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11313 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 5:00pm
Subject: Texas Silverton pictures
Here is a link to a message I just posted.
http://jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001423.html
My buddy, Joe Ruby, from Phx took the pictures and sent them to me. He is
in the Silverton area doing some Jeepin'!
Though you all might enjoy some better quality photos.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
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11314 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 5:07pm
Subject: RE: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
I am certain there is a liability issue involved here. I spoke with my
friend, Joe Ruby, who hiked up to the spot and took some photos. He said he
was nearly blown off the mountain side on account of the 50 MPH winds. I
personally think they have their reasons for doing so. There is a great
chance for doing serious damage to equipment and worse yet, people! In
situations like this, trained professionals might be the correct
solution....not 4x4 happy volunteers.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: LindaL [mailto:minihummer@w...]
>Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 16:18
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in
>Colorodo
>
>
>I read in the latest report that the Colorado Assoc of 4WD Clubs
>has refused to
>get involved in the recovery. I think that was probably not the
>best idea since
>keeping good repoire with the BLM and other land management agencies means
>sometimes doing things that are not fun. If this had happened in Arizona I
>suspect that there would be many volunteers to help get those
>vehicles off the
>mountain side. Why do I think this? Because I think, that by
>nature, we all try
>to help each other out -- including the idiots. Heck, we all run
>into novice
>4-wheelers that are in situations over their heads. This is just
>a more extreme
>case. Why the Colorado Assoc would refuse to help out defies everything
>organized 4-wheeling is all about. I am embarassed!
>
>Just my opinion
>Linda
>
>Chris R. wrote:
>
>> I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term I have used
>> for many years:
>>
>> I vote for Door Knob
>>
>> Chris
>> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
>> My1stJeep@e...
>> '97 TJ
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
>remains a
>> fool forever."
>>
>> On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
>>
>> > Darwin awards are for those “genius” people who manage to remove
>> themselves
>> > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
>> killing
>> > themselves. Although they didn’t kill themselves perhaps they will
>> refrain
>> > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
>> > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually did
>happen so
>> it
>> > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
>> >
>> > However stupidity of this sort should be “awarded,” like the Darwin
>> award.
>> > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
>> people
>> > in OHV’s that made the news; removal from the gene pool would not be a
>> > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
>> >
>> > - Bonehead drivers
>> > - Stupidly Stuck
>> > - Just Junk ‘em
>> >
>> > I’d rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
>> > anywhere in the name of the award though.
>> >
>> > Mike Chatfield
>> > Programmer/Analyst
>> > mchat@h...
>> > alt: mike.chatfield@p...
>> >
>> > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
>principalities,
>> > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this
>world, against
>> > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
>> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
>> >
>> > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban Legend? ha ha
>> >
>> > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
>> > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
>> > >
>> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
>> > >
>> > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
>> > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their Jeep Wrangler
>> > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high slope so steep
>> > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest they lose
>> > their grip.
>> > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
>> > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
>> > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
>> > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Latest newspaper stories....
>> > >
>> > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
>> > >
>> > > and
>> > >
>> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _____
>> >
>> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
>> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
>> >
>> > _____
>> >
>>
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11315 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 7:13pm
Subject: Re: Texas Silverton pictures
Boy oh boy - that winch point/anchor looks a little light weight.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Texas Silverton pictures
> Here is a link to a message I just posted.
>
> http://jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001423.html
>
> My buddy, Joe Ruby, from Phx took the pictures and sent them to me. He is
> in the Silverton area doing some Jeepin'!
>
> Though you all might enjoy some better quality photos.
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>
>
>
>
>
>
11316 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 10:13pm
Subject: RE: AzVJC T-Shirts
I agree, Just stick a small "open access for all" on the front below the
Vjc Logo... and Keep the Large on on the back..
Just my pennies worth..
Dave
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
>To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc]AzVJC T-Shirts
>Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:46:22 -0700
>
>This is just my opinion, and we all know we all have them!
>
>Simple is fine.....nothing wrong with that. However, I always take the
>opportunity to wear my off-road shirts to land use meetings as well as on
>the trail with my friends.
>
>In all honesty, the "its a Jeep thing..." saying is cute among fellow
>Jeepers, and probably even among off-roaders (cuz you get to explain to a
>Chevy owner that his s-10 is NOT an off-road vehicle). <G>
>
>However, in front of a tree hugging greenie or land use management
>personnel, I would rather put across a more serious message. Someone
>mentioned the "open access for all" slogan which is an outstanding one, and
>is already used by many OHV groups in one form or another. It sends not
>only a strong message, but a very serious one too.
>
>Having the club graphic on the other side is a good idea. It is us, pure
>and simple!
>
>Stu
>
>Stu Olson N7QJP
>Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: i999scoot@a... [mailto:i999scoot@a...]
> >Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 14:08
> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc]AzVJC T-Shirts
> >
> >
> >I say we just keep the shirts simple. On the front we could have a small
> >writing in the top corner that says "It's A Jeep Thing,
> > You Wouldn't Understand" or
> >something like
> >that. Then on the back we can have our logo with the url under
> >it? What
> >does everyone think?
> >
> >Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11317 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 10:17pm
Subject: Re: Texas Silverton pictures
Looking at those pictures it seems that a Hi Jack could get those things
moving off the mountain pretty quick. :-(
DougB wrote:
>
> Boy oh boy - that winch point/anchor looks a little light weight.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
> To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:00 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Texas Silverton pictures
>
> > Here is a link to a message I just posted.
> >
> > http://jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001423.html
> >
> > My buddy, Joe Ruby, from Phx took the pictures and sent them to me. He is
> > in the Silverton area doing some Jeepin'!
> >
> > Though you all might enjoy some better quality photos.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson N7QJP
> > Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
> > http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> > http://home.off-road.com/~stu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11318 From: <DesertRogue@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 8:49pm
Subject: 1969 kaiser jeepster commando
any one interested in rebuilding/restoring a 1969 kaiser jeepster commando in
N.Phoenix area contact desertrogue@a...
11319 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 1:12am
Subject: Those Texans...
