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11338 From: Matt Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 0:45pm
Subject: RE: run? Chiva falls?
From what I've heard, this can be passed with an open diff vehicle. You'll
definitely want some extra ground clearance when you go out there, though.
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
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Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:37 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com; Bryan Loveless
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
As I recall...Chiva is a class 3+. I would suggest some lift and at least a
l/s rear. It might be too much for an open diff vehicle.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Loveless" <bryan.loveless@n...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
> Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
> differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
> about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
> remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
> Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
>
> -Bryan
> bryan.loveless@n...
>
>
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11339 From: Glen <gdavis@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 1:15pm
Subject: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
As anyone who was on teh FR42 run Saturday knows, it's time for
lockers. My TJ came with factory trac-loc. Should I just go for the
front (as Jon L. has suggested) or just suck it up. I also have a
disconnect issue and part of my "why am I in mid-air and not
climbing?" issue was because I couldn't get the other wheel down.
I'll fix the discons, but want to avoid what looks like 1500.00 in ft
and rr lockers. Fly-n-hi was talking about a front LockRite set for
like 300+ labor. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.........Glen
11340 From: <biglowt@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:23am
Subject: Problems with 32s and 3.07 gears
Anyone have any experience.... I know that this topic has been discussed
before.. I have the RE 2.5" Extreme lift. I was thinking of running 31s,
but now I am thinking about 32s and a body lift. Would my Jeep suffer much
in driveability or gas mileage with the 3.07s, the auto, and the 32s? Also,
anyone know if there are any things needed to be done with a 2" body lift
especially due to my automatic and air conditioning? Or would I be better
off with a 1" and 31s or 32s? I desperately need help. As I can get 32s for
free off my suburban. Thanks, Tom Lowther
11341 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:11pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
That price on the Lock Right seems really high by about $40 to $50. Check
with 4Wheeler's Supply. I could probably get you one for around $260. Not
sure what labor should run for the front install. $1500 for front and rear
installs including lockers?? Seems pretty high. Should be about $500 in
parts (if looking at Lock Rights front and rear) and then labor of about
$200 in the rear and maybe $300 in the front. About $1000 total.
Just my thoughts. Want us to do it??
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11342 From: DeVincentis, Jason <jason_devincentis@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:19pm
Subject: RE: run? Chiva falls?
Shouldn't be too hard even with open diffs...not much hill climbing or rock crawling on the trail...a few spots might be a little difficult, but clearance is the key here...
Jason
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@home.com]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:37 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com; Bryan Loveless
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
As I recall...Chiva is a class 3+. I would suggest some lift and at least a
l/s rear. It might be too much for an open diff vehicle.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Loveless"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
> Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
> differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
> about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
> remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
> Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
>
> -Bryan
> bryan.loveless@nau.edu
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>
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11343 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:29pm
Subject: Dana60 and 20 gallon tank.
I have the factory 20 gallon gas tank in my 85 CJ7 and Im swapping in a
Dana60 rear. I doesnt look like it will fit.....diff cover will hit the gas
tank.
Is there anybody out there with this combination or perhaps you know someone
who has the same setup?
Thanks,
Larry
11344 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:26pm
Subject: RE: Dana60 and 20 gallon tank.
Hi Larry,
I am doing the same thing. I too had a clearance problem. I had a
aftermarket 22 gal tank. I sectioned it to clear the diff.
I don't know how much that helps, but that's what I did.
Write if you have any questions.
Blake
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry [mailto:lmaggio@p...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 2:29 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Dana60 and 20 gallon tank.
I have the factory 20 gallon gas tank in my 85 CJ7 and Im swapping in a
Dana60 rear. I doesnt look like it will fit.....diff cover will hit the gas
tank.
Is there anybody out there with this combination or perhaps you know someone
who has the same setup?
Thanks,
Larry
11345 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:17pm
Subject: RE: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Glen,
There is a divided camp, even in this group, concerning the location of a
single locker.
Some folks state that you put it in the front because pulling the vehicle
over an obstacle is easier to do than pushing it. I won't argue that, but
in my opinion, that is only part of the story.
I say put your single locker in the rear because the bulk of the time you
need a locker is when you are going up hill, which results in a significant
weight transfer to the rear axle. Putting your locker in the axle that has
the most weight results in more umph! to the tires that can and will do the
work.
This weekend proved me right again: I was going up a steep rock section, and
you could see the weight was very much transferred to the rear axle. My
front lifted, but the Detroit in the rear kept right on pushing me up and
over. I have yet to find myself ever going up a steep hill and find that my
rear tires are lifting off the ground.
Would a locker in the front worked on this situation? Probably. Would it
have worked as well as the rear locker? No way.
When I got ready to lock my TJ, I sought out the old timers....and I don't
mean in years of age....I mean the old timers who had been doing wheelin'
for 20 or more years and that people in the valley new and respected. Not
one of them told me to lock up my front axle before I had locked the rear.
Of course, they were just sharing their opinion with me as I am with you.
I followed their advice and have not regretted it yet.
Just my thoughts......Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen [mailto:gdavis@i...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:16 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
As anyone who was on teh FR42 run Saturday knows, it's time for
lockers. My TJ came with factory trac-loc. Should I just go for the
front (as Jon L. has suggested) or just suck it up. I also have a
disconnect issue and part of my "why am I in mid-air and not
climbing?" issue was because I couldn't get the other wheel down.
I'll fix the discons, but want to avoid what looks like 1500.00 in ft
and rr lockers. Fly-n-hi was talking about a front LockRite set for
like 300+ labor. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.........Glen
11346 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:47pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Glen,
I think it would be a perfectly acceptable strategy to put a locker in
the front only and try it out that way for a while. You can always do
a rear locker at a later time - I don't think there is really any advantage
to locking up both axles at the same time other than one less trip to the
shop. A front locker will definitely make a big difference. And you
won't have any negative characteristics in the rear by staying with the
Trac-loc. I think you might be able to find a cheaper price on that
Lockright, though. And you I know there are people in the club who have
installed lockers and who might help you install yours yourself.
As for the articulation thing, do you have some problem with the disconnects
or did you just not disconnect them because someone (I don't know who) expressed
concern about your disconnecting the sway bar? (Ok, it was me. But I said that
from the standpoint that if I had a new TJ, I would not want to bend up the
fenders. And I wasn't sure that you wouldn't stuff your fenders given your
lift and tire size and how well TJ's articulate with the sway bar disconnected.
So I chose to err on the safe side.) One advantage of your experience, though,
is that you now know a little more about the limits of your Jeep with the sway
bar connected.
I still stand by my suggestion of taking your Jeep out some place where you
can disconnect the sway bars and twist up the suspension in a more controlled
manner than an FR42 run just to make sure you don't stuff your fenders. That
way you can have a spotter check to see if your tires will stuff the fenders
before they actually stuff the fenders. If they do then you need either more
lift or something to limit the up-travel like bumpstop extension brackets.
By the way, during one stretch of the trail, John in the shiny new red TJ
with 35" tires was behind me and I heard his tires rub his fender flares
on more than one occasion. Hopefully, it was just the flares and not the
sheet metal.
-Roger
Glen wrote:
>
> As anyone who was on teh FR42 run Saturday knows, it's time for
> lockers. My TJ came with factory trac-loc. Should I just go for the
> front (as Jon L. has suggested) or just suck it up. I also have a
> disconnect issue and part of my "why am I in mid-air and not
> climbing?" issue was because I couldn't get the other wheel down.
