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12363 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 5:22pm
Subject: Re: Jamboree Registration
I am planning on going to this I will pick up a registration form but my
question is do we all want to camp in the same area? It would be nice to get
a chance to meet everyone that way. If someone is going out early and knows
the area we could set up directions for everyone to follow. I know that many
members are involved with other clubs and will camp in that clubs area but
many like myself are only members of AZVJC. Any ideas?
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jamboree Registration
> Linda Luik wrote:
>
> > The registration fee is $75. If you volunteer, you get $25 off and a
> > t-shirt. Sandee and the ASA4WDC Board have not put out any word that
> > volunteers must be members of the ASA4WDC.
>
> I am leading the Lower Terminator run and I am not an ASA4WDC member.
>
> -Roger
>
>
>
>
>
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12364 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 5:38pm
Subject: TR - Power Line Sunday 09/10
Anyone interested in running the Power Line Trail next weekend? Power
Line is NE of Superior and should be a little cooler than Valley. The
trail is 3.0-3.5, very rocky and very scenic. The toughest spot on the
trail has a relatively easy alternate. I haven't been out there since
last October so I don't know what shape the trail is in.
Meet at the FJ Texaco at 7:30am, Sept 10, 2000.
CB Channel 4
The trail has taken about 6 hours to drive in the past, including play
time.
Bring water, lunch, sunscreen, tools, etc. You never know what's going
to happen
Linda
12365 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 5:43pm
Subject: Re: Jamboree Registration
Hint: Don't camp too close to the main road, the registration trailer, or the
camp fire. The wind generally blows from the SW in the evening and through the
night, so the best place to be is SW of the main camp. Also, try to find a spot
that's a dead end or 'circle your wagons' for safety. We had a couple of drunken
yahoos drive through our camp last year and almost hit a few tents.
Linda
Hackle wrote:
> I am planning on going to this I will pick up a registration form but my
> question is do we all want to camp in the same area? It would be nice to get
> a chance to meet everyone that way. If someone is going out early and knows
> the area we could set up directions for everyone to follow. I know that many
> members are involved with other clubs and will camp in that clubs area but
> many like myself are only members of AZVJC. Any ideas?
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jamboree Registration
>
> > Linda Luik wrote:
> >
> > > The registration fee is $75. If you volunteer, you get $25 off and a
> > > t-shirt. Sandee and the ASA4WDC Board have not put out any word that
> > > volunteers must be members of the ASA4WDC.
> >
> > I am leading the Lower Terminator run and I am not an ASA4WDC member.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
12366 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 5:50pm
Subject: LU - [Fwd: activists raise fuss over atv event]
This isn't a Jeep story. It's another eco-terrorist story. I kind of
wonder if the eco-terrorists would compensate the local community if
they could successfully shut down the event? I don't think so!
Linda
From: "Herr Klinton" ecosuck@h...
To: landuse@m...
Subject: activists raise fuss over atv event
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 11:12:54 PDT
Sender: owner-landuse@m...
>From Deseret News:
Activists raise a fuss over ATV event
They say Forest Service issued the permit too quietly
By Donna M. Kemp Deseret News staff writer
Come September, the Rocky Mountain ATV Jamboree will be raising a
ruckus on the
Fishlake National Forest in central Utah, just as it has every year since
1993.
Now environmentalists are raising a ruckus of their own, saying the
U.S. Forest
Service quietly issued the permit without saying anything to those who might
oppose the
jamboree.
"Our primary concern is (the U.S. Forest Service) willingly excluded a
significant part
of the public," said Craig Axford, program director for Utah Environmental
Congress.
"All members of the public should be involved when the Forest Service
is considering
this kind of event," he added.
The jamboree will allow a total of 800 ATVs on existing trails, but no
more than 50
riders are allowed on any one trail at a time. The event, scheduled Sept.
18-23, brings in
more than $1 million to the local economy.
Environmentalists say ATV activities, especially those of this
magnitude, have
repeatedly been shown to cause considerable harm to the environment.
Max Reid, recreation officer for the Fishlake National Forest, said the
event will
primarily take place on the Paiute Trail and portions of the Great Western
Trail, which are
already open to motorized use.
"We feel that because the system is already in place there is not much
of an
environmental impact," he said, adding the ATV trails were established in
the 1980s and
have been maintained since.
Liz Thomas with the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance is concerned
whether the
trails have been formally designated as ATV trails or have simply become ATV
trails
through repeated travel on existing roads.
"We want to make sure that all trails they are riding on are designated
(open to
ATVs)," Thomas said.
Reid said the Forest Service was unaware that the Utah Environmental
Congress or
SUWA were interested in the issue, and he promised to include them in future
discussions.
Members of the local community and local law enforcement in 17
different
communities in Beaver, Millard, Sevier and Piute counties were involved in
the decision.
"There were no concerns," Reid said.
"Given that the only contacts made by the Forest Service were with
people, groups or
local governments that stood to benefit from this event, it should come as
no surprise that
no major issues or concerns were identified," Axford said in a letter to
Regional Forester
Jack Blackwell.
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12367 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 5:59pm
Subject: more stuff for sale
From Advance Adapters....
I have their bellhousing that allows you to bolt up a T18/T19 to a SB Chevy.
