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11913 From: <eandkm@u...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 8:54pm
Subject: Re: RE: greenies etc.
Your right Stu, I said I was sorry. Guess I was having a bad day, but why is it everyone says they can have their own opinions on here but I get hate mail from some of you on mine?????? Again, sorry to start a war, forgive me and lets go jeepin ok?
Erin
Stu Olson wrote:
Not to start a war over postings....but it seems to me there has been runs
every single weekend all summer long being posted. I am forever (and I do
not mind) deleting runs about Chia Falls, Charloueasu Gap, XJ cooling
problems, for sale postings, someone that couldn't get their carrier out,
keeping a trail log, someone wanting stock springs, Linda IDing a t-case, CJ
brake and clutch option, someone wanting a tranny, a LONG discussion about
4" lifts in Utah, XJ emission questions, doing a spring over project, Sean
selling his TJ, a t-case not staying in 4HI, the right carb for a 4.2L
engine, clutch noise problems, something going on over by Globe, FR42 was
run about two weeks back, 4 runs on Terminator if memory serves me correctly
(including some awesome BigIron participation I believe), Bulldog Canyon,
many postings for night runs, heck, I can't remember all of them.....am I
wrong or what here?
There is also postings of broken Jeeps, carbs, George in search of a FSJ,
George's new TJ, Linda and her various topics...injectors, Rubicon run,
on-board hot water, someone with a roll bar question, regearing and a
lengthy exchange on powertrax and lockright lockers, Len getting rid of the
non-titled Jeep in his back yard....heck, this list keeps going on and on
too.
(most of those topics all came from the last 8 days of deleted mail)
Eric, there are certainly political comments going back and forth, but there
is no way you will convince me that there is not a ton of direct Jeeping
topics going down all the time and runs happening every weekend. Sorry, I
will not buy into your comments.
My delete key is about all used up too....I don't care much about XJ
emissions or XJ injectors, spring over projects, the Terminator, carbs for
4.2L engines, clutch noise probelms, on-board hot water (sorry Linda)....but
the point is, there is a lot of stuff posted here that may OR may not appeal
to you. That is why they made the delete key! So we ALL learn to use it.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: eandkm@uswest.net [mailto:eandkm@uswest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:26 PM
To: My1stJeep@excite.com
Cc: eandkm@uswest.net; 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going on out
there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less wheeling and
more
and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that land. I
enjoy
wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my delete key is
worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for that one
bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately because of it..
Ok,
sorry I apologize to all.............
Erin
"Chris R." wrote:
> Erin,
>
> I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the good fight
and
> present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open? If they
> close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
>
> Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the "greenies", knowing
> we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if everyone
posted
> something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has an opinion
> that could happen.
>
> I don't know where else you would like this information to get to us. To
me
> approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off steam makes
> clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be affected by it.
I
> personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge envolved
to
> preserve our rights.
>
> If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see anyone
want
> to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope this has
> not upset you more, but there is always room for additional clubs, maybe
for
> those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the Ostrich
> Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land issues. Just
a
> thought.
>
> Good luck whatever your decision.
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@excite.com
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> fool forever."
>
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@uswest.net wrote:
>
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11914 From: <eandkm@u...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 9:02pm
Subject: Re: RE: greenies etc.
Your probably right Larry. After all, I would hate to miss out on a run with you, you've been a great jeep bud.
Erin
Larry wrote:
Erin, I think you should try to hang in there a little longer. It appears
that Mike Chatfield is going to have us a nice website with tools that will
help alleviate some of the problems.
Regards,
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Cc: ;
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
> Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going on out
> there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less wheeling and
more
> and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that land. I
enjoy
> wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my delete key
is
> worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for that one
> bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately because of
it.. Ok,
> sorry I apologize to all.............
> Erin
>
> "Chris R." wrote:
>
> > Erin,
> >
> > I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the good fight
and
> > present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open? If
they
> > close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
> >
> > Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the "greenies",
knowing
> > we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if everyone
posted
> > something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has an
opinion
> > that could happen.
> >
> > I don't know where else you would like this information to get to us.
To me
> > approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off steam makes
> > clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be affected by
it. I
> > personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge envolved
to
> > preserve our rights.
> >
> > If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see anyone
want
> > to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope this
has
> > not upset you more, but there is always room for additional clubs, maybe
for
> > those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the Ostrich
> > Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land issues.
Just a
> > thought.
> >
> > Good luck whatever your decision.
> >
> > Chris
> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > My1stJeep@excite.com
> > '97 TJ
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains
a
> > fool forever."
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@uswest.net wrote:
> >
> > >
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>
>
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11915 From: Dan Frazer <notaborg@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 9:19pm
Subject: RE: TR ZJ in Terminator (hopefully for the last time)
Bill,
I agree, Lower Terminator isn't bad at all.. I read an article were someone took a stock TJ through it with some fancy driving. I think people are just scared of it's name. The white line was the only hair raiser for me and if you pick the right line it's not that hard. I should be there Friday evening with as much stuff as I can drag up to help with.
See ya on the trail,
Dan Frazer
-84' CJ7
-----Original Message-----
From: William Mish [mailto:yldkat55@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:29 AM
To: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] TR ZJ in Terminator (hopefully for the last time)
Well, this is it, I hope!
Need some Jeeps to tow out the rubble. We got a motor and tranny, a front
end and 2 pieces of the front clip, along with some misc. metal pieces here
and there. This week, I'll be taking the trailer up, Hopefully with Ross'
Jeep on the way up, and with the ZJ on the way back.
Once again, I'll try to be up there first, at 5:00 - 6:00 PM. We'll be at it
most of the night I'm sure, so come when you can if you know where it is,
otherwise, plan on meeting at the parking lot at either 5:30, or 7:00 P.M..
I could use 2 people to help load the trailer. This would not require going
on the trail, for those who have no desire to break something, or just want
to help, but don't feel their Jeep or their skill level is up to being on
the trail.
I'll check on a full size or flatbed 4 wheeler for the motor, If you know of
anyone, please ask them. I would recommend they be short wheelbase pickup 4"
lift and 35" tires along with at least a locker. We should have a winch up
there on one of the vehicles. I will be able to spot them through the trail
if needed. I have had a full size F-350 back there, but that was a good
friend I've spotted many times. Get back to me and let me know if you find
someone willing.
Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, this trail isn't that tough.
All the people who have been breaking have been due for some time. I've run
this trail numerous times without incident. When you run a bunch of hard
core trails, sooner or later you break. 9 times out of 10, it's doing
something easy when everyone is watching! If you haven't seen the trail,
don't be too quick to judge. You may find yourself driving it without
failure.
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
11916 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 10:14pm
Subject: Re: Friday
Best I could do for directions
Channel 4 will be monitored by someone, keep in mind, "someone" will be in a
wash.. IE poor reception, unless your in it too!
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Quinn <tom@quinnections.com>
To: <yldkat55@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Friday
> If you get a chance can you either send directly to me or post the
> directions to Friday's Terminator clean up? I've been to that area
> once a couple of years ago, but as my Jeep isn't quite up to that
> challenge, I don't know the area at all.
>
> As I said my Jeep can't make the run but I may be able to get up
> there to offer some help of some kind. At the least I'll have a
> cooler full of drinks. I can't promise I can make it that night, but
> I'll sure try. I just have no idea where to go.
>
> I hope I speak for a lot of Jeepers when I say "THANK YOU!!" for your
> efforts on getting that ZJ out of there. It would be nice if these
> efforts were noticed by the public, but they of course only see the
> bad things Jeepers do, never the positive efforts a few of the "good
> apples" like yourself and Jon Loveless (Coves cleanup organizer) put
> together and are so persitent in completing.
>
> Later,
>
> Tom
>
>
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11917 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 11:47am
Subject: Re: hate mail was: RE: greenies etc.
If you AREN'T getting hate mail, then you aren't expressing your opinions
enough. :-) Heck man, I have a subfolder in my inbox just for hate mail!
When I was moderating the IFSJA list I felt slighted if I didn't get at
least one nastygram a day............and until you've been "fired" from a
volunteer position for being too outspoken you haven't really begun to get
hate mail. :-) It's kind of like judging your ability as a manager by how
many times you find "Len Sullivan is a dick" written on the shelves in the
back room.
