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11563 From: Mike Anderson <msa12171@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 3:42pm
Subject: TR: Upper Terminator 8/12
Well, no one took a camera so here is my report on the trip. There
were 6 Jeeps that showed (3 were no shows, with one late entry). We
got started and found that the little water that accumulated from the
rain gave us a bit of slippery maneuvering. One jeep got a tire
puncture and had to do a change (sorry, I didn't get your name) then
shortly after that Mike C. got a sidewall puncture and had to plug it
since his spare was damaged the night before while extracting the ZJ
from Lower Terminator. I had exhaust troubels by way of backing up
into a rock, which closed off the pipe and pulled it off of the two
rear hangers and bent the right rear shock. We tried to re-hang the
pipe but it didn't stay. A few hang-ups here and there but nothing
major. I had bent the center tie rod that I sleaved and put a pipe
into to reinforce (not enough) on a large rock that I didn't see.
Thanks to Joe Clark for winching it straight again. A few of the
gang headed to see Predator and the rest of us headed back to
civilization at around 10:30am. A quick but eventful trip. Are we
going to continue on to Predator now? I'm in.
Mike Anderson
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11564 From: Kevin Fell <kevin.fell@b...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 4:27pm
Subject: Just in case anyone is interested...
Here is a link to some e-mail etiquette pointers on Yahoo. No, I didn't say anyone NEEDED them...but I did read them and came up with a couple that I didn't know...enjoy (or delete) at your leisure.
=Kevin=
11565 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 5:10pm
Subject: Re: Good report on a Company
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "david oboyle" <davidoboyle@h...> wrote:> I had my windshield replaced Saturday by a local company called> Integrity auto glass. I have glass coverage on my XJ and was goingto get > the windshield replaced sooner or later but I was being lazy andforgot to > call the ins co. on it.. My wife was gassing up at an AM/PM> on 99th and Glendale when this guy in a tie came up and startedwashing the > window. He said "I notice you have a large crack in your window,> would you like it replaced?" My wife was quite shocked.. He askedwhat ins. > co. we used, she told him the company and he pulled out his cellphone and > dialed up the ins co. got approval and scheduled an appointment inno time.. > I was told the installer would be out between noon and 5pm onSaturday. > Matt the installer called to verify the adress and some shortdirections due > to my living in the middle of nowhere..> Within 20 miniutes he was pulling into the drive. He startedpulling the old > cracked windshield out and cleaned all the old gasket out and anydebris > that was in the area even the top of my dash.. In about 30 miniuteshe had > the new window in and perfectly clean. Gave me good instructions onwhat to > do and what not to do untill the setup of the adheasive wasfinished.. I > just want everyone to know I have used Safe lite auto glass 3 timesand > everytime I had them come out they were slow and had poor quality.Integrity > auto glass is top notch and they even get you OEM glass (MOPAR)!!!not > safe-lite glass wich is a lower quality glass.. Safe lite replacedmy Wing > windows when My rig got broken into twice, guess what leakseverytime it > rains?? My wing windows... When Safe lite replaced my windshieldjust after > I got my XJ they didn't remove the old bead of adheasive they justadded to > the old stuff. The window used to leak from the bottom when I woulduse the > Pressure washer..> > OK I am done..> Integrity Auto glass ask for Matt Rosenbaum 602-717-2660> ps.. Arizona
11566 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 6:08pm
Subject: Regear @ 4 Wheelers
These guys are really helpful and based on what I've read pretty good on the price. Swapping to 456 and adding a Powertrax in the back came to $1500. Fortunately there was no backlog so it goes in next Tues.
Thanks for all of the help everyone
Rick
11567 From: Merle Harding <merleharding@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:06pm
Subject: Need help on lockers
I own a 92 wrangler YJ with a 4in. superlift kit and 32x11.5 all
terrain tires. The wife and I went to Moab earlier this year and had
a wonderful time trying out the slick rock trails. But when I got a
wheel in the air, I was dead in the water. Lockers, Powertrax,
Lockright, Detroits. What would be a good starter for the rear axle
for a guy on a budget. Thoughts and opinions, Please
Merle.
11568 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:24pm
Subject: RE: Need help on lockers
Merle,
I would probably approach it not so much as a "good starter", but more like
"I only want to do this once cuz it cost too much to do it twice" approach.
<G>
Is this your Jeep your daily driver? What kind of rear axle do you have in
your YJ? What kind of plans for your YJ are in the future? These are
usually some of the things to consider when making your choice.
I have a Detroit Locker and love it. Other guys like the Lock-Right on
account of it being less expensive to install. An ARB is probably the most
expensive root to go. A few folks have recently had a Powertrax installed
but I don't know enough about them to say one way or the other.
Stu
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-----Original Message-----
From: Merle Harding [mailto:merleharding@y...]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:07 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Need help on lockers
I own a 92 wrangler YJ with a 4in. superlift kit and 32x11.5 all
terrain tires. The wife and I went to Moab earlier this year and had
a wonderful time trying out the slick rock trails. But when I got a
wheel in the air, I was dead in the water. Lockers, Powertrax,
Lockright, Detroits. What would be a good starter for the rear axle
for a guy on a budget. Thoughts and opinions, Please
Merle.
11569 From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:56pm
Subject: chiva falls? :(
Damn, I wanna go, but stupid quadratec has my extended brake lines on back
order.. damn it..
--Bryan
> Subject: Chiva Falls
>
> How many are expected to do the Chiva Falls run on Sat(19th)? What route
is
> it going to be, or is it open? I am trying to get an estimation of the
time
> on trail (excluding breakdowns)
>
> Ryan Gilmore
> 51 CJ3A - Tucson
> jeepster51@h...
