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12163 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 9:09pm
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ZJ] Access for All / USFS Protest Sign stickers]
Sorry for the resend. I don't know if the last post worked!
Linda
Tom Zehrbach <tzehrbach@h...> writes:
12x4 inch stickers - the left half of the sticker has the USFS "No
Trespassing" sign, the right half has the words "Access for All". You
can cut them in half for 2 4x6 inch stickers, or use it whole.
Price is $2 per sticker. Postage for sticker-only orders is $1. As
always with Access for All merchandise, any profits will be sent to Blue
Ribbon Coalition to help keep our trails open. (We've already sent $600
to them - thanks for your purchases everyone).
Ordering info: http://www.eugenestuff.com - click on the sticker image
about 1/4 of the way down the main page.
Tom Zehrbach
'95 ZJ w/ stuff
Eugene Stuff, LLC.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT
12164 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 9:12pm
Subject: Re: ads on top
I like the Bill Luke approach.
Linda
Leonard K. Pennock wrote:
>
> It was tolerable when they were below the message. It is annoying now
> that they are above. If we all send 50 sents we can get rid of the ad
> for about 3 years.
>
> Len Sullivan wrote:
> >
> >
> > What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody besides
> > me annoyed by them?
> >
> > Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs $59.40
> > per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like the
> > 1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
> >
> > Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
> >
> > Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
> >
> > Len
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12165 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 9:08pm
Subject: Re: ads on top
If we do the Bill Luke treatment to egroups as a group, should we all cut
and paste one of their ads to the top of the complaint letters? Just to
show how annoying they are.......................
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
>I like the Bill Luke approach.
>
>Linda
>
>
12166 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 9:04pm
Subject: Motor mount fun...
Would anyone in the Ahwatukee/Tempe area be interested in lending a hand or
the use of a floor jack? I have a motor mount that needs repair. Thanks
to everyone who responded to my last e-mail.
Chris
602-791-9259
12167 From: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 9:51pm
Subject: RE: ads on top
I agree they are a pain in the ***, but when you think of all we get with
this free email service, I guess we will have to just live with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:38 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] ads on top
What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody besides
me annoyed by them?
Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs $59.40
per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like the
1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
Len
12168 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:01pm
Subject: Test just delete.
I don't think all the messages are getting the headers.
Tim Naylor wrote:
>
>
> I agree they are a pain in the ***, but when you think of all we get with
> this free email service, I guess we will have to just live with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:38 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ads on top
>
> What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody besides
> me annoyed by them?
>
> Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs $59.40
> per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like the
> 1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
>
> Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
>
> Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
>
> Len
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12169 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:12pm
Subject: E-Groups
Oh, great and wise List Administrator. We pray to thee to rid us of
pestilence, RAV4's, and adds on top of postings. Hear our prayers, so that
we may flourish and be well satisfied.
Thanks a bunch for anything you can do. :o)
Doug
12170 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:27pm
Subject: Re: ads on top
It was just a matter of time before they figured out that we weren't seeing the ads, as they were posted below the signature lines. Which in most cases, was below the message body. The choice is before us... deal with it, or shell out the Duckets..... Judging by past experience with this group, I'd have to say most of us will take it lying down....
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Naylor
To: Len Sullivan ; az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ads on top
I agree they are a pain in the ***, but when you think of all we get with
this free email service, I guess we will have to just live with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@extremezone.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:38 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] ads on top
What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody besides
me annoyed by them?
Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs $59.40
per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like the
1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
Len
12171 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:17pm
Subject: Re: ads on top
We have one other choice. Everyday go to their web site and complain
about the location of the ads. If they get 300 messages/day about it may
sway them to put it back to the way it was.
I've already sent my complaint for today.
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12172 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:25pm
Subject: Re: ads on top
A bronco mailing list is mooving to topica.com could that be an option?
Just a thought...
Jesus Chio
www.alloffroad.com
Free webpages
http://signup.alloffroad.com
My Eb project
www.alloffroad.com/chio
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard K. Pennock
To: AZ_VJC
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ads on top
We have one other choice. Everyday go to their web site and complain
about the location of the ads. If they get 300 messages/day about it may
sway them to put it back to the way it was.
I've already sent my complaint for today.
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12173 From: <revolvr@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 6:20pm
Subject: Re: E-Groups
In a message dated 8/29/00 10:09:14 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
azjeep@h... writes:
> Oh, great and wise List Administrator. We pray to thee to rid us of
> pestilence, RAV4's, and adds on top of postings. Hear our prayers, so that
> we may flourish and be well satisfied.
>
> Thanks a bunch for anything you can do. :o)
>
> Doug
I have formally complained to them about this new policy. Getting rid of
RAV4's might be easier - we shall see. I may just pay the 50 bucks for a year.
Also, if you read the messages from the web site, you don't get the ads in
each message.
-- Dan
12174 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:36pm
Subject: Vote NO on PROP 202
Just heard the first radio add agianst prop 202.
