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6442 From: Rick VH <rvanhazel@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Got Into An Accident ...
As the old saying goes..
"If you cant stop in time.. Smile as you go under."
Big Grin,
Rick VH
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 9:21 PM
To: wirch@mindless.com; AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Got Into An Accident ...
I like how the hitch impaled the radiator. That'll teach her to stop at the sign, lol
Scott
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6443 From: Ken Unterriner <jeep108@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 10:21pm
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
taking the shifter boot works pretty good for heat too.
Ken
"t.j. nosmo-king" <ice62-@h...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6434
> so thats how I've been able to keep her out of it.....do the holes in
the
> fire wall where pedals, wires etc. go thru letting heat from the
engine in
> count????...if so, then I do have one of them thar new fangled
heatin'
> units...... :)
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6444 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 5:31am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
I thought all the holes in the floor boards pulling heat off of the headers was
the "heater"!!?? Was I wrong all these years???? ;-)
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Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
Chris Radcoon wrote:
> It is this really cool, or hot depending on how you look at it, feature
> installed in most vehicles. When you turn in it on, you can select the
> tempature to your liking and it will heat up the vehicle, inside only, to
> your liking. You can reduce the temp if it begins to get to warm. It is
> the opposite of air conditioning. It works much the same way your house
> heating and cooling system works. It is also only necessary when your wife
> is carpooling with you to work.
>
> Chris
6445 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 5:37am
Subject: Re: Fwd: 4X4 MEETING
I'm really not trying to be a jerk on this (I mean this in the best way
possible) but, I'm having a hard time understanding how you can argue with
this. IT WORKS!!!! Whatever the case may be, if you lift one tire and rotate
it, the driveshaft turns the number of times of the ratio. Thousands of people
have done it and it works!! How can you disagree with that? Have you tried it
yourself yet?
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Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
sinanturel@y... wrote:
> Hum, Lets see the spider gears(pinion) rotates around the side
> gears,
> and there is a ratio here, it is not one to one(1:1)
>
> What I am trying to get at here is for a open diff if you spin one tire
> one revolution, and the ring and pinion ratio is 3.08:1, then the
> driveshaft will not turn a little over 3 times, you are leaving out
> the ratio of the spider gears(pinion) to the side gears.
>
> Try it and do the math you will see.
>
>
> jay eller <four_by_nu-@n...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6416
> > Not quite. With an open diff, you leave the opposite side tire on the
> > ground. It won't turn that way. Therefore you don't need a buddy or
> really
> > long arms. If you have the entire rearend in the air and you have an
> open
> > diff, then yes, someone does have to turn the other tire. But with
> one on
> > the ground it solves that problem. Also, somone asked about the
> spiders or
> > pinion and that I might be leaving something out. The spider gears
> are a
> > wash since they are all the same size and there is one on the other
> side. As
> > for the pinioin, that is half of what is making the ratio. It IS
> included in
> > this method. You'd have to see one in operation to understand. Take
> my word
> > for it, this method works. I and MANY others have done it. It's a
> great
> > junk yard check when your looking for a new axle and can't read the
> tags on
> > the axle.
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6446 From: shane hoffmeyer <saboteur@t...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 5:49am
Subject: Rockcrawling Championships Attn: Tom Lee
Hey Tom, Shane here. Didn't know your e-mail so I just posted to the whole group. You going to the Championships this
weekend??? Me, Cal, and Mike will be there. We're heading up today and will be there until late sunday afternoon.
If you come out look for Mike's Land Shark YJ, Cal's red hacked out CJ-5 "monster jeep", and my primer black toyota
pickup. We're planning on doing some night wheeling and probably a run on sunday. Hope you can make it.
shane
6447 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 6:08am
Subject: Map to Rockcrawling Championship
Here it is! Friday's event was posted last night to the American Rock Crawlers Association website.
http://www.rockcrawler.org/
Just click on Goodyear, and then Phoenix.
See you all out there! I'll be there Friday and Saturday.
Scott Kruize - OSM TJ
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6448 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 6:31am
Subject: Broken Arrow
Tricia and I are going to Sedona tomorrow to do Broken Arrow. Yes, I know,
everyone else is going to the ARCA event. Wish I were too! But, if there is
anyone left with a Jeep and a longing for Broken Arrow, let me know. I
would love to go with someone who has been before..
Probably leaving at about 7AM Saturday. We are taking dogs and may stay
overnight (motel).
Jon
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6449 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 6:57am
Subject: Re: Got Into An Accident ...
Maybe those Bavarians should stick to making blenders or other in house
products. LOL
Glad to hear the Jeep is A OK. Good old American Iron!!!!!!!!!
Chris
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6450 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 0:14am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
thats what I thought until everyone started talking about switches and
adjustable temperatures...what will modern jeepers think of next???
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6451 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:23am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
Now that I am sure that we all understand the concept, my question still
remains about the amount of water dripping off. I feel it is a considerable
amount, it creates a puddle about 1 1/2' across under the TJ on flat ground.
Is this too much? Is it normal?
Thanks for all your true and funny comments.
Chris
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6452 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:34am
Subject: Fw: [JEEP-L] T-Case for sale - Jeep needs a new pair of shoes
I had a question on my post - so to clarify - the NV231 I have for sale has
a shortened stock output shaft, which was shortened to accommodate an RE
(Rubicon Express) SYE (Slip Yoke Eliminator) and CV driveshaft. The SYE and
CV were sold separately, but the t-case's output shaft is cut, drilled
tapped and ready to go for a SYE.