If you have an opinion and are firm in your convictions, speak up! Some of
the best conversations I've ever had started out with an agreement to
disagree. I've even been known to post overly inflammatory points of view
just to get people to THINK. You should have seen some of the messages I
got a while back when I suggested that all of the rigs and drivers should be
rated by their ability and setup.....and that their rating should be used to
determine what trails they could drive on. Was I wrong? Yes. Did I know
it was wrong when I wrote it? Yes. Did it piss people off? Yes. Did it
make people think about driving responsibly and being more realistic about
their abilities? YES. That was the point of the whole exercise......to get
everyone's attention and make them think about the real issue.
In short, don't let the "hate mail" bother you. Being able to express your
ideas and discuss them with others is what makes this a great list. If
everyone agreed with everybody else all the time, it would be boring.
See ya' at the White Tanks cleanup
Len the Subversive Jeeper
(title courtesy of Patrick Chicas of Off-road.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: eandkm@u... <eandkm@u...>
To: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
>Your right Stu, I said I was sorry. Guess I was having a bad
>day, but why is it everyone says they can have their own
>opinions on here but I get hate mail from some of you on
>mine?????? Again, sorry to start a war, forgive me and lets
>go jeepin ok?
>Erin
>
>Stu Olson wrote:
>
>> Not to start a war over postings....but it seems to me
>> there has been runs
>> every single weekend all summer long being posted. I am
>> forever (and I do
>> not mind) deleting
11918 From: ebnhils:First ebnhils:Last <ebnhils@e...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 10:18pm
Subject: Re: RE: greenies etc.
QUIT WHINING MY DELETE BUTTON IS WEARING OUT!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: eandkm@uswest.net
To: Stu Olson
Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
Your right Stu, I said I was sorry. Guess I was having a bad day, but why is it everyone says they can have their own opinions on here but I get hate mail from some of you on mine?????? Again, sorry to start a war, forgive me and lets go jeepin ok?
Erin
Stu Olson wrote:
Not to start a war over postings....but it seems to me there has been runs
every single weekend all summer long being posted. I am forever (and I do
not mind) deleting runs about Chia Falls, Charloueasu Gap, XJ cooling
problems, for sale postings, someone that couldn't get their carrier out,
keeping a trail log, someone wanting stock springs, Linda IDing a t-case, CJ
brake and clutch option, someone wanting a tranny, a LONG discussion about
4" lifts in Utah, XJ emission questions, doing a spring over project, Sean
selling his TJ, a t-case not staying in 4HI, the right carb for a 4.2L
engine, clutch noise problems, something going on over by Globe, FR42 was
run about two weeks back, 4 runs on Terminator if memory serves me correctly
(including some awesome BigIron participation I believe), Bulldog Canyon,
many postings for night runs, heck, I can't remember all of them.....am I
wrong or what here?
There is also postings of broken Jeeps, carbs, George in search of a FSJ,
George's new TJ, Linda and her various topics...injectors, Rubicon run,
on-board hot water, someone with a roll bar question, regearing and a
lengthy exchange on powertrax and lockright lockers, Len getting rid of the
non-titled Jeep in his back yard....heck, this list keeps going on and on
too.
(most of those topics all came from the last 8 days of deleted mail)
Eric, there are certainly political comments going back and forth, but there
is no way you will convince me that there is not a ton of direct Jeeping
topics going down all the time and runs happening every weekend. Sorry, I
will not buy into your comments.
My delete key is about all used up too....I don't care much about XJ
emissions or XJ injectors, spring over projects, the Terminator, carbs for
4.2L engines, clutch noise probelms, on-board hot water (sorry Linda)....but
the point is, there is a lot of stuff posted here that may OR may not appeal
to you. That is why they made the delete key! So we ALL learn to use it.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: eandkm@uswest.net [mailto:eandkm@uswest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:26 PM
To: My1stJeep@excite.com
Cc: eandkm@uswest.net; 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going on out
there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less wheeling and
more
and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that land. I
enjoy
wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my delete key is
worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for that one
bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately because of it..
Ok,
sorry I apologize to all.............
Erin
"Chris R." wrote:
> Erin,
>
> I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the good fight
and
> present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open? If they
> close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
>
> Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the "greenies", knowing
> we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if everyone
posted
> something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has an opinion
> that could happen.
>
> I don't know where else you would like this information to get to us. To
me
> approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off steam makes
> clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be affected by it.
I
> personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge envolved
to
> preserve our rights.
>
> If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see anyone
want
> to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope this has
> not upset you more, but there is always room for additional clubs, maybe
for
> those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the Ostrich
> Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land issues. Just
a
> thought.
>
> Good luck whatever your decision.
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@excite.com
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> fool forever."
>
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@uswest.net wrote:
>
> >
> > << File Attachment Removed: "text/html; charset=us-ascii" >>
> >
> > << File Attachment Removed: "image/gif" >>
>
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11919 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 11:51am
Subject: Re: White Tanks cleanup repost
-----Original Message-----
From: Dion & Paola <amstaff@e...>
To: az_vjc <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:27 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks cleanup repost
> Reply to: White Tanks cleanup repost
>Hi all: If possible, could some repost all the particulars for the White
Tanks cleanup this Saturday (time, directions, etc.)?
Here ya' go...........
-----Original Message-----
From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>; arizonaxj@egroups.com
<arizonaxj@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:54 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] New Date for White tanks cleanup
>WHITE TANKS CLEANUP
>
>Aug 26th 7:00am at the Dunes...
>Take I10 West apx 36 miles to Miller Rd. from Miller Rd. head south to Yuma
>rd. Yuma rd is on the other side of the eastbound on ramp..
>take Yuma rd. east to Watson Rd. turn left on Watson rd.(dirt) follow the
>dirt road up to the big water tank, the road will bank to the right
>follow the road about 500 feet to a Y in the road. Stay to the left and the
>Dune will be on the right side of the road about 500 feet from the Y..
>
>I have spoken to Tammy Pike from the State Land Dept Ohv program and she is
>working on getting some large dumpsters out to the area..
>I have also e-mail info to all the clubs in the ASA4WDC about the event.
>
>Lets show em what were made of...
>Dave
>
>
11920 From: <eandkm@u...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 10:04pm
Subject: Re: hate mail was: RE: greenies etc.
LOL, thanks Len. Your right, I remember the war you started with the rating thing. I did get a laught at all the crazy responses. See you at white tanks cleanup...........
Erin
Len Sullivan wrote:
If you AREN'T getting hate mail, then you aren't expressing your opinions
enough. :-) Heck man, I have a subfolder in my inbox just for hate mail!
When I was moderating the IFSJA list I felt slighted if I didn't get at
least one nastygram a day............and until you've been "fired" from a
volunteer position for being too outspoken you haven't really begun to get
hate mail. :-) It's kind of like judging your ability as a manager by how
many times you find "Len Sullivan is a dick" written on the shelves in the
back room.
If you have an opinion and are firm in your convictions, speak up! Some of
the best conversations I've ever had started out with an agreement to
disagree. I've even been known to post overly inflammatory points of view
just to get people to THINK. You should have seen some of the messages I
got a while back when I suggested that all of the rigs and drivers should be
rated by their ability and setup.....and that their rating should be used to
determine what trails they could drive on. Was I wrong? Yes. Did I know
it was wrong when I wrote it? Yes. Did it piss people off? Yes. Did it
make people think about driving responsibly and being more realistic about
their abilities? YES. That was the point of the whole exercise......to get
everyone's attention and make them think about the real issue.
In short, don't let the "hate mail" bother you. Being able to express your
ideas and discuss them with others is what makes this a great list. If
everyone agreed with everybody else all the time, it would be boring.
See ya' at the White Tanks cleanup
Len the Subversive Jeeper
(title courtesy of Patrick Chicas of Off-road.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: eandkm@uswest.net
To: Stu Olson
Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
>Your right Stu, I said I was sorry. Guess I was having a bad
>day, but why is it everyone says they can have their own
>opinions on here but I get hate mail from some of you on
>mine?????? Again, sorry to start a war, forgive me and lets
>go jeepin ok?