> I'll fix the discons, but want to avoid what looks like 1500.00 in ft
> and rr lockers. Fly-n-hi was talking about a front LockRite set for
> like 300+ labor. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.........Glen
11347 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:50pm
Subject: Re: run? Chiva falls?
I have seen a stock 2000 TJ do it. If you pick the right lines, and
keep all four on the ground(rock), then it can be done stock.
Any mods make it that much more enjoyable for the others. Also if
your onewith your vehicle and know it well, that will help alot.
Sinan
P.s. Saterday the 19Th is good for me, put no earlier that 8:30am
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "DougB" <azjeep@h...> wrote:
> As I recall...Chiva is a class 3+. I would suggest some lift and at
least a
> l/s rear. It might be too much for an open diff vehicle.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Loveless" <bryan.loveless@n...>
> To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:33 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
>
>
> > Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep?
Would open
> > differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee
and
I was
> > about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows.
I
> > remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be
appreciated.
> > Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
> >
> > -Bryan
> > bryan.loveless@n...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
11348 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:55pm
Subject: Have to Sell My TJ
Unfortunately one of my Jeeps has to go. Since I'm a family man the XJ
stays. Here are the details:
1998 Teal Blue Wrangler SE
-2.5l w/K&N Modified Tube
-22K Miles in Excellent Condition
-Factory Air Conditioning
-Sound Bar (Upgrade Sony Xplode 6.5")
-Standard Tran
-Axles: 30/35, Open, 4.10's
-2" Spacer Lift
-1" Body Lift
-33X12.5 Path Finders (New less than 1k) On 15X8 Chrome Steel Rims
-31x10.5 Spare (New)
-Complete Factory Soft Top (White)
-Extra Upper Doors (Black)
-Safari Top (Black)
-Bikini Top (Black)
-Rear Duster (Black)
-Modified windjammer (Black)
-Olympic Mountaineer Rack (New-mounts behind Front Seats)
-Tomken Gas Skid
-Tomken Steering/TieRod Skid
-Brush Guard
-Turbo City Rockit Bars
-Factory "Add a Trunk"
-Factory Oil Skid Modified to mount like SkidRows
-New ProComp Steering Stabilizer
It books out a $16800 w/o any of the extras so I am asking $18000. Anyone
who has wheeled with me knows it's a clean vehicle. If interested email me
rnhall@a...
I'll be back on the trail as soon as I get the XJ up to snuff....
Thanks
Rick
11349 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:04pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Glen,
Stu made good comments. But the adverse handling characteristics on
pavement may not fit the bill for you. Glen, you need to determine where
you want to go with your Jeep (both figuratively and literally). You also
need to consider finances. A front locker and rear LSD will be quite
capable. You still might not be able to do that trail that Stu referred
to. But if that is not a desire of yours, then this is a good option.
If you feel that a front locker/rear LSD combination is more capable
than a rear locker only, you'll have a more capability sooner going
this route if doing only one axle at a time.
If your ultimate goal is fully locked up, and you can afford to do both
axles at the same time, you'll definitely enjoy the dramatic increase in
capability so much that you'll soon forget how much it cost you. ;-)
Hope this helps.
-Roger
Stu Olson wrote:
>
> Glen,
>
> There is a divided camp, even in this group, concerning the location of a
> single locker.
>
> Some folks state that you put it in the front because pulling the vehicle
> over an obstacle is easier to do than pushing it. I won't argue that, but
> in my opinion, that is only part of the story.
>
> I say put your single locker in the rear because the bulk of the time you
> need a locker is when you are going up hill, which results in a significant
> weight transfer to the rear axle. Putting your locker in the axle that has
> the most weight results in more umph! to the tires that can and will do the
> work.
>
> This weekend proved me right again: I was going up a steep rock section, and
> you could see the weight was very much transferred to the rear axle. My
> front lifted, but the Detroit in the rear kept right on pushing me up and
> over. I have yet to find myself ever going up a steep hill and find that my
> rear tires are lifting off the ground.
>
> Would a locker in the front worked on this situation? Probably. Would it
> have worked as well as the rear locker? No way.
>
> When I got ready to lock my TJ, I sought out the old timers....and I don't
> mean in years of age....I mean the old timers who had been doing wheelin'
> for 20 or more years and that people in the valley new and respected. Not
> one of them told me to lock up my front axle before I had locked the rear.
> Of course, they were just sharing their opinion with me as I am with you.
>
> I followed their advice and have not regretted it yet.
>
> Just my thoughts......Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
11350 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 0:06pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 228
I drive a 2000 TJ with D35 rear / D30 front with 373's. Tires are BFG
35x12.5 MT's. My plan is to get 456's. Due to cost doing this in stages is
a must. I would like to install lockers as well. My question is, can I
install lockers now and install the 456's in a couple of months, or are the
lockers specific to the gear ratio?
Anyone have any experience with the Super 35 kit? Is this worth the money? Do
we really see a lot of broken Dana 35's once locked. Any help is appreciated
.
John
Red TJ
11351 From: Herring, Eric <herring@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:18pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 228
In most cases that will cost you almost twice as much. Unless you are using
the Lock-rite type locker you will need to disassemble everything to put
them in & depending on what gears you have now you may be looking at having
to change the carriers to put in the gears anyway. Yes a locked 35 will
break axles especially with bigger tires (finesse or upgrade).
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: JNB4PLS@a... [mailto:JNB4PLS@a...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:06 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Digest Number 228
I drive a 2000 TJ with D35 rear / D30 front with 373's. Tires are BFG
35x12.5 MT's. My plan is to get 456's. Due to cost doing this in stages is
a must. I would like to install lockers as well. My question is, can I
install lockers now and install the 456's in a couple of months, or are the
lockers specific to the gear ratio?
Anyone have any experience with the Super 35 kit? Is this worth the money?
Do
we really see a lot of broken Dana 35's once locked. Any help is
appreciated
.
John
Red TJ
11352 From: <snosurfr1@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 0:23pm
Subject: Re: selling the jeep
97 TJ sport. DARK BLUE... color unique to this year (so i'm told)
grey interior. A/C. tilt
Black soft top with matching tonneau cover, windjammer, and bikini.
Matching Husky floor liners.
tilt steering
5 spd
the fun stuff....Soundbar with after market speakers and add a trunk housing
a kenwood bass tube.
Sony detachable face stereo and 10 disc changer.
2.5" Rancho lift
NEW 33x12.5 BFG MT on centerline 15x10 HT-II rims. full size spare tire is
old All terrain on an American Racing black rim.
Custom rocker protection bars
Chrome Smittybilt double tube bumpers (two KC 100 watts in front)
Receiver in rear.
Customized Warrior Products roof rack with hi-lift and four Hella 500s. (each
corner of rack has a pull pin enabling it to come off.
Turbo City Rock-it tube with KN filter.
Tuffy metal security console
Xenon extended flares
warranty.... extended 6 year 60,000 mi MAXIMUM CARE... BEST YOU CAN GET
mileage... about 26000
price....$22,000
the blue book price is $20,000 without the extras
This jeep has been extremely well taken care of. Has been a great car. i have
all records. if interested... email me at snosurfr1@a...
ryan waddington
11353 From: Glen <gdavis@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:40pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Thanks everyone for the insight, but i am still pondering the
finances. I know J E E P....I get it. But what should locking
this thing up run me?
Stu, are your commetns still valid considering the LSD I have
(assuming it's wotrking propely) or did you miss that?