I am pretty sure that everyone in this club has pulled a stupid human trick
on the trail, maybe not to the extent of national news coverage, but
driving how and where we do usually incurs some mistakes. Everyone is
quick to point out the lack of good judgement these fellows used, how
ignorant they are, etc. We can bet the farm these guys learned a lesson,
better yet had a crash course in land use issues, BLM policy, and vehicle
recovery. None of this would have happened had an experienced 4-wheeler
with them. Hopefully the word is out on driving up really big and steep
mountains off the trail at night.
Off my soapbox,
Chris
11320 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 9:48pm
Subject: Re: Texas Silverton pictures
I think a slight breeze would do it.... :)
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11321 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 7:40am
Subject: SOA Complete
Wanted to let the list know that we completed our first SOA on a CJ7 as
Toybox Off-Road. We've done a few in the past for friends, but none as
Toybox Off-Road. Things came out really well and hopefully we will have a
writeup soon on the work that was done. Took a day and the ride is better
than before. A few tweaks still to make, but overall a grand success.
If anyone is interested in what we did and can't wait for the writeup, just
shoot me a message. Always willing to help out how ever I can.
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
11322 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 7:34am
Subject: Re: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
Two expressions that would fit IMHO are "DIPSTICK or MORON of the year"
Bob
"Chris R." wrote:
> I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term I have used
> for many years:
>
> I vote for Door Knob
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@e...
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> fool forever."
>
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
>
> > Darwin awards are for those “genius” people who manage to remove
> themselves
> > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
> killing
> > themselves. Although they didn’t kill themselves perhaps they will
> refrain
> > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
> > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually did happen so
> it
> > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
> >
> > However stupidity of this sort should be “awarded,” like the Darwin
> award.
> > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
> people
> > in OHV’s that made the news; removal from the gene pool would not be a
> > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
> >
> > - Bonehead drivers
> > - Stupidly Stuck
> > - Just Junk ‘em
> >
> > I’d rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
> > anywhere in the name of the award though.
> >
> > Mike Chatfield
> > Programmer/Analyst
> > mchat@h...
> > alt: mike.chatfield@p...
> >
> > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
> > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
> > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
> >
> > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban Legend? ha ha
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
> > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
> > >
> > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
> > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their Jeep Wrangler
> > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high slope so steep
> > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest they lose
> > their grip.
> > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
> > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
> > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
> > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Latest newspaper stories....
> > >
> > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> >
> > _____
> >
>
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11323 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 7:40am
Subject: Re: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
I agree with Linda. These guys made a major idiot move but the more people that help
out, the less damage to the landscape ETC.
Bob
LindaL wrote:
> I read in the latest report that the Colorado Assoc of 4WD Clubs has refused to
> get involved in the recovery. I think that was probably not the best idea since
> keeping good repoire with the BLM and other land management agencies means
> sometimes doing things that are not fun. If this had happened in Arizona I
> suspect that there would be many volunteers to help get those vehicles off the
> mountain side. Why do I think this? Because I think, that by nature, we all try
> to help each other out -- including the idiots. Heck, we all run into novice
> 4-wheelers that are in situations over their heads. This is just a more extreme
> case. Why the Colorado Assoc would refuse to help out defies everything
> organized 4-wheeling is all about. I am embarassed!
>
> Just my opinion
> Linda
>
> Chris R. wrote:
>
> > I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term I have used
> > for many years:
> >
> > I vote for Door Knob
> >
> > Chris
> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > My1stJeep@e...
> > '97 TJ
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> > fool forever."
> >
> > On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
> >
> > > Darwin awards are for those “genius” people who manage to remove
> > themselves
> > > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
> > killing
> > > themselves. Although they didn’t kill themselves perhaps they will
> > refrain
> > > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
> > > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually did happen so
> > it
> > > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
> > >
> > > However stupidity of this sort should be “awarded,” like the Darwin
> > award.
> > > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
> > people
> > > in OHV’s that made the news; removal from the gene pool would not be a
> > > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
> > >
> > > - Bonehead drivers
> > > - Stupidly Stuck
> > > - Just Junk ‘em
> > >
> > > I’d rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
> > > anywhere in the name of the award though.
> > >
> > > Mike Chatfield
> > > Programmer/Analyst
> > > mchat@h...
> > > alt: mike.chatfield@p...
> > >
> > > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
> > > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
> > > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
> > >
> > > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban Legend? ha ha
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
> > > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
> > > >
> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
> > > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their Jeep Wrangler
> > > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high slope so steep
> > > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest they lose
> > > their grip.
> > > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
> > > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
> > > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
> > > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Latest newspaper stories....
> > > >
> > > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _____
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11324 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 8:22am
Subject: Goodyear M/T's for sale
We've got 5 Goodyear M/T's for sale at $100 each with road hazard paper work
from Discount Tire. They are 35X12.50X15's with at least 90% tread left on
them. Anyone interested???
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
President
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
11325 From: Dion Bozman <amstaff@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:03am
Subject: ZJ and T-shirts
Hi all: Thanks a lot to the folks who took their own time to clean up
someone else's mess on Lower Terminator. Great job.
Put me down for two T-shirts when they're done. Also, whoever is handling
the design, I'm pretty handy with Photoshop and make some T-shirt templates
already. If you want, I can mock up a couple different designs on different
colored shirts and then maybe post them on Photopoint for everyone to see.
We could have a vote as to which design the majority likes the best, then
produce that shirt.
Just a thought. It would be pretty simple for me to do this.
Dion
11326 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 8:40am
Subject: RE: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
I clipped this quote out of the on-line Denver Post:
"The BLM's position is that an expert must handle the extrication, and the
BLM will monitor any attempt, Hoffman said."
Mr. Hoffman is a BLM official at the local office. He did not specify the
definition of an expert (no jokes please ;-). I do not know at what point
the BLM changed their stance on this, but the statement was made on August
3. At that point, it is my understanding that they were NOT letting any
volunteers help with the extraction. The BLM considered it too dangerous
(and probably rightly so?). As I said before, I am sure there are liability
issues that none of us are aware of, just like last week's thread about the
DPS pulls you over for a trailer violation....you can't move it until the
problem is fixed....because the officer would be liable if he let you move
the trailer before fixing it.
Bob, I am not sure I can buy into your comment about "the more people that
help out, the less damage to the landscape". It is possible it might happen
that way, or, it could be "the more people that are there, the more they
muck the place up, etc." too.
Either way, the vehicles are off the mountain, and thank God, no one was
hurt. Let's all hope we never have to witness another situation like this
one.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Nyberg [mailto:r.nyberg@w...]
>Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 07:41
>To: minihummer@w...
>Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in
>Colorodo
>
>
>I agree with Linda. These guys made a major idiot move but the
>more people that help
>out, the less damage to the landscape ETC.
>
>Bob
>
>LindaL wrote:
>
>> I read in the latest report that the Colorado Assoc of 4WD Clubs
>has refused to
>> get involved in the recovery. I think that was probably not the
>best idea since
>> keeping good repoire with the BLM and other land management
>agencies means
>> sometimes doing things that are not fun. If this had happened in
>Arizona I
>> suspect that there would be many volunteers to help get those
>vehicles off the
>> mountain side. Why do I think this? Because I think, that by
>nature, we all try
>> to help each other out -- including the idiots. Heck, we all run
>into novice
>> 4-wheelers that are in situations over their heads. This is
>just a more extreme
>> case. Why the Colorado Assoc would refuse to help out defies everything
>> organized 4-wheeling is all about. I am embarassed!
>>
>> Just my opinion
>> Linda
>>
>> Chris R. wrote:
>>
>> > I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term
>I have used
>> > for many years:
>> >
>> > I vote for Door Knob
>> >
>> > Chris
>> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
>> > My1stJeep@e...
>> > '97 TJ
>> > ----------------------------------------------------
>> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not
>ask remains a
>> > fool forever."
>> >
>> > On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
>> >
>> > > Darwin awards are for those “genius” people who manage to remove
>> > themselves
>> > > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
>> > killing
>> > > themselves. Although they didn’t kill themselves perhaps they will
>> > refrain
>> > > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
>> > > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually
>did happen so
>> > it
>> > > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
>> > >
>> > > However stupidity of this sort should be “awarded,” like the Darwin
>> > award.
>> > > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
>> > people
>> > > in OHV’s that made the news; removal from the gene pool
>would not be a
>> > > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
>> > >
>> > > - Bonehead drivers
>> > > - Stupidly Stuck
>> > > - Just Junk ‘em
>> > >
>> > > I’d rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
>> > > anywhere in the name of the award though.
>> > >
>> > > Mike Chatfield
>> > > Programmer/Analyst
>> > > mchat@h...
>> > > alt: mike.chatfield@p...
>> > >
>> > > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
>principalities,
>> > > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this
>world, against
>> > > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
>> > > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
>> > > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck
>in Colorodo
>> > >
>> > > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban
>Legend? ha ha
>> > >
>> > > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
>> > > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
>> > > >
>> > > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
>> > > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their
>Jeep Wrangler
>> > > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high
>slope so steep
>> > > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest
>they lose
>> > > their grip.
>> > > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
>> > > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
>> > > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
>> > > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Latest newspaper stories....
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
>> > > >
>> > > > and
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _____
>> > >
>> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
>> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
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11327 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:29am
Subject: Re: Upper Terminator, 8/12/2000 7:00 am
It's too early in the week to know if I can attend yet. But, if I can, I'd be
more that happy to "guide the way". I can let you know later in the week.
-Roger
osmtj@y... wrote:
>
> This is the follow up run to Lower Terminator which we ran on July
> 29th. I hope somebody can guide the way as I have never done Upper
> Terminator yet...
>
> Scott
>
11328 From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:33am
Subject: run? Chiva falls?
Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
-Bryan
bryan.loveless@n...
11329 From: DeVincentis, Jason <jason_devincentis@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:34am
Subject: RE: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
I have to agree with Linda on this point. It is bad enough that they aren't willing to help, then they make matters worse by wishing ill-luck.
"They have no business being there. It's horrible," said Krebs. "Four-wheelers usually help each other out when we're in trouble, but we don't want any part of this. I hope it costs them a ton."
The damage to the 4x4 community was already done when the story went public, however quotes like this will only further alienate OHV users. Again, back to the old adage- "If you don't have something nice to say..."
Jason
-----Original Message-----
From: LindaL [mailto:minihummer@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 4:18 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in
Colorodo
I read in the latest report that the Colorado Assoc of 4WD Clubs has refused to
get involved in the recovery. I think that was probably not the best idea since
keeping good repoire with the BLM and other land management agencies means
sometimes doing things that are not fun. If this had happened in Arizona I
suspect that there would be many volunteers to help get those vehicles off the
mountain side. Why do I think this? Because I think, that by nature, we all try
to help each other out -- including the idiots. Heck, we all run into novice
4-wheelers that are in situations over their heads. This is just a more extreme
case. Why the Colorado Assoc would refuse to help out defies everything
organized 4-wheeling is all about. I am embarassed!
Just my opinion
Linda
Chris R. wrote:
> I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term I have used
> for many years:
>
> I vote for Door Knob
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@excite.com
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> fool forever."
>
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
>
> > Darwin awards are for those "genius" people who manage to remove
> themselves
> > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
> killing
> > themselves. Although they didn't kill themselves perhaps they will
> refrain
> > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
> > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually did happen so
> it
> > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
> >
> > However stupidity of this sort should be "awarded," like the Darwin
> award.
> > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
> people
> > in OHV's that made the news; removal from the gene pool would not be a
> > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
> >
> > - Bonehead drivers
> > - Stupidly Stuck
> > - Just Junk 'em
> >
> > I'd rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
> > anywhere in the name of the award though.
> >
> > Mike Chatfield
> > Programmer/Analyst
> > mchat@home.com
> > alt: mike.chatfield@pegsinc.com
> >
> > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
> > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
> > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@quinnections.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
> >
> > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban Legend? ha ha
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" wrote:
> > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
> > >
> > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
> > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their Jeep Wrangler
> > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high slope so steep
> > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest they lose
> > their grip.
> > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
> > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
> > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
> > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Latest newspaper stories....
> > >
> > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> >
> > _____
> >
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11330 From: Ray B <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:45am
Subject: HELP!
Does anyone have, or know of, a usable pair of heads for a 304ci V-8
(it's in a '76 CJ5) or as a last resort, the name of a fair and
reputable shop where I can get them rebuilt reasonably? I'm not looking
for any great performance enhancement, I just wanna get this thing
running on all 8. I have about 145psi compression on 6 cyl's, but #1,
and 2 (front cyl on each side) are at about 45psi. I pulled springs and
found loose guides, but don't suspect any serious damage.