The one where the Serria club is trying to screw with Arizona land owners
and urban sprawl...
So when it is time to vote Vote NO on PROP202.......
Dave
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12175 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 11:25pm
Subject: Fwd: BLM OHV Comment period deadline
>From: "GlamisOnLine / American Sand Association"
><GlamisOnLine@e...>
>Reply-To: AmSandAssoc@e...
>To: "davidoboyle@h..." <davidoboyle@h...>
>Subject: BLM OHV Comment period deadline
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 0:30:44 -0700
>
>The deadline is coming for our input to the BLM's new OHV strategy. It is
>this Thursday 8/31.
>They are bound by law to strike a balance on federal lands. It is up to us
>to push the balance
>point to our favor.
>
>The BLM has asked for feedback. They want some popularly driven direction.
>
>Please go to http://www.blm.gov/ohv/mailer.htm and give your input - there
>are some suggested
>comments below.
>
>Better yet by snail-mail:
>
>OHV Comment Manager
>U.S. Bureau of Land Management
>1849 C St. NW LSB406-C
>Washington, DC 20240
>
>
>
>The BLM's final ORV strategy should include:
>
>ORVs should be allowed on multiple-use routes that are clearly marked with
>signs indicating they
>are open, and indicate who is allowed to use the route.
>
>The BLM should maintain open ORV routes until a study determines that the
>routes cause major
>environmental impacts.
>
>The spread of noxious weeds is more commonly done by birds and other
>wildlife than by ORVs.
>
>BLM should demonstrate the minimal impact of ORVs, but also that the BLM
>should appropriately limit
>ORV use in National Forest wilderness areas, as is currently the case.
>
>Unauthorized routes, including existing routes created by ORVs should be
>examined to determine
>their feasibility and viability.
>
>Signs should be posted to prevent people from becoming disoriented and lost
>on ORV routes.
>
>Environmentally damaging routes should be restored and maintained to
>minimize damage.
>
>The BLM should continue building and examining possible new ORV routes and
>direct funds to
>effective monitoring, management, and restoration.
>
>
>
>Vincent J. Brunasso
>Keith L. Rosewitz
>Jerry R. Seaver
>American Sand Association
>To Unite, Inform, and Mobilize to Keep Our Dunes OPEN
>
>
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12176 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 9:13pm
Subject: Re: It's the end of the world as we know it
Definately sad news but think of the potential. There is a certian somone
that has a KIA with 35's and straight axles... You never know....
When the XJ came out people were doubting it's capability. There are people
out there running 36in tires off this unibody platform.. It's all in the
enginuity I guess...
Dave
>From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
>To: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] It's the end of the world as we know it
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:44:28 -0700
>
>Check out the following link if you want to get depressed. :o)
>
>www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b082900.htm
>
>Doug
>
>
>
>
>
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12177 From: Tom Quinn <tom@q...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 4:34am
Subject: Mapping Software
I've finally picked up a laptop and am wondering if anyone can
recommend some good mapping software. I hope to soon get a GPS to
mate up with the laptop and software to use out on the trails. I've
heard of a few people doing this so let me know your thoughts on good
software and a compatible GPS. I don't know anything about them.
Thanks!
Tom
12178 From: Tom Dunn <tdunnsprint@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 5:38am
Subject: Re: "ads on top" Digest Number 273
Hmmm. It would be nice to dispose of these pesky ads. Actually, come to
think of it, we may have a legal basis for obecting to them. Which would be
our non-profit status. This might also allow E-Groups to forgo that $59 fee
per member and get themselves a nice tax deduction in the bargain. Gee,
hope they're listening.
Tom Dunn
tdunnsprint@e...
----- Original Message -----
From: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:42 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Digest Number 273
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:12:53 -0700
> From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
> Subject: E-Groups
>
> Oh, great and wise List Administrator. We pray to thee to rid us of
> pestilence, RAV4's, and adds on top of postings. Hear our prayers, so that
> we may flourish and be well satisfied.
>
> Thanks a bunch for anything you can do. :o)
>
> Doug
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:27:57 -0700
> From: "William Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> Subject: Re: ads on top
>
> It was just a matter of time before they figured out that we weren't
seeing the ads, as they were posted below the signature lines. Which in most
cases, was below the message body. The choice is before us... deal with it,
or shell out the Duckets..... Judging by past experience with this group,
I'd have to say most of us will take it lying down....
> Bill Mish
> Yldkat
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> http://drive.to/yldkat55
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Naylor
> To: Len Sullivan ; az_vjc@egroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ads on top
>
> I agree they are a pain in the ***, but when you think of all we get
with
> this free email service, I guess we will have to just live with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:38 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ads on top
>
> What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody
besides
> me annoyed by them?
>
> Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs
$59.40
> per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like
the
> 1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
>
> Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
>
> Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
>
> Len
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:17:23 -0700
> From: "Leonard K. Pennock" <leonardpennock@h...>
> Subject: Re: ads on top
>
> We have one other choice. Everyday go to their web site and complain
> about the location of the ads. If they get 300 messages/day about it may
> sway them to put it back to the way it was.
