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11688 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:53pm
Subject: TR 8/18 ower Terminator ZJ run
I'm still going to lower Terminator Friday 8/18 for all those interested.
We could use more vehicles to help tow out parts, I think we got enough
"helpers/spectators".
Email me back if you can make it. I'll be leaving the Table Mesa parking lot
at 5:00pm. Mike Anderson is going to round up a group at 7:00pm and take
them to the trail. Bring chain, work gloves water etc. See you out there.
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
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11689 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 8:11am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I suspect that Utah is not targetting vehicles with out of state plates.
Since they are only targetting Jeeps then I'll take the truck to Moab
instead!
The only 'lift law' in Arizona states that 1/2-ton or heavier trucks
must have mud flaps if the tire size is larger than the ones put on at
the factory. Suburbans, Blazers, FS Broncos, etc. are classified as
station wagons so are not affected by this law.
No. There is no bumper height law in Az. The bumper height law people
talk about is for commercial vehicles used for interstate transporting.
No. There is no headlight height law in Az. Again, there are headlight
laws for commericial vehicles used for interestate transporting. But it
makes sense to readjust your headlights if you have 4" suspension lift,
2" body lift, and are running 35" tires.
Neither the bumper height or headlight height laws pertain to privately
owned vehicles in Arizona. Though I suspect that there are members of
law enforcement agencies that do occassionally write repair tickets.
Linda
Tim Naylor wrote:
>
> >Subject: Arizona Lift Laws
> >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bunyip.flash.net id
> QAA22411
> >
> >I am in Utah an looking for a contact that can inform me about lift laws
> on 4x4 vehicles in Arizona. Utah is ticketing any Jeep with a 4" lift and
> 33" tires as being unsafe. My wife was told to remove her new 33" tires
> and replace them with smaller ones. I am trying to get the lift law
> changed. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> This is a copy of an email that was sent to one of the Tucson Rough Riders
> members. At first, I thought this could not be true because of the
> literally thousands of modified off road vehicles that make the trip to Moab
> Utah each year, and I have never heard of anyone being ticketed because of
> modifications. I decided to find out what I could about the Utah laws,
> since I am going to be in Moab myself next month. I will be driving a Jeep
> with 35 inch tires and about 6 inches of body and suspension lift. I spoke
> with a Utah Highway Patrol officer, who works in the Moab area. This is what
> he told me.
> "Restrictive lift laws have been on the books in Utah for many years. These
> laws are not stringently enforced, but can be used at the law officers’
> discretion." The law uses a formula to calculate how much lift your vehicle
> is allowed. Here is how it works. For vehicles with under 100 inch wheel
> base.. multiply the wheel base in inches by the wheel track and divide by
> 2200. The result is how many inches of mechanical lift you are allowed.
> Example, my Jeep has a 92 inch wheel base and a 63 inch track. 92 x 63 =
> 5796. 5796/2200=2.6. Under the law I am allowed a 2.6 inch mechanical lift
> and can increase tire size up to 2.6 inches higher than stock. So in the
> real world, I may have a 2.5 inch lift and maybe 32 inch tires to be street
> legal in Utah. If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires, I still would
> not be legal. I would also have fender flairs as wide as the tires, mud
> flaps and full width bumpers. Vehicles with more than a 100 inch wheel base
> could have up to an 8 inch lift. These laws apply to street driving and
> there are no restrictions if you are off road.
> I have not been able to find anyone who knows of any restrictive laws like
> this in Arizona. I recently had to have a safety inspection done on my Jeep
> by the Department of Motor Vehicles in Tucson, because of recent accident.
> The inspection was through; it took almost an hour for the inspector to go
> through his checklist. The only suggestion they had was that I fix a cracked
> taillight. From this experience, I have concluded that there are presently,
> no lift restriction laws here.
> If anyone has more information about any Arizona “lift laws”, and would like
> to reply to the email sent by the Utah resident, his address is
> Craig-S@ipsc.com. I’m sure we would all support his efforts to get the Utah
> law changed. We wouldn’t want laws like this to creep into Arizona. Lets
> give him some encouragement.
>
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11690 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 8:41am
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
Hi guys, I had a lockrite in the front of my Jeep since I bought it. I ran a front locker only for a year or so. I now have front and rear ARB's and I will never go back. I can control my Jeep a 100% better and when it locks it locks hard. If you use your head and install it right it has less problems then other lockers and is much harder to break. Also, by cutting out your lockers when you do not need them you are putting less ware on the rest of the drivetrain. The ARBs where not much more than Detroits.
Ross
84 & 79 CJ7
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:46 PM
To: Scott Kruize
Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
Scott,
As you know, my rig is set up almost the same as yours, except I don't have a 4 to 1 gears, (and I think I have out don you in the dent department) I do have a 2wd low range kit in my transfer case. I can easily move the front in and out of 4wd while my rear Detroit keeps doing it's job. I think this gives me the same advantages as having an ARB in the front, without the hassels of air pumps and tubes. The cost of a No Slip and 2wd low range is probably less than an ARB. Now if I could just get 4 to 1 gears, it would be the ideal combination.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:53 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit in the rear rarely makes any noise as well. It is well behaved compared to the drop in lockers. I think a Detroit in the rear is a sound bulletproof choice. I like the Powertrax up front but sometimes think an ARB does have some advantages.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@velocityhsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11691 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 8:47am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I have to disagree(unless the officer was writing a bogus ticket). I have a
friend that has a Suburban lifted on 44's. He was stopped even though his
lights were adjusted downward he was sighted for his headlights being too
high. I also(don't like to claim this) that have lowered their vehicles and
were sighted for their lights being too low. I do not remember the exact
inches, but I have several fris that have been cited in Arizona. The all
relocated lights and the tickets were dismissed. Now this was a few years
ago so it is possible that somehow these were removed from the books. It
may have been that the officers applied the commercial laws to public
vehicles, either way they were cited.
The only other law I have ever heard of for Arizona was one that applied to
all 50 states. It made it illegal to put blocks under the front axle leaf
springs for a lift. The reason for this was that blocks allow more flex and
if you hit a curb or good pothole it could allow the front axle to rotate
slightly and the whole front end could come apart, thus making the vehicle
loose total control. If the rear comes apart you can still steer the front.
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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fool forever."
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:11:37 -0700, Linda Luik wrote:
> I suspect that Utah is not targetting vehicles with out of state plates.
> Since they are only targetting Jeeps then I'll take the truck to Moab
> instead!
>
> The only 'lift law' in Arizona states that 1/2-ton or heavier trucks
> must have mud flaps if the tire size is larger than the ones put on at
> the factory. Suburbans, Blazers, FS Broncos, etc. are classified as
> station wagons so are not affected by this law.
>
> No. There is no bumper height law in Az. The bumper height law people
> talk about is for commercial vehicles used for interstate transporting.
>
> No. There is no headlight height law in Az. Again, there are headlight
> laws for commericial vehicles used for interestate transporting. But it
> makes sense to readjust your headlights if you have 4" suspension lift,
> 2" body lift, and are running 35" tires.
>
> Neither the bumper height or headlight height laws pertain to privately
> owned vehicles in Arizona. Though I suspect that there are members of
> law enforcement agencies that do occassionally write repair tickets.
>
> Linda
>
>
> Tim Naylor wrote:
> >
> > >Subject: Arizona Lift Laws
> > >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by
bunyip.flash.net id
> > QAA22411
> > >
> > >I am in Utah an looking for a contact that can inform me about lift
laws
> > on 4x4 vehicles in Arizona. Utah is ticketing any Jeep with a 4" lift
and
> > 33" tires as being unsafe. My wife was told to remove her new 33"
tires
> > and replace them with smaller ones. I am trying to get the lift law
> > changed. Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > This is a copy of an email that was sent to one of the Tucson Rough
Riders
> > members. At first, I thought this could not be true because of the
> > literally thousands of modified off road vehicles that make the trip to
Moab
> > Utah each year, and I have never heard of anyone being ticketed because
of
> > modifications. I decided to find out what I could about the Utah laws,
> > since I am going to be in Moab myself next month. I will be driving a
Jeep
> > with 35 inch tires and about 6 inches of body and suspension lift. I
spoke
> > with a Utah Highway Patrol officer, who works in the Moab area. This is
what
> > he told me.