A SYE allows for a longer rear driveshaft w/ a CV (constant velocity) joint
on the T-Case end. This allows for a greater lift w/o diveline vibration.
I ran the T-Case w/ the RE kit for about a year - worked great - but when I
installed an Atlas, I replaced it w/ a longer rear shaft.
Doug
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To: Jeep-L <jeep-l@m...>; Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 7:15 AM
Subject: [JEEP-L] T-Case for sale - Jeep needs a new pair of shoes
> I need money honey...Jeep needs a new pair of shoes, so I've dropped the
> price (blue light special) on an NV231 Transfer Case, w/ only 22,500 miles
> on it - from a 98 TJ - used on only the BEST trails - ran it w/ semi
synth.
> Dexron III ATF. It has a shortened output shaft for a RE SYE and CV
> driveshaft. Perfect condition, w/ linkage and shifter.
>
> $400, plus shipping (if necessary)
>
> Doug
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6453 From: Mike Pawlowski <mike.pawlowski@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:40am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
Chris,
The first thing you have to do is assertain if it is JUST water, or
antifreeze. If it is only water, than no worries. If it is antifreeze, I'd
check the fittings around the heater core (Better Yet, if it is under
warranty, let the dealer do it). Also see if it is coming from the
evaporator area. There usually is a little flexible rubber hose-like drain
on the bottom of them. See if that is where it is coming from. But being as
humid as it has been around our wet season, I can see the amount of
condensation your experiencing being normal.
Mike Pawlowski
90 Chevy Z-71 (Wannabe 4x4)
81 Chevy K-5 Blazer
2000 TJ Soooon (Its all Stu's fault)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Radcoon" <My1stJeep@e...>
To: "Mike Pawlowski" <mike.pawlowski@s...>; <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
> Now that I am sure that we all understand the concept, my question still
> remains about the amount of water dripping off. I feel it is a
considerable
> amount, it creates a puddle about 1 1/2' across under the TJ on flat
ground.
> Is this too much? Is it normal?
>
> Thanks for all your true and funny comments.
> Chris
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6454 From: Mike Pawlowski <mike.pawlowski@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:53am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
Chris,
Nope, went to Coconino High in Flagstaff....:)
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Radcoon" <My1stJeep@e...>
To: "Mike Pawlowski" <mike.pawlowski@s...>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
> Thanks for the info. Sound like all is well, it feels like water, has no
> color or sweat smell. Good thing as the warranty is toast.
>
> By the way did you go to DVHS?
>
> Chris
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:40:18 -0700, Mike Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > The first thing you have to do is assertain if it is JUST water, or
> > antifreeze. If it is only water, than no worries. If it is antifreeze,
> I'd
> > check the fittings around the heater core (Better Yet, if it is under
> > warranty, let the dealer do it). Also see if it is coming from the
> > evaporator area. There usually is a little flexible rubber hose-like
> drain
> > on the bottom of them. See if that is where it is coming from. But
being
> as
> > humid as it has been around our wet season, I can see the amount of
> > condensation your experiencing being normal.
> >
> > Mike Pawlowski
> > 90 Chevy Z-71 (Wannabe 4x4)
> > 81 Chevy K-5 Blazer
> > 2000 TJ Soooon (Its all Stu's fault)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Radcoon" <My1stJeep@e...>
> > To: "Mike Pawlowski" <mike.pawlowski@s...>;
> <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
> >
> >
> > > Now that I am sure that we all understand the concept, my question
> still
> > > remains about the amount of water dripping off. I feel it is a
> > considerable
> > > amount, it creates a puddle about 1 1/2' across under the TJ on flat
> > ground.
> > > Is this too much? Is it normal?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your true and funny comments.
> > > Chris
> >
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6455 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:59am
Subject: Rubicon Jeep Jamboree
For the $265 per adult, what does that cover? Food, lodging, what???
Chris
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6456 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:03am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
My XJ ('98) ALWAYS has a big puddle under it after having run the A/C, even in
the summers when the humidity is really low. A puddle of 1 1/2' accross sounds
about like mine. I would imagine that if you ran the defroster and it was
de-humidifying the really humid air that we have had with all of the rain then
the puddle could easily be as large as you say. But as long as it doesn't
stink, look red, look black, and has no taste, then it is probably water from
the compressor.
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83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
Chris Radcoon wrote:
> Now that I am sure that we all understand the concept, my question still
> remains about the amount of water dripping off. I feel it is a considerable
> amount, it creates a puddle about 1 1/2' across under the TJ on flat ground.
> Is this too much? Is it normal?
>
> Thanks for all your true and funny comments.
> Chris
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6457 From: Chris Radcoon <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:21am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
Most likely they will start using the heat from the engine to boil eggs? Or
for AC you might think of taking that cold mother in-law along. Might drop
the temp a few degrees. LOL
Chris
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6458 From: josh ragan <joshragan@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:31am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
If it is water (condensation) I would not worry. If
it were antifreeze or oil I would worry. I have had
puddle this size before. If the air and heat work I
would not worry. Any dealer would tell you the same I
am sure(had a buddy take his 2000 to a dealer thinking
it was a problem). Depending on the temperature and
humidity you will see a larger or smaller puddle.
--- Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...> wrote:
> Now that I am sure that we all understand the
> concept, my question still
> remains about the amount of water dripping off. I
> feel it is a considerable
> amount, it creates a puddle about 1 1/2' across
> under the TJ on flat ground..