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:34:27 -0000
> From: sinanturel@y...
> Subject: Re: Chiva Falls
>
> Count me in, if you go the way in and out the same way
> its about 2hrs. to 3hrs. each way. Having lunch at the falls is a good
> idear.
>
> Sinan
>
>
11570 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 9:00pm
Subject: Re: help me diag clutch noises
Jeff,
My K5 Blazer did the same thing, then one day the Throwout bering exploded
into little pieces of shrapnel, I had to replace the clutch throwout bering
pressure plate and the input shaft pilot housing...
It ran me about 300.00 for all the parts and took 2 months to complete by my
self..... No one wanted to help pull the tranny and transfer case.. It was
quite a learning experience... In my opinion your throw out bering is
beginning to go and needs replacement soon or you'll be replacing everything
soon...
Dave
>From: "Jeff Meade" <jeffm@d...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] help me diag clutch noises
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:57:21 -0000
>
>My '78 Cherokee started making new noises a few days ago. Note -
>AMC360/T18/D20/D44s - anyway, there are two distinct different
>sounds, one with the clutch partially engaged, sounds like screech
>screech screech very quickly. Is this possibly a bad throwout
>bearing? The other is when the clutch is engaged (pedal out) in 2nd
>and 3rd gear. This sound is almost like the flywheel or part of the
>clutch assy is contacting the trans housing.
>
>At first I thought these probs might be due to the clutch linkage,
>but I confirmed that the pedal free play was correct as per the
>Chilton's manual. The clutch assembly seems to engage fully,
>although I get ever so slight rubbing noises with the pedal
>completely to the floor. I can shift gears fine, so I gather the
>clutch is completely disengaging. I haven't removed the inspection
>plate at the front of the trans yet, but would that even help me
>determine what's going on?
>
>Note - this is a mechanical, not hydrolic clutch. I posted a similar
>msg on a FSJ board and one member said he had a similar sound but it
>eventually went away. I don't think I want to drive this when it's
>making this much noise. I have only had this Cherokee for about 3
>weeks, so I can't say whether it's done this before.
>
>Any thoughts or ideas here would help me out. I don't know any
>decent tranny shops around here (Chandler) so if anyone has a lead on
>a decent shop please pass the information along. I eventually wanted
>to put a dual friction centerforce in this beast, so maybe that time
>is now.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11571 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:58pm
Subject: Re: TR: Upper Terminator 8/12
I'll second a Predator trip. But can we wait a few weeks until it cools off
a little more?? (Smiling smugly)
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11572 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 9:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Chiva Falls
FLASH FLOODS are a ***** ain't they.....
Dave
>From: "Matthew Barker" <azjeepnut@t...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Chiva Falls
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:23:37 MST
>
>Well, I was planning on going but the San Pedro River decided it wanted my
>Jeep on Friday night, so looks like I'll be out of it for a while until I
>can get everything fixed and all the sand out. Thank God for full coverage
>insurance, huh? Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, yes I was crossing
>the river by way of a road, so nothing illegal there...
>
>Matt B.
>94 YJ
>http://azjeeps.web.com
>Range Riders 4 Wheelers
>Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
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11573 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 5:54pm
Subject: Re: TR: Upper Terminator 8/12
Count me in! hehehe
Sharky
11574 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 10:10pm
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Brake Lines
I'd go for the stainless lines. The biggest advantage being the improved brake response, they don't swell like the rubber ones. This reminds me, I need to swap the one rubber line in the rear sometime.
Scott Kruize
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11575 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 9:53pm
Subject: Re: Need help on lockers
I have a 93 YJ and have Lock-Rites in both axles, the first went in the rear
and the front followed a couple of years later. Last September I took a trip
to Moab and had a great time, the Lock-Rites worked GREAT, they are
inexpensive, can be installed in your garage/carport and are readily
available. I highly recomend them for your first locker, especially if you
are on a budget. The Dana 35c locker was under $300 and installed in about 1
1/2 hours. Another benefit to Lock-Rites is they don't require any special
additives, I use 85-140 gear oil and have not had any problems or regrets.
These lockers gave me the traction neccesary to run Moab, Upper and Lower
Woodpecker, Upper and Lower Ajax, Upper and Lower Terminator, etc...,
admittedly a strap and hi-lift were needed on occasion but that was due to a
lack of clearance rather then traction, (I have 31x10.50 BFG's).
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
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11576 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 10:41pm
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Brake Lines
I copied this info from a JPOR discussion about a year ago. The below comments are not mine but rather a collection of other's.
*******************
SS Brake lines - Pros
1. They don't swell like rubber lines, so they can potentially firm up your brake pedal.
2. If you're doing a lot of off-road driving, the stainless-steel braid may protect your lines from being punctured by rocks or whatever.
SS Brake lines - Concerns
1. When you install them, you must make SURE that they can't kink, twist, or stretch under any combination of wheel droop, bump, or (for the front wheels) steer.
2. The stainless-steel outer braid will cut through anything against which it rubs, so you have to make sure that the lines don't rub back and forth over anything important.
3. Stainless steel lines have been known to fail when dirt gets between the outer braid and the Teflon lining... As the braid moves back and forth, the dirt abrades the Teflon and can make it rupture. If you look at stainless-steel lines on motorcycles, you'll see that many of them are encased in plastic tubing, apparently in an effort to eliminate this problem. The tubing also helps considerably with the abrasion issue mentioned above.
*****************
Nearly all passenger cars are shipped with rubber brake lines, and they hardly ever fail.
