Help Needed Next Saturday 7am

[FlexyXJ]

Hey Guys......ok here is a 15 hour story shortened ALOT. Yesterday, I led the AZXJ group through Martinez Canyon. The trail went slow, but good. Coming up the switchbacks, I rounded the corner and saw a Ford Bronco rolled down the side. It had written on the side in black sharpie "all Ok 11-27-04"
So we all looked and sure enough, it had been rolled down sometime within the last couple of hours, the engine was still warm and the dome light was on. So after looking at it and thinking how much it would suck, we continued on our way. Fast FWD 2 hours./....... So as one of the group is sort of stuck on the waterfall on the exit out, there were 2 people on quads, looking VERY lost and confused. One was an older lady on a quad and the other was a younger guy on another quad. He came up and asked me some questions about how to get out to the road and after talking to him for awhile, Found out his FRIEND was the one who rolled the Bronco on the trail, and as they were coming out of the trail, they came upon this lady sitting by her husband on the ground bleeding severely. I found out that the man had been trying to climb the hill UP the exit of martinez and the quad had flipped back on him injuring him SEVERELY. So the guys helped put him in their other vehicle while one of them rode the damaged quad with the lady. By now it was already dark and Somehow they got seperated from the people with her injured husband. We found them when they were lost. So on the way out with them following to the highway, we were stopped by the sherriff telling us we would have to wait because they had an air-evac coming into pick someone up. Well 2 and 2 were put together and the rest is history. So.......The guy with the bronco has asked me to see if I had any idea on how to get the bronco out, and I told him I would see if I could get some people together to help remove it. I was planning on Next Saturday meeting at 7am at cottonwood canyon road and going from there. Its not going to be easy, we will need as many winches as we can get, recovery equpment and some time. Who would be interested in helping??? IMHO, I think that someone who has had such a bad day of rolling their bronco down a moutain and surviving, then stoping to help someone with a very serious injury deserves some help. Lets see what we can do to help. It was his only vehicle too.


Joe
Absolute Offroad 602-248-8949

[frog]

Joe,

I'm schedueled to work sat but if that changes or I can get out of it I'll be there.

[Hackle]

I am willing to help out.
Bring lots of blankets for the winch cables.
I will try to grab a couple FRS from work for the day to help out also.
I will bring my new digital camcorder so we can have this to show the Land Agencies that we clean up without thier even asking.
Jim F.

[flxy_tj]

Ok Let make sure it is all good with the wife but I don't see why I would not be able to help out. Finally got a winch a few weeks back. It is only 8000 pounds but it may help, also have a snatch block and what not.
Give me a call if needed 480 688 7972.
Later Snowden
To bad the tow rig does not have a winch...........

[Hackle]

Jon I would guess that we need at least 5 to 6 winches for this, consider this your call that you are needed.
Jim F.

[luvrocks]

I will be there with Andy.i have three FRS's i will bring!!!

[fhjonesjr]

I don't have any equipment to help but if you need some manual help let me know cuz I'm free :D

[jeep4offrd]

I'm in as well. I have a 9500i and some extra straps and chain and D rings. And a snatch block.
Bruce

[Hackle]

I will post up a run on the AZVJC web site.
Do not wait to jump in to help this will take a lot of work.
As i said 5 to 6 winches and lots of manual labor. I will film the whole thing so we can have it for use with the Land Agencies later.
Please remember we are running the entire canyon run to get to it. Your rig must be able to make it. We have enough to do getting the Bronco out without adding to the work load. Be prepared.
Trip is posted.
Jim F.

[FlexyXJ]

Great!!! I appreciate everyone who is planning on helping. Right now we have 8 people/Jeeps but only 5 winches. Hopefully in the next couple of days more people will sign up. Thanks everyone! Remember that we will also need to bring FRS radios, snatch blocks, and staps with "D" rings (no metal hooks)


Joe
Absolute Offroad 602-248-8949

[Hackle]

Joe said this thing is on it's roof at this time. That means all the fluids will be on the ground. I will bring pigpads and Peatsorb. We will need shovels and trash bags to remove the fluids that have drained out. As I said plenty of labor to go around. We need to do this right in order to use it to our advantage.
Jim F.

[jeep4offrd]

I dont have a frs radio.
Bruce

[Hackle]

I will bring some FRS radios and Randy Davis is bringing some. If others bring what they have we will be fine. Do not let that keep you from showing up to help. All help will be excepted we will find open seats if your rig can not make the entire trail. Just show up to help, the rest we will work out.
Jim F.

