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12088 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 10:49am
Subject: White Tanks cleanup photos
Here are a few photos of the White Tanks cleanup Saturday. Used without
permission of the Jeep owner so if anyone objects please notify me
immediately and I will remove those with your Jeep.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=8395591
Jon
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@m...
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12089 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 10:47am
Subject: RE: 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
Well now we know how the pyramids where built, they had JEEPS!
I never imagined how hard that was going to be. I only was there one night
and it was a big job.
We all owe Bill Mish a big thank you, without his single minded focus that
ZJ would be there next year. He spent his own money and many 32hour work
days to get it done. He fixed everyone on the trail that was there and never
complained, just worked hard, non stop.
Lots of people helped out but Bill really made it happen.
Ross Skinner
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@h...]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:28 PM
To: AZ_VJC; William Mish
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
Bill - Thanks for putting this together and for putting in so much of your
time and efforts into this. I was totally amazed at how you and others on
previous trips had been able to cut up the ZJ into bite size pieces. Great
stuff! Thanks!
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <AZ_VJC@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
> It is out!!
> Arrived at the trailhead, with just a trailer, and met up with Blake in
his
> stepside GMC, and Devon in his CJ-6. We parked the truck and trailer at
the
> top, by all the drug out parts, and proceeded in from the back way. I
> spotted them both back to the ZJ, where we came up with the plan to get
the
> motor and tranny in the back of the GMC. With the motor and tranny in the
> back of Blake's stepside, We got the Gmc and the CJ-6 headed back out when
> Bill arrived in his Blue TJ. We were relaxing a bit, and talking when Doug
> B. and Mike Chatfield showed up. We watched as they came over White Line,
> and through Terminator, And then we tied a Front clip half to each of
their
> Jeeps to drag out. I was going to wait for more people to show up, as they
> all headed out. After an Hour and no one arriving, I decided to start
> walking out. I caught up with everyone at the end of the trail in a big
> traffic Jam. I spotted Devon out, and in the process, he bent his drag
link.
> We straightened it a little, then got him off the trail. This is when I
met
> up with Jason in his CJ-5. He and the Extra cab F-150 went back to the ZJ,
> and got all the rest of the parts, Loaded them in the back of the F-150,
and
> came back up, as we were headed down. Greg and Keith Auble showed up, and
we
> were working our way back to the ZJ, when we met back up with Jason.
> Jason ended up dragging the 2 fender pieces the rest of the way up the end
> of the trail. Everyone helped load the ZJ parts onto the trailer, and
after
> a rather interesting episode of trying to straighten the spring lever on
the
> trailer, we got rolling to the "Parking lot" . We arrived there about 3:00
> am, I think. Keith and I spent the night on the hill, and then went to
Black
> Canyon City for breakfast, before coming home......
>
> VICTORIOUS!!!!!
>
> Thanks to everyone, I know I didn't mention everyone's name, so if I
forgot,
> please forgive me!
>
> Bill Mish
> Yldkat
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> http://drive.to/yldkat55
>
>
>
>
12090 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 11:06am
Subject: RE: White Tanks cleanup photos
Jon,
It was good seeing you yesterday. I thought your "trash sledge" was a
pretty good idea. At first, I wasn't sure what you were doing with it since
I only saw you dragging it with nothing on it. Larry gave me in the inside
scoop that you were using it as a 4x4 powered "trash barge"! LOL!
Thanks for posting the pictures!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@m...]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:49 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks cleanup photos
Here are a few photos of the White Tanks cleanup Saturday. Used without
permission of the Jeep owner so if anyone objects please notify me
immediately and I will remove those with your Jeep.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=8395591
Jon
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@m...
12091 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 11:11am
Subject: RE: 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
You said it Ross!
BIG JEEP WAVE TO BILL! You did what a lot of us couldn't.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:48 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
Well now we know how the pyramids where built, they had JEEPS!
I never imagined how hard that was going to be. I only was there one night
and it was a big job.
We all owe Bill Mish a big thank you, without his single minded focus that
ZJ would be there next year. He spent his own money and many 32hour work
days to get it done. He fixed everyone on the trail that was there and never
complained, just worked hard, non stop.
Lots of people helped out but Bill really made it happen.
Ross Skinner
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@h...]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:28 PM
To: AZ_VJC; William Mish
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
Bill - Thanks for putting this together and for putting in so much of your
time and efforts into this. I was totally amazed at how you and others on
previous trips had been able to cut up the ZJ into bite size pieces. Great
stuff! Thanks!
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <AZ_VJC@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
> It is out!!
> Arrived at the trailhead, with just a trailer, and met up with Blake in
his
> stepside GMC, and Devon in his CJ-6. We parked the truck and trailer at
the
> top, by all the drug out parts, and proceeded in from the back way. I
> spotted them both back to the ZJ, where we came up with the plan to get
the
> motor and tranny in the back of the GMC. With the motor and tranny in the
> back of Blake's stepside, We got the Gmc and the CJ-6 headed back out when
> Bill arrived in his Blue TJ. We were relaxing a bit, and talking when Doug
> B. and Mike Chatfield showed up. We watched as they came over White Line,
> and through Terminator, And then we tied a Front clip half to each of
their
> Jeeps to drag out. I was going to wait for more people to show up, as they
> all headed out. After an Hour and no one arriving, I decided to start
> walking out. I caught up with everyone at the end of the trail in a big
> traffic Jam. I spotted Devon out, and in the process, he bent his drag
link.
> We straightened it a little, then got him off the trail. This is when I
met
> up with Jason in his CJ-5. He and the Extra cab F-150 went back to the ZJ,
> and got all the rest of the parts, Loaded them in the back of the F-150,
and
> came back up, as we were headed down. Greg and Keith Auble showed up, and
we
> were working our way back to the ZJ, when we met back up with Jason.
> Jason ended up dragging the 2 fender pieces the rest of the way up the end
> of the trail. Everyone helped load the ZJ parts onto the trailer, and
after
> a rather interesting episode of trying to straighten the spring lever on
the
> trailer, we got rolling to the "Parking lot" . We arrived there about 3:00
> am, I think. Keith and I spent the night on the hill, and then went to
Black
> Canyon City for breakfast, before coming home......
>
> VICTORIOUS!!!!!
>
> Thanks to everyone, I know I didn't mention everyone's name, so if I
forgot,
> please forgive me!
>
> Bill Mish
> Yldkat
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> http://drive.to/yldkat55
>
>
>
>
12092 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 0:26pm
Subject: Copyright clarification
NO. NO. NO.
You guys are ALL more than welcome to Photograph with your camera, my Jeep
on ANY of the runs we are on together. I would share the same views as the
rest of you on this, in that I would be honored, and this activity is
completely acceptable to me. You may feel Welcome to post those pictures in
public view, on the internet, web page, mix 'em match 'em trade 'em with
your friends! Whatever you want to do with them. If you are on the run, you
were invited and have a right to them. If I am on the run, my consent to
this is implied.
I don't know how this got twisted, but it did.
I suspect, my use of "take pictures" should have been clarified to "stealing
pictures already taken by another photographer of my Jeep on a run sponsored
by a particular web site, in which you were not in attendance, off the web
site with a copyright disclaimer and without permission, to promote, or
profit your personal or professional site." This is what I'm talking about.
I believe strongly that this activity is unethical, and wrong. One thing
can be done to make it right.... OBTAIN PERMISSION!!!
If you disagree with this, there's a good chance I won't think highly of you
as a person. Not that would matter any to you if you do disagree.
I'm excluding Photopoint, or any other "AZVJC group site" in this.
We are all a pretty tight knit group, and I understand how things can get
misunderstood, especially when it is in writing, and I'm not there to
clarify in person.
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
12093 From: Dion & Paola <amstaff@e...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 0:44pm
Subject: XJ thanks, cleanup, Ahwatukee
Reply to: XJ thanks, cleanup, Ahwatukee
Thanks to Bill and everyone involved in getting the XJ off Terminator. A job well done.
I took part in the White Tanks cleanup Saturday a.m. Mostly worked with the guys I normally run with (Stu, Larry, etc.), but it was good to meet a couple new VJCers. I'd never been to the White Tanks before and was appalled at the mess in the Dunes area. Was that place actually a dump at one time? Looked like several generations worth of trash in some spots.