I also have the adapter from a Ford T18/T19/NP435 to a Dana300/AtlasII( and
I think it even fits a NP231).
Both parts are probably used with numerous other applications.
Get me a quote and I will beat it by 20%. These parts have never been used.
I wont seperate the two.
I also have a professionally rebuilt T19 (same as T18 but fully sychro'd).
This tranny has never been installed and is essentially brand new. Will last
a lifetime in a Jeep. Make me a reasonable offer.
Larry
12368 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 6:47pm
Subject: Re: rim offset for 35 on a TJ w/4.5" lift
I was running 35x12.50's on 15x8 with 3.75" of backspacing. I am much happier since switching to 15x10's with 4" of backspacing. Its much more stable onroad and offroad with the slightly wider track (3.5"). I've had no problems when aired down to 10 psi with the 15x10 wheels.
Scott Kruize
Clint wrote:
I have a TJ with a 4.5" RE lift.
I plan on running 35x12.5 BFGs on some steel rims.
I would like to know what rim offset I need?
Any suggestions on rims? kind? brand? where available? price?
Do you think a rim bigger than 15" would be better on the street?
Thanks in advance
Clint
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12369 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 6:42pm
Subject: Re: rim offset for 35 on a TJ w/4.5" lift
BTW, You will definitley want to add a 1" body lift AND extended bumpstops up front or a 2" bodylift so those 35's have plenty of room with the RE 4.5" lift. Your front fenders will thank you :) Joe W and myself have had some damage done to the front fenders with only the 1" body lift.
Scott
DougB wrote:
I'm running around 3.75 on 15x8 rims. Needed some steering stop adjustment,
though.
Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clint "
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:45 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] rim offset for 35 on a TJ w/4.5" lift
>
>
> > I have a TJ with a 4.5" RE lift.
> >
> > I plan on running 35x12.5 BFGs on some steel rims.
> >
> > I would like to know what rim offset I need?
> >
> > Any suggestions on rims? kind? brand? where available? price?
> > Do you think a rim bigger than 15" would be better on the street?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Clint
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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12370 From: Tom Quinn <tom@q...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 8:14pm
Subject: Member's Rigs
FYI: For those of you who have recently sent me additions and
updates to your member's page, I have not forgotten you! I've had
various company in town the past 2 weeks and lost the computer/guest
room so computer time was a little limited. I should be caught up
within a week.
Sorry for the delay!!! I'll send you a reply when your info has been
updated.
Tom
12371 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 8:34pm
Subject: just curious...
Who belongs to the black ZJ with the tubular bumpers and the hi-lift jack
and shovel on the front that was parked at Motorola's building 99 today on
Price and Elliot? Nice Jeep...
darren
12372 From: ebnhils:First ebnhils:Last <ebnhils@e...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 8:59pm
Subject: smoked clutch
Hello all,
This weekend while fourwheeling I got the clutch very hot and smoked it. It still seems to work ok on the street and while wheeling but I am looking to replace. I need to remove the tranny anyway to replace the leaky slave cylinder and would like to upgrade the clutch at the same time. Any suggestions for a good clutch upgrade would be appreciated. I have a 92 YJ 6cyl and 5spd with 33' and stock drivetrain. I know, I need gears!
Thanks in advance.
Eben
12373 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 8:56pm
Subject: Re: Need AMC 20 Spider gears.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have a set. As a matter of fact, I have two sets I
think. When I installed my Lock Right, I had to swap out the LSD carrier with
an open one and the open carrier I got from a junk yard with all of the
innards. I'm willing to part with them. I'm waffling a little on the cross
pin. I'm a little worried that my Lock Right could eat it and I would be
wishing I had it. Hmmmmm, just talk me out of it!!!
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
Toybox Off-Road
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
12374 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 9:18pm
Subject: Flat Tire Canyon
Im looking for information on Flat Tire Canyon.
Location? Trail Rating? Pics? GPS Cordinates or Waypoints? Or just your thoughts on the trail would be welcomed.
TIA,
Larry
12375 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 1:32am
Subject: Re: Jamboree Registration
Roger, I wouldn't say you are "leading" Lower Terminator, Referee for the
Lower Terminator run would be a little more like it!!
Hope You have A ball!
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jamboree Registration
> Linda Luik wrote:
>
> > The registration fee is $75. If you volunteer, you get $25 off and a
> > t-shirt. Sandee and the ASA4WDC Board have not put out any word that
> > volunteers must be members of the ASA4WDC.
>
> I am leading the Lower Terminator run and I am not an ASA4WDC member.
>
> -Roger
>
>
>
>
>
12376 From: Matt Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 2:15pm
Subject: Re: Gear and Axle
Right now Leon Rosser has the Super 35 kit on sale for $899. Have mine now
and can't wait to install it!!!
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Rider 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Loveless" <jonloveless@m...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Gear and Axle
> Superior Gear and Axle just announced some new stuff for the Jeep. They
> have upgraded their Super 35 kit to now include a Detroit Locker - around
> $950. They also have new 4.88 gears for Dana 35 and Dana 30 for about $250
> each.
>
> http://www.superioraxle.com/Super%2035.htm
> ------------------------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> (602)432-7860 cell
> (480)816-6240 home
> jonloveless@m...
