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11738 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 4:29am
Subject: new email
My new email address is: jonloveless@m...
I finally got DSL!
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11739 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 7:02am
Subject: RE: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Geez...you have it wrong Tim, all wrong.
You said "... if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!"
I disagree completely....if one brings a 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tire, Utah legal rig to one of the above mentioned trails, that person is ONE HELL OF AN IMPRESSIVE DRIVER! Anyone running a rig like that on any one of these trails deserves everyone's respect and admiration! Driving a 6" lift with 37" tires on those trails is the WEENIE way out. ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:07 PM
To: Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I would like to offer my most humble apologies to anyone I may have offended. I should have realized that there might be sensitive people that may be hurt by derogatory remarks aimed at their choice of upgrades for their Jeep. I realize that not everyone delights in torturing their rig by forcing up impossible cliffs and over unforgiving boulders. Not everyone wants to hear the clunks, skweeks and groans the Jeep makes as the frame is twisted, the tires are brutalized and the tie rods smashes into a rock. Some would rather give their rig the respect it deserves and treat it with gentleness and care on pavement and fine gravel roads. I know that some suffer great remorse over each small dent or blemish caused by an unfortunate off road incident. We should all respect the feelings and sensitivities of others, and again, I apologize for any hurt feelings I may have caused by my thoughtless remarks.
I would like to add, however, that if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hall [mailto:rnhall@att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:10 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the group.
11740 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 8:37am
Subject: LU - Dombeck's letter to Employees
FYI..
Linda
> Chief Mike Dombeck's Letter to All USFS Employees
>
> United States Department of Agriculture
> Forest Service Washington Office
> 14th & Independence SW
> P.O. Box 96090
> Washington, DC 20090-6090
>
> File Code: 1300 Date: June 30, 2000
> Route To:
>
> Subject: Letter from Mike Dombeck, Chief
>
> To: All Employees
>
> On the eve of what I hope will be a long and enjoyable weekend for
you,
> I'd like to take a little of your time to discuss some of our
conservation
> initiatives. I know how hard many of you have worked on these
efforts.
> You have my appreciation and admiration. As they near completion, it
> is my firm conviction they will help resolve long-standing
controversial
> issues and make us more effective in accomplishing our mission of
> caring for the land and serving people.
>
> Dale Bosworth and his team, for example, are in the process of
> finalizing the road policy. Its purpose is to ensure that decisions
on
> the future of our 380,000-mile transportation system are made in an
> open and public forum, informed by basic inventory information, and
> justified by a science-based analysis of risks and benefits. This is
not
> the stuff of revolution - just common sense. Our objective is to
ensure
> that the American people can access the lands they so love in a manner
> that does not compromise the land's resilience, productivity, and
health.
> And we must get our road maintenance program funded.
>
> Another issue that continues to generate intense public interest is
our
> roadless rulemaking. The road policy is about working together with
> communities of interest and communities of place to focus on the road
> system of the future rather than fighting over the crumbling road
system
> of the past. The roadless rulemaking is intended to ensure that the
essential
> social and ecological characteristics and values of roadless areas are
> maintained for the use and benefit of present and future generations.
I
> believe that not only is it questionable conservation policy, it's bad
> business to build new roads into undeveloped areas when we have an
$8.5
> billion backlog on our existing road system.
>
> For decades we have proposed projects in roadless areas only to have
> them "answered" through congressional appropriation's debates,
interest
> group politics, and litigation. The status quo is unacceptable.~ I
believe
> that absent strong leadership, the roads and roadless issues would
have
> continued to slowly spiral out of our control. It was just two years
ago
> when the House of Representatives came within a single vote of
eliminating
> funding for more than 80 percent of our road budget. Most natural
resource
> issues are best handled locally. Sometimes national leadership is
needed
> to break gridlock and resolve intractable issues. That is the balance
that
> our roadless proposal seeks to find. For example, neither the roads
nor the
> roadless proposals would block access to, or close a single mile of
> existing road. Such decisions are best left to local managers in the
field
> working with communities of place and interest.
>
> Strong leadership does not undermine cooperative stewardship.
> Cooperative approaches to land management are our best hope for
building
> lasting constituencies for conservation and wise stewardship of
natural
> resources.
> Collaboration, however, does not alleviate our responsibility to make
> decisions that we believe in the best long-term interest of the land
or
> the people who depend on and enjoy it. Local decisions alone likely
> would not have sanctioned creation of the first forest reserves, the
> wilderness preservation system, or the retention of public lands in
> public ownership.
> Although controversial in their day, each of these decisions helped to
> build a public land system that is the envy of the world.
>
> Both the roads and roadless proposals dovetail with the proposed
> planning rules emphasis on science information and balancing national
> and local decisions. The National Leadership Team has spent many
> hours working through the planning regulations which are nearing
> completion. Once finalized, they will help us to better integrate the
> planning and budget processes, resulting in more ecologically
sustainable
> decisions that avoid the cycle of over-promising and under funding
that
> plagued the first set of forest plans.
>
> These proposals and policies are reflected in our Strategic Plan and
> flow directly from the Forest Service Natural Resource Agenda -
> watershed health and restoration, ecologically sustainable forest and
> grassland management, roads and roadless areas, and recreation. The
> Agenda was developed in response to external and internal criticism
that
> we had lost sight of our mission, our basic sense of purpose. Folks
may
> say they are too busy, or disagree with our direction, but rarely does
> anyone suggest we have a "muddled" mission.
>
> We have changed the tenor of the debate. No longer is our agenda
> dictated by litigation, lawsuits, and controversial appropriations'
riders.
> The regional plans in the Sierra Nevada, the Columbia River Basin, and
> the Grasslands, for example, anticipate the emphasis on sound science
> and sustainability in the proposed planning regulations and will lead
to
> improved land health and better service to people on tens of millions
of
> acres by ensuring that basic ecological processes such as fire and
water
> regimes exist, and that old growth forests remain intact.
>
> Consistent with both our roadless proposal and our soon to be released
> Cohesive Fire Strategy, these regional efforts recognize the
ecological
> and social importance of roadless areas. These products also focus on
> restoring areas most at risk to catastrophic fire through a
combination of
> improved fire management, grazing, road management, species
protection,
> and thinning.