*****************
"Stainless-steel" lines are made of Teflon tubing, not rubber. Teflon has a number of advantages over rubber; the chief ones are that it doesn't expand under pressure and it doesn't deteriorate with age. It also resists high temperatures and is chemically inert, so it's compatible with all brake fluids.
However, Teflon is pretty fragile, so it has to be protected from physical damage (chafing, flying rocks, etc.). Although some manufacturers armor their Teflon hoses with Kevlar, most protect the Teflon with an external sheath of braided stainless-steel wire... So that's why armored Teflon hose is usually called "stainless-steel hose".
******************
"We've run braided lines and had them fray, pinch, kink, and come apart before... a few times. For this reason we now offer only the safest DOT longer rubber brake lines for your lifted 4x4" .... RockyRoad Outfitters
******************
Regarding your original question about needing more length.... I have heard that YJ hoses are 3" longer and use the same fittings or you can lower the bracket quite easily.
Good Luck,
Larry
11577 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 11:12pm
Subject: 1988 XJ -- free to good home
Don't get too excited about this offer -- there is a catch (several of
them actually). It's kinda like the Paul Harvey radio show.......wait until
you hear the rest of the story before you make any offers.
This summer has been an almost complete balls up for me and my family.
We've driven over 10,000 miles, had our property destroyed, our money
stolen, been taken advantage of, and just generally had a sh*tty time (with
a couple of nice exceptions, but far too few).
Anyway, we've almost got our lives back together and are actually thinking
about rejoining the human race. I do however have a couple of things I need
to clean up before I can start my life again:
1. I need to return David O'Boyle's engine hoist. Dave, if you'll send me
your address AGAIN I'll bring it out to you this weekend. Beer and steak
are on me.
2. I need to get rid of this POS XJ that is sitting in my yard. The first
big catch in the deal is that I DO NOT HAVE A TITLE TO THE VEHICLE. This
truck was abandoned by it's previous owners when we kicked them out of our
house. It was being used as daily transportation and as a trail rig (a lot
of you will recognize it) until it threw a rod through the oil pan. Here is
a list of good/bad things about it:
4.0 engine with at least one rod thrown
working auto tranny
working transfer case
good front axle
bad rear axle - spider gears broken and welded into a spool
passenger front window broken out
body in good shape overall
4" ProComp lift kit
31" tires
15x8 black spoke rims
good interior with some wear - drivers seat ripped
power seats and windows
no keys - will have to disconnect the rear driveshaft and break the
steering lock to move it - or pull it straight onto a trailer
I could file for an abandoned title and part the thing out to recoup some of
our losses resulting from our failed attempt to help a family in need, but I
don't have the time or the room in the yard for that. At this point I just
want the POS out of my front yard.
If any of you want to go to the trouble of getting an abandoned title for it
and can bring a trailer to pick it up, you can have it. Otherwise, I'm just
going to drag it out to the side of the street and have the city of Phoenix
red-tag it and tow it away. I can't give it to any junk yards without
having a title for it, so it will end up in a city impound lot. At least it
will be out of my yard.
I have not spoken to this vehicles owners since they abandoned it (and their
dog) at our house on their departure almost a month ago. Considering the
circumstances surrounding our "parting of the ways" I do not expect to ever
hear from them again -- stealing my children's piggy banks kinda put a
damper on the relationship.
If you're interested, you can see a pic of the vehicle here:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=41056&a=271409&p=10861910
I'm sure some of you will recognize the vehicle and realize who the owners
are, and even though I now consider them to be the scum of the earth I would
appreciate it if no names were mentioned on the list.
Len
11578 From: dave oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 11:59pm
Subject: I here by claim first dibbs on the 88XJ
I call dibbs
Dave
11579 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 1:30am
Subject: Re: 1988 XJ -- free to good home
Hey Len,
If anything part the POS out, it looks like it does have some good features.
Buy your kid a new piggybank with interest. I had your problem once. I
ended up leaving the vehicle parked halfway through the abandoners garage
door at 3am...with a gas tank full of foam peanuts. Another option is
parked backwards in front of a fire hydrant or in an emergency zone at the
hospital, karma kicks the previous owner in the butt for that...
Have a better day
Nick
11580 From: Matt Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 5:55am
Subject: RE: Re: Chiva Falls
Oh, most definitely!!!
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
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From:
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Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:22 PM
To: azjeepnut@t...; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Chiva Falls
FLASH FLOODS are a ***** ain't they.....
Dave
>From: "Matthew Barker" <azjeepnut@t...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Chiva Falls
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:23:37 MST
>
>Well, I was planning on going but the San Pedro River decided it wanted my
>Jeep on Friday night, so looks like I'll be out of it for a while until I
>can get everything fixed and all the sand out. Thank God for full coverage
>insurance, huh? Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, yes I was crossing
>the river by way of a road, so nothing illegal there...
>
>Matt B.
>94 YJ
>http://azjeeps.web.com
>Range Riders 4 Wheelers
>Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
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11581 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 11:10pm
Subject: Jeepers loose life
11:05pm, I Just heard on 620 KTAR that a Las Vegas father and 3yr old son
were killed trying to strap a stranded motorist out of the sand at Lake
MEAD. Apperantly the tow strap broke sending the Jeep flying off a 30 foot
cliff into the water at full throttle... please take a moment of silence for
them..
Dave
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11582 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 8:46am
Subject: Re: Jeepers loose life
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2000/aug/14/510632342.html
Two die when Jeep plunges into lake
By Keith Paul
<keith@l...>
LAS VEGAS SUN
A man and a child were killed early this
morning after their Jeep plummeted down
a 40-foot embankment and submerged
upside down in Lake Mead.