>
>
>
>
>
12377 From: <dunk95@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 7:19am
Subject: Wanted: USED YJ / TJ fender flairs
I need to find used ( so I can cut and trim ) stock flairs. any
condition OK
12378 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 7:23am
Subject: 4wheelers supply
Can someone give me the phone number and address for 4Wheelers Supply? A
good person to talk with there would also be very helpful.
Thanks.
Jon
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@m...
12379 From: chad jones <jones_chad_13@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 7:37am
Subject: HELLO I NEED SOME ADVICE
HI EVERYBODY
I'M NEW TO THE GROUP AND AM LOOKING FOR SOME HELP. JUST TO INTRODUCE
MYSELF I'LL TELL WHAT I DRIVE. I DRIVE A 73' JEEP COMMANDO. IT HAS A SIX
INCH SPRING OVER AXLE LIFT. I HAVE THE 232 I-6, AND A T-14 TRANSMISSION. I
HAVE A DANA 30 UP FRONT AND A DANA 44 IN THE REAR WITH 3:73 GEARS. I AM
RUNNING 30 X 11.5 SUPER SWAMPERS AND I ALSO HAVE AN 8000 POUND WINCH.
I AM HAPPY WITH MY SETUP BUT NOW I WANT TO GET A LOCKER FOR THE REAR. I
WAS WONDERING IF A FACTORY LIMITED SLIP TRAC LOC OUT OF A 98 TJ THAT HAS A
DANA 44 AND 3:73 GEARS WILL BOLT RIGHT IN, OR WOULD I BE BETTER OFF GETTING
A LOCKRITE.
I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW WHERE A GOOD PLACE TO GET A DROP PITMAN ARM WOULD
BE.
ANY INFO I GET IS MUCH APPRECIATED AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS IN
ADVANCE.
CHAD JONES
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12380 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 7:53am
Subject: Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
Got this one from 4 Bangers United, the numbers are just too awesome!!!
>
> http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/b39.cfm
>
> John
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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12381 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:10am
Subject: Re: Flat Tire Canyon
Flat Tire Canyon is a trail that I have started four times and have been
turned back by breakdowns and time constraints. Each time I have gone
approx 1/4-mile further. I have never made it to the end. I was the
trip leader for this trail on Sunday at the Jamboree 2 years ago and
most of the participants gave up and turned around. I don't blame them.
Flat Tire Canyon is 3.0-3.5 trail. It is a dead end so you have to come
back out the same way. I hear that there is a loop trail back there. It
shows on the 1973 Tonto National Forest map but doesn't show on the USGS
Quad (Mineral Mtn). The trail is on BLM land. The toughest obstacle is a
hill climb on the way out. Last year the hill was in pretty bad shape.
The monsoons could have made it worse. Most of the trail is in the
bottom of the canyon. There is some easy rock crawling and a few more
challenging alternates.
Location. Flat Tire Canyon Trail Starts on FR4 (Telegraph Canyon Rd).
There are two ways to get there. If you are coming from the west, take
the road that follows Ajax Wash and go by the Ajax Mine site. Take the
road that goes north from the mine. Stay on this road. It gets pretty
rough and there are some washouts. Go through the cattle guard (this
defines the boundary between BLM and the Tonto Natl Forest). Stay on the
road and eventually you will see a mine tripod high on a hill. Make a
right (south) at the Arizona Trail Marker (a Sierra Club project) which
is right below the mine tripod and stay on this trail until you drop
into the wash. Make a left in the wash and you'll see the Flat Tire
Canyon Trail. BTW: It is on the Mineral Mtn Quad. The Trail is NNE of
Martinez Canyon. The right leg of the wash actually connects with
Martinez Canyon, but it isn't driveable. If you are coming from the
east, take Mary Ave south through Superior, make a right on the road
going by the softball fields. A mile or so down the road, you'll see a
forest road marker. Go right (west) and stay on this road (Telegraph
Canyon Rd) until you see the mining tripod and Arizona Trail Marker.
It'll take you about 1.5 hours to get there. Either route is very scenic
and worth the trip.
Sorry, no GPS data. I use orienteering methods which don't require
batteries! ;-) And I never get lost -- only momentarily disoriented!
Linda
> Larry wrote:
>
> Im looking for information on Flat Tire Canyon.
>
> Location? Trail Rating? Pics? GPS Cordinates or Waypoints? Or just
> your thoughts on the trail would be welcomed.
>
>
> TIA,
> Larry
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12382 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:12am
Subject: Re: Jamboree Registration
Well, that depends, of course, on how you define "leading". Geez, I
certainly hope I don't have to play referee! What did I get myself into?
Do you know something I don't know?
-Roger
William Mish wrote:
>
> Roger, I wouldn't say you are "leading" Lower Terminator, Referee for the
> Lower Terminator run would be a little more like it!!
> Hope You have A ball!
> Bill Mish
> Yldkat
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> http://drive.to/yldkat55
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jamboree Registration
>
> > Linda Luik wrote:
> >
> > > The registration fee is $75. If you volunteer, you get $25 off and a
> > > t-shirt. Sandee and the ASA4WDC Board have not put out any word that
> > > volunteers must be members of the ASA4WDC.