>
> The inertia in a large organization is to maintain the status quo.
The
> country is littered with organizations that could not, or would not
adapt.
> Our challenge is to work toward the future while respecting our many
> accomplishments in the past.
>
> It is imperative that we work together at all levels of the
organization
> to understand the rationale behind, and the implications of, these
> conservation efforts. Please continue to share your thoughts and
advice
> with me, regional foresters and station directors, forest supervisors,
> district rangers, and others. If we are to be successful, our
organization
> must embrace change; welcome different skills, experiences, and
> viewpoints; and look for suggestions from those that led before us as
we
> try new ways to resolve old problems.
>
> We are at the forefront of the public lands debate and this is
precisely
> where we should be. The long-term dividends of leadership clearly
> outweigh the short-term costs. And, as Aldo Leopold so sagely
advised,
> we must take the long view. I am proud to serve with you in the
world's
> foremost conservation organization. Have a great weekend.
>
> /s/ Mike Dombeck
>
> MIKE DOMBECK
> Chief
->END<------------------------------------------------------------------------
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11741 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 8:39am
Subject: LU - Sen. Craig's response to Dombeck's Letter
Subject:
[ZJ] Fw: Senator Craig's Response
Date:
Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:02:03 -0600
FYI.
Linda
Go Senator Craig! - [T. Zehrbach]
> Senator Larry Craig's Response to the
> Chief Mike Dombeck's letter to all USFS Employees
>
> July 17, 2000
>
> Mr. Mike Dombeck
> Chief
> U.S. Forest Service
> Department of Agriculture
> 14th & Independence Ave, SW
> Washington, DC 20090-6090
> Dear Mike:
>
> Given the number of Forest Service employees who were kind enough to
> send me
> a copy. I could not help reading your June 30th letter to all
> employees. I
> suppose that it is appropriate for you to send such a letter
immediately
>
> before the Independence Day holiday, because you seem to be declaring
> the
> Forest Service's independence from the balance of the federal
> government,
> the laws governing federal agency activities, and the utilization of
> simple
> common sense.
> Under the Provisions of the Administration Procedures Act, The
National
> Environmental Policy Act and the National Forest Management Act, we
have
>
> allowed you to propose regulations, but required you to accept public
> comments thereon, and to use those comments to evaluate how and
whether
> to
> best proceed. The public comment period is supposed to provide
agencies
> with
> necessary information to modify the direction and substance of
> rule-making.
> To be sure, over the years some elements of the public have become
jaded
>
> about the sincerity of one or another agencies' effort to hear their
> reviews. But agency heads have, at a minimum, at least tried to give
the
>
> pretense that the public's views are important. You do not.
> Your statement in the letter that "collaboration, however, does not
> alleviate our responsibility to make decisions that we believe in the
> best
> long-term interest of the land or the people who depend on and enjoy
> it,"
> represents the height of arrogance. Such a clearly decisional
> pronouncement
> during the middle of the comment period on the roadless area rule
> emphatically demonstrates that your mind is closed. Combined with
> previous
> pre-decisional statements by the President, the Vice President, the
> Secretary, and yourself, your actions are fatally tainting both this
> rule-making, and the Forest Service's reputation for integrity for
years
> to
> come.
> Worse yet, this statement strongly indicates that you are either
> unwilling,
> or perhaps unable, to appreciate what is required to successfully
> practice
> collaborative stewardship. That is especially distressing, because it
> calls
> into direct question your sincerity on a number of other matters that
we
>
> have previously discussed. The-we're willing to chat, but we know
> best-tone
> of your June 30 letter is both unhelpful and a throw-back to pre-NEPA
> agency
> behavior.
> I also fear that the hubris evident in phrases such as "we have
changed
> the
> tenor of the debate;" has left you at least slightly delusional. I
can
> find
> no other explanation for the statement immediately following that "no
> longer
> is our agenda dictated by litigation, lawsuits, and controversial
> appropriations' [sic] riders."
> In case you have not been following closely, your proposed roadless
area
>
> rule is the subject of three pending lawsuits already. Your Northwest
> Forest Plan is mired in litigation and dead in the water. As a
> consequence
> of recent litigation, you have lost the ability to conduct de-minimis
> timber
> sales using a Finding of No Significant Impact under NEPA. Last
month,
> you
> lost a lawsuit over your cancellation of the Alaska Pulp Corporation's
> timber sale contract that exposes you to $1.4 billion in liability -
an
> amount that represents 50% of the total budget appropriated to the
> Forest
> Service last year. Last week, environmental litigants filed suit to
try
> to
> stop timber harvesting completely in the Forest Service's southern
> region.
> I suggest you spend some quality time with your Office of General
> Counsel in
> the very near future.
> As to appropriations riders, I will be going to the Senate floor later
> today
> to defend your forest management budget once again from the annual
raid
> attempted by national environmental groups and their allies. Nothing
> bas
> changed on this front. With respect to my interest in an amendment to
> assure that you comply with the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA),
> you
> should understand that I have decided to forebear from acting for the
> time
> being. I have not foresworn from congressional action indefinitely.
> For
> now, I am content to await court proceedings scheduled in August.
> Depending
> upon the outcome of those proceedings, Congress may not be required to
> act
> to correct these FACA violations, or I may take this matter up again
> when
> the Interior Appropriations bill reaches Conference later this year.
> It may well be that you are, as your letter boa****lly suggests, "at
the
>
> forefront of the public lands debate." Only time will tell whether the
> political front lines are the best place to secure scientifically
sound,
>
> balanced and stable, long-term resource management goals.
> Mike, I found your letter both arrogant and offensive. I look forward
> to
> discussing this with you at our oversight hearing later this week.
> Sincerely,
>
> Larry E. Craig
>
> Chairman, Subcommittee
> on Forests and Public Land
> Management
11742 From: chiena <chiena@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:11am
Subject: GDI Radiater
Damm. MY one year old three core GDI radiater sprung a leak at the seam. The
shop I bought it from took a look at it and handed me a new one in the box.
Anyone else have a problem with a GDI.
11743 From: David Chatfield <chatfielddc@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:21am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Amen. I did upper terminator when it was brand new in my 86 CJ 7 with 2.5 lift and 31 inch tires with no problem.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: Tim Naylor ; Rick Hall ; az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Geez...you have it wrong Tim, all wrong.