Also...does anybody have any suggestions on where to get the rubber
parts of the filler neck (2 large hoses one big with a bend, the other
smaller and straight)?
Any help would be appreciated!!
TIA
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11331 From: Matthew Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:14am
Subject: Re: run? Chiva falls?
I'd definitely be interested in doing this one. If there are still some of
the Tucson members around, I'm sure they can help out with directions and
maybe be talked into being the trail leader...
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
>From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
>Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:33:43 -0700 (MST)
>
>Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
>differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
>about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
>remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
>Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
>
>-Bryan
>bryan.loveless@n...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11332 From: DeVincentis, Jason <jason_devincentis@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 10:32am
Subject: RE: run? Chiva falls?
I would be interested in running this trail also...If no one shows up to lead the trail, I can...it has been a few months, but I believe I can run the basic trail, but it would be in and out on the same trail, don't know the "trap" trail yet...when would you plan on running this...let me know.
Jason
95 YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Barker [mailto:azjeepnut@theriver.com]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:14 AM
To: bryan.loveless@nau.edu; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
I'd definitely be interested in doing this one. If there are still some of
the Tucson members around, I'm sure they can help out with directions and
maybe be talked into being the trail leader...
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
>From: Bryan Loveless
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
>Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:33:43 -0700 (MST)
>
>Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
>differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
>about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
>remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
>Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
>
>-Bryan
>bryan.loveless@nau.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11333 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 10:47am
Subject: Re: run? Chiva falls?
I have been to chiva falls about 3-4 times in the last 8-9 months,
same way in and out also(non trap). I would like to go again, can't
make this weekend 12-13, but could make it next weekend 18-20.
Saterday would be the best for me.
Sinan
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "DeVincentis, Jason"
<jason_devincentis@i...> wrote:
> I would be interested in running this trail also...If no one shows
up to
> lead the trail, I can...it has been a few months, but I believe I
can run
> the basic trail, but it would be in and out on the same trail,
don't
know
> the "trap" trail yet...when would you plan on running this...let me
know.
>
> Jason
> 95 YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Barker [mailto:azjeepnut@t...]
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:14 AM
> To: bryan.loveless@n...; az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
>
>
> I'd definitely be interested in doing this one. If there are still
some of
> the Tucson members around, I'm sure they can help out with
directions and
> maybe be talked into being the trail leader...
>
> Matt B.
> 94 YJ
> http://azjeeps.web.com
> Range Riders 4 Wheelers
> Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
>
> >From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
> >Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:33:43 -0700 (MST)
> >
> >Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep?
Would open
> >differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and
I was
> >about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
> >remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be
appreciated.
> >Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
> >
> >-Bryan
> >bryan.loveless@n...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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11334 From: Matthew Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:07am
Subject: Re: Re: run? Chiva falls?
How about setting it up for the 19th?
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
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11335 From: <jraya@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 10:02am
Subject: Trail info needed please
My husband and I live in Tucson, AZ We have a 1980 CJ-7 with a spring
over lift
detroit locker and solid axles in the rear, upgaded axles and a
tru-trac in the front and 33x12.50 MCII. We have a group of friends we
go four wheeling with and we always go the same places charleaus gap,
chivo Falls, Rice peak. Well I said we need to find new places around
tucson or nearby to go. So they put me in charge of coming up with new
places to go. Does anybody know of other trails besides the above
mentioned in or around Tucson. We are planning on going to the jamboree
up in Florence in October to try out those trails, we got to see a taste
of them at the ARCA in March. They would prefer the new places being
fairly challenging I dont care as long as it is someplace new. Has
anyone heard of the sutherland trail or tequila tank??
Any help would be appreciated.
Thx Judy
11336 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 0:37pm
Subject: Re: run? Chiva falls?
As I recall...Chiva is a class 3+. I would suggest some lift and at least a
l/s rear. It might be too much for an open diff vehicle.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Loveless" <bryan.loveless@n...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
> Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
> differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
> about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
> remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
> Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
>
> -Bryan
> bryan.loveless@n...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
11337 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 0:43pm
Subject: Re: Trail info needed please
The Sutherland trail is a class 4...toward the end of it. It's a one way
trail (you have to turn back at the wilderness boundary). It used to go all
the way to Mt. Lemon.TimN showed it to me...it's a challenge. If you do it,
be very careful on one of the last obstacles. You'll hit a ledge going up a
hill to a switch back. Up from the turn to the switchback it another ledge.
Roll over here is a possibility, and it's a long way down to the bottom of
the canyon.
The trail head is just east if Catalina S.P. You could likely find it on a
quad or FS map.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <jraya@a...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:02 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Trail info needed please
> My husband and I live in Tucson, AZ We have a 1980 CJ-7 with a spring
> over lift
> detroit locker and solid axles in the rear, upgaded axles and a
> tru-trac in the front and 33x12.50 MCII. We have a group of friends we
> go four wheeling with and we always go the same places charleaus gap,
> chivo Falls, Rice peak. Well I said we need to find new places around
> tucson or nearby to go. So they put me in charge of coming up with new
> places to go. Does anybody know of other trails besides the above
> mentioned in or around Tucson. We are planning on going to the jamboree
> up in Florence in October to try out those trails, we got to see a taste
> of them at the ARCA in March. They would prefer the new places being
> fairly challenging I dont care as long as it is someplace new. Has
> anyone heard of the sutherland trail or tequila tank??
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thx Judy
>
>
>
>
>
>
11313 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 5:00pm
Subject: Texas Silverton pictures
Here is a link to a message I just posted.
http://jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001423.html
My buddy, Joe Ruby, from Phx took the pictures and sent them to me. He is
in the Silverton area doing some Jeepin'!
Though you all might enjoy some better quality photos.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
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11314 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 5:07pm
Subject: RE: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
I am certain there is a liability issue involved here. I spoke with my
friend, Joe Ruby, who hiked up to the spot and took some photos. He said he
was nearly blown off the mountain side on account of the 50 MPH winds. I
personally think they have their reasons for doing so. There is a great
chance for doing serious damage to equipment and worse yet, people! In
situations like this, trained professionals might be the correct
solution....not 4x4 happy volunteers.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: LindaL [mailto:minihummer@w...]
>Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 16:18
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in
>Colorodo
>
>
>I read in the latest report that the Colorado Assoc of 4WD Clubs
>has refused to
>get involved in the recovery. I think that was probably not the
>best idea since
>keeping good repoire with the BLM and other land management agencies means
>sometimes doing things that are not fun. If this had happened in Arizona I
>suspect that there would be many volunteers to help get those
>vehicles off the
>mountain side. Why do I think this? Because I think, that by
>nature, we all try
>to help each other out -- including the idiots. Heck, we all run
>into novice
>4-wheelers that are in situations over their heads. This is just
>a more extreme
>case. Why the Colorado Assoc would refuse to help out defies everything
>organized 4-wheeling is all about. I am embarassed!
>
>Just my opinion
>Linda
>
>Chris R. wrote:
>
>> I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term I have used
>> for many years:
>>
>> I vote for Door Knob
>>
>> Chris
>> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
>> My1stJeep@e...
>> '97 TJ
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
>remains a
>> fool forever."
>>
>> On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
>>
>> > Darwin awards are for those “genius” people who manage to remove
>> themselves
>> > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
>> killing
>> > themselves. Although they didn’t kill themselves perhaps they will
>> refrain
>> > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
>> > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually did
>happen so
>> it
>> > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
>> >
>> > However stupidity of this sort should be “awarded,” like the Darwin
>> award.
>> > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
>> people
>> > in OHV’s that made the news; removal from the gene pool would not be a
>> > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
>> >
>> > - Bonehead drivers
>> > - Stupidly Stuck
>> > - Just Junk ‘em
>> >
>> > I’d rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
>> > anywhere in the name of the award though.
>> >
>> > Mike Chatfield
>> > Programmer/Analyst
>> > mchat@h...
>> > alt: mike.chatfield@p...
>> >
>> > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
>principalities,
>> > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this
>world, against
>> > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
>> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
>> >
>> > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban Legend? ha ha
>> >
>> > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
>> > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
>> > >
>> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
>> > >
>> > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
>> > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their Jeep Wrangler
>> > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high slope so steep
>> > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest they lose
>> > their grip.
>> > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
>> > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
>> > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
>> > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Latest newspaper stories....
>> > >
>> > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
>> > >
>> > > and
>> > >
>> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
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11315 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 7:13pm
Subject: Re: Texas Silverton pictures
Boy oh boy - that winch point/anchor looks a little light weight.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Texas Silverton pictures
> Here is a link to a message I just posted.
>
> http://jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001423.html
>
> My buddy, Joe Ruby, from Phx took the pictures and sent them to me. He is
> in the Silverton area doing some Jeepin'!
>
> Though you all might enjoy some better quality photos.
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>
>
>
>
>
>
11316 From: david oboyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 10:13pm
Subject: RE: AzVJC T-Shirts
I agree, Just stick a small "open access for all" on the front below the
Vjc Logo... and Keep the Large on on the back..
Just my pennies worth..
Dave
>From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
>To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc]AzVJC T-Shirts
>Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:46:22 -0700
>
>This is just my opinion, and we all know we all have them!
>
>Simple is fine.....nothing wrong with that. However, I always take the
>opportunity to wear my off-road shirts to land use meetings as well as on
>the trail with my friends.
>
>In all honesty, the "its a Jeep thing..." saying is cute among fellow
>Jeepers, and probably even among off-roaders (cuz you get to explain to a
>Chevy owner that his s-10 is NOT an off-road vehicle). <G>
>
>However, in front of a tree hugging greenie or land use management
>personnel, I would rather put across a more serious message. Someone
>mentioned the "open access for all" slogan which is an outstanding one, and
>is already used by many OHV groups in one form or another. It sends not
>only a strong message, but a very serious one too.
>
>Having the club graphic on the other side is a good idea. It is us, pure
>and simple!
>
>Stu
>
>Stu Olson N7QJP
>Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: i999scoot@a... [mailto:i999scoot@a...]
> >Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 14:08
> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc]AzVJC T-Shirts
> >
> >
> >I say we just keep the shirts simple. On the front we could have a small
> >writing in the top corner that says "It's A Jeep Thing,
> > You Wouldn't Understand" or
> >something like
> >that. Then on the back we can have our logo with the url under
> >it? What
> >does everyone think?
> >
> >Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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11317 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 10:17pm
Subject: Re: Texas Silverton pictures
Looking at those pictures it seems that a Hi Jack could get those things
moving off the mountain pretty quick. :-(
DougB wrote:
>
> Boy oh boy - that winch point/anchor looks a little light weight.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@u...>
> To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:00 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Texas Silverton pictures
>
> > Here is a link to a message I just posted.
> >
> > http://jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001423.html
> >
> > My buddy, Joe Ruby, from Phx took the pictures and sent them to me. He is
> > in the Silverton area doing some Jeepin'!
> >
> > Though you all might enjoy some better quality photos.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson N7QJP
> > Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
> > http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> > http://home.off-road.com/~stu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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find that they very rarely lose or fail.
11318 From: <DesertRogue@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 8:49pm
Subject: 1969 kaiser jeepster commando
any one interested in rebuilding/restoring a 1969 kaiser jeepster commando in
N.Phoenix area contact desertrogue@a...
11319 From: Chris <cmandrick@v...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 1:12am
Subject: Those Texans...
I am pretty sure that everyone in this club has pulled a stupid human trick
on the trail, maybe not to the extent of national news coverage, but
driving how and where we do usually incurs some mistakes. Everyone is
quick to point out the lack of good judgement these fellows used, how
ignorant they are, etc. We can bet the farm these guys learned a lesson,
better yet had a crash course in land use issues, BLM policy, and vehicle
recovery. None of this would have happened had an experienced 4-wheeler
with them. Hopefully the word is out on driving up really big and steep
mountains off the trail at night.
Off my soapbox,
Chris
11320 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 6, 2000 9:48pm
Subject: Re: Texas Silverton pictures
I think a slight breeze would do it.... :)
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11321 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 7:40am
Subject: SOA Complete
Wanted to let the list know that we completed our first SOA on a CJ7 as
Toybox Off-Road. We've done a few in the past for friends, but none as
Toybox Off-Road. Things came out really well and hopefully we will have a
writeup soon on the work that was done. Took a day and the ride is better
than before. A few tweaks still to make, but overall a grand success.