>
> I've already sent my complaint for today.
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:25:47 -0500
> From: "Jchio - Alloffroad.com" <jchio@a...>
> Subject: Re: ads on top
>
> A bronco mailing list is mooving to topica.com could that be an option?
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Jesus Chio
> www.alloffroad.com
>
> Free webpages
> http://signup.alloffroad.com
>
> My Eb project
> www.alloffroad.com/chio
>
> I have formally complained to them about this new policy. Getting rid of
> RAV4's might be easier - we shall see. I may just pay the 50 bucks for a
year.
>
> Also, if you read the messages from the web site, you don't get the ads in
> each message.
>
> -- Dan
12179 From: Ralph Williams <ralph@p...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 6:31am
Subject: Re: Mapping Software
OziExplorer works good. You have to provide the maps for it
though. You can use *ANY* graphic file for a map as long as you
have some points you can use to calibrate.
Maptech maps are really nice but for the state of AZ it will cost
about $500.
There are others, will look when I have more time.
I am using a laptop and a GPS in the Jeep.
Ralph
Tom Quinn wrote:
>
>
> I've finally picked up a laptop and am wondering if anyone can
> recommend some good mapping software. I hope to soon get a GPS to
> mate up with the laptop and software to use out on the trails. I've
> heard of a few people doing this so let me know your thoughts on good
> software and a compatible GPS. I don't know anything about them.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tom
12180 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 2:41am
Subject: Fwd: HI-LITES FROM ASA MEETING
From: "Gary MacLaren" gmaclaren@c...
To: "tom jenson" supgls95@c..., "scott duscher" sdjeepman@a..., "scott brady" sbrady@c..., "Mike Sundblom" msun@c..., "louise duscher" lduscher@a..., "Larry Sundblom" margesu@c..., "kent hopple" keh@k..., "John Jewett" jjvj@c..., "joe donna mcmahon" dlm4x4@c..., "jimmy allen" twister@c..., "Jerry Dexel" awc041@h..., "earl hopple" ehopple@c..., "Don Wyatt" dwyatt01@a..., "Dave Lewis" spurdal@a..., "Chris Lewis" flatfenderman@a..., "allen johnny" Jtallen@p..., "Gary MacLaren" gmaclaren@c...
Subject: HI-LITES FROM ASA MEETING
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:22:09 -0700
Hi Everyone,
Just a few notes from the meeting in Payson on 8 19 90:::::::::::
Registration deadline for JAMBO 2000 is Oct. 2, after that it will cost you more.
Everyone who volunteers to lead a trip, or work at Jambo, will get $25 and a special T shirt. They need lots of help this year, if you can"t lead a trip, there are other ways to help. Contact Sandee @ 480 832 8132, or Kurt Loga @ 623 581 9181.
The Alto Pit area in Prescott is a possibility for the 4WD Awareness training
g courses. Ben Avery range near Lake Pleasant is another.
ASA is requesting 2 raffle prizes from each club. It should be a good raffle this year, Bob Carney, who is in charge of prizes, says his goal is to get $ 25,000 worth of goodies for this years drawing.
Get registered guys, lets get the trophy back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12181 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 2:52am
Subject: Need a 44 front for a YJ
A buddy of mine is looking for a Dana 44 front axle for his 93 YJ. He really
doesn't want to drop the $3200 Dana Trac wants for a new one with an open
diff. Is anyone aware of a cheaper option?
12182 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 7:53am
Subject: Re: Fwd: BLM OHV Comment period deadline
Thanks for the reminder!
Linda
david oboyle wrote:
>
>
> >From: "GlamisOnLine / American Sand Association"
> ><GlamisOnLine@earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: AmSandAssoc@earthlink.net
> >To: "davidoboyle@hotmail.com" <davidoboyle@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: BLM OHV Comment period deadline
> >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 0:30:44 -0700
> >
> >The deadline is coming for our input to the BLM's new OHV strategy. It is
> >this Thursday 8/31.
> >They are bound by law to strike a balance on federal lands. It is up to us
> >to push the balance
> >point to our favor.
> >
> >The BLM has asked for feedback. They want some popularly driven direction.
> >
> >Please go to http://www.blm.gov/ohv/mailer.htm and give your input - there
> >are some suggested
> >comments below.
> >
> >Better yet by snail-mail:
> >
> >OHV Comment Manager
> >U.S. Bureau of Land Management
> >1849 C St. NW LSB406-C
> >Washington, DC 20240
> >
> >
> >
> >The BLM's final ORV strategy should include:
> >
> >ORVs should be allowed on multiple-use routes that are clearly marked with
> >signs indicating they
> >are open, and indicate who is allowed to use the route.
> >
> >The BLM should maintain open ORV routes until a study determines that the
> >routes cause major
> >environmental impacts.
> >
> >The spread of noxious weeds is more commonly done by birds and other
> >wildlife than by ORVs.