You said "... if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!"
I disagree completely....if one brings a 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tire, Utah legal rig to one of the above mentioned trails, that person is ONE HELL OF AN IMPRESSIVE DRIVER! Anyone running a rig like that on any one of these trails deserves everyone's respect and admiration! Driving a 6" lift with 37" tires on those trails is the WEENIE way out. ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:07 PM
To: Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I would like to offer my most humble apologies to anyone I may have offended. I should have realized that there might be sensitive people that may be hurt by derogatory remarks aimed at their choice of upgrades for their Jeep. I realize that not everyone delights in torturing their rig by forcing up impossible cliffs and over unforgiving boulders. Not everyone wants to hear the clunks, skweeks and groans the Jeep makes as the frame is twisted, the tires are brutalized and the tie rods smashes into a rock. Some would rather give their rig the respect it deserves and treat it with gentleness and care on pavement and fine gravel roads. I know that some suffer great remorse over each small dent or blemish caused by an unfortunate off road incident. We should all respect the feelings and sensitivities of others, and again, I apologize for any hurt feelings I may have caused by my thoughtless remarks.
I would like to add, however, that if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hall [mailto:rnhall@att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:10 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the group.
11744 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:58am
Subject: RE: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Stu, I resemble that remark. I will be glad to drag that 4" 32" through most of those trails ;-}>
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@uswest.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:02 AM
To: Tim Naylor; Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Geez...you have it wrong Tim, all wrong.
You said "... if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!"
I disagree completely....if one brings a 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tire, Utah legal rig to one of the above mentioned trails, that person is ONE HELL OF AN IMPRESSIVE DRIVER! Anyone running a rig like that on any one of these trails deserves everyone's respect and admiration! Driving a 6" lift with 37" tires on those trails is the WEENIE way out. ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:07 PM
To: Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I would like to offer my most humble apologies to anyone I may have offended. I should have realized that there might be sensitive people that may be hurt by derogatory remarks aimed at their choice of upgrades for their Jeep. I realize that not everyone delights in torturing their rig by forcing up impossible cliffs and over unforgiving boulders. Not everyone wants to hear the clunks, skweeks and groans the Jeep makes as the frame is twisted, the tires are brutalized and the tie rods smashes into a rock. Some would rather give their rig the respect it deserves and treat it with gentleness and care on pavement and fine gravel roads. I know that some suffer great remorse over each small dent or blemish caused by an unfortunate off road incident. We should all respect the feelings and sensitivities of others, and again, I apologize for any hurt feelings I may have caused by my thoughtless remarks.
I would like to add, however, that if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hall [mailto:rnhall@att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:10 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the group.
11745 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 5:59am
Subject: carrier
I cant get my carrier to pop free...does anyone have any suggestions?
Sharky
11746 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 10:15am
Subject: RE: carrier
Large Whacker, lots of grunt......:-)now seriously, call Steve(Shop Manager)
at 4 Wheelers and ask his advise. He will tell you one way or another.
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 10:00 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] carrier
I cant get my carrier to pop free...does anyone have any suggestions?
Sharky
11747 From: <biglowt@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 7:02am
Subject: 93 YJ for sale
If anyone knows of anybody looking for a YJ, mine is for sale.
Details are as follows:
1993 YJ Wrangler, white
60K miles
4.0L, auto, ac, ps, pb, tilt, Alpine Cd, polk speakers in dash and soundbar
full rollbar padding, full soft top, bikini top, duster cover, backseat,
seatcovers perfect interior
2.5" Rubicon Express Extreme Lift (greasable shackles, sway bar discos,
stainless steel brake lines), 30" pathfinders on custom rims, smittybilt
double tube rear bumper, smittybilt double tube with grille guard front
bumper, full side steps in matching white body color
Jeep is in almost perfect condition, doesnt leak at all, engine department is
like new, well taken care of.... nice.
asking 11500. 602-750-7346 Ask for Tom. If anyone has any opinions on
this, it will be going in auto trader soon, just wanted to let the list know
first
11748 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 0:01pm
Subject: Re: carrier
Mine was a bugger to get out... I used the biggest slide hammer I could get
ahold of. The problem was attaching the slide hammer to the carrier. The
fingers on the claw kept slipping. I think I ended up just using about 20
loops of bailing wire around the carrier. That actually didn't work very
well, but after an hour or so I think I finally got it out. I just remember
it hurt when it landed on my head.
darren
----- Original Message -----
From: <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:59 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] carrier
> I cant get my carrier to pop free...does anyone have any suggestions?
> Sharky
>
>
>
>
>
11749 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 0:08pm
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
I still have stock springs and trackbars, 31's, and have managed to go
quite a few places i shouldn't have. Now I have a locker...
Chris
87YJ
----------
> From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
> To: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>; Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>;
az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
> Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:02 AM
>
Geez...you have it wrong Tim, all wrong.
You said "... if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to
Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!"
I disagree completely....if one brings a 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tire, Utah
legal rig to one of the above mentioned trails, that person is ONE HELL OF
AN IMPRESSIVE DRIVER! Anyone running a rig like that on any one of these
trails deserves everyone's respect and admiration! Driving a 6" lift with
37" tires on those trails is the WEENIE way out. ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@w...]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:07 PM
To: Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I would like to offer my most humble apologies to anyone I may have
offended. I should have realized that there might be sensitive people that
may be hurt by derogatory remarks aimed at their choice of upgrades for
their Jeep. I realize that not everyone delights in torturing their rig by
forcing up impossible cliffs and over unforgiving boulders. Not everyone
wants to hear the clunks, skweeks and groans the Jeep makes as the frame is
twisted, the tires are brutalized and the tie rods smashes into a rock.
Some
would rather give their rig the respect it deserves and treat it with
gentleness and care on pavement and fine gravel roads. I know that some
suffer great remorse over each small dent or blemish caused by an
unfortunate off road incident. We should all respect the feelings and
sensitivities of others, and again, I apologize for any hurt feelings I may
have caused by my thoughtless remarks.
I would like to add, however, that if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch
tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE
A
WIENIE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hall [mailto:rnhall@a...]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:10 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to
support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the
members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the
group.