BTW, you guys are super. I posted a little question and received
like 7 email responses. Sorry, busy day at the ofc adn I didn't
respond to each, but I certainly DO appreciate it.
Glen
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Glen,
>
> Stu made good comments. But the adverse handling characteristics on
> pavement may not fit the bill for you. Glen, you need to determine
where
> you want to go with your Jeep (both figuratively and literally).
You also
> need to consider finances. A front locker and rear LSD will be
quite
> capable. You still might not be able to do that trail that Stu
referred
> to. But if that is not a desire of yours, then this is a good
option.
> If you feel that a front locker/rear LSD combination is more capable
> than a rear locker only, you'll have a more capability sooner going
> this route if doing only one axle at a time.
>
> If your ultimate goal is fully locked up, and you can afford to do
both
> axles at the same time, you'll definitely enjoy the dramatic
increase in
> capability so much that you'll soon forget how much it cost you. ;-
)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -Roger
>
> Stu Olson wrote:
> >
> > Glen,
> >
> > There is a divided camp, even in this group, concerning the
location of a
> > single locker.
> >
> > Some folks state that you put it in the front because pulling the
vehicle
> > over an obstacle is easier to do than pushing it. I won't argue
that, but
> > in my opinion, that is only part of the story.
> >
> > I say put your single locker in the rear because the bulk of the
time you
> > need a locker is when you are going up hill, which results in a
significant
> > weight transfer to the rear axle. Putting your locker in the
axle that has
> > the most weight results in more umph! to the tires that can and
will do the
> > work.
> >
> > This weekend proved me right again: I was going up a steep rock
section, and
> > you could see the weight was very much transferred to the rear
axle. My
> > front lifted, but the Detroit in the rear kept right on pushing
me up and
> > over. I have yet to find myself ever going up a steep hill and
find that my
> > rear tires are lifting off the ground.
> >
> > Would a locker in the front worked on this situation? Probably.
Would it
> > have worked as well as the rear locker? No way.
> >
> > When I got ready to lock my TJ, I sought out the old
timers....and I don't
> > mean in years of age....I mean the old timers who had been doing
wheelin'
> > for 20 or more years and that people in the valley new and
respected. Not
> > one of them told me to lock up my front axle before I had locked
the rear.
> > Of course, they were just sharing their opinion with me as I am
with you.
> >
> > I followed their advice and have not regretted it yet.
> >
> > Just my thoughts......Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson N7QJP
> > Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
11354 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:22pm
Subject: [TR] Globe area...
Anybody know of a decent 3+ trail in the Globe area? I have never been
there, but I have some friends in town from Kansas, and I want to show them
Arizona the best way... Saturday morning, 8 AM??
Let me know,
Chris
11355 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:41pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 228
John,
In response to your question about installing the lockers at one point and
then the gears later on.....if you are going to have a shop do this, you
will being paying labor two times for each axle. That is a significant
extra piece of change to cough up. I am not certain if you'll spend any
extra $$ on hardware.
I would recommend you wait a bit, save the money, and have all the work done
at once. You'll save somewhere between $400 ~$600 in labor, depending on
who does the work (average prices).
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: JNB4PLS@a... [mailto:JNB4PLS@a...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:06 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Digest Number 228
I drive a 2000 TJ with D35 rear / D30 front with 373's. Tires are BFG
35x12.5 MT's. My plan is to get 456's. Due to cost doing this in stages is
a must. I would like to install lockers as well. My question is, can I
install lockers now and install the 456's in a couple of months, or are the
lockers specific to the gear ratio?
Anyone have any experience with the Super 35 kit? Is this worth the money?
Do
we really see a lot of broken Dana 35's once locked. Any help is
appreciated
.
John
Red TJ
11356 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:51pm
Subject: RE: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Hi Glen,
No...I saw the LSD comment in your posting. I ran with a factory LSD in my
TJ for 11 months before I locked mine up. I am not trying to put down an
LSD or anyone that runs them.
But, I still stand by my previous response about locking the back axle.
Yep, that is my story and I am sticking to it! ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen [mailto:gdavis@i...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:40 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Thanks everyone for the insight, but i am still pondering the
finances. I know J E E P....I get it. But what should locking
this thing up run me?
Stu, are your commetns still valid considering the LSD I have
(assuming it's wotrking propely) or did you miss that?
BTW, you guys are super. I posted a little question and received
like 7 email responses. Sorry, busy day at the ofc adn I didn't
respond to each, but I certainly DO appreciate it.
Glen
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Glen,
>
> Stu made good comments. But the adverse handling characteristics on
> pavement may not fit the bill for you. Glen, you need to determine
where
> you want to go with your Jeep (both figuratively and literally).
You also
> need to consider finances. A front locker and rear LSD will be
quite
> capable. You still might not be able to do that trail that Stu
referred
> to. But if that is not a desire of yours, then this is a good
option.
> If you feel that a front locker/rear LSD combination is more capable
> than a rear locker only, you'll have a more capability sooner going
> this route if doing only one axle at a time.
>
> If your ultimate goal is fully locked up, and you can afford to do
both
> axles at the same time, you'll definitely enjoy the dramatic
increase in
> capability so much that you'll soon forget how much it cost you. ;-
)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -Roger
>
> Stu Olson wrote:
> >
> > Glen,
> >
> > There is a divided camp, even in this group, concerning the
location of a
> > single locker.
> >
> > Some folks state that you put it in the front because pulling the
vehicle
> > over an obstacle is easier to do than pushing it. I won't argue
that, but
> > in my opinion, that is only part of the story.
> >
> > I say put your single locker in the rear because the bulk of the
time you
> > need a locker is when you are going up hill, which results in a
significant
> > weight transfer to the rear axle. Putting your locker in the
axle that has
> > the most weight results in more umph! to the tires that can and
will do the
> > work.
> >
> > This weekend proved me right again: I was going up a steep rock
section, and
> > you could see the weight was very much transferred to the rear
axle. My
> > front lifted, but the Detroit in the rear kept right on pushing
me up and
> > over. I have yet to find myself ever going up a steep hill and
find that my
> > rear tires are lifting off the ground.
> >
> > Would a locker in the front worked on this situation? Probably.
Would it
> > have worked as well as the rear locker? No way.
> >
> > When I got ready to lock my TJ, I sought out the old
timers....and I don't
> > mean in years of age....I mean the old timers who had been doing
wheelin'
> > for 20 or more years and that people in the valley new and
respected. Not
> > one of them told me to lock up my front axle before I had locked
the rear.
> > Of course, they were just sharing their opinion with me as I am
with you.
> >
> > I followed their advice and have not regretted it yet.
> >
> > Just my thoughts......Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson N7QJP
> > Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
11357 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 5:00pm
Subject: kind of a Jeep story
Once upon a time there was a shepherd looking after his sheep on the edge of a deserted road. Suddenly a brand new Chrysler/Daimler Jeep Grand Cherokee screeches to a halt next to him.
The driver, a young man dressed in a Brioni suit, Cerrutti shoes, Ray-Ban glasses, and a YSL tie gets out and asks the shepherd: - If I guess how many sheep you have, will you give me one of them? The shepherd looks at the young man, then looks at the sheep grazing all around him and says, "All right".
The young man parks the car, connects his notebook and mobile phone, enters a NASA site, scans the ground using his GPS, opens a data base and 60 Excel tables filled with algorithms, then prints a 150-page report on his high-tech mini-printer. He then turns to the shepherd and says, "You have exactly 1586 sheep here".