> Is this too much? Is it normal?
>
> Thanks for all your true and funny comments..
> Chris
>
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6459 From: Pete <wirch@m...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:36am
Subject: Limited Articulation
This is just part of an article I read in Four Wheeler Magazine today
and I though that it was rather touching so I am going to share it with
the group since I think we all feel the same way and it's just one more
reason to fight for our rights and the rights of others:
Limited Articulation - by Mark Williams
If there's one thing four-wheelers are good at, it's getting over
obstacles thrown in their way. Jeff Lyall, from Catawba, Virginia, is
a perfect example. Jeff sent us a letter explaining that he was in a
car accident in 1991, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. "I
was and still am an avid outdoorsman who likes to hike, backpack, camp,
hunt, and fish," he write. Most of his activities before the accident
were done in the national forests around Virginia and North Carolina.
However, after the accident, he soon discovered a wheelchair was a
relatively poor off-highway vehicle.
Undeterred, Jeff modified a CJ that became his new legs and feet,
"giving me access to the outdoors again," Jeff states. Recently,
however, and not long after he built his Jeep, Jeff discovered many of
the roads on the national forest land he loved so much were being
closed. "Anyone can use these roads year-round to hike, backpack, ride
mountain bikes, and so forth, but because my feet...have four wheels
and a motor, I'm denied access. If that's not discrimination on the
basis of a disability by an agency of the federal government on what is
supposed to be public land, I don't know what is," Jeff writes.
He continues: "Since these roads represent the only access to the
national forest public lands by a mibility-challended person, this is,
in effect, a federal policy of discrimination against an estimated 54
million-person community." His story becomes especially interesting in
light of recent federal policies restricting and/or eliminating
previously open roads on public national forest land.
What we should admire about Jeff (and obviously there are many things)
is that when life threw a huge obstacle in his path, he just shifted
into low range and found a way around. From what I know about our
sport, there is a little bit of Jeff in al of us as we deal with the
specific challenges in our local areas. Although it is tough,
persistence usually wins the day.
United States Forest Service (USFS) Chief, Mr. Mike Dombeck
(202/205-1161)
USFS National Recreation Director, Mr. Jim Bedwell (202/205-1406)
Head of National Forest Civil Rights Division, Mrs. Selma Floyd
(202/205-1585)
Blue Ribbon Coalition (800/BLUERIB, www.sharetrails.com)
United Four Wheel Drive Association (800/44UFWDA, www.ufwda.org)
UFWDA legislative council, Carla Boucher (757/482-4474,
LegisAdvoc@U...)
6460 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:40am
Subject: Leaky Jeep thread wins
I must say, the leaking jeep thread has had more responses and replies than
the topic of lift a couple of weeks ago. Enough already, my garage is full
of water.
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jloveless@e...
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6461 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:47am
Subject: Re: Limited Articulation
Great article, Pete. I noticed Dombeck's name at the bottom and a few others. Does this mean that he/they received copies of the article? If not, I am going to send them a copy.
Jon
At 10:36 AM 3/10/2000 -0800, Pete wrote:
This is just part of an article I read in Four Wheeler Magazine today
and I though that it was rather touching so I am going to share it with
the group since I think we all feel the same way and it's just one more
reason to fight for our rights and the rights of others:
Limited Articulation - by Mark Williams
If there's one thing four-wheelers are good at, it's getting over
obstacles thrown in their way. Jeff Lyall, from Catawba, Virginia, is
a perfect example. Jeff sent us a letter explaining that he was in a
car accident in 1991, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. "I
was and still am an avid outdoorsman who likes to hike, backpack, camp,
hunt, and fish," he write. Most of his activities before the accident
were done in the national forests around Virginia and North Carolina.
However, after the accident, he soon discovered a wheelchair was a
relatively poor off-highway vehicle.
Undeterred, Jeff modified a CJ that became his new legs and feet,
"giving me access to the outdoors again," Jeff states. Recently,
however, and not long after he built his Jeep, Jeff discovered many of
the roads on the national forest land he loved so much were being
closed. "Anyone can use these roads year-round to hike, backpack, ride
mountain bikes, and so forth, but because my feet...have four wheels
and a motor, I'm denied access. If that's not discrimination on the
basis of a disability by an agency of the federal government on what is
supposed to be public land, I don't know what is," Jeff writes.
He continues: "Since these roads represent the only access to the
national forest public lands by a mibility-challended person, this is,
in effect, a federal policy of discrimination against an estimated 54
million-person community." His story becomes especially interesting in
light of recent federal policies restricting and/or eliminating
previously open roads on public national forest land.
What we should admire about Jeff (and obviously there are many things)
is that when life threw a huge obstacle in his path, he just shifted
into low range and found a way around. From what I know about our
sport, there is a little bit of Jeff in al of us as we deal with the
specific challenges in our local areas. Although it is tough,
persistence usually wins the day.