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11750 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 0:31pm
Subject: fuel injectors -- continued
A friend came over and helped break free the last fuel rail bolt. Now
it's time to start the o-ring replacement. I think getting the rail and
injectors out will be relatively easy, but what about getting them back
in? Keith Orr mentioned putting a little light oil on the o-rings, but
his follow-up suggestions went to my work email. Do the injectors and
fuel rail need to be gently pressed back into the manifold, or can the
assembly be gently tapped back into place? I have never done this
before and the manual just says 'reseat injectors'. I have secondary
transportation so the Jeep can sit forever in the barn if need be.
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Linda
11751 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 0:58pm
Subject: Re: [arizonaXJ] fuel injectors -- continued
Light oil like wd-40 or machine oil and they should just press in. I've
had the best luck putting the injectors on the fuel bar first and then
putting them in the manifold but the other way works also.
LindaL wrote:
>
> A friend came over and helped break free the last fuel rail bolt. Now
> it's time to start the o-ring replacement. I think getting the rail and
> injectors out will be relatively easy, but what about getting them back
> in? Keith Orr mentioned putting a little light oil on the o-rings, but
> his follow-up suggestions went to my work email. Do the injectors and
> fuel rail need to be gently pressed back into the manifold, or can the
> assembly be gently tapped back into place? I have never done this
> before and the manual just says 'reseat injectors'. I have secondary
> transportation so the Jeep can sit forever in the barn if need be.
>
> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!
> Thanks!
>
> Linda
>
>
>
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> arizonaXJ-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11752 From: Randy Davis <davisrandy2@n...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 8:35am
Subject: night run
HI ALL
Randy Here,A Few Of Us Are Going To The P4W Ranch
To Play Around On The Hills And Have Some fun You
Are All Welcomed To Join Us We Will Meet At The
Circel K At 83AVE & Union Hills At 5:30pm And
Leave At 5:45pm Hope To See You There
Randy 90 Black YJ Locked & Lifted
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11753 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 3:35pm
Subject: Sunday runs?
Is anything planned for tomorrow that you may want to add a vehicle to the list of participants? Looking to try out my new mods.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
11754 From: Alan Wicker <sandy@g...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 4:04pm
Subject: Charleau Gap !!!!!!
Unfortunately i will not be going on the Charleau Gap run. On the
way back from Chiva I blew a radiator hose and sprung a fuel leak.
The fuel leak is minor and requires tightnening some clamps but both
radiator hoses need replacing. So tommorrow will be spent on the
jeep.
Have fun
Alan Wicker 94YJ SOA
11755 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 4:12pm
Subject: fuel injectors --- thanks!!
Thanks to all that provided advice on how to remove and install the
injectors and fuel rail. Got the job done in 4 hours.The two rear
connectors were extremely difficult to get off since there is not good
angle and, being 5'4", not able to easily reach them. I don't want
to do this again for a long long time!
Thanks again!
Linda
11756 From: Leah Eliscu <jeep@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 3:27pm
Subject: Re: Sean's Jeep TJ for sale!! Rockcrawling at it's finest
Sheesh, that was pretty harsh on 'ol Sean.
Of course you NEVER take your TJ out and
beat it a little. ;-) Don't forget I was under it once.
Leah
>forgot a few parts on description: been in bad wreck and beat to hell
>whenever sean four-wheeled.
>jake
>99 tj "sparky"
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11757 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 5:25pm
Subject: Re: [arizonaXJ] fuel injectors --- thanks!!
I was thinking of putting higher flow injectors in mine. Now that you
are an expert, would you do it for me?
LindaL wrote:
>
> Thanks to all that provided advice on how to remove and install the
> injectors and fuel rail. Got the job done in 4 hours.The two rear
> connectors were extremely difficult to get off since there is not good
> angle and, being 5'4", not able to easily reach them. I don't want
> to do this again for a long long time!
>
> Thanks again!
> Linda
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> arizonaXJ-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11758 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 1:30pm
Subject: Thanks
I just wanted to send out a big thanks to those people who offered thier
knowledge when it was needed. I got the project done and it works fine. Once
again thank you for taking the time to answer my questions and helping me
out, it was greatly appreciated :)
I only got 5 responses but they were all on the money...I guess if I want
more responce next time I will ask an important question like what color I
should paint it hehehe.
Once again thanks to those who helped
Sharky
11759 From: az cattledogg <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 11:24am
Subject: NONE JEEP RELATED.motorcycle for sale
Hey i am trying to sell my 96 CBR900RR.I would perfer to just have some one
take over payments.If any one is interested please e-mail me on the back
burner at twistedxj@h... or if you have any questions about the
bike.i will try and send some pics to(if they work)
Thanks,
Travis Wall
89XJ
twistedxj@h...
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=794894&a=7309899
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11760 From: ebnhils:First ebnhils:Last <ebnhils@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 7:49pm
Subject: Spring over help
Hello all,
I am performing a spring over next weekend and need some help. I am unable to find a spec for at what angle I should set the front spring perches compared to the caster angle? I have a 92 YJ 4.0 5speed/231 with stock front and rear axles, 1/2 inch lift shackles and an add a leaf front and rear. I will also have a one inch body lift with one inch motor mount, a belly up skid plate and a transfer case short shaft kit. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Eben
11761 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 7:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: [arizonaXJ] fuel injectors --- thanks!!
LOL!!!! Wait until I'm in a better mood!
Linda
Leonard K. Pennock wrote:
> I was thinking of putting higher flow injectors in mine. Now that you
> are an expert, would you do it for me?
>
> LindaL wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to all that provided advice on how to remove and install the
> > injectors and fuel rail. Got the job done in 4 hours.The two rear
> > connectors were extremely difficult to get off since there is not good
> > angle and, being 5'4", not able to easily reach them. I don't want
> > to do this again for a long long time!
> >
> > Thanks again!
> > Linda
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > arizonaXJ-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
>
11762 From: <fourwhlcrzy@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Spring over help
check caster angle before you take anything apart. should be between 3 an
5degreesback(top of the axis should point back) just make it the same when
its all back together. driveshaft angle will suffer, but compensating for
that will affect steering. hope thi helps. good luck
Daren 52 M38
11738 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 4:29am
Subject: new email
My new email address is: jonloveless@m...
I finally got DSL!
