Whiners!!!!!

[FlexyXJ]

So, Joe...having been a VERY active member of AZVJC for quite a few years here....One person gets butt hurt by my "Non politicly correct" Reply to a post about "stock Take off tires" and My reputation gets a hit??? I am here to tell you that is absolute BS. I am sorry that this board has gotten so controllable by crying little babies, who have skin as thick as tissue paper...But I guess his 16 posts in the last month are much more important than what I have done for this group.. So be it...Problem stated, and will most likely be deleted, due to its content. Let me repeat my self again, Joe...THIS IS BS.

Joe

[ChrisK]

So, Joe...having been a VERY active member of AZVJC for quite a few years here....One person gets butt hurt by my "Non politicly correct" Reply to a post about "stock Take off tires" and My reputation gets a hit??? I am here to tell you that is absolute BS. I am sorry that this board has gotten so controllable by crying little babies, who have skin as thick as tissue paper...But I guess his 16 posts in the last month are much more important than what I have done for this group.. So be it...Problem stated, and will most likely be deleted, due to its content. Let me repeat my self again, Joe...THIS IS BS.
Joe, just because you have been a member for quite a few years does not give you the right to do whatever you want here. Also, just because he only has 16 posts does not make him less of a member than you. He is just as much a part of this club as you and has the same rights as you.
We are trying to keep the for sale ads "clean" so those selling items can do so without having to defend what they are selling or the price. Posting your negative opinions may stear someone away from buying that item and that is not fair to the seller. If you feel their asking price is off base, please send them a private PM with a suggestion on what might be a better asking price. That is more productive and helpful to both the buyer and seller.

Joe's suggestion was merely to point out to people that if someone does act out of line in a post, that can be a detriment to them.

We will continue to remove negative opinions and chit chat from For Sale ads. Please use PMs for this.

As far as being whiners and this board being controlled by crybabies, we actually have to do very little moderation here. On the whole, this group acts pretty good. We will, however, respond to member complaints. Having thick skin has nothing to do with it. It is not a board requirement.

Edit: See, we didn't delete this thread like you thought we would.

Chris

[frog]

I think Joe (the flexy one) is scum as well. Does anyone have any experience with tar and feathers? Maybe we could chip in and buy him a Kia.

Just a question though, supposing said seller chooses not to take the productive and helpful advice from the PM about their asking price being too high, or the seller is out to fleece a fellow member. I for one would appreciate advice from someone "in the know" to keep me from getting burned. In the thread referenced here, the seller was representing his tires as "Not "stock" takeoffs."

Discount tire has them for $169 a tire, delivered to your door. Check out Tires.com, couldn't post the link.

169 X 5 = $845 minus $50 rebate currently = $795

These are 30.9" MTR's. Not "stock" takeoffs.

I will consider all offers though.

Thanks,
Rich

and then changed his story after flexys reply, suddenly they are stock take offs:

Do you enjoy hassling me ?

Yes, they are stock takeoffs, 31" MTR's, but yes stock. Normally it's considered bad form to jump into a for sale post unless u are interested.

Maybe we can start a new forum category, let's call it Joes forum to be an *** whenever he wants. ;)

See ya on the trail - :cool:

and then ended his post with what i percieved as a threat. (IMO)

Now I'm not saying Rich was trying to fleece anyone or that flexy aint a little rough around the edges, but if a post is blatantly misrepresenting a product I dont think the post bringing this to our attention should be deleted.

[ChrisK]

frog,
If that is the case (item being misrepresented) then the post should be reported to a moderator immediately. We can suspend the post until the matter is cleared up. That is the fair thing to do. It may just be a misunderstanding by either the seller or the person reporting the post.
As far as charging too much, that is between the seller and the buyer. As usual, they buyer should do their research before buying anything.If the seller chooses not to lower their price and no one buys the item, then so be it. They lose.

We are not here to be heavy handed. We let most stuff fly in the other forums.