Another child, a 4-year-old boy in the
Jeep, escaped serious injury when he was
thrown from the vehicle.
The driver of the Jeep was reportedly
trying to tow another car that was stuck in
a primitive camping area off Northshore
Road near mile marker 8 in the Lake
Mead National Recreation Area.
The Jeep crashed down the cliff and into
Lake Mead about 12:15 a.m., National
Park Service officials said.
The names of the man driving the Jeep
and the child who died were not released
this morning pending the notification of
their family. The child who survived the
accident was released to the care of the
mother, officials said.
The accident is still under investigation.
david oboyle wrote:
>
> 11:05pm, I Just heard on 620 KTAR that a Las Vegas father and 3yr old son
> were killed trying to strap a stranded motorist out of the sand at Lake
> MEAD. Apperantly the tow strap broke sending the Jeep flying off a 30 foot
> cliff into the water at full throttle... please take a moment of silence for
> them..
>
> Dave
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11583 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 8:46am
Subject: Re: 1988 XJ -- free to good home
Sorry to hear about the not so good times, I wondered why I have not
heard from you in awhile. Looks like the recovery will be short and
sweet, If you get a chance in the next couple of weeks could you
e-mail me you phone number ?
Sinan
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...> wrote:
> Don't get too excited about this offer -- there is a catch
(several of
> them actually). It's kinda like the Paul Harvey radio
show.......wait until
> you hear the rest of the story before you make any offers.
>
> This summer has been an almost complete balls up for me and my
family.
> We've driven over 10,000 miles, had our property destroyed, our
money
> stolen, been taken advantage of, and just generally had a sh*tty
time (with
> a couple of nice exceptions, but far too few).
>
> Anyway, we've almost got our lives back together and are actually
thinking
> about rejoining the human race. I do however have a couple of
things I need
> to clean up before I can start my life again:
>
> 1. I need to return David O'Boyle's engine hoist. Dave, if you'll
send me
> your address AGAIN I'll bring it out to you this weekend. Beer and
steak
> are on me.
>
> 2. I need to get rid of this POS XJ that is sitting in my yard.
The first
> big catch in the deal is that I DO NOT HAVE A TITLE TO THE VEHICLE.
This
> truck was abandoned by it's previous owners when we kicked them out
of our
> house. It was being used as daily transportation and as a trail
rig
(a lot
> of you will recognize it) until it threw a rod through the oil pan.
Here is
> a list of good/bad things about it:
>
> 4.0 engine with at least one rod thrown
> working auto tranny
> working transfer case
> good front axle
> bad rear axle - spider gears broken and welded into a spool
> passenger front window broken out
> body in good shape overall
> 4" ProComp lift kit
> 31" tires
> 15x8 black spoke rims
> good interior with some wear - drivers seat ripped
> power seats and windows
> no keys - will have to disconnect the rear driveshaft and break
the
> steering lock to move it - or pull it straight onto a trailer
>
> I could file for an abandoned title and part the thing out to
recoup
some of
> our losses resulting from our failed attempt to help a family in
need, but I
> don't have the time or the room in the yard for that. At this
point
I just
> want the POS out of my front yard.
>
> If any of you want to go to the trouble of getting an abandoned
title for it
> and can bring a trailer to pick it up, you can have it. Otherwise,
I'm just
> going to drag it out to the side of the street and have the city of
Phoenix
> red-tag it and tow it away. I can't give it to any junk yards
without
> having a title for it, so it will end up in a city impound lot. At
least it
> will be out of my yard.
>
> I have not spoken to this vehicles owners since they abandoned it
(and their
> dog) at our house on their departure almost a month ago.
Considering the
> circumstances surrounding our "parting of the ways" I do not expect
to ever
> hear from them again -- stealing my children's piggy banks kinda
put a
> damper on the relationship.
>
> If you're interested, you can see a pic of the vehicle here:
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=41056&a=271409&p=10861910
>
> I'm sure some of you will recognize the vehicle and realize who the
owners
> are, and even though I now consider them to be the scum of the
earth
I would
> appreciate it if no names were mentioned on the list.
>
>
> Len
11584 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 3:06am
Subject: Re: Chiva Falls
What's the trail rating of this run? I'd be interested in going, but I'm in
a stock rig until at least Christmas. Are there bypasses for any tough
parts?
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11585 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 10:22am
Subject: Re: Chiva Falls
I would rate it at 3-3.5. I have seen a stock 2000 TJ make it, without
any problems. Don't know of any bypasses, but you can always try a
different line. If you have driven on rocks before you should'nt have
a problem, I think this is a great learning trail !
Sinan
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...>
wrote:
> What's the trail rating of this run? I'd be interested in going,
but
I'm in
> a stock rig until at least Christmas. Are there bypasses for any
tough
> parts?
>
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11586 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 10:34am
Subject: Speaker boxes
I have two JBL 6X9 3 ways I want to put in my Jeep, I have had no
radio for about a year now, I was wandering if anybody knew of some
good Boxes that would fit without letting them get wet whe It rains,
or should I just make my own.
Larry George
87' Wrangler
11587 From: <thumpaz@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 7:01am
Subject: TR: Late Notice, Anaconda
Ok seriously serious trail run tomorrow night on Anacaonda. Meet at the
Table Mesa west side parking lot at about 6:30 PM or at the trailhead a
little later. Trail is being run by Dave Hickman in Big Iron, Mr Ed and a
couple others.
