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6693 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 9:36pm
Subject: Re: SWB Jeep + V8 + engine driven fan = overheating?
Just tryin' to make me feel better...
WILDCAT
1955 WILLYS CJ3B
Custom Everything
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Maggio
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 8:43 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: SWB Jeep + V8 + engine driven fan = overheating?
didnt even notice it....knew what you meant anway.
I have some additional info on my webpage regarding electric vs. engine
driven fan. Check it out...
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Outback/4485/cooling.html
Larry
> Yes I do......I was too embarrassed after making the mistake to try and
> correct it. Thanks Joe....I think....
********
> > he means outside the shroud...
*******
> > >One thing to note when shrouding your fan, for optimum performance,
3/4"
> > > of the fan blade should be outside the fan........
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6694 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 10:00pm
Subject: FW: How to get more HP?
Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
me.
Well, the TJ is the right height now.
Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except when we go to
the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
I've been adding lately).
I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires, but I need
some recommendations for horsepower.
Here are the options I have been considering:
SVI Supercharger kit
Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
V-8 swap
What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is comparable in
cost to the turbo or supercharger.
I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
improve power for towing.
I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
6695 From: Ken Unterriner <jeep108@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 10:23pm
Subject: Re: 4x4 Nightly chat...
egroups has a chat thing but I never seen anyone use it.Seems like it
would be cool.
Ken
"jesus chio" <jchi-@a...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6691
> Maybe I had never told you all...
>
> At alloffroad.com we have a chat, were we try to be some nights,
personally I'm there every time I can, so if you want to come in and
talk, Ill be glad to meet some of you...
>
> www.alloffroad.com/chat
>
> the instructions are there, and are pretty easy, just wait till the
page loads, type a name and connect =)
>
>
>
> If you want AZ_vjc I can provide you the html code to setup a chat on
your page, so you can get in there and discuss and have fun!
>
> Jesus Chio
> Editor of www.alloffroad.com
> "If its to be, is up to me"
> ICQ # 18428174
>
6696 From: Rick VH <rvanhazel@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 10:44pm
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Ok, heres some flame bait because I'm not too positive on this little
tidbit. From what I understand is that the older 6's had a longer stroke
and smaller bore and the newer ones such as the engines in our TJ's have a
larger bore and shorter stroke.. I was considering the possibilities of
transplanting an older spec (new) crank into my existing 6 banger. This
would of course increase displacement and compression. I'm just not certain
of how much. But if it could be pulled off.. hey, higher compression +
larger displacement = more HP. Course you'd have to run 92 octane gas if
the compression is too high.
I as well did the K&N filter (the tube replacement and not the stock airbox
swap), Walker cat, Supertrapp exhaust, and I personally bored and polished
out the throttle body with the help of a Dremel. I assume you've already
swapped the MAP (mass airflow) sensor. You could also look into a different
cam. I think the only bolt on you have left is the Header. The turbo and
supercharger kits should add a substantial amount of ponies but also cost in
the $3,000 range which would make a v8 swap fesable. Advanced Adapters
should know everything about the swap if you want to go that route. But you
also have to consider the extra power and weight are going to cause many
other problems. So you might have to do a swap on your tranny, tranfercase
and upgrading your front and rear end, especially if you have 30 and 35c.
I put 33's on mine about a year ago and a couple months ago changed the
gearing out to 4:10's. They made a huge difference, I have no problems
getting my rig up to 95 on the freeway in 5th gear. I also have an urge to
race all those lowered hondas that think their race cars around Tempe.. None
of em win by the way. Its funny to see the look on their face when a 4x4
with tires as tall as their car eats them alive. I just know i got my
moneys worth.
rick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:00 PM
> To: Virtual Jeep Club
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: How to get more HP?
>
>
> Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
> me.
>
> Well, the TJ is the right height now.
>
> Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
> We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except
> when we go to
> the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
> Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
> help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
> I've been adding lately).
> I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires,
> but I need
> some recommendations for horsepower.
>
> Here are the options I have been considering:
> SVI Supercharger kit
> Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
> V-8 swap
>
> What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
>
> The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
> me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
> I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is
> comparable in
> cost to the turbo or supercharger.
>
> I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
> improve power for towing.
>
> I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
>
> Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
> Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
>
>
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6697 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 1:52am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
I worry about doing an engine swap now days, I read an article recently in
one of the off road mags, I forgot which one, and they were describing
California's laws on swaps, they are very strict. While I'm not a
geographical idiot and do realize the difference between here and there, it
does seem to me that whatever California does most other states eventually
follow. Let's suppose for the moment that that's the case, if Arizona gets
as strict, do you think they will do a "grandfather clause" on all exsisting
swaps or come down on everyone?
Hal
93YJ - Tucson
6698 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 5:21am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Don't forget putting a stoker in the 4.0L.
Personally I would try a new cam with the regear before doing any of the
expensive stuff.
Chris Krieg wrote:
>
> Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
> me.
>
> Well, the TJ is the right height now.
>
> Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
> We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except when we go to
> the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
> Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
> help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
> I've been adding lately).
> I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires, but I need
> some recommendations for horsepower.
>
> Here are the options I have been considering:
> SVI Supercharger kit
> Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
> V-8 swap
>
> What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
>
> The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
> me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
> I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is comparable in
> cost to the turbo or supercharger.
>
> I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
> improve power for towing.
>
> I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
>
> Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
> Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
>
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6699 From: Mike <mchat@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 6:46am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
If youre considering spending $3000 on a SuperCharger/TurboCharger, then a V-8 engine swap makes a lot more sense. My Jeep originally came with the I6 258, which I believe is virtually the same as the engine in the TJs now (just has a longer stroke). I wanted to swap to a V-8 because of the loss of horsepower at high altitudes (Colorado). The important thing for Az emissions is that you have the same equipment on your V-8 as would be comparable to a SUV that came with a V-8 of the same model year. You can do an engine swap for less than $3000, by purchasing a used engine complete from a wrecking yard. Or you can look at buying a new crate engine from ChevyParts (http://www.chevyparts.com/) depending on the engine you buy, it could be anywhere from $2000 and up, but it will be a brand new, never run engine with a warrantee (not sure of the conditions or length though). There are tons of parts available for hooking up a Chevy V-8 to a Jeep, fairly easy, if you have a standard, with an auto theres a lot more involved. Im running a stock 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears in my CJ, and it will just chug away on the trail, sometimes its idling so slow over rocks that Im surprised it doesnt flame out.
Hope this helps, good luck,
Mike Chatfield
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:00 PM
To: Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: How to get more HP?
Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
me.
Well, the TJ is the right height now.
Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except when we go to
the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
I've been adding lately).
I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires, but I need
some recommendations for horsepower.
Here are the options I have been considering:
SVI Supercharger kit
Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
V-8 swap
What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is comparable in
cost to the turbo or supercharger.
I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
improve power for towing.
I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
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6700 From: T.J. Gill <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 6:59am
Subject: Tranny woes
good morning all....was wondering if anyone out there knows how to
rebuild a muncie 4 speed....I was coming to work this morning when I
started grinding gears going into 4th....I did a quick check of the
linkage when I got to work (without crawling all the way under) and it
looked alright....thinking maybe syncro gears going/gone.....I just
dumped a fairly large wad into the money pit this past week and not
anxious to part with more (might have to actually tell the wife where
the money has gone) so if anyone can or knows of anyone who can do it
on the cheap, I would greatly appreciate it....thanx in advance for the
help....
TJ
75CJ (Money Pit)
6701 From: Jesus Chio <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 6:58am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Well, my humble opinion....
