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11763 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:35pm
Subject: XJ Bull Bar for sale
Howdy all,
My wife and I are considering trading in our XJ for a TJ. The XJ has a nice
aluminum bull bar that I'd rather see go to a good home.
I'm willing to trade the bull bar for $250 + the OEM bumper (needs silver
end caps). I paid ~$600.
George Andrews
'88 XJ
'79 Cherokee WT
Avondale Arizona
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11764 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:36pm
Subject: XJ emission question
The "check emission" light has illuminated in my wife's XJ. I know this is a
timed function to replace various components regardless of their condition.
Does anyone know how to reset the timer?
George Andrews
'88 XJ
'79 Cherokee WT
Avondale Arizona
11765 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:43pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: LU - [Fwd: Arizona land grab]
Another landscape monument to add to Clinton's legacy. Did you know that Babbitt has hinted at running for governor in Az
again?
Linda
PythagoraD@a... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] LU - [Fwd: Arizona land grab]
> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 02:41:03 EDT
> From: PythagoraD@a...
> To: minihummer@w...
>
> Hey All,
> What exactly does this mean for this land, will it be completely closed to
> our use, or will it just be limited? I don't understand the exact
> implications of this. I am always torn between the conservation and the
> unlimted use. I think that we need to form a trusted compromise, and if this
> is really important to us then we better take the actions to not destroy the
> land, but still have fun!!!
> Thanks for any info.
> Dane
> Phx, Az
> 1988 4.0 Ltd
>
> In a message dated 7/28/00 5:15:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> minihummer@w... writes:
>
> << Sad but true I Just heard it on the news today, The Governor wants to give
> 72,000 to 113,000 acres around the Lake pleasant area to the Federal
> Government! I have already called the Governor's office and expressed my
> disdain for such a thing. I would highly reccommend taking a minute of your
> time and giving her a call to express the same. Gov. Hull can be reached at
> (602) 542-4331 Or e-mailed at <A
> HREF="http://www.governor.state.az.us/feedback.html">http://www.governor.state
> .az.us/feedback.html</A>.
>
> Here's a link to the news story: www.azcentral.com/news/0728monument.shtml
>
> Get the word out, If enough people let her know this is not the path to
> re-election she might make a reasonable decision with OUR land.
> >>
11766 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:47pm
Subject: Re: XJ emission question
This usually means that the O2 sensor needs to be replaced. The dealerships
will charge a minimum 1 hour's labor. Their suggestion to me was to disconnect
the light or put a piece of electrical tape over it.
Hope that helps
Linda
George Andrews wrote:
> The "check emission" light has illuminated in my wife's XJ. I know this is a
> timed function to replace various components regardless of their condition.
> Does anyone know how to reset the timer?
>
> George Andrews
> '88 XJ
> '79 Cherokee WT
> Avondale Arizona
>
>
11767 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 11:30am
Subject: opinions wanted - hood vents
Hi all
In the never ending quest for a cool running trail rig, I'd like to hear the
group opinion on hood vents. My present cooling system (19" flex fan with
shroud and 4 core radiator, plus a 14" electric pusher fan) works great
around town or on the highway, but during a slow summer crawl my engine temp
still starts pushing up towards 200 degrees. The electric fan helps quite a
bit, but I'd still like to see some cooler temps under the hood. Normal
operating temp for my truck (with a 180 deg thermostat) is around 185 to 190
in town, so I'm not too far away from that with my 200 degree trail temps.
I was thinking that it might help if I added some form of vents in the
ood - either louvers ( a la George Andrews ), some of the plastic vent
inserts available on mid 90's Trans Ams, or even just some holes cut in the
hood with some expanded metal 'screening' welded in the middle. The theory
is that by allowing more of the under hood heat to escape out through the
top of the hood it will help the cooling system to work better and keep the
engine cooler.
Does this sound like it might work? Any comments on the amount of heat that
escaped through the louvers in Big Orange's hood George? Has anyone else
tried this? I've seen references on alloffroad.com to folks running early
bronco's without their hoods to help with overheating problems on the trail.
I have 3 hoods for my truck, so I could easily have a 'summer' hood (with
vents) and a 'winter' hood (without vents). One of my spares is dented and
has some rust holes in it, so it would be a good candidate for a test piece.
Unless someone comes back with some negative experiences, I'm going to use a
hole saw to 'customize' (mutilate?) the dented/rusted hood and try it out
on the White Tanks cleanup run. If it does make a positive difference, then
I'll set up my other spare hood with some nice looking vents for summertime
use.
Questions? Comments? Derogatory remarks?
Len
'78 J-10
11768 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 10:25pm
Subject: Dana 44 Open Carrier
Does anyone by chance have an open dana 44 carrier for over 3.73 gears.
Just wondering if anyone had 4.56 gears and then put in a detroit so has an
open carrier laying around.
Thanks.
Pete
11769 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 10:26pm
Subject: Full Cage for TJ
I just finished up my cage tonight. Tomorrow will be finishing the full
welds from where it is now tacked. I'll take some digital pictures of it
tomorrow and post them on my web site.
Pete
11770 From: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 11:16pm
Subject: RE: Sean's Jeep TJ for sale!! Rockcrawling at it's finest
Sparky,
I did a lot of 4 wheeling with Sean and I was with him when he had the
wreck. I will give you an honest opinion of the condition of his Jeep.
The wreck damaged the hood, fenders and some of the front suspension. The
hood and fenders were replaced and he replaced the entire suspension kit
with a new RE. I know this because I bought some of his old parts. His old
RE springs are on my Jeep now. He replaced the entire front running gear
with a Dana 44 high pinion kit from Curie. Sean was not one for taking any
shortcuts with the quality of parts for his Jeep. In my opinion, this was
not the kind of a wreck that would do any hidden damage. The repaired Jeep
is a better machine than before the wreck.
As for his wheeling style, I have to disagree with you there also. I have
been 4 wheeling about 3 years. I think I have enough experience to judge
different driving styles. Sean did not beat it to hell when he was 4
wheeling. His driving style was more cautious than most and in my opinion, a
very good driver. His Jeep has an automatic transmission and he was able to
keep it under control better than most of us. He ran some of the tough
trails, but he handled them as carefully as anyone could, the Jeep does not
have a scratch on it. He definitely did not "beat it to hell". The last time
I saw it, the only blemish to his Jeep was his front fenders. He cut them
off to allow maximum clearance for the tires. He may have replaced the
bobbed off fenders, that's something a buyer should find out about. Sean was
in the Jeep upgrade business, he knows what he is doing. You saw the list of
upgrades, about the only thing you could add is a 4 to 1 transfer case.
Sean is my friend, and you may think I am biased, but in my honest opinion,
I think his Jeep is in excellent condition and well worth the price he is
asking.
-----Original Message-----
From: Leah Eliscu [mailto:jeep@a...]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 3:28 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sean's Jeep TJ for sale!! Rockcrawling at it's
finest
Sheesh, that was pretty harsh on 'ol Sean.
Of course you NEVER take your TJ out and
beat it a little. ;-) Don't forget I was under it once.
Leah
>forgot a few parts on description: been in bad wreck and beat to hell
>whenever sean four-wheeled.
>jake
>99 tj "sparky"
>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
>
11771 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 5:47am
Subject: TR 8/18 ZJ removal report
Good turnout Friday nite for the work run. In attendance were
Bob Trenton
Mike Anderson
Jeff Meade
Eric ?
Keith Auble
If I missed anyone, I'm sorry.
Bob met me at the trailhead and we transferred some gear over to his
Jeep. and went in the front way. While we were setting up, Jeff showed up.
This is where all the breakage begins. His clutch linkage bent, but he was
able to make it work. Next 3 Jeeps on the trail, next 3 Jeeps break. Mike
Launches his rear coil spring like something out of a Loony Tunes cartoon.
