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11663 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 3:11am
Subject: Front Lockers - TJ
I have PowerTrax NoSlip lockers F&R. The front lockers go completely
without notice until 4wd is engaged. So, what he said was true, at least
with these lockers. The rear, on the other hand, exhibit terrible street
manners since they are always engaged. I get the typical locker "chirp" on
slow sharp turns. I get torque build-up which causes the body to yaw
slightly on acceleration and "un-yaw" when taking my foot off the gas. None
of this comes from the front lockers. I put in the rear lockers first, and
there has been no on-road difference since doing so. I would do it all
again. The road manners are easy to adjust to and the chirp is kinda' cute.
Jon
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11664 From: Ryan Gilmore <jeepster51@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 1:15am
Subject: Charleau Gap
The sunday run to Charleau Gap is a fairly "loose" run right now. It is
going to depend on how things go saturday.
Ryan Gilmore
51 CJ3A - Tucson
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11665 From: Robert Brashears <brash5035@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:25am
Subject: TJ front lockers
I have a '97 and waited until I could talk the wife into affording an
ARB air locker for the front. I have not regretted the wait at all.
It's there when I need it and it's not there when I need to make the
tight turns. I also think that it saves parts by not being there all
the time i.e., u-joints, steering components, and axles. Whatever
locker you decide on you should wait until you can do the gears at
the same time. It will save you money in the long run.
About 4-Wheelers supply, if you go in person to the shop you will be
more likely to get a better deal. The may match prices on parts, it
just depends upon the salesman you get. And I know first hand that
the shop will do work for you no matter where the parts come from.
Just tell them what you have and what you want done. In my opinion
they have some of the best mechanics in the valley, especially when
it comes to ring and pinion and locker work.
And while I am on the soapbox, remember that you always get what you
pay for.
Robert Brashears
97 TJ
11666 From: Ray B <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:56am
Subject: BIG BROTHER
The National Transportation Safety Board recently
divulged they had covertly funded a project with
the US auto makers for the past five years, whereby
the auto makers were installing black boxes in
four-wheel drive pickup trucks in an effort to
determine, in fatal accidents, the circumstances
in the last 15 seconds before the crash.
They were surprised to find in 45 of the 50 states
the last words of drivers in 61.2 percent of fatal
crashes were, "Oh, ****!" Only the states of Georgia,
Kentucky, South Carolina, West Virginia and
Arkansas were different, where over 89.3 percent
of the final words were: "Hold my beer and watch this!"
11667 From: Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 11:16am
Subject: BIG IORN
Does anyone have pictures of Big Iorn they can forward me or an address
where I can look them up. One of my friends at work doesn't believe it
exists.
Jeff
11668 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 11:14am
Subject: Re: BIG IORN
Jeff Woods wrote:
>
> Does anyone have pictures of Big Iorn they can forward me or an address
> where I can look them up. One of my friends at work doesn't believe it
> exists.
http://www.alloffroad.com/issue/2000/march/contents/monster.htm
11669 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 11:36am
Subject: Re: BIG IORN
Greg Banfield, Editor in Alloffroad and some other more went yesterday to Anaconda, he got AMAZING pictures of that Rockbuggy,
He will be writting an article about it, I already got the picture we will have for cover of the next month, its Big Iron stuck in a waterfall, an awesome shot by Greg.
Stay tuned!
Jesus Chio
www.alloffroad.com
Free webpages
http://signup.alloffroad.com
My Eb project
www.alloffroad.com/chio
----- Original Message -----
From: Daver
To: Jeff Woods
Cc: azvjc
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BIG IORN
Jeff Woods wrote:
>
> Does anyone have pictures of Big Iorn they can forward me or an address
> where I can look them up. One of my friends at work doesn't believe it
> exists.
http://www.alloffroad.com/issue/2000/march/contents/monster.htm
11670 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 0:13pm
Subject: Re: Front Lockers - TJ
I would never again put lockers in a vehicle. My LSDs (front and rear)
work as well (maybe even better) without the quirky street (chirping,
snapping, accelerated tire wear, etc.) and trail characteristics
(reduced steering, increased probablity of axle breakage, etc.).
Linda
93 ZJ
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> I have PowerTrax NoSlip lockers F&R. The front lockers go completely
> without notice until 4wd is engaged. So, what he said was true, at least
> with these lockers. The rear, on the other hand, exhibit terrible street
> manners since they are always engaged. I get the typical locker "chirp" on
> slow sharp turns. I get torque build-up which causes the body to yaw
> slightly on acceleration and "un-yaw" when taking my foot off the gas. None
> of this comes from the front lockers. I put in the rear lockers first, and
> there has been no on-road difference since doing so. I would do it all
> again. The road manners are easy to adjust to and the chirp is kinda' cute.
>
> Jon
>
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> Convenient P&C Group
> (610) 521-6066
> =================
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11671 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:19pm
Subject: Another Jeeper dies.... tragic story
http://www.the285ug.bizland.com/911.htm
Here is the story from the guy who witnessed the accident and tried
to administer help....
http://mountainbuzz.com/wwwboard/index2.pl?read=6026
Here is the Jeepers photopoint album of the same area...