> > "Restrictive lift laws have been on the books in Utah for many years.
These
> > laws are not stringently enforced, but can be used at the law officers’
> > discretion." The law uses a formula to calculate how much lift your
vehicle
> > is allowed. Here is how it works. For vehicles with under 100 inch
wheel
> > base.. multiply the wheel base in inches by the wheel track and divide
by
> > 2200. The result is how many inches of mechanical lift you are allowed.
> > Example, my Jeep has a 92 inch wheel base and a 63 inch track. 92 x 63
=
> > 5796. 5796/2200=2.6. Under the law I am allowed a 2.6 inch mechanical
lift
> > and can increase tire size up to 2.6 inches higher than stock. So in
the
> > real world, I may have a 2.5 inch lift and maybe 32 inch tires to be
street
> > legal in Utah. If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires, I still
would
> > not be legal. I would also have fender flairs as wide as the tires, mud
> > flaps and full width bumpers. Vehicles with more than a 100 inch wheel
base
> > could have up to an 8 inch lift. These laws apply to street driving and
> > there are no restrictions if you are off road.
> > I have not been able to find anyone who knows of any restrictive laws
like
> > this in Arizona. I recently had to have a safety inspection done on my
Jeep
> > by the Department of Motor Vehicles in Tucson, because of recent
accident.
> > The inspection was through; it took almost an hour for the inspector to
go
> > through his checklist. The only suggestion they had was that I fix a
cracked
> > taillight. From this experience, I have concluded that there are
presently,
> > no lift restriction laws here.
> > If anyone has more information about any Arizona “lift laws”, and would
like
> > to reply to the email sent by the Utah resident, his address is
> > Craig-S@i.... I’m sure we would all support his efforts to get the
Utah
> > law changed. We wouldn’t want laws like this to creep into Arizona.
Lets
> > give him some encouragement.
> >
> >
>
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11692 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:19am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
Blocks on the front axle are dangerous, but people do it. I think it's
more a safety issue than anything else.
A friend of mine has a 1965 Chevelle station wagon 4x4 (33" tires)custom
built using Wagoneer parts. She's been cited for not having mud flaps.
Not sure what happened. She probably put mud flaps on as a courtesy.
Remember that these are repair orders, not moving citations, but I think
that there is some record keeping by law enforcement agencies.
There's a URL that covers these laws. I think it's an easy search. I
don't have time today to look for it.
Linda
"Chris R." wrote:
>
> I have to disagree(unless the officer was writing a bogus ticket). I have a
> friend that has a Suburban lifted on 44's. He was stopped even though his
> lights were adjusted downward he was sighted for his headlights being too
> high. I also(don't like to claim this) that have lowered their vehicles and
> were sighted for their lights being too low. I do not remember the exact
> inches, but I have several fris that have been cited in Arizona. The all
> relocated lights and the tickets were dismissed. Now this was a few years
> ago so it is possible that somehow these were removed from the books. It
> may have been that the officers applied the commercial laws to public
> vehicles, either way they were cited.
>
> The only other law I have ever heard of for Arizona was one that applied to
> all 50 states. It made it illegal to put blocks under the front axle leaf
> springs for a lift. The reason for this was that blocks allow more flex and
> if you hit a curb or good pothole it could allow the front axle to rotate
> slightly and the whole front end could come apart, thus making the vehicle
> loose total control. If the rear comes apart you can still steer the front.
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@excite.com
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> fool forever."
>
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:11:37 -0700, Linda Luik wrote:
>
> > I suspect that Utah is not targetting vehicles with out of state plates.
> > Since they are only targetting Jeeps then I'll take the truck to Moab
> > instead!
> >
> > The only 'lift law' in Arizona states that 1/2-ton or heavier trucks
> > must have mud flaps if the tire size is larger than the ones put on at
> > the factory. Suburbans, Blazers, FS Broncos, etc. are classified as
> > station wagons so are not affected by this law.
> >
> > No. There is no bumper height law in Az. The bumper height law people
> > talk about is for commercial vehicles used for interstate transporting.
> >
> > No. There is no headlight height law in Az. Again, there are headlight
> > laws for commericial vehicles used for interestate transporting. But it
> > makes sense to readjust your headlights if you have 4" suspension lift,
> > 2" body lift, and are running 35" tires.
> >
> > Neither the bumper height or headlight height laws pertain to privately
> > owned vehicles in Arizona. Though I suspect that there are members of
> > law enforcement agencies that do occassionally write repair tickets.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
> > Tim Naylor wrote:
> > >
> > > >Subject: Arizona Lift Laws
> > > >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by
> bunyip.flash.net id
> > > QAA22411
> > > >
> > > >I am in Utah an looking for a contact that can inform me about lift
> laws
> > > on 4x4 vehicles in Arizona. Utah is ticketing any Jeep with a 4" lift
> and
> > > 33" tires as being unsafe. My wife was told to remove her new 33"
> tires
> > > and replace them with smaller ones. I am trying to get the lift law
> > > changed. Any help would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > This is a copy of an email that was sent to one of the Tucson Rough
> Riders
> > > members. At first, I thought this could not be true because of the
> > > literally thousands of modified off road vehicles that make the trip to
> Moab
> > > Utah each year, and I have never heard of anyone being ticketed because
> of
> > > modifications. I decided to find out what I could about the Utah laws,
> > > since I am going to be in Moab myself next month. I will be driving a
> Jeep
> > > with 35 inch tires and about 6 inches of body and suspension lift. I
> spoke
> > > with a Utah Highway Patrol officer, who works in the Moab area. This is
> what
> > > he told me.
> > > "Restrictive lift laws have been on the books in Utah for many years.
> These
> > > laws are not stringently enforced, but can be used at the law officers’
> > > discretion." The law uses a formula to calculate how much lift your
> vehicle
> > > is allowed. Here is how it works. For vehicles with under 100 inch
> wheel
> > > base.. multiply the wheel base in inches by the wheel track and divide
> by
> > > 2200. The result is how many inches of mechanical lift you are allowed.
> > > Example, my Jeep has a 92 inch wheel base and a 63 inch track. 92 x 63
> =
> > > 5796. 5796/2200=2.6. Under the law I am allowed a 2.6 inch mechanical
> lift
> > > and can increase tire size up to 2.6 inches higher than stock. So in
> the
> > > real world, I may have a 2.5 inch lift and maybe 32 inch tires to be
> street
> > > legal in Utah. If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires, I still
> would
> > > not be legal. I would also have fender flairs as wide as the tires, mud
> > > flaps and full width bumpers. Vehicles with more than a 100 inch wheel
> base
> > > could have up to an 8 inch lift. These laws apply to street driving and
> > > there are no restrictions if you are off road.
> > > I have not been able to find anyone who knows of any restrictive laws
> like
> > > this in Arizona. I recently had to have a safety inspection done on my
> Jeep
> > > by the Department of Motor Vehicles in Tucson, because of recent
> accident.
> > > The inspection was through; it took almost an hour for the inspector to
> go
> > > through his checklist. The only suggestion they had was that I fix a
> cracked
> > > taillight. From this experience, I have concluded that there are
> presently,
> > > no lift restriction laws here.
> > > If anyone has more information about any Arizona “lift laws”, and would
> like
> > > to reply to the email sent by the Utah resident, his address is
> > > Craig-S@ipsc.com. I’m sure we would all support his efforts to get the
> Utah
> > > law changed. We wouldn’t want laws like this to creep into Arizona.
> Lets
> > > give him some encouragement.