United States Forest Service (USFS) Chief, Mr. Mike Dombeck
(202/205-1161)
USFS National Recreation Director, Mr. Jim Bedwell (202/205-1406)
Head of National Forest Civil Rights Division, Mrs. Selma Floyd
(202/205-1585)
Blue Ribbon Coalition (800/BLUERIB, www.sharetrails.com)
United Four Wheel Drive Association (800/44UFWDA, www.ufwda.org)
UFWDA legislative council, Carla Boucher (757/482-4474,
LegisAdvoc@UFWDA.ORG)
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6462 From: Rick Buddrus <buddrus@f...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 11:06am
Subject: Re: Limited Articulation and Roadless
Pete, thanks for sharing the article. It is sometimes necessary for us
to read something like this to keep us going on the "Roadless Issue"
and our (and Jeff's) right to recreate on OUR Forests. I know some of
us beat this horse to death and it certainly is not as much fun as
figuring our "ratios" or chasing the elusive "puddle" (by the way, I
have a 98TJ and yes it quite frequently sweats)but it is necessary that
we all stay vigilant on the issue. The following e-mail text was sent
to me several days ago and I thought everyone might appreciate it.
Please keep in mind though, this article was not fabricated as a joke,
these people (I speak of the EW's) are dead serious about what they do
and are determined to keep YOU out of THEIR Forests. If you ever doubt
it, just check in with our friends, down here in Tucson, at the
"CENTER".
Enough Said.
RB
Text Follows.....................
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
The Forest Service road and transportation policy proposal has been
published in the federal register; information on that issue will be
forthcoming. It is very important that outdoor recreationists
participate in that process because the Forest Service is under extreme
pressure to minimize
access and mechanized recreation.
The article below captures the concerns and frustrations that many are
experiening with the process the current Administration has engaged to
determine how people will access Forest Service public lands in the
future.
TH
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http(http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/news5-03072000.htm)://www.
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hingtontimes.com/national/news5-03072000.htm
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/news5-03072000.htm)March 7,
2000
Forest Service proposal sees people as problem
By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Walking through the forest is harmful to the environment, according
to a proposed rule by the Forest Service that critics say would restrict
public access through the nation's forests.
"Unwanted or nonnative plant species can be transported on vehicles
and clothing by users of [forest] roads, ultimately displacing native
species,"said the proposal printed Friday in the Federal Register.
The proposed regulation would establish guidelines for how the
agency manages its transportation system and sets maintenance and new
road-building priorities. However critics say the broad language could
halt all future road building.
"These people want to return the forest to the conditions existing
before Europeans landed on the continent," said Sen. Frank H. Murkowski,
Alaska Republican and chairman of the Energy and Natural Resources
Committee.
The agency's proposal said that traveling through the forests harms the
ground and the animals living there, so some roads should be closed and
greater balance given between public access and environmental concerns
when deciding if a new road should be built.
"Roads allow people to travel into previously difficult or
impossible to access areas, resulting in indirect impacts such as
ground and
habitat disturbance, increased pressure on wildlife species, increased
litter,
sanitation needs and vandalism, and increased frequency of human-caused
fires," the proposal said.
Sen. Larry E. Craig, chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural
Resources subcommittee on forests and public land management, said his
concern was that an injection of new-age thinking in forest management
would result in ice-age management.
"I, for one, am reluctant to spend my next visit to a national
forest sleeping in a cave, merely to assure that we are replicating
pre-settlement conditions," the Idaho Republican said in a written
statement.
If the proposal becomes a regulation, it would make it nearly
impossible to build new roads to access the forests, critics said.
"Even if it is implemented with the rule of reason, the language of
the rule is so amorphous that anyone who wants to stop a road from being
built has more than enough ammunition to do it," said Mark Rey, a senior
staffer for the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee.
"In the hands of litigators, these regulations could be the road to
ruin for our national forests," Mr. Rey said.
According to the Forest Service, recreation use has climbed to an
all-time high of 13.6 million vehicles per day on forest roads.
The proposal would "shift the emphasis from transportation development
to managing environmentally sound access."
"It's not surprising they look at the invention of the wheel as the
greatest threat to the national forests," Mr. Murkowski said.
"They're doing everything possible to save the forests, except take
a science class," Mr. Murkowski said.
Critics of the Forest Service say the agency is putting forth several
regulations regarding roads and forest use that will lead to the
creation of de facto wilderness designations.
The controversial proposal would severely restrict recreational use
such as mountain biking, snowmobiling, skiing, all-terrain vehicles and
rock climbing.
Gaining access to the forest to fight forest fires is also a concern.
"Now the Clinton administration wants to regulate walking and
wearing clothing," said Rob Gordon, executive director of the Wilderness
Institute.
Mr. Craig said the proposals and ongoing public process is like
"inviting everyone in a crowded movie theater to help them review a
movie
after they have yelled fire."
"The Clinton administration has already managed to antagonize and
convince many, if not the majority, of public land users in the rural
West that all they are about is throwing the people off the public
lands,"
Mr. Craig said.
"pete" <wirc-@m...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6459
> This is just part of an article I read in Four Wheeler Magazine today
> and I though that it was rather touching so I am going to share it
with
> the group since I think we all feel the same way and it's just one
more
> reason to fight for our rights and the rights of others:
>
> Limited Articulation - by Mark Williams
>
> If there's one thing four-wheelers are good at, it's getting over
> obstacles thrown in their way. Jeff Lyall, from Catawba, Virginia, is
> a perfect example. Jeff sent us a letter explaining that he was in a
> car accident in 1991, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. "I
> was and still am an avid outdoorsman who likes to hike, backpack,
camp,
> hunt, and fish," he write. Most of his activities before the accident
> were done in the national forests around Virginia and North Carolina.
> However, after the accident, he soon discovered a wheelchair was a
> relatively poor off-highway vehicle.