[k7mto]

Have winch will travel. No FRS but I have a 2m/440 HT (HAM) radio if we get in any further trouble and need communications out of the canyon.

Where exactly did the roll happen and just how far down did the Bronco tumble?

Do we know what parts it might need to at least be towable back to a trailer?

[FlexyXJ]

Matt, It's about the 3rd or 4th switchback from the top....Its down AT LEAST 75 feet...I might have some pictures If I can get some from someone who was there....I will try. It may make it easier to picture the whole thing. As of right now, It should not need too much to drive it, it was driven there. Its really hard to tell however. I think with all of the brain power we can figure something out.... :D


Joe
Absolute Offroad 602-248-8949

[RokNRich]

I signed up for the trip, have a 9000 Lb. winch. Will do whatever else I can to help.

[ESC]

Hey everyone, my name is Eric and I'm the guy who took the tumble with the bronco. Thank-you to Joe for helping to arrange some help, and also to everyone who can/will help.
Once righted, it should roll OK after seating the bead and inflating the tires. I was pretty dazed after the roll so I didn't get too good a look at the truck but my buddy said the dash was crumpled around the ignition key and he was unable to remove it. I'm just hoping that since its pretty out of the way that no one will go and vandalize/steal anything.

So thanks so much for all your offers to help.
Could someone please post or email me more info about the meeting spot? Is this the road off of 60 or 79? I'm familiar with the one off 60 but not the other.

edit - btw, I spoke to the wife of the injured man (quad accident) tonight and her husband is doing well. He has several broken ribs and about a 6 inch gash from his adams apple to his chin. He should recover fully.
Lastly, here's the pics I have:

http://members.cox.net/rokbronco/rollover1sm.jpg
http://members.cox.net/ric4/rollover2sm.jpg
http://members.cox.net/ric4/rollover3sm.jpg
http://members.cox.net/rokbronco/rollover4sm.jpg
http://members.cox.net/ric4/rollover5sm.jpg
http://members.cox.net/ric4/rollover6sm.jpg
http://members.cox.net/ric4/rollover7sm.jpg
http://members.cox.net/ric4/rollover8sm.jpg

[XJ Un-Limited]

I'm not sure if my rig will make it through canyon trail or not, but I'll be there to give a hand in the least. Would sooner have more than enough people than not enough.

[k7mto]

Glad to hear you're OK, Eric. Looks like you took quite a spill. Knowing that canyon it could easily have been much worse. Also glad to hear the other gentlemen will be OK.

Not sure if possible for you, but it might be worthwhile to head up there before Saturday and pull your wheels/tires and any other valuable parts. If you can't haul them out, move them away from the rig and stash them out of site (cover with brush) so it appears to anyone who may happend to be out there during the week that it's not worth climbing down to scavenge from.

Cottonwood Canyon Rd is the entrace off of 79 where the staging area is by the flagpole. It's about 5 miles south of the 60 interchange.

[jeepin_in_az]

Wow, glad to hear you are ok after that tumble.

That bronco looks familiar...can't place it though.


I am unavailable on Saturday, but have 2 FRS's, 2 D-rings, and a strap if Bruce wants to take it with him. Looks like it is time to hook up the 8274 on the Jeep for occasions like this.

[flxy_tj]

So thanks so much for all your offers to help.
Could someone please post or email me more info about the meeting spot? Is this the road off of 60 or 79? I'm familiar with the one off 60 but not the other.



Ok I'm good to go for Sat. I also picked up a new 30,000 pound strap a couple weeks ago.
The meeting place is going to be between Mile markers 145 and 144 on 79. You hit the 79 going east on 60 and then head south it will be on the east side.

[Linda]

The Sonoran Scouts did a similar dead pull a couple years back. A Scout lost its brakes and slid/rolled about 100 ft down a 45-50 degree incline. In the end it took a hydraulic winch to do the job. The electric ones kept overheating. Try to find someone set up with a hydraulic to help out. Anyway... it's just a suggestion.

Good luck!