He also tears his shock off in the process. Eric rips the Pass. side control
arm axle bracket off the housing, and Keith completely Tacos his Tie rod.
All within the first 3 obstacles. All before 9:00PM.
I stick to the plan of cutting up the ZJ. we all manage to get the axle cut
out, engine cut out and what's left of the body cut in half. I go back to
Mike's Jeep, we all come up with a plan to fix it. Since the Left front is
approx 3' off the ground, we decide to tie the spring in with wire to hold
it in place and winch it forward until the suspension settles. We used the
winch for better control of vehicle movement, and the wire is so no one's
little piggies get smashed. With the coil in place, we beat the Smithereens
out of the shock pin on a rock until it reasonably straight, then re-attach
it to the mount. Now that he is going, I send him up to the ZJ to clear the
trail of all the parts. I work my way back to Eric and weld the mount back
to his axle, after he beats it reasonably straight. We decide to continue
running the trail, and we will come back in at the front to get Keith's Jeep
fixed and out. We load up and start moving out. All went well until the
crack about 100yds from the exit. My Turn!!
I succeed in pulling the threads off of every nut holding my spindle to
the steering knuckle, snapping at least half of the studs off, fragging the
inner hub bearing and one cap on the axle u-joint! Now that's cool breakage!
We get it jacked up in the crack, (that sounds funny) everything taken
apart, and figure out what we need to fix it. We decided to leave Keith
there to camp with the Jeeps. Eric would run his GF home. Mike would give me
a ride back to my house, where we both would sleep, then round up parts and
meet back up there. This is at 3:00 AM. Back at house at 5:00am. Sleep until
9:00am. Grab spare spindle from parts pile. No studs or nuts, We try
Checker, no luck there, decide to cut our time as it's getting hotter as the
day wears on, we take the front-end of Ross' Jeep apart, and scavenge it for
parts. We call Ross. ( AFTER we were done raping his Jeep!!) Bad news for
him, we are using his stuff, Good news, I hafta replace his stuff! We go
back up to the parking lot, meet with Eric and head back to the trail with
Sausage muffin breakfast for Keith. We get the Jeep fixed, under the shade
of a tarp, and a light breeze blowing, and we are moving again. That is,
until the rocks claim a sidewall on Mike's front right tire. We Change the
tire. We head to Keith's Jeep, get it out, and then go back up to the
parking lot load up and go home. 24 hour ordeal, finally done......Until
next Friday.......
Anybody wanna break something??
I left out all the fun that was had along the way, because this is
supposed to be a trip report, not a book!
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
11772 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 6:21am
Subject: Fw: XJ emission question
Cool....what does the timer box look like? Does disconnecting the timer box
reset the timer or merely disable the alarm?
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
To: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] XJ emission question
>If it is an 88 then there is a timer box under the dash you just
>disconnect.
>
>
>George Andrews wrote:
>>
>> The "check emission" light has illuminated in my wife's XJ. I know this
is a
>> timed function to replace various components regardless of their
condition.
>> Does anyone know how to reset the timer?
>>
>> George Andrews
>> '88 XJ
>> '79 Cherokee WT
>> Avondale Arizona
>>
>>
>
>--
>Leonard K. Pennock
>
>Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
>find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
11773 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 6:22am
Subject: Re: opinions wanted - hood vents
Len,
The hood vents I had on my Cherokee did squat for the cooling.......but they
did look cool. I suggest a high flow water pump (FlowKooler) and/or a more
efficient radiator.
George Andrews
'88 XJ
'79 Cherokee WT
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:45 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] opinions wanted - hood vents
>Hi all
>
>In the never ending quest for a cool running trail rig, I'd like to hear
the
>group opinion on hood vents. My present cooling system (19" flex fan with
>shroud and 4 core radiator, plus a 14" electric pusher fan) works great
>around town or on the highway, but during a slow summer crawl my engine
temp
>still starts pushing up towards 200 degrees. The electric fan helps quite
a
>bit, but I'd still like to see some cooler temps under the hood. Normal
>operating temp for my truck (with a 180 deg thermostat) is around 185 to
190
>in town, so I'm not too far away from that with my 200 degree trail temps.
>I was thinking that it might help if I added some form of vents in the
>ood - either louvers ( a la George Andrews ), some of the plastic vent
>inserts available on mid 90's Trans Ams, or even just some holes cut in the
>hood with some expanded metal 'screening' welded in the middle. The
theory
>is that by allowing more of the under hood heat to escape out through the
>top of the hood it will help the cooling system to work better and keep the
>engine cooler.
>
>Does this sound like it might work? Any comments on the amount of heat
that
>escaped through the louvers in Big Orange's hood George? Has anyone else
>tried this? I've seen references on alloffroad.com to folks running early
>bronco's without their hoods to help with overheating problems on the
trail.
>
>I have 3 hoods for my truck, so I could easily have a 'summer' hood (with
>vents) and a 'winter' hood (without vents). One of my spares is dented and
>has some rust holes in it, so it would be a good candidate for a test
piece.
>Unless someone comes back with some negative experiences, I'm going to use
a
>hole saw to 'customize' (mutilate?) the dented/rusted hood and try it out
>on the White Tanks cleanup run. If it does make a positive difference,
then
>I'll set up my other spare hood with some nice looking vents for summertime
>use.
>
>Questions? Comments? Derogatory remarks?
>
>Len
>'78 J-10
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11774 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 2:45am
Subject: 9-22-2000 Jawbreaker Night Run
Members of the Casa Grande Four Wheelers will be leading a run up Jawbreaker
Friday night September 22. This run debuted at last years jamboree, and is
one of Arizona's newest hard-core trails. It is rated at a 4 or 4+, a night
run will surely make it a solid 4+. It is located in the same wash that runs
through Martinez Canyon. Recent rains are rumored to have "modified" some of
the more interesting obstacles. This is not a good trail for spectators as
it would require a lot of walking to get you back to your vehicle. Lockers
and a good lift are required on this one. A meeting place and start time have
not been set yet, it will depend on the number of people attending, however
we would like to be at the trail head by dark. If you are interested in
running this trail with us please let us know so we can start a list. I'd
like to keep it at no more than 15 vehicles.
11775 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 7:45am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
I'd call that person crazy, since they'd trash their Jeep trying to take it on trails it's not built for. It also would likely result in many altered obstacles.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: Tim Naylor ; Rick Hall ; az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Geez...you have it wrong Tim, all wrong.
You said "... if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!"
I disagree completely....if one brings a 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tire, Utah legal rig to one of the above mentioned trails, that person is ONE HELL OF AN IMPRESSIVE DRIVER! Anyone running a rig like that on any one of these trails deserves everyone's respect and admiration! Driving a 6" lift with 37" tires on those trails is the WEENIE way out. ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:07 PM
To: Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I would like to offer my most humble apologies to anyone I may have offended. I should have realized that there might be sensitive people that may be hurt by derogatory remarks aimed at their choice of upgrades for their Jeep. I realize that not everyone delights in torturing their rig by forcing up impossible cliffs and over unforgiving boulders. Not everyone wants to hear the clunks, skweeks and groans the Jeep makes as the frame is twisted, the tires are brutalized and the tie rods smashes into a rock. Some would rather give their rig the respect it deserves and treat it with gentleness and care on pavement and fine gravel roads. I know that some suffer great remorse over each small dent or blemish caused by an unfortunate off road incident. We should all respect the feelings and sensitivities of others, and again, I apologize for any hurt feelings I may have caused by my thoughtless remarks.
I would like to add, however, that if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hall [mailto:rnhall@att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:10 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the group.
11776 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 8:41am
Subject: Re: opinions wanted - hood vents
After watching the ZJ's water temp gauge get really close to the red line three
summers in a row I finally decided not to do much desert 4-wheeling in the
summer time -- particularly during the day! That solved my over heating
problem! Actually, I decided that summer was a good time for repairs and
modifications since the Az has great desert 4-wheeling weather from October to
June. I'd rather be out in the desert than cooped up in the barn when the
weather is nice.