[ChrisK]

I think Joe (the flexy one) is scum as well. Does anyone have any experience with tar and feathers? Maybe we could chip in and buy him a Kia.
Nah, I don't think he's that bad. Maybe we all just need to chip in to get him a Martha Stewart book on sensitivity. :D

[1BLKJP]

Nah, I don't think he's that bad. Maybe we all just need to chip in to get him a Martha Stewart book on sensitivity. :D

Does that book come with the chapters on how to get away with insider trading?

[ChrisK]

Does that book come with the chapters on how to get away with insider trading?
LOL!!!!!!!

[Jeepgurl]

Heyyyyy!!! You boys are scarin me!

...and I thought women had drama! lol :D

[Scout]

Only see one whiner around here ;)

[1BLKJP]

Yeah, I think that whole thing got a little blown out of proportion last night. It was kind of funny to read while it was happening though.

Shana, you know what happens when you get enough men together with their toys. Somebody's bound to argue about something.

[flxy_tj]

Honestly how cares ???????? Just go wheeling and deal with it........ :cool:

[Joe West]

Hi Joe,

The vBulletin "reputation" system is built into the software... it isn't something I invented. Clearly, when vBulletin developed their software, they felt the need to include some "self policing" capability... I can tell you; it wasn't at my request. I'm sure vBulletin included the system to allow board members to chastise other members for poor decorum.

This being said... I didn't give your reputation a hit, that is up to any individual member to decide; not me. Each member can take away reputation points for any reason... even if they don't like the color of your rig. ;)

Try to keep your posts constructive and I think you'll find no one bothers you. However... if you post something that anyone finds offensive; off come the points if they so desire (by the way... you can even take points from me if you don't like something I say).

All in all... I think it is a good system... I doubt you'll run into any issues.

Kind Regards,

Joe West


So, Joe...having been a VERY active member of AZVJC for quite a few years here....One person gets butt hurt by my "Non politicly correct" Reply to a post about "stock Take off tires" and My reputation gets a hit??? I am here to tell you that is absolute BS. I am sorry that this board has gotten so controllable by crying little babies, who have skin as thick as tissue paper...But I guess his 16 posts in the last month are much more important than what I have done for this group.. So be it...Problem stated, and will most likely be deleted, due to its content. Let me repeat my self again, Joe...THIS IS BS.

Joe

[jeepin_in_az]

So, Joe...having been a VERY active member of AZVJC for quite a few years here....One person gets butt hurt by my "Non politicly correct" Reply to a post about "stock Take off tires" and My reputation gets a hit??? I am here to tell you that is absolute BS. I am sorry that this board has gotten so controllable by crying little babies, who have skin as thick as tissue paper...But I guess his 16 posts in the last month are much more important than what I have done for this group.. So be it...Problem stated, and will most likely be deleted, due to its content. Let me repeat my self again, Joe...THIS IS BS.

Joe

Damn, I never knew Flexxy was a troll...
:D

Watch out, you might get banned for a week or two... :eek:

[FlexyXJ]

Damn, I never knew Flexxy was a troll...
:D

Watch out, you might get banned for a week or two... :eek:


Ummm..troll??? Not...BTW, Be careful, I have not decided if I like your post..... :D Hey, You still want that damn fairlead????

[Y2K-XJ]

Hey the Flexy Forum is a great Frickin idea!!!!
Ill be the first Member!!!! :)
I do nothing but bother and bug "the other jeepers" here anyway... Thats what I was told by The great Moderator Chris K which I might add.. Ive NEVER SEEN ON THE TRAILS!!!!!!!!!
Ive known Flexy for quite a while now and I feel that he is a great atribute to this site....
Oh well here I go Bugging the whole AZVTJC :D again
Bottom line = Drop it guys.. Theres a lot of trails out there, why dont you try some, it will make you feel better!!!!! :D I know Joe Flexy is on the trails almost every weekend....
Computers suck, People and Blondes are way overrated, Jeeps Rule!!! well square headlighted ones anyway :cool:

[OlneyJeeps]

Jeezsh! I go away to AK for a couple of weeks and stones start geting thrown around without me (personally I prefer other uses :rolleyes: ) and I miss the whole thing :eek:

[ChrisK]

Chris K which I might add.. Ive NEVER SEEN ON THE TRAILS!!!!!!!!!
That's the best you could come up with? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK everybody, please make sure you wheel with Y2K-XJ so you can be considered a REAL wheeler. :D

[frog]

That's the best you could come up with? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK everybody, please make sure you wheel with Y2K-XJ so you can be considered a REAL wheeler. :D

I saw Chris at Discount one time and bought some wheels from him. They had what appeared to be some rockrash on them but it could have been from curbs at the mall ;)

[ChrisK]

I saw Chris at Discount one time and bought some wheels from him. They had what appeared to be some rockrash on them but it could have been from curbs at the mall ;)
Hey man, those mall curbs are tough!!! Watch out for the speed bumps too!

[1BLKJP]

Hey man, those mall curbs are tough!!! Watch out for the speed bumps too!

Those speed bumps are what the winch is for right?

[frog]

Those speed bumps are what the winch is for right?

nope, lockers are for speedbumps newbie :p

[1BLKJP]

Oh, my bad. Guess i'll have to come by your friday night mall car show to see how all the mods are supposed to run. :D

[frog]

Oh, my bad. Guess i'll have to come by your friday night mall car show to see how all the mods are supposed to run. :D

8:00 every friday by Dillards ;)

[ChrisK]

nope, lockers are for speedbumps newbie :p
Yup. that's why I've got the ARB up front now. I USED to have to winch over the speed bumps when I had the limited slip in there. I never could get the brake modulation just right to get the LSD to engage properly.

[1BLKJP]

You know I am going to have to do something. I busted a control arm mount yesterday trying to get in my driveway. I knew I should've been at the Jeep 101 course.

[ChrisK]

You know I am going to have to do something. I busted a control arm mount yesterday trying to get in my driveway. I knew I should've been at the Jeep 101 course.
Now THAT'S what the winch is for!

[Y2K-XJ]

4 low and Locked all the way to the store Baby......
The little Red NOS button on the shifter is for the Speed bumps and the Driveway Climb :D

[FlexyXJ]

You know I am going to have to do something. I busted a control arm mount yesterday trying to get in my driveway. I knew I should've been at the Jeep 101 course.


YOU BROKE A TBT PART???? I thought only a bull in a china shop could do that....I guess you have been added to the Bull list.... :D

[DsrtJeeper]

YOU BROKE A TBT PART???? I thought only a bull in a china shop could do that....I guess you have been added to the Bull list.... :D

Hehehe...I knew Flexy would catch that! Somebody add a negative to his reputation quick! :D

[FlexyXJ]

Hehehe...I knew Flexy would catch that! Somebody add a negative to his reputation quick! :D


AND I saved the picture before it gets deleted..... :D That stuff is just so strong, I cant believe anyone broke it other than a bull in a china shop...:)

[DsrtJeeper]

AND I saved the picture before it gets deleted..... :D That stuff is just so strong, I cant believe anyone broke it other than a bull in a china shop...:)

Haha! Better add it to your scrap book! ;) I guess I better get my brackets reinforced because I sure don't want that mean Flexy dissin me. :)
Besides; you're not wheeling hard enough if you don't break something! :D

[1BLKJP]

Don't know what to say. Didn't think I was hard in the pedal. Hell it's probably related to something I did wrong when I installed it all.

[1BLKJP]

Yup, I was right. It was related to something that I did. The upper arms weren't out at the same lengths which was putting more stress on the one that broke. Guess I shouldn't have trusted the place where I had the full alignment done.

Kudo's to the boys at Troy's for fixing my issues. It'll be good to go when I get it back tomorrow.