> >
> > I am leading the Lower Terminator run and I am not an ASA4WDC member.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
12383 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:19am
Subject: Re: 4wheelers supply
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Fax: 602 225-0751
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While I was there I talked to Barry Brommet and I recieved a great customer
service!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Loveless" <jonloveless@m...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] 4wheelers supply
> Can someone give me the phone number and address for 4Wheelers Supply? A
> good person to talk with there would also be very helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jon
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> (602)432-7860 cell
> (480)816-6240 home
> jonloveless@m...
>
>
>
>
>
12384 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:40am
Subject: Re: Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
"Chris R." wrote:
> Got this one from 4 Bangers United, the numbers are just too awesome!!!
> > http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/b39.cfm
I laugh. Ha. Ha ha.
130hp 330lb-ft?
Bump up to the inline six, and get 300hp 920lb-ft.
http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/c83.cfm
Did you know that the new 1600cc 4banger Hondas (civic si) are getting
160hp _bone stock_ (no turbo/super chargers or anything) ?
(Yes, I said 1600cc inline 4 160hp bone stock.)
Pretty amazing.
Of course, the torque isn't there (111 lb-ft@7000rpm), power _starts_ at
4000RPM, peak power close to 8000RPM.
12385 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:48am
Subject: Wanted Old Bikini Top for 97-2000 TJ
I am trying to waterproof an acrylic top to the door frames so I need one that sill has the side attachments in good shape.
Rick
12386 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 9:37am
Subject: Re: Flat Tire Canyon
Larry, Are you trip leading this trail at the Jamboree?
Linda
"Linda Luik (p14175)" wrote:
>
> Flat Tire Canyon is a trail that I have started four times and have been
> turned back by breakdowns and time constraints. Each time I have gone
> approx 1/4-mile further. I have never made it to the end. I was the
> trip leader for this trail on Sunday at the Jamboree 2 years ago and
> most of the participants gave up and turned around. I don't blame them.
>
> Flat Tire Canyon is 3.0-3.5 trail. It is a dead end so you have to come
> back out the same way. I hear that there is a loop trail back there. It
> shows on the 1973 Tonto National Forest map but doesn't show on the USGS
> Quad (Mineral Mtn). The trail is on BLM land. The toughest obstacle is a
> hill climb on the way out. Last year the hill was in pretty bad shape.
> The monsoons could have made it worse. Most of the trail is in the
> bottom of the canyon. There is some easy rock crawling and a few more
> challenging alternates.
>
> Location. Flat Tire Canyon Trail Starts on FR4 (Telegraph Canyon Rd).
> There are two ways to get there. If you are coming from the west, take
> the road that follows Ajax Wash and go by the Ajax Mine site. Take the
> road that goes north from the mine. Stay on this road. It gets pretty
> rough and there are some washouts. Go through the cattle guard (this
> defines the boundary between BLM and the Tonto Natl Forest). Stay on the
> road and eventually you will see a mine tripod high on a hill. Make a
> right (south) at the Arizona Trail Marker (a Sierra Club project) which
> is right below the mine tripod and stay on this trail until you drop
> into the wash. Make a left in the wash and you'll see the Flat Tire
> Canyon Trail. BTW: It is on the Mineral Mtn Quad. The Trail is NNE of
> Martinez Canyon. The right leg of the wash actually connects with
> Martinez Canyon, but it isn't driveable. If you are coming from the
> east, take Mary Ave south through Superior, make a right on the road
> going by the softball fields. A mile or so down the road, you'll see a
> forest road marker. Go right (west) and stay on this road (Telegraph
> Canyon Rd) until you see the mining tripod and Arizona Trail Marker.
> It'll take you about 1.5 hours to get there. Either route is very scenic
> and worth the trip.
>
> Sorry, no GPS data. I use orienteering methods which don't require
> batteries! ;-) And I never get lost -- only momentarily disoriented!
>
> Linda
>
> > Larry wrote:
> >
> > Im looking for information on Flat Tire Canyon.
> >
> > Location? Trail Rating? Pics? GPS Cordinates or Waypoints? Or just
> > your thoughts on the trail would be welcomed.
> >
> >
> > TIA,
> > Larry
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12387 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 9:36am
Subject: Re: Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
There was a diesel powered CJ in the PHX ARCA event. Don't know if it
was the B3.9.
Linda
Daver wrote:
>
> "Chris R." wrote:
> > Got this one from 4 Bangers United, the numbers are just too awesome!!!
> > > http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/b39.cfm
>
> I laugh. Ha. Ha ha.
>
> 130hp 330lb-ft?
>
> Bump up to the inline six, and get 300hp 920lb-ft.
> http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/c83.cfm
>
> Did you know that the new 1600cc 4banger Hondas (civic si) are getting
> 160hp _bone stock_ (no turbo/super chargers or anything) ?
>
> (Yes, I said 1600cc inline 4 160hp bone stock.)
>
> Pretty amazing.
>
> Of course, the torque isn't there (111 lb-ft@7000rpm), power _starts_ at
> 4000RPM, peak power close to 8000RPM.