Still, we did what we could and the place definitely looked better when we were done. Also got to run a couple trails that I'd never been through, which was a blast.
Finally, for those VJCers who live in Ahwatukee ... me, too. The Mexican place next to Macaroni Grill is called On the Border. Personally, my wife and I love it and eat there often. I've yet to see a VJC sticker here, but I keep looking. If you ever see a desert sand YJ Sahara with 5 inches of lift, ugly three-spoke aluminum wheels, 33-inch MT/Rs and a big, bald guy driving, that's me.
Dion
94 YJ Sahara
12094 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 0:50pm
Subject: Re: XJ thanks, cleanup, Ahwatukee
You may see a poopy-brown colored YJ running around, on stock suspension
with a lot of dents/scratches/etc all over it, and that would be me. I am
around 51st street and Elliot road.
Chris
----------
> From: Dion & Paola <amstaff@e...>
> To: az_vjc <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Subject: [az_vjc] XJ thanks, cleanup, Ahwatukee
> Date: Sunday, August 27, 2000 2:44 PM
>
> Reply to: XJ thanks, cleanup, Ahwatukee
> Thanks to Bill and everyone involved in getting the XJ off Terminator. A
job well done.
>
> I took part in the White Tanks cleanup Saturday a.m. Mostly worked with
the guys I normally run with (Stu, Larry, etc.), but it was good to meet a
couple new VJCers. I'd never been to the White Tanks before and was
appalled at the mess in the Dunes area. Was that place actually a dump at
one time? Looked like several generations worth of trash in some spots.
>
> Still, we did what we could and the place definitely looked better when
we were done. Also got to run a couple trails that I'd never been through,
which was a blast.
>
> Finally, for those VJCers who live in Ahwatukee ... me, too. The Mexican
place next to Macaroni Grill is called On the Border. Personally, my wife
and I love it and eat there often. I've yet to see a VJC sticker here, but
I keep looking. If you ever see a desert sand YJ Sahara with 5 inches of
lift, ugly three-spoke aluminum wheels, 33-inch MT/Rs and a big, bald guy
driving, that's me.
>
> Dion
> 94 YJ Sahara
>
>
>
>
12095 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 1:31pm
Subject: Fwd: Re: CLARIFICATION! PLS READ! copyright question
This question and answer email is posted to help to clarify the thread that has been going on about photo copyright. I was confused and I suspect others have been also. Bill cleared things up for me and he requested that this be passed on to the group. Whew.
Jon
X-Originating-IP: [204.181.58.21]
From: "William Mish"
To: "Jon Loveless"
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION! PLS READ! copyright question
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:14:00 -0700
Organization: Wildcat Off Road
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2000 17:58:36.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C503DC0:01C01050]
John, I would like you or me to forward a copy of this to AZVJC, because
other members have expressed the same concerns. Let me know....
NO. NO. NO.
You guys are ALL more than welcome to Photograph with your camera, my Jeep
on ANY of the runs we are on together. I would share the same views as the
rest of you on this, in that I would be honored, and this activity is
completely acceptable to me. You may feel Welcome to post those pictures in
public view, on the internet, web page, mix 'em match 'em trade 'em with
your friends! Whatever you want to do with them. If you are on the run, you
were invited and have a right to them. If I am on the run, my consent to
this is implied.
I don't know how this got twisted, but it did.
I suspect, my use of "take pictures" should have been clarified to "stealing
pictures already taken by another photographer of my Jeep on a run sponsored
by a particular web site, in which you were not in attendance, off the web
site with a copyright disclaimer and without permission, to promote, or
profit your personal or professional site." This is what I'm talking about.
I believe strongly that this activity is unethical, and wrong. One thing
can be done to make it right.... OBTAIN PERMISSION!!!
If you disagree with this, there's a good chance I won't think highly of you
as a person. Not that would matter any to you if you do disagree.
I'm excluding Photopoint, or any other "AZVJC group site" in this.
We are all a pretty tight knit group, and I understand how things can get
misunderstood, especially when it is in writing, and I'm not there to
clarify in person.
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Loveless
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:13 AM
Subject: copyright question
> Bill - I came into this a bit late. I have about 500 photos taken on AZVJC
> trail runs - 99% of other peoples jeeps - posted on PhotoPoint - without
> anyones permission. I don't think I have any of your rig, but are you
> saying that I shouldn't have posted them? I would think that on a run if
> people see me with my camera they will assume that I will post them. That
> assumption, I figure, implies some level of permission. Folks seem to love
> seeing their rigs in flex.
>
> I figure that the issue with you and someone is personal and that you are
> not advocating that people like me stop what we are doing. Right? Wrong?
>
> Frankly, I would stop taking my camera with me in a flash if it turns out
> to require permission. I do it for others, not myself and I could leave
the
> camera home with no ill effects.
>
> Curious.
>
> Jon
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> (602)432-7860 cell
> (480)816-6240 home
> jonloveless@mindspring.com
>
>
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@mindspring.com
12096 From: <biglowt@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 3:33pm
Subject: Member sightings
I see a few Jeeps when I am visiting my gf in Tukee. There are a few in the
presidio apartments where she lives. Anyone here belong to them?
I own a white YJ lifted, always frequent Carrabas at I10 and Ray, just for
the info. Later, Tom
12097 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 8:28pm
Subject: ASA4WDC Jamboree/P4W Crown King/Jim Myers
On the P4W Crown King/Jim Myers Memorial run today, I had an opportunity
to talk to Sandy McCullen about the Jamboree.
The permit has finally gone through, with the old $4 per vehicle per day
fee, and not the new $4 per person/animal per day fee. Based on my
family of five and a dog for three days, the difference would be $12 vs.
$72. This fee one reason P4W Roundup, a 7 day event, was cancelled. It
really is great that Sandy managed to get the old fee for Jamboree.
This was not pretty, and another State agency, RAC, got involved. RAC
consists of 15 members appointed by Gov. Hull and Bruce Babbit. RAC
agreed with ASA4WDC and got the permit pushed through with the old fees.
Sandy mentioned that she would like to see the Florence Junction area
returned to the PHX office, especially seeing as that the Tucson office
doesn't even have anyone out there. She doesn't think that this will
happen though, because funding is given on a per acre basis, giving any
BLM office incentive to hold on to land whether they are in a position
to manage it properly or not.
The invitations are currently at the printers, and should go out next
week.
----------
There were 20 vehicles at the memorial service for Jim at KissMe hill.
I believe we ended up with 26 by the time we got to CK. P4W provided
lunch at the Switchback.
I believe that ASA4WDC is going to rename the Ajax Loop trail Myer's
Loop in honor of the work he has done for thew and us, and the many
years he led the trail at Jamboree.
12098 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 9:34pm
Subject: shop recommendation
Hi all
In light of the recent thread on poor service at Jeep dealers, I wanted to
let the group know about a GOOD shop that I've dealt with. Last week Pam's
Dodge Dakota died. It would crank and had good fuel pressure and volume,
but no spark. I spent a couple of hours troubleshooting the electrical
system with a DVOM and couldn't find anything that would cause the problem.
I finally gave up and towed the Dakota to Inman and Sons Car and Truck
Repair on 7th St just south of Maryland. (Mandatory Jeep content -- I
used the strap Linda gave us as a wedding present to tow the Dakota behind
my J-10.....thanks Linda!)
I talked to the shop foreman at 6:30 the next morning and explained the
problem. I also made it clear that I only wanted a diagnosis....no work was
to be performed without my consent. Tito (the foreman) said that he
understood and informed me that a complete electrical diagnosis would cost
$80 and that they would start right away.
Tito called me back at around 2:30 that day. He said that they hadn't found
any trouble codes in the system, so they had spent over 5 hours going
through the entire ignition system checking every fuse, relay, sensor and
sending unit, as well as cleaning every connection. Everything checked out
good, but when they were finished the truck started and ran. He apologized
profusely for not being able to pinpoint where the trouble had been because
the mechanic had done all of the checking and cleaning in one session and
then tried to start the truck when he was done. Somewhere in the system
there was either a dirty connection or a sticky relay.......he recommended
that I buy a spare relay (they're all the same) and keep it in the glovebox
just in case it happens again.