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=761063&a=7548120
For those of you who frequent JeepsUnlimited, Mike was a member and
his username was Grizzer.
Time to start talking about Rollcages!
11672 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:28pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
At least everyone has an opinion....the best part about living in America!
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Linda Luik [mailto:linda.luik@m...]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:14
>To: Jon Loveless
>Cc: mike@m...; az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>I would never again put lockers in a vehicle. My LSDs (front and rear)
>work as well (maybe even better) without the quirky street (chirping,
>snapping, accelerated tire wear, etc.) and trail characteristics
>(reduced steering, increased probablity of axle breakage, etc.).
>
>Linda
>93 ZJ
>
>Jon Loveless wrote:
>>
>> I have PowerTrax NoSlip lockers F&R. The front lockers go completely
>> without notice until 4wd is engaged. So, what he said was true, at least
>> with these lockers. The rear, on the other hand, exhibit terrible street
>> manners since they are always engaged. I get the typical locker
>"chirp" on
>> slow sharp turns. I get torque build-up which causes the body to yaw
>> slightly on acceleration and "un-yaw" when taking my foot off
>the gas. None
>> of this comes from the front lockers. I put in the rear lockers
>first, and
>> there has been no on-road difference since doing so. I would do it all
>> again. The road manners are easy to adjust to and the chirp is
>kinda' cute.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> =================
>> Jon Loveless
>> Convenient P&C Group
>> (610) 521-6066
>> =================
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
11673 From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:32pm
Subject: TR - Bulldog Canyon Attendees
This post is to connect with those that have responded as planning/hoping to
make the run thru Bulldog Canyon this Saturday morning. Since I am on the
distribution to only receive the daily digests of the group correspondence
(which I see a day after), I need to ask that you email me directly to stay
in touch after today. Also, please feel free to call...I'll leave my phone
#'s below. I'll have my cell phone on Saturday mooring as well.
Again, meeting time is 7:00am at the Apache Junction Burger King near the
Southwest corner of Main (Old West Hwy) and Idaho Rd. Bring water and all
the normal 4 wheelin stuff, plus lunch, towel, sunscreen, etc (read "beer")
if you'll be sticking around after the run for a jaunt down to the Salt
River.
Looks like we'll have a decent sized group, but the wheelin's pretty easy
(at least was last time thru!) so we should make good time thru the Canyon.
Respondents so far:
Devon Whitney
Ken Unterriner
Tom Dunn
John Butler
Tom Quinn
Ray B
"Hackle" (sorry, dude...that's the best I could get from your email!)
plus two friends of mine, Andy Zimmerle and Andy Archibald. Andy A. drives
a lifted, gold XJ and should be at BK pretty early. If applicable, we're
bringing our wives, kids and dogs.
See ya Saturday!!!!
Tom Jacobson
(home): 480-924-2622
(cell): 480-221-3308
vehicle: '87 YJ, Black w/ blk hardtop, 4" lift, 33's
11674 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Front Lockers - TJ
We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
bought cars...
Your mileage may vary,
Chris
11675 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Front Lockers - TJ
Hoorah to that one. Stop wining and drive.
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Chris" <cmandrick@v...> wrote:
> We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I
am
> trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we
wanted a
> silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should
have
> bought cars...
>
> Your mileage may vary,
> Chris
11676 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 4:37pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@v...]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
11677 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 4:39pm
Subject: RE: Re: Front Lockers - TJ
Everyone knows it is not legal to drink wine and drive. I am glad you
support that! :P
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: grafik_lar@y... [mailto:grafik_lar@y...]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:44
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>Hoorah to that one. Stop wining and drive.
>
>--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Chris" <cmandrick@v...> wrote:
>> We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I
>am
>> trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we
>wanted a
>> silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should
>have
>> bought cars...
>>
>> Your mileage may vary,
>> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11678 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 7:52pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit in the rear rarely makes any noise as well. It is well behaved compared to the drop in lockers. I think a Detroit in the rear is a sound bulletproof choice. I like the Powertrax up front but sometimes think an ARB does have some advantages.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@velocityhsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11679 From: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 8:30pm
Subject: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
>Subject: Arizona Lift Laws
>X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bunyip.flash.net id
QAA22411
>
>I am in Utah an looking for a contact that can inform me about lift laws
on 4x4 vehicles in Arizona. Utah is ticketing any Jeep with a 4" lift and
33" tires as being unsafe. My wife was told to remove her new 33" tires
and replace them with smaller ones. I am trying to get the lift law
changed. Any help would be appreciated.
This is a copy of an email that was sent to one of the Tucson Rough Riders
members. At first, I thought this could not be true because of the
literally thousands of modified off road vehicles that make the trip to Moab
Utah each year, and I have never heard of anyone being ticketed because of
modifications. I decided to find out what I could about the Utah laws,
since I am going to be in Moab myself next month. I will be driving a Jeep
with 35 inch tires and about 6 inches of body and suspension lift. I spoke
with a Utah Highway Patrol officer, who works in the Moab area. This is what
he told me.