> >
> >BLM should demonstrate the minimal impact of ORVs, but also that the BLM
> >should appropriately limit
> >ORV use in National Forest wilderness areas, as is currently the case.
> >
> >Unauthorized routes, including existing routes created by ORVs should be
> >examined to determine
> >their feasibility and viability.
> >
> >Signs should be posted to prevent people from becoming disoriented and lost
> >on ORV routes.
> >
> >Environmentally damaging routes should be restored and maintained to
> >minimize damage.
> >
> >The BLM should continue building and examining possible new ORV routes and
> >direct funds to
> >effective monitoring, management, and restoration.
> >
> >
> >
> >Vincent J. Brunasso
> >Keith L. Rosewitz
> >Jerry R. Seaver
> >American Sand Association
> >To Unite, Inform, and Mobilize to Keep Our Dunes OPEN
> >
> >
>
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12183 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 7:49am
Subject: Re: ads on top
Who can I send the money too? I will donate the first $5.00.
I agree at the bottom was fine, but at the top is BS!!!
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
----------------------------------------------------
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fool forever."
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:05:06 -0700, lpennock@c...
wrote:
> It was tolerable when they were below the message. It is annoying now
> that they are above. If we all send 50 sents we can get rid of the ad
> for about 3 years.
>
>
> Len Sullivan wrote:
> >
> >
> > What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody
besides
> > me annoyed by them?
> >
> > Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs
$59.40
> > per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like
the
> > 1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
> >
> > Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
> >
> > Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
> >
> > Len
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
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12184 From: Dion & Paola <amstaff@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:16am
Subject: Ads on top
Reply to: Ads on top
I get my VJC e-mails in the digest form and don't have any ads at all. Weird.
Dion Bozman
94 YJ Sahara
12185 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:06am
Subject: RE: Mapping Software
For the money, I believe that OziExplorer is THE best software going. Go to
www.oziexplorer.com to check it out. I know a number of folks here in the
valley that use it. It is $75 shareware and puts most of the commercial
releases at twice the price to shame.
I use it with my Garmin III+ and also the public domain USGS digital raster
graphics (DRG) CDs. These give me 7.5' topo coverage (1:24,000 scale) of
where I go wheelin'.
If I had to pick another, it would probably be Delorme 3-D Topo, although it
is does not provide as many functions as does Ozi.
Regardless of which mapping software you get, if you get a Garmin GPS that
allows map uploads, I would also recommend the Roads & Rec CD. It is a bit
expensive @ $100, but it augments the base map in the Garmin with a lot of
useful info, IMHO.
I have some more info about Ozi on my off-road web site. Just follow the
links to it (sig line below). It does not cover the entire menu of features
that Ozi has, but gives a good overview of many of the more powerful
functions.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 04:34
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Mapping Software
>
>
>
>I've finally picked up a laptop and am wondering if anyone can
>recommend some good mapping software. I hope to soon get a GPS to
>mate up with the laptop and software to use out on the trails. I've
>heard of a few people doing this so let me know your thoughts on good
>software and a compatible GPS. I don't know anything about them.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
12186 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:26am
Subject: LU - Land Lawsuit - our money at work!
Forwarded from the Jeep TJ mail list. Someone is looking out for us.
ChrisK
----------
WASHINGTON (AP) - Land-use groups are challenging five new national
monuments in federal court, claiming President Clinton overstepped his
authority by putting new restrictions on 1.5 million acres in Arizona,
Colorado, Oregon and Washington state. The Mountain States Legal Foundation
and the BlueRibbon Coalition filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court here
Tuesday seeking to overturn creation of the monuments, which are among 10
Clinton designated this year on 4 million acres the government already
owned. Mining, logging, oil drilling and off-road vehicle use are banned or
restricted in the monuments. "The bottom line is, the president doesn't have
the authority to do what he's done," said William Perry Pendley of the
Mountain States Legal Foundation, a conservative group with a pending
lawsuit challenging Clinton's 1996 creation of a national monument in Utah.
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2569306337-2c6
12187 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:08am
Subject: Poker run
What about some kind of poker run for AZVJC? I am sure we could raise a
few clams to get no advertisements...
Chris
----------
From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
To: AZ_VJC <AZ_VJC@egroups.com>
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ads on top
Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:27 AM
It was just a matter of time before they figured out that we weren't seeing
the ads, as they were posted below the signature lines. Which in most
cases, was below the message body. The choice is before us... deal with it,
or shell out the Duckets..... Judging by past experience with this group,
I'd have to say most of us will take it lying down....
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Naylor
To: Len Sullivan ; az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ads on top
My Groups | az_vjc Main Page | Start a new group!
I agree they are a pain in the ***, but when you think of all we get with
this free email service, I guess we will have to just live with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:38 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] ads on top
What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody
besides
me annoyed by them?
Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs $59.40
per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like
the
1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
Len
12163 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 9:09pm
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ZJ] Access for All / USFS Protest Sign stickers]
Sorry for the resend. I don't know if the last post worked!