>Erin
>
>Stu Olson wrote:
>
>> Not to start a war over postings....but it seems to me
>> there has been runs
>> every single weekend all summer long being posted. I am
>> forever (and I do
>> not mind) deleting
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11921 From: keith - alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 3:20pm
Subject: DELETE BUTTON WORN OUT
when the delete button wears out you can always right click and select delete :)
just trying to help :)
www.alloffroad.com
www.primenet.com/~crusari
www.abusivemotorsports.com
11922 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 11:58pm
Subject: PARTS WERE RECOVERED
I want to thank all of you who spent time either reading or forwarding this
info, the parts were found. I have no words to explain how I feel now, I
still cant believe this kind of things happen, I hope this wont ever happen
to any of you.
Again thanks for your efforts.
Jesus Chio
www.alloffroad.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.D. Nash" <jdlois@j...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:48 PM
Subject: PARTS ARE RECOVERED
> I recv'd several phone calls tonight from our thief turned to citizen.
> The last call gave me the location of the parts. They were just down the
> road from me, placed beneath a towel behind a bush. Robert was on duty
> and was able to meet me at the site to cover my back side. We found all
> of the parts and put them in Roberts patrol car. I believe the person
> who dropped them off waited to ensure that I arrived as I saw a green
> Jeep cherokee sport drive away as I pulled up. I have E-mailed the
> person who had the parts and told them that they were in Roberts hands.
>
> I am happy and hope to get my first good nights sleep since last
> Thursday. To me this adds a huge level of closure to this tragedy. The
> only thing left for me to consider is the possible placement of a small
> monument near the scen of the accident. If there is any interest in this
> I would plan it for next spring.
>
> Anyway - I'm safe, the parts are safe and all seems to be gettin' better.
>
> JDN
>
11923 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 0:01am
Subject: Re: PLEASE, WE NEED YOUR HELP
The parts were recovered, thanks!
Jesus Chio
www.alloffroad.com
Free webpages
http://signup.alloffroad.com
My Eb project
www.alloffroad.com/chio
11924 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 7:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: greenies etc.
I thought you were gone....???
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11925 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 4:44am
Subject: Any Runs In the Payson Area
I am planning to head up Payson way Friday for some wheeling but can't seem to find any trail info. I have heard that Fossil Creek or Clear Creek is good but can't find any TR info. Anybody have any suggestions for that area???
Rick
11926 From: <mesa@s...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 4:46am
Subject: greenies and CNN.
Last night I was watching the news on the Western wildfires and the
firefighters were claiming the fires were running hotter and bigger,
reason being the greenies will not let anybody in to thin out the
dead forests area which in turn gives more to burn. Evidently the
firefighter commander was going to bring this up in Washington if I
am remembering correctly to see what could be done to bring in a
happy medium. forests roads?hmm
M.Foster
mesa@s...
11927 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 6:05am
Subject: Re: Group Run
Yep, I would be interested. I had just signed up last year when that run
happened. I'd like to try to make one of these big ones this year.
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
11928 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Group Run
Yup, count me in too. would be fun to meet more people from the group.
ChrisK
> From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:05:09 -0700
> Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Group Run
>
> Yep, I would be interested. I had just signed up last year when that run
> happened. I'd like to try to make one of these big ones this year.
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> President
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11929 From: <jims737@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 2:18am
Subject: Re: Just Chiming in
Thank you Jon I couldn't agree more, look forward to wheeling again with
you.
Jim...
93yj locked and ready.
11930 From: <pvnuc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 2:41am
Subject: Need some help on 94 YJ 4.0 engine problem
I have an electrical problem that I have no answer for, thought maybe one of
you, been there done this before.
The engine runs great 99.9% of the time then when crossing and intersection
or just driving down the road the engine up and quits. No warning, no missing
just dies dead. In some cases I can turn the key off and start it right back
up no problems. The radio and accessories continue to work. It will run for a
day or so and then do it again. Some times it will not start, just crank away
and then 10-20 minutes later work just fine. It has died 3 times just sitting
at a red light, not a great position when the darn thing goes red, and I'm
dead. I spent many hours checking all the wiring for a short, but no luck. I
have an MSD install, but not sure why it would be the problem. So before I
start the replacement witch hunt thought I would throw it out to the group.
Thanks for and thoughts.
Bill
11931 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 6:55am
Subject: Re: Need some help on 94 YJ 4.0 engine problem
Bypass the MSD and see if the problem goes away. I had a similiar
problem with a Jacobs unit. If it still contiunes to do it then you
have at least elimiated one possible cause.
pvnuc@a... wrote:
>
> I have an electrical problem that I have no answer for, thought maybe one of
> you, been there done this before.
> The engine runs great 99.9% of the time then when crossing and intersection
> or just driving down the road the engine up and quits. No warning, no missing
> just dies dead. In some cases I can turn the key off and start it right back
> up no problems. The radio and accessories continue to work. It will run for a
> day or so and then do it again. Some times it will not start, just crank away
> and then 10-20 minutes later work just fine. It has died 3 times just sitting
> at a red light, not a great position when the darn thing goes red, and I'm
> dead. I spent many hours checking all the wiring for a short, but no luck. I
> have an MSD install, but not sure why it would be the problem. So before I
> start the replacement witch hunt thought I would throw it out to the group.
> Thanks for and thoughts.
> Bill
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11932 From: Devon Whitney <a74cj6@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:09am
Subject: Re: greenies etc.
"bonehead...throwing punches" What the hell post were you reading??
I agree 100% that the problem with a group this size is people with
skin that's too thin, and too many people who need to lighten up.
Your first post to the group proves the latter and your "bonehead"
post proves the former.
My first post should have just proven the point that sometimes when
you ask a stupid (off topic) question (selling a lamp in a Jeep
group) you're going to get a stupid answer (how much?). If you still
want to make more out of this than I put in, that's your prerogative.
But know from the source, you're fighting imagined demons. I wasn't
throwing punches, I was using a joke to defend a good group of people
from your unsolicted exit remarks.
I stay in this group because I get a lot more value from it, than it
takes from me by having to press 'delete' or deal with the
name-calling. For example, Jim Langdon helped me replace a throw-out
bearing and pilot bushing which cost him a whole evening, while
saving me about $400. Because of that, I feel I owe this group a
whole lot and will do what I can to help it, and defend it. When, or
if I ever decide to leave because of sniping I'll probably just do it
quietly and get on to other things. Something you were unable to do.
You and everyone else are also correct that there's a lot of wasted
bandwidth but "what" is wasted depends on your point of view and what
a specific persons interests are. We all have the right to our
opinions, and we all have the right to our responses when someone
snipes a group we like on their way out of it.
The End,
Devon
1974 CJ-6
a74cj6@a...
www.5pillars.com/ucan2
www.homestead.com/a74cj6
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, <eandkm@u...> wrote:
> Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going
on out
> there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less
wheeling and more
> and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that
land. I enjoy
> wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my
delete key is
> worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for
that one
> bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately
because
of it.. Ok,
> sorry I apologize to all.............
> Erin
>
> "Chris R." wrote:
>
> > Erin,
> >
> > I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the
good
fight and
> > present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open?
If they
> > close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
> >
> > Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the
"greenies",
knowing
> > we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if
everyone posted
> > something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has
an
opinion
> > that could happen.
> >
> > I don't know where else you would like this information to get to
us. To me
> > approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off
steam
makes
> > clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be
affected
by it. I
> > personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge
envolved to
> > preserve our rights.
> >
> > If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see
anyone want
> > to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope
this has
> > not upset you more, but there is always room for additional
clubs,
maybe for
> > those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the
Ostrich
> > Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land
issues. Just a
> > thought.
> >
> > Good luck whatever your decision.
> >
> > Chris
> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > My1stJeep@e...
> > '97 TJ
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
remains a
> > fool forever."
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@u... wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > << File Attachment Removed: "text/html; charset=us-ascii" >>
> > >
> > > << File Attachment Removed: "image/gif" >>
> >
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11933 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 3:18am
Subject: Re: Group Run
It sounds like alot of fun and well needed idea... Id be game for anyone of
the ideas you noted.
Sharky
11934 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:25am
Subject: Re: Re: greenies etc.
Can we drop this. Three days of this is getting a little old. Let's
all get along and get back to Jeeps.
Devon Whitney wrote:
>
> "bonehead...throwing punches" What the hell post were you reading??