Linda
George Andrews wrote:
> Len,
>
> The hood vents I had on my Cherokee did squat for the cooling.......but they
> did look cool. I suggest a high flow water pump (FlowKooler) and/or a more
> efficient radiator.
>
> George Andrews
> '88 XJ
> '79 Cherokee WT
> Avondale Arizona
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:45 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] opinions wanted - hood vents
>
> >Hi all
> >
> >In the never ending quest for a cool running trail rig, I'd like to hear
> the
> >group opinion on hood vents. My present cooling system (19" flex fan with
> >shroud and 4 core radiator, plus a 14" electric pusher fan) works great
> >around town or on the highway, but during a slow summer crawl my engine
> temp
> >still starts pushing up towards 200 degrees. The electric fan helps quite
> a
> >bit, but I'd still like to see some cooler temps under the hood. Normal
> >operating temp for my truck (with a 180 deg thermostat) is around 185 to
> 190
> >in town, so I'm not too far away from that with my 200 degree trail temps.
> >I was thinking that it might help if I added some form of vents in the
> >ood - either louvers ( a la George Andrews ), some of the plastic vent
> >inserts available on mid 90's Trans Ams, or even just some holes cut in the
> >hood with some expanded metal 'screening' welded in the middle. The
> theory
> >is that by allowing more of the under hood heat to escape out through the
> >top of the hood it will help the cooling system to work better and keep the
> >engine cooler.
> >
> >Does this sound like it might work? Any comments on the amount of heat
> that
> >escaped through the louvers in Big Orange's hood George? Has anyone else
> >tried this? I've seen references on alloffroad.com to folks running early
> >bronco's without their hoods to help with overheating problems on the
> trail.
> >
> >I have 3 hoods for my truck, so I could easily have a 'summer' hood (with
> >vents) and a 'winter' hood (without vents). One of my spares is dented and
> >has some rust holes in it, so it would be a good candidate for a test
> piece.
> >Unless someone comes back with some negative experiences, I'm going to use
> a
> >hole saw to 'customize' (mutilate?) the dented/rusted hood and try it out
> >on the White Tanks cleanup run. If it does make a positive difference,
> then
> >I'll set up my other spare hood with some nice looking vents for summertime
> >use.
> >
> >Questions? Comments? Derogatory remarks?
> >
> >Len
> >'78 J-10
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
11777 From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 8:49am
Subject: Re: TR 8/18 ZJ removal report
Bill --
As you were working on the vehicles at the back, Mike pulled the
trans/tcase from the engine and I helped winch the parts out of the
trail. We left the 'parts pile' just as you arrived (~ 2:30am). I
drove out and found out why my clutch linkage was falling apart; my
tranny mount was broken and under torque the trans/tcase would slide
sideways enough to dump the linkage apart. No prob now, as I will be
ordering all parts necessary for hung pedals and clutch slave
cylinder from Speedway. I was able to get out to the road and baby
it back to the trailer without more problems. I'll let you know
about next Friday once the week progresses.
Jeff
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "William Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> Good turnout Friday nite for the work run. In attendance were
> Bob Trenton
> Mike Anderson
> Jeff Meade
> Eric ?
> Keith Auble
> If I missed anyone, I'm sorry.
> Bob met me at the trailhead and we transferred some gear over
to his
> Jeep. and went in the front way. While we were setting up, Jeff
showed up.
> This is where all the breakage begins. His clutch linkage bent, but
he was
> able to make it work. Next 3 Jeeps on the trail, next 3 Jeeps
break. Mike
> Launches his rear coil spring like something out of a Loony Tunes
cartoon.
> He also tears his shock off in the process. Eric rips the Pass.
side control
> arm axle bracket off the housing, and Keith completely Tacos his
Tie rod.
> All within the first 3 obstacles. All before 9:00PM.
> I stick to the plan of cutting up the ZJ. we all manage to get the
axle cut
> out, engine cut out and what's left of the body cut in half. I go
back to
> Mike's Jeep, we all come up with a plan to fix it. Since the Left
front is
> approx 3' off the ground, we decide to tie the spring in with wire
to hold
> it in place and winch it forward until the suspension settles. We
used the
> winch for better control of vehicle movement, and the wire is so no
one's
> little piggies get smashed. With the coil in place, we beat the
Smithereens
> out of the shock pin on a rock until it reasonably straight, then
re-attach
> it to the mount. Now that he is going, I send him up to the ZJ to
clear the
> trail of all the parts. I work my way back to Eric and weld the
mount back
> to his axle, after he beats it reasonably straight. We decide to
continue
> running the trail, and we will come back in at the front to get
Keith's Jeep
> fixed and out. We load up and start moving out. All went well until
the
> crack about 100yds from the exit. My Turn!!
> I succeed in pulling the threads off of every nut holding my
spindle to
> the steering knuckle, snapping at least half of the studs off,
fragging the
> inner hub bearing and one cap on the axle u-joint! Now that's cool
breakage!
> We get it jacked up in the crack, (that sounds funny) everything
taken
> apart, and figure out what we need to fix it. We decided to leave
Keith
> there to camp with the Jeeps. Eric would run his GF home. Mike
would give me
> a ride back to my house, where we both would sleep, then round up
parts and
> meet back up there. This is at 3:00 AM. Back at house at 5:00am.
Sleep until
> 9:00am. Grab spare spindle from parts pile. No studs or nuts, We try
> Checker, no luck there, decide to cut our time as it's getting
hotter as the
> day wears on, we take the front-end of Ross' Jeep apart, and
scavenge it for
> parts. We call Ross. ( AFTER we were done raping his Jeep!!) Bad
news for
> him, we are using his stuff, Good news, I hafta replace his stuff!
We go
> back up to the parking lot, meet with Eric and head back to the
trail with
> Sausage muffin breakfast for Keith. We get the Jeep fixed, under
the shade
> of a tarp, and a light breeze blowing, and we are moving again.
That is,
> until the rocks claim a sidewall on Mike's front right tire. We
Change the
> tire. We head to Keith's Jeep, get it out, and then go back up to
the
> parking lot load up and go home. 24 hour ordeal, finally
done......Until
> next Friday.......
>
> Anybody wanna break something??
>
> I left out all the fun that was had along the way, because this
is
> supposed to be a trip report, not a book!
>
> Bill Mish
> Yldkat
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> http://drive.to/yldkat55
11778 From: Chatfield, Mike <mchat@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 10:28am
Subject: Wilson Mountain Fire
"WILSON MOUNTAIN FIRE
"A fire ignited by lightning has spread and burned about 70 acres today on
Wilson Mountain near Sedona. Since the site is within the Red Rock Secret
Wilderness Area, firefighters have had to use methods that have relatively
lower impact on the environment. Also hampering efforts to control the blaze
is the remote location. Firefighters have hiked five miles uphill to reach
the flames because there are no roads." - KNXV Channel 15
Gee I'm so glad the Greenies think turning everything into a Wilderness area
is the answer.
11779 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 11:12am
Subject: Re: Wilson Mountain Fire
There were fires recently near my hometown of Alpine, Utah. The fire was in
a wilderness area, and firefighters were trying to contain it before it
threatened homes nearby. To reach the fire, they planned on grading a
pre-existing road. Well, a group of environmentalists showed up and
attempted to block firefighting equipment from grading the road and gaining
access to the fire.