I have a CJ7, and about a year ago, I got a Brand new 350 Carb Engine, paid around $2000 for it. After using the 258, I just couldn't take it off.! Its a good trail engine, It wont ever give you the HP and torque a Big Small Block V8 will throw....
Well, to be brief, I'm keeping the 350 for a Rock Buggy, and decided to work on the 258, and this is what I have done to it:
Chevy 6L HEi Ignition
4BBL offenhouser Intake
390cfm Holley Carburetor (invested around $100 to make it work great on slopes, still not perfect)
K & N Air filter
About to install a new camshaft and a new double timing chain
Aluminium head cover
Bored the engine too...
With this all, the engine works way better than any other I have seen...
To be true, I had been a Chevy fan since I can remember, the 350 is a good engine, but its has not the best HP/torque/ci relation... I like a lot more the 302 or even the 351w (which is called the best v8 ever made, don't ask why =) )
Maybe I'm not being clear, its just IMO that is worth to five a try to the 258...
Feel free to ask anything, I'm glad to help.!
Jesus Chio
Editor of www.alloffroad.com
"If its to be, is up to me"
ICQ # 18428174
If youre considering spending $3000 on a SuperCharger/TurboCharger, then a V-8 engine swap makes a lot more sense. My Jeep originally came with the I6 258, which I believe is virtually the same as the engine in the TJs now (just has a longer stroke). I wanted to swap to a V-8 because of the loss of horsepower at high altitudes (Colorado). The important thing for Az emissions is that you have the same equipment on your V-8 as would be comparable to a SUV that came with a V-8 of the same model year. You can do an engine swap for less than $3000, by purchasing a used engine complete from a wrecking yard. Or you can look at buying a new crate engine from ChevyParts (http://www.chevyparts.com/) depending on the engine you buy, it could be anywhere from $2000 and up, but it will be a brand new, never run engine with a warrantee (not sure of the conditions or length though). There are tons of parts available for hooking up a Chevy V-8 to a Jeep, fairly easy, if you have a standard, with an auto theres a lot more involved. Im running a stock 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears in my CJ, and it will just chug away on the trail, sometimes its idling so slow over rocks that Im surprised it doesnt flame out.
Hope this helps, good luck,
: [az_vjc] FW: How to get more HP?
Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
me.
Well, the TJ is the right height now.
Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except when we go to
the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
I've been adding lately).
I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires, but I need
some recommendations for horsepower.
Here are the options I have been considering:
SVI Supercharger kit
Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
V-8 swap
What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is comparable in
cost to the turbo or supercharger.
I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
improve power for towing.
I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
6702 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:04am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Hey Chris,
This is the other Chris with the 97 TJ, and I am jealous as I only have the
4banger. I am also considering many engine mods or an engine swap. As I
have the light duty ax5 transmission it eliminates the opportunity to swap
using my 5 speed. I have checked and rechecked and it may be cheaper to go
with a supercharger. As a former Turbo Charged engine I stay away from
Turbos. They heat up and break alot easier than the superchargers, the life
span is light years shorter. The only way to get a Turbo is if it is water
cooled, still like superchargers better. I will look for the site, but
there is a guy performing a swap using a 5.9 Dodge engine. The original
cost for the engine/tranny cost $2500 from a junkyard and hundreds more to
get the correct wiring harnesses(he has gone though a couple of wrong ones),
and then the cost of relocating the tranny and motor mounts. So far I think
he is at over $4000 and still needs at least another grand. As there are
costs relating to shortning or lengthening the drive shafts, changing the
joints and possible upgrading the axles.
Recently a read an article about someone putting a Rimmer superchager on his
4 banger, then went racing a 6cyl, they were equal up to 50mph then the
4banger smoked him. I think with the supercharger on the 6 will give you
all the power you will need. I have heard good and bad stories about Rimmer
as a company.
Another option would be to check into Jacobs Electronics ignition kits.
These will run under a grand and reported increases of around 10% in HP and
even more in torque. I have a name and number of someone there you can talk
with if you are interested in getting exact numbers.
Just my thoughts.
Chris
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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6703 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:19am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Just wanted to correct you on one point - theres a difference of almost 65 hp on the newer 4.0 (180 hp) when compared to the carbureted 258 (117 hp). I believe the current 4.0 has more hp than any of the V8's that were offered in the stock CJ's. A header, high flow cat, and catback setup combined with a high flow K&n should give you around 200 hp. With the right gears theres plenty of power IMO.
Scott
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6704 From: Jesus Chio <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:25am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Take a look here (http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/Engine.html) you will find lots of tricks and how to's to upgrade a 258...
Scott might be right... I don't know how many HP I will be getting after all my swap, but I'm sure it will be around 180, maybe the 200 HP, (less than 1k invested on the engine) which is not bad at all...
What I do love from those 258s is the low end torque, you can climb up on the rocks without speeding up or having to push the gas, and man, that's nice!
(http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/) take a time to see the Jeep factory engine options, you can get some ideas from there too...
Have a good weekend you all (yes, today starts my weekend, isn't it cool? q8) )
Jesus Chio
Editor of www.alloffroad.com
"If its to be, is up to me"
ICQ # 18428174
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Just wanted to correct you on one point - theres a difference of almost 65 hp on the newer 4.0 (180 hp) when compared to the carbureted 258 (117 hp). I believe the current 4.0 has more hp than any of the V8's that were offered in the stock CJ's. A header, high flow cat, and catback setup combined with a high flow K&n should give you around 200 hp. With the right gears theres plenty of power IMO.
Scott
6705 From: Mike Pawlowski <mike.pawlowski@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:34am
Subject: Re: Tranny woes
Well,
There is a little light at the end of the tunnel. If it is JUST a syncro,
until you DO rebuild it....Just DOuble CLutch it into 4th. It shouldn't
grind and it will be just like driving a 4Spd out of an OLD car...hehehe
From what I've heard, a rebuild kit is about $175.00 and Is somewhat
straight-forward for muncies.....
Hope This Helps,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "T.J. Gill" <ice626@h...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:59 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Tranny woes
> good morning all....was wondering if anyone out there knows how to
> rebuild a muncie 4 speed....I was coming to work this morning when I
> started grinding gears going into 4th....I did a quick check of the
> linkage when I got to work (without crawling all the way under) and it
> looked alright....thinking maybe syncro gears going/gone.....I just
> dumped a fairly large wad into the money pit this past week and not
> anxious to part with more (might have to actually tell the wife where
> the money has gone) so if anyone can or knows of anyone who can do it
> on the cheap, I would greatly appreciate it....thanx in advance for the
> help....
>
> TJ
> 75CJ (Money Pit)
>
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6706 From: <MSA12171@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 2:32am
Subject: Muncie 4-speed rebuild
I accidentally deleted someone's message on building a Muncie 4-speed. I can
get it done very well for very cheap. I work for a dealer and one of the
guys will do it. E-mail back whoever it was.
Mike
6707 From: <ZJDreams@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 2:50am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Doh! I keep sending emails to individual people rather than the
group...anyways here it is:
As someone mentioned before I would check into a stroker kit for the 4.0. I
believe Clifford Performance and HESCO both make one. On the jacobs
electronics tip, don't to it!! I put the omni magnum on my 4.0 and it was a
complete waste of time, no increase in mileage and it didn't feel like i had
more power either. I've heard the same story from a lot of people.
Jeff Gully
6708 From: Chris R. <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 8:37am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
I think we have all lost our heads here or am I missing something. It just
occured to me that the original message requested help getting more power to
tow, correct? Well then why are we talking about HP isn't it Torque that
provides the power to tow?
Chris
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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6709 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 8:39am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Combination of torque and horse power. Depends on how fast you want to go
uphill, how much weight you are towing, gears, and in Arizona-cooling system.