[FlexyXJ]

Yup, I was right. It was related to something that I did. The upper arms weren't out at the same lengths which was putting more stress on the one that broke. .:rolleyes: Sounds like an ecuse right from the "great" one....explain to me how that is possible???? It's simple geometry.. You ......oh never mind....its like beatin a dead horse :rolleyes: So when you adjust for a caster split, you have one or more arms at different lengths.......never mind, I am going to bed.....

[Joe West]

The only way I can think of that you could load up a bracket is for example, if you set the top right hand side control arm is long, the bottom right hand control arm is short (effectively rotating the top of the axle forward) while AT THE SAME TIME setting the top left control arm short and the bottom left control arm long (effectively rotation the top of the axle rearward) this could put the brackets in a loaded condition (the axle housing would have a tortional load) such that any offroad use could a bracket off.

You'd REALLY have to work to get the axle in this configuration, and the errors would have to be extremely gross... but it is possible... highly unlikely... but possible.

I can't think of another way with 4 free floating mounts and 4 arms that you could bind the front axle.

Joe West


:rolleyes: Sounds like an ecuse right from the "great" one....explain to me how that is possible???? It's simple geometry.. You ......oh never mind....its like beatin a dead horse :rolleyes: So when you adjust for a caster split, you have one or more arms at different lengths.......never mind, I am going to bed.....

[FlexyXJ]

[QUOTE=oneblackjeep]Yup, I was right. It was related to something that I did. The upper arms weren't out at the same lengths which was putting more stress on the one that broke. Guess I shouldn't have trusted the place where I had the full alignment done.




To all of the engineer's here.....one question......How many points does it take to constrain a plane??

Joe

[JamesT]

To all of the engineer's here.....one question......How many points does it take to constrain a plane??

Joe

3


Do I win?????

[FlexyXJ]

3


Do I win?????

OK, A few more questions, then you might...:)

1) Does a 4 link suspension setup overconstrain the plane of the axle?

2) Will the front axle (in extreme situations) Act like/become a torsion bar, therefore tearing brackets/breaking links/arms?

3) Will an UNEQUAL length control arms (Stock uppers, long lowers) Compounded by being a 4 link tear brackets, break drivelines due to pinion change/torsion twist?

4) Can you name the manufacturers of the lift kits I just described???

[JamesT]

OK, A few more questions, then you might...:)

1) Does a 4 link suspension setup overconstrain the plane of the axle?

2) Will the front axle (in extreme situations) Act like/become a torsion bar, therefore tearing brackets/breaking links/arms?

3) Will an UNEQUAL length control arms (Stock uppers, long lowers) Compounded by being a 4 link tear brackets, break drivelines due to pinion change/torsion twist?

4) Can you name the manufacturers of the lift kits I just described???

Yes

Yes

Yes

Manufacturers? RE for one big time, but trully most all of them, except true 3 link setups. This is why 3 link setups flex so much better than 4 link systems, there is little to no binding. {edit} no over defining the plane, in a 3 link...

Now comeon do I win? :D

[weasel_ugs]

Isnt a 3 link actually a 4 link because of the track bar?Don :confused:

[ChrisK]

Isnt a 3 link actually a 4 link because of the track bar?Don :confused:
Nope. With a setup like the RockKrawler front suspension, you have 2 lower control arms and the trackbar. 3 links. One of the lower control arm has another sub arm coming off it that connects to the top of the axle. This does not, however, make it another link because it is not an entirely seperate link. It is part of an existing link. It could be welded to the lower arm to truly make it all one link, but bolting makes it adjustable.

[weasel_ugs]

Can you remove one of the upper control arms on the stock 4 link setup and have everything work normally then? Don

[ChrisK]

Can you remove one of the upper control arms on the stock 4 link setup and have everything work normally then?
I've always thought you could. Others have said no. Not sure why not.