WOOOOOHOOOOO
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11739 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 7:02am
Subject: RE: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Geez...you have it wrong Tim, all wrong.
You said "... if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!"
I disagree completely....if one brings a 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tire, Utah legal rig to one of the above mentioned trails, that person is ONE HELL OF AN IMPRESSIVE DRIVER! Anyone running a rig like that on any one of these trails deserves everyone's respect and admiration! Driving a 6" lift with 37" tires on those trails is the WEENIE way out. ;-)
Stu
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Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:07 PM
To: Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I would like to offer my most humble apologies to anyone I may have offended. I should have realized that there might be sensitive people that may be hurt by derogatory remarks aimed at their choice of upgrades for their Jeep. I realize that not everyone delights in torturing their rig by forcing up impossible cliffs and over unforgiving boulders. Not everyone wants to hear the clunks, skweeks and groans the Jeep makes as the frame is twisted, the tires are brutalized and the tie rods smashes into a rock. Some would rather give their rig the respect it deserves and treat it with gentleness and care on pavement and fine gravel roads. I know that some suffer great remorse over each small dent or blemish caused by an unfortunate off road incident. We should all respect the feelings and sensitivities of others, and again, I apologize for any hurt feelings I may have caused by my thoughtless remarks.
I would like to add, however, that if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hall [mailto:rnhall@att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:10 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the group.
11740 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 8:37am
Subject: LU - Dombeck's letter to Employees
FYI..
Linda
> Chief Mike Dombeck's Letter to All USFS Employees
>
> United States Department of Agriculture
> Forest Service Washington Office
> 14th & Independence SW
> P.O. Box 96090
> Washington, DC 20090-6090
>
> File Code: 1300 Date: June 30, 2000
> Route To:
>
> Subject: Letter from Mike Dombeck, Chief
>
> To: All Employees
>
> On the eve of what I hope will be a long and enjoyable weekend for
you,
> I'd like to take a little of your time to discuss some of our
conservation
> initiatives. I know how hard many of you have worked on these
efforts.
> You have my appreciation and admiration. As they near completion, it
> is my firm conviction they will help resolve long-standing
controversial
> issues and make us more effective in accomplishing our mission of
> caring for the land and serving people.
>
> Dale Bosworth and his team, for example, are in the process of
> finalizing the road policy. Its purpose is to ensure that decisions
on
> the future of our 380,000-mile transportation system are made in an
> open and public forum, informed by basic inventory information, and
> justified by a science-based analysis of risks and benefits. This is
not
> the stuff of revolution - just common sense. Our objective is to
ensure
> that the American people can access the lands they so love in a manner
> that does not compromise the land's resilience, productivity, and
health.
> And we must get our road maintenance program funded.
>
> Another issue that continues to generate intense public interest is
our
> roadless rulemaking. The road policy is about working together with
> communities of interest and communities of place to focus on the road
> system of the future rather than fighting over the crumbling road
system
> of the past. The roadless rulemaking is intended to ensure that the
essential
> social and ecological characteristics and values of roadless areas are
> maintained for the use and benefit of present and future generations.
I
> believe that not only is it questionable conservation policy, it's bad
> business to build new roads into undeveloped areas when we have an
$8.5
> billion backlog on our existing road system.
>
> For decades we have proposed projects in roadless areas only to have
> them "answered" through congressional appropriation's debates,
interest
> group politics, and litigation. The status quo is unacceptable.~ I
believe
> that absent strong leadership, the roads and roadless issues would
have
> continued to slowly spiral out of our control. It was just two years
ago
> when the House of Representatives came within a single vote of
eliminating
> funding for more than 80 percent of our road budget. Most natural
resource
> issues are best handled locally. Sometimes national leadership is
needed
> to break gridlock and resolve intractable issues. That is the balance
that
> our roadless proposal seeks to find. For example, neither the roads
nor the
> roadless proposals would block access to, or close a single mile of
> existing road. Such decisions are best left to local managers in the
field
> working with communities of place and interest.
>
> Strong leadership does not undermine cooperative stewardship.
> Cooperative approaches to land management are our best hope for
building
> lasting constituencies for conservation and wise stewardship of
natural
> resources.
> Collaboration, however, does not alleviate our responsibility to make
> decisions that we believe in the best long-term interest of the land
or
> the people who depend on and enjoy it. Local decisions alone likely
> would not have sanctioned creation of the first forest reserves, the
> wilderness preservation system, or the retention of public lands in
> public ownership.
> Although controversial in their day, each of these decisions helped to
> build a public land system that is the envy of the world.
>
> Both the roads and roadless proposals dovetail with the proposed
> planning rules emphasis on science information and balancing national
> and local decisions. The National Leadership Team has spent many
> hours working through the planning regulations which are nearing
> completion. Once finalized, they will help us to better integrate the
> planning and budget processes, resulting in more ecologically
sustainable
> decisions that avoid the cycle of over-promising and under funding
that
> plagued the first set of forest plans.
>
> These proposals and policies are reflected in our Strategic Plan and
> flow directly from the Forest Service Natural Resource Agenda -
> watershed health and restoration, ecologically sustainable forest and
> grassland management, roads and roadless areas, and recreation. The
> Agenda was developed in response to external and internal criticism
that
> we had lost sight of our mission, our basic sense of purpose. Folks
may
> say they are too busy, or disagree with our direction, but rarely does
> anyone suggest we have a "muddled" mission.
>
> We have changed the tenor of the debate. No longer is our agenda
> dictated by litigation, lawsuits, and controversial appropriations'
riders.
> The regional plans in the Sierra Nevada, the Columbia River Basin, and
> the Grasslands, for example, anticipate the emphasis on sound science
> and sustainability in the proposed planning regulations and will lead
to
> improved land health and better service to people on tens of millions
of
> acres by ensuring that basic ecological processes such as fire and
water
> regimes exist, and that old growth forests remain intact.
>
> Consistent with both our roadless proposal and our soon to be released
> Cohesive Fire Strategy, these regional efforts recognize the
ecological
> and social importance of roadless areas. These products also focus on
> restoring areas most at risk to catastrophic fire through a
combination of
> improved fire management, grazing, road management, species
protection,
> and thinning.
>
> The inertia in a large organization is to maintain the status quo.