The shepherd answers, "That's correct, you can have your sheep".
The young man takes one and puts it in the back of his brand new Chrysler/Daimler Jeep Grand Cherokee.
The shepherd looks at him and asks, "If I guess your profession, will you return my sheep to me?"
The young man answers, "Yes, why not".
The shepherd says, "You are an Arthur Andersen consultant!"
"How did you know?" asks the young man.
"Very simple", answers the shepherd. "First, you come here without being called. Second, you charge me a sheep to tell me something I already knew. Third, you do not understand anything about what I do, because you took my dog!"
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@mindspring.com
11358 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 5:17pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Do the front Lockrite yourself and save the $300 labor.
Glen wrote:
>
> As anyone who was on teh FR42 run Saturday knows, it's time for
> lockers. My TJ came with factory trac-loc. Should I just go for the
> front (as Jon L. has suggested) or just suck it up. I also have a
> disconnect issue and part of my "why am I in mid-air and not
> climbing?" issue was because I couldn't get the other wheel down.
> I'll fix the discons, but want to avoid what looks like 1500.00 in ft
> and rr lockers. Fly-n-hi was talking about a front LockRite set for
> like 300+ labor. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.........Glen
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11359 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 5:19pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Leon Rosser Jeep as the Dana 30 EZlocker for $200 plus shipping.
Jay Eller wrote:
>
> That price on the Lock Right seems really high by about $40 to $50. Check
> with 4Wheeler's Supply. I could probably get you one for around $260. Not
> sure what labor should run for the front install. $1500 for front and rear
> installs including lockers?? Seems pretty high. Should be about $500 in
> parts (if looking at Lock Rights front and rear) and then labor of about
> $200 in the rear and maybe $300 in the front. About $1000 total.
>
> Just my thoughts. Want us to do it??
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> President
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11360 From: Bob Nyberg <rcjd50@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 6:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
Stu
I worded that wrong. I actually meant organizations and not warm bodies. Sorry.
Bob
Stu Olson wrote:
>
> I clipped this quote out of the on-line Denver Post:
>
> "The BLM's position is that an expert must handle the extrication, and the
> BLM will monitor any attempt, Hoffman said."
>
> Mr. Hoffman is a BLM official at the local office. He did not specify the
> definition of an expert (no jokes please ;-). I do not know at what point
> the BLM changed their stance on this, but the statement was made on August
> 3. At that point, it is my understanding that they were NOT letting any
> volunteers help with the extraction. The BLM considered it too dangerous
> (and probably rightly so?). As I said before, I am sure there are liability
> issues that none of us are aware of, just like last week's thread about the
> DPS pulls you over for a trailer violation....you can't move it until the
> problem is fixed....because the officer would be liable if he let you move
> the trailer before fixing it.
>
> Bob, I am not sure I can buy into your comment about "the more people that
> help out, the less damage to the landscape". It is possible it might happen
> that way, or, it could be "the more people that are there, the more they
> muck the place up, etc." too.
>
> Either way, the vehicles are off the mountain, and thank God, no one was
> hurt. Let's all hope we never have to witness another situation like this
> one.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Bob Nyberg [mailto:r.nyberg@w...]
> >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 07:41
> >To: minihummer@w...
> >Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in
> >Colorodo
> >
> >
> >I agree with Linda. These guys made a major idiot move but the
> >more people that help
> >out, the less damage to the landscape ETC.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >LindaL wrote:
> >
> >> I read in the latest report that the Colorado Assoc of 4WD Clubs
> >has refused to
> >> get involved in the recovery. I think that was probably not the
> >best idea since
> >> keeping good repoire with the BLM and other land management
> >agencies means
> >> sometimes doing things that are not fun. If this had happened in
> >Arizona I
> >> suspect that there would be many volunteers to help get those
> >vehicles off the
> >> mountain side. Why do I think this? Because I think, that by
> >nature, we all try
> >> to help each other out -- including the idiots. Heck, we all run
> >into novice
> >> 4-wheelers that are in situations over their heads. This is
> >just a more extreme
> >> case. Why the Colorado Assoc would refuse to help out defies everything
> >> organized 4-wheeling is all about. I am embarassed!
> >>
> >> Just my opinion
> >> Linda
> >>
> >> Chris R. wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term
> >I have used
> >> > for many years:
> >> >
> >> > I vote for Door Knob
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> >> > My1stJeep@e...
> >> > '97 TJ
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------
> >> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not
> >ask remains a
> >> > fool forever."
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Darwin awards are for those “genius” people who manage to remove
> >> > themselves
> >> > > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
> >> > killing
> >> > > themselves. Although they didn’t kill themselves perhaps they will
> >> > refrain
> >> > > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
> >> > > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually
> >did happen so
> >> > it
> >> > > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
> >> > >
> >> > > However stupidity of this sort should be “awarded,” like the Darwin
> >> > award.
> >> > > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
> >> > people
> >> > > in OHV’s that made the news; removal from the gene pool
> >would not be a
> >> > > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
> >> > >
> >> > > - Bonehead drivers
> >> > > - Stupidly Stuck
> >> > > - Just Junk ‘em
> >> > >
> >> > > I’d rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
> >> > > anywhere in the name of the award though.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike Chatfield
> >> > > Programmer/Analyst
> >> > > mchat@h...
> >> > > alt: mike.chatfield@p...
> >> > >
> >> > > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
> >principalities,
> >> > > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this
> >world, against
> >> > > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
> >> > > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
> >> > > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> >> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck
> >in Colorodo
> >> > >
> >> > > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban
> >Legend? ha ha
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
> >> > > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
> >> > > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their
> >Jeep Wrangler
> >> > > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high
> >slope so steep
> >> > > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest
> >they lose
> >> > > their grip.
> >> > > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
> >> > > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
> >> > > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
> >> > > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Latest newspaper stories....
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
> >> > > >
> >> > > > and
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > _____
> >> > >
> >> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> >> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> >> > >
> >> > > _____
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > __________________________________________________ _____
> >> > Say Bye to Slow Internet!
> >> > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
11361 From: Dan Frazer <notaborg@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 6:17pm
Subject: RE: quarter elliptics
I've looked into a quarter elliptical setup for my jeep and maybe in the future I will do it. For now I'm concentrating on SOA, rear drop arms and a ladder bar. There is one company that manufactores a 1/4 setup for Samurai's www.spidertrax.com
Crazy.. I think most people use flat springs cut in half, all custom. I've seen them mounted in the center running parallel to the rear axle and in most cases they run with the frame.
Have fun,
-Frazer
84' CJ7 (currently building heim joint steering linkage)
-----Original Message-----
From: fourwhlcrzy@aol.com [mailto:fourwhlcrzy@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:21 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] quarter elliptics
anybody know about them? what kind of springs are used? are they pickup
springs cut in half or are they special made?
11362 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 6:35pm
Subject: Re: Dana60 and 20 gallon tank.
Sounds like you are not running SOA?
what lift do you have?
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:29 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Dana60 and 20 gallon tank.
I have the factory 20 gallon gas tank in my 85 CJ7 and Im swapping in a
Dana60 rear. I doesnt look like it will fit.....diff cover will hit the gas
tank.
Is there anybody out there with this combination or perhaps you know someone
who has the same setup?
Thanks,
Larry
11338 From: Matt Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 0:45pm
Subject: RE: run? Chiva falls?
