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6743 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 5:13am
Subject: Re: Warn full floater kit
Steve
Is yours an older kit? The newer ones have a mod with allen set screws in the dials to lock them in place. They will exchange them out if you are having problems popping out. As far as engaging, some times you have to drive in a tight circle to get one side to lock in after you lock the other. I have an explanation sheet that came with my kit if you need a copy.
Bob
Steve Ruppert wrote:
I installed a Warn full-floater axle kit in my AMC20.Have problem with
the hubs not engaging all the time and popping out sometimes. Anyone
have any ideas or maybe a recall on the hubs? Steve
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6744 From: Andrew F. Mason <afmason@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:01pm
Subject: What runs are happening this weekend???
I have seen a flurry of email messages about possible funs to Crown King,
FR42 and the White Tank mountains, which of these if any is happening this
weekend, and what are the departure details.
Thanks
Andy & Tina Mason
Black 99TJ
6745 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 5:42am
Subject: Broken Arrow this weekend
James,
It doesnt appear I will be able to go this weekend afterall lI got to
work.....too much cr-p going on this week. sorry I owe you one!
maybe there iss ssomeone else interested in going with you on saturday
Brian Harmon
88 XXJ
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6747 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 8:26am
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
So you're saying with the 350 Chevy that it takes less cubes to make
more torque (Doing it this way, a lower number is better), which is a
good thing. A better way to compare this is to divide torque by CI
(ft-lbs per CI) Then, the higher the number the better.
220/242 = .909 ft-lbs/ci
210/258 = .814 ft-lbs/ci
330/350 = .943 ft-lbs/ci
If we used the ft-lbs/CI of the 258 and wanted to get as much as the
350 then we would need a 405 CI Engine. If we used the ft-lbs/CI of the
4.0L and wanted to get as much as the 350 then we would need a 363 CI
Engine. Grant it, the 4.0L is close to the 350, you have to look at
where it makes its power: 4000 RPM. Last time I went 4 Wheeling, I
don't think I revved above 3000 (probably closer to 2500). I'd much
rather Idle over a boulder than to have to blast it because my engine
doesn't make enough power at lower RPMs.
The other thing about the Chevy 350, is that it makes alot of torque at
idle. I don't have the chart anymore, but I believe it makes about 200
ft-lbs of torque at 700 RPM. And it doesn't make less than 200 ft-lbs
of torque until it nears redline. Which means for nearly it entire
powerband it makes equal to or more torque than the 4.0L and the 258 do
at thier peaks.
The other thing to look at is the availability of parts, you can spend
less and improve more with the 350 than you can with just about any
other engine out there.
If you really want alot of torque (and broken drive train parts) slide
in a 510 CI Chevy Crate motor. Then you'll get about 500 ft-lbs of
torque (or more) and it will cost alot less (about $85,000 less) than
going with a Viper V-10 swap. :)
- Mike
"jesus chio" <jchi-@a...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6732
> Hey Larry, if we do some math...
>
> the 4.0l (242 MPI) produces 220ftlbs of torque at 4000rpms.
> the 4.2l (258 I6) produces 210ft lbs of torque at 2000rpms.
> the 5.7l (350 TBI) produces 330ftlbs of torque at 3000 rpms.242/220 =
1.1 cubic inch per lbs of torque
> 258/210 = 1.228
> 350/330 = 1.06
>
> >
> And please, don't compare a 95 TBI 350 vs a 80 carb 258 engine man,
of course your 350 will blow a 258 engine...
>
> I just mean the 350 is not the best ever made engine, its not even
close to...
>
>
>
> And remember crawling even on 100:1 @ 3000 rpm is not as great as
crawling @ 2000 or 1900 rpm, and at those rpm the 258 and the 350 must
have the same or 20+/- lbs torque...
>
> As I said, my opinion
>
>
> Jesus Chio
> Editor of www.alloffroad.com
> "If its to be, is up to me"
> ICQ # 18428174
>
>
>
> The stock 1995 350 TBI going in my CJ7 has has torque ratings that
will blow away a 4.0 and are equal with the 258 throughout its
powerband but continues on after the 258 has peaked.
>
> the 4.0l (242 MPI) produces 220ftlbs of torque at 4000rpms.
> the 4.2l (258 I6) produces 210ft lbs of torque at 2000rpms.
> the 5.7l (350 TBI) produces 330ftlbs of torque at 3000 rpms.
>
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jesus Chio
> To: Mike
> Cc: az_vjc@m...
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:58 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: How to get more HP?
>
>
> Well, my humble opinion....
>
> I have a CJ7, and about a year ago, I got a Brand new 350 Carb
Engine, paid around $2000 for it. After using the 258, I just couldn't
take it off.! Its a good trail engine, It wont ever give you the HP
and torque a Big Small Block V8 will throw....
>
> Well, to be brief, I'm keeping the 350 for a Rock Buggy, and
decided to work on the 258, and this is what I have done to it:
>
> Chevy 6L HEi Ignition
> 4BBL offenhouser Intake
> 390cfm Holley Carburetor (invested around $100 to make it work
great on slopes, still not perfect)
> K & N Air filter
> About to install a new camshaft and a new double timing chain
> Aluminium head cover
> Bored the engine too...
>
>
> With this all, the engine works way better than any other I have
seen...
>
> To be true, I had been a Chevy fan since I can remember, the 350
is a good engine, but its has not the best HP/torque/ci relation... I
like a lot more the 302 or even the 351w (which is called the best v8
ever made, don't ask why =) )
>
> Maybe I'm not being clear, its just IMO that is worth to five a
try to the 258...
>
> Feel free to ask anything, I'm glad to help.!
>
>
>
6748 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:15am
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
WE HAVE A NEW WINNER.....I do believe the "how to get more HP" thread has
surpassed the "water leak" thread in numbers....and I don't just mean all
the numbers in the messages...which btw, are mostly greek to me....although
I'm beginning to get it..... :)
TJ
75 CJ (The Money Pit)
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6749 From: Melinda Zabritski <mzabritski1@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 9:30am
Subject: Goodbye All
Well, it seems my 4-wheelin' days in Arizona are over, my last day in
the state in March 28th as I'm moving to Atlanta, GA.