This type of absurd behavior just baffles me... First of all, had the roads
been kept open, firefighters would have had easy access to the fire. But
what really takes the cake is that the greenies would rather see the entire
moutainside (along with many homes) burned than to let firefighters with
their motorized equipment into the area... They are idiots, and they all
need to be hit on the head with a tack hammer.
darren
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike <mchat@h...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:28 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
> "WILSON MOUNTAIN FIRE
>
> "A fire ignited by lightning has spread and burned about 70 acres today on
> Wilson Mountain near Sedona. Since the site is within the Red Rock Secret
> Wilderness Area, firefighters have had to use methods that have relatively
> lower impact on the environment. Also hampering efforts to control the
blaze
> is the remote location. Firefighters have hiked five miles uphill to reach
> the flames because there are no roads." - KNXV Channel 15
>
> Gee I'm so glad the Greenies think turning everything into a Wilderness
area
> is the answer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11780 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 0:26pm
Subject: Re: carrier
Get a bigger pry bar. One about 3 feet long should suffice! :-)) I've heard of
people actually hanging the entire axle from the ceiling by the carrier and then
banging the crap out of the unit. Like, two people (each grab a side) they lift
it up and let the whole thing drop. BANG! Comes out. Those suckers are
usually really jamed in there. I remember I used a 3 foot long crow bar and
pushed with about everything my little 160lb body had and just barely got it
loose. Keep pushing!!!!1
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
Toybox Off-Road
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
11781 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 0:29pm
Subject: Re: Spring over help
When I do spring overs, I like to see caster in the 5-6 degree range.
Less seems to make it squirrely. We've done a few, so if you have any
more questions with this type of install, just shoot me an email.
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
Toybox Off-Road
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
11782 From: Bob Nyberg <rcjd50@e...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 1:33pm
Subject: Re: carrier
I removed a Dana 30 and AMC 20 from mine and could not get them to move
at first but found that if I put a pry bar at both top and bottom at the
same time they slid right out.
Bob
Jay Eller wrote:
>
> Get a bigger pry bar. One about 3 feet long should suffice! :-)) I've heard of
> people actually hanging the entire axle from the ceiling by the carrier and then
>
> banging the crap out of the unit. Like, two people (each grab a side) they lift
>
> it up and let the whole thing drop. BANG! Comes out. Those suckers are
> usually really jamed in there. I remember I used a 3 foot long crow bar and
> pushed with about everything my little 160lb body had and just barely got it
> loose. Keep pushing!!!!1
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> President
> Toybox Off-Road
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
11783 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 2:31pm
Subject: RE: Wilson Mountain Fire
A tack hammer? Awe come one......how about the handle from a HI-Lift! It
still probably won't get the message across but YOU will feel much better
for trying! LOL!
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Richards [mailto:darren.richards@h...]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 11:12 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
There were fires recently near my hometown of Alpine, Utah. The fire was in
a wilderness area, and firefighters were trying to contain it before it
threatened homes nearby. To reach the fire, they planned on grading a
pre-existing road. Well, a group of environmentalists showed up and
attempted to block firefighting equipment from grading the road and gaining
access to the fire.
This type of absurd behavior just baffles me... First of all, had the roads
been kept open, firefighters would have had easy access to the fire. But
what really takes the cake is that the greenies would rather see the entire
moutainside (along with many homes) burned than to let firefighters with
their motorized equipment into the area... They are idiots, and they all
need to be hit on the head with a tack hammer.
darren
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike <mchat@h...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:28 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
> "WILSON MOUNTAIN FIRE
>
> "A fire ignited by lightning has spread and burned about 70 acres today on
> Wilson Mountain near Sedona. Since the site is within the Red Rock Secret
> Wilderness Area, firefighters have had to use methods that have relatively
> lower impact on the environment. Also hampering efforts to control the
blaze
> is the remote location. Firefighters have hiked five miles uphill to reach
> the flames because there are no roads." - KNXV Channel 15
>
> Gee I'm so glad the Greenies think turning everything into a Wilderness
area
> is the answer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11784 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 2:42pm
Subject: Re: In need of transmission...
Funny, I posted this last week, and it just now showed up?
Hmmm...
----------
> From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] In need of transmission...
> Date: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:57 AM
>
>
> I am sure everyone has about 10-15 of my postings related to Jeep
> transmissions, more specifically the Peugot B/A-10. It is now time for
the
> transmission to be put to rest, and I have to consider some options.
Does
> anyone have a lead on a useable NP435 or a Ford T-18, preferrably with a
> transfer case? Or does anyone have any better ideas?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
11785 From: Mike & Anita Chatfield <mchat@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 4:38pm
Subject: Re: Wilson Mountain Fire
Just a tack hammer? I think a 20# sledge is more in order, unless
someone has access to a wrecking ball...
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Darren Richards" <darren.richards@h...>
> ...greenies would rather see the entire moutainside (along with
> many homes) burned than to let firefighters with their motorized
> equipment into the area... They are idiots, and they all need to
> be hit on the head with a tack hammer.
11786 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 0:41pm
Subject: Fwd: 9-22-2000 Jawbreaker Night Run
From: Flatfenderman@a...
Full-name: Flatfenderman
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:35:24 EDT
Subject: Fwd: 9-22-2000 Jawbreaker Night Run
To: az-vjc@e...
From: Flatfenderman@a...
Full-name: Flatfenderman
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:45:51 EDT
Subject: 9-22-2000 Jawbreaker Night Run
To: az_vjc@e...
Members of the Casa Grande Four Wheelers will be leading a run up Jawbreaker
Friday night September 22. This run debuted at last years jamboree, and is
one of Arizona's newest hard-core trails. It is rated at a 4 or 4+, a night
run will surely make it a solid 4+. It is located in the same wash that runs
through Martinez Canyon. Recent rains are rumored to have "modified" some of
the more interesting obstacles. This is not a good trail for spectators as
it would require a lot of walking to get you back to your vehicle. Lockers
and a good lift are required on this one. A meeting place and start time have
not been set yet, it will depend on the number of people attending, however
we would like to be at the trail head by dark. If you are interested in
running this trail with us please let us know so we can start a list. I'd
like to keep it at no more than 15 vehicles.
11787 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 4:50pm
Subject: Re: Wilson Mountain Fire
This story did have a good ending... Accourding to the account I read, the
driver of the road grader just started up his rig, put it in gear, and
headed towards the group of environmental wackos that were trying to block
the road. Unfortunately they all scrambled to safety before becoming part
of the road.
darren
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
To: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
> A tack hammer? Awe come one......how about the handle from a HI-Lift! It
> still probably won't get the message across but YOU will feel much better
> for trying! LOL!
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>
> http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Richards [mailto:darren.richards@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 11:12 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
>
>
> There were fires recently near my hometown of Alpine, Utah. The fire was
in
> a wilderness area, and firefighters were trying to contain it before it
> threatened homes nearby. To reach the fire, they planned on grading a
> pre-existing road. Well, a group of environmentalists showed up and
> attempted to block firefighting equipment from grading the road and
gaining
> access to the fire.
>
> This type of absurd behavior just baffles me... First of all, had the
roads
> been kept open, firefighters would have had easy access to the fire. But
> what really takes the cake is that the greenies would rather see the
entire
> moutainside (along with many homes) burned than to let firefighters with
> their motorized equipment into the area... They are idiots, and they all
> need to be hit on the head with a tack hammer.
>
> darren
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chatfield, Mike <mchat@h...>
> To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:28 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
>
>
> > "WILSON MOUNTAIN FIRE
> >
> > "A fire ignited by lightning has spread and burned about 70 acres today
on
> > Wilson Mountain near Sedona. Since the site is within the Red Rock
Secret
> > Wilderness Area, firefighters have had to use methods that have
relatively
> > lower impact on the environment. Also hampering efforts to control the
> blaze
> > is the remote location. Firefighters have hiked five miles uphill to
reach
> > the flames because there are no roads." - KNXV Channel 15
> >
> > Gee I'm so glad the Greenies think turning everything into a Wilderness
> area
> > is the answer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11763 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:35pm
Subject: XJ Bull Bar for sale
Howdy all,
My wife and I are considering trading in our XJ for a TJ. The XJ has a nice
aluminum bull bar that I'd rather see go to a good home.