If anyone is interested in what we did and can't wait for the writeup, just
shoot me a message. Always willing to help out how ever I can.
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11322 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 7:34am
Subject: Re: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
Two expressions that would fit IMHO are "DIPSTICK or MORON of the year"
Bob
"Chris R." wrote:
> I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term I have used
> for many years:
>
> I vote for Door Knob
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@e...
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> fool forever."
>
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
>
> > Darwin awards are for those “genius” people who manage to remove
> themselves
> > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
> killing
> > themselves. Although they didn’t kill themselves perhaps they will
> refrain
> > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
> > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually did happen so
> it
> > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
> >
> > However stupidity of this sort should be “awarded,” like the Darwin
> award.
> > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
> people
> > in OHV’s that made the news; removal from the gene pool would not be a
> > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
> >
> > - Bonehead drivers
> > - Stupidly Stuck
> > - Just Junk ‘em
> >
> > I’d rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
> > anywhere in the name of the award though.
> >
> > Mike Chatfield
> > Programmer/Analyst
> > mchat@h...
> > alt: mike.chatfield@p...
> >
> > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
> > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
> > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
> >
> > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban Legend? ha ha
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
> > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
> > >
> > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
> > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their Jeep Wrangler
> > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high slope so steep
> > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest they lose
> > their grip.
> > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
> > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
> > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
> > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Latest newspaper stories....
> > >
> > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> >
> > _____
> >
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11323 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 7:40am
Subject: Re: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
I agree with Linda. These guys made a major idiot move but the more people that help
out, the less damage to the landscape ETC.
Bob
LindaL wrote:
> I read in the latest report that the Colorado Assoc of 4WD Clubs has refused to
> get involved in the recovery. I think that was probably not the best idea since
> keeping good repoire with the BLM and other land management agencies means
> sometimes doing things that are not fun. If this had happened in Arizona I
> suspect that there would be many volunteers to help get those vehicles off the
> mountain side. Why do I think this? Because I think, that by nature, we all try
> to help each other out -- including the idiots. Heck, we all run into novice
> 4-wheelers that are in situations over their heads. This is just a more extreme
> case. Why the Colorado Assoc would refuse to help out defies everything
> organized 4-wheeling is all about. I am embarassed!
>
> Just my opinion
> Linda
>
> Chris R. wrote:
>
> > I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term I have used
> > for many years:
> >
> > I vote for Door Knob
> >
> > Chris
> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > My1stJeep@e...
> > '97 TJ
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> > fool forever."
> >
> > On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
> >
> > > Darwin awards are for those “genius” people who manage to remove
> > themselves
> > > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
> > killing
> > > themselves. Although they didn’t kill themselves perhaps they will
> > refrain
> > > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
> > > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually did happen so
> > it
> > > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
> > >
> > > However stupidity of this sort should be “awarded,” like the Darwin
> > award.
> > > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
> > people
> > > in OHV’s that made the news; removal from the gene pool would not be a
> > > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
> > >
> > > - Bonehead drivers
> > > - Stupidly Stuck
> > > - Just Junk ‘em
> > >
> > > I’d rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
> > > anywhere in the name of the award though.
> > >
> > > Mike Chatfield
> > > Programmer/Analyst
> > > mchat@h...
> > > alt: mike.chatfield@p...
> > >
> > > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
> > > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
> > > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
> > >
> > > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban Legend? ha ha
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
> > > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
> > > >
> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
> > > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their Jeep Wrangler
> > > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high slope so steep
> > > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest they lose
> > > their grip.
> > > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
> > > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
> > > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
> > > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Latest newspaper stories....
> > > >
> > > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> > >
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11324 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 8:22am
Subject: Goodyear M/T's for sale
We've got 5 Goodyear M/T's for sale at $100 each with road hazard paper work
from Discount Tire. They are 35X12.50X15's with at least 90% tread left on
them. Anyone interested???
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11325 From: Dion Bozman <amstaff@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:03am
Subject: ZJ and T-shirts
Hi all: Thanks a lot to the folks who took their own time to clean up
someone else's mess on Lower Terminator. Great job.
Put me down for two T-shirts when they're done. Also, whoever is handling
the design, I'm pretty handy with Photoshop and make some T-shirt templates
already. If you want, I can mock up a couple different designs on different
colored shirts and then maybe post them on Photopoint for everyone to see.
We could have a vote as to which design the majority likes the best, then
produce that shirt.
Just a thought. It would be pretty simple for me to do this.
Dion
11326 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 8:40am
Subject: RE: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
I clipped this quote out of the on-line Denver Post:
"The BLM's position is that an expert must handle the extrication, and the
BLM will monitor any attempt, Hoffman said."
Mr. Hoffman is a BLM official at the local office. He did not specify the
definition of an expert (no jokes please ;-). I do not know at what point
the BLM changed their stance on this, but the statement was made on August
3. At that point, it is my understanding that they were NOT letting any
volunteers help with the extraction. The BLM considered it too dangerous
(and probably rightly so?). As I said before, I am sure there are liability
issues that none of us are aware of, just like last week's thread about the
DPS pulls you over for a trailer violation....you can't move it until the
problem is fixed....because the officer would be liable if he let you move
the trailer before fixing it.
Bob, I am not sure I can buy into your comment about "the more people that
help out, the less damage to the landscape". It is possible it might happen
that way, or, it could be "the more people that are there, the more they
muck the place up, etc." too.
Either way, the vehicles are off the mountain, and thank God, no one was
hurt. Let's all hope we never have to witness another situation like this
one.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Nyberg [mailto:r.nyberg@w...]
>Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 07:41
>To: minihummer@w...
>Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in
>Colorodo
>
>
>I agree with Linda. These guys made a major idiot move but the
>more people that help
>out, the less damage to the landscape ETC.
>
>Bob
>
>LindaL wrote:
>
>> I read in the latest report that the Colorado Assoc of 4WD Clubs
>has refused to
>> get involved in the recovery. I think that was probably not the
>best idea since
>> keeping good repoire with the BLM and other land management
>agencies means
>> sometimes doing things that are not fun. If this had happened in
>Arizona I
>> suspect that there would be many volunteers to help get those
>vehicles off the
>> mountain side. Why do I think this? Because I think, that by
>nature, we all try
>> to help each other out -- including the idiots. Heck, we all run
>into novice
>> 4-wheelers that are in situations over their heads. This is
>just a more extreme
>> case. Why the Colorado Assoc would refuse to help out defies everything
>> organized 4-wheeling is all about. I am embarassed!