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12363 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 5:22pm
Subject: Re: Jamboree Registration
I am planning on going to this I will pick up a registration form but my
question is do we all want to camp in the same area? It would be nice to get
a chance to meet everyone that way. If someone is going out early and knows
the area we could set up directions for everyone to follow. I know that many
members are involved with other clubs and will camp in that clubs area but
many like myself are only members of AZVJC. Any ideas?
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jamboree Registration
> Linda Luik wrote:
>
> > The registration fee is $75. If you volunteer, you get $25 off and a
> > t-shirt. Sandee and the ASA4WDC Board have not put out any word that
> > volunteers must be members of the ASA4WDC.
>
> I am leading the Lower Terminator run and I am not an ASA4WDC member.
>
> -Roger
>
>
>
>
>
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12364 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 5:38pm
Subject: TR - Power Line Sunday 09/10
Anyone interested in running the Power Line Trail next weekend? Power
Line is NE of Superior and should be a little cooler than Valley. The
trail is 3.0-3.5, very rocky and very scenic. The toughest spot on the
trail has a relatively easy alternate. I haven't been out there since
last October so I don't know what shape the trail is in.
Meet at the FJ Texaco at 7:30am, Sept 10, 2000.
CB Channel 4
The trail has taken about 6 hours to drive in the past, including play
time.
Bring water, lunch, sunscreen, tools, etc. You never know what's going
to happen
Linda
12365 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 5:43pm
Subject: Re: Jamboree Registration
Hint: Don't camp too close to the main road, the registration trailer, or the
camp fire. The wind generally blows from the SW in the evening and through the
night, so the best place to be is SW of the main camp. Also, try to find a spot
that's a dead end or 'circle your wagons' for safety. We had a couple of drunken
yahoos drive through our camp last year and almost hit a few tents.
Linda
Hackle wrote:
> I am planning on going to this I will pick up a registration form but my
> question is do we all want to camp in the same area? It would be nice to get
> a chance to meet everyone that way. If someone is going out early and knows
> the area we could set up directions for everyone to follow. I know that many
> members are involved with other clubs and will camp in that clubs area but
> many like myself are only members of AZVJC. Any ideas?
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jamboree Registration
>
> > Linda Luik wrote:
> >
> > > The registration fee is $75. If you volunteer, you get $25 off and a
> > > t-shirt. Sandee and the ASA4WDC Board have not put out any word that
> > > volunteers must be members of the ASA4WDC.
> >
> > I am leading the Lower Terminator run and I am not an ASA4WDC member.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
12366 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 5:50pm
Subject: LU - [Fwd: activists raise fuss over atv event]
This isn't a Jeep story. It's another eco-terrorist story. I kind of
wonder if the eco-terrorists would compensate the local community if
they could successfully shut down the event? I don't think so!
Linda
From: "Herr Klinton" ecosuck@h...
To: landuse@m...
Subject: activists raise fuss over atv event
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 11:12:54 PDT
Sender: owner-landuse@m...
>From Deseret News:
Activists raise a fuss over ATV event
They say Forest Service issued the permit too quietly
By Donna M. Kemp Deseret News staff writer
Come September, the Rocky Mountain ATV Jamboree will be raising a
ruckus on the
Fishlake National Forest in central Utah, just as it has every year since
1993.
Now environmentalists are raising a ruckus of their own, saying the
U.S. Forest
Service quietly issued the permit without saying anything to those who might
oppose the
jamboree.
"Our primary concern is (the U.S. Forest Service) willingly excluded a
significant part
of the public," said Craig Axford, program director for Utah Environmental
Congress.
"All members of the public should be involved when the Forest Service
is considering
this kind of event," he added.
The jamboree will allow a total of 800 ATVs on existing trails, but no
more than 50
riders are allowed on any one trail at a time. The event, scheduled Sept.
18-23, brings in
more than $1 million to the local economy.
Environmentalists say ATV activities, especially those of this
magnitude, have
repeatedly been shown to cause considerable harm to the environment.
Max Reid, recreation officer for the Fishlake National Forest, said the
event will
primarily take place on the Paiute Trail and portions of the Great Western
Trail, which are
already open to motorized use.
"We feel that because the system is already in place there is not much
of an
environmental impact," he said, adding the ATV trails were established in
the 1980s and
have been maintained since.
Liz Thomas with the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance is concerned
whether the
trails have been formally designated as ATV trails or have simply become ATV
trails
through repeated travel on existing roads.
"We want to make sure that all trails they are riding on are designated
(open to
ATVs)," Thomas said.
Reid said the Forest Service was unaware that the Utah Environmental
Congress or
SUWA were interested in the issue, and he promised to include them in future
discussions.
Members of the local community and local law enforcement in 17
different
communities in Beaver, Millard, Sevier and Piute counties were involved in
the decision.
"There were no concerns," Reid said.
"Given that the only contacts made by the Forest Service were with
people, groups or
local governments that stood to benefit from this event, it should come as
no surprise that
no major issues or concerns were identified," Axford said in a letter to
Regional Forester
Jack Blackwell.
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12367 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 5:59pm
Subject: more stuff for sale
From Advance Adapters....
I have their bellhousing that allows you to bolt up a T18/T19 to a SB Chevy.
I also have the adapter from a Ford T18/T19/NP435 to a Dana300/AtlasII( and
I think it even fits a NP231).