Just wanted to thank everyone for all your help! I've learned a great
deal about my Jeep, my driving capabilities and the state. I've had a
blast!
Bye to All,
Melinda Zabritski
97 TJ
6750 From: UF_RULZ <Scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 11:01am
Subject: Re: Goodbye All
Hey Melinda,
Do you have time in your schedule for one last run? I think it would be
appropriate to have a goodbye run for you. You could even pick the trail
:-)
Take care!
----- Original Message -----
From: Melinda Zabritski <mzabritski1@e...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:30 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Goodbye All
> Well, it seems my 4-wheelin' days in Arizona are over, my last day in
> the state in March 28th as I'm moving to Atlanta, GA.
> Just wanted to thank everyone for all your help! I've learned a great
> deal about my Jeep, my driving capabilities and the state. I've had a
> blast!
>
> Bye to All,
>
> Melinda Zabritski
> 97 TJ
>
>
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6751 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 11:18am
Subject: Re: Goodbye All
Melinda,
Good luck in Atlanta! I know we only did one run together, the snow run
above Superior before you had tires on that Jeep, but it looks like
you've learned what's important:
- Have fun with your Jeep, make new friends and force them to endure
your Jeep tales, and come back to do it again!
If your job ever brings you back out this way, you know the meeting
place, so don't hesitate to ask where the next run is.
Jim Yucca-man@j...
Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://azvjc.web.com
89 Cherokee 73 CJ5 (RIP)
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:30:00 -0800 "Melinda Zabritski"
<mzabritski1@e...> writes:
> Well, it seems my 4-wheelin' days in Arizona are over, my last day in
> the state in March 28th as I'm moving to Atlanta, GA.
> Just wanted to thank everyone for all your help! I've learned a
> great
> deal about my Jeep, my driving capabilities and the state. I've had
> a
> blast!
>
> Bye to All,
>
> Melinda Zabritski
> 97 TJ
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6752 From: <Joeyhart4d@a...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 7:35am
Subject: crown king on saturday
Is the sat run still on? if so is there a direct route from 83rd ave and
union hills. if not i would like to run into you at the trailhead.
tim
97 tj
6753 From: Gary Schrock <climbingfool@c...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 1:35pm
Subject: TJ Extended Brakelines
I am new to this, so if I am not following correct posting procedure,
please let me know.
First, what a great find the AZVJC is!!! What a resource!!!
Second, I have a 98 TJ, which I am really liking. I have lifted it 2"
with spring spacers plus 2" of body lift. I have 33 x 12.50's, which
seem to be just right. I have added swaybar disconnects (MANDATORY!!!),
but now I need to extend my soft brakelines. Has anyone already been
through this, and if so, what brakelines were used?
Thanks for any help.
Gary Schrock
climbingfool@c...
'98 TJ Chili Pepper w/ Black tops
6754 From: <shrdrbabe@u...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 6:48am
Subject: Re: [ Goodbye All]
Come on Melinda!! I know you can squeeze in one more run before you leave!!
"UF_RULZ" <Scoopman_2000@y...> wrote:
Hey Melinda,
Do you have time in your schedule for one last run? I think it would be
appropriate to have a goodbye run for you. You could even pick the trail
:-)
Take care!
----- Original Message -----
From: Melinda Zabritski <mzabritski1@e...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:30 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Goodbye All
> Well, it seems my 4-wheelin' days in Arizona are over, my last day in
> the state in March 28th as I'm moving to Atlanta, GA.
> Just wanted to thank everyone for all your help! I've learned a great
> deal about my Jeep, my driving capabilities and the state. I've had a
> blast!
>
> Bye to All,
>
> Melinda Zabritski
> 97 TJ
>
>
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6755 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 1:50pm
Subject: Re: TJ Extended Brakelines
I recently did this on my CJ. I used the SuperLift kit ($110 for both
sides) and I was not happy with the quality. The first set I was given
was very poorly machined, they had large groves in the machined
surface. I Installed them without really looking very closely and they
leaked very badly and squirted brake fluid when I stepped on the brakes.
I took them back off and got new ones (no hassles from 4Wheeler Supply,
they saw how bad they were). The new ones still had minor grooves, but
they do seal properly (no leaks). I was much more impressed with the
ones my brother put on his Jeep. I don't remember who manufactured
them, but I do know that they were cheaper ($120 for 3 brake lines, 2
front, 1 rear) and looked to be a higher quality (built right the first
time). I do know that he had to order his from a catalog, and that
4Wheeler Supply did not carry them (I asked).
Other than that, installation is easy, make sure you have brake fluid
handy, and an oil pan to catch the brake fluid. Once you're done,
bleed the brakes.
Hope this helps,
- Mike Chatfield
"gary schrock" <climbingfoo-@c...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6753
> I am new to this, so if I am not following correct posting procedure,
> please let me know.
> First, what a great find the AZVJC is!!! What a resource!!!
> Second, I have a 98 TJ, which I am really liking. I have lifted it 2"
> with spring spacers plus 2" of body lift. I have 33 x 12.50's, which
> seem to be just right. I have added swaybar disconnects
(MANDATORY!!!),
> but now I need to extend my soft brakelines. Has anyone already been
> through this, and if so, what brakelines were used?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Gary Schrock
> climbingfool@c...
> '98 TJ Chili Pepper w/ Black tops
>
6756 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:20pm
Subject: Re: TJ Extended Brakelines
Rubicon Express will sell you the extended lines they use in their kits.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Schrock <climbingfool@c...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 2:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ Extended Brakelines
> I am new to this, so if I am not following correct posting procedure,
> please let me know.
> First, what a great find the AZVJC is!!! What a resource!!!
> Second, I have a 98 TJ, which I am really liking. I have lifted it 2"
> with spring spacers plus 2" of body lift. I have 33 x 12.50's, which
> seem to be just right. I have added swaybar disconnects (MANDATORY!!!),
> but now I need to extend my soft brakelines. Has anyone already been
> through this, and if so, what brakelines were used?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Gary Schrock
> climbingfool@c...