[FlexyXJ]

Eric, If you are reading this, remember to give me a call at the shop today. I will fill you in on all of the details. As of right now, I dont really think there is too much of a concern about vandals. There is not really that much traffic out there during the week, so I think it will be ok. As for the meeting time and place, We need to meet at the entrance of Cottonwood canyon road @ 7am Saturday the 4th of dec. I want to start at 7 because we will need to go to the canyon (1hour) drive the canyon (another hour) and that puts us at 9am. We have right now, 8 winches coming, lots of straps, snatch blocks, and clean up materials. Absolute Offroad will provide the Peat Sorb, so we need to bring some shovels and garbage bags. Stay tuned. :D


Joe
Absolute Offroad 602-248-8949

[ESC]

Thanks Joe...I'll give you a call today at about noon-ish. I'm thinking along the same lines as you in terms of no one happening across the wreck since it is so far out and out of the way. (I have to think positive since my DD truck can't make it out there :cool: )

Thanks again to everyone offering to help! :o

[Dustin]

Dont know what you guys have planned for hauling it home after its out but I have a F250 and car hauler to get it home if needed.

If its not needed I will be out there helping anyway, no winich but my rig is pretty built and Im good with a strap.

[OlneyJeeps]

Insurance agent plus I'm not a Sheriff, but I did play a sheriff in a movie (Down will come Baby with Meridith Baxter):

1.: obviousely get written permission of owner (with proof he is the owner) with "hold harmless" statment for any further damage to the vehicle

2: If he did have Comprehensive/Collision coverage on the vehicle you may have hime contact his insurance company for both permission and possibly a "donation" towards the cost of recovery (this is included in the coverage usually)

3: If the vehicle is a TOTAL loss (and you have permission from the owner and insurance company), the method we used to revover our '73 Wagoneer from what is now the 4Peaks Wilderness was to
a. remove front clip
b. remove engine,trans,xfer and front axle
c: connect front frame (using chain/clevis or whatever... unfortuneatly I recently threw out makeshift hitch my dad had made out of .75 inch steel) to tow hitch and tow it out like a trailer

I would love to join in the fun (I would also like to get a bunch together to remove a 93ish 4Runner rolled and abanondend out by Saguaro Lake a couple of weeks ago), but I am going to be out of town. If needed, I have to lend:
M415 trailer (for removed parts)
10 Ton or so (monster for use with heavy equipment) Clevis
Oxy Aceletene cutting torch and tanks (need filling)
blankets (for winch cables)
snatch block

[richard]

I will be their I have 8000 no raido just a cb

[FlexyXJ]

Insurance agent plus I'm not a Sheriff, but I did play a sheriff in a movie (Down will come Baby with Meridith Baxter):

1.: obviousely get written permission of owner (with proof he is the owner) with "hold harmless" statment for any further damage to the vehicle

2: If he did have Comprehensive/Collision coverage on the vehicle you may have hime contact his insurance company for both permission and possibly a "donation" towards the cost of recovery (this is included in the coverage usually)

3: If the vehicle is a TOTAL loss (and you have permission from the owner and insurance company), the method we used to revover our '73 Wagoneer from what is now the 4Peaks Wilderness was to
a. remove front clip
b. remove engine,trans,xfer and front axle
c: connect front frame (using chain/clevis or whatever... unfortuneatly I recently threw out makeshift hitch my dad had made out of .75 inch steel) to tow hitch and tow it out like a trailer

I would love to join in the fun (I would also like to get a bunch together to remove a 93ish 4Runner rolled and abanondend out by Saguaro Lake a couple of weeks ago), but I am going to be out of town. If needed, I have to lend:
M415 trailer (for removed parts)
10 Ton or so (monster for use with heavy equipment) Clevis
Oxy Aceletene cutting torch and tanks (need filling)
blankets (for winch cables)
snatch block


Steve, I think you might be over-analyzing this just a little bit. I know in todays litigous society that EVERYONE needs to cover their own butt against lawsuits and things, but I have talked with Chris quite a bit on this and I highly doubt he is the type of person that would even think of suing people that have gone out of their way to help him and not even know him. He is just happy to have survived this uninjured, and he just wants this to be done with. He is quite aware of the damage to the vehicle, and also aware that it's not going to be a pretty extraction by any means. I mean if he really wanted to be a dirt bag, he could have just reported it stolen and been done with it at that point. However, considering that he took his own time and effort to, after rolling his own vehicle and walking away from it, help another individual who had quite possible fatal injuries. I can tell you now, that the bronco that helped Dave, the quad rider out of the canyon was, well, very bloody and damaged, and it was not even a concern to any of them. As for taking it apart, well that would be out of the question, I am quite sure we will get it out of there in one piece.