> Undeterred, Jeff modified a CJ that became his new legs and feet,
> "giving me access to the outdoors again," Jeff states. Recently,
> however, and not long after he built his Jeep, Jeff discovered many of
> the roads on the national forest land he loved so much were being
> closed. "Anyone can use these roads year-round to hike, backpack,
ride
> mountain bikes, and so forth, but because my feet...have four wheels
> and a motor, I'm denied access. If that's not discrimination on the
> basis of a disability by an agency of the federal government on what
is
> supposed to be public land, I don't know what is," Jeff writes.
>
> He continues: "Since these roads represent the only access to the
> national forest public lands by a mibility-challended person, this is,
> in effect, a federal policy of discrimination against an estimated 54
> million-person community." His story becomes especially interesting
in
> light of recent federal policies restricting and/or eliminating
> previously open roads on public national forest land.
>
> What we should admire about Jeff (and obviously there are many things)
> is that when life threw a huge obstacle in his path, he just shifted
> into low range and found a way around. From what I know about our
> sport, there is a little bit of Jeff in al of us as we deal with the
> specific challenges in our local areas. Although it is tough,
> persistence usually wins the day.
>
> United States Forest Service (USFS) Chief, Mr. Mike Dombeck
> (202/205-1161)
> USFS National Recreation Director, Mr. Jim Bedwell (202/205-1406)
> Head of National Forest Civil Rights Division, Mrs. Selma Floyd
> (202/205-1585)
>
> Blue Ribbon Coalition (800/BLUERIB, www.sharetrails.com)
> United Four Wheel Drive Association (800/44UFWDA, www.ufwda.org)
> UFWDA legislative council, Carla Boucher (757/482-4474,
> LegisAdvoc@U...)
>
6463 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 0:10pm
Subject: This sucks!
Boy does this suck sitting hear at work while dreaming about
being out at the rock crawling championships. Not that it's
a beautiful day outside or anything like that.
-Roger
6464 From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 1:00pm
Subject: Re: This sucks!
my driveshaft came in.. I'm on the road again!!! MIKE
Roger Tomas wrote:
>
> Boy does this suck sitting hear at work while dreaming about
> being out at the rock crawling championships. Not that it's
> a beautiful day outside or anything like that.
>
> -Roger
>
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6465 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 2:04pm
Subject: Re: Leaky Jeep thread wins
I must thank all of yo for your responses. I am just not used to that much
water from the heater/defroster, but as they say It's a Jeep thing!!! I do
think it will live, then again now that I have it I will never let it die,
it is far too much fun.
I do appreciate all your thoughts and funnies, it was great.
Chris
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6466 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 2:09pm
Subject: Re: Limited Articulation
Wow, this one certainly drives home the need to keep lands open. I
mentioned that closing the roads would limit the ability for handicapped
people to visit and see the sights in my letter to Dombeck, but it doesn't
compare to this actual account. Those against OHV speak about preservation,
great, but for who if you can't get out to see it.
Really great article Pete.
Chris
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6442 From: Rick VH <rvanhazel@s...>
Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Got Into An Accident ...
As the old saying goes..
"If you cant stop in time.. Smile as you go under."
Big Grin,
Rick VH
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 9:21 PM
To: wirch@mindless.com; AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Got Into An Accident ...
I like how the hitch impaled the radiator. That'll teach her to stop at the sign, lol
Scott
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6443 From: Ken Unterriner <jeep108@h...>
Date: Thu Mar 9, 2000 10:21pm
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
taking the shifter boot works pretty good for heat too.
Ken
"t.j. nosmo-king" <ice62-@h...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6434
> so thats how I've been able to keep her out of it.....do the holes in
the
> fire wall where pedals, wires etc. go thru letting heat from the
engine in
> count????...if so, then I do have one of them thar new fangled
heatin'
> units...... :)
> __________________________________________________ ____
6444 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 5:31am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
I thought all the holes in the floor boards pulling heat off of the headers was
the "heater"!!?? Was I wrong all these years???? ;-)
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
Chris Radcoon wrote:
> It is this really cool, or hot depending on how you look at it, feature
> installed in most vehicles. When you turn in it on, you can select the
> tempature to your liking and it will heat up the vehicle, inside only, to
> your liking. You can reduce the temp if it begins to get to warm. It is
> the opposite of air conditioning. It works much the same way your house
> heating and cooling system works. It is also only necessary when your wife
> is carpooling with you to work.
>
> Chris
6445 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 5:37am
Subject: Re: Fwd: 4X4 MEETING
I'm really not trying to be a jerk on this (I mean this in the best way
possible) but, I'm having a hard time understanding how you can argue with
this. IT WORKS!!!! Whatever the case may be, if you lift one tire and rotate
it, the driveshaft turns the number of times of the ratio. Thousands of people
have done it and it works!! How can you disagree with that? Have you tried it
yourself yet?
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
sinanturel@y... wrote:
> Hum, Lets see the spider gears(pinion) rotates around the side
> gears,
> and there is a ratio here, it is not one to one(1:1)
>
> What I am trying to get at here is for a open diff if you spin one tire
> one revolution, and the ring and pinion ratio is 3.08:1, then the
> driveshaft will not turn a little over 3 times, you are leaving out
> the ratio of the spider gears(pinion) to the side gears.
>
> Try it and do the math you will see.