"Restrictive lift laws have been on the books in Utah for many years. These
laws are not stringently enforced, but can be used at the law officers’
discretion." The law uses a formula to calculate how much lift your vehicle
is allowed. Here is how it works. For vehicles with under 100 inch wheel
base.. multiply the wheel base in inches by the wheel track and divide by
2200. The result is how many inches of mechanical lift you are allowed.
Example, my Jeep has a 92 inch wheel base and a 63 inch track. 92 x 63 =
5796. 5796/2200=2.6. Under the law I am allowed a 2.6 inch mechanical lift
and can increase tire size up to 2.6 inches higher than stock. So in the
real world, I may have a 2.5 inch lift and maybe 32 inch tires to be street
legal in Utah. If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires, I still would
not be legal. I would also have fender flairs as wide as the tires, mud
flaps and full width bumpers. Vehicles with more than a 100 inch wheel base
could have up to an 8 inch lift. These laws apply to street driving and
there are no restrictions if you are off road.
I have not been able to find anyone who knows of any restrictive laws like
this in Arizona. I recently had to have a safety inspection done on my Jeep
by the Department of Motor Vehicles in Tucson, because of recent accident.
The inspection was through; it took almost an hour for the inspector to go
through his checklist. The only suggestion they had was that I fix a cracked
taillight. From this experience, I have concluded that there are presently,
no lift restriction laws here.
If anyone has more information about any Arizona “lift laws”, and would like
to reply to the email sent by the Utah resident, his address is
Craig-S@i.... I’m sure we would all support his efforts to get the Utah
law changed. We wouldn’t want laws like this to creep into Arizona. Lets
give him some encouragement.
11680 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 8:28pm
Subject: Re: Decent AZ web pages
I've got a few :-) good ones at
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=189155
Check 'em out.
--
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President
Toybox Off-Road
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
Jason Grover wrote:
> Hey all, are there any good 4wd web pages that have a lot of pictures from
> down there?
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Jason
>
>
11681 From: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 8:45pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
Scott,
As you know, my rig is set up almost the same as yours, except I don't have a 4 to 1 gears, (and I think I have out don you in the dent department) I do have a 2wd low range kit in my transfer case. I can easily move the front in and out of 4wd while my rear Detroit keeps doing it's job. I think this gives me the same advantages as having an ARB in the front, without the hassels of air pumps and tubes. The cost of a No Slip and 2wd low range is probably less than an ARB. Now if I could just get 4 to 1 gears, it would be the ideal combination.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:53 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit in the rear rarely makes any noise as well. It is well behaved compared to the drop in lockers. I think a Detroit in the rear is a sound bulletproof choice. I like the Powertrax up front but sometimes think an ARB does have some advantages.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@velocityhsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11682 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:04pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
Tim,
I installed the 2LO kit at the same time as the Teralow. If i remember correctly you asked me about how I liked it before you installed yours :) Funny how that memory works huh? One of these days we'll actually meet on the trail. Until then...
Take it easy,
Scott
Tim Naylor wrote:
Scott,
As you know, my rig is set up almost the same as yours, except I don't have a 4 to 1 gears, (and I think I have out don you in the dent department) I do have a 2wd low range kit in my transfer case. I can easily move the front in and out of 4wd while my rear Detroit keeps doing it's job. I think this gives me the same advantages as having an ARB in the front, without the hassels of air pumps and tubes. The cost of a No Slip and 2wd low range is probably less than an ARB. Now if I could just get 4 to 1 gears, it would be the ideal combination.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:53 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit in the rear rarely makes any noise as well. It is well behaved compared to the drop in lockers. I think a Detroit in the rear is a sound bulletproof choice. I like the Powertrax up front but sometimes think an ARB does have some advantages.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@velocityhsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11683 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:13pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
Tim,
When we slip into 2LO we do free up the front axle for steering, but for some in the group it depends on how they use their Jeep. Sometimes it would be nice to run 4WD with an open diff up front. If someone drives their Jeep in the snow or on ice there are advantages to having the open diff option of the ARB. In this scenario a locked up front would be downright dangerous. But strictly for rockcrawling, its probably about equal - which is what I built my TJ for. Thats why I chose the Detroit, NoSlip, & 2LO combo.