For more in depth info, contact Mr Ed @ mred@m... phone 602-589-8050
This run may be cancelled so call or contact Mr Ed to make sure it is AWN!
Glenn
11563 From: Mike Anderson <msa12171@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 3:42pm
Subject: TR: Upper Terminator 8/12
Well, no one took a camera so here is my report on the trip. There
were 6 Jeeps that showed (3 were no shows, with one late entry). We
got started and found that the little water that accumulated from the
rain gave us a bit of slippery maneuvering. One jeep got a tire
puncture and had to do a change (sorry, I didn't get your name) then
shortly after that Mike C. got a sidewall puncture and had to plug it
since his spare was damaged the night before while extracting the ZJ
from Lower Terminator. I had exhaust troubels by way of backing up
into a rock, which closed off the pipe and pulled it off of the two
rear hangers and bent the right rear shock. We tried to re-hang the
pipe but it didn't stay. A few hang-ups here and there but nothing
major. I had bent the center tie rod that I sleaved and put a pipe
into to reinforce (not enough) on a large rock that I didn't see.
Thanks to Joe Clark for winching it straight again. A few of the
gang headed to see Predator and the rest of us headed back to
civilization at around 10:30am. A quick but eventful trip. Are we
going to continue on to Predator now? I'm in.
Mike Anderson
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Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 4:27pm
Subject: Just in case anyone is interested...
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11565 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 5:10pm
Subject: Re: Good report on a Company
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "david oboyle" <davidoboyle@h...> wrote:> I had my windshield replaced Saturday by a local company called> Integrity auto glass. I have glass coverage on my XJ and was goingto get > the windshield replaced sooner or later but I was being lazy andforgot to > call the ins co. on it.. My wife was gassing up at an AM/PM> on 99th and Glendale when this guy in a tie came up and startedwashing the > window. He said "I notice you have a large crack in your window,> would you like it replaced?" My wife was quite shocked.. He askedwhat ins. > co. we used, she told him the company and he pulled out his cellphone and > dialed up the ins co. got approval and scheduled an appointment inno time.. > I was told the installer would be out between noon and 5pm onSaturday. > Matt the installer called to verify the adress and some shortdirections due > to my living in the middle of nowhere..> Within 20 miniutes he was pulling into the drive. He startedpulling the old > cracked windshield out and cleaned all the old gasket out and anydebris > that was in the area even the top of my dash.. In about 30 miniuteshe had > the new window in and perfectly clean. Gave me good instructions onwhat to > do and what not to do untill the setup of the adheasive wasfinished.. I > just want everyone to know I have used Safe lite auto glass 3 timesand > everytime I had them come out they were slow and had poor quality.Integrity > auto glass is top notch and they even get you OEM glass (MOPAR)!!!not > safe-lite glass wich is a lower quality glass.. Safe lite replacedmy Wing > windows when My rig got broken into twice, guess what leakseverytime it > rains?? My wing windows... When Safe lite replaced my windshieldjust after > I got my XJ they didn't remove the old bead of adheasive they justadded to > the old stuff. The window used to leak from the bottom when I woulduse the > Pressure washer..> > OK I am done..> Integrity Auto glass ask for Matt Rosenbaum 602-717-2660> ps.. Arizona
11566 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 6:08pm
Subject: Regear @ 4 Wheelers
These guys are really helpful and based on what I've read pretty good on the price. Swapping to 456 and adding a Powertrax in the back came to $1500. Fortunately there was no backlog so it goes in next Tues.
Thanks for all of the help everyone
Rick
11567 From: Merle Harding <merleharding@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:06pm
Subject: Need help on lockers
I own a 92 wrangler YJ with a 4in. superlift kit and 32x11.5 all
terrain tires. The wife and I went to Moab earlier this year and had
a wonderful time trying out the slick rock trails. But when I got a
wheel in the air, I was dead in the water. Lockers, Powertrax,
Lockright, Detroits. What would be a good starter for the rear axle
for a guy on a budget. Thoughts and opinions, Please
Merle.
11568 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:24pm
Subject: RE: Need help on lockers
Merle,
I would probably approach it not so much as a "good starter", but more like
"I only want to do this once cuz it cost too much to do it twice" approach.
<G>
Is this your Jeep your daily driver? What kind of rear axle do you have in
your YJ? What kind of plans for your YJ are in the future? These are
usually some of the things to consider when making your choice.
I have a Detroit Locker and love it. Other guys like the Lock-Right on
account of it being less expensive to install. An ARB is probably the most
expensive root to go. A few folks have recently had a Powertrax installed
but I don't know enough about them to say one way or the other.
Stu
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-----Original Message-----
From: Merle Harding [mailto:merleharding@y...]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:07 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Need help on lockers
I own a 92 wrangler YJ with a 4in. superlift kit and 32x11.5 all
terrain tires. The wife and I went to Moab earlier this year and had
a wonderful time trying out the slick rock trails. But when I got a
wheel in the air, I was dead in the water. Lockers, Powertrax,
Lockright, Detroits. What would be a good starter for the rear axle
for a guy on a budget. Thoughts and opinions, Please
Merle.
11569 From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:56pm
Subject: chiva falls? :(
Damn, I wanna go, but stupid quadratec has my extended brake lines on back
order.. damn it..
--Bryan
> Subject: Chiva Falls
>
> How many are expected to do the Chiva Falls run on Sat(19th)? What route
is
> it going to be, or is it open? I am trying to get an estimation of the
time
> on trail (excluding breakdowns)
>
> Ryan Gilmore
> 51 CJ3A - Tucson
> jeepster51@h...
> __________________________________________________ ______________________
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:34:27 -0000
> From: sinanturel@y...