>>
>> Just my opinion
>> Linda
>>
>> Chris R. wrote:
>>
>> > I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term
>I have used
>> > for many years:
>> >
>> > I vote for Door Knob
>> >
>> > Chris
>> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
>> > My1stJeep@e...
>> > '97 TJ
>> > ----------------------------------------------------
>> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not
>ask remains a
>> > fool forever."
>> >
>> > On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
>> >
>> > > Darwin awards are for those “genius” people who manage to remove
>> > themselves
>> > > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
>> > killing
>> > > themselves. Although they didn’t kill themselves perhaps they will
>> > refrain
>> > > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
>> > > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually
>did happen so
>> > it
>> > > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
>> > >
>> > > However stupidity of this sort should be “awarded,” like the Darwin
>> > award.
>> > > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
>> > people
>> > > in OHV’s that made the news; removal from the gene pool
>would not be a
>> > > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
>> > >
>> > > - Bonehead drivers
>> > > - Stupidly Stuck
>> > > - Just Junk ‘em
>> > >
>> > > I’d rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
>> > > anywhere in the name of the award though.
>> > >
>> > > Mike Chatfield
>> > > Programmer/Analyst
>> > > mchat@h...
>> > > alt: mike.chatfield@p...
>> > >
>> > > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
>principalities,
>> > > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this
>world, against
>> > > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@q...]
>> > > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
>> > > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck
>in Colorodo
>> > >
>> > > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban
>Legend? ha ha
>> > >
>> > > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
>> > > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
>> > > >
>> > > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
>> > > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their
>Jeep Wrangler
>> > > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high
>slope so steep
>> > > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest
>they lose
>> > > their grip.
>> > > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
>> > > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
>> > > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
>> > > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Latest newspaper stories....
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
>> > > >
>> > > > and
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _____
>> > >
>> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
>> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
>> > >
>> > > _____
>> > >
>> >
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11327 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:29am
Subject: Re: Upper Terminator, 8/12/2000 7:00 am
It's too early in the week to know if I can attend yet. But, if I can, I'd be
more that happy to "guide the way". I can let you know later in the week.
-Roger
osmtj@y... wrote:
>
> This is the follow up run to Lower Terminator which we ran on July
> 29th. I hope somebody can guide the way as I have never done Upper
> Terminator yet...
>
> Scott
>
11328 From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:33am
Subject: run? Chiva falls?
Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
-Bryan
bryan.loveless@n...
11329 From: DeVincentis, Jason <jason_devincentis@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:34am
Subject: RE: Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
I have to agree with Linda on this point. It is bad enough that they aren't willing to help, then they make matters worse by wishing ill-luck.
"They have no business being there. It's horrible," said Krebs. "Four-wheelers usually help each other out when we're in trouble, but we don't want any part of this. I hope it costs them a ton."
The damage to the 4x4 community was already done when the story went public, however quotes like this will only further alienate OHV users. Again, back to the old adage- "If you don't have something nice to say..."
Jason
-----Original Message-----
From: LindaL [mailto:minihummer@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 4:18 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in
Colorodo
I read in the latest report that the Colorado Assoc of 4WD Clubs has refused to
get involved in the recovery. I think that was probably not the best idea since
keeping good repoire with the BLM and other land management agencies means
sometimes doing things that are not fun. If this had happened in Arizona I
suspect that there would be many volunteers to help get those vehicles off the
mountain side. Why do I think this? Because I think, that by nature, we all try
to help each other out -- including the idiots. Heck, we all run into novice
4-wheelers that are in situations over their heads. This is just a more extreme
case. Why the Colorado Assoc would refuse to help out defies everything
organized 4-wheeling is all about. I am embarassed!
Just my opinion
Linda
Chris R. wrote:
> I think this most fits these acts of stupidity. It is a term I have used
> for many years:
>
> I vote for Door Knob
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@excite.com
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a
> fool forever."
>
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 06:16:09 -0700, Mike wrote:
>
> > Darwin awards are for those "genius" people who manage to remove
> themselves
> > from the gene pool by doing something really stupid and accidentally
> killing
> > themselves. Although they didn't kill themselves perhaps they will
> refrain
> > from reproduction on their own; people who do stuff like this give 4
> > Wheelers a bad name. Unfortunately for us, this actually did happen so
> it
> > disqualifies for an Urban Legend.
> >
> > However stupidity of this sort should be "awarded," like the Darwin
> award.
> > Perhaps we could come up with our own list of stupid actions done by
> people
> > in OHV's that made the news; removal from the gene pool would not be a
> > requirement, but an added bonus. What would we call such an award?
> >
> > - Bonehead drivers
> > - Stupidly Stuck
> > - Just Junk 'em
> >
> > I'd rather not have 4 Wheeler, Off-Road, OHV, Outdoor, 4x4, ATV, etc
> > anywhere in the name of the award though.
> >
> > Mike Chatfield
> > Programmer/Analyst
> > mchat@home.com
> > alt: mike.chatfield@pegsinc.com
> >
> > For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
> > against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against
> > spiritual wickedness in high places. - Ephesians 6:12
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Quinn [mailto:tom@quinnections.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:49 AM
> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of those guys currently stuck in Colorodo
> >
> > Hmmmm, possibly nomination for a Darwin Award or Urban Legend? ha ha
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Larry" wrote:
> > > http://www.ilovejeeps.com/4x4101/art/morons.jpg
> > >
> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/truck0805.jpg
> > >
> > > Excerpt from the Denver Post....
> > > "They strayed from an old mining road and drove their Jeep Wrangler
> > and Dodge Ram over a ridge and onto a 12,500-foot high slope so steep
> > even plants don't dare poke up more than a foot or two lest they lose
> > their grip.
> > > The brothers quickly reached a point of no return on the
> > mountainside. When they tried to move forward or back, they slid
> > sideways instead. The prospect of rolling 30 or 40 times down nearly
> > vertical alpine tundra led them to hike down at twilight "
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Latest newspaper stories....
> > >
> > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/0805trck3.shtml
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > http://www.denverpost.com/news/news0805e.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
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> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/7749/11/_/1966/_/965566169/>
> >
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11330 From: Ray B <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 9:45am
Subject: HELP!