>
> I agree 100% that the problem with a group this size is people with
> skin that's too thin, and too many people who need to lighten up.
> Your first post to the group proves the latter and your "bonehead"
> post proves the former.
>
> My first post should have just proven the point that sometimes when
> you ask a stupid (off topic) question (selling a lamp in a Jeep
> group) you're going to get a stupid answer (how much?). If you still
> want to make more out of this than I put in, that's your prerogative.
> But know from the source, you're fighting imagined demons. I wasn't
> throwing punches, I was using a joke to defend a good group of people
> from your unsolicted exit remarks.
>
> I stay in this group because I get a lot more value from it, than it
> takes from me by having to press 'delete' or deal with the
> name-calling. For example, Jim Langdon helped me replace a throw-out
> bearing and pilot bushing which cost him a whole evening, while
> saving me about $400. Because of that, I feel I owe this group a
> whole lot and will do what I can to help it, and defend it. When, or
> if I ever decide to leave because of sniping I'll probably just do it
> quietly and get on to other things. Something you were unable to do.
>
> You and everyone else are also correct that there's a lot of wasted
> bandwidth but "what" is wasted depends on your point of view and what
> a specific persons interests are. We all have the right to our
> opinions, and we all have the right to our responses when someone
> snipes a group we like on their way out of it.
>
> The End,
>
> Devon
> 1974 CJ-6
> a74cj6@a...
> www.5pillars.com/ucan2
> www.homestead.com/a74cj6
>
> --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, <eandkm@u...> wrote:
> > Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going
> on out
> > there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less
> wheeling and more
> > and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that
> land. I enjoy
> > wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my
> delete key is
> > worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for
> that one
> > bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately
> because
> of it.. Ok,
> > sorry I apologize to all.............
> > Erin
> >
> > "Chris R." wrote:
> >
> > > Erin,
> > >
> > > I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the
> good
> fight and
> > > present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open?
> If they
> > > close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
> > >
> > > Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the
> "greenies",
> knowing
> > > we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if
> everyone posted
> > > something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has
> an
> opinion
> > > that could happen.
> > >
> > > I don't know where else you would like this information to get to
> us. To me
> > > approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off
> steam
> makes
> > > clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be
> affected
> by it. I
> > > personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge
> envolved to
> > > preserve our rights.
> > >
> > > If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see
> anyone want
> > > to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope
> this has
> > > not upset you more, but there is always room for additional
> clubs,
> maybe for
> > > those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the
> Ostrich
> > > Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land
> issues. Just a
> > > thought.
> > >
> > > Good luck whatever your decision.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > > My1stJeep@e...
> > > '97 TJ
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
> remains a
> > > fool forever."
> > >
> > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@u... wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > << File Attachment Removed: "text/html; charset=us-ascii" >>
> > > >
> > > > << File Attachment Removed: "image/gif" >>
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________ _____
> > > Say Bye to Slow Internet!
> > > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11935 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:21am
Subject: RE: Need some help on 94 YJ 4.0 engine problem
Check your crankshaft position sensor. It seems I have heard these same
symptoms and that was one of the fixes.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pvnuc@a... [mailto:pvnuc@a...]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 06:41
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Need some help on 94 YJ 4.0 engine problem
>
>
>I have an electrical problem that I have no answer for, thought
>maybe one of
>you, been there done this before.
>The engine runs great 99.9% of the time then when crossing and
>intersection
>or just driving down the road the engine up and quits. No warning,
>no missing
>just dies dead. In some cases I can turn the key off and start it
>right back
>up no problems. The radio and accessories continue to work. It
>will run for a
>day or so and then do it again. Some times it will not start, just
>crank away
>and then 10-20 minutes later work just fine. It has died 3 times
>just sitting
>at a red light, not a great position when the darn thing goes red, and I'm
>dead. I spent many hours checking all the wiring for a short, but
>no luck. I
>have an MSD install, but not sure why it would be the problem. So before I
>start the replacement witch hunt thought I would throw it out to
>the group.
>Thanks for and thoughts.
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
11936 From: Jason Grover <v-jgro@m...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:32am
Subject: Winch repair - WAS: Re: greenies etc.
Agreed!!! Erin apologized (even had a good point about opinions..) and
everyone else has spoken their peace.
So uhh... My winch is leaking oil (don't worry, it's on a Jeep ;) from the
right side, at the seam next to the drum. It's a Ramsey 9500... I have it
off right now to work on my bumper (Had to modify the ARB Bull Bar to get it
to fit, then rust started to show up) And how I noticed the motor on the
left is loose. I can't seem to find a bolt to tighten it up.
Anyone here a winch expert?
Jason (Beating dead horses always makes me tired...)
-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard K. Pennock [mailto:leonardpennock@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:26 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: greenies etc.
Can we drop this. Three days of this is getting a little old. Let's
all get along and get back to Jeeps.
Devon Whitney wrote:
>
> "bonehead...throwing punches" What the hell post were you reading??
>
> I agree 100% that the problem with a group this size is people with
> skin that's too thin, and too many people who need to lighten up.
> Your first post to the group proves the latter and your "bonehead"
> post proves the former.
>
> My first post should have just proven the point that sometimes when
> you ask a stupid (off topic) question (selling a lamp in a Jeep
> group) you're going to get a stupid answer (how much?). If you still
> want to make more out of this than I put in, that's your prerogative.
> But know from the source, you're fighting imagined demons. I wasn't
> throwing punches, I was using a joke to defend a good group of people
> from your unsolicted exit remarks.
>
> I stay in this group because I get a lot more value from it, than it
> takes from me by having to press 'delete' or deal with the
> name-calling. For example, Jim Langdon helped me replace a throw-out
> bearing and pilot bushing which cost him a whole evening, while
> saving me about $400. Because of that, I feel I owe this group a
> whole lot and will do what I can to help it, and defend it. When, or
> if I ever decide to leave because of sniping I'll probably just do it
> quietly and get on to other things. Something you were unable to do.
>
> You and everyone else are also correct that there's a lot of wasted
> bandwidth but "what" is wasted depends on your point of view and what
> a specific persons interests are. We all have the right to our
> opinions, and we all have the right to our responses when someone
> snipes a group we like on their way out of it.
>
> The End,
>
> Devon
> 1974 CJ-6
> a74cj6@a...
> www.5pillars.com/ucan2
> www.homestead.com/a74cj6
>
> --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, <eandkm@u...> wrote:
> > Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going
> on out
> > there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less
> wheeling and more
> > and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that
> land. I enjoy
> > wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my
> delete key is
> > worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for
> that one
> > bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately
> because
> of it.. Ok,
> > sorry I apologize to all.............
> > Erin
> >
> > "Chris R." wrote:
> >
> > > Erin,
> > >
> > > I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the
> good
> fight and
> > > present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open?
> If they
> > > close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
> > >
> > > Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the
> "greenies",
> knowing
> > > we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if
> everyone posted
> > > something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has
> an
> opinion
> > > that could happen.
> > >
> > > I don't know where else you would like this information to get to
> us. To me
> > > approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off
> steam
> makes
> > > clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be
> affected
> by it. I
> > > personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge
> envolved to
> > > preserve our rights.
> > >
> > > If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see
> anyone want
> > > to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope
> this has
> > > not upset you more, but there is always room for additional
> clubs,
> maybe for
> > > those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the
> Ostrich
> > > Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land
> issues. Just a
> > > thought.
> > >
> > > Good luck whatever your decision.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > > My1stJeep@e...
> > > '97 TJ
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
> remains a
> > > fool forever."
> > >
> > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@u... wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > << File Attachment Removed: "text/html; charset=us-ascii" >>
> > > >
> > > > << File Attachment Removed: "image/gif" >>
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________ _____
> > > Say Bye to Slow Internet!
> > > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11937 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:51am
Subject: Re: Group Run
Count me in!!!
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
----------------------------------------------------
"He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
fool forever."
__________________________________________________ _____
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11913 From: <eandkm@u...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 8:54pm
Subject: Re: RE: greenies etc.
Your right Stu, I said I was sorry. Guess I was having a bad day, but why is it everyone says they can have their own opinions on here but I get hate mail from some of you on mine?????? Again, sorry to start a war, forgive me and lets go jeepin ok?