> Subject: Re: Chiva Falls
>
> Count me in, if you go the way in and out the same way
> its about 2hrs. to 3hrs. each way. Having lunch at the falls is a good
> idear.
>
> Sinan
>
>
11570 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 9:00pm
Subject: Re: help me diag clutch noises
Jeff,
My K5 Blazer did the same thing, then one day the Throwout bering exploded
into little pieces of shrapnel, I had to replace the clutch throwout bering
pressure plate and the input shaft pilot housing...
It ran me about 300.00 for all the parts and took 2 months to complete by my
self..... No one wanted to help pull the tranny and transfer case.. It was
quite a learning experience... In my opinion your throw out bering is
beginning to go and needs replacement soon or you'll be replacing everything
soon...
Dave
>From: "Jeff Meade" <jeffm@d...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] help me diag clutch noises
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:57:21 -0000
>
>My '78 Cherokee started making new noises a few days ago. Note -
>AMC360/T18/D20/D44s - anyway, there are two distinct different
>sounds, one with the clutch partially engaged, sounds like screech
>screech screech very quickly. Is this possibly a bad throwout
>bearing? The other is when the clutch is engaged (pedal out) in 2nd
>and 3rd gear. This sound is almost like the flywheel or part of the
>clutch assy is contacting the trans housing.
>
>At first I thought these probs might be due to the clutch linkage,
>but I confirmed that the pedal free play was correct as per the
>Chilton's manual. The clutch assembly seems to engage fully,
>although I get ever so slight rubbing noises with the pedal
>completely to the floor. I can shift gears fine, so I gather the
>clutch is completely disengaging. I haven't removed the inspection
>plate at the front of the trans yet, but would that even help me
>determine what's going on?
>
>Note - this is a mechanical, not hydrolic clutch. I posted a similar
>msg on a FSJ board and one member said he had a similar sound but it
>eventually went away. I don't think I want to drive this when it's
>making this much noise. I have only had this Cherokee for about 3
>weeks, so I can't say whether it's done this before.
>
>Any thoughts or ideas here would help me out. I don't know any
>decent tranny shops around here (Chandler) so if anyone has a lead on
>a decent shop please pass the information along. I eventually wanted
>to put a dual friction centerforce in this beast, so maybe that time
>is now.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11571 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 8:58pm
Subject: Re: TR: Upper Terminator 8/12
I'll second a Predator trip. But can we wait a few weeks until it cools off
a little more?? (Smiling smugly)
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11572 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 9:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Chiva Falls
FLASH FLOODS are a ***** ain't they.....
Dave
>From: "Matthew Barker" <azjeepnut@t...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Chiva Falls
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:23:37 MST
>
>Well, I was planning on going but the San Pedro River decided it wanted my
>Jeep on Friday night, so looks like I'll be out of it for a while until I
>can get everything fixed and all the sand out. Thank God for full coverage
>insurance, huh? Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, yes I was crossing
>the river by way of a road, so nothing illegal there...
>
>Matt B.
>94 YJ
>http://azjeeps.web.com
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11573 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 5:54pm
Subject: Re: TR: Upper Terminator 8/12
Count me in! hehehe
Sharky
11574 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 10:10pm
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Brake Lines
I'd go for the stainless lines. The biggest advantage being the improved brake response, they don't swell like the rubber ones. This reminds me, I need to swap the one rubber line in the rear sometime.
Scott Kruize
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11575 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 9:53pm
Subject: Re: Need help on lockers
I have a 93 YJ and have Lock-Rites in both axles, the first went in the rear
and the front followed a couple of years later. Last September I took a trip
to Moab and had a great time, the Lock-Rites worked GREAT, they are
inexpensive, can be installed in your garage/carport and are readily
available. I highly recomend them for your first locker, especially if you
are on a budget. The Dana 35c locker was under $300 and installed in about 1
1/2 hours. Another benefit to Lock-Rites is they don't require any special
additives, I use 85-140 gear oil and have not had any problems or regrets.
These lockers gave me the traction neccesary to run Moab, Upper and Lower
Woodpecker, Upper and Lower Ajax, Upper and Lower Terminator, etc...,
admittedly a strap and hi-lift were needed on occasion but that was due to a
lack of clearance rather then traction, (I have 31x10.50 BFG's).
Hal Loy
Tucson Rough Riders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@e...
11576 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 10:41pm
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Brake Lines
I copied this info from a JPOR discussion about a year ago. The below comments are not mine but rather a collection of other's.
*******************
SS Brake lines - Pros
1. They don't swell like rubber lines, so they can potentially firm up your brake pedal.
2. If you're doing a lot of off-road driving, the stainless-steel braid may protect your lines from being punctured by rocks or whatever.
SS Brake lines - Concerns
1. When you install them, you must make SURE that they can't kink, twist, or stretch under any combination of wheel droop, bump, or (for the front wheels) steer.
2. The stainless-steel outer braid will cut through anything against which it rubs, so you have to make sure that the lines don't rub back and forth over anything important.
3. Stainless steel lines have been known to fail when dirt gets between the outer braid and the Teflon lining... As the braid moves back and forth, the dirt abrades the Teflon and can make it rupture. If you look at stainless-steel lines on motorcycles, you'll see that many of them are encased in plastic tubing, apparently in an effort to eliminate this problem. The tubing also helps considerably with the abrasion issue mentioned above.
*****************
Nearly all passenger cars are shipped with rubber brake lines, and they hardly ever fail.