Both parts are probably used with numerous other applications.
Get me a quote and I will beat it by 20%. These parts have never been used.
I wont seperate the two.
I also have a professionally rebuilt T19 (same as T18 but fully sychro'd).
This tranny has never been installed and is essentially brand new. Will last
a lifetime in a Jeep. Make me a reasonable offer.
Larry
12368 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 6:47pm
Subject: Re: rim offset for 35 on a TJ w/4.5" lift
I was running 35x12.50's on 15x8 with 3.75" of backspacing. I am much happier since switching to 15x10's with 4" of backspacing. Its much more stable onroad and offroad with the slightly wider track (3.5"). I've had no problems when aired down to 10 psi with the 15x10 wheels.
Scott Kruize
Clint wrote:
I have a TJ with a 4.5" RE lift.
I plan on running 35x12.5 BFGs on some steel rims.
I would like to know what rim offset I need?
Any suggestions on rims? kind? brand? where available? price?
Do you think a rim bigger than 15" would be better on the street?
Thanks in advance
Clint
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12369 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 6:42pm
Subject: Re: rim offset for 35 on a TJ w/4.5" lift
BTW, You will definitley want to add a 1" body lift AND extended bumpstops up front or a 2" bodylift so those 35's have plenty of room with the RE 4.5" lift. Your front fenders will thank you :) Joe W and myself have had some damage done to the front fenders with only the 1" body lift.
Scott
DougB wrote:
I'm running around 3.75 on 15x8 rims. Needed some steering stop adjustment,
though.
Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clint "
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:45 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] rim offset for 35 on a TJ w/4.5" lift
>
>
> > I have a TJ with a 4.5" RE lift.
> >
> > I plan on running 35x12.5 BFGs on some steel rims.
> >
> > I would like to know what rim offset I need?
> >
> > Any suggestions on rims? kind? brand? where available? price?
> > Do you think a rim bigger than 15" would be better on the street?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Clint
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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12370 From: Tom Quinn <tom@q...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 8:14pm
Subject: Member's Rigs
FYI: For those of you who have recently sent me additions and
updates to your member's page, I have not forgotten you! I've had
various company in town the past 2 weeks and lost the computer/guest
room so computer time was a little limited. I should be caught up
within a week.
Sorry for the delay!!! I'll send you a reply when your info has been
updated.
Tom
12371 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 8:34pm
Subject: just curious...
Who belongs to the black ZJ with the tubular bumpers and the hi-lift jack
and shovel on the front that was parked at Motorola's building 99 today on
Price and Elliot? Nice Jeep...
darren
12372 From: ebnhils:First ebnhils:Last <ebnhils@e...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 8:59pm
Subject: smoked clutch
Hello all,
This weekend while fourwheeling I got the clutch very hot and smoked it. It still seems to work ok on the street and while wheeling but I am looking to replace. I need to remove the tranny anyway to replace the leaky slave cylinder and would like to upgrade the clutch at the same time. Any suggestions for a good clutch upgrade would be appreciated. I have a 92 YJ 6cyl and 5spd with 33' and stock drivetrain. I know, I need gears!
Thanks in advance.
Eben
12373 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 8:56pm
Subject: Re: Need AMC 20 Spider gears.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have a set. As a matter of fact, I have two sets I
think. When I installed my Lock Right, I had to swap out the LSD carrier with
an open one and the open carrier I got from a junk yard with all of the
innards. I'm willing to part with them. I'm waffling a little on the cross
pin. I'm a little worried that my Lock Right could eat it and I would be
wishing I had it. Hmmmmm, just talk me out of it!!!
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
Toybox Off-Road
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
12374 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 9:18pm
Subject: Flat Tire Canyon
Im looking for information on Flat Tire Canyon.
Location? Trail Rating? Pics? GPS Cordinates or Waypoints? Or just your thoughts on the trail would be welcomed.
TIA,
Larry
12375 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 1:32am
Subject: Re: Jamboree Registration
Roger, I wouldn't say you are "leading" Lower Terminator, Referee for the
Lower Terminator run would be a little more like it!!
Hope You have A ball!
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jamboree Registration
> Linda Luik wrote:
>
> > The registration fee is $75. If you volunteer, you get $25 off and a
> > t-shirt. Sandee and the ASA4WDC Board have not put out any word that
> > volunteers must be members of the ASA4WDC.
>
> I am leading the Lower Terminator run and I am not an ASA4WDC member.
>
> -Roger
>
>
>
>
>
12376 From: Matt Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Tue Sep 5, 2000 2:15pm
Subject: Re: Gear and Axle
Right now Leon Rosser has the Super 35 kit on sale for $899. Have mine now
and can't wait to install it!!!
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Rider 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Loveless" <jonloveless@m...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Gear and Axle
> Superior Gear and Axle just announced some new stuff for the Jeep. They
> have upgraded their Super 35 kit to now include a Detroit Locker - around
> $950. They also have new 4.88 gears for Dana 35 and Dana 30 for about $250
> each.
>
> http://www.superioraxle.com/Super%2035.htm
> ------------------------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> (602)432-7860 cell
> (480)816-6240 home
> jonloveless@m...