> '98 TJ Chili Pepper w/ Black tops
>
>
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6757 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:13pm
Subject: Re: TJ Extended Brakelines
You did fine! Welcome to the group. We are fairly loose knit so there are few rules. Post what you want pertaining to Jeeps, rides and roads and join the fun. It really is a great group and has made my Jeep time the best time that I have. (And, I do have a life!) If you want AZVJC decals to put on your rig, instructions are in the classified section of the eGroups site.
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At 01:35 PM 3/17/2000 -0800, Gary Schrock wrote:
I am new to this, so if I am not following correct posting procedure,
please let me know.
First, what a great find the AZVJC is!!! What a resource!!!
Second, I have a 98 TJ, which I am really liking. I have lifted it 2"
with spring spacers plus 2" of body lift. I have 33 x 12.50's, which
seem to be just right. I have added swaybar disconnects (MANDATORY!!!),
but now I need to extend my soft brakelines. Has anyone already been
through this, and if so, what brakelines were used?
Thanks for any help.
Gary Schrock
climbingfool@cliffhanger.com
'98 TJ Chili Pepper w/ Black tops
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480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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6758 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:15pm
Subject: Saturday
Andy, I was waiting to see if anything came up Sat also. It doesn't look
like it so I am going for a short run on a trail off Butcher Jones and
before the Coves. A friend of Billy Ayle pointed it out to me and, although
short, looks like it might be fun.
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
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6759 From: Randy Davis <davisrandy2@n...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 6:33am
Subject: Re: [ TJ Extended Brakelines]
HI It,s Randy I Just Did This Today I Got My Kit At Desert Rat It,s Made By Russell And My Three Line Kit Only Cost Me $85.00 For My 90 YJ And It Is Easy To Do!
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6760 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:56pm
Subject: Re: TJ Extended Brakelines
Rubicon Express, I believe those are the ones my brother used. Good
stuff.
- Mike Chatfield
"larry maggio" <lmaggi-@p...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6756
> Rubicon Express will sell you the extended lines they use in their
kits.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Schrock <climbingfool@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 2:35 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] TJ Extended Brakelines
>
>
> > I am new to this, so if I am not following correct posting
procedure,
> > please let me know.
> > First, what a great find the AZVJC is!!! What a resource!!!
> > Second, I have a 98 TJ, which I am really liking. I have lifted it
2"
> > with spring spacers plus 2" of body lift. I have 33 x 12.50's, which
> > seem to be just right. I have added swaybar disconnects
(MANDATORY!!!),
> > but now I need to extend my soft brakelines. Has anyone already been
> > through this, and if so, what brakelines were used?
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> > Gary Schrock
> > climbingfool@c...
> > '98 TJ Chili Pepper w/ Black tops
> >
> >
6761 From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 3:19pm
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Jesus,
If it's not too hard to describe in an email, what kind of things did you do to your Holley carb to get it work better on slopes? I have a Holley on the 258 in my 87 Wrangler (need to to check the model) that runs great in most situations. If there are some tweaks though to help, note I did not say eliminate :-), the stalling on steep inclines, I'd really appreciate your advice.
GIA (gracias in advance!),
Tom Jacobson
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesus Chio [mailto:jchio@alloffroad.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:59 AM
To: Mike
Cc: az_vjc@makelist.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Well, my humble opinion....
I have a CJ7, and about a year ago, I got a Brand new 350 Carb Engine, paid around $2000 for it. After using the 258, I just couldn't take it off.! Its a good trail engine, It wont ever give you the HP and torque a Big Small Block V8 will throw....
Well, to be brief, I'm keeping the 350 for a Rock Buggy, and decided to work on the 258, and this is what I have done to it:
Chevy 6L HEi Ignition
4BBL offenhouser Intake
390cfm Holley Carburetor (invested around $100 to make it work great on slopes, still not perfect)
K & N Air filter
About to install a new camshaft and a new double timing chain
Aluminium head cover
Bored the engine too...
With this all, the engine works way better than any other I have seen...
To be true, I had been a Chevy fan since I can remember, the 350 is a good engine, but its has not the best HP/torque/ci relation... I like a lot more the 302 or even the 351w (which is called the best v8 ever made, don't ask why =) )
Maybe I'm not being clear, its just IMO that is worth to five a try to the 258...
Feel free to ask anything, I'm glad to help.!
Jesus Chio
Editor of www.alloffroad.com
"If its to be, is up to me"
ICQ # 18428174
If youre considering spending $3000 on a SuperCharger/TurboCharger, then a V-8 engine swap makes a lot more sense. My Jeep originally came with the I6 258, which I believe is virtually the same as the engine in the TJs now (just has a longer stroke). I wanted to swap to a V-8 because of the loss of horsepower at high altitudes (Colorado). The important thing for Az emissions is that you have the same equipment on your V-8 as would be comparable to a SUV that came with a V-8 of the same model year. You can do an engine swap for less than $3000, by purchasing a used engine complete from a wrecking yard. Or you can look at buying a new crate engine from ChevyParts (http://www.chevyparts.com/) depending on the engine you buy, it could be anywhere from $2000 and up, but it will be a brand new, never run engine with a warrantee (not sure of the conditions or length though). There are tons of parts available for hooking up a Chevy V-8 to a Jeep, fairly easy, if you have a standard, with an auto theres a lot more involved. Im running a stock 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears in my CJ, and it will just chug away on the trail, sometimes its idling so slow over rocks that Im surprised it doesnt flame out.
Hope this helps, good luck,
: [az_vjc] FW: How to get more HP?
Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
me.
Well, the TJ is the right height now.
Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except when we go to
the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
I've been adding lately).
I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires, but I need
some recommendations for horsepower.
Here are the options I have been considering:
SVI Supercharger kit
Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
V-8 swap
What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is comparable in
cost to the turbo or supercharger.
I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
improve power for towing.
I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
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6762 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 3:24pm
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
Did he just say all those numbers are mostly Geek to him........?