Also, don't forget about breaking power. All things are involved but money is
the question. If you want to go the speed limit it will take horse power.
Bob
"Chris R." wrote:
> I think we have all lost our heads here or am I missing something. It just
> occured to me that the original message requested help getting more power to
> tow, correct? Well then why are we talking about HP isn't it Torque that
> provides the power to tow?
>
> Chris
> My1stJeep@excite.com
> '97 TJ
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6710 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 8:43am
Subject: Re: Tire Help!
At that price with a warranty you probably couldn't go wrong. Cooper has been around along time.
Bob
Keith Orr wrote:
Hello Gang,
A local Dealer here in Safford is running a huge sale on some MT's and
AT's. They are a 6 ply tire with an attractive look, and a heavy deep
aggressive tread pattern. They are made by Cooper Tire. I have never run
Cooper tires before, so I am a little shy to buy. The tires run = 31x10.50,
32x11.50, 33x12.50's. The price through out the tires is = $69.00 per tire
plus tax. Mounting and balance is 6.00 per tire. The warranty is equal to
BFG's MT's. I know that the price is very reasonable, but I have no
knowledge of the life and performance of this tire. I would appreciate any
help in this matter if possible.
Thanks,
Casper
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6711 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 9:01am
Subject: Re: [ Mar 18th Crown King Trip]
Michael Chatfield wrote:
>
> The runners for the 50 Mile are starting off very early in the morning
> (3 am) The runners for the 50k are starting at 7am. We are supposed to
> "meet" at the Gas station at 8:30, which means we'll probably roll out
> about 9. Once at the trail head, we'll need to air-down and lock-in,
> which means we'll probably be leaving the trail head around 10. If we
> stop at Fort Misery for lunch, around noon, it will be 3 - 3:30 by the
> time we get to Crown King, assuming no one has problems.
>
> Last year, according to thier website, the majority of runners
> completed before 3 pm, with a handfull of straglers coming in up to
> 5pm. As long as we don't make it a race to get up the mountain
> ourselves, we should be able to share the trail with the straggling
> runners that we will catch up with.
>
> Thoughts?
My opinion is that you should run something else on Saturday, or run
Crown King on Sunday.
Barring that, if you pushed your timetable back 2 hours, and hit the
trail at noon instead of 10AM, I don't think you would have as many
problems, and still wouldn't get up there too late.
I don't think that you will have any trouble, or cause any trouble, in
any case. It just seems that since this is a one-time-a-year kinda
thing it would be nice to try and steer clear of it.
6712 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 9:13am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
The difference is where the horsepower is made. The older 258's made
thier power at a lower RPM than the new 4.0's. The 4.0 might have more
HP than the stock 304 V-8 (I don't have references here to look it up),
however, the 304 was not the only V-8 offered. There were 343, 360 and
401's. A stock Chevy 350 will put about 250 hp out, but at a lower,
more usable (offroad) RPM. I dunno about you, but I don't go blasting
around the countryside at 3/4 to full throttle. That goes against
everthing "Tread-Lightly" represents. You can put fuel
injection/larger carbs, cams, manifolds, headers, super-charger/turbo-c
harger, etc.. on any engine, but there's no substitute for cubes (cubic
inches).
Mike
scott kruize <osmt-@y...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6703
>
> Just wanted to correct you on one point - theres a difference of
almost 65 hp on the newer 4.0 (180 hp) when compared to the carbureted
258 (117 hp). I believe the current 4.0 has more hp than any of the
V8's that were offered in the stock CJ's. A header, high flow cat, and
catback setup combined with a high flow K&n should give you around 200
hp. With the right gears theres plenty of power IMO.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
6713 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 9:27am
Subject: Re: [ Mar 18th Crown King Trip]
Dave Reinken wrote:
> My opinion is that you should run something else on Saturday, or run
> Crown King on Sunday.
> <snip>
I agree. Keep in mind that the running event is a competition for
(at least some of) the participants. And they most likely will
have to share the trail with others who are unaware of their event
(including bikers, ATC'ers, 4x4'ers, hunters, etc.). If you were
participating in some "official-like organized event", wouldn't you
prefer others to avoid using the trail? Surely you all can find
another trail to do. Like I always say...
So many trails, so little time.
Just my 2 cents.
-Roger
6714 From: Sullivan, Len <LSULLIV@C...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 9:39am
Subject: Re: [ Mar 18th Crown King Trip]
Just a wild thought here.........why not contact the people organizing the
running event and ask them? They may prefer to have the trail clear, but
then again if they know that a CAREFUL and SLOW group of 4 wheelers will be
following the runners it might be a good thing - give rides to exhausted
runners, etc
Len Sullivan
Vendor Direct Transmissions
and Faxstar Operations Coordinator
CSK Automotive, Inc.
602.631.7845
mailto:lsulliv@c...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:28 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ Mar 18th Crown King Trip]
>
> Dave Reinken wrote:
> > My opinion is that you should run something else on Saturday, or run
> > Crown King on Sunday.
> > <snip>
>
> I agree. Keep in mind that the running event is a competition for
> (at least some of) the participants. And they most likely will
> have to share the trail with others who are unaware of their event
> (including bikers, ATC'ers, 4x4'ers, hunters, etc.). If you were
> participating in some "official-like organized event", wouldn't you
> prefer others to avoid using the trail? Surely you all can find
> another trail to do. Like I always say...
>
> So many trails, so little time.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> -Roger
>
>
6715 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 10:01am
Subject: [Fwd: FWD: News Release-- Recreationists Blast Green Lawsuit]
FYI
Linda
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:22:38 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: FWD: News Release-- Recreationists Blast Green Lawsuit
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
Please see the press release below regarding a lawsuit filed by environmental organizations against the BLM--California Desert District. A copy of the environmental groups' press release is pasted below the Blue Ribbon Coalition's release:
--------------------------------------
Date: 3/15/0 5:35 PM
From: Donald C. Amador
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Donald C. Amador, 112531,1311
TO: Agenmedia, INTERNET:brdon_a@sharetrails.org
DATE: 3/15/00 4:31 PM
RE: Copy of: News Release-- Recreationists Blast Green Lawsuit
BLUE RIBBON COALITION, INC.
NEWS RELEASE
RELEASE DATE: March 16, 2000
Contact: Don Amador
Phone: 925.625.6287
RECREATIONISTS SAY GREEN LAWSUIT TO CLOSE DESERT EXPOSES
ANTI-ACCESS AGENDA OF EXTREMIST ECO-GROUPS
POCATELLO, ID -- The Blue Ribbon Coalition, a national umbrella group of
multiple-use recreationists, is
concerned about the green lawsuit filed today against the Bureau of Land
Management (BLM). These types of
lawsuits designed to close millions of acres of federal lands to general
public access have been filed throughout the
West by extreme preservationist groups who have a land-closure agenda.
Not long ago, over 10 million acres of the California desert were closed to
the general public by the ill-advised
California Desert Protection Act. A scheme foisted on Californians by
enviros to supposedly “protect” wildlife and
critical habitat for the next millennium. Now these same groups say they
want another closure of the same
magnitude.
Many multiple-use recreation groups say that closures and locked-gates are
really non-management options that
do not benefit either the resource or the public.
Rather than commend the BLM and user groups who have worked hard to protect
natural resources in the California
Desert Conservation Area, this lawsuit appears to club the agency and
publics who recreate in, and care for, the
desert.
According to Ron Schiller, president of the High Desert Multiple-Use
Coalition, “How long will the general public
put up with this sort of tactics that only serves to alienate a growing
number of users and residents in California who
enjoy their public lands?”