Scott
Tim Naylor wrote:
Scott,
As you know, my rig is set up almost the same as yours, except I don't have a 4 to 1 gears, (and I think I have out don you in the dent department) I do have a 2wd low range kit in my transfer case. I can easily move the front in and out of 4wd while my rear Detroit keeps doing it's job. I think this gives me the same advantages as having an ARB in the front, without the hassels of air pumps and tubes. The cost of a No Slip and 2wd low range is probably less than an ARB. Now if I could just get 4 to 1 gears, it would be the ideal combination.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:53 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit in the rear rarely makes any noise as well. It is well behaved compared to the drop in lockers. I think a Detroit in the rear is a sound bulletproof choice. I like the Powertrax up front but sometimes think an ARB does have some advantages.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@velocityhsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11684 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 11:31pm
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
Interesting... I just moved from Utah a few months ago. I have 35" tires
and about 5 1/2" of lift on my CJ7. I used my Jeep as my daily driver, and
passed many a highway patrolman in my travels. I will admit that I was
pulled over twice for not having mud flaps, but they never said anything
about the lift or size of my tires. The second time I was pulled over I
asked exactly what was required to make my jeep legal, and the officer told
me that as long as the fender flares extended to the edge of the tires and
mud flaps extended to a certain distance above the ground (I forget exactly
what that distance was), I'd be legal. So apparently many of the UHP
officers don't know all the restrictive lift laws. I was a member of a Jeep
club in Utah which included many jeeps at least as tall as mine, and I'm not
aware of anyone else in the club ever being pulled over. Also, Utah
requires an annual safety inspection, and a vehicle will not fail the
inspection because of the size of the lift or tires. I find it odd that
vehicles that will pass a safety inspection would be illegal...
Another intersting sidenote: It is also illegal to drive without a front
license plate in Utah. I was surprised when I moved to Arizona and found
out that we don't even *get* front license plates... My brother, who has a
4" lift and 33" tires, was pulled over (in Moab, no less) for not having a
front plate. Again, the officer didn't mention the lift or tires, just the
missing license plate.
darren
83 CJ7
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
> >Subject: Arizona Lift Laws
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> >I am in Utah an looking for a contact that can inform me about lift laws
> on 4x4 vehicles in Arizona. Utah is ticketing any Jeep with a 4" lift and
> 33" tires as being unsafe. My wife was told to remove her new 33" tires
> and replace them with smaller ones. I am trying to get the lift law
> changed. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> This is a copy of an email that was sent to one of the Tucson Rough Riders
> members. At first, I thought this could not be true because of the
> literally thousands of modified off road vehicles that make the trip to
Moab
> Utah each year, and I have never heard of anyone being ticketed because of
> modifications. I decided to find out what I could about the Utah laws,
> since I am going to be in Moab myself next month. I will be driving a Jeep
> with 35 inch tires and about 6 inches of body and suspension lift. I spoke
> with a Utah Highway Patrol officer, who works in the Moab area. This is
what
> he told me.
> "Restrictive lift laws have been on the books in Utah for many years.
These
> laws are not stringently enforced, but can be used at the law officers'
> discretion." The law uses a formula to calculate how much lift your
vehicle
> is allowed. Here is how it works. For vehicles with under 100 inch wheel
> base.. multiply the wheel base in inches by the wheel track and divide by
> 2200. The result is how many inches of mechanical lift you are allowed.
> Example, my Jeep has a 92 inch wheel base and a 63 inch track. 92 x 63 =
> 5796. 5796/2200=2.6. Under the law I am allowed a 2.6 inch mechanical lift
> and can increase tire size up to 2.6 inches higher than stock. So in the
> real world, I may have a 2.5 inch lift and maybe 32 inch tires to be
street
> legal in Utah. If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires, I still would
> not be legal. I would also have fender flairs as wide as the tires, mud
> flaps and full width bumpers. Vehicles with more than a 100 inch wheel
base
> could have up to an 8 inch lift. These laws apply to street driving and
> there are no restrictions if you are off road.
> I have not been able to find anyone who knows of any restrictive laws like
> this in Arizona. I recently had to have a safety inspection done on my
Jeep
> by the Department of Motor Vehicles in Tucson, because of recent accident.
> The inspection was through; it took almost an hour for the inspector to go
> through his checklist. The only suggestion they had was that I fix a
cracked
> taillight. From this experience, I have concluded that there are
presently,
> no lift restriction laws here.
> If anyone has more information about any Arizona "lift laws", and would
like
> to reply to the email sent by the Utah resident, his address is
> Craig-S@i.... I'm sure we would all support his efforts to get the
Utah
> law changed. We wouldn't want laws like this to creep into Arizona. Lets
> give him some encouragement.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11685 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 0:12am
Subject: tj locker
Like I said a few weeks ago a cable locker is being developed for the dana series locker. It's on a website under the name 'oxtrax'. I think this would be everyone's best option. I'm holding out...
Nick
Nnote@neta.com
Nnote@juno.com
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11686 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 4:09am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the group.
11687 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 3:01pm
Subject: Finally moving
Well everyone.. the moment has finally come. After 10 months of suffering.
living with inlaws and the grand parents RV..
WE ARE MOVING INTO THE NEW HOUSE TOMARROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOHOOOO!!!!!
Catch ya all next week.......
Dave
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11663 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 3:11am
Subject: Front Lockers - TJ
I have PowerTrax NoSlip lockers F&R. The front lockers go completely
without notice until 4wd is engaged. So, what he said was true, at least
with these lockers. The rear, on the other hand, exhibit terrible street
manners since they are always engaged. I get the typical locker "chirp" on
slow sharp turns. I get torque build-up which causes the body to yaw
slightly on acceleration and "un-yaw" when taking my foot off the gas. None
of this comes from the front lockers. I put in the rear lockers first, and
there has been no on-road difference since doing so. I would do it all
again. The road manners are easy to adjust to and the chirp is kinda' cute.