He also told me that during the test drive the mechanic was concerned about
how much gas was in the tank and whether or not the gauge read correctly (it
doesn't), so he had put in $5 worth of gas........and apologized for doing
this without my consent.
The total bill for well over 6 hours of labor on the electrical system?
$80. Exactly the amount quoted to me in the morning. They did charge us $5
(no markup....just the face value of what was put in) for the gas, but I
don't mind that.........the gas burns/costs the same whether they put it in
or we do.
Overall I'm very pleased with the service provided by Inman and Sons and
would highly recommend them to anyone needing repair work.
Inman & Sons Auto & Truck Center
6335 N 7 St PHOENIX AZ 85014
(602) 277-5396
Len Sullivan
12099 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 9:43pm
Subject: Labor Day weekend
Is anybody planning any runs or maybe a group camping trip next weekend? I
was thinking of maybe taking the kids camping at the Coves. Any other
ideas?
Len
12100 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 10:46pm
Subject: CB antenna install
I have been all the weekend trying to decide what antenna to get and where
to install it, its for my 81 CJ7 which I use with either hard top and
bikini,
If any of you has a website where I can see how to do this I will really
appreciate it, or if you can email me and tell me how you did it and where
you installed it will be great.
I want an antenna that will be strong enough to be folded in the garage,
Thanks for your help!
Jesus Chio
www.alloffroad.com
Free webpages
http://signup.alloffroad.com
My Eb project
www.alloffroad.com/chio
12101 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 11:23pm
Subject: Re: Group Run
Good Idea Tom,
how about WHITE TANKS????
Just a thought. It is Mild to Wild there...
and more than enough room to fit all the JEEPS in PHX.
Dave
>From: "Tom Quinn" <tom@q...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Group Run
>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:56:43 -0000
>
>I think it was last September there was a swap meet/fun run at the
>Coves. I believe it was decided it was the largest turn out for any
>one AZVJC run. Is there any interest in having another potentially
>large turn out event again this year? I met some new people and had
>a good time, although we had a heck of a time finding the group at
>Cove 2. :)
>
>Some ideas:
>
>A "Show 'n' shine" at a local park, mall, or school
>A big ol' cook out at the Salt River
>Some easy 4-wheelin' and BBQ/pot luck at the Coves
>A combination of the above
>
>Not a clean-up, not a "save the owls" run, just good ol' no politics
>FUN! (of course that doesn't mean you can't pick up some trash while
>you're there. :))
>
>The nice thing about the Coves is small groups could come and go as
>they pleased rather than a huge line of Jeeps trying to get through a
>trail run. And bone stock to "what's stock?" can get in and out of
>the Coves with no problems. Everyone could go to a parking lot.
>
>Last time it was mid September and it was pretty hot. Perhaps late
>September or sometime in October would be better. The ASA4WDC
>Jamboree is Oct 18 - 22nd this year so that weekend is out for sure.
>
>I just thought I'd throw that out there. It'd be pretty neat to see
>300 members show up in one area at one time!!
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
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12102 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 0:28am
Subject: diff ratio
Does anyone know of the differential gear ratio in the Dana 30? It's in a 93yj, 4cyl. I need to know for ordering a traction device.
Nick
Nnote@neta.com
Nnote@juno.com
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12103 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 0:43am
Subject: Re: Be warned of Bill Luke Chrysler service
Jeff,
I am sorry to hear of your troubles... I personally have never used thier
service dept. But thier Parts guys are pretty cool and always seem to have
what I need.. Bummer....
Wonder how Avondale Jeep is?? Anyone buy or have service form them??
Dave
>From: "Jeff Meade" <jeffm@d...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Be warned of Bill Luke Chrysler service
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:54:37 -0000
>
>I just wanted to share my 1st and only experience with Bill Luke
>Chrysler (Camelback and I-17) with 300 of my closest jeeping friends.
>
>I had Bill Luke Chrysler fix a cooling problem on my XJ (they were at
>the right place at the right time). I picked up the vehicle when it
>was done (last Thursday) and on the drive home I noticed right away
>that the air conditioning vents weren't working at all. As it was
>rush hour traffic and I've got a friend with me I drove home hoping
>the problem would fix itself. On Monday I called the dealership and
>explained the problem and and that I was sure it was a result of the
>original work. Tuesday I dropped off the XJ and waited for it to get
>fixed. I was charged a diagnostic fee of $38 to determine that a
>vacuum line was disconnected under the bumper. I explained to the
>Service Advisor that that was a direct result of the original work
>since the vacuum line *had* to be disconnected to remove the radiator
>(they did remove the radiator).
>
>On a side note, I did originally tell the Service Advisor that I
>thought the new problem was a result of the airbag sensor recall
>because they had to remove part of the dash to relocate the sensor.
>I tried to explain to him that this new problem was a result of the
>original work. The Service Advisor said he based his troubleshooting
>(diagnosis of the vacuum system) on that fact and it had nothing to
>do with the airbag recall. Agreed. BTW, diagnosis of the vacuum
>system did lead to finding disconnected vacuum line under the bumper.
>
>So I got charged for diagnosing a problem that was created by
>unfinished original work. Yesterday I got a call from Bill Luke for
>a customer service survey. I explained (nicely) that I was unjustly
>charged for the diagnostic fee and I will never spend another penny
>at Bill Luke either through repairs of my 3 Jeep vehicles or purchase
>a vehicle from them unless I'm reimbursed the diagnostic fee. I also
>explained that I wasn't expecting to get reimbursed, but if I did, I
>would most likely use their services again.
>
>I had a phone conversation with the Service Advisor today (he seemed
>bitter that I gave him a bad survey) and he explained there was
>nothing they would do (I'm sure this situation does happen
>frequently). I again explained that I felt I was unjustly charged
>and they would lose a customer over a $38 charge (I spent $560 on the
>first service charge). He seemed fine with that. After that phone
>conversation, I decided I would tell 300 of my closest AZ jeep
>friends about my Bill Luke experience. The Service Manager has my
>number, although I doubt I'll hear from him/her. It does surprise me
>that a company would lose a customer over a charge this small - they
>have a good chance of recouping that money within the next visit.
>Definately not now.
>
>All in all, I am frustrated that I can't find a decent dealership to
>do work on my vehicle. Just thought I'd pass along my experience.
>Thanks for letting me rant a little. Maybe I'm way off base here,
>but I don't think quality of service and customer service like this
>should be tolerated.
>
>Jeff Meade
>
>
>
>
>
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12104 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 1:53am
Subject: YJ 4.2 motor mounts
What is the best (read: easiest) way to change motor mounts in a YJ? I
like the prybar method, but I will be doing this job solo...
Chris
12105 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 2:36am
Subject: WhiteTanks clean up
I personally would like to thank all who showed up to help out.
GREAT JOB!!
Both dumpsters were about 1/2 full with trash when I pulled out at 11:30. I
personally handed out about 60 trash bags and used up quite a few my self. I
just wish more could have made it. Special thanks goes out to Tammy for
getting us the dumpsters.... This would be a great place to make an OHV area
there are many trails in the area but there is a dier need to get it cleaned
up. I personally don't want to see this are lost. Being one of the closest
residents to this area it is very important to me just like Florence
Junction is to others.. There is more to the White Tanks mountians than most
tend to notice lets keep this area open..
Agian Thanks for helping out gang...
Dave
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
>To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] today's WhiteTanks clean up
>Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:50:16 -0700
>
>No one has posted anything so I guess I'll drop a few lines about today's
>clean up.
>
>I arrived a bit before 7:00 AM and I think I raised the vehicle count to 4.
>
>About 7:10, several of us started picking up trash.
>
>As the morning progressed, some more members showed up, some with the
>family. I never counted the number of Jeeps present. If I had to guess, I
>would say it peaked at maybe 15 vehicles (I could be off by few but I think
>I am pretty close).
>
>Arizona Trust Land had supplied two HUGE dumpsters. We collected enough
>trash to fill one of them about 1/2 full or so...maybe a bit more. I wish
>we could have filled them but that would have taken a couple of days more
>than we had.
>
>I called it quits about 10:15 or so. The sun was getting HOT, dehydration
>was setting in (can a person really drink enough when working like that?),
>and my back was telling me I had been bending over enough.