“I am actually glad to see the greens file this suit because it shows the
whole world just how extreme their position is
when it comes to the intelligent use of our natural resources. This suit
is an insult to all of us who live or recreate in
the deserts of California.” Schiller concludes.
Don Amador, the western regional representative for the Blue Ribbon
Coalition, states, “From the shovel brigades
at Jarbidge Nevada to the rally this weekend near Fresno by local residents
against President Clinton’s plan to close
400,000 acres of the Sequoia National Forest to multiple-use, a lot of
folks are standing up for their access rights and
against the green agenda of the Clinton/Gore administration and their
buddies in the so-called environmental
movement.”
“I would urge the green community to try and work with those of us who want
to protect our natural resources while
enjoying them at the same time. They might be better served if they join
some of the recreation groups during one of
the many clean-up projects that are held each year in the desert.” Amador
concludes.
- 30 -
The Blue Ribbon Coalition is a national 501 (c) (3) non-profit recreation
group that champions responsible
multiple-use on public lands. It represents over 800 businesses and
organizations with 600,000 members.
================================================== =========================
RE: Copy of: Center for Biodiversity Press Release on Desert Lawsuit
The Center for Biological Diversity
Protecting and restoring the west's deserts, rivers, forests, and wildlife.
Tucson * San Diego * Phoenix * Berkeley * Silver City
News Release Thursday 3/16/2000
MAJOR ENDANGERED SPECIES LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST U.S. BUREAU OF LAND
MANAGEMENT COVERING 10.2 MILLION ACRE CALIF. DESERT CONSERVATION AREA.
BLM MISMANAGEMENT IMPERILS DESERT TORTOISE, PENINSULAR BIGHORN SHEEP, INYO
CALIFORNIA TOWHEE & TWENTY-ONE OTHER ENDANGERED SPECIES.
Contact: Daniel Patterson, Desert Ecologist, Center for Biological
Diversity 520.623.5252x307 or 906.2159
Peter Galvin, Conservation Biologist, Center for Biological Diversity
510.848.0812 x 2
Elden Hughes, Chair, Sierra Club California/Nevada Desert Committee
562.941.5306
Brendan Cummings, Attorney 510.848.5486
SAN FRANCISCO -- A coalition of environmental groups led by the
Tucson-based Center for Biological Diversity, and including Sierra Club and
Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER), filed a major
lawsuit today against the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in federal
district court.
The coalition charges in the suit that the BLM has violated the Endangered
Species Act (ESA) by failing to analyze the effects to endangered species
of the implementation of the 1980 California Desert Conservation Area
(CDCA) plan which guides the management of the over 10.2 million acre
conservation area.
Congress designated the CDCA in 1976 and directed BLM to plan for
conservation and protection of wildlife habitat. The CDCA Plan was issued
in 1980. Unfortunately, BLM has never fully implemented conservation
sections of the plan or properly considered the plan's overall effects on
threatened and endangered species.
The CDCA stretches over 400 miles from the US-Mexico border to Death Valley
and the foothills of the Sierra Nevada. The CDCA includes some of the
California desert's most scenic areas in Imperial, San Diego, Los Angeles,
Riverside, San Bernardino, Kern, Inyo and Mono counties.
At stake is the survival and recovery of at least 24 threatened and
endangered species and their habitat in southern California's Mojave and
Sonoran deserts.
"Many of these species were not listed when the CDCA plan was written, and
therefore the effects of the plan on them have never been looked at with
the biological scrutiny required under the law." explains Daniel Patterson,
an ecologist with the Center for Biological Diversity who formerly worked
on species recovery with BLM in the Mojave desert. "Rare desert plants and
animals are suffering as BLM keeps its eyes closed."
The desert tortoise is a key species for recovery of California's fragile
desert lands. Thriving on Earth for 67 million years, tortoises have been
decimated in just over 100 years by livestock grazing, mining, off road
vehicles, utility projects, and urban sprawl.
"BLM has helped push the tortoise to the edge of extinction. The tortoise
has waited a decade for BLM to start setting things right. That's too long
to wait." says Elden Hughes, a longtime desert champion with the Sierra
Club.
The Peninsular Ranges bighorn sheep, Inyo California towhee, Desert
pupfish, and rare plants like the Peirson's milkvetch and Cushenberry
buckwheat also are mandated significantly more protection under the law
than BLM has been offering.
At the heart of the suit is the BLMs failures under the ESA to fully
consider and mitigate effects on species of habitat harming activities as
allowed in land use plans.
"BLM managers have ignored the repeated recommendations of their own
biologists to reduce impacts from grazing, mining and off-road vehicles,"
explains Jeff Ruch, executive director of Public Employees for
Environmental Responsibility. "This suit is the only means to induce BLM to
faithfully execute their environmental duties."
The Center for Biological Diversity is a 5,000 member science based
environmental advocacy organization based in Tucson, Arizona. CBD was
formed in 1989 and has offices in San Diego and Berkeley, California,
Phoenix, Arizona, and Silver City, New Mexico. This legal action is a part
of the Center's Golden State Biodiversity Initiative.
Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) is a 10,000 member
national alliance of local, state and federal resource professionals. PEER
is based in Washington DC with field representatives operating across the
U.S.
The Sierra Club, headquartered in San Francisco, has over 600,000 members
nationwide and over 100,000 in California. Sierra Club has existed to
explore, enjoy, and protect the wild places of the earth since being
founded by John Muir in 1892. The Sierra Club was the lead activist
organization in the 10-year campaign to pass the California Desert
Protection Act of 1994.
================================================== =========
6716 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 10:09am
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
There were some questions concerning Hp vs Torque, I hope this helps
clear things up.
Calculating Torque:
The amount of torque a motor produces at rated power and engine speed
can be found by using a horsepower-to-torque conversion chart. To
calculate torque, apply this formula:
T = (HP x 5252)/RPM
Where:
T = torque (in lb-ft)
HP = horsepower
5252 = constant
RPM = revolutions per minute
Example: Two engines produce 200 hp, one at 2000 rpm, and the other at
4000 rpm.
1. T = (HP x 5252)/rpm
T = (200 x 5252)/2000
T = 1050400/2000
T = 525 ft-lbs
2. T = (HP x 5252)/rpm
T = (200 x 5252)/4000
T = 1050400/4000
T = 262 ft-lbs
An easy way to rember is:
Torque is how much work an engine can perform.
Horsepower is how fast the work gets done.
- Mike Chatfield
6717 From: Chris R. <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 10:59am
Subject: Tax Relief Run, YOUR Invitation
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is your invitation to the Tax Relief Run. Last week I went out in
search of the Dunes at the White Tanks with directions I received from
George, which by the way were perfect, only to find a whole lotta 4 wheeling
to do. This looks like a great place. Through our responses it was brought
up to have a little fun run out there on April 15th, thus the name. Please
accept this as your invitation to Join in the fun. If at all possible
please RSVP so that we will know how many to be looking for before we take
off.
Where: Meet at the gas station on Miller Road and I-10.
Time: 8:30a
Bring: Tools, food(for lunch), lots of water, fun attitude
Attendees so far: Chris R., Len, Linda and possibly George
Come an and add you name to the list.
Chris
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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6693 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 9:36pm
Subject: Re: SWB Jeep + V8 + engine driven fan = overheating?
Just tryin' to make me feel better...
WILDCAT
1955 WILLYS CJ3B
Custom Everything
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Maggio
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 8:43 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: SWB Jeep + V8 + engine driven fan = overheating?
didnt even notice it....knew what you meant anway.
I have some additional info on my webpage regarding electric vs. engine
driven fan. Check it out...