Jon
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11664 From: Ryan Gilmore <jeepster51@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 1:15am
Subject: Charleau Gap
The sunday run to Charleau Gap is a fairly "loose" run right now. It is
going to depend on how things go saturday.
Ryan Gilmore
51 CJ3A - Tucson
jeepster51@h...
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11665 From: Robert Brashears <brash5035@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:25am
Subject: TJ front lockers
I have a '97 and waited until I could talk the wife into affording an
ARB air locker for the front. I have not regretted the wait at all.
It's there when I need it and it's not there when I need to make the
tight turns. I also think that it saves parts by not being there all
the time i.e., u-joints, steering components, and axles. Whatever
locker you decide on you should wait until you can do the gears at
the same time. It will save you money in the long run.
About 4-Wheelers supply, if you go in person to the shop you will be
more likely to get a better deal. The may match prices on parts, it
just depends upon the salesman you get. And I know first hand that
the shop will do work for you no matter where the parts come from.
Just tell them what you have and what you want done. In my opinion
they have some of the best mechanics in the valley, especially when
it comes to ring and pinion and locker work.
And while I am on the soapbox, remember that you always get what you
pay for.
Robert Brashears
97 TJ
11666 From: Ray B <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:56am
Subject: BIG BROTHER
The National Transportation Safety Board recently
divulged they had covertly funded a project with
the US auto makers for the past five years, whereby
the auto makers were installing black boxes in
four-wheel drive pickup trucks in an effort to
determine, in fatal accidents, the circumstances
in the last 15 seconds before the crash.
They were surprised to find in 45 of the 50 states
the last words of drivers in 61.2 percent of fatal
crashes were, "Oh, ****!" Only the states of Georgia,
Kentucky, South Carolina, West Virginia and
Arkansas were different, where over 89.3 percent
of the final words were: "Hold my beer and watch this!"
11667 From: Jeff Woods <phjwo@p...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 11:16am
Subject: BIG IORN
Does anyone have pictures of Big Iorn they can forward me or an address
where I can look them up. One of my friends at work doesn't believe it
exists.
Jeff
11668 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 11:14am
Subject: Re: BIG IORN
Jeff Woods wrote:
>
> Does anyone have pictures of Big Iorn they can forward me or an address
> where I can look them up. One of my friends at work doesn't believe it
> exists.
http://www.alloffroad.com/issue/2000/march/contents/monster.htm
11669 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 11:36am
Subject: Re: BIG IORN
Greg Banfield, Editor in Alloffroad and some other more went yesterday to Anaconda, he got AMAZING pictures of that Rockbuggy,
He will be writting an article about it, I already got the picture we will have for cover of the next month, its Big Iron stuck in a waterfall, an awesome shot by Greg.
Stay tuned!
Jesus Chio
www.alloffroad.com
Free webpages
http://signup.alloffroad.com
My Eb project
www.alloffroad.com/chio
----- Original Message -----
From: Daver
To: Jeff Woods
Cc: azvjc
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BIG IORN
Jeff Woods wrote:
>
> Does anyone have pictures of Big Iorn they can forward me or an address
> where I can look them up. One of my friends at work doesn't believe it
> exists.
http://www.alloffroad.com/issue/2000/march/contents/monster.htm
11670 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 0:13pm
Subject: Re: Front Lockers - TJ
I would never again put lockers in a vehicle. My LSDs (front and rear)
work as well (maybe even better) without the quirky street (chirping,
snapping, accelerated tire wear, etc.) and trail characteristics
(reduced steering, increased probablity of axle breakage, etc.).
Linda
93 ZJ
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> I have PowerTrax NoSlip lockers F&R. The front lockers go completely
> without notice until 4wd is engaged. So, what he said was true, at least
> with these lockers. The rear, on the other hand, exhibit terrible street
> manners since they are always engaged. I get the typical locker "chirp" on
> slow sharp turns. I get torque build-up which causes the body to yaw
> slightly on acceleration and "un-yaw" when taking my foot off the gas. None
> of this comes from the front lockers. I put in the rear lockers first, and
> there has been no on-road difference since doing so. I would do it all
> again. The road manners are easy to adjust to and the chirp is kinda' cute.
>
> Jon
>
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11671 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:19pm
Subject: Another Jeeper dies.... tragic story
http://www.the285ug.bizland.com/911.htm
Here is the story from the guy who witnessed the accident and tried
to administer help....
http://mountainbuzz.com/wwwboard/index2.pl?read=6026
Here is the Jeepers photopoint album of the same area...
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=761063&a=7548120
For those of you who frequent JeepsUnlimited, Mike was a member and
his username was Grizzer.
Time to start talking about Rollcages!
11672 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:28pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
At least everyone has an opinion....the best part about living in America!