>
>I joined some friends (and made a couple of new ones!) and we ran a few
>trails before calling it a day.
>
>Stu
>
>
>
>Stu Olson N7QJP
>Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>
>http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
>http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
>
>
>
>
>
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12106 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 3:08am
Subject: Fwd: RE: White tanks cleanup
>From: "O'Boyle, David" <David.OBoyle@b...>
>To: 'Tamarya Pike' <TPike@l...>
>CC: "'davidoboyle@h...'" <davidoboyle@h...>
>Subject: RE: White tanks cleanup
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:26:28 -0700
>
>Tammy,
>
>Sorry we missed you, Over the past week I finally moved into my new house.
>We'd been waiting for 10months to get into the house so it was PRIORITY!!!!
>The Cleanup was quite a sucess although only apx 25. People showed up. We
>filled both dumpsters 1/2 full and there is quite a stack of tires next to
>both. We were unable to extract the now apx 5 cars that are in the area and
>we really we over whelmed at the amount of trash in the area.
>There is going to have to be another cleanup in that area this
>fall............
>The majority of the work was done on and around the dunes... I handed out
>apx 70 trash bags
>to the People who attended and did not recieve any back indicating that at
>least 70 were filled.
>I know that some brought thier own trash bags as well... The next Cleanup
>of
>this area will require some type of heavy equiptment as some of the washes
>has so much trash that one person could literly spend weeks cleaning up the
>trash.......
>
>I would personally like to see this area litter free to entice the presence
>of possibly becoming an OHV recreation area. This is my GOAL... and I will
>do what ever it takes to try to help this become an OHV area. The Agua Fria
>was yanked from us a few months ago, I personally don't want to loose this
>area........
>
>Thanks for your help in getting the dumpsters out there they made a great
>diffrence...
>
>Dave O'Boyle
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tamarya Pike [mailto:TPike@l...]
>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:17 AM
>To: David.OBoyle@b...
>Subject: RE: White tanks cleanup
>
>
>David,
>
>I have been unable to reach you by phone. I want to stress that NO tires
>should be put in the dumpsters. Pile them to one side and I will take care
>of them.
>
>Again, I appreciate your efforts. The dumpsters have been put in place and
>will be removed early next week. Please let me know how it goes. I will
>be
>working another project and cannot be there.
>
>Thanx
>
>
>Tammy Pike
>OHV Manager
>AZ State Land Dept.
>email: tpike@l...
>( 602 ) 542 - 2269
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12107 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 5:23am
Subject: Ramsey Winches??
Any have a Ramsey winch? Summit Racing is selling the REP8000 with roller fairlead for $500. Seems like a pretty good price based on what I have seen.
Rick
12108 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:09am
Subject: Re: Ramsey Winches??
Rick,
I have a Ramsey 8000lb winch. Never had a problem with it....
I don't use it too often. But it is a capable winch.. And a heck of alot
cheaper than a Warn....
Dave
>From: "Rick Hall" <rnhall@a...>
>To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] Ramsey Winches??
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:23:30 -0700
>
>Any have a Ramsey winch? Summit Racing is selling the REP8000 with roller
>fairlead for $500. Seems like a pretty good price based on what I have
>seen.
>
>Rick
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12109 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:45am
Subject: Fw: Drive Safely
Here is a reflection someone sent me, I like it and hope you do the same.
Jesus Chio
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> Jack took a long look at his speedometer before slowing
> down: 73 in a 55 zone. Fourth time in as many months.
> How could a guy get caught so often? When his car had
> slowed to 10 miles an hour, Jack pulled over, but only
> partially. Let the cop worry about the potential traffic
> hazard. Maybe some other car will tweak his backside with
> a mirror. The cop was stepping out of his car, the big pad
> in hand. Bob? Bob from Church? Jack sunk farther into his
> trench coat. This was worse than the coming ticket. A
> Christian cop catching a guy from his own church. A guy
> who happened to be a little eager to get home after a long
> day at the office. A guy he was about to play golf with
> tomorrow. Jumping out of the car, he approached a man
> he saw every Sunday, a man he'd never seen in uniform.
> "Hi, Bob. Fancy meeting you like his."
>
> "Hello, Jack." No smile.
>
> "Guess you caught me red-handed in a rush to see my
> wife and kids."
>
> "Yeah, I guess."
>
> Bob seemed uncertain. Good. "I've seen some long days at
> the office lately. I'm afraid I bent the rules a bit-just this
> once." Jack toed at a pebble on the pavement. "Diane said
> something about roast beef and potatoes tonight. Know
> what I mean?"
>
> "I know what you mean."
>
> "I also know that you have a reputation in our precinct."
> Ouch. This was not going in the right direction. Time to
> change tactics. "What'd you clock me at?"
>
> "Seventy. Would you sit back in your car please?"
>
> "Now wait a minute here, Bob. I checked as soon as I saw
> you. I was barely nudging 65." The lie seemed to come
> easier with every ticket.
>
> "Please, Jack, in the car."
>
> Flustered, Jack hunched himself through the still-open
> door. Slamming it shut, he stared at the dash board. He
> was in no rush to open the window. The minutes ticked
> by. Bob scribbled away on the pad. Why hadn't he asked
> for a driver's license? Whatever the reason, it would be a
> month of Sundays before Jack ever sat near this cop again.
> A tap on the door jerked his head to the left. There was
> Bob, a folded paper in hand. Jack rolled down the window
> a mere two inches, just enough room for Bob to pass him
> the slip. "Thanks."
>
> Jack could not quite keep the sneer out of his voice. Bob
> returned to his police car without a word. Jack watched his
> retreat in the mirror. Jack unfolded the sheet of paper.
> How much was this one going to cost? Wait a minute.
> What was this? Some kind of joke? Certainly not a ticket.
> Jack began to read:
>
> "Dear Jack, Once upon a time I had a daughter. She was
> six when killed by a car. You guessed it -- a speeding
> driver. A fine and three months in jail, and the man was
> free. Free to hug his daughters. All three of them. I only
> had one, and I'm going to have to wait until Heaven before
> I can ever hug her again. A thousand times I've tried to
> forgive that man. A thousand times I thought I had. Maybe
> I did, but I need to do it again. Even now. Pray for me.
> And be careful. My son is all I have left. Bob"
>
> Jack turned around in time to see Bob's car pull way and
> head down the road. Jack watched until it disappeared. A
> full 15 minutes later, he, too, pulled away and drove slowly
> home, praying for forgiveness and hugging a surprised
> wife and kids when he arrived.
>
> Life is precious. Handle with care.
>
> Funny how you can send a thousand 'jokes' through e-mail
> and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending
> messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about
> sharing. This is an important message, please pass it along
> to your friends. Drive safely and carefully. Remember, cars
> are not the only thing recalled by their maker.
>
>
> Submitted By: R. Jonny Seven
>
>
> *&%^#$)*&#)*&#)@#$*(#@^%)#)#%)*($(*%^&*
12110 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:51am
Subject: Re: YJ 4.2 motor mounts
A floor jack underneath the oil pan. Use a piece of wood to distribute the
weight on the pan. Works like a charm...at least it did for me.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <cmandrick@v...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 1:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] YJ 4.2 motor mounts
> What is the best (read: easiest) way to change motor mounts in a YJ? I
> like the prybar method, but I will be doing this job solo...
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
12111 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:56am
Subject: Re: diff ratio
"Should" be 4.10's. Do the
lift-a-tire-and-spin-it-and-count-the-drive-shaft-rotations deal. This
is the ONLY way to be absolutely positive of your ratio!
--
----------------------------
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President
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
12112 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 7:23am
Subject: RE: YJ 4.2 motor mounts
I used a floor jack, placed under the bell house with a 2x4 to spread the
load, when I did my TJ mounts. I would think the mounts should be pretty
much the same style.
I loosened both sides and then applied upward pressure with the jack.
Remove and replace one side, then do the other. I found it was handy to
have a friend since on the TJ mounts, one person tightening the nut on the
bottom while person #2 holds the bolt head on top made it much easier.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@v...]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 1:54 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] YJ 4.2 motor mounts
What is the best (read: easiest) way to change motor mounts in a YJ? I
like the prybar method, but I will be doing this job solo...