All of a sudden, we are beating every horse through the gate to DEATH!!!!!!!
WILDCAT
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----- Original Message -----
From: T.J. Nosmo-King
To: mike.chatfield@rez.com ; az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: How to get more HP?
WE HAVE A NEW WINNER.....I do believe the "how to get more HP" thread has
surpassed the "water leak" thread in numbers....and I don't just mean all
the numbers in the messages...which btw, are mostly greek to me....although
I'm beginning to get it..... :)
TJ
75 CJ (The Money Pit)
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6763 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 4:39pm
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
Agreed !
Now that we have that 258 vs V8 arguement out of our systems, I was over at Hesco's web site. I do like the Stroker kit. Their site is rather lacking in details though. Any ideas on performance numbers on that? The big problem I see with that is that option is that it requires a complete engine rebuild. The down time for that would be quite a bit. They also have a supercharger, but it is $600 more than the others and I'm not sure how it bolts on. I sent them an email with some questions, but have not heard back yet.
Someone mentioned the Rimmer supercharger, but thought he had heard bad things about them. I tried to go to their site today, but it is no longer there. A bad sign I think.
I know that a V8 swap (PLEASE don't start the arguements again) is not a quick thing either. I guess my biggest concern is swapping a V8 in to a modern vehicle and keeping it legal. I had thought abought trying to find a wrecked Grand Cherokee and swapping the engine and systems from that, but I'm not sure if it is possible to graft the 2 systems together that easily.
Maybe I'm just getting in too far over my head with the V8 swap. Any real-world experiences with newer vehicle swaps? Please send them to me directly if you think it will start another engine vs engine war.
From: "William Mish"
Organization: Wildcat Off Road
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:24:56 -0700
To: "T.J. Nosmo-King" , ,
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: How to get more HP?
Did he just say all those numbers are mostly Geek to him........?
All of a sudden, we are beating every horse through the gate to DEATH!!!!!!!
WILDCAT
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----- Original Message -----
From: T.J. Nosmo-King
To: mike.chatfield@rez.com ; az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: How to get more HP?
WE HAVE A NEW WINNER.....I do believe the "how to get more HP" thread has
surpassed the "water leak" thread in numbers....and I don't just mean all
the numbers in the messages...which btw, are mostly greek to me....although
I'm beginning to get it..... :)
TJ
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6764 From: RICK NORMAN <RICKANDVANDA@p...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 6:10pm
Subject: Re: crown king on saturday
I too would like to know if crown king is on for tomorrow. I thought there
was some talk about trail 42 also. I am trying to line up a babysitter, and
I need to know tonight, if it is tomorrow. Can anybody help??
rickAZXJ
(4x4xfun)
-----Original Message-----
From: Joeyhart4d@a... <Joeyhart4d@a...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 1:40 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] crown king on saturday
>Is the sat run still on? if so is there a direct route from 83rd ave and
>union hills. if not i would like to run into you at the trailhead.
>
>
>tim
>97 tj
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6765 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 5:58pm
Subject: Product Review: Turbo City side rocker bars
Thought maybe some product reviews would be good to see here instead of
arguing about which engine is better so.....
Got my Turbo City side bars this week. Just had to put the on immediately
(wife and kids were complaining about the step up now that the jeep sits
higher).
First impression while lifting the big box UPS left is that these suckers
are heavy.
Opened the box and pulled them out. Very well built. Clean welds. Not a
scratch on them. They are made of ~2"x4" rectangular tubing and hug up to
the body rather well.
The bars do not just bolt on at the ends like a lot of other bars I've seen.
For the Turbo City bars, you must remove one of the side body bolts and
there is a center support on the bar that it sandwiched between the steel
frame body mount and the rubber isolator and bolt under the mount.
Everything fit very well. The instructions indicated that it may have to be
shimmed with washers behind the mounts, but mine required no washers. They
mount to the frame with 5 bolts per side (3 front, 2 rear) with self-tapping
bolts. I'm not sure how well the self-tapping bolts will hold or if they
will strip out eventually. Time (and rocks) will tell.
The only vague item about the installation is that they come with 2 non-skid
steel plates for the tops of the bars where you'd step in, but no
instructions or mounting hardware. There are no holes in the plates or side
bars to mount them. Guess I'll get some stainless screews to mount them or
some non-skid wing-walk tape.
Overall impression - very good.
Chris K
Blue 97 TJ
P.S. I am not affiliated with Turbo City, but I sure have spent a bunch
there.
6766 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 7:28pm
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
Just a quick reply. Seems the safest way (emissions wise) to swap a V8
into a newer Jeep is to get a comperable year V8. A late 80's YJ with a
350 from a late 80's Chevy (TBI) should suffice. For the current
emissions standards, you only need to pass the sniffer portion of the
test, hold pressure in the gas tank, and hold pressre with your gas
cap. So a close-in-year 350 should pass the sniffer with no problems.
Just my thoughts.
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6767 From: John Rabenius <john_rabenius@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 8:31pm
Subject: The EGG's going to hatch soon ...
Well, after a unanimous reply to my "which came first..." question about lift or gears/lockers first, I've decided to do the lockers and gears first.
I've priced out the following:
Rear axle: (Corporate 8.25) Auburn limited slip posi with 4.10 gears.
Front axle: (Dana 30) Tru Trac with 4.10 gears.
I know that the 4.10's are going to be low until I get some bigger tires, but I have the 4sp OD automatic, and I don't do too much freeway driving.
I can get the whole package installed for $1300. Southwest Four Wheel Drive in Phoenix has all the stuff in stock, and they recommended Arizona differential to do the install.
For those interested:
Auburn LS .............................$299
4.10 gears for the Auburn .........$205
Tru Trac LS ...........................$335
4.10 gears for the Tru Trac .......$152
AZ differential will do the install for $375.00, including the bearings, seals, oil and additive for the Auburn.
... Now, if I CAN JUST GET MY OTHER CAR SOLD( I have two guys looking at it this weekend), I can get rolling!