*****************
"Stainless-steel" lines are made of Teflon tubing, not rubber. Teflon has a number of advantages over rubber; the chief ones are that it doesn't expand under pressure and it doesn't deteriorate with age. It also resists high temperatures and is chemically inert, so it's compatible with all brake fluids.
However, Teflon is pretty fragile, so it has to be protected from physical damage (chafing, flying rocks, etc.). Although some manufacturers armor their Teflon hoses with Kevlar, most protect the Teflon with an external sheath of braided stainless-steel wire... So that's why armored Teflon hose is usually called "stainless-steel hose".
******************
"We've run braided lines and had them fray, pinch, kink, and come apart before... a few times. For this reason we now offer only the safest DOT longer rubber brake lines for your lifted 4x4" .... RockyRoad Outfitters
******************
Regarding your original question about needing more length.... I have heard that YJ hoses are 3" longer and use the same fittings or you can lower the bracket quite easily.
Good Luck,
Larry
11577 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 11:12pm
Subject: 1988 XJ -- free to good home
Don't get too excited about this offer -- there is a catch (several of
them actually). It's kinda like the Paul Harvey radio show.......wait until
you hear the rest of the story before you make any offers.
This summer has been an almost complete balls up for me and my family.
We've driven over 10,000 miles, had our property destroyed, our money
stolen, been taken advantage of, and just generally had a sh*tty time (with
a couple of nice exceptions, but far too few).
Anyway, we've almost got our lives back together and are actually thinking
about rejoining the human race. I do however have a couple of things I need
to clean up before I can start my life again:
1. I need to return David O'Boyle's engine hoist. Dave, if you'll send me
your address AGAIN I'll bring it out to you this weekend. Beer and steak
are on me.
2. I need to get rid of this POS XJ that is sitting in my yard. The first
big catch in the deal is that I DO NOT HAVE A TITLE TO THE VEHICLE. This
truck was abandoned by it's previous owners when we kicked them out of our
house. It was being used as daily transportation and as a trail rig (a lot
of you will recognize it) until it threw a rod through the oil pan. Here is
a list of good/bad things about it:
4.0 engine with at least one rod thrown
working auto tranny
working transfer case
good front axle
bad rear axle - spider gears broken and welded into a spool
passenger front window broken out
body in good shape overall
4" ProComp lift kit
31" tires
15x8 black spoke rims
good interior with some wear - drivers seat ripped
power seats and windows
no keys - will have to disconnect the rear driveshaft and break the
steering lock to move it - or pull it straight onto a trailer
I could file for an abandoned title and part the thing out to recoup some of
our losses resulting from our failed attempt to help a family in need, but I
don't have the time or the room in the yard for that. At this point I just
want the POS out of my front yard.
If any of you want to go to the trouble of getting an abandoned title for it
and can bring a trailer to pick it up, you can have it. Otherwise, I'm just
going to drag it out to the side of the street and have the city of Phoenix
red-tag it and tow it away. I can't give it to any junk yards without
having a title for it, so it will end up in a city impound lot. At least it
will be out of my yard.
I have not spoken to this vehicles owners since they abandoned it (and their
dog) at our house on their departure almost a month ago. Considering the
circumstances surrounding our "parting of the ways" I do not expect to ever
hear from them again -- stealing my children's piggy banks kinda put a
damper on the relationship.
If you're interested, you can see a pic of the vehicle here:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=41056&a=271409&p=10861910
I'm sure some of you will recognize the vehicle and realize who the owners
are, and even though I now consider them to be the scum of the earth I would
appreciate it if no names were mentioned on the list.
Len
11578 From: dave oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 11:59pm
Subject: I here by claim first dibbs on the 88XJ
I call dibbs
Dave
11579 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 1:30am
Subject: Re: 1988 XJ -- free to good home
Hey Len,
If anything part the POS out, it looks like it does have some good features.
Buy your kid a new piggybank with interest. I had your problem once. I
ended up leaving the vehicle parked halfway through the abandoners garage
door at 3am...with a gas tank full of foam peanuts. Another option is
parked backwards in front of a fire hydrant or in an emergency zone at the
hospital, karma kicks the previous owner in the butt for that...
Have a better day
Nick
11580 From: Matt Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 5:55am
Subject: RE: Re: Chiva Falls
Oh, most definitely!!!
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
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From:
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Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:22 PM
To: azjeepnut@t...; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Chiva Falls
FLASH FLOODS are a ***** ain't they.....
Dave
>From: "Matthew Barker" <azjeepnut@t...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Chiva Falls
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:23:37 MST
>
>Well, I was planning on going but the San Pedro River decided it wanted my
>Jeep on Friday night, so looks like I'll be out of it for a while until I
>can get everything fixed and all the sand out. Thank God for full coverage
>insurance, huh? Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, yes I was crossing
>the river by way of a road, so nothing illegal there...
>
>Matt B.
>94 YJ
>http://azjeeps.web.com
>Range Riders 4 Wheelers
>Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
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11581 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 11:10pm
Subject: Jeepers loose life
11:05pm, I Just heard on 620 KTAR that a Las Vegas father and 3yr old son
were killed trying to strap a stranded motorist out of the sand at Lake
MEAD. Apperantly the tow strap broke sending the Jeep flying off a 30 foot
cliff into the water at full throttle... please take a moment of silence for
them..
Dave
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11582 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 8:46am
Subject: Re: Jeepers loose life
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2000/aug/14/510632342.html
Two die when Jeep plunges into lake
By Keith Paul
<keith@l...>
LAS VEGAS SUN
A man and a child were killed early this
morning after their Jeep plummeted down
a 40-foot embankment and submerged
upside down in Lake Mead.