Chris
12088 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 10:49am
Subject: White Tanks cleanup photos
Here are a few photos of the White Tanks cleanup Saturday. Used without
permission of the Jeep owner so if anyone objects please notify me
immediately and I will remove those with your Jeep.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=8395591
Jon
------------------------------------------
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(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@m...
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12089 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 10:47am
Subject: RE: 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
Well now we know how the pyramids where built, they had JEEPS!
I never imagined how hard that was going to be. I only was there one night
and it was a big job.
We all owe Bill Mish a big thank you, without his single minded focus that
ZJ would be there next year. He spent his own money and many 32hour work
days to get it done. He fixed everyone on the trail that was there and never
complained, just worked hard, non stop.
Lots of people helped out but Bill really made it happen.
Ross Skinner
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@h...]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:28 PM
To: AZ_VJC; William Mish
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
Bill - Thanks for putting this together and for putting in so much of your
time and efforts into this. I was totally amazed at how you and others on
previous trips had been able to cut up the ZJ into bite size pieces. Great
stuff! Thanks!
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <AZ_VJC@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
> It is out!!
> Arrived at the trailhead, with just a trailer, and met up with Blake in
his
> stepside GMC, and Devon in his CJ-6. We parked the truck and trailer at
the
> top, by all the drug out parts, and proceeded in from the back way. I
> spotted them both back to the ZJ, where we came up with the plan to get
the
> motor and tranny in the back of the GMC. With the motor and tranny in the
> back of Blake's stepside, We got the Gmc and the CJ-6 headed back out when
> Bill arrived in his Blue TJ. We were relaxing a bit, and talking when Doug
> B. and Mike Chatfield showed up. We watched as they came over White Line,
> and through Terminator, And then we tied a Front clip half to each of
their
> Jeeps to drag out. I was going to wait for more people to show up, as they
> all headed out. After an Hour and no one arriving, I decided to start
> walking out. I caught up with everyone at the end of the trail in a big
> traffic Jam. I spotted Devon out, and in the process, he bent his drag
link.
> We straightened it a little, then got him off the trail. This is when I
met
> up with Jason in his CJ-5. He and the Extra cab F-150 went back to the ZJ,
> and got all the rest of the parts, Loaded them in the back of the F-150,
and
> came back up, as we were headed down. Greg and Keith Auble showed up, and
we
> were working our way back to the ZJ, when we met back up with Jason.
> Jason ended up dragging the 2 fender pieces the rest of the way up the end
> of the trail. Everyone helped load the ZJ parts onto the trailer, and
after
> a rather interesting episode of trying to straighten the spring lever on
the
> trailer, we got rolling to the "Parking lot" . We arrived there about 3:00
> am, I think. Keith and I spent the night on the hill, and then went to
Black
> Canyon City for breakfast, before coming home......
>
> VICTORIOUS!!!!!
>
> Thanks to everyone, I know I didn't mention everyone's name, so if I
forgot,
> please forgive me!
>
> Bill Mish
> Yldkat
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> http://drive.to/yldkat55
>
>
>
>
12090 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 11:06am
Subject: RE: White Tanks cleanup photos
Jon,
It was good seeing you yesterday. I thought your "trash sledge" was a
pretty good idea. At first, I wasn't sure what you were doing with it since
I only saw you dragging it with nothing on it. Larry gave me in the inside
scoop that you were using it as a 4x4 powered "trash barge"! LOL!
Thanks for posting the pictures!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@m...]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:49 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks cleanup photos
Here are a few photos of the White Tanks cleanup Saturday. Used without
permission of the Jeep owner so if anyone objects please notify me
immediately and I will remove those with your Jeep.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=8395591
Jon
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@m...
12091 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 11:11am
Subject: RE: 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
You said it Ross!
BIG JEEP WAVE TO BILL! You did what a lot of us couldn't.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:48 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
Well now we know how the pyramids where built, they had JEEPS!
I never imagined how hard that was going to be. I only was there one night
and it was a big job.
We all owe Bill Mish a big thank you, without his single minded focus that
ZJ would be there next year. He spent his own money and many 32hour work
days to get it done. He fixed everyone on the trail that was there and never
complained, just worked hard, non stop.
Lots of people helped out but Bill really made it happen.
Ross Skinner
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@h...]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:28 PM
To: AZ_VJC; William Mish
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
Bill - Thanks for putting this together and for putting in so much of your
time and efforts into this. I was totally amazed at how you and others on
previous trips had been able to cut up the ZJ into bite size pieces. Great
stuff! Thanks!
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <AZ_VJC@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 8/25 ZJ Terminator Final Chapter!
> It is out!!
> Arrived at the trailhead, with just a trailer, and met up with Blake in
his
> stepside GMC, and Devon in his CJ-6. We parked the truck and trailer at
the
> top, by all the drug out parts, and proceeded in from the back way. I
> spotted them both back to the ZJ, where we came up with the plan to get
the
> motor and tranny in the back of the GMC. With the motor and tranny in the
> back of Blake's stepside, We got the Gmc and the CJ-6 headed back out when
> Bill arrived in his Blue TJ. We were relaxing a bit, and talking when Doug
> B. and Mike Chatfield showed up. We watched as they came over White Line,
> and through Terminator, And then we tied a Front clip half to each of
their
> Jeeps to drag out. I was going to wait for more people to show up, as they
> all headed out. After an Hour and no one arriving, I decided to start
> walking out. I caught up with everyone at the end of the trail in a big
> traffic Jam. I spotted Devon out, and in the process, he bent his drag
link.
> We straightened it a little, then got him off the trail. This is when I
met
> up with Jason in his CJ-5. He and the Extra cab F-150 went back to the ZJ,
> and got all the rest of the parts, Loaded them in the back of the F-150,
and
> came back up, as we were headed down. Greg and Keith Auble showed up, and
we
> were working our way back to the ZJ, when we met back up with Jason.
> Jason ended up dragging the 2 fender pieces the rest of the way up the end
> of the trail. Everyone helped load the ZJ parts onto the trailer, and
after
> a rather interesting episode of trying to straighten the spring lever on
the
> trailer, we got rolling to the "Parking lot" . We arrived there about 3:00
> am, I think. Keith and I spent the night on the hill, and then went to
Black
> Canyon City for breakfast, before coming home......
>
> VICTORIOUS!!!!!
>
> Thanks to everyone, I know I didn't mention everyone's name, so if I
forgot,
> please forgive me!
>
> Bill Mish
> Yldkat
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> http://drive.to/yldkat55
>
>
>
>
12092 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 0:26pm
Subject: Copyright clarification
NO. NO. NO.
You guys are ALL more than welcome to Photograph with your camera, my Jeep
on ANY of the runs we are on together. I would share the same views as the
rest of you on this, in that I would be honored, and this activity is
completely acceptable to me. You may feel Welcome to post those pictures in
public view, on the internet, web page, mix 'em match 'em trade 'em with
your friends! Whatever you want to do with them. If you are on the run, you
were invited and have a right to them. If I am on the run, my consent to
this is implied.
I don't know how this got twisted, but it did.
I suspect, my use of "take pictures" should have been clarified to "stealing
pictures already taken by another photographer of my Jeep on a run sponsored
by a particular web site, in which you were not in attendance, off the web
site with a copyright disclaimer and without permission, to promote, or
profit your personal or professional site." This is what I'm talking about.
I believe strongly that this activity is unethical, and wrong. One thing
can be done to make it right.... OBTAIN PERMISSION!!!
If you disagree with this, there's a good chance I won't think highly of you
as a person. Not that would matter any to you if you do disagree.
I'm excluding Photopoint, or any other "AZVJC group site" in this.
We are all a pretty tight knit group, and I understand how things can get
misunderstood, especially when it is in writing, and I'm not there to
clarify in person.
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
12093 From: Dion & Paola <amstaff@e...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 0:44pm
Subject: XJ thanks, cleanup, Ahwatukee
Reply to: XJ thanks, cleanup, Ahwatukee
Thanks to Bill and everyone involved in getting the XJ off Terminator. A job well done.
I took part in the White Tanks cleanup Saturday a.m. Mostly worked with the guys I normally run with (Stu, Larry, etc.), but it was good to meet a couple new VJCers. I'd never been to the White Tanks before and was appalled at the mess in the Dunes area. Was that place actually a dump at one time? Looked like several generations worth of trash in some spots.