From what I've heard, this can be passed with an open diff vehicle. You'll
definitely want some extra ground clearance when you go out there, though.
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
-----Original Message-----
From:
sentto-1011514-4112-965676855-azjeepnut=theriver.com@returns.onelist.com
[mailto:sentto-1011514-4112-965676855-azjeepnut=theriver.com@r...
list.com]On Behalf Of DougB
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:37 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com; Bryan Loveless
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
As I recall...Chiva is a class 3+. I would suggest some lift and at least a
l/s rear. It might be too much for an open diff vehicle.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Loveless" <bryan.loveless@n...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
> Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
> differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
> about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
> remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
> Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
>
> -Bryan
> bryan.loveless@n...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11339 From: Glen <gdavis@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 1:15pm
Subject: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
As anyone who was on teh FR42 run Saturday knows, it's time for
lockers. My TJ came with factory trac-loc. Should I just go for the
front (as Jon L. has suggested) or just suck it up. I also have a
disconnect issue and part of my "why am I in mid-air and not
climbing?" issue was because I couldn't get the other wheel down.
I'll fix the discons, but want to avoid what looks like 1500.00 in ft
and rr lockers. Fly-n-hi was talking about a front LockRite set for
like 300+ labor. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.........Glen
11340 From: <biglowt@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:23am
Subject: Problems with 32s and 3.07 gears
Anyone have any experience.... I know that this topic has been discussed
before.. I have the RE 2.5" Extreme lift. I was thinking of running 31s,
but now I am thinking about 32s and a body lift. Would my Jeep suffer much
in driveability or gas mileage with the 3.07s, the auto, and the 32s? Also,
anyone know if there are any things needed to be done with a 2" body lift
especially due to my automatic and air conditioning? Or would I be better
off with a 1" and 31s or 32s? I desperately need help. As I can get 32s for
free off my suburban. Thanks, Tom Lowther
11341 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:11pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
That price on the Lock Right seems really high by about $40 to $50. Check
with 4Wheeler's Supply. I could probably get you one for around $260. Not
sure what labor should run for the front install. $1500 for front and rear
installs including lockers?? Seems pretty high. Should be about $500 in
parts (if looking at Lock Rights front and rear) and then labor of about
$200 in the rear and maybe $300 in the front. About $1000 total.
Just my thoughts. Want us to do it??
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
11342 From: DeVincentis, Jason <jason_devincentis@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:19pm
Subject: RE: run? Chiva falls?
Shouldn't be too hard even with open diffs...not much hill climbing or rock crawling on the trail...a few spots might be a little difficult, but clearance is the key here...
Jason
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@home.com]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:37 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com; Bryan Loveless
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
As I recall...Chiva is a class 3+. I would suggest some lift and at least a
l/s rear. It might be too much for an open diff vehicle.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Loveless"
To:
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
> Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
> differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
> about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
> remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
> Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
>
> -Bryan
> bryan.loveless@nau.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11343 From: Larry <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:29pm
Subject: Dana60 and 20 gallon tank.
I have the factory 20 gallon gas tank in my 85 CJ7 and Im swapping in a
Dana60 rear. I doesnt look like it will fit.....diff cover will hit the gas
tank.
Is there anybody out there with this combination or perhaps you know someone
who has the same setup?
Thanks,
Larry
11344 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:26pm
Subject: RE: Dana60 and 20 gallon tank.
Hi Larry,
I am doing the same thing. I too had a clearance problem. I had a
aftermarket 22 gal tank. I sectioned it to clear the diff.
I don't know how much that helps, but that's what I did.
Write if you have any questions.
Blake
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry [mailto:lmaggio@p...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 2:29 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Dana60 and 20 gallon tank.
I have the factory 20 gallon gas tank in my 85 CJ7 and Im swapping in a
Dana60 rear. I doesnt look like it will fit.....diff cover will hit the gas
tank.
Is there anybody out there with this combination or perhaps you know someone
who has the same setup?
Thanks,
Larry
11345 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 2:17pm
Subject: RE: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Glen,
There is a divided camp, even in this group, concerning the location of a
single locker.
Some folks state that you put it in the front because pulling the vehicle
over an obstacle is easier to do than pushing it. I won't argue that, but
in my opinion, that is only part of the story.
I say put your single locker in the rear because the bulk of the time you
need a locker is when you are going up hill, which results in a significant
weight transfer to the rear axle. Putting your locker in the axle that has
the most weight results in more umph! to the tires that can and will do the
work.
This weekend proved me right again: I was going up a steep rock section, and
you could see the weight was very much transferred to the rear axle. My
front lifted, but the Detroit in the rear kept right on pushing me up and
over. I have yet to find myself ever going up a steep hill and find that my
rear tires are lifting off the ground.
Would a locker in the front worked on this situation? Probably. Would it
have worked as well as the rear locker? No way.
When I got ready to lock my TJ, I sought out the old timers....and I don't
mean in years of age....I mean the old timers who had been doing wheelin'
for 20 or more years and that people in the valley new and respected. Not
one of them told me to lock up my front axle before I had locked the rear.
Of course, they were just sharing their opinion with me as I am with you.
I followed their advice and have not regretted it yet.
Just my thoughts......Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen [mailto:gdavis@i...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:16 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
As anyone who was on teh FR42 run Saturday knows, it's time for
lockers. My TJ came with factory trac-loc. Should I just go for the
front (as Jon L. has suggested) or just suck it up. I also have a
disconnect issue and part of my "why am I in mid-air and not
climbing?" issue was because I couldn't get the other wheel down.
I'll fix the discons, but want to avoid what looks like 1500.00 in ft
and rr lockers. Fly-n-hi was talking about a front LockRite set for
like 300+ labor. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.........Glen
11346 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:47pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Glen,
I think it would be a perfectly acceptable strategy to put a locker in
the front only and try it out that way for a while. You can always do
a rear locker at a later time - I don't think there is really any advantage
to locking up both axles at the same time other than one less trip to the
shop. A front locker will definitely make a big difference. And you
won't have any negative characteristics in the rear by staying with the
Trac-loc. I think you might be able to find a cheaper price on that
Lockright, though. And you I know there are people in the club who have
installed lockers and who might help you install yours yourself.
As for the articulation thing, do you have some problem with the disconnects
or did you just not disconnect them because someone (I don't know who) expressed
concern about your disconnecting the sway bar? (Ok, it was me. But I said that
from the standpoint that if I had a new TJ, I would not want to bend up the
fenders. And I wasn't sure that you wouldn't stuff your fenders given your
lift and tire size and how well TJ's articulate with the sway bar disconnected.
So I chose to err on the safe side.) One advantage of your experience, though,
is that you now know a little more about the limits of your Jeep with the sway
bar connected.
I still stand by my suggestion of taking your Jeep out some place where you
can disconnect the sway bars and twist up the suspension in a more controlled
manner than an FR42 run just to make sure you don't stuff your fenders. That
way you can have a spotter check to see if your tires will stuff the fenders
before they actually stuff the fenders. If they do then you need either more
lift or something to limit the up-travel like bumpstop extension brackets.
By the way, during one stretch of the trail, John in the shiny new red TJ
with 35" tires was behind me and I heard his tires rub his fender flares
on more than one occasion. Hopefully, it was just the flares and not the
sheet metal.