John
6743 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 5:13am
Subject: Re: Warn full floater kit
Steve
Is yours an older kit? The newer ones have a mod with allen set screws in the dials to lock them in place. They will exchange them out if you are having problems popping out. As far as engaging, some times you have to drive in a tight circle to get one side to lock in after you lock the other. I have an explanation sheet that came with my kit if you need a copy.
Bob
Steve Ruppert wrote:
I installed a Warn full-floater axle kit in my AMC20.Have problem with
the hubs not engaging all the time and popping out sometimes. Anyone
have any ideas or maybe a recall on the hubs? Steve
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6744 From: Andrew F. Mason <afmason@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:01pm
Subject: What runs are happening this weekend???
I have seen a flurry of email messages about possible funs to Crown King,
FR42 and the White Tank mountains, which of these if any is happening this
weekend, and what are the departure details.
Thanks
Andy & Tina Mason
Black 99TJ
6745 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 5:42am
Subject: Broken Arrow this weekend
James,
It doesnt appear I will be able to go this weekend afterall lI got to
work.....too much cr-p going on this week. sorry I owe you one!
maybe there iss ssomeone else interested in going with you on saturday
Brian Harmon
88 XXJ
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6747 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 8:26am
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
So you're saying with the 350 Chevy that it takes less cubes to make
more torque (Doing it this way, a lower number is better), which is a
good thing. A better way to compare this is to divide torque by CI
(ft-lbs per CI) Then, the higher the number the better.
220/242 = .909 ft-lbs/ci
210/258 = .814 ft-lbs/ci
330/350 = .943 ft-lbs/ci
If we used the ft-lbs/CI of the 258 and wanted to get as much as the
350 then we would need a 405 CI Engine. If we used the ft-lbs/CI of the
4.0L and wanted to get as much as the 350 then we would need a 363 CI
Engine. Grant it, the 4.0L is close to the 350, you have to look at
where it makes its power: 4000 RPM. Last time I went 4 Wheeling, I
don't think I revved above 3000 (probably closer to 2500). I'd much
rather Idle over a boulder than to have to blast it because my engine
doesn't make enough power at lower RPMs.
The other thing about the Chevy 350, is that it makes alot of torque at
idle. I don't have the chart anymore, but I believe it makes about 200
ft-lbs of torque at 700 RPM. And it doesn't make less than 200 ft-lbs
of torque until it nears redline. Which means for nearly it entire
powerband it makes equal to or more torque than the 4.0L and the 258 do
at thier peaks.
The other thing to look at is the availability of parts, you can spend
less and improve more with the 350 than you can with just about any
other engine out there.
If you really want alot of torque (and broken drive train parts) slide
in a 510 CI Chevy Crate motor. Then you'll get about 500 ft-lbs of
torque (or more) and it will cost alot less (about $85,000 less) than
going with a Viper V-10 swap. :)
- Mike
"jesus chio" <jchi-@a...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6732
> Hey Larry, if we do some math...
>
> the 4.0l (242 MPI) produces 220ftlbs of torque at 4000rpms.
> the 4.2l (258 I6) produces 210ft lbs of torque at 2000rpms.
> the 5.7l (350 TBI) produces 330ftlbs of torque at 3000 rpms.242/220 =
1.1 cubic inch per lbs of torque
> 258/210 = 1.228
> 350/330 = 1.06
>
> >
> And please, don't compare a 95 TBI 350 vs a 80 carb 258 engine man,
of course your 350 will blow a 258 engine...
>
> I just mean the 350 is not the best ever made engine, its not even
close to...
>
>
>
> And remember crawling even on 100:1 @ 3000 rpm is not as great as
crawling @ 2000 or 1900 rpm, and at those rpm the 258 and the 350 must
have the same or 20+/- lbs torque...
>
> As I said, my opinion
>
>
> Jesus Chio
> Editor of www.alloffroad.com
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>
>
>
> The stock 1995 350 TBI going in my CJ7 has has torque ratings that
will blow away a 4.0 and are equal with the 258 throughout its
powerband but continues on after the 258 has peaked.
>
> the 4.0l (242 MPI) produces 220ftlbs of torque at 4000rpms.
> the 4.2l (258 I6) produces 210ft lbs of torque at 2000rpms.
> the 5.7l (350 TBI) produces 330ftlbs of torque at 3000 rpms.
>
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jesus Chio
> To: Mike
> Cc: az_vjc@m...
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:58 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: How to get more HP?
>
>
> Well, my humble opinion....
>
> I have a CJ7, and about a year ago, I got a Brand new 350 Carb
Engine, paid around $2000 for it. After using the 258, I just couldn't
take it off.! Its a good trail engine, It wont ever give you the HP
and torque a Big Small Block V8 will throw....
>
> Well, to be brief, I'm keeping the 350 for a Rock Buggy, and
decided to work on the 258, and this is what I have done to it:
>
> Chevy 6L HEi Ignition
> 4BBL offenhouser Intake
> 390cfm Holley Carburetor (invested around $100 to make it work
great on slopes, still not perfect)
> K & N Air filter
> About to install a new camshaft and a new double timing chain
> Aluminium head cover
> Bored the engine too...
>
>
> With this all, the engine works way better than any other I have
seen...
>
> To be true, I had been a Chevy fan since I can remember, the 350
is a good engine, but its has not the best HP/torque/ci relation... I
like a lot more the 302 or even the 351w (which is called the best v8
ever made, don't ask why =) )
>
> Maybe I'm not being clear, its just IMO that is worth to five a
try to the 258...
>
> Feel free to ask anything, I'm glad to help.!
>
>
>
6748 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:15am
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
WE HAVE A NEW WINNER.....I do believe the "how to get more HP" thread has
surpassed the "water leak" thread in numbers....and I don't just mean all
the numbers in the messages...which btw, are mostly greek to me....although
I'm beginning to get it..... :)
TJ
75 CJ (The Money Pit)
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6749 From: Melinda Zabritski <mzabritski1@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 9:30am
Subject: Goodbye All
Well, it seems my 4-wheelin' days in Arizona are over, my last day in
the state in March 28th as I'm moving to Atlanta, GA.