Joe
Absolute Offroad 602-248-8949

[Huck]

Joe,
Knetaz and I are aware of the need and are winch, snatch block, peatsorb, pigpad, D-ring, N2 and CO2 tank, and strap prepared. I was planning on seeing my folks in LA on Saturday, since I wasn't able to head out for Turkey Day. We ran Martinez with 19 Rubicons on Friday, but must have missed the roll. We will be checking in to see how much help you have and if needed I could have my arm twisted into staying in town and helping.
Do you still have my number? This will be recovery number two for me in Martinez......
Wow, what a mess, let me know,
Huck

[OlneyJeeps]

Steve, I think you might be over-analyzing this just a little bit. I know in todays litigous society that EVERYONE needs to cover their own butt against lawsuits and things, but I have talked with Chris quite a bit on this and I highly doubt he is the type of person that would even think of suing people that have gone out of their way to help him and not even know him. He is just happy to have survived this uninjured, and he just wants this to be done with. He is quite aware of the damage to the vehicle, and also aware that it's not going to be a pretty extraction by any means. I mean if he really wanted to be a dirt bag, he could have just reported it stolen and been done with it at that point. However, considering that he took his own time and effort to, after rolling his own vehicle and walking away from it, help another individual who had quite possible fatal injuries. I can tell you now, that the bronco that helped Dave, the quad rider out of the canyon was, well, very bloody and damaged, and it was not even a concern to any of them. As for taking it apart, well that would be out of the question, I am quite sure we will get it out of there in one piece.


Joe
Absolute Offroad 602-248-8949

Having worked several years as a collector (I was a nice one.... really) one could think they had seen some of the worst people could be (on a civil side, excluding wars and the such), unfortuneatly, after 12 years in insurance that was about as far from the truth as could be. Money changes people big time: they sue friends and family.

This being said, those who know me know that I am still that naive trusting idiot that has loaned everything from an engine hoist, trailer, various equipment and even my Jeep(s) and have gotten screwed.

I was just making a small point: be aware of possible consequences.

[RickBeer]

I am not sure if I can make it but I can donate 2 FRS radios & a snatch block if needed

[highjeeps]

Thanks Joe...I'll give you a call today at about noon-ish. I'm thinking along the same lines as you in terms of no one happening across the wreck since it is so far out and out of the way. (I have to think positive since my DD truck can't make it out there :cool: )

Thanks again to everyone offering to help! :o

The fact that this has gotten a lot of publicity on this board and Yahoo AZVJC (via the trip post), which are open to the public, it may draw scavengers out there during the week. If it had not been advertised so much, chances are it would not be discovered/bothered, but there are opportunists out there that would like those wheels and whatever. I hope that doesn't happen. Too bad you can't get some friends to go out there and guard it (take turns/shifts). Maybe someone has an idea about how to protect it until you get back out there. Cover it with brush or whatever.

[Dustin]

I was wondering about that too...since its posted on like 3-4 boards.

I do know some people on that side of town that might be able to go in and check on it sometime during the week if needed

[FlexyXJ]

Okay, everyone.....We are MEETING at 7am. I would like to plan to pull out by 7:15 at the LATEST. We will be meeting at the Cottonwood Canyon entrance (off HWY 74, Mile marker 145.3) Bring plenty of water, shovels, garbage bags and recovery equipment. Thanks again for everyones help.


Joe
Absolute Offroad 602-248-8949

[azrocksyj93]

I'll be there.

[JamesT]

I want to be there..... that is kind of early and will be kind of cold (for us people with no top or heater). I will try.



Note to self: ask for some good gloves for Christmas.

[Hackle]

I want to be there..... that is kind of early and will be kind of cold (for us people with no top or heater). I will try.



Note to self: ask for some good gloves for Christmas.

Wimp!! I even have the windshield down. You don't hear me whining :D Plus I have to drive all the way from west Phoenix with the windshield down on the jeep.
Jim F.

[Woody]

Plus I have to drive all the way from west Phoenix with the windshield down on the jeep.
Jim F.

Ya, and I gotta drive all that way with no doors on my XJ.

Woody

[JamesT]

Wimp!! I even have the windshield down. You don't hear me whining :D Plus I have to drive all the way from west Phoenix with the windshield down on the jeep.
Jim F.

But you won't be in the Jeep, you will be in that nice diesel that has more power than any Dodge. ;) :D :D

[JamesT]

Ya, and I gotta drive all that way with no doors on my XJ.