I'm willing to trade the bull bar for $250 + the OEM bumper (needs silver
end caps). I paid ~$600.
George Andrews
'88 XJ
'79 Cherokee WT
Avondale Arizona
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT
11764 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:36pm
Subject: XJ emission question
The "check emission" light has illuminated in my wife's XJ. I know this is a
timed function to replace various components regardless of their condition.
Does anyone know how to reset the timer?
George Andrews
'88 XJ
'79 Cherokee WT
Avondale Arizona
11765 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:43pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: LU - [Fwd: Arizona land grab]
Another landscape monument to add to Clinton's legacy. Did you know that Babbitt has hinted at running for governor in Az
again?
Linda
PythagoraD@a... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] LU - [Fwd: Arizona land grab]
> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 02:41:03 EDT
> From: PythagoraD@a...
> To: minihummer@w...
>
> Hey All,
> What exactly does this mean for this land, will it be completely closed to
> our use, or will it just be limited? I don't understand the exact
> implications of this. I am always torn between the conservation and the
> unlimted use. I think that we need to form a trusted compromise, and if this
> is really important to us then we better take the actions to not destroy the
> land, but still have fun!!!
> Thanks for any info.
> Dane
> Phx, Az
> 1988 4.0 Ltd
>
> In a message dated 7/28/00 5:15:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> minihummer@w... writes:
>
> << Sad but true I Just heard it on the news today, The Governor wants to give
> 72,000 to 113,000 acres around the Lake pleasant area to the Federal
> Government! I have already called the Governor's office and expressed my
> disdain for such a thing. I would highly reccommend taking a minute of your
> time and giving her a call to express the same. Gov. Hull can be reached at
> (602) 542-4331 Or e-mailed at <A
> HREF="http://www.governor.state.az.us/feedback.html">http://www.governor.state
> .az.us/feedback.html</A>.
>
> Here's a link to the news story: www.azcentral.com/news/0728monument.shtml
>
> Get the word out, If enough people let her know this is not the path to
> re-election she might make a reasonable decision with OUR land.
> >>
11766 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:47pm
Subject: Re: XJ emission question
This usually means that the O2 sensor needs to be replaced. The dealerships
will charge a minimum 1 hour's labor. Their suggestion to me was to disconnect
the light or put a piece of electrical tape over it.
Hope that helps
Linda
George Andrews wrote:
> The "check emission" light has illuminated in my wife's XJ. I know this is a
> timed function to replace various components regardless of their condition.
> Does anyone know how to reset the timer?
>
> George Andrews
> '88 XJ
> '79 Cherokee WT
> Avondale Arizona
>
>
11767 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 11:30am
Subject: opinions wanted - hood vents
Hi all
In the never ending quest for a cool running trail rig, I'd like to hear the
group opinion on hood vents. My present cooling system (19" flex fan with
shroud and 4 core radiator, plus a 14" electric pusher fan) works great
around town or on the highway, but during a slow summer crawl my engine temp
still starts pushing up towards 200 degrees. The electric fan helps quite a
bit, but I'd still like to see some cooler temps under the hood. Normal
operating temp for my truck (with a 180 deg thermostat) is around 185 to 190
in town, so I'm not too far away from that with my 200 degree trail temps.
I was thinking that it might help if I added some form of vents in the
ood - either louvers ( a la George Andrews ), some of the plastic vent
inserts available on mid 90's Trans Ams, or even just some holes cut in the
hood with some expanded metal 'screening' welded in the middle. The theory
is that by allowing more of the under hood heat to escape out through the
top of the hood it will help the cooling system to work better and keep the
engine cooler.
Does this sound like it might work? Any comments on the amount of heat that
escaped through the louvers in Big Orange's hood George? Has anyone else
tried this? I've seen references on alloffroad.com to folks running early
bronco's without their hoods to help with overheating problems on the trail.
I have 3 hoods for my truck, so I could easily have a 'summer' hood (with
vents) and a 'winter' hood (without vents). One of my spares is dented and
has some rust holes in it, so it would be a good candidate for a test piece.
Unless someone comes back with some negative experiences, I'm going to use a
hole saw to 'customize' (mutilate?) the dented/rusted hood and try it out
on the White Tanks cleanup run. If it does make a positive difference, then
I'll set up my other spare hood with some nice looking vents for summertime
use.
Questions? Comments? Derogatory remarks?
Len
'78 J-10
11768 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 10:25pm
Subject: Dana 44 Open Carrier
Does anyone by chance have an open dana 44 carrier for over 3.73 gears.
Just wondering if anyone had 4.56 gears and then put in a detroit so has an
open carrier laying around.
Thanks.
Pete
11769 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 10:26pm
Subject: Full Cage for TJ
I just finished up my cage tonight. Tomorrow will be finishing the full
welds from where it is now tacked. I'll take some digital pictures of it
tomorrow and post them on my web site.
Pete
11770 From: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 11:16pm
Subject: RE: Sean's Jeep TJ for sale!! Rockcrawling at it's finest
Sparky,
I did a lot of 4 wheeling with Sean and I was with him when he had the
wreck. I will give you an honest opinion of the condition of his Jeep.
The wreck damaged the hood, fenders and some of the front suspension. The
hood and fenders were replaced and he replaced the entire suspension kit
with a new RE. I know this because I bought some of his old parts. His old
RE springs are on my Jeep now. He replaced the entire front running gear
with a Dana 44 high pinion kit from Curie. Sean was not one for taking any
shortcuts with the quality of parts for his Jeep. In my opinion, this was
not the kind of a wreck that would do any hidden damage. The repaired Jeep
is a better machine than before the wreck.
As for his wheeling style, I have to disagree with you there also. I have
been 4 wheeling about 3 years. I think I have enough experience to judge
different driving styles. Sean did not beat it to hell when he was 4
wheeling. His driving style was more cautious than most and in my opinion, a
very good driver. His Jeep has an automatic transmission and he was able to
keep it under control better than most of us. He ran some of the tough
trails, but he handled them as carefully as anyone could, the Jeep does not
have a scratch on it. He definitely did not "beat it to hell". The last time
I saw it, the only blemish to his Jeep was his front fenders. He cut them
off to allow maximum clearance for the tires. He may have replaced the
bobbed off fenders, that's something a buyer should find out about. Sean was
in the Jeep upgrade business, he knows what he is doing. You saw the list of
upgrades, about the only thing you could add is a 4 to 1 transfer case.
Sean is my friend, and you may think I am biased, but in my honest opinion,
I think his Jeep is in excellent condition and well worth the price he is
asking.
-----Original Message-----
From: Leah Eliscu [mailto:jeep@a...]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 3:28 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Sean's Jeep TJ for sale!! Rockcrawling at it's
finest
Sheesh, that was pretty harsh on 'ol Sean.
Of course you NEVER take your TJ out and
beat it a little. ;-) Don't forget I was under it once.
Leah
>forgot a few parts on description: been in bad wreck and beat to hell
>whenever sean four-wheeled.
>jake
>99 tj "sparky"
>__________________________________________________ ______________________
>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
>
11771 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 5:47am
Subject: TR 8/18 ZJ removal report
Good turnout Friday nite for the work run. In attendance were
Bob Trenton
Mike Anderson
Jeff Meade
Eric ?
Keith Auble
If I missed anyone, I'm sorry.
Bob met me at the trailhead and we transferred some gear over to his
Jeep. and went in the front way. While we were setting up, Jeff showed up.
This is where all the breakage begins. His clutch linkage bent, but he was
able to make it work. Next 3 Jeeps on the trail, next 3 Jeeps break. Mike
Launches his rear coil spring like something out of a Loony Tunes cartoon.