-Roger
Glen wrote:
>
> As anyone who was on teh FR42 run Saturday knows, it's time for
> lockers. My TJ came with factory trac-loc. Should I just go for the
> front (as Jon L. has suggested) or just suck it up. I also have a
> disconnect issue and part of my "why am I in mid-air and not
> climbing?" issue was because I couldn't get the other wheel down.
> I'll fix the discons, but want to avoid what looks like 1500.00 in ft
> and rr lockers. Fly-n-hi was talking about a front LockRite set for
> like 300+ labor. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.........Glen
11347 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:50pm
Subject: Re: run? Chiva falls?
I have seen a stock 2000 TJ do it. If you pick the right lines, and
keep all four on the ground(rock), then it can be done stock.
Any mods make it that much more enjoyable for the others. Also if
your onewith your vehicle and know it well, that will help alot.
Sinan
P.s. Saterday the 19Th is good for me, put no earlier that 8:30am
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "DougB" <azjeep@h...> wrote:
> As I recall...Chiva is a class 3+. I would suggest some lift and at
least a
> l/s rear. It might be too much for an open diff vehicle.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Loveless" <bryan.loveless@n...>
> To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:33 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
>
>
> > Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep?
Would open
> > differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee
and
I was
> > about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows.
I
> > remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be
appreciated.
> > Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
> >
> > -Bryan
> > bryan.loveless@n...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
11348 From: Rick Hall <rnhall@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:55pm
Subject: Have to Sell My TJ
Unfortunately one of my Jeeps has to go. Since I'm a family man the XJ
stays. Here are the details:
1998 Teal Blue Wrangler SE
-2.5l w/K&N Modified Tube
-22K Miles in Excellent Condition
-Factory Air Conditioning
-Sound Bar (Upgrade Sony Xplode 6.5")
-Standard Tran
-Axles: 30/35, Open, 4.10's
-2" Spacer Lift
-1" Body Lift
-33X12.5 Path Finders (New less than 1k) On 15X8 Chrome Steel Rims
-31x10.5 Spare (New)
-Complete Factory Soft Top (White)
-Extra Upper Doors (Black)
-Safari Top (Black)
-Bikini Top (Black)
-Rear Duster (Black)
-Modified windjammer (Black)
-Olympic Mountaineer Rack (New-mounts behind Front Seats)
-Tomken Gas Skid
-Tomken Steering/TieRod Skid
-Brush Guard
-Turbo City Rockit Bars
-Factory "Add a Trunk"
-Factory Oil Skid Modified to mount like SkidRows
-New ProComp Steering Stabilizer
It books out a $16800 w/o any of the extras so I am asking $18000. Anyone
who has wheeled with me knows it's a clean vehicle. If interested email me
rnhall@a...
I'll be back on the trail as soon as I get the XJ up to snuff....
Thanks
Rick
11349 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:04pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Glen,
Stu made good comments. But the adverse handling characteristics on
pavement may not fit the bill for you. Glen, you need to determine where
you want to go with your Jeep (both figuratively and literally). You also
need to consider finances. A front locker and rear LSD will be quite
capable. You still might not be able to do that trail that Stu referred
to. But if that is not a desire of yours, then this is a good option.
If you feel that a front locker/rear LSD combination is more capable
than a rear locker only, you'll have a more capability sooner going
this route if doing only one axle at a time.
If your ultimate goal is fully locked up, and you can afford to do both
axles at the same time, you'll definitely enjoy the dramatic increase in
capability so much that you'll soon forget how much it cost you. ;-)
Hope this helps.
-Roger
Stu Olson wrote:
>
> Glen,
>
> There is a divided camp, even in this group, concerning the location of a
> single locker.
>
> Some folks state that you put it in the front because pulling the vehicle
> over an obstacle is easier to do than pushing it. I won't argue that, but
> in my opinion, that is only part of the story.
>
> I say put your single locker in the rear because the bulk of the time you
> need a locker is when you are going up hill, which results in a significant
> weight transfer to the rear axle. Putting your locker in the axle that has
> the most weight results in more umph! to the tires that can and will do the
> work.
>
> This weekend proved me right again: I was going up a steep rock section, and
> you could see the weight was very much transferred to the rear axle. My
> front lifted, but the Detroit in the rear kept right on pushing me up and
> over. I have yet to find myself ever going up a steep hill and find that my
> rear tires are lifting off the ground.
>
> Would a locker in the front worked on this situation? Probably. Would it
> have worked as well as the rear locker? No way.
>
> When I got ready to lock my TJ, I sought out the old timers....and I don't
> mean in years of age....I mean the old timers who had been doing wheelin'
> for 20 or more years and that people in the valley new and respected. Not
> one of them told me to lock up my front axle before I had locked the rear.
> Of course, they were just sharing their opinion with me as I am with you.
>
> I followed their advice and have not regretted it yet.
>
> Just my thoughts......Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
11350 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 0:06pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 228
I drive a 2000 TJ with D35 rear / D30 front with 373's. Tires are BFG
35x12.5 MT's. My plan is to get 456's. Due to cost doing this in stages is
a must. I would like to install lockers as well. My question is, can I
install lockers now and install the 456's in a couple of months, or are the
lockers specific to the gear ratio?
Anyone have any experience with the Super 35 kit? Is this worth the money? Do
we really see a lot of broken Dana 35's once locked. Any help is appreciated
.
John
Red TJ
11351 From: Herring, Eric <herring@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:18pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 228
In most cases that will cost you almost twice as much. Unless you are using
the Lock-rite type locker you will need to disassemble everything to put
them in & depending on what gears you have now you may be looking at having
to change the carriers to put in the gears anyway. Yes a locked 35 will
break axles especially with bigger tires (finesse or upgrade).
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: JNB4PLS@a... [mailto:JNB4PLS@a...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:06 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Digest Number 228
I drive a 2000 TJ with D35 rear / D30 front with 373's. Tires are BFG
35x12.5 MT's. My plan is to get 456's. Due to cost doing this in stages is
a must. I would like to install lockers as well. My question is, can I
install lockers now and install the 456's in a couple of months, or are the
lockers specific to the gear ratio?
Anyone have any experience with the Super 35 kit? Is this worth the money?
Do
we really see a lot of broken Dana 35's once locked. Any help is
appreciated
.
John
Red TJ
11352 From: <snosurfr1@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 0:23pm
Subject: Re: selling the jeep
97 TJ sport. DARK BLUE... color unique to this year (so i'm told)
grey interior. A/C. tilt
Black soft top with matching tonneau cover, windjammer, and bikini.
Matching Husky floor liners.
tilt steering
5 spd
the fun stuff....Soundbar with after market speakers and add a trunk housing
a kenwood bass tube.
Sony detachable face stereo and 10 disc changer.
2.5" Rancho lift
NEW 33x12.5 BFG MT on centerline 15x10 HT-II rims. full size spare tire is
old All terrain on an American Racing black rim.
Custom rocker protection bars
Chrome Smittybilt double tube bumpers (two KC 100 watts in front)
Receiver in rear.
Customized Warrior Products roof rack with hi-lift and four Hella 500s. (each
corner of rack has a pull pin enabling it to come off.
Turbo City Rock-it tube with KN filter.
Tuffy metal security console
Xenon extended flares
warranty.... extended 6 year 60,000 mi MAXIMUM CARE... BEST YOU CAN GET
mileage... about 26000
price....$22,000
the blue book price is $20,000 without the extras
This jeep has been extremely well taken care of. Has been a great car. i have
all records. if interested... email me at snosurfr1@a...
ryan waddington
11353 From: Glen <gdavis@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:40pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Thanks everyone for the insight, but i am still pondering the
finances. I know J E E P....I get it. But what should locking
this thing up run me?