Just wanted to thank everyone for all your help! I've learned a great
deal about my Jeep, my driving capabilities and the state. I've had a
blast!
Bye to All,
Melinda Zabritski
97 TJ
6750 From: UF_RULZ <Scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 11:01am
Subject: Re: Goodbye All
Hey Melinda,
Do you have time in your schedule for one last run? I think it would be
appropriate to have a goodbye run for you. You could even pick the trail
:-)
Take care!
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From: Melinda Zabritski <mzabritski1@e...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:30 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Goodbye All
> Well, it seems my 4-wheelin' days in Arizona are over, my last day in
> the state in March 28th as I'm moving to Atlanta, GA.
> Just wanted to thank everyone for all your help! I've learned a great
> deal about my Jeep, my driving capabilities and the state. I've had a
> blast!
>
> Bye to All,
>
> Melinda Zabritski
> 97 TJ
>
>
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6751 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 11:18am
Subject: Re: Goodbye All
Melinda,
Good luck in Atlanta! I know we only did one run together, the snow run
above Superior before you had tires on that Jeep, but it looks like
you've learned what's important:
- Have fun with your Jeep, make new friends and force them to endure
your Jeep tales, and come back to do it again!
If your job ever brings you back out this way, you know the meeting
place, so don't hesitate to ask where the next run is.
Jim Yucca-man@j...
Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://azvjc.web.com
89 Cherokee 73 CJ5 (RIP)
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:30:00 -0800 "Melinda Zabritski"
<mzabritski1@e...> writes:
> Well, it seems my 4-wheelin' days in Arizona are over, my last day in
> the state in March 28th as I'm moving to Atlanta, GA.
> Just wanted to thank everyone for all your help! I've learned a
> great
> deal about my Jeep, my driving capabilities and the state. I've had
> a
> blast!
>
> Bye to All,
>
> Melinda Zabritski
> 97 TJ
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6752 From: <Joeyhart4d@a...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 7:35am
Subject: crown king on saturday
Is the sat run still on? if so is there a direct route from 83rd ave and
union hills. if not i would like to run into you at the trailhead.
tim
97 tj
6753 From: Gary Schrock <climbingfool@c...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 1:35pm
Subject: TJ Extended Brakelines
I am new to this, so if I am not following correct posting procedure,
please let me know.
First, what a great find the AZVJC is!!! What a resource!!!
Second, I have a 98 TJ, which I am really liking. I have lifted it 2"
with spring spacers plus 2" of body lift. I have 33 x 12.50's, which
seem to be just right. I have added swaybar disconnects (MANDATORY!!!),
but now I need to extend my soft brakelines. Has anyone already been
through this, and if so, what brakelines were used?
Thanks for any help.
Gary Schrock
climbingfool@c...
'98 TJ Chili Pepper w/ Black tops
6754 From: <shrdrbabe@u...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 6:48am
Subject: Re: [ Goodbye All]
Come on Melinda!! I know you can squeeze in one more run before you leave!!
"UF_RULZ" <Scoopman_2000@y...> wrote:
Hey Melinda,
Do you have time in your schedule for one last run? I think it would be
appropriate to have a goodbye run for you. You could even pick the trail
:-)
Take care!
----- Original Message -----
From: Melinda Zabritski <mzabritski1@e...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:30 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Goodbye All
> Well, it seems my 4-wheelin' days in Arizona are over, my last day in
> the state in March 28th as I'm moving to Atlanta, GA.
> Just wanted to thank everyone for all your help! I've learned a great
> deal about my Jeep, my driving capabilities and the state. I've had a
> blast!
>
> Bye to All,
>
> Melinda Zabritski
> 97 TJ
>
>
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6755 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 1:50pm
Subject: Re: TJ Extended Brakelines
I recently did this on my CJ. I used the SuperLift kit ($110 for both
sides) and I was not happy with the quality. The first set I was given
was very poorly machined, they had large groves in the machined
surface. I Installed them without really looking very closely and they
leaked very badly and squirted brake fluid when I stepped on the brakes.
I took them back off and got new ones (no hassles from 4Wheeler Supply,
they saw how bad they were). The new ones still had minor grooves, but
they do seal properly (no leaks). I was much more impressed with the
ones my brother put on his Jeep. I don't remember who manufactured
them, but I do know that they were cheaper ($120 for 3 brake lines, 2
front, 1 rear) and looked to be a higher quality (built right the first
time). I do know that he had to order his from a catalog, and that
4Wheeler Supply did not carry them (I asked).
Other than that, installation is easy, make sure you have brake fluid
handy, and an oil pan to catch the brake fluid. Once you're done,
bleed the brakes.
Hope this helps,
- Mike Chatfield
"gary schrock" <climbingfoo-@c...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6753
> I am new to this, so if I am not following correct posting procedure,
> please let me know.
> First, what a great find the AZVJC is!!! What a resource!!!
> Second, I have a 98 TJ, which I am really liking. I have lifted it 2"
> with spring spacers plus 2" of body lift. I have 33 x 12.50's, which
> seem to be just right. I have added swaybar disconnects
(MANDATORY!!!),
> but now I need to extend my soft brakelines. Has anyone already been
> through this, and if so, what brakelines were used?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Gary Schrock
> climbingfool@c...
> '98 TJ Chili Pepper w/ Black tops
>
6756 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:20pm
Subject: Re: TJ Extended Brakelines
Rubicon Express will sell you the extended lines they use in their kits.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Schrock <climbingfool@c...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 2:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ Extended Brakelines
> I am new to this, so if I am not following correct posting procedure,
> please let me know.
> First, what a great find the AZVJC is!!! What a resource!!!
> Second, I have a 98 TJ, which I am really liking. I have lifted it 2"
> with spring spacers plus 2" of body lift. I have 33 x 12.50's, which
> seem to be just right. I have added swaybar disconnects (MANDATORY!!!),
> but now I need to extend my soft brakelines. Has anyone already been
> through this, and if so, what brakelines were used?
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Gary Schrock
> climbingfool@c...