[FlexyXJ]

Nope. With a setup like the RockKrawler front suspension, you have 2 lower control arms and the trackbar. 3 links. One of the lower control arm has another sub arm coming off it that connects to the top of the axle. This does not, however, make it another link because it is not an entirely seperate link. It is part of an existing link. It could be welded to the lower arm to truly make it all one link, but bolting makes it adjustable.


Chris, That design has been changed. I had one of the prototype setups almost 8 months ago with the new upper arm, and in my opinion, it works smoother, quieter, and more of a controlled axle movement....Besides, 99% of the people who had the old setup could not weld, therefore the bracket broke off of the Axle...It is now going from a bracket on the frame/unibody to the factory cast diff mount with a rebuildable joint.....

[FlexyXJ]

I've always thought you could. Others have said no. Not sure why not.

I know several people who have removed the upper pass side arm off of their RE kits and ended up leaving them off.... However some people are still holding the " I put it back on for driving on the street, incase on of my links break, I can still drive" STUPID....Just plain stooooooopid.... BTW, with everyone that gave me a hard time about the 3 link holding up (for the last 3 years) INCLUDING troy.....I seemed to notice a upper link MISSING from his OWN jeep in moab......hmmmm????????? :rolleyes: :confused: :confused:


Joe

[Y2K-XJ]

Now im no expert "thats for sure".. But it just doesn't sound right to be taking an upper arm out of any kind of system..... Maybe for strictly competetion don't care if it breaks,must get maximum flex situations. then put it on the trailer and go home.. I dont know! and Im way outta my league on this one.. Just gotta throw in my 3 cents always LOL :D

[jeepin_in_az]

Hey the Flexy Forum is a great Frickin idea!!!!
Ill be the first Member!!!! :)
I do nothing but bother and bug "the other jeepers" here anyway... Thats what I was told by The great Moderator Chris K which I might add.. Ive NEVER SEEN ON THE TRAILS!!!!!!!!!
Ive known Flexy for quite a while now and I feel that he is a great atribute to this site....
Oh well here I go Bugging the whole AZVTJC :D again
Bottom line = Drop it guys.. Theres a lot of trails out there, why dont you try some, it will make you feel better!!!!! :D I know Joe Flexy is on the trails almost every weekend....
Computers suck, People and Blondes are way overrated, Jeeps Rule!!! well square headlighted ones anyway :cool:


And you are going to be the president of a new off road club....? What's it called again?

[1BLKJP]

So Flexy, I don't claim to know anything about front ends as I am still new to the game. I do know that the arms are now ran in all the way and I am having DW issues.

My question is, for proper castor do the uppers have to be forward of the lowers? Everything else being constant before I had the bracket fixed and had no issues prior.

[ChrisK]

It is now going from a bracket on the frame/unibody to the factory cast diff mount with a rebuildable joint.....
So it is now a 4 link setup for those who are keeping score.

2 lower links
1 upper link
1 trackbar

Still a good way to go. No trying to twist the axle housing itself so there is not as much stress on the brackets.

[DsrtJeeper]

So Flexy, I don't claim to know anything about front ends as I am still new to the game. I do know that the arms are now ran in all the way and I am having DW issues.

My question is, for proper castor do the uppers have to be forward of the lowers? Everything else being constant before I had the bracket fixed and had no issues prior.

Sounds familiar; Jack. I'm having wobble issues as well. Sometimes I think the guys at TBT think i'm crazy :eek: , but i've definately noticed some problems after this lift. I'm suffering a wobble also and it continues to get worse. My arms were supposedly set up when I brought the Jeep in for the steering install. I now found out my caster is over 8* positive. It should be 4-5* positive. I suspect this may be your problem as well along with your Currie steering setup. I'm bringing my Jeep into Mike on Tuesday to show them the problem. I also have mucho slop in my rear cartridge joint that fastens to the truss over the diff. It's causing quite the backlash during shifting. (Pinion rotates upward, cartridge joint gives and the rear truss flexes.) This causes driveline slack that is taken up during accelleration with a BANG! This really became magnified with the 37" tires as I also run a Detroit in the rear.
On a good note; TBT has been pretty good about seeing to my problems. Local support is a big plus.