Erin
Stu Olson wrote:
Not to start a war over postings....but it seems to me there has been runs
every single weekend all summer long being posted. I am forever (and I do
not mind) deleting runs about Chia Falls, Charloueasu Gap, XJ cooling
problems, for sale postings, someone that couldn't get their carrier out,
keeping a trail log, someone wanting stock springs, Linda IDing a t-case, CJ
brake and clutch option, someone wanting a tranny, a LONG discussion about
4" lifts in Utah, XJ emission questions, doing a spring over project, Sean
selling his TJ, a t-case not staying in 4HI, the right carb for a 4.2L
engine, clutch noise problems, something going on over by Globe, FR42 was
run about two weeks back, 4 runs on Terminator if memory serves me correctly
(including some awesome BigIron participation I believe), Bulldog Canyon,
many postings for night runs, heck, I can't remember all of them.....am I
wrong or what here?
There is also postings of broken Jeeps, carbs, George in search of a FSJ,
George's new TJ, Linda and her various topics...injectors, Rubicon run,
on-board hot water, someone with a roll bar question, regearing and a
lengthy exchange on powertrax and lockright lockers, Len getting rid of the
non-titled Jeep in his back yard....heck, this list keeps going on and on
too.
(most of those topics all came from the last 8 days of deleted mail)
Eric, there are certainly political comments going back and forth, but there
is no way you will convince me that there is not a ton of direct Jeeping
topics going down all the time and runs happening every weekend. Sorry, I
will not buy into your comments.
My delete key is about all used up too....I don't care much about XJ
emissions or XJ injectors, spring over projects, the Terminator, carbs for
4.2L engines, clutch noise probelms, on-board hot water (sorry Linda)....but
the point is, there is a lot of stuff posted here that may OR may not appeal
to you. That is why they made the delete key! So we ALL learn to use it.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: eandkm@uswest.net [mailto:eandkm@uswest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:26 PM
To: My1stJeep@excite.com
Cc: eandkm@uswest.net; 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going on out
there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less wheeling and
more
and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that land. I
enjoy
wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my delete key is
worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for that one
bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately because of it..
Ok,
sorry I apologize to all.............
Erin
"Chris R." wrote:
> Erin,
>
> I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the good fight
and
> present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open? If they
> close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
>
> Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the "greenies", knowing
> we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if everyone
posted
> something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has an opinion
> that could happen.
>
> I don't know where else you would like this information to get to us. To
me
> approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off steam makes
> clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be affected by it.
I
> personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge envolved
to
> preserve our rights.
>
> If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see anyone
want
> to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope this has
> not upset you more, but there is always room for additional clubs, maybe
for
> those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the Ostrich
> Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land issues. Just
a
> thought.
>
> Good luck whatever your decision.
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@excite.com
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> fool forever."
>
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11914 From: <eandkm@u...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 9:02pm
Subject: Re: RE: greenies etc.
Your probably right Larry. After all, I would hate to miss out on a run with you, you've been a great jeep bud.
Erin
Larry wrote:
Erin, I think you should try to hang in there a little longer. It appears
that Mike Chatfield is going to have us a nice website with tools that will
help alleviate some of the problems.
Regards,
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Cc: ;
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
> Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going on out
> there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less wheeling and
more
> and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that land. I
enjoy
> wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my delete key
is
> worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for that one
> bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately because of
it.. Ok,
> sorry I apologize to all.............
> Erin
>
> "Chris R." wrote:
>
> > Erin,
> >
> > I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the good fight
and
> > present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open? If
they
> > close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
> >
> > Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the "greenies",
knowing
> > we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if everyone
posted
> > something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has an
opinion
> > that could happen.
> >
> > I don't know where else you would like this information to get to us.
To me
> > approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off steam makes
> > clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be affected by
it. I
> > personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge envolved
to
> > preserve our rights.
> >
> > If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see anyone
want
> > to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope this
has
> > not upset you more, but there is always room for additional clubs, maybe
for
> > those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the Ostrich
> > Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land issues.
Just a
> > thought.
> >
> > Good luck whatever your decision.
> >
> > Chris
> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > My1stJeep@excite.com
> > '97 TJ
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains
a
> > fool forever."
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@uswest.net wrote:
> >
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11915 From: Dan Frazer <notaborg@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 9:19pm
Subject: RE: TR ZJ in Terminator (hopefully for the last time)
Bill,
I agree, Lower Terminator isn't bad at all.. I read an article were someone took a stock TJ through it with some fancy driving. I think people are just scared of it's name. The white line was the only hair raiser for me and if you pick the right line it's not that hard. I should be there Friday evening with as much stuff as I can drag up to help with.
See ya on the trail,
Dan Frazer
-84' CJ7
-----Original Message-----
From: William Mish [mailto:yldkat55@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:29 AM
To: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] TR ZJ in Terminator (hopefully for the last time)
Well, this is it, I hope!
Need some Jeeps to tow out the rubble. We got a motor and tranny, a front
end and 2 pieces of the front clip, along with some misc. metal pieces here
and there. This week, I'll be taking the trailer up, Hopefully with Ross'
Jeep on the way up, and with the ZJ on the way back.
Once again, I'll try to be up there first, at 5:00 - 6:00 PM. We'll be at it
most of the night I'm sure, so come when you can if you know where it is,
otherwise, plan on meeting at the parking lot at either 5:30, or 7:00 P.M..
I could use 2 people to help load the trailer. This would not require going
on the trail, for those who have no desire to break something, or just want
to help, but don't feel their Jeep or their skill level is up to being on
the trail.
I'll check on a full size or flatbed 4 wheeler for the motor, If you know of
anyone, please ask them. I would recommend they be short wheelbase pickup 4"
lift and 35" tires along with at least a locker. We should have a winch up
there on one of the vehicles. I will be able to spot them through the trail
if needed. I have had a full size F-350 back there, but that was a good
friend I've spotted many times. Get back to me and let me know if you find
someone willing.
Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, this trail isn't that tough.
All the people who have been breaking have been due for some time. I've run
this trail numerous times without incident. When you run a bunch of hard
core trails, sooner or later you break. 9 times out of 10, it's doing
something easy when everyone is watching! If you haven't seen the trail,
don't be too quick to judge. You may find yourself driving it without
failure.
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
11916 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 10:14pm
Subject: Re: Friday
Best I could do for directions
Channel 4 will be monitored by someone, keep in mind, "someone" will be in a
wash.. IE poor reception, unless your in it too!
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Quinn <tom@quinnections.com>
To: <yldkat55@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Friday
> If you get a chance can you either send directly to me or post the
> directions to Friday's Terminator clean up? I've been to that area
> once a couple of years ago, but as my Jeep isn't quite up to that
> challenge, I don't know the area at all.
>
> As I said my Jeep can't make the run but I may be able to get up
> there to offer some help of some kind. At the least I'll have a
> cooler full of drinks. I can't promise I can make it that night, but
> I'll sure try. I just have no idea where to go.
>
> I hope I speak for a lot of Jeepers when I say "THANK YOU!!" for your
> efforts on getting that ZJ out of there. It would be nice if these
> efforts were noticed by the public, but they of course only see the
> bad things Jeepers do, never the positive efforts a few of the "good
> apples" like yourself and Jon Loveless (Coves cleanup organizer) put
> together and are so persitent in completing.
>
> Later,
>
> Tom
>
>
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11917 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 11:47am
Subject: Re: hate mail was: RE: greenies etc.
If you AREN'T getting hate mail, then you aren't expressing your opinions
enough. :-) Heck man, I have a subfolder in my inbox just for hate mail!
When I was moderating the IFSJA list I felt slighted if I didn't get at
least one nastygram a day............and until you've been "fired" from a
volunteer position for being too outspoken you haven't really begun to get
hate mail. :-) It's kind of like judging your ability as a manager by how
many times you find "Len Sullivan is a dick" written on the shelves in the
back room.
If you have an opinion and are firm in your convictions, speak up! Some of
the best conversations I've ever had started out with an agreement to
disagree. I've even been known to post overly inflammatory points of view
just to get people to THINK. You should have seen some of the messages I
got a while back when I suggested that all of the rigs and drivers should be
rated by their ability and setup.....and that their rating should be used to
determine what trails they could drive on. Was I wrong? Yes. Did I know
it was wrong when I wrote it? Yes. Did it piss people off? Yes. Did it
make people think about driving responsibly and being more realistic about
their abilities? YES. That was the point of the whole exercise......to get
everyone's attention and make them think about the real issue.