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Linda Luik [mailto:linda.luik@m...]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:14
>To: Jon Loveless
>Cc: mike@m...; az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>I would never again put lockers in a vehicle. My LSDs (front and rear)
>work as well (maybe even better) without the quirky street (chirping,
>snapping, accelerated tire wear, etc.) and trail characteristics
>(reduced steering, increased probablity of axle breakage, etc.).
>
>Linda
>93 ZJ
>
>Jon Loveless wrote:
>>
>> I have PowerTrax NoSlip lockers F&R. The front lockers go completely
>> without notice until 4wd is engaged. So, what he said was true, at least
>> with these lockers. The rear, on the other hand, exhibit terrible street
>> manners since they are always engaged. I get the typical locker
>"chirp" on
>> slow sharp turns. I get torque build-up which causes the body to yaw
>> slightly on acceleration and "un-yaw" when taking my foot off
>the gas. None
>> of this comes from the front lockers. I put in the rear lockers
>first, and
>> there has been no on-road difference since doing so. I would do it all
>> again. The road manners are easy to adjust to and the chirp is
>kinda' cute.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> =================
>> Jon Loveless
>> Convenient P&C Group
>> (610) 521-6066
>> =================
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
11673 From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:32pm
Subject: TR - Bulldog Canyon Attendees
This post is to connect with those that have responded as planning/hoping to
make the run thru Bulldog Canyon this Saturday morning. Since I am on the
distribution to only receive the daily digests of the group correspondence
(which I see a day after), I need to ask that you email me directly to stay
in touch after today. Also, please feel free to call...I'll leave my phone
#'s below. I'll have my cell phone on Saturday mooring as well.
Again, meeting time is 7:00am at the Apache Junction Burger King near the
Southwest corner of Main (Old West Hwy) and Idaho Rd. Bring water and all
the normal 4 wheelin stuff, plus lunch, towel, sunscreen, etc (read "beer")
if you'll be sticking around after the run for a jaunt down to the Salt
River.
Looks like we'll have a decent sized group, but the wheelin's pretty easy
(at least was last time thru!) so we should make good time thru the Canyon.
Respondents so far:
Devon Whitney
Ken Unterriner
Tom Dunn
John Butler
Tom Quinn
Ray B
"Hackle" (sorry, dude...that's the best I could get from your email!)
plus two friends of mine, Andy Zimmerle and Andy Archibald. Andy A. drives
a lifted, gold XJ and should be at BK pretty early. If applicable, we're
bringing our wives, kids and dogs.
See ya Saturday!!!!
Tom Jacobson
(home): 480-924-2622
(cell): 480-221-3308
vehicle: '87 YJ, Black w/ blk hardtop, 4" lift, 33's
11674 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Front Lockers - TJ
We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
bought cars...
Your mileage may vary,
Chris
11675 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Front Lockers - TJ
Hoorah to that one. Stop wining and drive.
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Chris" <cmandrick@v...> wrote:
> We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I
am
> trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we
wanted a
> silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should
have
> bought cars...
>
> Your mileage may vary,
> Chris
11676 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 4:37pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@v...]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
11677 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 4:39pm
Subject: RE: Re: Front Lockers - TJ
Everyone knows it is not legal to drink wine and drive. I am glad you
support that! :P
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: grafik_lar@y... [mailto:grafik_lar@y...]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:44
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>Hoorah to that one. Stop wining and drive.
>
>--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Chris" <cmandrick@v...> wrote:
>> We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I
>am
>> trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we
>wanted a
>> silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should
>have
>> bought cars...
>>
>> Your mileage may vary,
>> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11678 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 7:52pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit in the rear rarely makes any noise as well. It is well behaved compared to the drop in lockers. I think a Detroit in the rear is a sound bulletproof choice. I like the Powertrax up front but sometimes think an ARB does have some advantages.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@velocityhsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11679 From: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 8:30pm
Subject: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
>Subject: Arizona Lift Laws
>X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bunyip.flash.net id
QAA22411
>
>I am in Utah an looking for a contact that can inform me about lift laws
on 4x4 vehicles in Arizona. Utah is ticketing any Jeep with a 4" lift and
33" tires as being unsafe. My wife was told to remove her new 33" tires
and replace them with smaller ones. I am trying to get the lift law
changed. Any help would be appreciated.
This is a copy of an email that was sent to one of the Tucson Rough Riders
members. At first, I thought this could not be true because of the
literally thousands of modified off road vehicles that make the trip to Moab
Utah each year, and I have never heard of anyone being ticketed because of
modifications. I decided to find out what I could about the Utah laws,
since I am going to be in Moab myself next month. I will be driving a Jeep
with 35 inch tires and about 6 inches of body and suspension lift. I spoke
with a Utah Highway Patrol officer, who works in the Moab area. This is what
he told me.