The
> country is littered with organizations that could not, or would not
adapt.
> Our challenge is to work toward the future while respecting our many
> accomplishments in the past.
>
> It is imperative that we work together at all levels of the
organization
> to understand the rationale behind, and the implications of, these
> conservation efforts. Please continue to share your thoughts and
advice
> with me, regional foresters and station directors, forest supervisors,
> district rangers, and others. If we are to be successful, our
organization
> must embrace change; welcome different skills, experiences, and
> viewpoints; and look for suggestions from those that led before us as
we
> try new ways to resolve old problems.
>
> We are at the forefront of the public lands debate and this is
precisely
> where we should be. The long-term dividends of leadership clearly
> outweigh the short-term costs. And, as Aldo Leopold so sagely
advised,
> we must take the long view. I am proud to serve with you in the
world's
> foremost conservation organization. Have a great weekend.
>
> /s/ Mike Dombeck
>
> MIKE DOMBECK
> Chief
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11741 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 8:39am
Subject: LU - Sen. Craig's response to Dombeck's Letter
Subject:
[ZJ] Fw: Senator Craig's Response
Date:
Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:02:03 -0600
FYI.
Linda
Go Senator Craig! - [T. Zehrbach]
> Senator Larry Craig's Response to the
> Chief Mike Dombeck's letter to all USFS Employees
>
> July 17, 2000
>
> Mr. Mike Dombeck
> Chief
> U.S. Forest Service
> Department of Agriculture
> 14th & Independence Ave, SW
> Washington, DC 20090-6090
> Dear Mike:
>
> Given the number of Forest Service employees who were kind enough to
> send me
> a copy. I could not help reading your June 30th letter to all
> employees. I
> suppose that it is appropriate for you to send such a letter
immediately
>
> before the Independence Day holiday, because you seem to be declaring
> the
> Forest Service's independence from the balance of the federal
> government,
> the laws governing federal agency activities, and the utilization of
> simple
> common sense.
> Under the Provisions of the Administration Procedures Act, The
National
> Environmental Policy Act and the National Forest Management Act, we
have
>
> allowed you to propose regulations, but required you to accept public
> comments thereon, and to use those comments to evaluate how and
whether
> to
> best proceed. The public comment period is supposed to provide
agencies
> with
> necessary information to modify the direction and substance of
> rule-making.
> To be sure, over the years some elements of the public have become
jaded
>
> about the sincerity of one or another agencies' effort to hear their
> reviews. But agency heads have, at a minimum, at least tried to give
the
>
> pretense that the public's views are important. You do not.
> Your statement in the letter that "collaboration, however, does not
> alleviate our responsibility to make decisions that we believe in the
> best
> long-term interest of the land or the people who depend on and enjoy
> it,"
> represents the height of arrogance. Such a clearly decisional
> pronouncement
> during the middle of the comment period on the roadless area rule
> emphatically demonstrates that your mind is closed. Combined with
> previous
> pre-decisional statements by the President, the Vice President, the
> Secretary, and yourself, your actions are fatally tainting both this
> rule-making, and the Forest Service's reputation for integrity for
years
> to
> come.
> Worse yet, this statement strongly indicates that you are either
> unwilling,
> or perhaps unable, to appreciate what is required to successfully
> practice
> collaborative stewardship. That is especially distressing, because it
> calls
> into direct question your sincerity on a number of other matters that
we
>
> have previously discussed. The-we're willing to chat, but we know
> best-tone
> of your June 30 letter is both unhelpful and a throw-back to pre-NEPA
> agency
> behavior.
> I also fear that the hubris evident in phrases such as "we have
changed
> the
> tenor of the debate;" has left you at least slightly delusional. I
can
> find
> no other explanation for the statement immediately following that "no
> longer
> is our agenda dictated by litigation, lawsuits, and controversial
> appropriations' [sic] riders."
> In case you have not been following closely, your proposed roadless
area
>
> rule is the subject of three pending lawsuits already. Your Northwest
> Forest Plan is mired in litigation and dead in the water. As a
> consequence
> of recent litigation, you have lost the ability to conduct de-minimis
> timber
> sales using a Finding of No Significant Impact under NEPA. Last
month,
> you
> lost a lawsuit over your cancellation of the Alaska Pulp Corporation's
> timber sale contract that exposes you to $1.4 billion in liability -
an
> amount that represents 50% of the total budget appropriated to the
> Forest
> Service last year. Last week, environmental litigants filed suit to
try
> to
> stop timber harvesting completely in the Forest Service's southern
> region.
> I suggest you spend some quality time with your Office of General
> Counsel in
> the very near future.
> As to appropriations riders, I will be going to the Senate floor later
> today
> to defend your forest management budget once again from the annual
raid
> attempted by national environmental groups and their allies. Nothing
> bas
> changed on this front. With respect to my interest in an amendment to
> assure that you comply with the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA),
> you
> should understand that I have decided to forebear from acting for the
> time
> being. I have not foresworn from congressional action indefinitely.
> For
> now, I am content to await court proceedings scheduled in August.
> Depending
> upon the outcome of those proceedings, Congress may not be required to
> act
> to correct these FACA violations, or I may take this matter up again
> when
> the Interior Appropriations bill reaches Conference later this year.
> It may well be that you are, as your letter boa****lly suggests, "at
the
>
> forefront of the public lands debate." Only time will tell whether the
> political front lines are the best place to secure scientifically
sound,
>
> balanced and stable, long-term resource management goals.
> Mike, I found your letter both arrogant and offensive. I look forward
> to
> discussing this with you at our oversight hearing later this week.
> Sincerely,
>
> Larry E. Craig
>
> Chairman, Subcommittee
> on Forests and Public Land
> Management
11742 From: chiena <chiena@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:11am
Subject: GDI Radiater
Damm. MY one year old three core GDI radiater sprung a leak at the seam. The
shop I bought it from took a look at it and handed me a new one in the box.
Anyone else have a problem with a GDI.
11743 From: David Chatfield <chatfielddc@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:21am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Amen. I did upper terminator when it was brand new in my 86 CJ 7 with 2.5 lift and 31 inch tires with no problem.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: Tim Naylor ; Rick Hall ; az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Geez...you have it wrong Tim, all wrong.