In short, don't let the "hate mail" bother you. Being able to express your
ideas and discuss them with others is what makes this a great list. If
everyone agreed with everybody else all the time, it would be boring.
See ya' at the White Tanks cleanup
Len the Subversive Jeeper
(title courtesy of Patrick Chicas of Off-road.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: eandkm@u... <eandkm@u...>
To: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
>Your right Stu, I said I was sorry. Guess I was having a bad
>day, but why is it everyone says they can have their own
>opinions on here but I get hate mail from some of you on
>mine?????? Again, sorry to start a war, forgive me and lets
>go jeepin ok?
>Erin
>
>Stu Olson wrote:
>
>> Not to start a war over postings....but it seems to me
>> there has been runs
>> every single weekend all summer long being posted. I am
>> forever (and I do
>> not mind) deleting
11918 From: ebnhils:First ebnhils:Last <ebnhils@e...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 10:18pm
Subject: Re: RE: greenies etc.
QUIT WHINING MY DELETE BUTTON IS WEARING OUT!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: eandkm@uswest.net
To: Stu Olson
Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
Your right Stu, I said I was sorry. Guess I was having a bad day, but why is it everyone says they can have their own opinions on here but I get hate mail from some of you on mine?????? Again, sorry to start a war, forgive me and lets go jeepin ok?
Erin
Stu Olson wrote:
Not to start a war over postings....but it seems to me there has been runs
every single weekend all summer long being posted. I am forever (and I do
not mind) deleting runs about Chia Falls, Charloueasu Gap, XJ cooling
problems, for sale postings, someone that couldn't get their carrier out,
keeping a trail log, someone wanting stock springs, Linda IDing a t-case, CJ
brake and clutch option, someone wanting a tranny, a LONG discussion about
4" lifts in Utah, XJ emission questions, doing a spring over project, Sean
selling his TJ, a t-case not staying in 4HI, the right carb for a 4.2L
engine, clutch noise problems, something going on over by Globe, FR42 was
run about two weeks back, 4 runs on Terminator if memory serves me correctly
(including some awesome BigIron participation I believe), Bulldog Canyon,
many postings for night runs, heck, I can't remember all of them.....am I
wrong or what here?
There is also postings of broken Jeeps, carbs, George in search of a FSJ,
George's new TJ, Linda and her various topics...injectors, Rubicon run,
on-board hot water, someone with a roll bar question, regearing and a
lengthy exchange on powertrax and lockright lockers, Len getting rid of the
non-titled Jeep in his back yard....heck, this list keeps going on and on
too.
(most of those topics all came from the last 8 days of deleted mail)
Eric, there are certainly political comments going back and forth, but there
is no way you will convince me that there is not a ton of direct Jeeping
topics going down all the time and runs happening every weekend. Sorry, I
will not buy into your comments.
My delete key is about all used up too....I don't care much about XJ
emissions or XJ injectors, spring over projects, the Terminator, carbs for
4.2L engines, clutch noise probelms, on-board hot water (sorry Linda)....but
the point is, there is a lot of stuff posted here that may OR may not appeal
to you. That is why they made the delete key! So we ALL learn to use it.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: eandkm@uswest.net [mailto:eandkm@uswest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:26 PM
To: My1stJeep@excite.com
Cc: eandkm@uswest.net; 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going on out
there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less wheeling and
more
and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that land. I
enjoy
wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my delete key is
worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for that one
bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately because of it..
Ok,
sorry I apologize to all.............
Erin
"Chris R." wrote:
> Erin,
>
> I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the good fight
and
> present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open? If they
> close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
>
> Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the "greenies", knowing
> we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if everyone
posted
> something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has an opinion
> that could happen.
>
> I don't know where else you would like this information to get to us. To
me
> approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off steam makes
> clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be affected by it.
I
> personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge envolved
to
> preserve our rights.
>
> If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see anyone
want
> to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope this has
> not upset you more, but there is always room for additional clubs, maybe
for
> those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the Ostrich
> Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land issues. Just
a
> thought.
>
> Good luck whatever your decision.
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@excite.com
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> fool forever."
>
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@uswest.net wrote:
>
> >
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11919 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 11:51am
Subject: Re: White Tanks cleanup repost
-----Original Message-----
From: Dion & Paola <amstaff@e...>
To: az_vjc <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:27 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks cleanup repost
> Reply to: White Tanks cleanup repost
>Hi all: If possible, could some repost all the particulars for the White
Tanks cleanup this Saturday (time, directions, etc.)?
Here ya' go...........
-----Original Message-----
From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>; arizonaxj@egroups.com
<arizonaxj@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:54 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] New Date for White tanks cleanup
>WHITE TANKS CLEANUP
>
>Aug 26th 7:00am at the Dunes...
>Take I10 West apx 36 miles to Miller Rd. from Miller Rd. head south to Yuma
>rd. Yuma rd is on the other side of the eastbound on ramp..
>take Yuma rd. east to Watson Rd. turn left on Watson rd.(dirt) follow the
>dirt road up to the big water tank, the road will bank to the right
>follow the road about 500 feet to a Y in the road. Stay to the left and the
>Dune will be on the right side of the road about 500 feet from the Y..
>
>I have spoken to Tammy Pike from the State Land Dept Ohv program and she is
>working on getting some large dumpsters out to the area..
>I have also e-mail info to all the clubs in the ASA4WDC about the event.
>
>Lets show em what were made of...
>Dave
>
>
11920 From: <eandkm@u...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 10:04pm
Subject: Re: hate mail was: RE: greenies etc.
LOL, thanks Len. Your right, I remember the war you started with the rating thing. I did get a laught at all the crazy responses. See you at white tanks cleanup...........
Erin
Len Sullivan wrote:
If you AREN'T getting hate mail, then you aren't expressing your opinions
enough. :-) Heck man, I have a subfolder in my inbox just for hate mail!
When I was moderating the IFSJA list I felt slighted if I didn't get at
least one nastygram a day............and until you've been "fired" from a
volunteer position for being too outspoken you haven't really begun to get
hate mail. :-) It's kind of like judging your ability as a manager by how
many times you find "Len Sullivan is a dick" written on the shelves in the
back room.
If you have an opinion and are firm in your convictions, speak up! Some of
the best conversations I've ever had started out with an agreement to
disagree. I've even been known to post overly inflammatory points of view
just to get people to THINK. You should have seen some of the messages I
got a while back when I suggested that all of the rigs and drivers should be
rated by their ability and setup.....and that their rating should be used to
determine what trails they could drive on. Was I wrong? Yes. Did I know
it was wrong when I wrote it? Yes. Did it piss people off? Yes. Did it
make people think about driving responsibly and being more realistic about
their abilities? YES. That was the point of the whole exercise......to get
everyone's attention and make them think about the real issue.
In short, don't let the "hate mail" bother you. Being able to express your
ideas and discuss them with others is what makes this a great list. If
everyone agreed with everybody else all the time, it would be boring.
See ya' at the White Tanks cleanup
Len the Subversive Jeeper
(title courtesy of Patrick Chicas of Off-road.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: eandkm@uswest.net
To: Stu Olson
Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] RE: greenies etc.
>Your right Stu, I said I was sorry. Guess I was having a bad
>day, but why is it everyone says they can have their own
>opinions on here but I get hate mail from some of you on
>mine?????? Again, sorry to start a war, forgive me and lets
>go jeepin ok?
>Erin
>
>Stu Olson wrote:
>
>> Not to start a war over postings....but it seems to me
>> there has been runs
>> every single weekend all summer long being posted. I am
>> forever (and I do
>> not mind) deleting
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11921 From: keith - alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 3:20pm
Subject: DELETE BUTTON WORN OUT
when the delete button wears out you can always right click and select delete :)
just trying to help :)
www.alloffroad.com
www.primenet.com/~crusari
www.abusivemotorsports.com
11922 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 11:58pm
Subject: PARTS WERE RECOVERED
I want to thank all of you who spent time either reading or forwarding this
info, the parts were found. I have no words to explain how I feel now, I
still cant believe this kind of things happen, I hope this wont ever happen
to any of you.