Woody

You won't be in yours either, but you have to drive a Dodge, I will give you credit for that. LOL

[Hackle]

You won't be in yours either, but you have to drive a Dodge, I will give you credit for that. LOL

ROTFLMAO
Jim F.

[k7mto]

Some of us actually *will* be driving our rigs with no tops and/or heaters. Who's bringing the warm cider and hot chocolate?

[FlexyXJ]

You won't be in yours either, but you have to drive a Dodge, I will give you credit for that. LOL


Yeah, And this time I wont have to pull his junk too..... :D


Joe
Absolute Offroad 602-248-8949

[JamesT]

Yeah, And this time I wont have to pull his junk too..... :D


Joe
{edited out commercial}

I am in no way going to get into this.
I haven't been left stranded with my junk, YET.

Remember, it's all full and games, until someone gets an eye poked out. ;)

[RokNRich]

Hey, if anyone has a SWR meter can you bring it along and help me tweak my cb anntenna ? I will try to be at the meeting place a few minutes early, or we could do it later on.

Thanks,
Rich

[jeep4offrd]

Now you know I would'nt leave you out there all alone with those coyotes. :D
I am in no way going to get into this.
I haven't been left stranded with my junk, YET.

Remember, it's all full and games, until someone gets an eye poked out. ;)

[flxy_tj]

Hey, if anyone has a SWR meter can you bring it along and help me tweak my cb anntenna ? I will try to be at the meeting place a few minutes early, or we could do it later on.

Thanks,
Rich
I have a meter I'll bring it along tommorow. :D

[Lonnie]

Shucks now we won't be able to talk about you on the trail ;)
Lonnie

[FlexyXJ]

OK. Its still a "GO" for tomorrow. IF for some chance you get there and we have left......Head to Martinez Canyon. See everyone there!!!


Joe
Absolute Offroad 602-248-8949

[Hackle]

How do we tell if you have left or if you are late????
Will you leave a red flag on the post if you have left and a blue flag if you are late??
Sorry Flexy I could not resist.
Jim F.

[JamesT]

What a friggin mess the rain was.

We got it up, just about the time it started to rain, thank God.

Can't wait to see the pics. Eric is lucky he is alive or even seriously hurt. I am glad I could lend a hand, or winch as the case may be. Next time just pick a day it's not supposed to rain. (maybe it won't be raining for the BBQ since it started early, but my Jeep is in no shape to bring).

[Hackle]

I agree that was not the weather I expected. My seats are soaked and the YJ is in the garage still dripping water. I am not sitting in a soaking wet seat tomorrow:)
Give me a day or tw to get the video up on my web page. I am still new at this so do not expect to much edit work.
Jim F.

[FlexyXJ]

Bronco recovery: Sucsessful
weather report: Cold, Very cold....and wet.

It was a great turnout guys, thanks to all of those that braved the cold,wet weather and that AWFUL drive back to the trailers! I am sure that Eric is VERY appreciative. It just shows that when we get off these computers, we can all join together to help a fellow offroader out of a tight jam.


Joe
Absolute Offroad 602-248-8949

[k7mto]

I'll post a link to my pics shortly. It was loads of fun driving home in the open CJ, especially out those muddy roads. I was cold, wet and very tired when I got home.

[k7mto]

My pics...

http://community.webshots.com/album/227078857ssLAPA

[jeep4offrd]

Awesome pics Matt.
I sure am glad I decided to stay home. This flu I've been fighting all week, actually worked in my favor. Glad to see such a great turnout. I'd love to see a pic of James and Hackles rigs at the end of the day. :eek: Hey, were you guys able to get the bronco to fire?

[k7mto]

Hope you're feeling better soon, Bruce.

If their rigs look anything like mine, they'll be spending lots of time cleaning them up :D Mine hasn't been this wet and muddy since the last trip to TSF.

We didn't try to start the Bronco. The radiator had a hole from the fan and belts were busted, etc. Even if it could have started, the dash and steering column were so smashed down it wouldn't have been driveable.

What's awesome is that it sat upside down for a week and not a drop of fluid leaked. Nothing, nada, zip. I made a point of taking pics of the spot after it'd been winched upright and another shot looking down the hill after it was back up on the trail. Aside from the fresh dirt, it'd be difficult for anyone to know anything happened there at all.