Still, we did what we could and the place definitely looked better when we were done. Also got to run a couple trails that I'd never been through, which was a blast.
Finally, for those VJCers who live in Ahwatukee ... me, too. The Mexican place next to Macaroni Grill is called On the Border. Personally, my wife and I love it and eat there often. I've yet to see a VJC sticker here, but I keep looking. If you ever see a desert sand YJ Sahara with 5 inches of lift, ugly three-spoke aluminum wheels, 33-inch MT/Rs and a big, bald guy driving, that's me.
Dion
94 YJ Sahara
12094 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 0:50pm
Subject: Re: XJ thanks, cleanup, Ahwatukee
You may see a poopy-brown colored YJ running around, on stock suspension
with a lot of dents/scratches/etc all over it, and that would be me. I am
around 51st street and Elliot road.
Chris
----------
> From: Dion & Paola <amstaff@e...>
> To: az_vjc <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Subject: [az_vjc] XJ thanks, cleanup, Ahwatukee
> Date: Sunday, August 27, 2000 2:44 PM
>
> Reply to: XJ thanks, cleanup, Ahwatukee
> Thanks to Bill and everyone involved in getting the XJ off Terminator. A
job well done.
>
> I took part in the White Tanks cleanup Saturday a.m. Mostly worked with
the guys I normally run with (Stu, Larry, etc.), but it was good to meet a
couple new VJCers. I'd never been to the White Tanks before and was
appalled at the mess in the Dunes area. Was that place actually a dump at
one time? Looked like several generations worth of trash in some spots.
>
> Still, we did what we could and the place definitely looked better when
we were done. Also got to run a couple trails that I'd never been through,
which was a blast.
>
> Finally, for those VJCers who live in Ahwatukee ... me, too. The Mexican
place next to Macaroni Grill is called On the Border. Personally, my wife
and I love it and eat there often. I've yet to see a VJC sticker here, but
I keep looking. If you ever see a desert sand YJ Sahara with 5 inches of
lift, ugly three-spoke aluminum wheels, 33-inch MT/Rs and a big, bald guy
driving, that's me.
>
> Dion
> 94 YJ Sahara
>
>
>
>
12095 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 1:31pm
Subject: Fwd: Re: CLARIFICATION! PLS READ! copyright question
This question and answer email is posted to help to clarify the thread that has been going on about photo copyright. I was confused and I suspect others have been also. Bill cleared things up for me and he requested that this be passed on to the group. Whew.
Jon
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From: "William Mish"
To: "Jon Loveless"
Subject: Re: CLARIFICATION! PLS READ! copyright question
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:14:00 -0700
Organization: Wildcat Off Road
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2000 17:58:36.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C503DC0:01C01050]
John, I would like you or me to forward a copy of this to AZVJC, because
other members have expressed the same concerns. Let me know....
NO. NO. NO.
You guys are ALL more than welcome to Photograph with your camera, my Jeep
on ANY of the runs we are on together. I would share the same views as the
rest of you on this, in that I would be honored, and this activity is
completely acceptable to me. You may feel Welcome to post those pictures in
public view, on the internet, web page, mix 'em match 'em trade 'em with
your friends! Whatever you want to do with them. If you are on the run, you
were invited and have a right to them. If I am on the run, my consent to
this is implied.
I don't know how this got twisted, but it did.
I suspect, my use of "take pictures" should have been clarified to "stealing
pictures already taken by another photographer of my Jeep on a run sponsored
by a particular web site, in which you were not in attendance, off the web
site with a copyright disclaimer and without permission, to promote, or
profit your personal or professional site." This is what I'm talking about.
I believe strongly that this activity is unethical, and wrong. One thing
can be done to make it right.... OBTAIN PERMISSION!!!
If you disagree with this, there's a good chance I won't think highly of you
as a person. Not that would matter any to you if you do disagree.
I'm excluding Photopoint, or any other "AZVJC group site" in this.
We are all a pretty tight knit group, and I understand how things can get
misunderstood, especially when it is in writing, and I'm not there to
clarify in person.
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Loveless
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:13 AM
Subject: copyright question
> Bill - I came into this a bit late. I have about 500 photos taken on AZVJC
> trail runs - 99% of other peoples jeeps - posted on PhotoPoint - without
> anyones permission. I don't think I have any of your rig, but are you
> saying that I shouldn't have posted them? I would think that on a run if
> people see me with my camera they will assume that I will post them. That
> assumption, I figure, implies some level of permission. Folks seem to love
> seeing their rigs in flex.
>
> I figure that the issue with you and someone is personal and that you are
> not advocating that people like me stop what we are doing. Right? Wrong?
>
> Frankly, I would stop taking my camera with me in a flash if it turns out
> to require permission. I do it for others, not myself and I could leave
the
> camera home with no ill effects.
>
> Curious.
>
> Jon
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> (602)432-7860 cell
> (480)816-6240 home
> jonloveless@mindspring.com
>
>
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12096 From: <biglowt@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 3:33pm
Subject: Member sightings
I see a few Jeeps when I am visiting my gf in Tukee. There are a few in the
presidio apartments where she lives. Anyone here belong to them?
I own a white YJ lifted, always frequent Carrabas at I10 and Ray, just for
the info. Later, Tom
12097 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 8:28pm
Subject: ASA4WDC Jamboree/P4W Crown King/Jim Myers
On the P4W Crown King/Jim Myers Memorial run today, I had an opportunity
to talk to Sandy McCullen about the Jamboree.
The permit has finally gone through, with the old $4 per vehicle per day
fee, and not the new $4 per person/animal per day fee. Based on my
family of five and a dog for three days, the difference would be $12 vs.
$72. This fee one reason P4W Roundup, a 7 day event, was cancelled. It
really is great that Sandy managed to get the old fee for Jamboree.
This was not pretty, and another State agency, RAC, got involved. RAC
consists of 15 members appointed by Gov. Hull and Bruce Babbit. RAC
agreed with ASA4WDC and got the permit pushed through with the old fees.
Sandy mentioned that she would like to see the Florence Junction area
returned to the PHX office, especially seeing as that the Tucson office
doesn't even have anyone out there. She doesn't think that this will
happen though, because funding is given on a per acre basis, giving any
BLM office incentive to hold on to land whether they are in a position
to manage it properly or not.
The invitations are currently at the printers, and should go out next
week.
----------
There were 20 vehicles at the memorial service for Jim at KissMe hill.
I believe we ended up with 26 by the time we got to CK. P4W provided
lunch at the Switchback.
I believe that ASA4WDC is going to rename the Ajax Loop trail Myer's
Loop in honor of the work he has done for thew and us, and the many
years he led the trail at Jamboree.
12098 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 9:34pm
Subject: shop recommendation
Hi all
In light of the recent thread on poor service at Jeep dealers, I wanted to
let the group know about a GOOD shop that I've dealt with. Last week Pam's
Dodge Dakota died. It would crank and had good fuel pressure and volume,
but no spark. I spent a couple of hours troubleshooting the electrical
system with a DVOM and couldn't find anything that would cause the problem.
I finally gave up and towed the Dakota to Inman and Sons Car and Truck
Repair on 7th St just south of Maryland. (Mandatory Jeep content -- I
used the strap Linda gave us as a wedding present to tow the Dakota behind
my J-10.....thanks Linda!)
I talked to the shop foreman at 6:30 the next morning and explained the
problem. I also made it clear that I only wanted a diagnosis....no work was
to be performed without my consent. Tito (the foreman) said that he
understood and informed me that a complete electrical diagnosis would cost
$80 and that they would start right away.
Tito called me back at around 2:30 that day. He said that they hadn't found
any trouble codes in the system, so they had spent over 5 hours going
through the entire ignition system checking every fuse, relay, sensor and
sending unit, as well as cleaning every connection. Everything checked out
good, but when they were finished the truck started and ran. He apologized
profusely for not being able to pinpoint where the trouble had been because
the mechanic had done all of the checking and cleaning in one session and
then tried to start the truck when he was done. Somewhere in the system
there was either a dirty connection or a sticky relay.......he recommended
that I buy a spare relay (they're all the same) and keep it in the glovebox
just in case it happens again.