Linda
Tom Zehrbach <tzehrbach@h...> writes:
12x4 inch stickers - the left half of the sticker has the USFS "No
Trespassing" sign, the right half has the words "Access for All". You
can cut them in half for 2 4x6 inch stickers, or use it whole.
Price is $2 per sticker. Postage for sticker-only orders is $1. As
always with Access for All merchandise, any profits will be sent to Blue
Ribbon Coalition to help keep our trails open. (We've already sent $600
to them - thanks for your purchases everyone).
Ordering info: http://www.eugenestuff.com - click on the sticker image
about 1/4 of the way down the main page.
Tom Zehrbach
'95 ZJ w/ stuff
Eugene Stuff, LLC.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT
12164 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 9:12pm
Subject: Re: ads on top
I like the Bill Luke approach.
Linda
Leonard K. Pennock wrote:
>
> It was tolerable when they were below the message. It is annoying now
> that they are above. If we all send 50 sents we can get rid of the ad
> for about 3 years.
>
> Len Sullivan wrote:
> >
> >
> > What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody besides
> > me annoyed by them?
> >
> > Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs $59.40
> > per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like the
> > 1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
> >
> > Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
> >
> > Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
> >
> > Len
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12165 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 9:08pm
Subject: Re: ads on top
If we do the Bill Luke treatment to egroups as a group, should we all cut
and paste one of their ads to the top of the complaint letters? Just to
show how annoying they are.......................
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
>I like the Bill Luke approach.
>
>Linda
>
>
12166 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 9:04pm
Subject: Motor mount fun...
Would anyone in the Ahwatukee/Tempe area be interested in lending a hand or
the use of a floor jack? I have a motor mount that needs repair. Thanks
to everyone who responded to my last e-mail.
Chris
602-791-9259
12167 From: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 9:51pm
Subject: RE: ads on top
I agree they are a pain in the ***, but when you think of all we get with
this free email service, I guess we will have to just live with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:38 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] ads on top
What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody besides
me annoyed by them?
Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs $59.40
per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like the
1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
Len
12168 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:01pm
Subject: Test just delete.
I don't think all the messages are getting the headers.
Tim Naylor wrote:
>
>
> I agree they are a pain in the ***, but when you think of all we get with
> this free email service, I guess we will have to just live with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:38 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ads on top
>
> What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody besides
> me annoyed by them?
>
> Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs $59.40
> per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like the
> 1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
>
> Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
>
> Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
>
> Len
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12169 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:12pm
Subject: E-Groups
Oh, great and wise List Administrator. We pray to thee to rid us of
pestilence, RAV4's, and adds on top of postings. Hear our prayers, so that
we may flourish and be well satisfied.
Thanks a bunch for anything you can do. :o)
Doug
12170 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:27pm
Subject: Re: ads on top
It was just a matter of time before they figured out that we weren't seeing the ads, as they were posted below the signature lines. Which in most cases, was below the message body. The choice is before us... deal with it, or shell out the Duckets..... Judging by past experience with this group, I'd have to say most of us will take it lying down....
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Naylor
To: Len Sullivan ; az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ads on top
I agree they are a pain in the ***, but when you think of all we get with
this free email service, I guess we will have to just live with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@extremezone.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:38 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] ads on top
What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody besides
me annoyed by them?
Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs $59.40
per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like the
1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
Len
12171 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:17pm
Subject: Re: ads on top
We have one other choice. Everyday go to their web site and complain
about the location of the ads. If they get 300 messages/day about it may
sway them to put it back to the way it was.
I've already sent my complaint for today.
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12172 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:25pm
Subject: Re: ads on top
A bronco mailing list is mooving to topica.com could that be an option?
Just a thought...
Jesus Chio
www.alloffroad.com
Free webpages
http://signup.alloffroad.com
My Eb project
www.alloffroad.com/chio
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard K. Pennock
To: AZ_VJC
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ads on top
We have one other choice. Everyday go to their web site and complain
about the location of the ads. If they get 300 messages/day about it may
sway them to put it back to the way it was.
I've already sent my complaint for today.
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
12173 From: <revolvr@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 6:20pm
Subject: Re: E-Groups
In a message dated 8/29/00 10:09:14 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
azjeep@h... writes:
> Oh, great and wise List Administrator. We pray to thee to rid us of
> pestilence, RAV4's, and adds on top of postings. Hear our prayers, so that
> we may flourish and be well satisfied.
>
> Thanks a bunch for anything you can do. :o)
>
> Doug
I have formally complained to them about this new policy. Getting rid of
RAV4's might be easier - we shall see. I may just pay the 50 bucks for a year.
Also, if you read the messages from the web site, you don't get the ads in
each message.
-- Dan
12174 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 10:36pm
Subject: Vote NO on PROP 202
Just heard the first radio add agianst prop 202.
The one where the Serria club is trying to screw with Arizona land owners
and urban sprawl...
So when it is time to vote Vote NO on PROP202.......