He also tears his shock off in the process. Eric rips the Pass. side control
arm axle bracket off the housing, and Keith completely Tacos his Tie rod.
All within the first 3 obstacles. All before 9:00PM.
I stick to the plan of cutting up the ZJ. we all manage to get the axle cut
out, engine cut out and what's left of the body cut in half. I go back to
Mike's Jeep, we all come up with a plan to fix it. Since the Left front is
approx 3' off the ground, we decide to tie the spring in with wire to hold
it in place and winch it forward until the suspension settles. We used the
winch for better control of vehicle movement, and the wire is so no one's
little piggies get smashed. With the coil in place, we beat the Smithereens
out of the shock pin on a rock until it reasonably straight, then re-attach
it to the mount. Now that he is going, I send him up to the ZJ to clear the
trail of all the parts. I work my way back to Eric and weld the mount back
to his axle, after he beats it reasonably straight. We decide to continue
running the trail, and we will come back in at the front to get Keith's Jeep
fixed and out. We load up and start moving out. All went well until the
crack about 100yds from the exit. My Turn!!
I succeed in pulling the threads off of every nut holding my spindle to
the steering knuckle, snapping at least half of the studs off, fragging the
inner hub bearing and one cap on the axle u-joint! Now that's cool breakage!
We get it jacked up in the crack, (that sounds funny) everything taken
apart, and figure out what we need to fix it. We decided to leave Keith
there to camp with the Jeeps. Eric would run his GF home. Mike would give me
a ride back to my house, where we both would sleep, then round up parts and
meet back up there. This is at 3:00 AM. Back at house at 5:00am. Sleep until
9:00am. Grab spare spindle from parts pile. No studs or nuts, We try
Checker, no luck there, decide to cut our time as it's getting hotter as the
day wears on, we take the front-end of Ross' Jeep apart, and scavenge it for
parts. We call Ross. ( AFTER we were done raping his Jeep!!) Bad news for
him, we are using his stuff, Good news, I hafta replace his stuff! We go
back up to the parking lot, meet with Eric and head back to the trail with
Sausage muffin breakfast for Keith. We get the Jeep fixed, under the shade
of a tarp, and a light breeze blowing, and we are moving again. That is,
until the rocks claim a sidewall on Mike's front right tire. We Change the
tire. We head to Keith's Jeep, get it out, and then go back up to the
parking lot load up and go home. 24 hour ordeal, finally done......Until
next Friday.......
Anybody wanna break something??
I left out all the fun that was had along the way, because this is
supposed to be a trip report, not a book!
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
11772 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 6:21am
Subject: Fw: XJ emission question
Cool....what does the timer box look like? Does disconnecting the timer box
reset the timer or merely disable the alarm?
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
To: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] XJ emission question
>If it is an 88 then there is a timer box under the dash you just
>disconnect.
>
>
>George Andrews wrote:
>>
>> The "check emission" light has illuminated in my wife's XJ. I know this
is a
>> timed function to replace various components regardless of their
condition.
>> Does anyone know how to reset the timer?
>>
>> George Andrews
>> '88 XJ
>> '79 Cherokee WT
>> Avondale Arizona
>>
>>
>
>--
>Leonard K. Pennock
>
>Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
>find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
11773 From: George Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 6:22am
Subject: Re: opinions wanted - hood vents
Len,
The hood vents I had on my Cherokee did squat for the cooling.......but they
did look cool. I suggest a high flow water pump (FlowKooler) and/or a more
efficient radiator.
George Andrews
'88 XJ
'79 Cherokee WT
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:45 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] opinions wanted - hood vents
>Hi all
>
>In the never ending quest for a cool running trail rig, I'd like to hear
the
>group opinion on hood vents. My present cooling system (19" flex fan with
>shroud and 4 core radiator, plus a 14" electric pusher fan) works great
>around town or on the highway, but during a slow summer crawl my engine
temp
>still starts pushing up towards 200 degrees. The electric fan helps quite
a
>bit, but I'd still like to see some cooler temps under the hood. Normal
>operating temp for my truck (with a 180 deg thermostat) is around 185 to
190
>in town, so I'm not too far away from that with my 200 degree trail temps.
>I was thinking that it might help if I added some form of vents in the
>ood - either louvers ( a la George Andrews ), some of the plastic vent
>inserts available on mid 90's Trans Ams, or even just some holes cut in the
>hood with some expanded metal 'screening' welded in the middle. The
theory
>is that by allowing more of the under hood heat to escape out through the
>top of the hood it will help the cooling system to work better and keep the
>engine cooler.
>
>Does this sound like it might work? Any comments on the amount of heat
that
>escaped through the louvers in Big Orange's hood George? Has anyone else
>tried this? I've seen references on alloffroad.com to folks running early
>bronco's without their hoods to help with overheating problems on the
trail.
>
>I have 3 hoods for my truck, so I could easily have a 'summer' hood (with
>vents) and a 'winter' hood (without vents). One of my spares is dented and
>has some rust holes in it, so it would be a good candidate for a test
piece.
>Unless someone comes back with some negative experiences, I'm going to use
a
>hole saw to 'customize' (mutilate?) the dented/rusted hood and try it out
>on the White Tanks cleanup run. If it does make a positive difference,
then
>I'll set up my other spare hood with some nice looking vents for summertime
>use.
>
>Questions? Comments? Derogatory remarks?
>
>Len
>'78 J-10
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11774 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 2:45am
Subject: 9-22-2000 Jawbreaker Night Run
Members of the Casa Grande Four Wheelers will be leading a run up Jawbreaker
Friday night September 22. This run debuted at last years jamboree, and is
one of Arizona's newest hard-core trails. It is rated at a 4 or 4+, a night
run will surely make it a solid 4+. It is located in the same wash that runs
through Martinez Canyon. Recent rains are rumored to have "modified" some of
the more interesting obstacles. This is not a good trail for spectators as
it would require a lot of walking to get you back to your vehicle. Lockers
and a good lift are required on this one. A meeting place and start time have
not been set yet, it will depend on the number of people attending, however
we would like to be at the trail head by dark. If you are interested in
running this trail with us please let us know so we can start a list. I'd
like to keep it at no more than 15 vehicles.
11775 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 7:45am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
I'd call that person crazy, since they'd trash their Jeep trying to take it on trails it's not built for. It also would likely result in many altered obstacles.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: Tim Naylor ; Rick Hall ; az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Geez...you have it wrong Tim, all wrong.
You said "... if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!"
I disagree completely....if one brings a 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tire, Utah legal rig to one of the above mentioned trails, that person is ONE HELL OF AN IMPRESSIVE DRIVER! Anyone running a rig like that on any one of these trails deserves everyone's respect and admiration! Driving a 6" lift with 37" tires on those trails is the WEENIE way out. ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:07 PM
To: Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I would like to offer my most humble apologies to anyone I may have offended. I should have realized that there might be sensitive people that may be hurt by derogatory remarks aimed at their choice of upgrades for their Jeep. I realize that not everyone delights in torturing their rig by forcing up impossible cliffs and over unforgiving boulders. Not everyone wants to hear the clunks, skweeks and groans the Jeep makes as the frame is twisted, the tires are brutalized and the tie rods smashes into a rock. Some would rather give their rig the respect it deserves and treat it with gentleness and care on pavement and fine gravel roads. I know that some suffer great remorse over each small dent or blemish caused by an unfortunate off road incident. We should all respect the feelings and sensitivities of others, and again, I apologize for any hurt feelings I may have caused by my thoughtless remarks.
I would like to add, however, that if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hall [mailto:rnhall@att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:10 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the group.
11776 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 8:41am
Subject: Re: opinions wanted - hood vents
After watching the ZJ's water temp gauge get really close to the red line three
summers in a row I finally decided not to do much desert 4-wheeling in the
summer time -- particularly during the day! That solved my over heating
problem! Actually, I decided that summer was a good time for repairs and
modifications since the Az has great desert 4-wheeling weather from October to
June. I'd rather be out in the desert than cooped up in the barn when the
weather is nice.