Stu, are your commetns still valid considering the LSD I have
(assuming it's wotrking propely) or did you miss that?
BTW, you guys are super. I posted a little question and received
like 7 email responses. Sorry, busy day at the ofc adn I didn't
respond to each, but I certainly DO appreciate it.
Glen
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Glen,
>
> Stu made good comments. But the adverse handling characteristics on
> pavement may not fit the bill for you. Glen, you need to determine
where
> you want to go with your Jeep (both figuratively and literally).
You also
> need to consider finances. A front locker and rear LSD will be
quite
> capable. You still might not be able to do that trail that Stu
referred
> to. But if that is not a desire of yours, then this is a good
option.
> If you feel that a front locker/rear LSD combination is more capable
> than a rear locker only, you'll have a more capability sooner going
> this route if doing only one axle at a time.
>
> If your ultimate goal is fully locked up, and you can afford to do
both
> axles at the same time, you'll definitely enjoy the dramatic
increase in
> capability so much that you'll soon forget how much it cost you. ;-
)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -Roger
>
> Stu Olson wrote:
> >
> > Glen,
> >
> > There is a divided camp, even in this group, concerning the
location of a
> > single locker.
> >
> > Some folks state that you put it in the front because pulling the
vehicle
> > over an obstacle is easier to do than pushing it. I won't argue
that, but
> > in my opinion, that is only part of the story.
> >
> > I say put your single locker in the rear because the bulk of the
time you
> > need a locker is when you are going up hill, which results in a
significant
> > weight transfer to the rear axle. Putting your locker in the
axle that has
> > the most weight results in more umph! to the tires that can and
will do the
> > work.
> >
> > This weekend proved me right again: I was going up a steep rock
section, and
> > you could see the weight was very much transferred to the rear
axle. My
> > front lifted, but the Detroit in the rear kept right on pushing
me up and
> > over. I have yet to find myself ever going up a steep hill and
find that my
> > rear tires are lifting off the ground.
> >
> > Would a locker in the front worked on this situation? Probably.
Would it
> > have worked as well as the rear locker? No way.
> >
> > When I got ready to lock my TJ, I sought out the old
timers....and I don't
> > mean in years of age....I mean the old timers who had been doing
wheelin'
> > for 20 or more years and that people in the valley new and
respected. Not
> > one of them told me to lock up my front axle before I had locked
the rear.
> > Of course, they were just sharing their opinion with me as I am
with you.
> >
> > I followed their advice and have not regretted it yet.
> >
> > Just my thoughts......Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson N7QJP
> > Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
11354 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:22pm
Subject: [TR] Globe area...
Anybody know of a decent 3+ trail in the Globe area? I have never been
there, but I have some friends in town from Kansas, and I want to show them
Arizona the best way... Saturday morning, 8 AM??
Let me know,
Chris
11355 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:41pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 228
John,
In response to your question about installing the lockers at one point and
then the gears later on.....if you are going to have a shop do this, you
will being paying labor two times for each axle. That is a significant
extra piece of change to cough up. I am not certain if you'll spend any
extra $$ on hardware.
I would recommend you wait a bit, save the money, and have all the work done
at once. You'll save somewhere between $400 ~$600 in labor, depending on
who does the work (average prices).
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: JNB4PLS@a... [mailto:JNB4PLS@a...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:06 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Digest Number 228
I drive a 2000 TJ with D35 rear / D30 front with 373's. Tires are BFG
35x12.5 MT's. My plan is to get 456's. Due to cost doing this in stages is
a must. I would like to install lockers as well. My question is, can I
install lockers now and install the 456's in a couple of months, or are the
lockers specific to the gear ratio?
Anyone have any experience with the Super 35 kit? Is this worth the money?
Do
we really see a lot of broken Dana 35's once locked. Any help is
appreciated
.
John
Red TJ
11356 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:51pm
Subject: RE: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Hi Glen,
No...I saw the LSD comment in your posting. I ran with a factory LSD in my
TJ for 11 months before I locked mine up. I am not trying to put down an
LSD or anyone that runs them.
But, I still stand by my previous response about locking the back axle.
Yep, that is my story and I am sticking to it! ;-)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen [mailto:gdavis@i...]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:40 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Thanks everyone for the insight, but i am still pondering the
finances. I know J E E P....I get it. But what should locking
this thing up run me?
Stu, are your commetns still valid considering the LSD I have
(assuming it's wotrking propely) or did you miss that?
BTW, you guys are super. I posted a little question and received
like 7 email responses. Sorry, busy day at the ofc adn I didn't
respond to each, but I certainly DO appreciate it.
Glen
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Glen,
>
> Stu made good comments. But the adverse handling characteristics on
> pavement may not fit the bill for you. Glen, you need to determine
where
> you want to go with your Jeep (both figuratively and literally).
You also
> need to consider finances. A front locker and rear LSD will be
quite
> capable. You still might not be able to do that trail that Stu
referred
> to. But if that is not a desire of yours, then this is a good
option.
> If you feel that a front locker/rear LSD combination is more capable
> than a rear locker only, you'll have a more capability sooner going
> this route if doing only one axle at a time.
>
> If your ultimate goal is fully locked up, and you can afford to do
both
> axles at the same time, you'll definitely enjoy the dramatic
increase in
> capability so much that you'll soon forget how much it cost you. ;-
)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -Roger
>
> Stu Olson wrote:
> >
> > Glen,
> >
> > There is a divided camp, even in this group, concerning the
location of a
> > single locker.
> >
> > Some folks state that you put it in the front because pulling the
vehicle
> > over an obstacle is easier to do than pushing it. I won't argue
that, but
> > in my opinion, that is only part of the story.
> >
> > I say put your single locker in the rear because the bulk of the
time you
> > need a locker is when you are going up hill, which results in a
significant
> > weight transfer to the rear axle. Putting your locker in the
axle that has
> > the most weight results in more umph! to the tires that can and
will do the
> > work.
> >
> > This weekend proved me right again: I was going up a steep rock
section, and
> > you could see the weight was very much transferred to the rear
axle. My
> > front lifted, but the Detroit in the rear kept right on pushing
me up and
> > over. I have yet to find myself ever going up a steep hill and
find that my
> > rear tires are lifting off the ground.
> >
> > Would a locker in the front worked on this situation? Probably.
Would it
> > have worked as well as the rear locker? No way.
> >
> > When I got ready to lock my TJ, I sought out the old
timers....and I don't
> > mean in years of age....I mean the old timers who had been doing
wheelin'
> > for 20 or more years and that people in the valley new and
respected. Not
> > one of them told me to lock up my front axle before I had locked
the rear.
> > Of course, they were just sharing their opinion with me as I am
with you.
> >
> > I followed their advice and have not regretted it yet.
> >
> > Just my thoughts......Stu
> >
> > Stu Olson N7QJP
> > Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
11357 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 5:00pm
Subject: kind of a Jeep story
Once upon a time there was a shepherd looking after his sheep on the edge of a deserted road. Suddenly a brand new Chrysler/Daimler Jeep Grand Cherokee screeches to a halt next to him.
The driver, a young man dressed in a Brioni suit, Cerrutti shoes, Ray-Ban glasses, and a YSL tie gets out and asks the shepherd: - If I guess how many sheep you have, will you give me one of them? The shepherd looks at the young man, then looks at the sheep grazing all around him and says, "All right".