Dave
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12175 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 11:25pm
Subject: Fwd: BLM OHV Comment period deadline
>From: "GlamisOnLine / American Sand Association"
><GlamisOnLine@e...>
>Reply-To: AmSandAssoc@e...
>To: "davidoboyle@h..." <davidoboyle@h...>
>Subject: BLM OHV Comment period deadline
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 0:30:44 -0700
>
>The deadline is coming for our input to the BLM's new OHV strategy. It is
>this Thursday 8/31.
>They are bound by law to strike a balance on federal lands. It is up to us
>to push the balance
>point to our favor.
>
>The BLM has asked for feedback. They want some popularly driven direction.
>
>Please go to http://www.blm.gov/ohv/mailer.htm and give your input - there
>are some suggested
>comments below.
>
>Better yet by snail-mail:
>
>OHV Comment Manager
>U.S. Bureau of Land Management
>1849 C St. NW LSB406-C
>Washington, DC 20240
>
>
>
>The BLM's final ORV strategy should include:
>
>ORVs should be allowed on multiple-use routes that are clearly marked with
>signs indicating they
>are open, and indicate who is allowed to use the route.
>
>The BLM should maintain open ORV routes until a study determines that the
>routes cause major
>environmental impacts.
>
>The spread of noxious weeds is more commonly done by birds and other
>wildlife than by ORVs.
>
>BLM should demonstrate the minimal impact of ORVs, but also that the BLM
>should appropriately limit
>ORV use in National Forest wilderness areas, as is currently the case.
>
>Unauthorized routes, including existing routes created by ORVs should be
>examined to determine
>their feasibility and viability.
>
>Signs should be posted to prevent people from becoming disoriented and lost
>on ORV routes.
>
>Environmentally damaging routes should be restored and maintained to
>minimize damage.
>
>The BLM should continue building and examining possible new ORV routes and
>direct funds to
>effective monitoring, management, and restoration.
>
>
>
>Vincent J. Brunasso
>Keith L. Rosewitz
>Jerry R. Seaver
>American Sand Association
>To Unite, Inform, and Mobilize to Keep Our Dunes OPEN
>
>
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12176 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2000 9:13pm
Subject: Re: It's the end of the world as we know it
Definately sad news but think of the potential. There is a certian somone
that has a KIA with 35's and straight axles... You never know....
When the XJ came out people were doubting it's capability. There are people
out there running 36in tires off this unibody platform.. It's all in the
enginuity I guess...
Dave
>From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
>To: "AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] It's the end of the world as we know it
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:44:28 -0700
>
>Check out the following link if you want to get depressed. :o)
>
>www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b082900.htm
>
>Doug
>
>
>
>
>
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12177 From: Tom Quinn <tom@q...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 4:34am
Subject: Mapping Software
I've finally picked up a laptop and am wondering if anyone can
recommend some good mapping software. I hope to soon get a GPS to
mate up with the laptop and software to use out on the trails. I've
heard of a few people doing this so let me know your thoughts on good
software and a compatible GPS. I don't know anything about them.
Thanks!
Tom
12178 From: Tom Dunn <tdunnsprint@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 5:38am
Subject: Re: "ads on top" Digest Number 273
Hmmm. It would be nice to dispose of these pesky ads. Actually, come to
think of it, we may have a legal basis for obecting to them. Which would be
our non-profit status. This might also allow E-Groups to forgo that $59 fee
per member and get themselves a nice tax deduction in the bargain. Gee,
hope they're listening.
Tom Dunn
tdunnsprint@e...
----- Original Message -----
From: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:42 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Digest Number 273
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:12:53 -0700
> From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
> Subject: E-Groups
>
> Oh, great and wise List Administrator. We pray to thee to rid us of
> pestilence, RAV4's, and adds on top of postings. Hear our prayers, so that
> we may flourish and be well satisfied.
>
> Thanks a bunch for anything you can do. :o)
>
> Doug
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:27:57 -0700
> From: "William Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> Subject: Re: ads on top
>
> It was just a matter of time before they figured out that we weren't
seeing the ads, as they were posted below the signature lines. Which in most
cases, was below the message body. The choice is before us... deal with it,
or shell out the Duckets..... Judging by past experience with this group,
I'd have to say most of us will take it lying down....
> Bill Mish
> Yldkat
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> http://drive.to/yldkat55
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Naylor
> To: Len Sullivan ; az_vjc@egroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:51 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ads on top
>
> I agree they are a pain in the ***, but when you think of all we get
with
> this free email service, I guess we will have to just live with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:38 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ads on top
>
> What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody
besides
> me annoyed by them?
>
> Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs
$59.40
> per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like
the
> 1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
>
> Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
>
> Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
>
> Len
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:17:23 -0700
> From: "Leonard K. Pennock" <leonardpennock@h...>
> Subject: Re: ads on top
>
> We have one other choice. Everyday go to their web site and complain
> about the location of the ads. If they get 300 messages/day about it may
> sway them to put it back to the way it was.
>
> I've already sent my complaint for today.