[frog]

WOW!!! Great job guys, wish I coulda been there to help out, looks like you had your hands full. Glad to see everything came out ok, and from what I can see you left the area in great shape. Thanks for lookin out, you are wheelin hero's. :cool:

[Dustin]

Bronco recovery: Sucsessful
weather report: Cold, Very cold....and wet.



I wouldnt call it sucsessful since we have to go back out there again to finish getting it back home........I should have just been out there with my bronco instead of getting the trailer. I would have been able finish the job getting it to the pavement

[flxy_tj]

I wouldnt call it sucsessful since we have to go back out there again to finish getting it back home........I should have just been out there with my bronco instead of getting the trailer. I would have been able finish the job getting it to the pavement
I would still call it a good job done..... Even if you havce to go back and get it. I really did not feel it was a good idea to try and mess with towing the bronco down or up the rest of the trail with the weather going the way it was and considering we had two broncos with us they were both broke and jeeps dont have the power to muscle that thing around like it needs to be to get it out......Plus if something happened it would take any jeep hooked to it with it along for a ride... :eek:
J. Snowden

[JamesT]

Yeah, after going over the top, there was no way it was going to make it that way. It was way too muddy and wet. I couldn't hit the brakes on the way back down from the top, because the wheels started sliding out. So lockers on and tranny in first, I just let it roll.
Going back down would have been quite a chore if not impossible too.

[Linda]

After seeing the pictures posted all I can say is that Eric and his passenger were lucky that big rock ended up in the back seat.

Great Job!

[JamesT]

I am sitting here trying to figure you out. Below are the 2 quotes which I find confussing.

Dont know what you guys have planned for hauling it home after its out but I have a F250 and car hauler to get it home if needed.

If its not needed I will be out there helping anyway, no winich but my rig is pretty built and Im good with a strap.

.....I should have just been out there with my bronco instead of getting the trailer. I would have been able finish the job getting it to the pavement


There is no way a 4000#- Jeep is going to pull a 6000#+ Bronco out of that canyon. Everyone knew this, except the people that had the Broncos and all the Broncos had mechanical problems. It appears even you knew this.

I am not trying to flame anyone, but I sat in the rain and cold for about 2 hours while the rain poured down harder and we waited for someone to make a descission.

[Triple-XJ]

GREAT JOB GUYS :)

Now the owner of the Bronco should go out and buy a JEEP and put them Bronco Axles under it :D

[Hackle]

Videos are up! These are big files even though I broke them up into 3 files.
Videos (http://hacklesjeep.com/Friends.htm)
Jim F.

[jeep4offrd]

All I'm gettin is sound. No video. :(

[Dustin]

I am sitting here trying to figure you out. Below are the 2 quotes which I find confussing.

There is no way a 4000#- Jeep is going to pull a 6000#+ Bronco out of that canyon. Everyone knew this, except the people that had the Broncos and all the Broncos had mechanical problems. It appears even you knew this.

I am not trying to flame anyone, but I sat in the rain and cold for about 2 hours while the rain poured down harder and we waited for someone to make a descission.


I was under the assumption everything was handled as far as the extraction, and there were going to vehicles showing up prepared to get it out. my part was going to be showing up with a car hauler to pick it up once it was pack on pavement. I never got a call to come get it so I was never out there. If I would have known that it was only going to be winched to the top then left again, I could have gone with my bronco and towed it the rest of the way. granted the weather was ****ty so who knows how far it would have gotten but at least it would have been closer. I think we are going to go try and get it monday if the weather clears up

[k7mto]

Vids are working OK for me. I'm using Windows Media Player (Win XP). What media player are you using?

btw, the first vid shows me rigging up straps/cable to right the Bronco and vid 2 shows me wedging rocks under an anchor rig's tires. :rolleyes:

[Hackle]

I was under the assumption everything was handled as far as the extraction, and there were going to vehicles showing up prepared to get it out. my part was going to be showing up with a car hauler to pick it up once it was pack on pavement. I never got a call to come get it so I was never out there. If I would have known that it was only going to be winched to the top then left again, I could have gone with my bronco and towed it the rest of the way. granted the weather was ****ty so who knows how far it would have gotten but at least it would have been closer. I think we are going to go try and get it monday if the weather clears up

Dustin the weather changed a lot of the plans. Everyone was soaked and cold, both the haul out vehicles (Broncos) were broken. With the limited traction it was decided it was not safe to try with a light weight Jeep hauling that big thing. I agree with that call.
Jim F.

BTW Bruce update your Windows Media player. It will work then.