> '98 TJ Chili Pepper w/ Black tops
>
>
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6757 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:13pm
Subject: Re: TJ Extended Brakelines
You did fine! Welcome to the group. We are fairly loose knit so there are few rules. Post what you want pertaining to Jeeps, rides and roads and join the fun. It really is a great group and has made my Jeep time the best time that I have. (And, I do have a life!) If you want AZVJC decals to put on your rig, instructions are in the classified section of the eGroups site.
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At 01:35 PM 3/17/2000 -0800, Gary Schrock wrote:
I am new to this, so if I am not following correct posting procedure,
please let me know.
First, what a great find the AZVJC is!!! What a resource!!!
Second, I have a 98 TJ, which I am really liking. I have lifted it 2"
with spring spacers plus 2" of body lift. I have 33 x 12.50's, which
seem to be just right. I have added swaybar disconnects (MANDATORY!!!),
but now I need to extend my soft brakelines. Has anyone already been
through this, and if so, what brakelines were used?
Thanks for any help.
Gary Schrock
climbingfool@cliffhanger.com
'98 TJ Chili Pepper w/ Black tops
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6758 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:15pm
Subject: Saturday
Andy, I was waiting to see if anything came up Sat also. It doesn't look
like it so I am going for a short run on a trail off Butcher Jones and
before the Coves. A friend of Billy Ayle pointed it out to me and, although
short, looks like it might be fun.
---------------------------
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6759 From: Randy Davis <davisrandy2@n...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 6:33am
Subject: Re: [ TJ Extended Brakelines]
HI It,s Randy I Just Did This Today I Got My Kit At Desert Rat It,s Made By Russell And My Three Line Kit Only Cost Me $85.00 For My 90 YJ And It Is Easy To Do!
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6760 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 2:56pm
Subject: Re: TJ Extended Brakelines
Rubicon Express, I believe those are the ones my brother used. Good
stuff.
- Mike Chatfield
"larry maggio" <lmaggi-@p...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6756
> Rubicon Express will sell you the extended lines they use in their
kits.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Schrock <climbingfool@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 2:35 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] TJ Extended Brakelines
>
>
> > I am new to this, so if I am not following correct posting
procedure,
> > please let me know.
> > First, what a great find the AZVJC is!!! What a resource!!!
> > Second, I have a 98 TJ, which I am really liking. I have lifted it
2"
> > with spring spacers plus 2" of body lift. I have 33 x 12.50's, which
> > seem to be just right. I have added swaybar disconnects
(MANDATORY!!!),
> > but now I need to extend my soft brakelines. Has anyone already been
> > through this, and if so, what brakelines were used?
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> > Gary Schrock
> > climbingfool@c...
> > '98 TJ Chili Pepper w/ Black tops
> >
> >
6761 From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 3:19pm
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Jesus,
If it's not too hard to describe in an email, what kind of things did you do to your Holley carb to get it work better on slopes? I have a Holley on the 258 in my 87 Wrangler (need to to check the model) that runs great in most situations. If there are some tweaks though to help, note I did not say eliminate :-), the stalling on steep inclines, I'd really appreciate your advice.
GIA (gracias in advance!),
Tom Jacobson
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesus Chio [mailto:jchio@alloffroad.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:59 AM
To: Mike
Cc: az_vjc@makelist.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Well, my humble opinion....
I have a CJ7, and about a year ago, I got a Brand new 350 Carb Engine, paid around $2000 for it. After using the 258, I just couldn't take it off.! Its a good trail engine, It wont ever give you the HP and torque a Big Small Block V8 will throw....
Well, to be brief, I'm keeping the 350 for a Rock Buggy, and decided to work on the 258, and this is what I have done to it:
Chevy 6L HEi Ignition
4BBL offenhouser Intake
390cfm Holley Carburetor (invested around $100 to make it work great on slopes, still not perfect)
K & N Air filter
About to install a new camshaft and a new double timing chain
Aluminium head cover
Bored the engine too...
With this all, the engine works way better than any other I have seen...
To be true, I had been a Chevy fan since I can remember, the 350 is a good engine, but its has not the best HP/torque/ci relation... I like a lot more the 302 or even the 351w (which is called the best v8 ever made, don't ask why =) )
Maybe I'm not being clear, its just IMO that is worth to five a try to the 258...
Feel free to ask anything, I'm glad to help.!
Jesus Chio
Editor of www.alloffroad.com
"If its to be, is up to me"
ICQ # 18428174
If youre considering spending $3000 on a SuperCharger/TurboCharger, then a V-8 engine swap makes a lot more sense. My Jeep originally came with the I6 258, which I believe is virtually the same as the engine in the TJs now (just has a longer stroke). I wanted to swap to a V-8 because of the loss of horsepower at high altitudes (Colorado). The important thing for Az emissions is that you have the same equipment on your V-8 as would be comparable to a SUV that came with a V-8 of the same model year. You can do an engine swap for less than $3000, by purchasing a used engine complete from a wrecking yard. Or you can look at buying a new crate engine from ChevyParts (http://www.chevyparts.com/) depending on the engine you buy, it could be anywhere from $2000 and up, but it will be a brand new, never run engine with a warrantee (not sure of the conditions or length though). There are tons of parts available for hooking up a Chevy V-8 to a Jeep, fairly easy, if you have a standard, with an auto theres a lot more involved. Im running a stock 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears in my CJ, and it will just chug away on the trail, sometimes its idling so slow over rocks that Im surprised it doesnt flame out.
Hope this helps, good luck,
: [az_vjc] FW: How to get more HP?
Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
me.
Well, the TJ is the right height now.
Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except when we go to
the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
I've been adding lately).
I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires, but I need
some recommendations for horsepower.
Here are the options I have been considering:
SVI Supercharger kit
Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
V-8 swap
What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is comparable in
cost to the turbo or supercharger.
I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
improve power for towing.
I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
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6762 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 3:24pm
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
Did he just say all those numbers are mostly Geek to him........?
All of a sudden, we are beating every horse through the gate to DEATH!!!!!!!