Linda
George Andrews wrote:
> Len,
>
> The hood vents I had on my Cherokee did squat for the cooling.......but they
> did look cool. I suggest a high flow water pump (FlowKooler) and/or a more
> efficient radiator.
>
> George Andrews
> '88 XJ
> '79 Cherokee WT
> Avondale Arizona
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:45 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] opinions wanted - hood vents
>
> >Hi all
> >
> >In the never ending quest for a cool running trail rig, I'd like to hear
> the
> >group opinion on hood vents. My present cooling system (19" flex fan with
> >shroud and 4 core radiator, plus a 14" electric pusher fan) works great
> >around town or on the highway, but during a slow summer crawl my engine
> temp
> >still starts pushing up towards 200 degrees. The electric fan helps quite
> a
> >bit, but I'd still like to see some cooler temps under the hood. Normal
> >operating temp for my truck (with a 180 deg thermostat) is around 185 to
> 190
> >in town, so I'm not too far away from that with my 200 degree trail temps.
> >I was thinking that it might help if I added some form of vents in the
> >ood - either louvers ( a la George Andrews ), some of the plastic vent
> >inserts available on mid 90's Trans Ams, or even just some holes cut in the
> >hood with some expanded metal 'screening' welded in the middle. The
> theory
> >is that by allowing more of the under hood heat to escape out through the
> >top of the hood it will help the cooling system to work better and keep the
> >engine cooler.
> >
> >Does this sound like it might work? Any comments on the amount of heat
> that
> >escaped through the louvers in Big Orange's hood George? Has anyone else
> >tried this? I've seen references on alloffroad.com to folks running early
> >bronco's without their hoods to help with overheating problems on the
> trail.
> >
> >I have 3 hoods for my truck, so I could easily have a 'summer' hood (with
> >vents) and a 'winter' hood (without vents). One of my spares is dented and
> >has some rust holes in it, so it would be a good candidate for a test
> piece.
> >Unless someone comes back with some negative experiences, I'm going to use
> a
> >hole saw to 'customize' (mutilate?) the dented/rusted hood and try it out
> >on the White Tanks cleanup run. If it does make a positive difference,
> then
> >I'll set up my other spare hood with some nice looking vents for summertime
> >use.
> >
> >Questions? Comments? Derogatory remarks?
> >
> >Len
> >'78 J-10
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
11777 From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 8:49am
Subject: Re: TR 8/18 ZJ removal report
Bill --
As you were working on the vehicles at the back, Mike pulled the
trans/tcase from the engine and I helped winch the parts out of the
trail. We left the 'parts pile' just as you arrived (~ 2:30am). I
drove out and found out why my clutch linkage was falling apart; my
tranny mount was broken and under torque the trans/tcase would slide
sideways enough to dump the linkage apart. No prob now, as I will be
ordering all parts necessary for hung pedals and clutch slave
cylinder from Speedway. I was able to get out to the road and baby
it back to the trailer without more problems. I'll let you know
about next Friday once the week progresses.
Jeff
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "William Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> Good turnout Friday nite for the work run. In attendance were
> Bob Trenton
> Mike Anderson
> Jeff Meade
> Eric ?
> Keith Auble
> If I missed anyone, I'm sorry.
> Bob met me at the trailhead and we transferred some gear over
to his
> Jeep. and went in the front way. While we were setting up, Jeff
showed up.
> This is where all the breakage begins. His clutch linkage bent, but
he was
> able to make it work. Next 3 Jeeps on the trail, next 3 Jeeps
break. Mike
> Launches his rear coil spring like something out of a Loony Tunes
cartoon.
> He also tears his shock off in the process. Eric rips the Pass.
side control
> arm axle bracket off the housing, and Keith completely Tacos his
Tie rod.
> All within the first 3 obstacles. All before 9:00PM.
> I stick to the plan of cutting up the ZJ. we all manage to get the
axle cut
> out, engine cut out and what's left of the body cut in half. I go
back to
> Mike's Jeep, we all come up with a plan to fix it. Since the Left
front is
> approx 3' off the ground, we decide to tie the spring in with wire
to hold
> it in place and winch it forward until the suspension settles. We
used the
> winch for better control of vehicle movement, and the wire is so no
one's
> little piggies get smashed. With the coil in place, we beat the
Smithereens
> out of the shock pin on a rock until it reasonably straight, then
re-attach
> it to the mount. Now that he is going, I send him up to the ZJ to
clear the
> trail of all the parts. I work my way back to Eric and weld the
mount back
> to his axle, after he beats it reasonably straight. We decide to
continue
> running the trail, and we will come back in at the front to get
Keith's Jeep
> fixed and out. We load up and start moving out. All went well until
the
> crack about 100yds from the exit. My Turn!!
> I succeed in pulling the threads off of every nut holding my
spindle to
> the steering knuckle, snapping at least half of the studs off,
fragging the
> inner hub bearing and one cap on the axle u-joint! Now that's cool
breakage!
> We get it jacked up in the crack, (that sounds funny) everything
taken
> apart, and figure out what we need to fix it. We decided to leave
Keith
> there to camp with the Jeeps. Eric would run his GF home. Mike
would give me
> a ride back to my house, where we both would sleep, then round up
parts and
> meet back up there. This is at 3:00 AM. Back at house at 5:00am.
Sleep until
> 9:00am. Grab spare spindle from parts pile. No studs or nuts, We try
> Checker, no luck there, decide to cut our time as it's getting
hotter as the
> day wears on, we take the front-end of Ross' Jeep apart, and
scavenge it for
> parts. We call Ross. ( AFTER we were done raping his Jeep!!) Bad
news for
> him, we are using his stuff, Good news, I hafta replace his stuff!
We go
> back up to the parking lot, meet with Eric and head back to the
trail with
> Sausage muffin breakfast for Keith. We get the Jeep fixed, under
the shade
> of a tarp, and a light breeze blowing, and we are moving again.
That is,
> until the rocks claim a sidewall on Mike's front right tire. We
Change the
> tire. We head to Keith's Jeep, get it out, and then go back up to
the
> parking lot load up and go home. 24 hour ordeal, finally
done......Until
> next Friday.......
>
> Anybody wanna break something??
>
> I left out all the fun that was had along the way, because this
is
> supposed to be a trip report, not a book!
>
> Bill Mish
> Yldkat
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> http://drive.to/yldkat55
11778 From: Chatfield, Mike <mchat@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 10:28am
Subject: Wilson Mountain Fire
"WILSON MOUNTAIN FIRE
"A fire ignited by lightning has spread and burned about 70 acres today on
Wilson Mountain near Sedona. Since the site is within the Red Rock Secret
Wilderness Area, firefighters have had to use methods that have relatively
lower impact on the environment. Also hampering efforts to control the blaze
is the remote location. Firefighters have hiked five miles uphill to reach
the flames because there are no roads." - KNXV Channel 15
Gee I'm so glad the Greenies think turning everything into a Wilderness area
is the answer.
11779 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 11:12am
Subject: Re: Wilson Mountain Fire
There were fires recently near my hometown of Alpine, Utah. The fire was in
a wilderness area, and firefighters were trying to contain it before it
threatened homes nearby. To reach the fire, they planned on grading a
pre-existing road. Well, a group of environmentalists showed up and
attempted to block firefighting equipment from grading the road and gaining
access to the fire.