The young man parks the car, connects his notebook and mobile phone, enters a NASA site, scans the ground using his GPS, opens a data base and 60 Excel tables filled with algorithms, then prints a 150-page report on his high-tech mini-printer. He then turns to the shepherd and says, "You have exactly 1586 sheep here".
The shepherd answers, "That's correct, you can have your sheep".
The young man takes one and puts it in the back of his brand new Chrysler/Daimler Jeep Grand Cherokee.
The shepherd looks at him and asks, "If I guess your profession, will you return my sheep to me?"
The young man answers, "Yes, why not".
The shepherd says, "You are an Arthur Andersen consultant!"
"How did you know?" asks the young man.
"Very simple", answers the shepherd. "First, you come here without being called. Second, you charge me a sheep to tell me something I already knew. Third, you do not understand anything about what I do, because you took my dog!"
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(602)432-7860 cell
(480)816-6240 home
jonloveless@mindspring.com
11358 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 5:17pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Do the front Lockrite yourself and save the $300 labor.
Glen wrote:
>
> As anyone who was on teh FR42 run Saturday knows, it's time for
> lockers. My TJ came with factory trac-loc. Should I just go for the
> front (as Jon L. has suggested) or just suck it up. I also have a
> disconnect issue and part of my "why am I in mid-air and not
> climbing?" issue was because I couldn't get the other wheel down.
> I'll fix the discons, but want to avoid what looks like 1500.00 in ft
> and rr lockers. Fly-n-hi was talking about a front LockRite set for
> like 300+ labor. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.........Glen
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11359 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 5:19pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions - 99TJ upgrades
Leon Rosser Jeep as the Dana 30 EZlocker for $200 plus shipping.
Jay Eller wrote:
>
> That price on the Lock Right seems really high by about $40 to $50. Check
> with 4Wheeler's Supply. I could probably get you one for around $260. Not
> sure what labor should run for the front install. $1500 for front and rear
> installs including lockers?? Seems pretty high. Should be about $500 in
> parts (if looking at Lock Rights front and rear) and then labor of about
> $200 in the rear and maybe $300 in the front. About $1000 total.
>
> Just my thoughts. Want us to do it??
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> President
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11360 From: Bob Nyberg <rcjd50@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 6:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
Stu
I worded that wrong. I actually meant organizations and not warm bodies. Sorry.
Bob
Stu Olson wrote:
>
> I clipped this quote out of the on-line Denver Post:
>
> "The BLM's position is that an expert must handle the extrication, and the
> BLM will monitor any attempt, Hoffman said."
>
> Mr. Hoffman is a BLM official at the local office. He did not specify the
> definition of an expert (no jokes please ;-). I do not know at what point
> the BLM changed their stance on this, but the statement was made on August
> 3. At that point, it is my understanding that they were NOT letting any
> volunteers help with the extraction. The BLM considered it too dangerous
> (and probably rightly so?). As I said before, I am sure there are liability
> issues that none of us are aware of, just like last week's thread about the
> DPS pulls you over for a trailer violation....you can't move it until the
> problem is fixed....because the officer would be liable if he let you move
> the trailer before fixing it.
>
> Bob, I am not sure I can buy into your comment about "the more people that
> help out, the less damage to the landscape". It is possible it might happen
> that way, or, it could be "the more people that are there, the more they
> muck the place up, etc." too.
>
> Either way, the vehicles are off the mountain, and thank God, no one was
> hurt. Let's all hope we never have to witness another situation like this
> one.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Bob Nyberg [mailto:r.nyberg@w...]
> >Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 07:41
> >To: minihummer@w...
> >Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in
> >Colorodo
> >
> >
> >I agree with Linda. These guys made a major idiot move but the
> >more people that help
> >out, the less damage to the landscape ETC.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >LindaL wrote:
> >
> >> I read in the latest report that the Colorado Assoc of 4WD Clubs
> >has refused to
> >> get involved in the recovery. I think that was probably not the
> >best idea since
> >> keeping good repoire with the BLM and other land management
> >agencies means
> >> sometimes doing things that are not fun. If this had happened in
> >Arizona I
> >> suspect that there would be many volunteers to help get those
> >vehicles off the
> >> mountain side. Why do I think this? Because I think, that by
> >nature, we all try
> >> to help each other out -- including the idiots. Heck, we all run
> >into novice
> >> 4-wheelers that are in situations over their heads. This is
> >just a more extreme
> >> case. Why the Colorado Assoc would refuse to help out defies everything
> >> organized 4-wheeling is all about. I am embarassed!
> >>
> >> Just my opinion
> >> Linda
> >>
> >> Chris R. wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term
> >I have used
> >> > for many years:
> >> >
> >> > I vote for Door Knob
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> >> > My1stJeep@e...
> >> > '97 TJ
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------
> >> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not
> >ask remains a
> >> > fool forever."
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Darwin awards are for those “genius” people who manage to remove
> >> > themselves
> >> > > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
> >> > killing
> >> > > themselves. Although they didn’t kill themselves perhaps they will
> >> > refrain
> >> > > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
> >> > > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually
> >did happen so
> >> > it
> >> > > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
> >> > >
> >> > > However stupidity of this sort should be “awarded,” like the Darwin
> >> > award.
> >> > > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
> >> > people
> >> > > in OHV’s that made the news; removal from the gene pool
> >would not be a
> >> > > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
> >> > >
> >> > > - Bonehead drivers
> >> > > - Stupidly Stuck
> >> > > - Just Junk ‘em
> >> > >
> >> > > I’d rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
> >> > > anywhere in the name of the award though.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike Chatfield
> >> > > Programmer/Analyst
> >> > > mchat@h...
> >> > > alt: mike.chatfield@p...
> >> > >
> >> > > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
> >principalities,
> >> > > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this
> >world, against
> >> > > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
> >> > > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
> >> > > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> >> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck
> >in Colorodo
> >> > >
> >> > > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban
> >Legend? ha ha
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
> >> > > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
> >> > > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their
> >Jeep Wrangler
> >> > > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high
> >slope so steep
> >> > > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest
> >they lose
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> >> > > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
> >> > > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
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> >> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
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11361 From: Dan Frazer <notaborg@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 6:17pm
Subject: RE: quarter elliptics
I've looked into a quarter elliptical setup for my jeep and maybe in the future I will do it. For now I'm concentrating on SOA, rear drop arms and a ladder bar. There is one company that manufactores a 1/4 setup for Samurai's www.spidertrax.com
Crazy.. I think most people use flat springs cut in half, all custom. I've seen them mounted in the center running parallel to the rear axle and in most cases they run with the frame.
Have fun,
-Frazer
84' CJ7 (currently building heim joint steering linkage)
-----Original Message-----
From: fourwhlcrzy@aol.com [mailto:fourwhlcrzy@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:21 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] quarter elliptics
anybody know about them? what kind of springs are used? are they pickup
springs cut in half or are they special made?
11362 From: Jchio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 6:35pm
Subject: Re: Dana60 and 20 gallon tank.
Sounds like you are not running SOA?
what lift do you have?
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 4:29 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Dana60 and 20 gallon tank.
I have the factory 20 gallon gas tank in my 85 CJ7 and Im swapping in a
Dana60 rear. I doesnt look like it will fit.....diff cover will hit the gas
tank.
Is there anybody out there with this combination or perhaps you know someone
who has the same setup?
Thanks,
Larry