[jeep4offrd]

Opened it on my laptop, and worked fine. Great vids Jim.

[JamesT]

I can't get them to work on either computers. Why can't I just right click on them and do a "Save as" to my HD?

[SHNIPE]

looks like you guys had a lot of fun dispite the difficulties. Where is this canyon? i heard 74 meantioned. Is it up in the table mesa area? Its good to know that you guys are always willing to help when its needed. Hopefully i can make i out to help with the next stuck...well hopefully there wont be one but if there is... ah hell you get the picture.. :D

[k7mto]

It's Martinez Canyon which is in the Florence Junction area SE of Phoenix. One of the most scenic canyons I've been to so far.

Don't worry, you'll get your chance to do a rescue run soon enough. Just wait for Mookie to get back in town :rolleyes:

[FlexyXJ]

Dustin, You know, you have ALOT of F'in nerve saying crap like this on the bronco board....

"depends on the weather, its been raining all day and is supposed to tomarrow as well. we might try to get back there on monday with people that will accually stay until the job is complete"

For one thing, all of the people that were there HAD NEVER EVEN MET ERIC before I put the post up to help him...as a matter of fact, I had only met him about 6 hours before. With that being said, it sure seems that YOU are ungrateful for us helping HIM out. It was not "OUR" fault that the 2 vehicles that were brought to tow it out BROKE. At least Eric had some sense of safety. And you were not even there getting cold and wet. I guess it would have been to tough to bring YOUR winchless bronco out, towing the trailer then unhook it and help. :mad:


Joe
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[JamesT]

I kind of figured Dustin was that kind of a guy, SAD.....

I saw it in his posts that I quoted.

One of those kinds of guys that knows how to do it all, but just won't do it.
One of those kinds of guys that talks a big talk and has no action to back it up.

I tell you Dustin, if it was your rig and my Jeep was running good you might need some more winch help. Good thing it's not.

Eric on the other hand, is a humble person that seemed to respect the effort that was put out for him.

[FlexyXJ]

James, I agree with you, Eric was VERY thankful and considerate throught the whole thing. He realized the danger in saving something that was, for the most part, Junk. He realized that injuring someone or worse yet damaging something else to save some tires and wheels/axles, was just not worth it. Throughout the week I had talked to Eric, and he expressed his thanks MANY times.


Joe
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[DrunkenKyle]

lol...
I never knew that there could be "4 wheel drama"...good job on getting those guys out, and thanks for hstong the vids..THEY'RE GREAT

[Dustin]

I kind of figured Dustin was that kind of a guy, SAD.....

I saw it in his posts that I quoted.

One of those kinds of guys that knows how to do it all, but just won't do it.
One of those kinds of guys that talks a big talk and has no action to back it up.


all I can do is laugh at those statments, ask anyone that knows me and they will tell you differnt, in fact ask eric for that matter. I heard a much differnt story than seems to be being posted here which is leading to the statments Ive been posting. Im not going to waste my time going into it.

If you people knew me at all you would find out that not me at all. there was events that came up before saterday with my trailer so thats why I wasnet able to get out there on time, or like you said tow my truck out there and unhook it. I kept in touch with people the whole time so they knew what was going on so dont go assuming I was blowing the whole thing off. In fact Im taking time off of work thursday to go get erics bronco the rest of the way home so I dont want to hear **** about me not doing anything to help.

[ChrisK]

Dustin,
As an impartial obsever (I wasn't there so I can't tell either side of the story), you ARE coming accross as ingrateful. If it weren't for this group of people, that Bronco would still be at the bottom of the canyon. Now, It is better accessible for a proper, safe tow out. They did all that, without knowing Eric, within a week of the accident, without asking for any compensation at all. They could have just said "screw that Bronco, hope they get it out soon", but they didn't. Our group tries to pride itself on safe, environmentally friendly wheelers. We don't tear up the trails or the land around them and we don't do things that will endanger anyone in the group. This recovery showed all that. They brought the proper equipment out to properly recover the Bronco and any spilled fluids (luckily, there were none). They made a safety decision based on the environement (trail ahead) and the weather. Sure, they could have tried it, but there was a chance someone could have gotten hurt. Why risk it? Its just not worth it.