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:25:47 -0500
> From: "Jchio - Alloffroad.com" <jchio@a...>
> Subject: Re: ads on top
>
> A bronco mailing list is mooving to topica.com could that be an option?
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Jesus Chio
> www.alloffroad.com
>
> Free webpages
> http://signup.alloffroad.com
>
> My Eb project
> www.alloffroad.com/chio
>
> I have formally complained to them about this new policy. Getting rid of
> RAV4's might be easier - we shall see. I may just pay the 50 bucks for a
year.
>
> Also, if you read the messages from the web site, you don't get the ads in
> each message.
>
> -- Dan
12179 From: Ralph Williams <ralph@p...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 6:31am
Subject: Re: Mapping Software
OziExplorer works good. You have to provide the maps for it
though. You can use *ANY* graphic file for a map as long as you
have some points you can use to calibrate.
Maptech maps are really nice but for the state of AZ it will cost
about $500.
There are others, will look when I have more time.
I am using a laptop and a GPS in the Jeep.
Ralph
Tom Quinn wrote:
>
>
> I've finally picked up a laptop and am wondering if anyone can
> recommend some good mapping software. I hope to soon get a GPS to
> mate up with the laptop and software to use out on the trails. I've
> heard of a few people doing this so let me know your thoughts on good
> software and a compatible GPS. I don't know anything about them.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tom
12180 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 2:41am
Subject: Fwd: HI-LITES FROM ASA MEETING
From: "Gary MacLaren" gmaclaren@c...
To: "tom jenson" supgls95@c..., "scott duscher" sdjeepman@a..., "scott brady" sbrady@c..., "Mike Sundblom" msun@c..., "louise duscher" lduscher@a..., "Larry Sundblom" margesu@c..., "kent hopple" keh@k..., "John Jewett" jjvj@c..., "joe donna mcmahon" dlm4x4@c..., "jimmy allen" twister@c..., "Jerry Dexel" awc041@h..., "earl hopple" ehopple@c..., "Don Wyatt" dwyatt01@a..., "Dave Lewis" spurdal@a..., "Chris Lewis" flatfenderman@a..., "allen johnny" Jtallen@p..., "Gary MacLaren" gmaclaren@c...
Subject: HI-LITES FROM ASA MEETING
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:22:09 -0700
Hi Everyone,
Just a few notes from the meeting in Payson on 8 19 90:::::::::::
Registration deadline for JAMBO 2000 is Oct. 2, after that it will cost you more.
Everyone who volunteers to lead a trip, or work at Jambo, will get $25 and a special T shirt. They need lots of help this year, if you can"t lead a trip, there are other ways to help. Contact Sandee @ 480 832 8132, or Kurt Loga @ 623 581 9181.
The Alto Pit area in Prescott is a possibility for the 4WD Awareness training
g courses. Ben Avery range near Lake Pleasant is another.
ASA is requesting 2 raffle prizes from each club. It should be a good raffle this year, Bob Carney, who is in charge of prizes, says his goal is to get $ 25,000 worth of goodies for this years drawing.
Get registered guys, lets get the trophy back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12181 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 2:52am
Subject: Need a 44 front for a YJ
A buddy of mine is looking for a Dana 44 front axle for his 93 YJ. He really
doesn't want to drop the $3200 Dana Trac wants for a new one with an open
diff. Is anyone aware of a cheaper option?
12182 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 7:53am
Subject: Re: Fwd: BLM OHV Comment period deadline
Thanks for the reminder!
Linda
david oboyle wrote:
>
>
> >From: "GlamisOnLine / American Sand Association"
> ><GlamisOnLine@earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: AmSandAssoc@earthlink.net
> >To: "davidoboyle@hotmail.com" <davidoboyle@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: BLM OHV Comment period deadline
> >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 0:30:44 -0700
> >
> >The deadline is coming for our input to the BLM's new OHV strategy. It is
> >this Thursday 8/31.
> >They are bound by law to strike a balance on federal lands. It is up to us
> >to push the balance
> >point to our favor.
> >
> >The BLM has asked for feedback. They want some popularly driven direction.
> >
> >Please go to http://www.blm.gov/ohv/mailer.htm and give your input - there
> >are some suggested
> >comments below.
> >
> >Better yet by snail-mail:
> >
> >OHV Comment Manager
> >U.S. Bureau of Land Management
> >1849 C St. NW LSB406-C
> >Washington, DC 20240
> >
> >
> >
> >The BLM's final ORV strategy should include:
> >
> >ORVs should be allowed on multiple-use routes that are clearly marked with
> >signs indicating they
> >are open, and indicate who is allowed to use the route.
> >
> >The BLM should maintain open ORV routes until a study determines that the
> >routes cause major
> >environmental impacts.
> >
> >The spread of noxious weeds is more commonly done by birds and other
> >wildlife than by ORVs.
> >
> >BLM should demonstrate the minimal impact of ORVs, but also that the BLM
> >should appropriately limit
> >ORV use in National Forest wilderness areas, as is currently the case.