Does anyone have, or know of, a usable pair of heads for a 304ci V-8
(it's in a '76 CJ5) or as a last resort, the name of a fair and
reputable shop where I can get them rebuilt reasonably? I'm not looking
for any great performance enhancement, I just wanna get this thing
running on all 8. I have about 145psi compression on 6 cyl's, but #1,
and 2 (front cyl on each side) are at about 45psi. I pulled springs and
found loose guides, but don't suspect any serious damage.
Also...does anybody have any suggestions on where to get the rubber
parts of the filler neck (2 large hoses one big with a bend, the other
smaller and straight)?
Any help would be appreciated!!
TIA
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11331 From: Matthew Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 3:14am
Subject: Re: run? Chiva falls?
I'd definitely be interested in doing this one. If there are still some of
the Tucson members around, I'm sure they can help out with directions and
maybe be talked into being the trail leader...
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
>From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
>Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:33:43 -0700 (MST)
>
>Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
>differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
>about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
>remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
>Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
>
>-Bryan
>bryan.loveless@n...
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11332 From: DeVincentis, Jason <jason_devincentis@i...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 10:32am
Subject: RE: run? Chiva falls?
I would be interested in running this trail also...If no one shows up to lead the trail, I can...it has been a few months, but I believe I can run the basic trail, but it would be in and out on the same trail, don't know the "trap" trail yet...when would you plan on running this...let me know.
Jason
95 YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Barker [mailto:azjeepnut@theriver.com]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:14 AM
To: bryan.loveless@nau.edu; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
I'd definitely be interested in doing this one. If there are still some of
the Tucson members around, I'm sure they can help out with directions and
maybe be talked into being the trail leader...
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
>From: Bryan Loveless
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
>Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:33:43 -0700 (MST)
>
>Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
>differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
>about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
>remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
>Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
>
>-Bryan
>bryan.loveless@nau.edu
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11333 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 10:47am
Subject: Re: run? Chiva falls?
I have been to chiva falls about 3-4 times in the last 8-9 months,
same way in and out also(non trap). I would like to go again, can't
make this weekend 12-13, but could make it next weekend 18-20.
Saterday would be the best for me.
Sinan
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "DeVincentis, Jason"
<jason_devincentis@i...> wrote:
> I would be interested in running this trail also...If no one shows
up to
> lead the trail, I can...it has been a few months, but I believe I
can run
> the basic trail, but it would be in and out on the same trail,
don't
know
> the "trap" trail yet...when would you plan on running this...let me
know.
>
> Jason
> 95 YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Barker [mailto:azjeepnut@t...]
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:14 AM
> To: bryan.loveless@n...; az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
>
>
> I'd definitely be interested in doing this one. If there are still
some of
> the Tucson members around, I'm sure they can help out with
directions and
> maybe be talked into being the trail leader...
>
> Matt B.
> 94 YJ
> http://azjeeps.web.com
> Range Riders 4 Wheelers
> Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
>
> >From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
> >Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:33:43 -0700 (MST)
> >
> >Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep?
Would open
> >differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and
I was
> >about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
> >remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be
appreciated.
> >Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
> >
> >-Bryan
> >bryan.loveless@n...
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11334 From: Matthew Barker <azjeepnut@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 4:07am
Subject: Re: Re: run? Chiva falls?
How about setting it up for the 19th?
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
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11335 From: <jraya@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 10:02am
Subject: Trail info needed please
My husband and I live in Tucson, AZ We have a 1980 CJ-7 with a spring
over lift
detroit locker and solid axles in the rear, upgaded axles and a
tru-trac in the front and 33x12.50 MCII. We have a group of friends we
go four wheeling with and we always go the same places charleaus gap,
chivo Falls, Rice peak. Well I said we need to find new places around
tucson or nearby to go. So they put me in charge of coming up with new
places to go. Does anybody know of other trails besides the above
mentioned in or around Tucson. We are planning on going to the jamboree
up in Florence in October to try out those trails, we got to see a taste
of them at the ARCA in March. They would prefer the new places being
fairly challenging I dont care as long as it is someplace new. Has
anyone heard of the sutherland trail or tequila tank??
Any help would be appreciated.
Thx Judy
11336 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 0:37pm
Subject: Re: run? Chiva falls?
As I recall...Chiva is a class 3+. I would suggest some lift and at least a
l/s rear. It might be too much for an open diff vehicle.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Loveless" <bryan.loveless@n...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] run? Chiva falls?
> Has anyone been to chiva falls? What would I need on my jeep? Would open
> differentials be ok? The last time I went I was in a cherokee and I was
> about 7, so I dont remember where it is or when the water flows. I
> remember it being gorgeous out there. Any info would be appreciated.
> Does the "club" want to make a run out there sometime?
>
> -Bryan
> bryan.loveless@n...
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11337 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 7, 2000 0:43pm
Subject: Re: Trail info needed please
The Sutherland trail is a class 4...toward the end of it. It's a one way
trail (you have to turn back at the wilderness boundary). It used to go all
the way to Mt. Lemon.TimN showed it to me...it's a challenge. If you do it,
be very careful on one of the last obstacles. You'll hit a ledge going up a
hill to a switch back. Up from the turn to the switchback it another ledge.
Roll over here is a possibility, and it's a long way down to the bottom of
the canyon.
The trail head is just east if Catalina S.P. You could likely find it on a
quad or FS map.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <jraya@a...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:02 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Trail info needed please
> My husband and I live in Tucson, AZ We have a 1980 CJ-7 with a spring
> over lift
> detroit locker and solid axles in the rear, upgaded axles and a
> tru-trac in the front and 33x12.50 MCII. We have a group of friends we
> go four wheeling with and we always go the same places charleaus gap,
> chivo Falls, Rice peak. Well I said we need to find new places around
> tucson or nearby to go. So they put me in charge of coming up with new
> places to go. Does anybody know of other trails besides the above
> mentioned in or around Tucson. We are planning on going to the jamboree
> up in Florence in October to try out those trails, we got to see a taste
> of them at the ARCA in March. They would prefer the new places being
> fairly challenging I dont care as long as it is someplace new. Has
> anyone heard of the sutherland trail or tequila tank??
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thx Judy
>
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