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Outback/4485/cooling.html
Larry
> Yes I do......I was too embarrassed after making the mistake to try and
> correct it. Thanks Joe....I think....
********
> > he means outside the shroud...
*******
> > >One thing to note when shrouding your fan, for optimum performance,
3/4"
> > > of the fan blade should be outside the fan........
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6694 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 10:00pm
Subject: FW: How to get more HP?
Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
me.
Well, the TJ is the right height now.
Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except when we go to
the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
I've been adding lately).
I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires, but I need
some recommendations for horsepower.
Here are the options I have been considering:
SVI Supercharger kit
Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
V-8 swap
What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is comparable in
cost to the turbo or supercharger.
I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
improve power for towing.
I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
6695 From: Ken Unterriner <jeep108@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 10:23pm
Subject: Re: 4x4 Nightly chat...
egroups has a chat thing but I never seen anyone use it.Seems like it
would be cool.
Ken
"jesus chio" <jchi-@a...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6691
> Maybe I had never told you all...
>
> At alloffroad.com we have a chat, were we try to be some nights,
personally I'm there every time I can, so if you want to come in and
talk, Ill be glad to meet some of you...
>
> www.alloffroad.com/chat
>
> the instructions are there, and are pretty easy, just wait till the
page loads, type a name and connect =)
>
>
>
> If you want AZ_vjc I can provide you the html code to setup a chat on
your page, so you can get in there and discuss and have fun!
>
> Jesus Chio
> Editor of www.alloffroad.com
> "If its to be, is up to me"
> ICQ # 18428174
>
6696 From: Rick VH <rvanhazel@s...>
Date: Wed Mar 15, 2000 10:44pm
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Ok, heres some flame bait because I'm not too positive on this little
tidbit. From what I understand is that the older 6's had a longer stroke
and smaller bore and the newer ones such as the engines in our TJ's have a
larger bore and shorter stroke.. I was considering the possibilities of
transplanting an older spec (new) crank into my existing 6 banger. This
would of course increase displacement and compression. I'm just not certain
of how much. But if it could be pulled off.. hey, higher compression +
larger displacement = more HP. Course you'd have to run 92 octane gas if
the compression is too high.
I as well did the K&N filter (the tube replacement and not the stock airbox
swap), Walker cat, Supertrapp exhaust, and I personally bored and polished
out the throttle body with the help of a Dremel. I assume you've already
swapped the MAP (mass airflow) sensor. You could also look into a different
cam. I think the only bolt on you have left is the Header. The turbo and
supercharger kits should add a substantial amount of ponies but also cost in
the $3,000 range which would make a v8 swap fesable. Advanced Adapters
should know everything about the swap if you want to go that route. But you
also have to consider the extra power and weight are going to cause many
other problems. So you might have to do a swap on your tranny, tranfercase
and upgrading your front and rear end, especially if you have 30 and 35c.
I put 33's on mine about a year ago and a couple months ago changed the
gearing out to 4:10's. They made a huge difference, I have no problems
getting my rig up to 95 on the freeway in 5th gear. I also have an urge to
race all those lowered hondas that think their race cars around Tempe.. None
of em win by the way. Its funny to see the look on their face when a 4x4
with tires as tall as their car eats them alive. I just know i got my
moneys worth.
rick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:00 PM
> To: Virtual Jeep Club
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: How to get more HP?
>
>
> Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
> me.
>
> Well, the TJ is the right height now.
>
> Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
> We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except
> when we go to
> the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
> Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
> help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
> I've been adding lately).
> I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires,
> but I need
> some recommendations for horsepower.
>
> Here are the options I have been considering:
> SVI Supercharger kit
> Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
> V-8 swap
>
> What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
>
> The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
> me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
> I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is
> comparable in
> cost to the turbo or supercharger.
>
> I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
> improve power for towing.
>
> I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
>
> Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
> Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
6697 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 1:52am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
I worry about doing an engine swap now days, I read an article recently in
one of the off road mags, I forgot which one, and they were describing
California's laws on swaps, they are very strict. While I'm not a
geographical idiot and do realize the difference between here and there, it
does seem to me that whatever California does most other states eventually
follow. Let's suppose for the moment that that's the case, if Arizona gets
as strict, do you think they will do a "grandfather clause" on all exsisting
swaps or come down on everyone?
Hal
93YJ - Tucson
6698 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 5:21am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Don't forget putting a stoker in the 4.0L.
Personally I would try a new cam with the regear before doing any of the
expensive stuff.
Chris Krieg wrote:
>
> Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
> me.
>
> Well, the TJ is the right height now.
>
> Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
> We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except when we go to
> the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
> Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
> help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
> I've been adding lately).
> I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires, but I need
> some recommendations for horsepower.
>
> Here are the options I have been considering:
> SVI Supercharger kit
> Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
> V-8 swap
>
> What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
>
> The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
> me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
> I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is comparable in
> cost to the turbo or supercharger.
>
> I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
> improve power for towing.
>
> I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
>
> Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
> Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> You have a voice mail message waiting for you at iHello.com:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/2377/4/_/1966/_/953186434/
>
> -- Talk to your group with your own voice!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/VoiceChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
--
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Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
6699 From: Mike <mchat@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 6:46am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
If youre considering spending $3000 on a SuperCharger/TurboCharger, then a V-8 engine swap makes a lot more sense. My Jeep originally came with the I6 258, which I believe is virtually the same as the engine in the TJs now (just has a longer stroke). I wanted to swap to a V-8 because of the loss of horsepower at high altitudes (Colorado). The important thing for Az emissions is that you have the same equipment on your V-8 as would be comparable to a SUV that came with a V-8 of the same model year. You can do an engine swap for less than $3000, by purchasing a used engine complete from a wrecking yard. Or you can look at buying a new crate engine from ChevyParts (http://www.chevyparts.com/) depending on the engine you buy, it could be anywhere from $2000 and up, but it will be a brand new, never run engine with a warrantee (not sure of the conditions or length though). There are tons of parts available for hooking up a Chevy V-8 to a Jeep, fairly easy, if you have a standard, with an auto theres a lot more involved. Im running a stock 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears in my CJ, and it will just chug away on the trail, sometimes its idling so slow over rocks that Im surprised it doesnt flame out.
Hope this helps, good luck,
Mike Chatfield
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From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 11:00 PM
To: Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: How to get more HP?
Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
me.
Well, the TJ is the right height now.
Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except when we go to
the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
I've been adding lately).
I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires, but I need
some recommendations for horsepower.
Here are the options I have been considering:
SVI Supercharger kit
Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
V-8 swap
What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is comparable in
cost to the turbo or supercharger.
I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
improve power for towing.
I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
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6700 From: T.J. Gill <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 6:59am
Subject: Tranny woes
good morning all....was wondering if anyone out there knows how to
rebuild a muncie 4 speed....I was coming to work this morning when I
started grinding gears going into 4th....I did a quick check of the
linkage when I got to work (without crawling all the way under) and it
looked alright....thinking maybe syncro gears going/gone.....I just
dumped a fairly large wad into the money pit this past week and not
anxious to part with more (might have to actually tell the wife where
the money has gone) so if anyone can or knows of anyone who can do it
on the cheap, I would greatly appreciate it....thanx in advance for the
help....
TJ
75CJ (Money Pit)
6701 From: Jesus Chio <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 6:58am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Well, my humble opinion....
I have a CJ7, and about a year ago, I got a Brand new 350 Carb Engine, paid around $2000 for it. After using the 258, I just couldn't take it off.! Its a good trail engine, It wont ever give you the HP and torque a Big Small Block V8 will throw....