[Y2K-XJ]

WOW! That was sooo 3 pages ago Mike ! LOL Chris and I have settled our little dispute.... Thanks though..
uhhhh Yep.... Going to be? I am!

And I think I'll stick with my rear Leaf springs.... :D
Too much Geometry !

[FlexyXJ]

So it is now a 4 link setup for those who are keeping score.

2 lower links
1 upper link
1 trackbar

Still a good way to go. No trying to twist the axle housing itself so there is not as much stress on the brackets.


Track bar supports the axle in a different plane.... :rolleyes: C'mon James Towle, help me out here.... Chris, You didnt fail geometry did you???? :D

[FlexyXJ]

Sounds familiar; Jack. I'm having wobble issues as well. Sometimes I think the guys at TBT think i'm crazy :eek: , but i've definately noticed some problems after this lift. I'm suffering a wobble also and it continues to get worse. My arms were supposedly set up when I brought the Jeep in for the steering install. I now found out my caster is over 8* positive. It should be 4-5* positive. I suspect this may be your problem as well along with your Currie steering setup. I'm bringing my Jeep into Mike on Tuesday to show them the problem. I also have mucho slop in my rear cartridge joint that fastens to the truss over the diff. It's causing quite the backlash during shifting. (Pinion rotates upward, cartridge joint gives and the rear truss flexes.) This causes driveline slack that is taken up during accelleration with a BANG! This really became magnified with the 37" tires as I also run a Detroit in the rear.
On a good note; TBT has been pretty good about seeing to my problems. Local support is a big plus.




:eek: :eek: :eek: Tell me its not so!!! All of that $$$ you spent to go from "stock to POP"... you must be the proverbial bull in a china shop that I always hear troy talk about....welcome to the growing list!!! :eek:

[DsrtJeeper]

:eek: :eek: :eek: Tell me its not so!!! All of that $$$ you spent to go from "stock to POP"... you must be the proverbial bull in a china shop that I always hear troy talk about....welcome to the growing list!!! :eek:

Hehe....You're right! One of my buddies told Troy I was hard on my equipment and I never heard the end of it. I'm actually very conservative on the go pedal, but I refuse to take bypasses on the trail. No fun in that! ;)
Now Frog is hard on his equipment! ;)

[1BLKJP]

Yeah, Eric I see where we could be having the same problems. I am also hearing sound like that in the rear. I thought it my be the CV binding. I have only noticed it since it was in there.

I hear you on them being good about looking it over, but you live right there and I am in Awhatukee so I have an issue with having to take it up there. I need it to be right and it was more so when I left it there then when I picked it up. I have a noticeable castor problem now, but don't know enough about it to fix it my self.

So for the moment until I decide whether to take it up there or figure out to fix it my self, I have been staying away from DW causing bumps.

Oh, and it is also around 3 am so I hope I am making sense. just got home for the evening.

[DsrtJeeper]

Yeah, Eric I see where we could be having the same problems. I am also hearing sound like that in the rear. I thought it my be the CV binding. I have only noticed it since it was in there.

I hear you on them being good about looking it over, but you live right there and I am in Awhatukee so I have an issue with having to take it up there. I need it to be right and it was more so when I left it there then when I picked it up. I have a noticeable castor problem now, but don't know enough about it to fix it my self.

So for the moment until I decide whether to take it up there or figure out to fix it my self, I have been staying away from DW causing bumps.

Oh, and it is also around 3 am so I hope I am making sense. just got home for the evening.

Jack;
You are welcome to bring it over here and i'll show you what to do on your caster problem. I received some good schooling last night from Doslocos. He actually found the slop in my rear cartridge joint. (Thanks Bill..)