Again thanks for your efforts.
Jesus Chio
www.alloffroad.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.D. Nash" <jdlois@j...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 11:48 PM
Subject: PARTS ARE RECOVERED
> I recv'd several phone calls tonight from our thief turned to citizen.
> The last call gave me the location of the parts. They were just down the
> road from me, placed beneath a towel behind a bush. Robert was on duty
> and was able to meet me at the site to cover my back side. We found all
> of the parts and put them in Roberts patrol car. I believe the person
> who dropped them off waited to ensure that I arrived as I saw a green
> Jeep cherokee sport drive away as I pulled up. I have E-mailed the
> person who had the parts and told them that they were in Roberts hands.
>
> I am happy and hope to get my first good nights sleep since last
> Thursday. To me this adds a huge level of closure to this tragedy. The
> only thing left for me to consider is the possible placement of a small
> monument near the scen of the accident. If there is any interest in this
> I would plan it for next spring.
>
> Anyway - I'm safe, the parts are safe and all seems to be gettin' better.
>
> JDN
>
11923 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 0:01am
Subject: Re: PLEASE, WE NEED YOUR HELP
The parts were recovered, thanks!
Jesus Chio
www.alloffroad.com
Free webpages
http://signup.alloffroad.com
My Eb project
www.alloffroad.com/chio
11924 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 22, 2000 7:38pm
Subject: Re: Re: greenies etc.
I thought you were gone....???
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11925 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 4:44am
Subject: Any Runs In the Payson Area
I am planning to head up Payson way Friday for some wheeling but can't seem to find any trail info. I have heard that Fossil Creek or Clear Creek is good but can't find any TR info. Anybody have any suggestions for that area???
Rick
11926 From: <mesa@s...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 4:46am
Subject: greenies and CNN.
Last night I was watching the news on the Western wildfires and the
firefighters were claiming the fires were running hotter and bigger,
reason being the greenies will not let anybody in to thin out the
dead forests area which in turn gives more to burn. Evidently the
firefighter commander was going to bring this up in Washington if I
am remembering correctly to see what could be done to bring in a
happy medium. forests roads?hmm
M.Foster
mesa@s...
11927 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 6:05am
Subject: Re: Group Run
Yep, I would be interested. I had just signed up last year when that run
happened. I'd like to try to make one of these big ones this year.
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
11928 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Group Run
Yup, count me in too. would be fun to meet more people from the group.
ChrisK
> From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:05:09 -0700
> Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Group Run
>
> Yep, I would be interested. I had just signed up last year when that run
> happened. I'd like to try to make one of these big ones this year.
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> President
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11929 From: <jims737@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 2:18am
Subject: Re: Just Chiming in
Thank you Jon I couldn't agree more, look forward to wheeling again with
you.
Jim...
93yj locked and ready.
11930 From: <pvnuc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 2:41am
Subject: Need some help on 94 YJ 4.0 engine problem
I have an electrical problem that I have no answer for, thought maybe one of
you, been there done this before.
The engine runs great 99.9% of the time then when crossing and intersection
or just driving down the road the engine up and quits. No warning, no missing
just dies dead. In some cases I can turn the key off and start it right back
up no problems. The radio and accessories continue to work. It will run for a
day or so and then do it again. Some times it will not start, just crank away
and then 10-20 minutes later work just fine. It has died 3 times just sitting
at a red light, not a great position when the darn thing goes red, and I'm
dead. I spent many hours checking all the wiring for a short, but no luck. I
have an MSD install, but not sure why it would be the problem. So before I
start the replacement witch hunt thought I would throw it out to the group.
Thanks for and thoughts.
Bill
11931 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 6:55am
Subject: Re: Need some help on 94 YJ 4.0 engine problem
Bypass the MSD and see if the problem goes away. I had a similiar
problem with a Jacobs unit. If it still contiunes to do it then you
have at least elimiated one possible cause.
pvnuc@a... wrote:
>
> I have an electrical problem that I have no answer for, thought maybe one of
> you, been there done this before.
> The engine runs great 99.9% of the time then when crossing and intersection
> or just driving down the road the engine up and quits. No warning, no missing
> just dies dead. In some cases I can turn the key off and start it right back
> up no problems. The radio and accessories continue to work. It will run for a
> day or so and then do it again. Some times it will not start, just crank away
> and then 10-20 minutes later work just fine. It has died 3 times just sitting
> at a red light, not a great position when the darn thing goes red, and I'm
> dead. I spent many hours checking all the wiring for a short, but no luck. I
> have an MSD install, but not sure why it would be the problem. So before I
> start the replacement witch hunt thought I would throw it out to the group.
> Thanks for and thoughts.
> Bill
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11932 From: Devon Whitney <a74cj6@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:09am
Subject: Re: greenies etc.
"bonehead...throwing punches" What the hell post were you reading??
I agree 100% that the problem with a group this size is people with
skin that's too thin, and too many people who need to lighten up.
Your first post to the group proves the latter and your "bonehead"
post proves the former.
My first post should have just proven the point that sometimes when
you ask a stupid (off topic) question (selling a lamp in a Jeep
group) you're going to get a stupid answer (how much?). If you still
want to make more out of this than I put in, that's your prerogative.
But know from the source, you're fighting imagined demons. I wasn't
throwing punches, I was using a joke to defend a good group of people
from your unsolicted exit remarks.
I stay in this group because I get a lot more value from it, than it
takes from me by having to press 'delete' or deal with the
name-calling. For example, Jim Langdon helped me replace a throw-out
bearing and pilot bushing which cost him a whole evening, while
saving me about $400. Because of that, I feel I owe this group a
whole lot and will do what I can to help it, and defend it. When, or
if I ever decide to leave because of sniping I'll probably just do it
quietly and get on to other things. Something you were unable to do.
You and everyone else are also correct that there's a lot of wasted
bandwidth but "what" is wasted depends on your point of view and what
a specific persons interests are. We all have the right to our
opinions, and we all have the right to our responses when someone
snipes a group we like on their way out of it.
The End,
Devon
1974 CJ-6
a74cj6@a...
www.5pillars.com/ucan2
www.homestead.com/a74cj6
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, <eandkm@u...> wrote:
> Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going
on out
> there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less
wheeling and more
> and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that
land. I enjoy
> wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my
delete key is
> worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for
that one
> bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately
because
of it.. Ok,
> sorry I apologize to all.............
> Erin
>
> "Chris R." wrote:
>
> > Erin,
> >
> > I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the
good
fight and
> > present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open?
If they
> > close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
> >
> > Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the
"greenies",
knowing
> > we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if
everyone posted
> > something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has
an
opinion
> > that could happen.
> >
> > I don't know where else you would like this information to get to
us. To me
> > approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off
steam
makes
> > clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be
affected
by it. I
> > personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge
envolved to
> > preserve our rights.
> >
> > If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see
anyone want
> > to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope
this has
> > not upset you more, but there is always room for additional
clubs,
maybe for
> > those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the
Ostrich
> > Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land
issues. Just a
> > thought.
> >
> > Good luck whatever your decision.
> >
> > Chris
> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > My1stJeep@e...
> > '97 TJ
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
remains a
> > fool forever."
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@u... wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > << File Attachment Removed: "text/html; charset=us-ascii" >>
> > >
> > > << File Attachment Removed: "image/gif" >>
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _____
> > Say Bye to Slow Internet!
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11933 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 3:18am
Subject: Re: Group Run
It sounds like alot of fun and well needed idea... Id be game for anyone of
the ideas you noted.
Sharky
11934 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:25am
Subject: Re: Re: greenies etc.
Can we drop this. Three days of this is getting a little old. Let's
all get along and get back to Jeeps.
Devon Whitney wrote:
>
> "bonehead...throwing punches" What the hell post were you reading??
>
> I agree 100% that the problem with a group this size is people with
> skin that's too thin, and too many people who need to lighten up.
> Your first post to the group proves the latter and your "bonehead"
> post proves the former.
>
> My first post should have just proven the point that sometimes when
> you ask a stupid (off topic) question (selling a lamp in a Jeep
> group) you're going to get a stupid answer (how much?). If you still
> want to make more out of this than I put in, that's your prerogative.