> > >
> > >
>
> >
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11693 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:17am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
Arizona Revised Statutes
Title 28 - Transportation
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/28/title28.htm
"Chris R." wrote:
> I have to disagree(unless the officer was writing a bogus ticket). I have a
> friend that has a Suburban lifted on 44's. He was stopped even though his
> lights were adjusted downward he was sighted for his headlights being too
> high. I also(don't like to claim this) that have lowered their vehicles and
> were sighted for their lights being too low. I do not remember the exact
> inches, but I have several fris that have been cited in Arizona. The all
> relocated lights and the tickets were dismissed. Now this was a few years
> ago so it is possible that somehow these were removed from the books. It
> may have been that the officers applied the commercial laws to public
> vehicles, either way they were cited.
28-924. Motor vehicle head lamps
C. A head lamp on a motor vehicle, including a motorcycle, an
all-terrain vehicle and a motor driven cycle, shall be located at a
height of not more than fifty-four inches nor less than twenty-four
inches to be measured as provided in section 28-923, subsection B.
(28-923 B. states that the measurement is from the center of the light.)
> The only other law I have ever heard of for Arizona was one that applied to
> all 50 states. It made it illegal to put blocks under the front axle leaf
> springs for a lift. The reason for this was that blocks allow more flex and
> if you hit a curb or good pothole it could allow the front axle to rotate
> slightly and the whole front end could come apart, thus making the vehicle
> loose total control. If the rear comes apart you can still steer the front.
I'm pretty sure that this is not a federal law. There are some states
in the south (can't remember which specific ones, I'd have to look it
up) that allow 2" lift blocks in front. Not that this is a good idea,
but I have seen it on dedicated mud trucks without any trouble.
11694 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:23am
Subject: Charleau Gap !!!!!!
Charleau Gap is on Sunday, we will go as far as we can, the wash
might be flooded when we get there.
For those of you who want to go here is the deal.
We will meet at my house no later than 6:00 am then go to my father-
in-laws' house then to the gap.
I will be home tonight.
my number is 296-9673 names Larry
Call me and I will give you directions to my house, If you live or
will be staying in the Northwest part of Tucson, We will meet you at
the Gas station on RIver and Oracle beetween 7:00 and 7:30 am.
Let us know how many will be there so that we do not leave anyone
behind.
E-mail me at larry@d... for counting reasons
11695 From: <aphrodsyak@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 5:28am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift (weinie llift)
Lets not take EVERYTHING personal.. I cant imagine someone having nothing
else in their lives to get worked up over that this should bother them....
WATER OFF A DUCKS BACK PEOPLE sheesh.... do we have to watch everything we
say. I mean anything you say can bother somebody. LIGHTEN UP!!! That is
all..
11696 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:15am
Subject: Re: tj locker
Nick,
Many years ago there was a company developing electric lockers. Development went on for several years and the product never came to market. Many people were holding out in anticipation since no air lines were necessary.Many people also waited for the "New" Detroit Gearless locker until last year only to find out that it had a tendency to grenade :( I'd just go ahead and order a Detroit softlocker, ARB, or Powertrax and enjoy the benefits and don't hold out for something that is untested and may never become available.
Scott
Nnote wrote:
Like I said a few weeks ago a cable locker is being developed for the dana series locker. It's on a website under the name 'oxtrax'. I think this would be everyone's best option. I'm holding out...
Nick
Nnote@neta.com
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11697 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:40am
Subject: Adjustable Track Bars
How do you know where to adjust your track bar to? I am experiencing bump
steer and RE told me to adjust my track bar but they didn't know where to
adjust it to. I'm getting tired of constantly steering to go straight.
Please HELP!!
Pete
11698 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 4:18am
Subject: Re: tj locker
I checked out their web page (oxtrax.com)....sounded promising, but I didn't
particularly like their test methods....they have a pic of their jeep
climbing a tree....now, is it just me or does anyone else feel that this
kind of pic is something that could be exploited by the green weenies????
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11699 From: Matthew Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 4:27am
Subject: 2.5L to 4.0L swap
Hi all! Just checking to see if anybody has performed one of these and what
all is involved besides the transmission, bell housing, computer,
transmission, etc... I just bought my YJ back from the insurance company
for the measly sum of $1000, so after all is said and done I will have just
under $11,000 to play with. I figure after buying a new hood, windshield
frame and windshield I'll have plenty left over for the rest. Right now I
have a 4 cyl w/ 33's, Advance Adapters SYE, and a bunch of other stuff, so
I'd like to just keep what I have and put in a new motor. I figure the 4.0
will do what I need and save a lot of headaches of a V8 swap, and I will
gain the added power with the gears since they are already 4.11s. All I am
really trying to figure out is what other kinds of issues am I leaving out?
I'm not sure about driveshaft lengths, input spline, etc... Any help out
there? Also I've gotten an e-mail from somebody here selling a 4.0L out of
a '97. Is this any different from the 92-95's? Thanks for the help.
Matt B.
94 YJ
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11700 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 11:59am
Subject:
I have the following parts for a CJ-7 for sale:
Factory hard top, no doors $250
New Steel horse stainless door hinges $10
New Currie Twin stick shifter w/ boot $75
*THE FOLLOWING PARTS ARE FOR A 258 SIX BANGER
Dip stick and tube $5
Oil pan $ 5
Timing chain cover $ 10
New NAPA timing chain set $ 15
Used cylinder head $ 10
Used 3 core radiator $ 15
Fly wheel and clutch Free
Brackets , pulleys and belt for a
serpentine set up $ 5
Mallory Unilite distributor $ 15
MSD spark plug wires $5
"e" mail me if you are interested. Or call after 6:00 480-491-2171
Thanks !
Blake
11701 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 0:31pm
Subject: tj locker and ox
Ya TJ, I saw that picture climbing up a tree. It sucks when a bad company has a potentialy good product. It definatly wasn't the proper way to display their product. Scott, they said the product should be available by september, if it is or not who knows...
All the old toyota landcruisers came with a cable locker and it was the best thing out there, still would be. This whole traction device decision is difficult. More I guess it's the money part or else I'd say arb's all around...
Nick
Nnote@neta.com
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11702 From: Jason Grover <v-jgro@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:49am
Subject: RE: Adjustable Track Bars
In a TJ I assume? With mine, I lifted the Jeep off the ground by the bumper
to take the weight off of the front axle. I disconnected the track bar so
the axle hung straight then I put the Jeep down. With the axle in it's
proper place, I adjusted my track bar appropriately..
HTH!
Jason (hates all the suspension components the TJ's have.. man I long for
the benefits of leafs...)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Wirch [mailto:wirch@m...]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:40 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Adjustable Track Bars
How do you know where to adjust your track bar to? I am experiencing bump
steer and RE told me to adjust my track bar but they didn't know where to
adjust it to. I'm getting tired of constantly steering to go straight.
Please HELP!!
Pete
11703 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 0:54pm
Subject: Opinions on RE's new Long Arm Kit Upgrade
Considering I need to get all new control arms for my Jeep I am considering
the RE Long Arm Kit Upgrade which consists of the Flat Belly Pan and all the
control arms. I don't know much about the benefits of the long arms but RE
has told me that my TJ will drive much much nicer on the street with a 3"-6"
lift. I currently have a 3" but am thinking about going to 4" or 5" via
spacers. These arms would allow me to do that. I just want people opinions
about long arms kits. WHAT ARE THE BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM????
Thanks,
Pete
11704 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:45pm
Subject: Re: Opinions on RE's new Long Arm Kit Upgrade
Pete,
From what I've gathered the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. Better offroad flex, increased clearnace at the t-case, much better ride on street, eliminates the problem of torque induced body roll which is common with all of the other lift kits. One drawback is that the longer arm may tend to drag on the rocks more often. I am very happy with the RE ultimate kit that I purchased last year. If I had bought my TJ now I would definitely go with the new kit for the reasons listed above. But since my TJ is not a daily driver I won't be upgrading.