You said "... if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!"
I disagree completely....if one brings a 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tire, Utah legal rig to one of the above mentioned trails, that person is ONE HELL OF AN IMPRESSIVE DRIVER! Anyone running a rig like that on any one of these trails deserves everyone's respect and admiration! Driving a 6" lift with 37" tires on those trails is the WEENIE way out. ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:07 PM
To: Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I would like to offer my most humble apologies to anyone I may have offended. I should have realized that there might be sensitive people that may be hurt by derogatory remarks aimed at their choice of upgrades for their Jeep. I realize that not everyone delights in torturing their rig by forcing up impossible cliffs and over unforgiving boulders. Not everyone wants to hear the clunks, skweeks and groans the Jeep makes as the frame is twisted, the tires are brutalized and the tie rods smashes into a rock. Some would rather give their rig the respect it deserves and treat it with gentleness and care on pavement and fine gravel roads. I know that some suffer great remorse over each small dent or blemish caused by an unfortunate off road incident. We should all respect the feelings and sensitivities of others, and again, I apologize for any hurt feelings I may have caused by my thoughtless remarks.
I would like to add, however, that if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hall [mailto:rnhall@att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:10 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the group.
11744 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 9:58am
Subject: RE: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Stu, I resemble that remark. I will be glad to drag that 4" 32" through most of those trails ;-}>
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@uswest.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:02 AM
To: Tim Naylor; Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
Geez...you have it wrong Tim, all wrong.
You said "... if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!"
I disagree completely....if one brings a 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tire, Utah legal rig to one of the above mentioned trails, that person is ONE HELL OF AN IMPRESSIVE DRIVER! Anyone running a rig like that on any one of these trails deserves everyone's respect and admiration! Driving a 6" lift with 37" tires on those trails is the WEENIE way out. ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:07 PM
To: Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I would like to offer my most humble apologies to anyone I may have offended. I should have realized that there might be sensitive people that may be hurt by derogatory remarks aimed at their choice of upgrades for their Jeep. I realize that not everyone delights in torturing their rig by forcing up impossible cliffs and over unforgiving boulders. Not everyone wants to hear the clunks, skweeks and groans the Jeep makes as the frame is twisted, the tires are brutalized and the tie rods smashes into a rock. Some would rather give their rig the respect it deserves and treat it with gentleness and care on pavement and fine gravel roads. I know that some suffer great remorse over each small dent or blemish caused by an unfortunate off road incident. We should all respect the feelings and sensitivities of others, and again, I apologize for any hurt feelings I may have caused by my thoughtless remarks.
I would like to add, however, that if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hall [mailto:rnhall@att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:10 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the group.
11745 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 5:59am
Subject: carrier
I cant get my carrier to pop free...does anyone have any suggestions?
Sharky
11746 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 10:15am
Subject: RE: carrier
Large Whacker, lots of grunt......:-)now seriously, call Steve(Shop Manager)
at 4 Wheelers and ask his advise. He will tell you one way or another.
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 10:00 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] carrier
I cant get my carrier to pop free...does anyone have any suggestions?
Sharky
11747 From: <biglowt@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 7:02am
Subject: 93 YJ for sale
If anyone knows of anybody looking for a YJ, mine is for sale.
Details are as follows:
1993 YJ Wrangler, white
60K miles
4.0L, auto, ac, ps, pb, tilt, Alpine Cd, polk speakers in dash and soundbar
full rollbar padding, full soft top, bikini top, duster cover, backseat,
seatcovers perfect interior
2.5" Rubicon Express Extreme Lift (greasable shackles, sway bar discos,
stainless steel brake lines), 30" pathfinders on custom rims, smittybilt
double tube rear bumper, smittybilt double tube with grille guard front
bumper, full side steps in matching white body color
Jeep is in almost perfect condition, doesnt leak at all, engine department is
like new, well taken care of.... nice.
asking 11500. 602-750-7346 Ask for Tom. If anyone has any opinions on
this, it will be going in auto trader soon, just wanted to let the list know
first
11748 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 0:01pm
Subject: Re: carrier
Mine was a bugger to get out... I used the biggest slide hammer I could get
ahold of. The problem was attaching the slide hammer to the carrier. The
fingers on the claw kept slipping. I think I ended up just using about 20
loops of bailing wire around the carrier. That actually didn't work very
well, but after an hour or so I think I finally got it out. I just remember
it hurt when it landed on my head.
darren
----- Original Message -----
From: <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:59 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] carrier
> I cant get my carrier to pop free...does anyone have any suggestions?
> Sharky
>
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11749 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 0:08pm
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
I still have stock springs and trackbars, 31's, and have managed to go
quite a few places i shouldn't have. Now I have a locker...
Chris
87YJ
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> From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
> To: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>; Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>;
az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utah!!
> Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:02 AM
>
Geez...you have it wrong Tim, all wrong.
You said "... if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tired, Utah legal rig to
Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE A WIENIE!!"
I disagree completely....if one brings a 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch tire, Utah
legal rig to one of the above mentioned trails, that person is ONE HELL OF
AN IMPRESSIVE DRIVER! Anyone running a rig like that on any one of these
trails deserves everyone's respect and admiration! Driving a 6" lift with
37" tires on those trails is the WEENIE way out. ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@w...]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:07 PM
To: Rick Hall; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I would like to offer my most humble apologies to anyone I may have
offended. I should have realized that there might be sensitive people that
may be hurt by derogatory remarks aimed at their choice of upgrades for
their Jeep. I realize that not everyone delights in torturing their rig by
forcing up impossible cliffs and over unforgiving boulders. Not everyone
wants to hear the clunks, skweeks and groans the Jeep makes as the frame is
twisted, the tires are brutalized and the tie rods smashes into a rock.
Some
would rather give their rig the respect it deserves and treat it with
gentleness and care on pavement and fine gravel roads. I know that some
suffer great remorse over each small dent or blemish caused by an
unfortunate off road incident. We should all respect the feelings and
sensitivities of others, and again, I apologize for any hurt feelings I may
have caused by my thoughtless remarks.
I would like to add, however, that if you bring 2.5 inch lifted 29 inch
tired, Utah legal rig to Ajax, Woodpecker, Terminator or Predator, YOU ARE
A
WIENIE!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Hall [mailto:rnhall@a...]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:10 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to
support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the
members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the
group.