> But know from the source, you're fighting imagined demons. I wasn't
> throwing punches, I was using a joke to defend a good group of people
> from your unsolicted exit remarks.
>
> I stay in this group because I get a lot more value from it, than it
> takes from me by having to press 'delete' or deal with the
> name-calling. For example, Jim Langdon helped me replace a throw-out
> bearing and pilot bushing which cost him a whole evening, while
> saving me about $400. Because of that, I feel I owe this group a
> whole lot and will do what I can to help it, and defend it. When, or
> if I ever decide to leave because of sniping I'll probably just do it
> quietly and get on to other things. Something you were unable to do.
>
> You and everyone else are also correct that there's a lot of wasted
> bandwidth but "what" is wasted depends on your point of view and what
> a specific persons interests are. We all have the right to our
> opinions, and we all have the right to our responses when someone
> snipes a group we like on their way out of it.
>
> The End,
>
> Devon
> 1974 CJ-6
> a74cj6@a...
> www.5pillars.com/ucan2
> www.homestead.com/a74cj6
>
> --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, <eandkm@u...> wrote:
> > Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going
> on out
> > there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less
> wheeling and more
> > and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that
> land. I enjoy
> > wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my
> delete key is
> > worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for
> that one
> > bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately
> because
> of it.. Ok,
> > sorry I apologize to all.............
> > Erin
> >
> > "Chris R." wrote:
> >
> > > Erin,
> > >
> > > I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the
> good
> fight and
> > > present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open?
> If they
> > > close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
> > >
> > > Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the
> "greenies",
> knowing
> > > we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if
> everyone posted
> > > something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has
> an
> opinion
> > > that could happen.
> > >
> > > I don't know where else you would like this information to get to
> us. To me
> > > approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off
> steam
> makes
> > > clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be
> affected
> by it. I
> > > personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge
> envolved to
> > > preserve our rights.
> > >
> > > If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see
> anyone want
> > > to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope
> this has
> > > not upset you more, but there is always room for additional
> clubs,
> maybe for
> > > those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the
> Ostrich
> > > Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land
> issues. Just a
> > > thought.
> > >
> > > Good luck whatever your decision.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > > My1stJeep@e...
> > > '97 TJ
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
> remains a
> > > fool forever."
> > >
> > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@u... wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > << File Attachment Removed: "text/html; charset=us-ascii" >>
> > > >
> > > > << File Attachment Removed: "image/gif" >>
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________ _____
> > > Say Bye to Slow Internet!
> > > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11935 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:21am
Subject: RE: Need some help on 94 YJ 4.0 engine problem
Check your crankshaft position sensor. It seems I have heard these same
symptoms and that was one of the fixes.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pvnuc@a... [mailto:pvnuc@a...]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 06:41
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Need some help on 94 YJ 4.0 engine problem
>
>
>I have an electrical problem that I have no answer for, thought
>maybe one of
>you, been there done this before.
>The engine runs great 99.9% of the time then when crossing and
>intersection
>or just driving down the road the engine up and quits. No warning,
>no missing
>just dies dead. In some cases I can turn the key off and start it
>right back
>up no problems. The radio and accessories continue to work. It
>will run for a
>day or so and then do it again. Some times it will not start, just
>crank away
>and then 10-20 minutes later work just fine. It has died 3 times
>just sitting
>at a red light, not a great position when the darn thing goes red, and I'm
>dead. I spent many hours checking all the wiring for a short, but
>no luck. I
>have an MSD install, but not sure why it would be the problem. So before I
>start the replacement witch hunt thought I would throw it out to
>the group.
>Thanks for and thoughts.
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
11936 From: Jason Grover <v-jgro@m...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:32am
Subject: Winch repair - WAS: Re: greenies etc.
Agreed!!! Erin apologized (even had a good point about opinions..) and
everyone else has spoken their peace.
So uhh... My winch is leaking oil (don't worry, it's on a Jeep ;) from the
right side, at the seam next to the drum. It's a Ramsey 9500... I have it
off right now to work on my bumper (Had to modify the ARB Bull Bar to get it
to fit, then rust started to show up) And how I noticed the motor on the
left is loose. I can't seem to find a bolt to tighten it up.
Anyone here a winch expert?
Jason (Beating dead horses always makes me tired...)
-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard K. Pennock [mailto:leonardpennock@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:26 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: greenies etc.
Can we drop this. Three days of this is getting a little old. Let's
all get along and get back to Jeeps.
Devon Whitney wrote:
>
> "bonehead...throwing punches" What the hell post were you reading??
>
> I agree 100% that the problem with a group this size is people with
> skin that's too thin, and too many people who need to lighten up.
> Your first post to the group proves the latter and your "bonehead"
> post proves the former.
>
> My first post should have just proven the point that sometimes when
> you ask a stupid (off topic) question (selling a lamp in a Jeep
> group) you're going to get a stupid answer (how much?). If you still
> want to make more out of this than I put in, that's your prerogative.
> But know from the source, you're fighting imagined demons. I wasn't
> throwing punches, I was using a joke to defend a good group of people
> from your unsolicted exit remarks.
>
> I stay in this group because I get a lot more value from it, than it
> takes from me by having to press 'delete' or deal with the
> name-calling. For example, Jim Langdon helped me replace a throw-out
> bearing and pilot bushing which cost him a whole evening, while
> saving me about $400. Because of that, I feel I owe this group a
> whole lot and will do what I can to help it, and defend it. When, or
> if I ever decide to leave because of sniping I'll probably just do it
> quietly and get on to other things. Something you were unable to do.
>
> You and everyone else are also correct that there's a lot of wasted
> bandwidth but "what" is wasted depends on your point of view and what
> a specific persons interests are. We all have the right to our
> opinions, and we all have the right to our responses when someone
> snipes a group we like on their way out of it.
>
> The End,
>
> Devon
> 1974 CJ-6
> a74cj6@a...
> www.5pillars.com/ucan2
> www.homestead.com/a74cj6
>
> --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, <eandkm@u...> wrote:
> > Ok, I see nobody gets my point. I am VERY well aware of whats going
> on out
> > there with my land, but lately it seems there's less and less
> wheeling and more
> > and more whining about what politicians are doing to close that
> land. I enjoy
> > wheeling with this club and have met some great people, but my
> delete key is
> > worn out! Sorry to offend any of you, I don't mean it except for
> that one
> > bonehead....maybe it's just the heat and lack of runs lately
> because
> of it.. Ok,
> > sorry I apologize to all.............
> > Erin
> >
> > "Chris R." wrote:
> >
> > > Erin,
> > >
> > > I am sorry you feel that way. However if we do not fight the
> good
> fight and
> > > present a united front how do you propose we keep the lands open?
> If they
> > > close the lands what alternatives can you give us?
> > >
> > > Yes several of us have blown off steam directed at the
> "greenies",
> knowing
> > > we have an ear here that cares. With around 300 members if
> everyone posted
> > > something that would be alot of posts, and knowing everyone has
> an
> opinion
> > > that could happen.
> > >
> > > I don't know where else you would like this information to get to
> us. To me
> > > approaching the clubs with updates and sometimes blowing off
> steam
> makes
> > > clubs the palce to do it. They are the ones that will be
> affected
> by it. I
> > > personnaly would not belong to any club that did not want to ge
> envolved to
> > > preserve our rights.
> > >
> > > If this is truly not the club for you I am sorry, I hate to see
> anyone want
> > > to leave. I also know you cannot make everyone happy and I hope
> this has
> > > not upset you more, but there is always room for additional
> clubs,
> maybe for
> > > those who don't want to get envolved someone could start up the
> Ostrich
> > > Off-Road Club, Drivers with their heads in the sand on land
> issues. Just a
> > > thought.
> > >
> > > Good luck whatever your decision.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > > My1stJeep@e...
> > > '97 TJ
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
> remains a
> > > fool forever."
> > >
> > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700, eandkm@u... wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > << File Attachment Removed: "text/html; charset=us-ascii" >>
> > > >
> > > > << File Attachment Removed: "image/gif" >>
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________ _____
> > > Say Bye to Slow Internet!
> > > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11937 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Wed Aug 23, 2000 7:51am
Subject: Re: Group Run
Count me in!!!
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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