Good luck,
Scott
Pete Wirch wrote:
Considering I need to get all new control arms for my Jeep I am considering
the RE Long Arm Kit Upgrade which consists of the Flat Belly Pan and all the
control arms. I don't know much about the benefits of the long arms but RE
has told me that my TJ will drive much much nicer on the street with a 3"-6"
lift. I currently have a 3" but am thinking about going to 4" or 5" via
spacers. These arms would allow me to do that. I just want people opinions
about long arms kits. WHAT ARE THE BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM????
Thanks,
Pete
Pete,
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11705 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:47am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
HEAR HEAR!!!!
STEVE
11706 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:48pm
Subject: Re: Adjustable Track Bars
I am in no way an expert on this stuff so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
But here's my understanding:
Steering geometry is tricky. Drag link angle, sway bars and track bars
all figure into the equation. When the tires go over a bump, the axle
moves up, closer to the frame. This causes the drag link to "push" on
the Pitman arm because it shortens the distance between the point where
the drag link connects to the tie rod and the point where it connects to
the Pitman arm on the steering box. If you hold the steering wheel steady,
then the wheels turn instead. The track bar needs to deflect the axle
away from the steering box so as to offset the "push" on the Pitman arm.
The smaller the angle between the drag link and the axle, the less the
deflection that the track bar must provide. So, in a stock set-up with
the drag link almost parallel to the axle, there doesn't need to be much
deflection.
Note that axle articulation can also cause the drag link to push or pull
the Pitman arm. Use of a sway bar on the road can help reduce this.
As for adjusting your track bar, how do you adjust it? I thought there
was simply a clamp to loosen when off-road and tighten when on-road.
(I'm assuming we're talking about one of those telescoping track bars.)
Given this, the only way to tighten it in different positions is to
park the vehicle on a side hill or to put one tire up on a rock. I
don't recommend this. In the case of a TJ, the track bars also position
the axles from side to side since coil springs can't do that. From this
standpoint, the track bars should be adjusted so the axles are centered
under the vehicle.
From looking at your Member's Rigs entry, you don't seem to have much more
lift than a lot of others with TJ's and they don't seem to be complaining
about bump steer. I suggest looking for warn or bent steering components.
If that fails, you may need to consider modifying the steering to mount on
top of the steering knuckles thereby reducing angles.
-Roger
Pete Wirch wrote:
>
> How do you know where to adjust your track bar to? I am experiencing bump
> steer and RE told me to adjust my track bar but they didn't know where to
> adjust it to. I'm getting tired of constantly steering to go straight.
> Please HELP!!
>
> Pete
11707 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:54pm
Subject: RE: Adjustable Track Bars
Here's how I do it:
Remove the nut on the frame end. Have a helper turn the steering wheel slightly until there is no binding on the bolt so it will drop out. I then use a yardstick and stand it up against the front tire and measure the gap between the fender and yardstick on both sides. Have your helper turn the steering wheel slightly and you will notice that without the trackbar the body will shift from side to side in relation to the axle. Have your helper move the steering wheel until the axle is centered. Use the yardstick again, and adjust the trackbar and bolt it up while your helper holds the steering wheel steady. This can be done without a helper adjusting the steering but theres a lot more trial and error going back and forth until you get it right.
Your steering wheel will probably not be centered after this so you will also need to adjust the draglink.
Thats it!
Scott Kruize
Jason Grover wrote:
In a TJ I assume? With mine, I lifted the Jeep off the ground by the bumper
to take the weight off of the front axle. I disconnected the track bar so
the axle hung straight then I put the Jeep down. With the axle in it's
proper place, I adjusted my track bar appropriately..
HTH!
Jason (hates all the suspension components the TJ's have.. man I long for
the benefits of leafs...)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Wirch [mailto:wirch@mindless.com]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:40 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Adjustable Track Bars
How do you know where to adjust your track bar to? I am experiencing bump
steer and RE told me to adjust my track bar but they didn't know where to
adjust it to. I'm getting tired of constantly steering to go straight.
Please HELP!!
Pete
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11708 From: Jason Grover <v-jgro@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:48pm
Subject: RE: Opinions on RE's new Long Arm Kit Upgrade
I have thought about going that route myself (but without a kit) but my main
concern is the fact that there is a LOT of arm exposed and a good chance one
could get bent coming off of a step or something. A guy I know has a Sami
with a coil kit and similar arms and he has bent a couple. I don't know if
it's that kits design or what.
I have heard the same thing from other sources that a longer control arm
will better the ride quality...
If you do go that route, please post the results to the list as I would live
to know how it works.
Jason (suffers from short "control arm" syndrome, glad my wife loves me
anyhow ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Wirch [mailto:wirch@m...]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 12:54 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Opinions on RE's new Long Arm Kit Upgrade
Considering I need to get all new control arms for my Jeep I am considering
the RE Long Arm Kit Upgrade which consists of the Flat Belly Pan and all the
control arms. I don't know much about the benefits of the long arms but RE
has told me that my TJ will drive much much nicer on the street with a 3"-6"
lift. I currently have a 3" but am thinking about going to 4" or 5" via
spacers. These arms would allow me to do that. I just want people opinions
about long arms kits. WHAT ARE THE BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM????
Thanks,
Pete
11709 From: Jason Grover <v-jgro@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 2:01pm
Subject: No AC even an option?
As I mentioned, I am moving down there this winter. I have a 97 TJ with no AC because well, there is absolutely NO use for AC on a Jeep in WA. But when it's 120 down there, is no AC even an option? Is it doable to just run a bikini top in the summer (for the shade)
Or maybe I should try to get the AC while up here (and in far less demand)
Thoughts?
Jason (it's 65 and rainy here now.. so long summer)
11710 From: <pvnuc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:03am
Subject: Fwd: FW: Findings
From: "Chapin, William D(Z99449)" WCHAPIN@a...
To: "'pvnuc@a...'" pvnuc@a...
Subject: FW: Findings
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:18:19 -0700
> Subject: NTSB FINDINGS
>
> THE NATIONAL TRAFFIC AND SAFETY BOARD RECENTLY
> DIVULGED THAT THEY HAD COVERTLY FUNDED A PROJECT
> WITH THE U.S. AUTOMAKERS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS
> WHEREBY THE AUTO MAKERS WERE INSTALLING BLACK BOXES
> IN FOUR WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES IN AN EFFORT TO
> DETERMINE, IN FATAL CRASHES, THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN
> THE LAST 15 SECONDS BEFORE THE CRASH. THEY WERE
> SUPRISED TO FIND IN 49 OF THE 50 STATES THE LAST
> WORDS OF THE DRIVERS WERE, "OH ****!" ONLY THE
> STATE OF ARIZONA WAS DIFFERENT WHERE 89.3 PERCENT
> OF THE FINAL WORDS WERE " HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS!"
>
>
>
>
11711 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 2:05pm
Subject: Re: Opinions on RE's new Long Arm Kit Upgrade
Benefits would be more wheel travel, smoother ride and less tendency for
rear axle to try to walk under the vehicle instead of pushing the vehicle
(more of an issue with taller lifts). Disadvantages are what Scott said -
better chance of dragging on rocks.
-Roger
Pete Wirch wrote:
>
> Considering I need to get all new control arms for my Jeep I am considering
> the RE Long Arm Kit Upgrade which consists of the Flat Belly Pan and all the
> control arms. I don't know much about the benefits of the long arms but RE
> has told me that my TJ will drive much much nicer on the street with a 3"-6"
> lift. I currently have a 3" but am thinking about going to 4" or 5" via
> spacers. These arms would allow me to do that. I just want people opinions
> about long arms kits. WHAT ARE THE BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM????
>
> Thanks,
> Pete
11712 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:29am
Subject: Re: No AC even an option?
I do it for now. I don't drive very far to work. (6 miles) and besides its
only really hot for 3 months.