This type of absurd behavior just baffles me... First of all, had the roads
been kept open, firefighters would have had easy access to the fire. But
what really takes the cake is that the greenies would rather see the entire
moutainside (along with many homes) burned than to let firefighters with
their motorized equipment into the area... They are idiots, and they all
need to be hit on the head with a tack hammer.
darren
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike <mchat@h...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:28 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
> "WILSON MOUNTAIN FIRE
>
> "A fire ignited by lightning has spread and burned about 70 acres today on
> Wilson Mountain near Sedona. Since the site is within the Red Rock Secret
> Wilderness Area, firefighters have had to use methods that have relatively
> lower impact on the environment. Also hampering efforts to control the
blaze
> is the remote location. Firefighters have hiked five miles uphill to reach
> the flames because there are no roads." - KNXV Channel 15
>
> Gee I'm so glad the Greenies think turning everything into a Wilderness
area
> is the answer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11780 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 0:26pm
Subject: Re: carrier
Get a bigger pry bar. One about 3 feet long should suffice! :-)) I've heard of
people actually hanging the entire axle from the ceiling by the carrier and then
banging the crap out of the unit. Like, two people (each grab a side) they lift
it up and let the whole thing drop. BANG! Comes out. Those suckers are
usually really jamed in there. I remember I used a 3 foot long crow bar and
pushed with about everything my little 160lb body had and just barely got it
loose. Keep pushing!!!!1
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
Toybox Off-Road
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
11781 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 0:29pm
Subject: Re: Spring over help
When I do spring overs, I like to see caster in the 5-6 degree range.
Less seems to make it squirrely. We've done a few, so if you have any
more questions with this type of install, just shoot me an email.
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
Toybox Off-Road
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
11782 From: Bob Nyberg <rcjd50@e...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 1:33pm
Subject: Re: carrier
I removed a Dana 30 and AMC 20 from mine and could not get them to move
at first but found that if I put a pry bar at both top and bottom at the
same time they slid right out.
Bob
Jay Eller wrote:
>
> Get a bigger pry bar. One about 3 feet long should suffice! :-)) I've heard of
> people actually hanging the entire axle from the ceiling by the carrier and then
>
> banging the crap out of the unit. Like, two people (each grab a side) they lift
>
> it up and let the whole thing drop. BANG! Comes out. Those suckers are
> usually really jamed in there. I remember I used a 3 foot long crow bar and
> pushed with about everything my little 160lb body had and just barely got it
> loose. Keep pushing!!!!1
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> President
> Toybox Off-Road
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
11783 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 2:31pm
Subject: RE: Wilson Mountain Fire
A tack hammer? Awe come one......how about the handle from a HI-Lift! It
still probably won't get the message across but YOU will feel much better
for trying! LOL!
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Richards [mailto:darren.richards@h...]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 11:12 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
There were fires recently near my hometown of Alpine, Utah. The fire was in
a wilderness area, and firefighters were trying to contain it before it
threatened homes nearby. To reach the fire, they planned on grading a
pre-existing road. Well, a group of environmentalists showed up and
attempted to block firefighting equipment from grading the road and gaining
access to the fire.
This type of absurd behavior just baffles me... First of all, had the roads
been kept open, firefighters would have had easy access to the fire. But
what really takes the cake is that the greenies would rather see the entire
moutainside (along with many homes) burned than to let firefighters with
their motorized equipment into the area... They are idiots, and they all
need to be hit on the head with a tack hammer.
darren
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike <mchat@h...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:28 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
> "WILSON MOUNTAIN FIRE
>
> "A fire ignited by lightning has spread and burned about 70 acres today on
> Wilson Mountain near Sedona. Since the site is within the Red Rock Secret
> Wilderness Area, firefighters have had to use methods that have relatively
> lower impact on the environment. Also hampering efforts to control the
blaze
> is the remote location. Firefighters have hiked five miles uphill to reach
> the flames because there are no roads." - KNXV Channel 15
>
> Gee I'm so glad the Greenies think turning everything into a Wilderness
area
> is the answer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11784 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 2:42pm
Subject: Re: In need of transmission...
Funny, I posted this last week, and it just now showed up?
Hmmm...
----------
> From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] In need of transmission...
> Date: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:57 AM
>
>
> I am sure everyone has about 10-15 of my postings related to Jeep
> transmissions, more specifically the Peugot B/A-10. It is now time for
the
> transmission to be put to rest, and I have to consider some options.
Does
> anyone have a lead on a useable NP435 or a Ford T-18, preferrably with a
> transfer case? Or does anyone have any better ideas?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
11785 From: Mike & Anita Chatfield <mchat@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 4:38pm
Subject: Re: Wilson Mountain Fire
Just a tack hammer? I think a 20# sledge is more in order, unless
someone has access to a wrecking ball...
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Darren Richards" <darren.richards@h...>
> ...greenies would rather see the entire moutainside (along with
> many homes) burned than to let firefighters with their motorized
> equipment into the area... They are idiots, and they all need to
> be hit on the head with a tack hammer.
11786 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 0:41pm
Subject: Fwd: 9-22-2000 Jawbreaker Night Run
From: Flatfenderman@a...
Full-name: Flatfenderman
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:35:24 EDT
Subject: Fwd: 9-22-2000 Jawbreaker Night Run
To: az-vjc@e...
From: Flatfenderman@a...
Full-name: Flatfenderman
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:45:51 EDT
Subject: 9-22-2000 Jawbreaker Night Run
To: az_vjc@e...
Members of the Casa Grande Four Wheelers will be leading a run up Jawbreaker
Friday night September 22. This run debuted at last years jamboree, and is
one of Arizona's newest hard-core trails. It is rated at a 4 or 4+, a night
run will surely make it a solid 4+. It is located in the same wash that runs
through Martinez Canyon. Recent rains are rumored to have "modified" some of
the more interesting obstacles. This is not a good trail for spectators as
it would require a lot of walking to get you back to your vehicle. Lockers
and a good lift are required on this one. A meeting place and start time have
not been set yet, it will depend on the number of people attending, however
we would like to be at the trail head by dark. If you are interested in
running this trail with us please let us know so we can start a list. I'd
like to keep it at no more than 15 vehicles.
11787 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2000 4:50pm
Subject: Re: Wilson Mountain Fire
This story did have a good ending... Accourding to the account I read, the
driver of the road grader just started up his rig, put it in gear, and
headed towards the group of environmental wackos that were trying to block
the road. Unfortunately they all scrambled to safety before becoming part
of the road.
darren
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
To: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
> A tack hammer? Awe come one......how about the handle from a HI-Lift! It
> still probably won't get the message across but YOU will feel much better
> for trying! LOL!
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>
> http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Richards [mailto:darren.richards@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 11:12 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
>
>
> There were fires recently near my hometown of Alpine, Utah. The fire was
in
> a wilderness area, and firefighters were trying to contain it before it
> threatened homes nearby. To reach the fire, they planned on grading a
> pre-existing road. Well, a group of environmentalists showed up and
> attempted to block firefighting equipment from grading the road and
gaining
> access to the fire.
>
> This type of absurd behavior just baffles me... First of all, had the
roads
> been kept open, firefighters would have had easy access to the fire. But
> what really takes the cake is that the greenies would rather see the
entire
> moutainside (along with many homes) burned than to let firefighters with
> their motorized equipment into the area... They are idiots, and they all
> need to be hit on the head with a tack hammer.
>
> darren
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chatfield, Mike <mchat@h...>
> To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:28 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Wilson Mountain Fire
>
>
> > "WILSON MOUNTAIN FIRE
> >
> > "A fire ignited by lightning has spread and burned about 70 acres today
on
> > Wilson Mountain near Sedona. Since the site is within the Red Rock
Secret
> > Wilderness Area, firefighters have had to use methods that have
relatively
> > lower impact on the environment. Also hampering efforts to control the
> blaze
> > is the remote location. Firefighters have hiked five miles uphill to
reach
> > the flames because there are no roads." - KNXV Channel 15
> >
> > Gee I'm so glad the Greenies think turning everything into a Wilderness
> area
> > is the answer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>