Well, to be brief, I'm keeping the 350 for a Rock Buggy, and decided to work on the 258, and this is what I have done to it:
Chevy 6L HEi Ignition
4BBL offenhouser Intake
390cfm Holley Carburetor (invested around $100 to make it work great on slopes, still not perfect)
K & N Air filter
About to install a new camshaft and a new double timing chain
Aluminium head cover
Bored the engine too...
With this all, the engine works way better than any other I have seen...
To be true, I had been a Chevy fan since I can remember, the 350 is a good engine, but its has not the best HP/torque/ci relation... I like a lot more the 302 or even the 351w (which is called the best v8 ever made, don't ask why =) )
Maybe I'm not being clear, its just IMO that is worth to five a try to the 258...
Feel free to ask anything, I'm glad to help.!
Jesus Chio
Editor of www.alloffroad.com
"If its to be, is up to me"
ICQ # 18428174
If youre considering spending $3000 on a SuperCharger/TurboCharger, then a V-8 engine swap makes a lot more sense. My Jeep originally came with the I6 258, which I believe is virtually the same as the engine in the TJs now (just has a longer stroke). I wanted to swap to a V-8 because of the loss of horsepower at high altitudes (Colorado). The important thing for Az emissions is that you have the same equipment on your V-8 as would be comparable to a SUV that came with a V-8 of the same model year. You can do an engine swap for less than $3000, by purchasing a used engine complete from a wrecking yard. Or you can look at buying a new crate engine from ChevyParts (http://www.chevyparts.com/) depending on the engine you buy, it could be anywhere from $2000 and up, but it will be a brand new, never run engine with a warrantee (not sure of the conditions or length though). There are tons of parts available for hooking up a Chevy V-8 to a Jeep, fairly easy, if you have a standard, with an auto theres a lot more involved. Im running a stock 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears in my CJ, and it will just chug away on the trail, sometimes its idling so slow over rocks that Im surprised it doesnt flame out.
Hope this helps, good luck,
: [az_vjc] FW: How to get more HP?
Sorry if this comes thru twice, but I think my email system is biffing on
me.
Well, the TJ is the right height now.
Now for the next question. How to get more horsepower.
We use my TJ to tow a popup camper. It does pretty well except when we go to
the Payson area. It really bogs down going up the mountains. I have the
Turbo City bored out throttle body, air tube, and K&N filter. All those
help, but it still is just not enough (especially with all the heavy stuff
I've been adding lately).
I am going to regear to 4:10s to compensate for the larger tires, but I need
some recommendations for horsepower.
Here are the options I have been considering:
SVI Supercharger kit
Turbo City Jeep turbo kit
V-8 swap
What I would like is a what you all think of each of these options.
The supercharger and turbo kits are a fixed price (~$3000 - installable by
me so no labor costs), so I know what I'm getting in to there.
I have no idea the costs surrounding the V-8 swap or if it is comparable in
cost to the turbo or supercharger.
I think the TJ has plenty of power for wheeling. My primary goal is to
improve power for towing.
I hope I have not opened a new can of worms for this list.
Chris K (the other Chris with a '97 TJ)
Blue '97 TJ - Tera Lift
6702 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:04am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Hey Chris,
This is the other Chris with the 97 TJ, and I am jealous as I only have the
4banger. I am also considering many engine mods or an engine swap. As I
have the light duty ax5 transmission it eliminates the opportunity to swap
using my 5 speed. I have checked and rechecked and it may be cheaper to go
with a supercharger. As a former Turbo Charged engine I stay away from
Turbos. They heat up and break alot easier than the superchargers, the life
span is light years shorter. The only way to get a Turbo is if it is water
cooled, still like superchargers better. I will look for the site, but
there is a guy performing a swap using a 5.9 Dodge engine. The original
cost for the engine/tranny cost $2500 from a junkyard and hundreds more to
get the correct wiring harnesses(he has gone though a couple of wrong ones),
and then the cost of relocating the tranny and motor mounts. So far I think
he is at over $4000 and still needs at least another grand. As there are
costs relating to shortning or lengthening the drive shafts, changing the
joints and possible upgrading the axles.
Recently a read an article about someone putting a Rimmer superchager on his
4 banger, then went racing a 6cyl, they were equal up to 50mph then the
4banger smoked him. I think with the supercharger on the 6 will give you
all the power you will need. I have heard good and bad stories about Rimmer
as a company.
Another option would be to check into Jacobs Electronics ignition kits.
These will run under a grand and reported increases of around 10% in HP and
even more in torque. I have a name and number of someone there you can talk
with if you are interested in getting exact numbers.
Just my thoughts.
Chris
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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6703 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:19am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Just wanted to correct you on one point - theres a difference of almost 65 hp on the newer 4.0 (180 hp) when compared to the carbureted 258 (117 hp). I believe the current 4.0 has more hp than any of the V8's that were offered in the stock CJ's. A header, high flow cat, and catback setup combined with a high flow K&n should give you around 200 hp. With the right gears theres plenty of power IMO.
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6704 From: Jesus Chio <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:25am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Take a look here (http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/Engine.html) you will find lots of tricks and how to's to upgrade a 258...
Scott might be right... I don't know how many HP I will be getting after all my swap, but I'm sure it will be around 180, maybe the 200 HP, (less than 1k invested on the engine) which is not bad at all...
What I do love from those 258s is the low end torque, you can climb up on the rocks without speeding up or having to push the gas, and man, that's nice!
(http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/engine/) take a time to see the Jeep factory engine options, you can get some ideas from there too...
Have a good weekend you all (yes, today starts my weekend, isn't it cool? q8) )
Jesus Chio
Editor of www.alloffroad.com
"If its to be, is up to me"
ICQ # 18428174
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Just wanted to correct you on one point - theres a difference of almost 65 hp on the newer 4.0 (180 hp) when compared to the carbureted 258 (117 hp). I believe the current 4.0 has more hp than any of the V8's that were offered in the stock CJ's. A header, high flow cat, and catback setup combined with a high flow K&n should give you around 200 hp. With the right gears theres plenty of power IMO.
Scott
6705 From: Mike Pawlowski <mike.pawlowski@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 7:34am
Subject: Re: Tranny woes
Well,
There is a little light at the end of the tunnel. If it is JUST a syncro,
until you DO rebuild it....Just DOuble CLutch it into 4th. It shouldn't
grind and it will be just like driving a 4Spd out of an OLD car...hehehe
From what I've heard, a rebuild kit is about $175.00 and Is somewhat
straight-forward for muncies.....
Hope This Helps,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "T.J. Gill" <ice626@h...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 7:59 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Tranny woes
> good morning all....was wondering if anyone out there knows how to
> rebuild a muncie 4 speed....I was coming to work this morning when I
> started grinding gears going into 4th....I did a quick check of the
> linkage when I got to work (without crawling all the way under) and it
> looked alright....thinking maybe syncro gears going/gone.....I just
> dumped a fairly large wad into the money pit this past week and not
> anxious to part with more (might have to actually tell the wife where
> the money has gone) so if anyone can or knows of anyone who can do it
> on the cheap, I would greatly appreciate it....thanx in advance for the
> help....
>
> TJ
> 75CJ (Money Pit)
>
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6706 From: <MSA12171@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 2:32am
Subject: Muncie 4-speed rebuild
I accidentally deleted someone's message on building a Muncie 4-speed. I can
get it done very well for very cheap. I work for a dealer and one of the
guys will do it. E-mail back whoever it was.
Mike
6707 From: <ZJDreams@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 2:50am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Doh! I keep sending emails to individual people rather than the
group...anyways here it is:
As someone mentioned before I would check into a stroker kit for the 4.0. I
believe Clifford Performance and HESCO both make one. On the jacobs
electronics tip, don't to it!! I put the omni magnum on my 4.0 and it was a
complete waste of time, no increase in mileage and it didn't feel like i had
more power either. I've heard the same story from a lot of people.