He also told me that during the test drive the mechanic was concerned about
how much gas was in the tank and whether or not the gauge read correctly (it
doesn't), so he had put in $5 worth of gas........and apologized for doing
this without my consent.
The total bill for well over 6 hours of labor on the electrical system?
$80. Exactly the amount quoted to me in the morning. They did charge us $5
(no markup....just the face value of what was put in) for the gas, but I
don't mind that.........the gas burns/costs the same whether they put it in
or we do.
Overall I'm very pleased with the service provided by Inman and Sons and
would highly recommend them to anyone needing repair work.
Inman & Sons Auto & Truck Center
6335 N 7 St PHOENIX AZ 85014
(602) 277-5396
Len Sullivan
12099 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2000 9:43pm
Subject: Labor Day weekend
Is anybody planning any runs or maybe a group camping trip next weekend? I
was thinking of maybe taking the kids camping at the Coves. Any other
ideas?
Len
12100 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 10:46pm
Subject: CB antenna install
I have been all the weekend trying to decide what antenna to get and where
to install it, its for my 81 CJ7 which I use with either hard top and
bikini,
If any of you has a website where I can see how to do this I will really
appreciate it, or if you can email me and tell me how you did it and where
you installed it will be great.
I want an antenna that will be strong enough to be folded in the garage,
Thanks for your help!
Jesus Chio
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12101 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 27, 2000 11:23pm
Subject: Re: Group Run
Good Idea Tom,
how about WHITE TANKS????
Just a thought. It is Mild to Wild there...
and more than enough room to fit all the JEEPS in PHX.
Dave
>From: "Tom Quinn" <tom@q...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Group Run
>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:56:43 -0000
>
>I think it was last September there was a swap meet/fun run at the
>Coves. I believe it was decided it was the largest turn out for any
>one AZVJC run. Is there any interest in having another potentially
>large turn out event again this year? I met some new people and had
>a good time, although we had a heck of a time finding the group at
>Cove 2. :)
>
>Some ideas:
>
>A "Show 'n' shine" at a local park, mall, or school
>A big ol' cook out at the Salt River
>Some easy 4-wheelin' and BBQ/pot luck at the Coves
>A combination of the above
>
>Not a clean-up, not a "save the owls" run, just good ol' no politics
>FUN! (of course that doesn't mean you can't pick up some trash while
>you're there. :))
>
>The nice thing about the Coves is small groups could come and go as
>they pleased rather than a huge line of Jeeps trying to get through a
>trail run. And bone stock to "what's stock?" can get in and out of
>the Coves with no problems. Everyone could go to a parking lot.
>
>Last time it was mid September and it was pretty hot. Perhaps late
>September or sometime in October would be better. The ASA4WDC
>Jamboree is Oct 18 - 22nd this year so that weekend is out for sure.
>
>I just thought I'd throw that out there. It'd be pretty neat to see
>300 members show up in one area at one time!!
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
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12102 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 0:28am
Subject: diff ratio
Does anyone know of the differential gear ratio in the Dana 30? It's in a 93yj, 4cyl. I need to know for ordering a traction device.
Nick
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12103 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 0:43am
Subject: Re: Be warned of Bill Luke Chrysler service
Jeff,
I am sorry to hear of your troubles... I personally have never used thier
service dept. But thier Parts guys are pretty cool and always seem to have
what I need.. Bummer....
Wonder how Avondale Jeep is?? Anyone buy or have service form them??
Dave
>From: "Jeff Meade" <jeffm@d...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Be warned of Bill Luke Chrysler service
>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:54:37 -0000
>
>I just wanted to share my 1st and only experience with Bill Luke
>Chrysler (Camelback and I-17) with 300 of my closest jeeping friends.
>
>I had Bill Luke Chrysler fix a cooling problem on my XJ (they were at
>the right place at the right time). I picked up the vehicle when it
>was done (last Thursday) and on the drive home I noticed right away
>that the air conditioning vents weren't working at all. As it was
>rush hour traffic and I've got a friend with me I drove home hoping
>the problem would fix itself. On Monday I called the dealership and
>explained the problem and and that I was sure it was a result of the
>original work. Tuesday I dropped off the XJ and waited for it to get
>fixed. I was charged a diagnostic fee of $38 to determine that a
>vacuum line was disconnected under the bumper. I explained to the
>Service Advisor that that was a direct result of the original work
>since the vacuum line *had* to be disconnected to remove the radiator
>(they did remove the radiator).
>
>On a side note, I did originally tell the Service Advisor that I
>thought the new problem was a result of the airbag sensor recall
>because they had to remove part of the dash to relocate the sensor.
>I tried to explain to him that this new problem was a result of the
>original work. The Service Advisor said he based his troubleshooting
>(diagnosis of the vacuum system) on that fact and it had nothing to
>do with the airbag recall. Agreed. BTW, diagnosis of the vacuum
>system did lead to finding disconnected vacuum line under the bumper.
>
>So I got charged for diagnosing a problem that was created by
>unfinished original work. Yesterday I got a call from Bill Luke for
>a customer service survey. I explained (nicely) that I was unjustly
>charged for the diagnostic fee and I will never spend another penny
>at Bill Luke either through repairs of my 3 Jeep vehicles or purchase
>a vehicle from them unless I'm reimbursed the diagnostic fee. I also
>explained that I wasn't expecting to get reimbursed, but if I did, I
>would most likely use their services again.
>
>I had a phone conversation with the Service Advisor today (he seemed
>bitter that I gave him a bad survey) and he explained there was
>nothing they would do (I'm sure this situation does happen
>frequently). I again explained that I felt I was unjustly charged
>and they would lose a customer over a $38 charge (I spent $560 on the
>first service charge). He seemed fine with that. After that phone
>conversation, I decided I would tell 300 of my closest AZ jeep
>friends about my Bill Luke experience. The Service Manager has my
>number, although I doubt I'll hear from him/her. It does surprise me
>that a company would lose a customer over a charge this small - they
>have a good chance of recouping that money within the next visit.
>Definately not now.
>
>All in all, I am frustrated that I can't find a decent dealership to
>do work on my vehicle. Just thought I'd pass along my experience.
>Thanks for letting me rant a little. Maybe I'm way off base here,
>but I don't think quality of service and customer service like this
>should be tolerated.
>
>Jeff Meade
>
>
>
>
>
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12104 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 1:53am
Subject: YJ 4.2 motor mounts
What is the best (read: easiest) way to change motor mounts in a YJ? I
like the prybar method, but I will be doing this job solo...
Chris
12105 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 2:36am
Subject: WhiteTanks clean up
I personally would like to thank all who showed up to help out.
GREAT JOB!!
Both dumpsters were about 1/2 full with trash when I pulled out at 11:30. I
personally handed out about 60 trash bags and used up quite a few my self. I
just wish more could have made it. Special thanks goes out to Tammy for
getting us the dumpsters.... This would be a great place to make an OHV area
there are many trails in the area but there is a dier need to get it cleaned
up. I personally don't want to see this are lost. Being one of the closest
residents to this area it is very important to me just like Florence
Junction is to others.. There is more to the White Tanks mountians than most
tend to notice lets keep this area open..
Agian Thanks for helping out gang...
Dave
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
>To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] today's WhiteTanks clean up
>Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:50:16 -0700
>
>No one has posted anything so I guess I'll drop a few lines about today's
>clean up.
>
>I arrived a bit before 7:00 AM and I think I raised the vehicle count to 4.
>
>About 7:10, several of us started picking up trash.
>
>As the morning progressed, some more members showed up, some with the
>family. I never counted the number of Jeeps present. If I had to guess, I
>would say it peaked at maybe 15 vehicles (I could be off by few but I think
>I am pretty close).
>
>Arizona Trust Land had supplied two HUGE dumpsters. We collected enough
>trash to fill one of them about 1/2 full or so...maybe a bit more. I wish
>we could have filled them but that would have taken a couple of days more
>than we had.
>
>I called it quits about 10:15 or so. The sun was getting HOT, dehydration
>was setting in (can a person really drink enough when working like that?),
>and my back was telling me I had been bending over enough.