Steve
11688 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:53pm
Subject: TR 8/18 ower Terminator ZJ run
I'm still going to lower Terminator Friday 8/18 for all those interested.
We could use more vehicles to help tow out parts, I think we got enough
"helpers/spectators".
Email me back if you can make it. I'll be leaving the Table Mesa parking lot
at 5:00pm. Mike Anderson is going to round up a group at 7:00pm and take
them to the trail. Bring chain, work gloves water etc. See you out there.
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
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11689 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 8:11am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I suspect that Utah is not targetting vehicles with out of state plates.
Since they are only targetting Jeeps then I'll take the truck to Moab
instead!
The only 'lift law' in Arizona states that 1/2-ton or heavier trucks
must have mud flaps if the tire size is larger than the ones put on at
the factory. Suburbans, Blazers, FS Broncos, etc. are classified as
station wagons so are not affected by this law.
No. There is no bumper height law in Az. The bumper height law people
talk about is for commercial vehicles used for interstate transporting.
No. There is no headlight height law in Az. Again, there are headlight
laws for commericial vehicles used for interestate transporting. But it
makes sense to readjust your headlights if you have 4" suspension lift,
2" body lift, and are running 35" tires.
Neither the bumper height or headlight height laws pertain to privately
owned vehicles in Arizona. Though I suspect that there are members of
law enforcement agencies that do occassionally write repair tickets.
Linda
Tim Naylor wrote:
>
> >Subject: Arizona Lift Laws
> >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bunyip.flash.net id
> QAA22411
> >
> >I am in Utah an looking for a contact that can inform me about lift laws
> on 4x4 vehicles in Arizona. Utah is ticketing any Jeep with a 4" lift and
> 33" tires as being unsafe. My wife was told to remove her new 33" tires
> and replace them with smaller ones. I am trying to get the lift law
> changed. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> This is a copy of an email that was sent to one of the Tucson Rough Riders
> members. At first, I thought this could not be true because of the
> literally thousands of modified off road vehicles that make the trip to Moab
> Utah each year, and I have never heard of anyone being ticketed because of
> modifications. I decided to find out what I could about the Utah laws,
> since I am going to be in Moab myself next month. I will be driving a Jeep
> with 35 inch tires and about 6 inches of body and suspension lift. I spoke
> with a Utah Highway Patrol officer, who works in the Moab area. This is what
> he told me.
> "Restrictive lift laws have been on the books in Utah for many years. These
> laws are not stringently enforced, but can be used at the law officers’
> discretion." The law uses a formula to calculate how much lift your vehicle
> is allowed. Here is how it works. For vehicles with under 100 inch wheel
> base.. multiply the wheel base in inches by the wheel track and divide by
> 2200. The result is how many inches of mechanical lift you are allowed.
> Example, my Jeep has a 92 inch wheel base and a 63 inch track. 92 x 63 =
> 5796. 5796/2200=2.6. Under the law I am allowed a 2.6 inch mechanical lift
> and can increase tire size up to 2.6 inches higher than stock. So in the
> real world, I may have a 2.5 inch lift and maybe 32 inch tires to be street
> legal in Utah. If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires, I still would
> not be legal. I would also have fender flairs as wide as the tires, mud
> flaps and full width bumpers. Vehicles with more than a 100 inch wheel base
> could have up to an 8 inch lift. These laws apply to street driving and
> there are no restrictions if you are off road.
> I have not been able to find anyone who knows of any restrictive laws like
> this in Arizona. I recently had to have a safety inspection done on my Jeep
> by the Department of Motor Vehicles in Tucson, because of recent accident.
> The inspection was through; it took almost an hour for the inspector to go
> through his checklist. The only suggestion they had was that I fix a cracked
> taillight. From this experience, I have concluded that there are presently,
> no lift restriction laws here.
> If anyone has more information about any Arizona “lift laws”, and would like
> to reply to the email sent by the Utah resident, his address is
> Craig-S@ipsc.com. I’m sure we would all support his efforts to get the Utah
> law changed. We wouldn’t want laws like this to creep into Arizona. Lets
> give him some encouragement.
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11690 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 8:41am
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
Hi guys, I had a lockrite in the front of my Jeep since I bought it. I ran a front locker only for a year or so. I now have front and rear ARB's and I will never go back. I can control my Jeep a 100% better and when it locks it locks hard. If you use your head and install it right it has less problems then other lockers and is much harder to break. Also, by cutting out your lockers when you do not need them you are putting less ware on the rest of the drivetrain. The ARBs where not much more than Detroits.
Ross
84 & 79 CJ7
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Naylor [mailto:tim.naylor@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:46 PM
To: Scott Kruize
Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
Scott,
As you know, my rig is set up almost the same as yours, except I don't have a 4 to 1 gears, (and I think I have out don you in the dent department) I do have a 2wd low range kit in my transfer case. I can easily move the front in and out of 4wd while my rear Detroit keeps doing it's job. I think this gives me the same advantages as having an ARB in the front, without the hassels of air pumps and tubes. The cost of a No Slip and 2wd low range is probably less than an ARB. Now if I could just get 4 to 1 gears, it would be the ideal combination.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:53 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit in the rear rarely makes any noise as well. It is well behaved compared to the drop in lockers. I think a Detroit in the rear is a sound bulletproof choice. I like the Powertrax up front but sometimes think an ARB does have some advantages.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@velocityhsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11691 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 8:47am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
I have to disagree(unless the officer was writing a bogus ticket). I have a
friend that has a Suburban lifted on 44's. He was stopped even though his
lights were adjusted downward he was sighted for his headlights being too
high. I also(don't like to claim this) that have lowered their vehicles and
were sighted for their lights being too low. I do not remember the exact
inches, but I have several fris that have been cited in Arizona. The all
relocated lights and the tickets were dismissed. Now this was a few years
ago so it is possible that somehow these were removed from the books. It
may have been that the officers applied the commercial laws to public
vehicles, either way they were cited.
The only other law I have ever heard of for Arizona was one that applied to
all 50 states. It made it illegal to put blocks under the front axle leaf
springs for a lift. The reason for this was that blocks allow more flex and
if you hit a curb or good pothole it could allow the front axle to rotate
slightly and the whole front end could come apart, thus making the vehicle
loose total control. If the rear comes apart you can still steer the front.
Chris
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:11:37 -0700, Linda Luik wrote:
> I suspect that Utah is not targetting vehicles with out of state plates.
> Since they are only targetting Jeeps then I'll take the truck to Moab
> instead!
>
> The only 'lift law' in Arizona states that 1/2-ton or heavier trucks
> must have mud flaps if the tire size is larger than the ones put on at
> the factory. Suburbans, Blazers, FS Broncos, etc. are classified as
> station wagons so are not affected by this law.
>
> No. There is no bumper height law in Az. The bumper height law people
> talk about is for commercial vehicles used for interstate transporting.
>
> No. There is no headlight height law in Az. Again, there are headlight
> laws for commericial vehicles used for interestate transporting. But it
> makes sense to readjust your headlights if you have 4" suspension lift,
> 2" body lift, and are running 35" tires.
>
> Neither the bumper height or headlight height laws pertain to privately
> owned vehicles in Arizona. Though I suspect that there are members of
> law enforcement agencies that do occassionally write repair tickets.
>
> Linda
>
>
> Tim Naylor wrote:
> >
> > >Subject: Arizona Lift Laws
> > >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by
bunyip.flash.net id
> > QAA22411
> > >
> > >I am in Utah an looking for a contact that can inform me about lift
laws
> > on 4x4 vehicles in Arizona. Utah is ticketing any Jeep with a 4" lift
and
> > 33" tires as being unsafe. My wife was told to remove her new 33"
tires
> > and replace them with smaller ones. I am trying to get the lift law
> > changed. Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > This is a copy of an email that was sent to one of the Tucson Rough
Riders
> > members. At first, I thought this could not be true because of the
> > literally thousands of modified off road vehicles that make the trip to
Moab
> > Utah each year, and I have never heard of anyone being ticketed because
of
> > modifications. I decided to find out what I could about the Utah laws,
> > since I am going to be in Moab myself next month. I will be driving a
Jeep
> > with 35 inch tires and about 6 inches of body and suspension lift. I
spoke
> > with a Utah Highway Patrol officer, who works in the Moab area. This is
what
> > he told me.