Another child, a 4-year-old boy in the
Jeep, escaped serious injury when he was
thrown from the vehicle.
The driver of the Jeep was reportedly
trying to tow another car that was stuck in
a primitive camping area off Northshore
Road near mile marker 8 in the Lake
Mead National Recreation Area.
The Jeep crashed down the cliff and into
Lake Mead about 12:15 a.m., National
Park Service officials said.
The names of the man driving the Jeep
and the child who died were not released
this morning pending the notification of
their family. The child who survived the
accident was released to the care of the
mother, officials said.
The accident is still under investigation.
david oboyle wrote:
>
> 11:05pm, I Just heard on 620 KTAR that a Las Vegas father and 3yr old son
> were killed trying to strap a stranded motorist out of the sand at Lake
> MEAD. Apperantly the tow strap broke sending the Jeep flying off a 30 foot
> cliff into the water at full throttle... please take a moment of silence for
> them..
>
> Dave
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11583 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 8:46am
Subject: Re: 1988 XJ -- free to good home
Sorry to hear about the not so good times, I wondered why I have not
heard from you in awhile. Looks like the recovery will be short and
sweet, If you get a chance in the next couple of weeks could you
e-mail me you phone number ?
Sinan
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...> wrote:
> Don't get too excited about this offer -- there is a catch
(several of
> them actually). It's kinda like the Paul Harvey radio
show.......wait until
> you hear the rest of the story before you make any offers.
>
> This summer has been an almost complete balls up for me and my
family.
> We've driven over 10,000 miles, had our property destroyed, our
money
> stolen, been taken advantage of, and just generally had a sh*tty
time (with
> a couple of nice exceptions, but far too few).
>
> Anyway, we've almost got our lives back together and are actually
thinking
> about rejoining the human race. I do however have a couple of
things I need
> to clean up before I can start my life again:
>
> 1. I need to return David O'Boyle's engine hoist. Dave, if you'll
send me
> your address AGAIN I'll bring it out to you this weekend. Beer and
steak
> are on me.
>
> 2. I need to get rid of this POS XJ that is sitting in my yard.
The first
> big catch in the deal is that I DO NOT HAVE A TITLE TO THE VEHICLE.
This
> truck was abandoned by it's previous owners when we kicked them out
of our
> house. It was being used as daily transportation and as a trail
rig
(a lot
> of you will recognize it) until it threw a rod through the oil pan.
Here is
> a list of good/bad things about it:
>
> 4.0 engine with at least one rod thrown
> working auto tranny
> working transfer case
> good front axle
> bad rear axle - spider gears broken and welded into a spool
> passenger front window broken out
> body in good shape overall
> 4" ProComp lift kit
> 31" tires
> 15x8 black spoke rims
> good interior with some wear - drivers seat ripped
> power seats and windows
> no keys - will have to disconnect the rear driveshaft and break
the
> steering lock to move it - or pull it straight onto a trailer
>
> I could file for an abandoned title and part the thing out to
recoup
some of
> our losses resulting from our failed attempt to help a family in
need, but I
> don't have the time or the room in the yard for that. At this
point
I just
> want the POS out of my front yard.
>
> If any of you want to go to the trouble of getting an abandoned
title for it
> and can bring a trailer to pick it up, you can have it. Otherwise,
I'm just
> going to drag it out to the side of the street and have the city of
Phoenix
> red-tag it and tow it away. I can't give it to any junk yards
without
> having a title for it, so it will end up in a city impound lot. At
least it
> will be out of my yard.
>
> I have not spoken to this vehicles owners since they abandoned it
(and their
> dog) at our house on their departure almost a month ago.
Considering the
> circumstances surrounding our "parting of the ways" I do not expect
to ever
> hear from them again -- stealing my children's piggy banks kinda
put a
> damper on the relationship.
>
> If you're interested, you can see a pic of the vehicle here:
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=41056&a=271409&p=10861910
>
> I'm sure some of you will recognize the vehicle and realize who the
owners
> are, and even though I now consider them to be the scum of the
earth
I would
> appreciate it if no names were mentioned on the list.
>
>
> Len
11584 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 3:06am
Subject: Re: Chiva Falls
What's the trail rating of this run? I'd be interested in going, but I'm in
a stock rig until at least Christmas. Are there bypasses for any tough
parts?
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11585 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 10:22am
Subject: Re: Chiva Falls
I would rate it at 3-3.5. I have seen a stock 2000 TJ make it, without
any problems. Don't know of any bypasses, but you can always try a
different line. If you have driven on rocks before you should'nt have
a problem, I think this is a great learning trail !
Sinan
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...>
wrote:
> What's the trail rating of this run? I'd be interested in going,
but
I'm in
> a stock rig until at least Christmas. Are there bypasses for any
tough
> parts?
>
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11586 From: <grafik_lar@y...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 10:34am
Subject: Speaker boxes
I have two JBL 6X9 3 ways I want to put in my Jeep, I have had no
radio for about a year now, I was wandering if anybody knew of some
good Boxes that would fit without letting them get wet whe It rains,
or should I just make my own.
Larry George
87' Wrangler
11587 From: <thumpaz@a...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 7:01am
Subject: TR: Late Notice, Anaconda
Ok seriously serious trail run tomorrow night on Anacaonda. Meet at the
Table Mesa west side parking lot at about 6:30 PM or at the trailhead a
little later. Trail is being run by Dave Hickman in Big Iron, Mr Ed and a
couple others.
For more in depth info, contact Mr Ed @ mred@m... phone 602-589-8050
This run may be cancelled so call or contact Mr Ed to make sure it is AWN!
Glenn