> >
> >Unauthorized routes, including existing routes created by ORVs should be
> >examined to determine
> >their feasibility and viability.
> >
> >Signs should be posted to prevent people from becoming disoriented and lost
> >on ORV routes.
> >
> >Environmentally damaging routes should be restored and maintained to
> >minimize damage.
> >
> >The BLM should continue building and examining possible new ORV routes and
> >direct funds to
> >effective monitoring, management, and restoration.
> >
> >
> >
> >Vincent J. Brunasso
> >Keith L. Rosewitz
> >Jerry R. Seaver
> >American Sand Association
> >To Unite, Inform, and Mobilize to Keep Our Dunes OPEN
> >
> >
>
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12183 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 7:49am
Subject: Re: ads on top
Who can I send the money too? I will donate the first $5.00.
I agree at the bottom was fine, but at the top is BS!!!
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:05:06 -0700, lpennock@c...
wrote:
> It was tolerable when they were below the message. It is annoying now
> that they are above. If we all send 50 sents we can get rid of the ad
> for about 3 years.
>
>
> Len Sullivan wrote:
> >
> >
> > What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody
besides
> > me annoyed by them?
> >
> > Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs
$59.40
> > per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like
the
> > 1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
> >
> > Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
> >
> > Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
> >
> > Len
>
> --
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>
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> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
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12184 From: Dion & Paola <amstaff@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:16am
Subject: Ads on top
Reply to: Ads on top
I get my VJC e-mails in the digest form and don't have any ads at all. Weird.
Dion Bozman
94 YJ Sahara
12185 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:06am
Subject: RE: Mapping Software
For the money, I believe that OziExplorer is THE best software going. Go to
www.oziexplorer.com to check it out. I know a number of folks here in the
valley that use it. It is $75 shareware and puts most of the commercial
releases at twice the price to shame.
I use it with my Garmin III+ and also the public domain USGS digital raster
graphics (DRG) CDs. These give me 7.5' topo coverage (1:24,000 scale) of
where I go wheelin'.
If I had to pick another, it would probably be Delorme 3-D Topo, although it
is does not provide as many functions as does Ozi.
Regardless of which mapping software you get, if you get a Garmin GPS that
allows map uploads, I would also recommend the Roads & Rec CD. It is a bit
expensive @ $100, but it augments the base map in the Garmin with a lot of
useful info, IMHO.
I have some more info about Ozi on my off-road web site. Just follow the
links to it (sig line below). It does not cover the entire menu of features
that Ozi has, but gives a good overview of many of the more powerful
functions.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 04:34
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Mapping Software
>
>
>
>I've finally picked up a laptop and am wondering if anyone can
>recommend some good mapping software. I hope to soon get a GPS to
>mate up with the laptop and software to use out on the trails. I've
>heard of a few people doing this so let me know your thoughts on good
>software and a compatible GPS. I don't know anything about them.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
12186 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:26am
Subject: LU - Land Lawsuit - our money at work!
Forwarded from the Jeep TJ mail list. Someone is looking out for us.
ChrisK
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Land-use groups are challenging five new national
monuments in federal court, claiming President Clinton overstepped his
authority by putting new restrictions on 1.5 million acres in Arizona,
Colorado, Oregon and Washington state. The Mountain States Legal Foundation
and the BlueRibbon Coalition filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court here
Tuesday seeking to overturn creation of the monuments, which are among 10
Clinton designated this year on 4 million acres the government already
owned. Mining, logging, oil drilling and off-road vehicle use are banned or
restricted in the monuments. "The bottom line is, the president doesn't have
the authority to do what he's done," said William Perry Pendley of the
Mountain States Legal Foundation, a conservative group with a pending
lawsuit challenging Clinton's 1996 creation of a national monument in Utah.
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2569306337-2c6
12187 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Wed Aug 30, 2000 8:08am
Subject: Poker run
What about some kind of poker run for AZVJC? I am sure we could raise a
few clams to get no advertisements...
Chris
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From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
To: AZ_VJC <AZ_VJC@egroups.com>
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ads on top
Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:27 AM
It was just a matter of time before they figured out that we weren't seeing
the ads, as they were posted below the signature lines. Which in most
cases, was below the message body. The choice is before us... deal with it,
or shell out the Duckets..... Judging by past experience with this group,
I'd have to say most of us will take it lying down....
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Naylor
To: Len Sullivan ; az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ads on top
My Groups | az_vjc Main Page | Start a new group!
I agree they are a pain in the ***, but when you think of all we get with
this free email service, I guess we will have to just live with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@e...]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:38 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] ads on top
What do y'all think of the ads on top of the messages? Is anybody
besides
me annoyed by them?
Egroups has a 'no advertising' option for the groups, but it costs $59.40
per year ( http://www.egroups.com/info/noads.html ). It looks like
the
1FSJ group is going to take up a collection to dump the ads.
Comments? Suggestions? (the Bill Luke treatment perhaps?)
Or should I just shut up and live with it? :-)
Len