> > "Restrictive lift laws have been on the books in Utah for many years.
These
> > laws are not stringently enforced, but can be used at the law officers’
> > discretion." The law uses a formula to calculate how much lift your
vehicle
> > is allowed. Here is how it works. For vehicles with under 100 inch
wheel
> > base.. multiply the wheel base in inches by the wheel track and divide
by
> > 2200. The result is how many inches of mechanical lift you are allowed.
> > Example, my Jeep has a 92 inch wheel base and a 63 inch track. 92 x 63
=
> > 5796. 5796/2200=2.6. Under the law I am allowed a 2.6 inch mechanical
lift
> > and can increase tire size up to 2.6 inches higher than stock. So in
the
> > real world, I may have a 2.5 inch lift and maybe 32 inch tires to be
street
> > legal in Utah. If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires, I still
would
> > not be legal. I would also have fender flairs as wide as the tires, mud
> > flaps and full width bumpers. Vehicles with more than a 100 inch wheel
base
> > could have up to an 8 inch lift. These laws apply to street driving and
> > there are no restrictions if you are off road.
> > I have not been able to find anyone who knows of any restrictive laws
like
> > this in Arizona. I recently had to have a safety inspection done on my
Jeep
> > by the Department of Motor Vehicles in Tucson, because of recent
accident.
> > The inspection was through; it took almost an hour for the inspector to
go
> > through his checklist. The only suggestion they had was that I fix a
cracked
> > taillight. From this experience, I have concluded that there are
presently,
> > no lift restriction laws here.
> > If anyone has more information about any Arizona “lift laws”, and would
like
> > to reply to the email sent by the Utah resident, his address is
> > Craig-S@i.... I’m sure we would all support his efforts to get the
Utah
> > law changed. We wouldn’t want laws like this to creep into Arizona.
Lets
> > give him some encouragement.
> >
> >
>
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11692 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:19am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
Blocks on the front axle are dangerous, but people do it. I think it's
more a safety issue than anything else.
A friend of mine has a 1965 Chevelle station wagon 4x4 (33" tires)custom
built using Wagoneer parts. She's been cited for not having mud flaps.
Not sure what happened. She probably put mud flaps on as a courtesy.
Remember that these are repair orders, not moving citations, but I think
that there is some record keeping by law enforcement agencies.
There's a URL that covers these laws. I think it's an easy search. I
don't have time today to look for it.
Linda
"Chris R." wrote:
>
> I have to disagree(unless the officer was writing a bogus ticket). I have a
> friend that has a Suburban lifted on 44's. He was stopped even though his
> lights were adjusted downward he was sighted for his headlights being too
> high. I also(don't like to claim this) that have lowered their vehicles and
> were sighted for their lights being too low. I do not remember the exact
> inches, but I have several fris that have been cited in Arizona. The all
> relocated lights and the tickets were dismissed. Now this was a few years
> ago so it is possible that somehow these were removed from the books. It
> may have been that the officers applied the commercial laws to public
> vehicles, either way they were cited.
>
> The only other law I have ever heard of for Arizona was one that applied to
> all 50 states. It made it illegal to put blocks under the front axle leaf
> springs for a lift. The reason for this was that blocks allow more flex and
> if you hit a curb or good pothole it could allow the front axle to rotate
> slightly and the whole front end could come apart, thus making the vehicle
> loose total control. If the rear comes apart you can still steer the front.
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@excite.com
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> fool forever."
>
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:11:37 -0700, Linda Luik wrote:
>
> > I suspect that Utah is not targetting vehicles with out of state plates.
> > Since they are only targetting Jeeps then I'll take the truck to Moab
> > instead!
> >
> > The only 'lift law' in Arizona states that 1/2-ton or heavier trucks
> > must have mud flaps if the tire size is larger than the ones put on at
> > the factory. Suburbans, Blazers, FS Broncos, etc. are classified as
> > station wagons so are not affected by this law.
> >
> > No. There is no bumper height law in Az. The bumper height law people
> > talk about is for commercial vehicles used for interstate transporting.
> >
> > No. There is no headlight height law in Az. Again, there are headlight
> > laws for commericial vehicles used for interestate transporting. But it
> > makes sense to readjust your headlights if you have 4" suspension lift,
> > 2" body lift, and are running 35" tires.
> >
> > Neither the bumper height or headlight height laws pertain to privately
> > owned vehicles in Arizona. Though I suspect that there are members of
> > law enforcement agencies that do occassionally write repair tickets.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
> > Tim Naylor wrote:
> > >
> > > >Subject: Arizona Lift Laws
> > > >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by
> bunyip.flash.net id
> > > QAA22411
> > > >
> > > >I am in Utah an looking for a contact that can inform me about lift
> laws
> > > on 4x4 vehicles in Arizona. Utah is ticketing any Jeep with a 4" lift
> and
> > > 33" tires as being unsafe. My wife was told to remove her new 33"
> tires
> > > and replace them with smaller ones. I am trying to get the lift law
> > > changed. Any help would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > This is a copy of an email that was sent to one of the Tucson Rough
> Riders
> > > members. At first, I thought this could not be true because of the
> > > literally thousands of modified off road vehicles that make the trip to
> Moab
> > > Utah each year, and I have never heard of anyone being ticketed because
> of
> > > modifications. I decided to find out what I could about the Utah laws,
> > > since I am going to be in Moab myself next month. I will be driving a
> Jeep
> > > with 35 inch tires and about 6 inches of body and suspension lift. I
> spoke
> > > with a Utah Highway Patrol officer, who works in the Moab area. This is
> what
> > > he told me.
> > > "Restrictive lift laws have been on the books in Utah for many years.
> These
> > > laws are not stringently enforced, but can be used at the law officers’
> > > discretion." The law uses a formula to calculate how much lift your
> vehicle
> > > is allowed. Here is how it works. For vehicles with under 100 inch
> wheel
> > > base.. multiply the wheel base in inches by the wheel track and divide
> by
> > > 2200. The result is how many inches of mechanical lift you are allowed.
> > > Example, my Jeep has a 92 inch wheel base and a 63 inch track. 92 x 63
> =
> > > 5796. 5796/2200=2.6. Under the law I am allowed a 2.6 inch mechanical
> lift
> > > and can increase tire size up to 2.6 inches higher than stock. So in
> the
> > > real world, I may have a 2.5 inch lift and maybe 32 inch tires to be
> street
> > > legal in Utah. If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires, I still
> would
> > > not be legal. I would also have fender flairs as wide as the tires, mud
> > > flaps and full width bumpers. Vehicles with more than a 100 inch wheel
> base
> > > could have up to an 8 inch lift. These laws apply to street driving and
> > > there are no restrictions if you are off road.
> > > I have not been able to find anyone who knows of any restrictive laws
> like
> > > this in Arizona. I recently had to have a safety inspection done on my
> Jeep
> > > by the Department of Motor Vehicles in Tucson, because of recent
> accident.
> > > The inspection was through; it took almost an hour for the inspector to
> go
> > > through his checklist. The only suggestion they had was that I fix a
> cracked
> > > taillight. From this experience, I have concluded that there are
> presently,
> > > no lift restriction laws here.
> > > If anyone has more information about any Arizona “lift laws”, and would
> like
> > > to reply to the email sent by the Utah resident, his address is
> > > Craig-S@ipsc.com. I’m sure we would all support his efforts to get the
> Utah
> > > law changed. We wouldn’t want laws like this to creep into Arizona.
> Lets
> > > give him some encouragement.