Anyways, just my $.02

Chris

[jeep4offrd]

These folks took time out to help a wheeler in need. They did what they felt safe to a point. And ended the recouvery for the day, with a plan in place to finish getting the vehicle back to safety.
To me. That would be the end of this story.
Then you spout off. Acting like they should have done this or that. When you wernt even there to back up your opinion. Then you reply saying. Thats not the way you heard the story.
What you did was challenge there efforts to help a fellow wheeler in need. Basicly calling them liars. Then you try to show off to your buddies on another list, by making false claims against a bunch of good folks that just wanted to help someone out. Then you come back here and try to tell us how great of a guy you are. You dont tell people how nice a person you are. You show them. That usualy makes me believer.
You should just quite before you piss more people off. Including the folks that think your a nice guy.

[Dustin]

I love how words get put in my mouth for me, accually pretty funny you people are getting all worked up about something so pity......I didnt once say that anyone was ungrateful for you guys helping out, ok so maybe I didnt come out and say it point blank, but kudos for the effort put together in such a short time for someone you didnt know.

anyway Im done here, I will post the outcome of thursdays recovery.

[OlneyJeeps]

Howcome you guy's didn't unstack all the rocks while trying to get it out, ? :D

Ok, that was a "statement" funny for those who know me. The problem is that (without clarification) it could easily be inferred to be ungrateful/overexpectant, something I have a little experience with (see:Mookie rescue). The key to the loading of the flamethrowers is evident in the statement:

"all I can do is laugh at those statments, ask anyone that knows me and they will tell you differnt"

Unfortunately, Dustin, NO ONE here knows you. Your statements, however, can speak volumes of your character. This is not to say I have, in the heat of a moment, stuck my foot (ankle, knee etc) in my mouth. I have, however, for those who "know" me, a long recovery from a severe head injury as a partial excuse. Because this is evident only to those who know me, I have really done a good job of presenting fodder for misportrayal of who I am. If it is a good representation of who you are, stick to your "guns", beat your chest and don't back off (unfortuneatly, it seems this is what you are doing).

Solution (what I try): Shut up, suck it up, and appologize. Use experience as evidence of how what you say can be (hopefully in your case) a misrepresentation (what you infer by the quoting and analysis of your posts) of who you really are.

FYI, in an obtuse way this is an appology to all those I have (and unfortuneatly may, unwhittingly, in the future (see http:\\headinjury.com) "attacked" in a misplaced release of aggression.

Merry Christmas!!!! dammit

[OlneyJeeps]

As a post script, just as I obliquly "reminded" Dustin how a person's comments can speak volumes of their character, so to reactions to a person's comments. Compassion is the hallmark is good character.

The knowlege that we (and our actions/reactions) all are largely a function of our past experiences (many of which we could not control) should lead a path to temperance of other's actions.

interpretation: If someone wants to stick their foot in their mouth, let's compationatly (oh god, did I say that??) point out their errors instead of labeling them and thereby pissing them off more.

Jerks will be Jerks; telling them that they are jerks does nothing.

Good people often make erroneous statements/actions. Point it out to them (you don't need to tell the rest of the world) and let it be period.

Although I have had some rather public disagreements with other VJC members, I still have yet to meet/converse with any I would consider "jerks" or "bad" (their opinions are just wrong and mine are right :D ), and would happily wheel with any of them.

Do this not just in the spirit of Christmas, but in the spirit of being a good person (which you dont need to tell the world, they will know by your action/lack of action).

off the stump
Merry Christmas

[Dustin]

Unfortunately, Dustin, NO ONE here knows you.

and thats why Im done here, I dont take back anything I said and frankly Im not worryed about what anyone here thinks about me. maybe we will meet on the trail one day then you will know me and know what Im talking about here.

[danno]

anyway Im done here, I will post the outcome of thursdays recovery.

If your done... then stay done... You may be nice on the trail... but in your posts you come off sounding a bit like an argumentative prick who just has to get the last word in...

I look forward to hearing back from you no earlier than Thursday.

[ChrisK]

If your done... then stay done... You may be nice on the trail... but in your posts you come off sounding a bit like an argumentative prick who just has to get the last word in...

I look forward to hearing back from you no earlier than Thursday.
But then wouldn't he be getting the last word in? :D

anyways, I'm closing this thread before it gets any more out of hand. The rescue is done far as we are concerned as they have not asked for any more help. The vehicle owner is happy with us but his buddies are not. Oh well. Time to move on.

Edit: I was asked to post the thread on the Bronco board for those interested in how this recovery finishes out. Here it is:

http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29431

Please do not go over there to continue the disagreement with Dustin.