>
>I joined some friends (and made a couple of new ones!) and we ran a few
>trails before calling it a day.
>
>Stu
>
>
>
>Stu Olson N7QJP
>Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>
>http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
>http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
>
>
>
>
>
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12106 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 3:08am
Subject: Fwd: RE: White tanks cleanup
>From: "O'Boyle, David" <David.OBoyle@b...>
>To: 'Tamarya Pike' <TPike@l...>
>CC: "'davidoboyle@h...'" <davidoboyle@h...>
>Subject: RE: White tanks cleanup
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:26:28 -0700
>
>Tammy,
>
>Sorry we missed you, Over the past week I finally moved into my new house.
>We'd been waiting for 10months to get into the house so it was PRIORITY!!!!
>The Cleanup was quite a sucess although only apx 25. People showed up. We
>filled both dumpsters 1/2 full and there is quite a stack of tires next to
>both. We were unable to extract the now apx 5 cars that are in the area and
>we really we over whelmed at the amount of trash in the area.
>There is going to have to be another cleanup in that area this
>fall............
>The majority of the work was done on and around the dunes... I handed out
>apx 70 trash bags
>to the People who attended and did not recieve any back indicating that at
>least 70 were filled.
>I know that some brought thier own trash bags as well... The next Cleanup
>of
>this area will require some type of heavy equiptment as some of the washes
>has so much trash that one person could literly spend weeks cleaning up the
>trash.......
>
>I would personally like to see this area litter free to entice the presence
>of possibly becoming an OHV recreation area. This is my GOAL... and I will
>do what ever it takes to try to help this become an OHV area. The Agua Fria
>was yanked from us a few months ago, I personally don't want to loose this
>area........
>
>Thanks for your help in getting the dumpsters out there they made a great
>diffrence...
>
>Dave O'Boyle
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tamarya Pike [mailto:TPike@l...]
>Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:17 AM
>To: David.OBoyle@b...
>Subject: RE: White tanks cleanup
>
>
>David,
>
>I have been unable to reach you by phone. I want to stress that NO tires
>should be put in the dumpsters. Pile them to one side and I will take care
>of them.
>
>Again, I appreciate your efforts. The dumpsters have been put in place and
>will be removed early next week. Please let me know how it goes. I will
>be
>working another project and cannot be there.
>
>Thanx
>
>
>Tammy Pike
>OHV Manager
>AZ State Land Dept.
>email: tpike@l...
>( 602 ) 542 - 2269
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12107 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 5:23am
Subject: Ramsey Winches??
Any have a Ramsey winch? Summit Racing is selling the REP8000 with roller fairlead for $500. Seems like a pretty good price based on what I have seen.
Rick
12108 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:09am
Subject: Re: Ramsey Winches??
Rick,
I have a Ramsey 8000lb winch. Never had a problem with it....
I don't use it too often. But it is a capable winch.. And a heck of alot
cheaper than a Warn....
Dave
>From: "Rick Hall" <rnhall@a...>
>To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] Ramsey Winches??
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:23:30 -0700
>
>Any have a Ramsey winch? Summit Racing is selling the REP8000 with roller
>fairlead for $500. Seems like a pretty good price based on what I have
>seen.
>
>Rick
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12109 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:45am
Subject: Fw: Drive Safely
Here is a reflection someone sent me, I like it and hope you do the same.
Jesus Chio
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> Jack took a long look at his speedometer before slowing
> down: 73 in a 55 zone. Fourth time in as many months.
> How could a guy get caught so often? When his car had
> slowed to 10 miles an hour, Jack pulled over, but only
> partially. Let the cop worry about the potential traffic
> hazard. Maybe some other car will tweak his backside with
> a mirror. The cop was stepping out of his car, the big pad
> in hand. Bob? Bob from Church? Jack sunk farther into his
> trench coat. This was worse than the coming ticket. A
> Christian cop catching a guy from his own church. A guy
> who happened to be a little eager to get home after a long
> day at the office. A guy he was about to play golf with
> tomorrow. Jumping out of the car, he approached a man
> he saw every Sunday, a man he'd never seen in uniform.
> "Hi, Bob. Fancy meeting you like his."
>
> "Hello, Jack." No smile.
>
> "Guess you caught me red-handed in a rush to see my
> wife and kids."
>
> "Yeah, I guess."
>
> Bob seemed uncertain. Good. "I've seen some long days at
> the office lately. I'm afraid I bent the rules a bit-just this
> once." Jack toed at a pebble on the pavement. "Diane said
> something about roast beef and potatoes tonight. Know
> what I mean?"
>
> "I know what you mean."
>
> "I also know that you have a reputation in our precinct."
> Ouch. This was not going in the right direction. Time to
> change tactics. "What'd you clock me at?"
>
> "Seventy. Would you sit back in your car please?"
>
> "Now wait a minute here, Bob. I checked as soon as I saw
> you. I was barely nudging 65." The lie seemed to come
> easier with every ticket.
>
> "Please, Jack, in the car."
>
> Flustered, Jack hunched himself through the still-open
> door. Slamming it shut, he stared at the dash board. He
> was in no rush to open the window. The minutes ticked
> by. Bob scribbled away on the pad. Why hadn't he asked
> for a driver's license? Whatever the reason, it would be a
> month of Sundays before Jack ever sat near this cop again.
> A tap on the door jerked his head to the left. There was
> Bob, a folded paper in hand. Jack rolled down the window
> a mere two inches, just enough room for Bob to pass him
> the slip. "Thanks."
>
> Jack could not quite keep the sneer out of his voice. Bob
> returned to his police car without a word. Jack watched his
> retreat in the mirror. Jack unfolded the sheet of paper.
> How much was this one going to cost? Wait a minute.
> What was this? Some kind of joke? Certainly not a ticket.
> Jack began to read:
>
> "Dear Jack, Once upon a time I had a daughter. She was
> six when killed by a car. You guessed it -- a speeding
> driver. A fine and three months in jail, and the man was
> free. Free to hug his daughters. All three of them. I only
> had one, and I'm going to have to wait until Heaven before
> I can ever hug her again. A thousand times I've tried to
> forgive that man. A thousand times I thought I had. Maybe
> I did, but I need to do it again. Even now. Pray for me.
> And be careful. My son is all I have left. Bob"
>
> Jack turned around in time to see Bob's car pull way and
> head down the road. Jack watched until it disappeared. A
> full 15 minutes later, he, too, pulled away and drove slowly
> home, praying for forgiveness and hugging a surprised
> wife and kids when he arrived.
>
> Life is precious. Handle with care.
>
> Funny how you can send a thousand 'jokes' through e-mail
> and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending
> messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about
> sharing. This is an important message, please pass it along
> to your friends. Drive safely and carefully. Remember, cars
> are not the only thing recalled by their maker.
>
>
> Submitted By: R. Jonny Seven
>
>
> *&%^#$)*&#)*&#)@#$*(#@^%)#)#%)*($(*%^&*
12110 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:51am
Subject: Re: YJ 4.2 motor mounts
A floor jack underneath the oil pan. Use a piece of wood to distribute the
weight on the pan. Works like a charm...at least it did for me.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <cmandrick@v...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 1:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] YJ 4.2 motor mounts
> What is the best (read: easiest) way to change motor mounts in a YJ? I
> like the prybar method, but I will be doing this job solo...
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
12111 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 6:56am
Subject: Re: diff ratio
"Should" be 4.10's. Do the
lift-a-tire-and-spin-it-and-count-the-drive-shaft-rotations deal. This
is the ONLY way to be absolutely positive of your ratio!
--
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Jay Eller
President
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
12112 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2000 7:23am
Subject: RE: YJ 4.2 motor mounts
I used a floor jack, placed under the bell house with a 2x4 to spread the
load, when I did my TJ mounts. I would think the mounts should be pretty
much the same style.
I loosened both sides and then applied upward pressure with the jack.
Remove and replace one side, then do the other. I found it was handy to
have a friend since on the TJ mounts, one person tightening the nut on the
bottom while person #2 holds the bolt head on top made it much easier.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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http://home.off-road.com/~stu
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Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@v...]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 1:54 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] YJ 4.2 motor mounts
What is the best (read: easiest) way to change motor mounts in a YJ? I
like the prybar method, but I will be doing this job solo...
Chris