> > >
> > >
>
> >
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11693 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:17am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
Arizona Revised Statutes
Title 28 - Transportation
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/28/title28.htm
"Chris R." wrote:
> I have to disagree(unless the officer was writing a bogus ticket). I have a
> friend that has a Suburban lifted on 44's. He was stopped even though his
> lights were adjusted downward he was sighted for his headlights being too
> high. I also(don't like to claim this) that have lowered their vehicles and
> were sighted for their lights being too low. I do not remember the exact
> inches, but I have several fris that have been cited in Arizona. The all
> relocated lights and the tickets were dismissed. Now this was a few years
> ago so it is possible that somehow these were removed from the books. It
> may have been that the officers applied the commercial laws to public
> vehicles, either way they were cited.
28-924. Motor vehicle head lamps
C. A head lamp on a motor vehicle, including a motorcycle, an
all-terrain vehicle and a motor driven cycle, shall be located at a
height of not more than fifty-four inches nor less than twenty-four
inches to be measured as provided in section 28-923, subsection B.
(28-923 B. states that the measurement is from the center of the light.)
> The only other law I have ever heard of for Arizona was one that applied to
> all 50 states. It made it illegal to put blocks under the front axle leaf
> springs for a lift. The reason for this was that blocks allow more flex and
> if you hit a curb or good pothole it could allow the front axle to rotate
> slightly and the whole front end could come apart, thus making the vehicle
> loose total control. If the rear comes apart you can still steer the front.
I'm pretty sure that this is not a federal law. There are some states
in the south (can't remember which specific ones, I'd have to look it
up) that allow 2" lift blocks in front. Not that this is a good idea,
but I have seen it on dedicated mud trucks without any trouble.
11694 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:23am
Subject: Charleau Gap !!!!!!
Charleau Gap is on Sunday, we will go as far as we can, the wash
might be flooded when we get there.
For those of you who want to go here is the deal.
We will meet at my house no later than 6:00 am then go to my father-
in-laws' house then to the gap.
I will be home tonight.
my number is 296-9673 names Larry
Call me and I will give you directions to my house, If you live or
will be staying in the Northwest part of Tucson, We will meet you at
the Gas station on RIver and Oracle beetween 7:00 and 7:30 am.
Let us know how many will be there so that we do not leave anyone
behind.
E-mail me at larry@d... for counting reasons
11695 From: <aphrodsyak@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 5:28am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift (weinie llift)
Lets not take EVERYTHING personal.. I cant imagine someone having nothing
else in their lives to get worked up over that this should bother them....
WATER OFF A DUCKS BACK PEOPLE sheesh.... do we have to watch everything we
say. I mean anything you say can bother somebody. LIGHTEN UP!!! That is
all..
11696 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:15am
Subject: Re: tj locker
Nick,
Many years ago there was a company developing electric lockers. Development went on for several years and the product never came to market. Many people were holding out in anticipation since no air lines were necessary.Many people also waited for the "New" Detroit Gearless locker until last year only to find out that it had a tendency to grenade :( I'd just go ahead and order a Detroit softlocker, ARB, or Powertrax and enjoy the benefits and don't hold out for something that is untested and may never become available.
Scott
Nnote wrote:
Like I said a few weeks ago a cable locker is being developed for the dana series locker. It's on a website under the name 'oxtrax'. I think this would be everyone's best option. I'm holding out...
Nick
Nnote@neta.com
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11697 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:40am
Subject: Adjustable Track Bars
How do you know where to adjust your track bar to? I am experiencing bump
steer and RE told me to adjust my track bar but they didn't know where to
adjust it to. I'm getting tired of constantly steering to go straight.
Please HELP!!
Pete
11698 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 4:18am
Subject: Re: tj locker
I checked out their web page (oxtrax.com)....sounded promising, but I didn't
particularly like their test methods....they have a pic of their jeep
climbing a tree....now, is it just me or does anyone else feel that this
kind of pic is something that could be exploited by the green weenies????
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11699 From: Matthew Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 4:27am
Subject: 2.5L to 4.0L swap
Hi all! Just checking to see if anybody has performed one of these and what
all is involved besides the transmission, bell housing, computer,
transmission, etc... I just bought my YJ back from the insurance company
for the measly sum of $1000, so after all is said and done I will have just
under $11,000 to play with. I figure after buying a new hood, windshield
frame and windshield I'll have plenty left over for the rest. Right now I
have a 4 cyl w/ 33's, Advance Adapters SYE, and a bunch of other stuff, so
I'd like to just keep what I have and put in a new motor. I figure the 4.0
will do what I need and save a lot of headaches of a V8 swap, and I will
gain the added power with the gears since they are already 4.11s. All I am
really trying to figure out is what other kinds of issues am I leaving out?
I'm not sure about driveshaft lengths, input spline, etc... Any help out
there? Also I've gotten an e-mail from somebody here selling a 4.0L out of
a '97. Is this any different from the 92-95's? Thanks for the help.
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
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11700 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 11:59am
Subject:
I have the following parts for a CJ-7 for sale:
Factory hard top, no doors $250
New Steel horse stainless door hinges $10
New Currie Twin stick shifter w/ boot $75
*THE FOLLOWING PARTS ARE FOR A 258 SIX BANGER
Dip stick and tube $5
Oil pan $ 5
Timing chain cover $ 10
New NAPA timing chain set $ 15
Used cylinder head $ 10
Used 3 core radiator $ 15
Fly wheel and clutch Free
Brackets , pulleys and belt for a
serpentine set up $ 5
Mallory Unilite distributor $ 15
MSD spark plug wires $5
"e" mail me if you are interested. Or call after 6:00 480-491-2171
Thanks !
Blake
11701 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 0:31pm
Subject: tj locker and ox
Ya TJ, I saw that picture climbing up a tree. It sucks when a bad company has a potentialy good product. It definatly wasn't the proper way to display their product. Scott, they said the product should be available by september, if it is or not who knows...
All the old toyota landcruisers came with a cable locker and it was the best thing out there, still would be. This whole traction device decision is difficult. More I guess it's the money part or else I'd say arb's all around...
Nick
Nnote@neta.com
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11702 From: Jason Grover <v-jgro@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:49am
Subject: RE: Adjustable Track Bars
In a TJ I assume? With mine, I lifted the Jeep off the ground by the bumper
to take the weight off of the front axle. I disconnected the track bar so
the axle hung straight then I put the Jeep down. With the axle in it's
proper place, I adjusted my track bar appropriately..
HTH!
Jason (hates all the suspension components the TJ's have.. man I long for
the benefits of leafs...)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Wirch [mailto:wirch@m...]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:40 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Adjustable Track Bars
How do you know where to adjust your track bar to? I am experiencing bump
steer and RE told me to adjust my track bar but they didn't know where to
adjust it to. I'm getting tired of constantly steering to go straight.
Please HELP!!
Pete
11703 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 0:54pm
Subject: Opinions on RE's new Long Arm Kit Upgrade
Considering I need to get all new control arms for my Jeep I am considering
the RE Long Arm Kit Upgrade which consists of the Flat Belly Pan and all the
control arms. I don't know much about the benefits of the long arms but RE
has told me that my TJ will drive much much nicer on the street with a 3"-6"
lift. I currently have a 3" but am thinking about going to 4" or 5" via
spacers. These arms would allow me to do that. I just want people opinions
about long arms kits. WHAT ARE THE BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM????
Thanks,
Pete
11704 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:45pm
Subject: Re: Opinions on RE's new Long Arm Kit Upgrade
Pete,
From what I've gathered the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. Better offroad flex, increased clearnace at the t-case, much better ride on street, eliminates the problem of torque induced body roll which is common with all of the other lift kits. One drawback is that the longer arm may tend to drag on the rocks more often. I am very happy with the RE ultimate kit that I purchased last year. If I had bought my TJ now I would definitely go with the new kit for the reasons listed above. But since my TJ is not a daily driver I won't be upgrading.