>
>
> jay eller <four_by_nu-@n...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6416
> > Not quite. With an open diff, you leave the opposite side tire on the
> > ground. It won't turn that way. Therefore you don't need a buddy or
> really
> > long arms. If you have the entire rearend in the air and you have an
> open
> > diff, then yes, someone does have to turn the other tire. But with
> one on
> > the ground it solves that problem. Also, somone asked about the
> spiders or
> > pinion and that I might be leaving something out. The spider gears
> are a
> > wash since they are all the same size and there is one on the other
> side. As
> > for the pinioin, that is half of what is making the ratio. It IS
> included in
> > this method. You'd have to see one in operation to understand. Take
> my word
> > for it, this method works. I and MANY others have done it. It's a
> great
> > junk yard check when your looking for a new axle and can't read the
> tags on
> > the axle.
> > --
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6446 From: shane hoffmeyer <saboteur@t...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 5:49am
Subject: Rockcrawling Championships Attn: Tom Lee
Hey Tom, Shane here. Didn't know your e-mail so I just posted to the whole group. You going to the Championships this
weekend??? Me, Cal, and Mike will be there. We're heading up today and will be there until late sunday afternoon.
If you come out look for Mike's Land Shark YJ, Cal's red hacked out CJ-5 "monster jeep", and my primer black toyota
pickup. We're planning on doing some night wheeling and probably a run on sunday. Hope you can make it.
shane
6447 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 6:08am
Subject: Map to Rockcrawling Championship
Here it is! Friday's event was posted last night to the American Rock Crawlers Association website.
http://www.rockcrawler.org/
Just click on Goodyear, and then Phoenix.
See you all out there! I'll be there Friday and Saturday.
Scott Kruize - OSM TJ
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6448 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 6:31am
Subject: Broken Arrow
Tricia and I are going to Sedona tomorrow to do Broken Arrow. Yes, I know,
everyone else is going to the ARCA event. Wish I were too! But, if there is
anyone left with a Jeep and a longing for Broken Arrow, let me know. I
would love to go with someone who has been before..
Probably leaving at about 7AM Saturday. We are taking dogs and may stay
overnight (motel).
Jon
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6449 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 6:57am
Subject: Re: Got Into An Accident ...
Maybe those Bavarians should stick to making blenders or other in house
products. LOL
Glad to hear the Jeep is A OK. Good old American Iron!!!!!!!!!
Chris
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6450 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 0:14am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
thats what I thought until everyone started talking about switches and
adjustable temperatures...what will modern jeepers think of next???
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6451 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:23am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
Now that I am sure that we all understand the concept, my question still
remains about the amount of water dripping off. I feel it is a considerable
amount, it creates a puddle about 1 1/2' across under the TJ on flat ground.
Is this too much? Is it normal?
Thanks for all your true and funny comments.
Chris
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6452 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:34am
Subject: Fw: [JEEP-L] T-Case for sale - Jeep needs a new pair of shoes
I had a question on my post - so to clarify - the NV231 I have for sale has
a shortened stock output shaft, which was shortened to accommodate an RE
(Rubicon Express) SYE (Slip Yoke Eliminator) and CV driveshaft. The SYE and
CV were sold separately, but the t-case's output shaft is cut, drilled
tapped and ready to go for a SYE.
A SYE allows for a longer rear driveshaft w/ a CV (constant velocity) joint
on the T-Case end. This allows for a greater lift w/o diveline vibration.
I ran the T-Case w/ the RE kit for about a year - worked great - but when I
installed an Atlas, I replaced it w/ a longer rear shaft.
Doug
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To: Jeep-L <jeep-l@m...>; Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 7:15 AM
Subject: [JEEP-L] T-Case for sale - Jeep needs a new pair of shoes
> I need money honey...Jeep needs a new pair of shoes, so I've dropped the
> price (blue light special) on an NV231 Transfer Case, w/ only 22,500 miles
> on it - from a 98 TJ - used on only the BEST trails - ran it w/ semi
synth.
> Dexron III ATF. It has a shortened output shaft for a RE SYE and CV
> driveshaft. Perfect condition, w/ linkage and shifter.
>
> $400, plus shipping (if necessary)
>
> Doug
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6453 From: Mike Pawlowski <mike.pawlowski@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:40am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
Chris,
The first thing you have to do is assertain if it is JUST water, or
antifreeze. If it is only water, than no worries. If it is antifreeze, I'd
check the fittings around the heater core (Better Yet, if it is under
warranty, let the dealer do it). Also see if it is coming from the
evaporator area. There usually is a little flexible rubber hose-like drain
on the bottom of them. See if that is where it is coming from. But being as
humid as it has been around our wet season, I can see the amount of
condensation your experiencing being normal.
Mike Pawlowski
90 Chevy Z-71 (Wannabe 4x4)
81 Chevy K-5 Blazer
2000 TJ Soooon (Its all Stu's fault)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Radcoon" <My1stJeep@e...>
To: "Mike Pawlowski" <mike.pawlowski@s...>; <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
> Now that I am sure that we all understand the concept, my question still
> remains about the amount of water dripping off. I feel it is a
considerable
> amount, it creates a puddle about 1 1/2' across under the TJ on flat
ground.
> Is this too much? Is it normal?
>
> Thanks for all your true and funny comments.