"Restrictive lift laws have been on the books in Utah for many years. These
laws are not stringently enforced, but can be used at the law officers’
discretion." The law uses a formula to calculate how much lift your vehicle
is allowed. Here is how it works. For vehicles with under 100 inch wheel
base.. multiply the wheel base in inches by the wheel track and divide by
2200. The result is how many inches of mechanical lift you are allowed.
Example, my Jeep has a 92 inch wheel base and a 63 inch track. 92 x 63 =
5796. 5796/2200=2.6. Under the law I am allowed a 2.6 inch mechanical lift
and can increase tire size up to 2.6 inches higher than stock. So in the
real world, I may have a 2.5 inch lift and maybe 32 inch tires to be street
legal in Utah. If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires, I still would
not be legal. I would also have fender flairs as wide as the tires, mud
flaps and full width bumpers. Vehicles with more than a 100 inch wheel base
could have up to an 8 inch lift. These laws apply to street driving and
there are no restrictions if you are off road.
I have not been able to find anyone who knows of any restrictive laws like
this in Arizona. I recently had to have a safety inspection done on my Jeep
by the Department of Motor Vehicles in Tucson, because of recent accident.
The inspection was through; it took almost an hour for the inspector to go
through his checklist. The only suggestion they had was that I fix a cracked
taillight. From this experience, I have concluded that there are presently,
no lift restriction laws here.
If anyone has more information about any Arizona “lift laws”, and would like
to reply to the email sent by the Utah resident, his address is
Craig-S@i.... I’m sure we would all support his efforts to get the Utah
law changed. We wouldn’t want laws like this to creep into Arizona. Lets
give him some encouragement.
11680 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 8:28pm
Subject: Re: Decent AZ web pages
I've got a few :-) good ones at
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=189155
Check 'em out.
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Toybox Off-Road
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
Jason Grover wrote:
> Hey all, are there any good 4wd web pages that have a lot of pictures from
> down there?
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Jason
>
>
11681 From: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 8:45pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
Scott,
As you know, my rig is set up almost the same as yours, except I don't have a 4 to 1 gears, (and I think I have out don you in the dent department) I do have a 2wd low range kit in my transfer case. I can easily move the front in and out of 4wd while my rear Detroit keeps doing it's job. I think this gives me the same advantages as having an ARB in the front, without the hassels of air pumps and tubes. The cost of a No Slip and 2wd low range is probably less than an ARB. Now if I could just get 4 to 1 gears, it would be the ideal combination.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:53 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit in the rear rarely makes any noise as well. It is well behaved compared to the drop in lockers. I think a Detroit in the rear is a sound bulletproof choice. I like the Powertrax up front but sometimes think an ARB does have some advantages.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@velocityhsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11682 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:04pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
Tim,
I installed the 2LO kit at the same time as the Teralow. If i remember correctly you asked me about how I liked it before you installed yours :) Funny how that memory works huh? One of these days we'll actually meet on the trail. Until then...
Take it easy,
Scott
Tim Naylor wrote:
Scott,
As you know, my rig is set up almost the same as yours, except I don't have a 4 to 1 gears, (and I think I have out don you in the dent department) I do have a 2wd low range kit in my transfer case. I can easily move the front in and out of 4wd while my rear Detroit keeps doing it's job. I think this gives me the same advantages as having an ARB in the front, without the hassels of air pumps and tubes. The cost of a No Slip and 2wd low range is probably less than an ARB. Now if I could just get 4 to 1 gears, it would be the ideal combination.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:53 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit in the rear rarely makes any noise as well. It is well behaved compared to the drop in lockers. I think a Detroit in the rear is a sound bulletproof choice. I like the Powertrax up front but sometimes think an ARB does have some advantages.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@velocityhsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
>
>
>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11683 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 10:13pm
Subject: RE: Front Lockers - TJ
Tim,
When we slip into 2LO we do free up the front axle for steering, but for some in the group it depends on how they use their Jeep. Sometimes it would be nice to run 4WD with an open diff up front. If someone drives their Jeep in the snow or on ice there are advantages to having the open diff option of the ARB. In this scenario a locked up front would be downright dangerous. But strictly for rockcrawling, its probably about equal - which is what I built my TJ for. Thats why I chose the Detroit, NoSlip, & 2LO combo.
Scott
Tim Naylor wrote:
Scott,
As you know, my rig is set up almost the same as yours, except I don't have a 4 to 1 gears, (and I think I have out don you in the dent department) I do have a 2wd low range kit in my transfer case. I can easily move the front in and out of 4wd while my rear Detroit keeps doing it's job. I think this gives me the same advantages as having an ARB in the front, without the hassels of air pumps and tubes. The cost of a No Slip and 2wd low range is probably less than an ARB. Now if I could just get 4 to 1 gears, it would be the ideal combination.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:53 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
My Detroit in the rear rarely makes any noise as well. It is well behaved compared to the drop in lockers. I think a Detroit in the rear is a sound bulletproof choice. I like the Powertrax up front but sometimes think an ARB does have some advantages.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
My Detroit does not chirp and/or make lotsa noise on the street. A couple
of times a month, it will let loose with a pop....that is about it.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris [mailto:cmandrick@velocityhsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 15:24
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Front Lockers - TJ
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>We all know lockers make lotsa noise on the street, people think I am
>trying to impress them when I leave a parking space, but if we wanted a
>silky-smooth ride, no bumpsteer, and normal tire wear, we should have
>bought cars...