WILDCAT
1955 WILLYS CJ3B
Custom Everything
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: T.J. Nosmo-King
To: mike.chatfield@rez.com ; az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: How to get more HP?
WE HAVE A NEW WINNER.....I do believe the "how to get more HP" thread has
surpassed the "water leak" thread in numbers....and I don't just mean all
the numbers in the messages...which btw, are mostly greek to me....although
I'm beginning to get it..... :)
TJ
75 CJ (The Money Pit)
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6763 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 4:39pm
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
Agreed !
Now that we have that 258 vs V8 arguement out of our systems, I was over at Hesco's web site. I do like the Stroker kit. Their site is rather lacking in details though. Any ideas on performance numbers on that? The big problem I see with that is that option is that it requires a complete engine rebuild. The down time for that would be quite a bit. They also have a supercharger, but it is $600 more than the others and I'm not sure how it bolts on. I sent them an email with some questions, but have not heard back yet.
Someone mentioned the Rimmer supercharger, but thought he had heard bad things about them. I tried to go to their site today, but it is no longer there. A bad sign I think.
I know that a V8 swap (PLEASE don't start the arguements again) is not a quick thing either. I guess my biggest concern is swapping a V8 in to a modern vehicle and keeping it legal. I had thought abought trying to find a wrecked Grand Cherokee and swapping the engine and systems from that, but I'm not sure if it is possible to graft the 2 systems together that easily.
Maybe I'm just getting in too far over my head with the V8 swap. Any real-world experiences with newer vehicle swaps? Please send them to me directly if you think it will start another engine vs engine war.
From: "William Mish"
Organization: Wildcat Off Road
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:24:56 -0700
To: "T.J. Nosmo-King" , ,
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: How to get more HP?
Did he just say all those numbers are mostly Geek to him........?
All of a sudden, we are beating every horse through the gate to DEATH!!!!!!!
WILDCAT
1955 WILLYS CJ3B
Custom Everything
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: T.J. Nosmo-King
To: mike.chatfield@rez.com ; az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: How to get more HP?
WE HAVE A NEW WINNER.....I do believe the "how to get more HP" thread has
surpassed the "water leak" thread in numbers....and I don't just mean all
the numbers in the messages...which btw, are mostly greek to me....although
I'm beginning to get it..... :)
TJ
75 CJ (The Money Pit)
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6764 From: RICK NORMAN <RICKANDVANDA@p...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 6:10pm
Subject: Re: crown king on saturday
I too would like to know if crown king is on for tomorrow. I thought there
was some talk about trail 42 also. I am trying to line up a babysitter, and
I need to know tonight, if it is tomorrow. Can anybody help??
rickAZXJ
(4x4xfun)
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From: Joeyhart4d@a... <Joeyhart4d@a...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 1:40 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] crown king on saturday
>Is the sat run still on? if so is there a direct route from 83rd ave and
>union hills. if not i would like to run into you at the trailhead.
>
>
>tim
>97 tj
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6765 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 5:58pm
Subject: Product Review: Turbo City side rocker bars
Thought maybe some product reviews would be good to see here instead of
arguing about which engine is better so.....
Got my Turbo City side bars this week. Just had to put the on immediately
(wife and kids were complaining about the step up now that the jeep sits
higher).
First impression while lifting the big box UPS left is that these suckers
are heavy.
Opened the box and pulled them out. Very well built. Clean welds. Not a
scratch on them. They are made of ~2"x4" rectangular tubing and hug up to
the body rather well.
The bars do not just bolt on at the ends like a lot of other bars I've seen.
For the Turbo City bars, you must remove one of the side body bolts and
there is a center support on the bar that it sandwiched between the steel
frame body mount and the rubber isolator and bolt under the mount.
Everything fit very well. The instructions indicated that it may have to be
shimmed with washers behind the mounts, but mine required no washers. They
mount to the frame with 5 bolts per side (3 front, 2 rear) with self-tapping
bolts. I'm not sure how well the self-tapping bolts will hold or if they
will strip out eventually. Time (and rocks) will tell.
The only vague item about the installation is that they come with 2 non-skid
steel plates for the tops of the bars where you'd step in, but no
instructions or mounting hardware. There are no holes in the plates or side
bars to mount them. Guess I'll get some stainless screews to mount them or
some non-skid wing-walk tape.
Overall impression - very good.
Chris K
Blue 97 TJ
P.S. I am not affiliated with Turbo City, but I sure have spent a bunch
there.
6766 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 7:28pm
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
Just a quick reply. Seems the safest way (emissions wise) to swap a V8
into a newer Jeep is to get a comperable year V8. A late 80's YJ with a
350 from a late 80's Chevy (TBI) should suffice. For the current
emissions standards, you only need to pass the sniffer portion of the
test, hold pressure in the gas tank, and hold pressre with your gas
cap. So a close-in-year 350 should pass the sniffer with no problems.
Just my thoughts.
--
Jay-Bird (www.goodnet.com/~eller)
Chevy 350 from a 1970 something....
'83 CJ7
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6767 From: John Rabenius <john_rabenius@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2000 8:31pm
Subject: The EGG's going to hatch soon ...
Well, after a unanimous reply to my "which came first..." question about lift or gears/lockers first, I've decided to do the lockers and gears first.
I've priced out the following:
Rear axle: (Corporate 8.25) Auburn limited slip posi with 4.10 gears.
Front axle: (Dana 30) Tru Trac with 4.10 gears.
I know that the 4.10's are going to be low until I get some bigger tires, but I have the 4sp OD automatic, and I don't do too much freeway driving.
I can get the whole package installed for $1300. Southwest Four Wheel Drive in Phoenix has all the stuff in stock, and they recommended Arizona differential to do the install.
For those interested:
Auburn LS .............................$299
4.10 gears for the Auburn .........$205
Tru Trac LS ...........................$335
4.10 gears for the Tru Trac .......$152
AZ differential will do the install for $375.00, including the bearings, seals, oil and additive for the Auburn.
... Now, if I CAN JUST GET MY OTHER CAR SOLD( I have two guys looking at it this weekend), I can get rolling!
John