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11750 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 0:31pm
Subject: fuel injectors -- continued
A friend came over and helped break free the last fuel rail bolt. Now
it's time to start the o-ring replacement. I think getting the rail and
injectors out will be relatively easy, but what about getting them back
in? Keith Orr mentioned putting a little light oil on the o-rings, but
his follow-up suggestions went to my work email. Do the injectors and
fuel rail need to be gently pressed back into the manifold, or can the
assembly be gently tapped back into place? I have never done this
before and the manual just says 'reseat injectors'. I have secondary
transportation so the Jeep can sit forever in the barn if need be.
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
Linda
11751 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 0:58pm
Subject: Re: [arizonaXJ] fuel injectors -- continued
Light oil like wd-40 or machine oil and they should just press in. I've
had the best luck putting the injectors on the fuel bar first and then
putting them in the manifold but the other way works also.
LindaL wrote:
>
> A friend came over and helped break free the last fuel rail bolt. Now
> it's time to start the o-ring replacement. I think getting the rail and
> injectors out will be relatively easy, but what about getting them back
> in? Keith Orr mentioned putting a little light oil on the o-rings, but
> his follow-up suggestions went to my work email. Do the injectors and
> fuel rail need to be gently pressed back into the manifold, or can the
> assembly be gently tapped back into place? I have never done this
> before and the manual just says 'reseat injectors'. I have secondary
> transportation so the Jeep can sit forever in the barn if need be.
>
> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!
> Thanks!
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> arizonaXJ-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11752 From: Randy Davis <davisrandy2@n...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 8:35am
Subject: night run
HI ALL
Randy Here,A Few Of Us Are Going To The P4W Ranch
To Play Around On The Hills And Have Some fun You
Are All Welcomed To Join Us We Will Meet At The
Circel K At 83AVE & Union Hills At 5:30pm And
Leave At 5:45pm Hope To See You There
Randy 90 Black YJ Locked & Lifted
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11753 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 3:35pm
Subject: Sunday runs?
Is anything planned for tomorrow that you may want to add a vehicle to the list of participants? Looking to try out my new mods.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
11754 From: Alan Wicker <sandy@g...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 4:04pm
Subject: Charleau Gap !!!!!!
Unfortunately i will not be going on the Charleau Gap run. On the
way back from Chiva I blew a radiator hose and sprung a fuel leak.
The fuel leak is minor and requires tightnening some clamps but both
radiator hoses need replacing. So tommorrow will be spent on the
jeep.
Have fun
Alan Wicker 94YJ SOA
11755 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 4:12pm
Subject: fuel injectors --- thanks!!
Thanks to all that provided advice on how to remove and install the
injectors and fuel rail. Got the job done in 4 hours.The two rear
connectors were extremely difficult to get off since there is not good
angle and, being 5'4", not able to easily reach them. I don't want
to do this again for a long long time!
Thanks again!
Linda
11756 From: Leah Eliscu <jeep@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 3:27pm
Subject: Re: Sean's Jeep TJ for sale!! Rockcrawling at it's finest
Sheesh, that was pretty harsh on 'ol Sean.
Of course you NEVER take your TJ out and
beat it a little. ;-) Don't forget I was under it once.
Leah
>forgot a few parts on description: been in bad wreck and beat to hell
>whenever sean four-wheeled.
>jake
>99 tj "sparky"
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11757 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 5:25pm
Subject: Re: [arizonaXJ] fuel injectors --- thanks!!
I was thinking of putting higher flow injectors in mine. Now that you
are an expert, would you do it for me?
LindaL wrote:
>
> Thanks to all that provided advice on how to remove and install the
> injectors and fuel rail. Got the job done in 4 hours.The two rear
> connectors were extremely difficult to get off since there is not good
> angle and, being 5'4", not able to easily reach them. I don't want
> to do this again for a long long time!
>
> Thanks again!
> Linda
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> arizonaXJ-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11758 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 1:30pm
Subject: Thanks
I just wanted to send out a big thanks to those people who offered thier
knowledge when it was needed. I got the project done and it works fine. Once
again thank you for taking the time to answer my questions and helping me
out, it was greatly appreciated :)
I only got 5 responses but they were all on the money...I guess if I want
more responce next time I will ask an important question like what color I
should paint it hehehe.
Once again thanks to those who helped
Sharky
11759 From: az cattledogg <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 11:24am
Subject: NONE JEEP RELATED.motorcycle for sale
Hey i am trying to sell my 96 CBR900RR.I would perfer to just have some one
take over payments.If any one is interested please e-mail me on the back
burner at twistedxj@h... or if you have any questions about the
bike.i will try and send some pics to(if they work)
Thanks,
Travis Wall
89XJ
twistedxj@h...
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=794894&a=7309899
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11760 From: ebnhils:First ebnhils:Last <ebnhils@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 7:49pm
Subject: Spring over help
Hello all,
I am performing a spring over next weekend and need some help. I am unable to find a spec for at what angle I should set the front spring perches compared to the caster angle? I have a 92 YJ 4.0 5speed/231 with stock front and rear axles, 1/2 inch lift shackles and an add a leaf front and rear. I will also have a one inch body lift with one inch motor mount, a belly up skid plate and a transfer case short shaft kit. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Eben
11761 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 7:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: [arizonaXJ] fuel injectors --- thanks!!
LOL!!!! Wait until I'm in a better mood!
Linda
Leonard K. Pennock wrote:
> I was thinking of putting higher flow injectors in mine. Now that you
> are an expert, would you do it for me?
>
> LindaL wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to all that provided advice on how to remove and install the
> > injectors and fuel rail. Got the job done in 4 hours.The two rear
> > connectors were extremely difficult to get off since there is not good
> > angle and, being 5'4", not able to easily reach them. I don't want
> > to do this again for a long long time!
> >
> > Thanks again!
> > Linda
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > arizonaXJ-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
>
11762 From: <fourwhlcrzy@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 19, 2000 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Spring over help
check caster angle before you take anything apart. should be between 3 an
5degreesback(top of the axis should point back) just make it the same when
its all back together. driveshaft angle will suffer, but compensating for
that will affect steering. hope thi helps. good luck
Daren 52 M38