>
>
>
>
>
12377 From: <dunk95@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 7:19am
Subject: Wanted: USED YJ / TJ fender flairs
I need to find used ( so I can cut and trim ) stock flairs. any
condition OK
12378 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 7:23am
Subject: 4wheelers supply
Can someone give me the phone number and address for 4Wheelers Supply? A
good person to talk with there would also be very helpful.
Thanks.
Jon
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@m...
12379 From: chad jones <jones_chad_13@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 7:37am
Subject: HELLO I NEED SOME ADVICE
HI EVERYBODY
I'M NEW TO THE GROUP AND AM LOOKING FOR SOME HELP. JUST TO INTRODUCE
MYSELF I'LL TELL WHAT I DRIVE. I DRIVE A 73' JEEP COMMANDO. IT HAS A SIX
INCH SPRING OVER AXLE LIFT. I HAVE THE 232 I-6, AND A T-14 TRANSMISSION. I
HAVE A DANA 30 UP FRONT AND A DANA 44 IN THE REAR WITH 3:73 GEARS. I AM
RUNNING 30 X 11.5 SUPER SWAMPERS AND I ALSO HAVE AN 8000 POUND WINCH.
I AM HAPPY WITH MY SETUP BUT NOW I WANT TO GET A LOCKER FOR THE REAR. I
WAS WONDERING IF A FACTORY LIMITED SLIP TRAC LOC OUT OF A 98 TJ THAT HAS A
DANA 44 AND 3:73 GEARS WILL BOLT RIGHT IN, OR WOULD I BE BETTER OFF GETTING
A LOCKRITE.
I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW WHERE A GOOD PLACE TO GET A DROP PITMAN ARM WOULD
BE.
ANY INFO I GET IS MUCH APPRECIATED AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS IN
ADVANCE.
CHAD JONES
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12380 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 7:53am
Subject: Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
Got this one from 4 Bangers United, the numbers are just too awesome!!!
>
> http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/b39.cfm
>
> John
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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12381 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:10am
Subject: Re: Flat Tire Canyon
Flat Tire Canyon is a trail that I have started four times and have been
turned back by breakdowns and time constraints. Each time I have gone
approx 1/4-mile further. I have never made it to the end. I was the
trip leader for this trail on Sunday at the Jamboree 2 years ago and
most of the participants gave up and turned around. I don't blame them.
Flat Tire Canyon is 3.0-3.5 trail. It is a dead end so you have to come
back out the same way. I hear that there is a loop trail back there. It
shows on the 1973 Tonto National Forest map but doesn't show on the USGS
Quad (Mineral Mtn). The trail is on BLM land. The toughest obstacle is a
hill climb on the way out. Last year the hill was in pretty bad shape.
The monsoons could have made it worse. Most of the trail is in the
bottom of the canyon. There is some easy rock crawling and a few more
challenging alternates.
Location. Flat Tire Canyon Trail Starts on FR4 (Telegraph Canyon Rd).
There are two ways to get there. If you are coming from the west, take
the road that follows Ajax Wash and go by the Ajax Mine site. Take the
road that goes north from the mine. Stay on this road. It gets pretty
rough and there are some washouts. Go through the cattle guard (this
defines the boundary between BLM and the Tonto Natl Forest). Stay on the
road and eventually you will see a mine tripod high on a hill. Make a
right (south) at the Arizona Trail Marker (a Sierra Club project) which
is right below the mine tripod and stay on this trail until you drop
into the wash. Make a left in the wash and you'll see the Flat Tire
Canyon Trail. BTW: It is on the Mineral Mtn Quad. The Trail is NNE of
Martinez Canyon. The right leg of the wash actually connects with
Martinez Canyon, but it isn't driveable. If you are coming from the
east, take Mary Ave south through Superior, make a right on the road
going by the softball fields. A mile or so down the road, you'll see a
forest road marker. Go right (west) and stay on this road (Telegraph
Canyon Rd) until you see the mining tripod and Arizona Trail Marker.
It'll take you about 1.5 hours to get there. Either route is very scenic
and worth the trip.
Sorry, no GPS data. I use orienteering methods which don't require
batteries! ;-) And I never get lost -- only momentarily disoriented!
Linda
> Larry wrote:
>
> Im looking for information on Flat Tire Canyon.
>
> Location? Trail Rating? Pics? GPS Cordinates or Waypoints? Or just
> your thoughts on the trail would be welcomed.
>
>
> TIA,
> Larry
Attachment: vcard [not shown]
12382 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:12am
Subject: Re: Jamboree Registration
Well, that depends, of course, on how you define "leading". Geez, I
certainly hope I don't have to play referee! What did I get myself into?
Do you know something I don't know?
-Roger
William Mish wrote:
>
> Roger, I wouldn't say you are "leading" Lower Terminator, Referee for the
> Lower Terminator run would be a little more like it!!
> Hope You have A ball!
> Bill Mish
> Yldkat
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> http://drive.to/yldkat55
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jamboree Registration
>
> > Linda Luik wrote:
> >
> > > The registration fee is $75. If you volunteer, you get $25 off and a
> > > t-shirt. Sandee and the ASA4WDC Board have not put out any word that
> > > volunteers must be members of the ASA4WDC.