>
>Your mileage may vary,
>Chris
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11684 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 11:31pm
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
Interesting... I just moved from Utah a few months ago. I have 35" tires
and about 5 1/2" of lift on my CJ7. I used my Jeep as my daily driver, and
passed many a highway patrolman in my travels. I will admit that I was
pulled over twice for not having mud flaps, but they never said anything
about the lift or size of my tires. The second time I was pulled over I
asked exactly what was required to make my jeep legal, and the officer told
me that as long as the fender flares extended to the edge of the tires and
mud flaps extended to a certain distance above the ground (I forget exactly
what that distance was), I'd be legal. So apparently many of the UHP
officers don't know all the restrictive lift laws. I was a member of a Jeep
club in Utah which included many jeeps at least as tall as mine, and I'm not
aware of anyone else in the club ever being pulled over. Also, Utah
requires an annual safety inspection, and a vehicle will not fail the
inspection because of the size of the lift or tires. I find it odd that
vehicles that will pass a safety inspection would be illegal...
Another intersting sidenote: It is also illegal to drive without a front
license plate in Utah. I was surprised when I moved to Arizona and found
out that we don't even *get* front license plates... My brother, who has a
4" lift and 33" tires, was pulled over (in Moab, no less) for not having a
front plate. Again, the officer didn't mention the lift or tires, just the
missing license plate.
darren
83 CJ7
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Naylor <tim.naylor@w...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
> >Subject: Arizona Lift Laws
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> >I am in Utah an looking for a contact that can inform me about lift laws
> on 4x4 vehicles in Arizona. Utah is ticketing any Jeep with a 4" lift and
> 33" tires as being unsafe. My wife was told to remove her new 33" tires
> and replace them with smaller ones. I am trying to get the lift law
> changed. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> This is a copy of an email that was sent to one of the Tucson Rough Riders
> members. At first, I thought this could not be true because of the
> literally thousands of modified off road vehicles that make the trip to
Moab
> Utah each year, and I have never heard of anyone being ticketed because of
> modifications. I decided to find out what I could about the Utah laws,
> since I am going to be in Moab myself next month. I will be driving a Jeep
> with 35 inch tires and about 6 inches of body and suspension lift. I spoke
> with a Utah Highway Patrol officer, who works in the Moab area. This is
what
> he told me.
> "Restrictive lift laws have been on the books in Utah for many years.
These
> laws are not stringently enforced, but can be used at the law officers'
> discretion." The law uses a formula to calculate how much lift your
vehicle
> is allowed. Here is how it works. For vehicles with under 100 inch wheel
> base.. multiply the wheel base in inches by the wheel track and divide by
> 2200. The result is how many inches of mechanical lift you are allowed.
> Example, my Jeep has a 92 inch wheel base and a 63 inch track. 92 x 63 =
> 5796. 5796/2200=2.6. Under the law I am allowed a 2.6 inch mechanical lift
> and can increase tire size up to 2.6 inches higher than stock. So in the
> real world, I may have a 2.5 inch lift and maybe 32 inch tires to be
street
> legal in Utah. If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires, I still would
> not be legal. I would also have fender flairs as wide as the tires, mud
> flaps and full width bumpers. Vehicles with more than a 100 inch wheel
base
> could have up to an 8 inch lift. These laws apply to street driving and
> there are no restrictions if you are off road.
> I have not been able to find anyone who knows of any restrictive laws like
> this in Arizona. I recently had to have a safety inspection done on my
Jeep
> by the Department of Motor Vehicles in Tucson, because of recent accident.
> The inspection was through; it took almost an hour for the inspector to go
> through his checklist. The only suggestion they had was that I fix a
cracked
> taillight. From this experience, I have concluded that there are
presently,
> no lift restriction laws here.
> If anyone has more information about any Arizona "lift laws", and would
like
> to reply to the email sent by the Utah resident, his address is
> Craig-S@i.... I'm sure we would all support his efforts to get the
Utah
> law changed. We wouldn't want laws like this to creep into Arizona. Lets
> give him some encouragement.
>
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11685 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 0:12am
Subject: tj locker
Like I said a few weeks ago a cable locker is being developed for the dana series locker. It's on a website under the name 'oxtrax'. I think this would be everyone's best option. I'm holding out...
Nick
Nnote@neta.com
Nnote@juno.com
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11686 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2000 4:09am
Subject: Re: A 4 inch lift is illegal in Utan!!
"If I did have a wienie lift and wimpy tires" way to win friends to support your cause!!!!! Since I would venture to say that most of the members are under the 6" by 35" tires you probably offended half of the group.
11687 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2000 3:01pm
Subject: Finally moving
Well everyone.. the moment has finally come. After 10 months of suffering.
living with inlaws and the grand parents RV..
WE ARE MOVING INTO THE NEW HOUSE TOMARROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOHOOOO!!!!!
Catch ya all next week.......
Dave
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