[FlexyXJ]

Hehe....You're right! One of my buddies told Troy I was hard on my equipment and I never heard the end of it. I'm actually very conservative on the go pedal, but I refuse to take bypasses on the trail. No fun in that! ;)
Now Frog is hard on his equipment! ;) Eric, I have found the problem that you and "oneblackjeep" are having....Its either , A) The grade 5 bolt thats welded to the joint casing, OR B), The wheel stud thats welded to the joint casing...OR C) The rear over the axle arm mount that is mounted to the sway bar mounts/ stock upper control arm mounts with a piece of DOM thrown in for a spacer.....OR D) The bracket that has a bolt welded to it and the stock track bar mount.... Now these are just guesses, but I am trying to help you figure out your problem. BTW, These pictures came off of Stu's site, which I got to from troy's link. So they should be accurate pictures. Hope this helps.

[DsrtJeeper]

Eric, I have found the problem that you and "oneblackjeep" are having....Its either , A) The grade 5 bolt thats welded to the joint casing, OR B), The wheel stud thats welded to the joint casing...OR C) The rear over the axle arm mount that is mounted to the sway bar mounts/ stock upper control arm mounts with a piece of DOM thrown in for a spacer.....OR D) The bracket that has a bolt welded to it and the stock track bar mount.... Now these are just guesses, but I am trying to help you figure out your problem. BTW, These pictures came off of Stu's site, which I got to from troy's link. So they should be accurate pictures. Hope this helps.

Thanks Joe! We can rule out the track bar bracket on mine. I use Troy's X-over steering with the heavy duty RE frame bracket. The shimmy definately feels like it's in front and wiggles the steering wheel back and forth. We did find out that the rear cartridge joint for the wishbone above the rear diff, is bad. Full of slop. That is being replaced tomarrow by Troy's mechanic under warranty. What's weird is that the wobble started after installing 37" tires and aluminum rims. I previously had 35's. Rick Beer has balanced my tires twice and rotated once with no improvement in wobble. I don't quite read you on the bolts welded to the cartridge joints. I've drove other TBT lifted Jeeps and they have no wobble. I take it you looked at Jack's Jeep today? He actually has death wobble where mine is just an irritating wobble around 45 mph that goes away on it's own. It happens on acceleration and decelleration from 45 down. I know i'm asking alot out of the TJ platform by installing an 8" lift. I just want to tweak it the best I can. :)

[1BLKJP]

Nope, haven't taken mine anywhere yet. Flexy Stu's was one of the first installs that were done and a lot has changed since then. There is now another piece that mounts to the rear bracket to make it even stiffer than before. And we are using larger joints than before and look nothing like what is in the picture.

My current issue is stemming from the upper arms being ran all the way in. As you know causing some castor issues. I don't think that I have any exploded joints yet. I have been greasing them as much as possible.

[ChrisK]

Track bar supports the axle in a different plane.... :rolleyes: C'mon James Towle, help me out here.... Chris, You didnt fail geometry did you???? :D
Still makes it a 4 link. Just because it is in a different plane makes no difference. It is still considered a link because it locates (links) the front axle relative to the frame.

The stock TJ setup is a 5 link.

[JamesT]

What is the caster set at? You haven't mentioned any numbers. How do your numbers compare with Stu's, since he doesn't seem to have the problems.

Is there any play in the trac bar mounts? Do you have any pics of the trac bar mounts? Something doesn't seem right to me about the trac bar mounts, I need to see more pics.

The problem could be that trac bar was fine with the sideways torque of a 35 and is not okay with the sideways torque created by a 37.

[DsrtJeeper]

I started out with almost 10* of positive caster after the lift. Now i'm at 5.5*. The caster adjustment made the Jeep drive much better down the road, but did not affect the wobble. As far as the track bar mount; it seems to work great on other TBT rigs with 37's. I'll see about getting some pics up. Thanks!

[DsrtJeeper]

Here's a link to a pic of my front end. The bracket on right is the RE heavy duty frame bracket.
Jeep (http://community.webshots.com/user/dsrtjeeper)