> >
> > I am leading the Lower Terminator run and I am not an ASA4WDC member.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
12383 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:19am
Subject: Re: 4wheelers supply
602 273-7195
Fax: 602 225-0751
3530 E. Washington
Phoenix Az. 85034
While I was there I talked to Barry Brommet and I recieved a great customer
service!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Loveless" <jonloveless@m...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] 4wheelers supply
> Can someone give me the phone number and address for 4Wheelers Supply? A
> good person to talk with there would also be very helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jon
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> (602)432-7860 cell
> (480)816-6240 home
> jonloveless@m...
>
>
>
>
>
12384 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:40am
Subject: Re: Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
"Chris R." wrote:
> Got this one from 4 Bangers United, the numbers are just too awesome!!!
> > http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/b39.cfm
I laugh. Ha. Ha ha.
130hp 330lb-ft?
Bump up to the inline six, and get 300hp 920lb-ft.
http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/c83.cfm
Did you know that the new 1600cc 4banger Hondas (civic si) are getting
160hp _bone stock_ (no turbo/super chargers or anything) ?
(Yes, I said 1600cc inline 4 160hp bone stock.)
Pretty amazing.
Of course, the torque isn't there (111 lb-ft@7000rpm), power _starts_ at
4000RPM, peak power close to 8000RPM.
12385 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 8:48am
Subject: Wanted Old Bikini Top for 97-2000 TJ
I am trying to waterproof an acrylic top to the door frames so I need one that sill has the side attachments in good shape.
Rick
12386 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 9:37am
Subject: Re: Flat Tire Canyon
Larry, Are you trip leading this trail at the Jamboree?
Linda
"Linda Luik (p14175)" wrote:
>
> Flat Tire Canyon is a trail that I have started four times and have been
> turned back by breakdowns and time constraints. Each time I have gone
> approx 1/4-mile further. I have never made it to the end. I was the
> trip leader for this trail on Sunday at the Jamboree 2 years ago and
> most of the participants gave up and turned around. I don't blame them.
>
> Flat Tire Canyon is 3.0-3.5 trail. It is a dead end so you have to come
> back out the same way. I hear that there is a loop trail back there. It
> shows on the 1973 Tonto National Forest map but doesn't show on the USGS
> Quad (Mineral Mtn). The trail is on BLM land. The toughest obstacle is a
> hill climb on the way out. Last year the hill was in pretty bad shape.
> The monsoons could have made it worse. Most of the trail is in the
> bottom of the canyon. There is some easy rock crawling and a few more
> challenging alternates.
>
> Location. Flat Tire Canyon Trail Starts on FR4 (Telegraph Canyon Rd).
> There are two ways to get there. If you are coming from the west, take
> the road that follows Ajax Wash and go by the Ajax Mine site. Take the
> road that goes north from the mine. Stay on this road. It gets pretty
> rough and there are some washouts. Go through the cattle guard (this
> defines the boundary between BLM and the Tonto Natl Forest). Stay on the
> road and eventually you will see a mine tripod high on a hill. Make a
> right (south) at the Arizona Trail Marker (a Sierra Club project) which
> is right below the mine tripod and stay on this trail until you drop
> into the wash. Make a left in the wash and you'll see the Flat Tire
> Canyon Trail. BTW: It is on the Mineral Mtn Quad. The Trail is NNE of
> Martinez Canyon. The right leg of the wash actually connects with
> Martinez Canyon, but it isn't driveable. If you are coming from the
> east, take Mary Ave south through Superior, make a right on the road
> going by the softball fields. A mile or so down the road, you'll see a
> forest road marker. Go right (west) and stay on this road (Telegraph
> Canyon Rd) until you see the mining tripod and Arizona Trail Marker.
> It'll take you about 1.5 hours to get there. Either route is very scenic
> and worth the trip.
>
> Sorry, no GPS data. I use orienteering methods which don't require
> batteries! ;-) And I never get lost -- only momentarily disoriented!
>
> Linda
>
> > Larry wrote:
> >
> > Im looking for information on Flat Tire Canyon.
> >
> > Location? Trail Rating? Pics? GPS Cordinates or Waypoints? Or just
> > your thoughts on the trail would be welcomed.
> >
> >
> > TIA,
> > Larry
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12387 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Wed Sep 6, 2000 9:36am
Subject: Re: Fwd: [4bangers] Now here's a four banger!!
There was a diesel powered CJ in the PHX ARCA event. Don't know if it
was the B3.9.
Linda
Daver wrote:
>
> "Chris R." wrote:
> > Got this one from 4 Bangers United, the numbers are just too awesome!!!
> > > http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/b39.cfm
>
> I laugh. Ha. Ha ha.
>
> 130hp 330lb-ft?
>
> Bump up to the inline six, and get 300hp 920lb-ft.
> http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/construction/c83.cfm
>
> Did you know that the new 1600cc 4banger Hondas (civic si) are getting
> 160hp _bone stock_ (no turbo/super chargers or anything) ?
>
> (Yes, I said 1600cc inline 4 160hp bone stock.)
>
> Pretty amazing.
>
> Of course, the torque isn't there (111 lb-ft@7000rpm), power _starts_ at
> 4000RPM, peak power close to 8000RPM.
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