Jeff Gully
6708 From: Chris R. <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 8:37am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
I think we have all lost our heads here or am I missing something. It just
occured to me that the original message requested help getting more power to
tow, correct? Well then why are we talking about HP isn't it Torque that
provides the power to tow?
Chris
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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6709 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 8:39am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
Combination of torque and horse power. Depends on how fast you want to go
uphill, how much weight you are towing, gears, and in Arizona-cooling system.
Also, don't forget about breaking power. All things are involved but money is
the question. If you want to go the speed limit it will take horse power.
Bob
"Chris R." wrote:
> I think we have all lost our heads here or am I missing something. It just
> occured to me that the original message requested help getting more power to
> tow, correct? Well then why are we talking about HP isn't it Torque that
> provides the power to tow?
>
> Chris
> My1stJeep@excite.com
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6710 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 8:43am
Subject: Re: Tire Help!
At that price with a warranty you probably couldn't go wrong. Cooper has been around along time.
Bob
Keith Orr wrote:
Hello Gang,
A local Dealer here in Safford is running a huge sale on some MT's and
AT's. They are a 6 ply tire with an attractive look, and a heavy deep
aggressive tread pattern. They are made by Cooper Tire. I have never run
Cooper tires before, so I am a little shy to buy. The tires run = 31x10.50,
32x11.50, 33x12.50's. The price through out the tires is = $69.00 per tire
plus tax. Mounting and balance is 6.00 per tire. The warranty is equal to
BFG's MT's. I know that the price is very reasonable, but I have no
knowledge of the life and performance of this tire. I would appreciate any
help in this matter if possible.
Thanks,
Casper
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6711 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 9:01am
Subject: Re: [ Mar 18th Crown King Trip]
Michael Chatfield wrote:
>
> The runners for the 50 Mile are starting off very early in the morning
> (3 am) The runners for the 50k are starting at 7am. We are supposed to
> "meet" at the Gas station at 8:30, which means we'll probably roll out
> about 9. Once at the trail head, we'll need to air-down and lock-in,
> which means we'll probably be leaving the trail head around 10. If we
> stop at Fort Misery for lunch, around noon, it will be 3 - 3:30 by the
> time we get to Crown King, assuming no one has problems.
>
> Last year, according to thier website, the majority of runners
> completed before 3 pm, with a handfull of straglers coming in up to
> 5pm. As long as we don't make it a race to get up the mountain
> ourselves, we should be able to share the trail with the straggling
> runners that we will catch up with.
>
> Thoughts?
My opinion is that you should run something else on Saturday, or run
Crown King on Sunday.
Barring that, if you pushed your timetable back 2 hours, and hit the
trail at noon instead of 10AM, I don't think you would have as many
problems, and still wouldn't get up there too late.
I don't think that you will have any trouble, or cause any trouble, in
any case. It just seems that since this is a one-time-a-year kinda
thing it would be nice to try and steer clear of it.
6712 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 9:13am
Subject: Re: FW: How to get more HP?
The difference is where the horsepower is made. The older 258's made
thier power at a lower RPM than the new 4.0's. The 4.0 might have more
HP than the stock 304 V-8 (I don't have references here to look it up),
however, the 304 was not the only V-8 offered. There were 343, 360 and
401's. A stock Chevy 350 will put about 250 hp out, but at a lower,
more usable (offroad) RPM. I dunno about you, but I don't go blasting
around the countryside at 3/4 to full throttle. That goes against
everthing "Tread-Lightly" represents. You can put fuel
injection/larger carbs, cams, manifolds, headers, super-charger/turbo-c
harger, etc.. on any engine, but there's no substitute for cubes (cubic
inches).
Mike
scott kruize <osmt-@y...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6703
>
> Just wanted to correct you on one point - theres a difference of
almost 65 hp on the newer 4.0 (180 hp) when compared to the carbureted
258 (117 hp). I believe the current 4.0 has more hp than any of the
V8's that were offered in the stock CJ's. A header, high flow cat, and
catback setup combined with a high flow K&n should give you around 200
hp. With the right gears theres plenty of power IMO.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
6713 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 9:27am
Subject: Re: [ Mar 18th Crown King Trip]
Dave Reinken wrote:
> My opinion is that you should run something else on Saturday, or run
> Crown King on Sunday.
> <snip>
I agree. Keep in mind that the running event is a competition for
(at least some of) the participants. And they most likely will
have to share the trail with others who are unaware of their event
(including bikers, ATC'ers, 4x4'ers, hunters, etc.). If you were
participating in some "official-like organized event", wouldn't you
prefer others to avoid using the trail? Surely you all can find
another trail to do. Like I always say...
So many trails, so little time.
Just my 2 cents.
-Roger
6714 From: Sullivan, Len <LSULLIV@C...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 9:39am
Subject: Re: [ Mar 18th Crown King Trip]
Just a wild thought here.........why not contact the people organizing the
running event and ask them? They may prefer to have the trail clear, but
then again if they know that a CAREFUL and SLOW group of 4 wheelers will be
following the runners it might be a good thing - give rides to exhausted
runners, etc
Len Sullivan
Vendor Direct Transmissions
and Faxstar Operations Coordinator
CSK Automotive, Inc.
602.631.7845
mailto:lsulliv@c...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 10:28 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ Mar 18th Crown King Trip]
>
> Dave Reinken wrote:
> > My opinion is that you should run something else on Saturday, or run
> > Crown King on Sunday.
> > <snip>
>
> I agree. Keep in mind that the running event is a competition for
> (at least some of) the participants. And they most likely will
> have to share the trail with others who are unaware of their event
> (including bikers, ATC'ers, 4x4'ers, hunters, etc.). If you were
> participating in some "official-like organized event", wouldn't you
> prefer others to avoid using the trail? Surely you all can find
> another trail to do. Like I always say...
>
> So many trails, so little time.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> -Roger
>
>
6715 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 10:01am
Subject: [Fwd: FWD: News Release-- Recreationists Blast Green Lawsuit]
FYI
Linda
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:22:38 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: FWD: News Release-- Recreationists Blast Green Lawsuit
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
Please see the press release below regarding a lawsuit filed by environmental organizations against the BLM--California Desert District. A copy of the environmental groups' press release is pasted below the Blue Ribbon Coalition's release:
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Date: 3/15/0 5:35 PM
From: Donald C. Amador
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From: Donald C. Amador, 112531,1311
TO: Agenmedia, INTERNET:brdon_a@sharetrails.org
DATE: 3/15/00 4:31 PM
RE: Copy of: News Release-- Recreationists Blast Green Lawsuit
BLUE RIBBON COALITION, INC.
NEWS RELEASE
RELEASE DATE: March 16, 2000
Contact: Don Amador
Phone: 925.625.6287
RECREATIONISTS SAY GREEN LAWSUIT TO CLOSE DESERT EXPOSES
ANTI-ACCESS AGENDA OF EXTREMIST ECO-GROUPS
POCATELLO, ID -- The Blue Ribbon Coalition, a national umbrella group of
multiple-use recreationists, is
concerned about the green lawsuit filed today against the Bureau of Land
Management (BLM). These types of
lawsuits designed to close millions of acres of federal lands to general
public access have been filed throughout the
West by extreme preservationist groups who have a land-closure agenda.
Not long ago, over 10 million acres of the California desert were closed to
the general public by the ill-advised
California Desert Protection Act. A scheme foisted on Californians by
enviros to supposedly “protect” wildlife and
critical habitat for the next millennium. Now these same groups say they
want another closure of the same
magnitude.