> Chris
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:13:22 -0700, Mike Pawlowski wrote:
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6454 From: Mike Pawlowski <mike.pawlowski@s...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:53am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
Chris,
Nope, went to Coconino High in Flagstaff....:)
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Radcoon" <My1stJeep@e...>
To: "Mike Pawlowski" <mike.pawlowski@s...>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
> Thanks for the info. Sound like all is well, it feels like water, has no
> color or sweat smell. Good thing as the warranty is toast.
>
> By the way did you go to DVHS?
>
> Chris
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:40:18 -0700, Mike Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > The first thing you have to do is assertain if it is JUST water, or
> > antifreeze. If it is only water, than no worries. If it is antifreeze,
> I'd
> > check the fittings around the heater core (Better Yet, if it is under
> > warranty, let the dealer do it). Also see if it is coming from the
> > evaporator area. There usually is a little flexible rubber hose-like
> drain
> > on the bottom of them. See if that is where it is coming from. But
being
> as
> > humid as it has been around our wet season, I can see the amount of
> > condensation your experiencing being normal.
> >
> > Mike Pawlowski
> > 90 Chevy Z-71 (Wannabe 4x4)
> > 81 Chevy K-5 Blazer
> > 2000 TJ Soooon (Its all Stu's fault)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Radcoon" <My1stJeep@e...>
> > To: "Mike Pawlowski" <mike.pawlowski@s...>;
> <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
> >
> >
> > > Now that I am sure that we all understand the concept, my question
> still
> > > remains about the amount of water dripping off. I feel it is a
> > considerable
> > > amount, it creates a puddle about 1 1/2' across under the TJ on flat
> > ground.
> > > Is this too much? Is it normal?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your true and funny comments.
> > > Chris
> >
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6455 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 7:59am
Subject: Rubicon Jeep Jamboree
For the $265 per adult, what does that cover? Food, lodging, what???
Chris
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6456 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:03am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
My XJ ('98) ALWAYS has a big puddle under it after having run the A/C, even in
the summers when the humidity is really low. A puddle of 1 1/2' accross sounds
about like mine. I would imagine that if you ran the defroster and it was
de-humidifying the really humid air that we have had with all of the rain then
the puddle could easily be as large as you say. But as long as it doesn't
stink, look red, look black, and has no taste, then it is probably water from
the compressor.
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----------------------------------------------------------
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Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
Chris Radcoon wrote:
> Now that I am sure that we all understand the concept, my question still
> remains about the amount of water dripping off. I feel it is a considerable
> amount, it creates a puddle about 1 1/2' across under the TJ on flat ground.
> Is this too much? Is it normal?
>
> Thanks for all your true and funny comments.
> Chris
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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6457 From: Chris Radcoon <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:21am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
Most likely they will start using the heat from the engine to boil eggs? Or
for AC you might think of taking that cold mother in-law along. Might drop
the temp a few degrees. LOL
Chris
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6458 From: josh ragan <joshragan@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:31am
Subject: Re: Please Help... Leaky Jeep
If it is water (condensation) I would not worry. If
it were antifreeze or oil I would worry. I have had
puddle this size before. If the air and heat work I
would not worry. Any dealer would tell you the same I
am sure(had a buddy take his 2000 to a dealer thinking
it was a problem). Depending on the temperature and
humidity you will see a larger or smaller puddle.
--- Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...> wrote:
> Now that I am sure that we all understand the
> concept, my question still
> remains about the amount of water dripping off. I
> feel it is a considerable
> amount, it creates a puddle about 1 1/2' across
> under the TJ on flat ground..
> Is this too much? Is it normal?
>
> Thanks for all your true and funny comments..
> Chris
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6459 From: Pete <wirch@m...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:36am
Subject: Limited Articulation
This is just part of an article I read in Four Wheeler Magazine today
and I though that it was rather touching so I am going to share it with
the group since I think we all feel the same way and it's just one more
reason to fight for our rights and the rights of others:
Limited Articulation - by Mark Williams
If there's one thing four-wheelers are good at, it's getting over
obstacles thrown in their way. Jeff Lyall, from Catawba, Virginia, is
a perfect example. Jeff sent us a letter explaining that he was in a
car accident in 1991, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. "I
was and still am an avid outdoorsman who likes to hike, backpack, camp,
hunt, and fish," he write. Most of his activities before the accident
were done in the national forests around Virginia and North Carolina.
However, after the accident, he soon discovered a wheelchair was a
relatively poor off-highway vehicle.
Undeterred, Jeff modified a CJ that became his new legs and feet,
"giving me access to the outdoors again," Jeff states. Recently,
however, and not long after he built his Jeep, Jeff discovered many of
the roads on the national forest land he loved so much were being
closed. "Anyone can use these roads year-round to hike, backpack, ride
mountain bikes, and so forth, but because my feet...have four wheels
and a motor, I'm denied access. If that's not discrimination on the
basis of a disability by an agency of the federal government on what is
supposed to be public land, I don't know what is," Jeff writes.
He continues: "Since these roads represent the only access to the
national forest public lands by a mibility-challended person, this is,
in effect, a federal policy of discrimination against an estimated 54
million-person community." His story becomes especially interesting in
light of recent federal policies restricting and/or eliminating
previously open roads on public national forest land.
What we should admire about Jeff (and obviously there are many things)
is that when life threw a huge obstacle in his path, he just shifted
into low range and found a way around. From what I know about our
sport, there is a little bit of Jeff in al of us as we deal with the
specific challenges in our local areas. Although it is tough,
persistence usually wins the day.