Good luck,
Scott
Pete Wirch wrote:
Considering I need to get all new control arms for my Jeep I am considering
the RE Long Arm Kit Upgrade which consists of the Flat Belly Pan and all the
control arms. I don't know much about the benefits of the long arms but RE
has told me that my TJ will drive much much nicer on the street with a 3"-6"
lift. I currently have a 3" but am thinking about going to 4" or 5" via
spacers. These arms would allow me to do that. I just want people opinions
about long arms kits. WHAT ARE THE BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM????
Thanks,
Pete
Pete,
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11705 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 9:47am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
HEAR HEAR!!!!
STEVE
11706 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:48pm
Subject: Re: Adjustable Track Bars
I am in no way an expert on this stuff so someone correct me if I'm wrong.
But here's my understanding:
Steering geometry is tricky. Drag link angle, sway bars and track bars
all figure into the equation. When the tires go over a bump, the axle
moves up, closer to the frame. This causes the drag link to "push" on
the Pitman arm because it shortens the distance between the point where
the drag link connects to the tie rod and the point where it connects to
the Pitman arm on the steering box. If you hold the steering wheel steady,
then the wheels turn instead. The track bar needs to deflect the axle
away from the steering box so as to offset the "push" on the Pitman arm.
The smaller the angle between the drag link and the axle, the less the
deflection that the track bar must provide. So, in a stock set-up with
the drag link almost parallel to the axle, there doesn't need to be much
deflection.
Note that axle articulation can also cause the drag link to push or pull
the Pitman arm. Use of a sway bar on the road can help reduce this.
As for adjusting your track bar, how do you adjust it? I thought there
was simply a clamp to loosen when off-road and tighten when on-road.
(I'm assuming we're talking about one of those telescoping track bars.)
Given this, the only way to tighten it in different positions is to
park the vehicle on a side hill or to put one tire up on a rock. I
don't recommend this. In the case of a TJ, the track bars also position
the axles from side to side since coil springs can't do that. From this
standpoint, the track bars should be adjusted so the axles are centered
under the vehicle.
From looking at your Member's Rigs entry, you don't seem to have much more
lift than a lot of others with TJ's and they don't seem to be complaining
about bump steer. I suggest looking for warn or bent steering components.
If that fails, you may need to consider modifying the steering to mount on
top of the steering knuckles thereby reducing angles.
-Roger
Pete Wirch wrote:
>
> How do you know where to adjust your track bar to? I am experiencing bump
> steer and RE told me to adjust my track bar but they didn't know where to
> adjust it to. I'm getting tired of constantly steering to go straight.
> Please HELP!!
>
> Pete
11707 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:54pm
Subject: RE: Adjustable Track Bars
Here's how I do it:
Remove the nut on the frame end. Have a helper turn the steering wheel slightly until there is no binding on the bolt so it will drop out. I then use a yardstick and stand it up against the front tire and measure the gap between the fender and yardstick on both sides. Have your helper turn the steering wheel slightly and you will notice that without the trackbar the body will shift from side to side in relation to the axle. Have your helper move the steering wheel until the axle is centered. Use the yardstick again, and adjust the trackbar and bolt it up while your helper holds the steering wheel steady. This can be done without a helper adjusting the steering but theres a lot more trial and error going back and forth until you get it right.
Your steering wheel will probably not be centered after this so you will also need to adjust the draglink.
Thats it!
Scott Kruize
Jason Grover wrote:
In a TJ I assume? With mine, I lifted the Jeep off the ground by the bumper
to take the weight off of the front axle. I disconnected the track bar so
the axle hung straight then I put the Jeep down. With the axle in it's
proper place, I adjusted my track bar appropriately..
HTH!
Jason (hates all the suspension components the TJ's have.. man I long for
the benefits of leafs...)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Wirch [mailto:wirch@mindless.com]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:40 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Adjustable Track Bars
How do you know where to adjust your track bar to? I am experiencing bump
steer and RE told me to adjust my track bar but they didn't know where to
adjust it to. I'm getting tired of constantly steering to go straight.
Please HELP!!
Pete
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11708 From: Jason Grover <v-jgro@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 1:48pm
Subject: RE: Opinions on RE's new Long Arm Kit Upgrade
I have thought about going that route myself (but without a kit) but my main
concern is the fact that there is a LOT of arm exposed and a good chance one
could get bent coming off of a step or something. A guy I know has a Sami
with a coil kit and similar arms and he has bent a couple. I don't know if
it's that kits design or what.
I have heard the same thing from other sources that a longer control arm
will better the ride quality...
If you do go that route, please post the results to the list as I would live
to know how it works.
Jason (suffers from short "control arm" syndrome, glad my wife loves me
anyhow ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Wirch [mailto:wirch@m...]
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 12:54 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Opinions on RE's new Long Arm Kit Upgrade
Considering I need to get all new control arms for my Jeep I am considering
the RE Long Arm Kit Upgrade which consists of the Flat Belly Pan and all the
control arms. I don't know much about the benefits of the long arms but RE
has told me that my TJ will drive much much nicer on the street with a 3"-6"
lift. I currently have a 3" but am thinking about going to 4" or 5" via
spacers. These arms would allow me to do that. I just want people opinions
about long arms kits. WHAT ARE THE BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM????
Thanks,
Pete
11709 From: Jason Grover <v-jgro@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 2:01pm
Subject: No AC even an option?
As I mentioned, I am moving down there this winter. I have a 97 TJ with no AC because well, there is absolutely NO use for AC on a Jeep in WA. But when it's 120 down there, is no AC even an option? Is it doable to just run a bikini top in the summer (for the shade)
Or maybe I should try to get the AC while up here (and in far less demand)
Thoughts?
Jason (it's 65 and rainy here now.. so long summer)
11710 From: <pvnuc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:03am
Subject: Fwd: FW: Findings
From: "Chapin, William D(Z99449)" WCHAPIN@a...
To: "'pvnuc@a...'" pvnuc@a...
Subject: FW: Findings
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:18:19 -0700
> Subject: NTSB FINDINGS
>
> THE NATIONAL TRAFFIC AND SAFETY BOARD RECENTLY
> DIVULGED THAT THEY HAD COVERTLY FUNDED A PROJECT
> WITH THE U.S. AUTOMAKERS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS
> WHEREBY THE AUTO MAKERS WERE INSTALLING BLACK BOXES
> IN FOUR WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES IN AN EFFORT TO
> DETERMINE, IN FATAL CRASHES, THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN
> THE LAST 15 SECONDS BEFORE THE CRASH. THEY WERE
> SUPRISED TO FIND IN 49 OF THE 50 STATES THE LAST
> WORDS OF THE DRIVERS WERE, "OH ****!" ONLY THE
> STATE OF ARIZONA WAS DIFFERENT WHERE 89.3 PERCENT
> OF THE FINAL WORDS WERE " HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS!"
>
>
>
>
11711 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 2:05pm
Subject: Re: Opinions on RE's new Long Arm Kit Upgrade
Benefits would be more wheel travel, smoother ride and less tendency for
rear axle to try to walk under the vehicle instead of pushing the vehicle
(more of an issue with taller lifts). Disadvantages are what Scott said -
better chance of dragging on rocks.
-Roger
Pete Wirch wrote:
>
> Considering I need to get all new control arms for my Jeep I am considering
> the RE Long Arm Kit Upgrade which consists of the Flat Belly Pan and all the
> control arms. I don't know much about the benefits of the long arms but RE
> has told me that my TJ will drive much much nicer on the street with a 3"-6"
> lift. I currently have a 3" but am thinking about going to 4" or 5" via
> spacers. These arms would allow me to do that. I just want people opinions
> about long arms kits. WHAT ARE THE BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM????
>
> Thanks,
> Pete
11712 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 10:29am
Subject: Re: No AC even an option?
I do it for now. I don't drive very far to work. (6 miles) and besides its
only really hot for 3 months.
Steve