Many multiple-use recreation groups say that closures and locked-gates are
really non-management options that
do not benefit either the resource or the public.
Rather than commend the BLM and user groups who have worked hard to protect
natural resources in the California
Desert Conservation Area, this lawsuit appears to club the agency and
publics who recreate in, and care for, the
desert.
According to Ron Schiller, president of the High Desert Multiple-Use
Coalition, “How long will the general public
put up with this sort of tactics that only serves to alienate a growing
number of users and residents in California who
enjoy their public lands?”
“I am actually glad to see the greens file this suit because it shows the
whole world just how extreme their position is
when it comes to the intelligent use of our natural resources. This suit
is an insult to all of us who live or recreate in
the deserts of California.” Schiller concludes.
Don Amador, the western regional representative for the Blue Ribbon
Coalition, states, “From the shovel brigades
at Jarbidge Nevada to the rally this weekend near Fresno by local residents
against President Clinton’s plan to close
400,000 acres of the Sequoia National Forest to multiple-use, a lot of
folks are standing up for their access rights and
against the green agenda of the Clinton/Gore administration and their
buddies in the so-called environmental
movement.”
“I would urge the green community to try and work with those of us who want
to protect our natural resources while
enjoying them at the same time. They might be better served if they join
some of the recreation groups during one of
the many clean-up projects that are held each year in the desert.” Amador
concludes.
- 30 -
The Blue Ribbon Coalition is a national 501 (c) (3) non-profit recreation
group that champions responsible
multiple-use on public lands. It represents over 800 businesses and
organizations with 600,000 members.
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The Center for Biological Diversity
Protecting and restoring the west's deserts, rivers, forests, and wildlife.
Tucson * San Diego * Phoenix * Berkeley * Silver City
News Release Thursday 3/16/2000
MAJOR ENDANGERED SPECIES LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST U.S. BUREAU OF LAND
MANAGEMENT COVERING 10.2 MILLION ACRE CALIF. DESERT CONSERVATION AREA.
BLM MISMANAGEMENT IMPERILS DESERT TORTOISE, PENINSULAR BIGHORN SHEEP, INYO
CALIFORNIA TOWHEE & TWENTY-ONE OTHER ENDANGERED SPECIES.
Contact: Daniel Patterson, Desert Ecologist, Center for Biological
Diversity 520.623.5252x307 or 906.2159
Peter Galvin, Conservation Biologist, Center for Biological Diversity
510.848.0812 x 2
Elden Hughes, Chair, Sierra Club California/Nevada Desert Committee
562.941.5306
Brendan Cummings, Attorney 510.848.5486
SAN FRANCISCO -- A coalition of environmental groups led by the
Tucson-based Center for Biological Diversity, and including Sierra Club and
Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER), filed a major
lawsuit today against the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in federal
district court.
The coalition charges in the suit that the BLM has violated the Endangered
Species Act (ESA) by failing to analyze the effects to endangered species
of the implementation of the 1980 California Desert Conservation Area
(CDCA) plan which guides the management of the over 10.2 million acre
conservation area.
Congress designated the CDCA in 1976 and directed BLM to plan for
conservation and protection of wildlife habitat. The CDCA Plan was issued
in 1980. Unfortunately, BLM has never fully implemented conservation
sections of the plan or properly considered the plan's overall effects on
threatened and endangered species.
The CDCA stretches over 400 miles from the US-Mexico border to Death Valley
and the foothills of the Sierra Nevada. The CDCA includes some of the
California desert's most scenic areas in Imperial, San Diego, Los Angeles,
Riverside, San Bernardino, Kern, Inyo and Mono counties.
At stake is the survival and recovery of at least 24 threatened and
endangered species and their habitat in southern California's Mojave and
Sonoran deserts.
"Many of these species were not listed when the CDCA plan was written, and
therefore the effects of the plan on them have never been looked at with
the biological scrutiny required under the law." explains Daniel Patterson,
an ecologist with the Center for Biological Diversity who formerly worked
on species recovery with BLM in the Mojave desert. "Rare desert plants and
animals are suffering as BLM keeps its eyes closed."
The desert tortoise is a key species for recovery of California's fragile
desert lands. Thriving on Earth for 67 million years, tortoises have been
decimated in just over 100 years by livestock grazing, mining, off road
vehicles, utility projects, and urban sprawl.
"BLM has helped push the tortoise to the edge of extinction. The tortoise
has waited a decade for BLM to start setting things right. That's too long
to wait." says Elden Hughes, a longtime desert champion with the Sierra
Club.
The Peninsular Ranges bighorn sheep, Inyo California towhee, Desert
pupfish, and rare plants like the Peirson's milkvetch and Cushenberry
buckwheat also are mandated significantly more protection under the law
than BLM has been offering.
At the heart of the suit is the BLMs failures under the ESA to fully
consider and mitigate effects on species of habitat harming activities as
allowed in land use plans.
"BLM managers have ignored the repeated recommendations of their own
biologists to reduce impacts from grazing, mining and off-road vehicles,"
explains Jeff Ruch, executive director of Public Employees for
Environmental Responsibility. "This suit is the only means to induce BLM to
faithfully execute their environmental duties."
The Center for Biological Diversity is a 5,000 member science based
environmental advocacy organization based in Tucson, Arizona. CBD was
formed in 1989 and has offices in San Diego and Berkeley, California,
Phoenix, Arizona, and Silver City, New Mexico. This legal action is a part
of the Center's Golden State Biodiversity Initiative.
Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) is a 10,000 member
national alliance of local, state and federal resource professionals. PEER
is based in Washington DC with field representatives operating across the
U.S.
The Sierra Club, headquartered in San Francisco, has over 600,000 members
nationwide and over 100,000 in California. Sierra Club has existed to
explore, enjoy, and protect the wild places of the earth since being
founded by John Muir in 1892. The Sierra Club was the lead activist
organization in the 10-year campaign to pass the California Desert
Protection Act of 1994.
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6716 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 10:09am
Subject: Re: How to get more HP?
There were some questions concerning Hp vs Torque, I hope this helps
clear things up.
Calculating Torque:
The amount of torque a motor produces at rated power and engine speed
can be found by using a horsepower-to-torque conversion chart. To
calculate torque, apply this formula:
T = (HP x 5252)/RPM
Where:
T = torque (in lb-ft)
HP = horsepower
5252 = constant
RPM = revolutions per minute
Example: Two engines produce 200 hp, one at 2000 rpm, and the other at
4000 rpm.
1. T = (HP x 5252)/rpm
T = (200 x 5252)/2000
T = 1050400/2000
T = 525 ft-lbs
2. T = (HP x 5252)/rpm
T = (200 x 5252)/4000
T = 1050400/4000
T = 262 ft-lbs
An easy way to rember is:
Torque is how much work an engine can perform.
Horsepower is how fast the work gets done.
- Mike Chatfield
6717 From: Chris R. <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2000 10:59am
Subject: Tax Relief Run, YOUR Invitation
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Here is your invitation to the Tax Relief Run. Last week I went out in
search of the Dunes at the White Tanks with directions I received from
George, which by the way were perfect, only to find a whole lotta 4 wheeling
to do. This looks like a great place. Through our responses it was brought
up to have a little fun run out there on April 15th, thus the name. Please
accept this as your invitation to Join in the fun. If at all possible
please RSVP so that we will know how many to be looking for before we take
off.
Where: Meet at the gas station on Miller Road and I-10.
Time: 8:30a
Bring: Tools, food(for lunch), lots of water, fun attitude
Attendees so far: Chris R., Len, Linda and possibly George
Come an and add you name to the list.
Chris
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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