
12410 From: Jeff G <ZJDreams@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 6:09pm
Subject: Undoing a transfer case drop
Thanks to everyone who gave me advice on the SYE kit. I'm going to go ahead and tackle it myself. I have a new question though, the original owner dropped the t-case by putting spacers between the transfercase skid plate. Is there anything else people normally do when they drop these? Basically I'm just wondering what i have to do to get it back to the stock height. Thanks in advance,
Jeff
Working on brothers 92 YJ with the 4.0 and 5spd
12411 From: Mike Fogarty <madman_yj@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 3:53am
Subject: Used Winch
I'm going to go and look at a used winch this weekend.
The guy says that it is only 7 months old and only
used a few times. Its a Ramsey Pro Plus 9000..
Anything in particular that I should be looking at or
for???
Thanks,
Mad Man
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12412 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 7, 2000 7:10am
Subject: Re: Undoing a transfer case drop
One thing to check is that, with a T-Case drop, it's recommended that the t-case shift linkage be relocated. It's possible that the original installer also installed a linkage relocation plate. If so, It'll be attached to the stock linkage bracket, on the inside of the tub tunnel. However, since this relocation is not always done, you may not have to worry about undoing it...but it's something to look for.
On the SYE - if cost is an issue, you could go with the RE SYE kit. It uses the stock output shaft, but requires that the shaft be cut, drilled and tapped. I had this set up for a while and it worked fine.
A better set up, though, would be to swap out the stock shaft w/ a heavy duty short shaft. There are a number of them available, but since I have no direct experience with them, perhaps there are others that can advise specifically on them.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff G
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:09 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Undoing a transfer case drop
Thanks to everyone who gave me advice on the SYE kit. I'm going to go ahead and tackle it myself. I have a new question though, the original owner dropped the t-case by putting spacers between the transfercase skid plate. Is there anything else people normally do when they drop these? Basically I'm just wondering what i have to do to get it back to the stock height. Thanks in advance,
Jeff
Working on brothers 92 YJ with the 4.0 and 5spd