United States Forest Service (USFS) Chief, Mr. Mike Dombeck
(202/205-1161)
USFS National Recreation Director, Mr. Jim Bedwell (202/205-1406)
Head of National Forest Civil Rights Division, Mrs. Selma Floyd
(202/205-1585)
Blue Ribbon Coalition (800/BLUERIB, www.sharetrails.com)
United Four Wheel Drive Association (800/44UFWDA, www.ufwda.org)
UFWDA legislative council, Carla Boucher (757/482-4474,
LegisAdvoc@U...)
6460 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:40am
Subject: Leaky Jeep thread wins
I must say, the leaking jeep thread has had more responses and replies than
the topic of lift a couple of weeks ago. Enough already, my garage is full
of water.
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6461 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 10:47am
Subject: Re: Limited Articulation
Great article, Pete. I noticed Dombeck's name at the bottom and a few others. Does this mean that he/they received copies of the article? If not, I am going to send them a copy.
Jon
At 10:36 AM 3/10/2000 -0800, Pete wrote:
This is just part of an article I read in Four Wheeler Magazine today
and I though that it was rather touching so I am going to share it with
the group since I think we all feel the same way and it's just one more
reason to fight for our rights and the rights of others:
Limited Articulation - by Mark Williams
If there's one thing four-wheelers are good at, it's getting over
obstacles thrown in their way. Jeff Lyall, from Catawba, Virginia, is
a perfect example. Jeff sent us a letter explaining that he was in a
car accident in 1991, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. "I
was and still am an avid outdoorsman who likes to hike, backpack, camp,
hunt, and fish," he write. Most of his activities before the accident
were done in the national forests around Virginia and North Carolina.
However, after the accident, he soon discovered a wheelchair was a
relatively poor off-highway vehicle.
Undeterred, Jeff modified a CJ that became his new legs and feet,
"giving me access to the outdoors again," Jeff states. Recently,
however, and not long after he built his Jeep, Jeff discovered many of
the roads on the national forest land he loved so much were being
closed. "Anyone can use these roads year-round to hike, backpack, ride
mountain bikes, and so forth, but because my feet...have four wheels
and a motor, I'm denied access. If that's not discrimination on the
basis of a disability by an agency of the federal government on what is
supposed to be public land, I don't know what is," Jeff writes.
He continues: "Since these roads represent the only access to the
national forest public lands by a mibility-challended person, this is,
in effect, a federal policy of discrimination against an estimated 54
million-person community." His story becomes especially interesting in
light of recent federal policies restricting and/or eliminating
previously open roads on public national forest land.
What we should admire about Jeff (and obviously there are many things)
is that when life threw a huge obstacle in his path, he just shifted
into low range and found a way around. From what I know about our
sport, there is a little bit of Jeff in al of us as we deal with the
specific challenges in our local areas. Although it is tough,
persistence usually wins the day.
United States Forest Service (USFS) Chief, Mr. Mike Dombeck
(202/205-1161)
USFS National Recreation Director, Mr. Jim Bedwell (202/205-1406)
Head of National Forest Civil Rights Division, Mrs. Selma Floyd
(202/205-1585)
Blue Ribbon Coalition (800/BLUERIB, www.sharetrails.com)
United Four Wheel Drive Association (800/44UFWDA, www.ufwda.org)
UFWDA legislative council, Carla Boucher (757/482-4474,
LegisAdvoc@UFWDA.ORG)
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6462 From: Rick Buddrus <buddrus@f...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 11:06am
Subject: Re: Limited Articulation and Roadless
Pete, thanks for sharing the article. It is sometimes necessary for us
to read something like this to keep us going on the "Roadless Issue"
and our (and Jeff's) right to recreate on OUR Forests. I know some of
us beat this horse to death and it certainly is not as much fun as
figuring our "ratios" or chasing the elusive "puddle" (by the way, I
have a 98TJ and yes it quite frequently sweats)but it is necessary that
we all stay vigilant on the issue. The following e-mail text was sent
to me several days ago and I thought everyone might appreciate it.
Please keep in mind though, this article was not fabricated as a joke,
these people (I speak of the EW's) are dead serious about what they do
and are determined to keep YOU out of THEIR Forests. If you ever doubt
it, just check in with our friends, down here in Tucson, at the
"CENTER".
Enough Said.
RB
Text Follows.....................
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
The Forest Service road and transportation policy proposal has been
published in the federal register; information on that issue will be
forthcoming. It is very important that outdoor recreationists
participate in that process because the Forest Service is under extreme
pressure to minimize
access and mechanized recreation.
The article below captures the concerns and frustrations that many are
experiening with the process the current Administration has engaged to
determine how people will access Forest Service public lands in the
future.
TH
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Date: 3/9/0 12:18 PM
From: Rachel Thomas
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http(http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/news5-03072000.htm)://www.
was
hingtontimes.com/national/news5-03072000.htm
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/news5-03072000.htm)March 7,
2000
Forest Service proposal sees people as problem
By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Walking through the forest is harmful to the environment, according
to a proposed rule by the Forest Service that critics say would restrict
public access through the nation's forests.
"Unwanted or nonnative plant species can be transported on vehicles
and clothing by users of [forest] roads, ultimately displacing native
species,"said the proposal printed Friday in the Federal Register.
The proposed regulation would establish guidelines for how the
agency manages its transportation system and sets maintenance and new
road-building priorities. However critics say the broad language could
halt all future road building.
"These people want to return the forest to the conditions existing
before Europeans landed on the continent," said Sen. Frank H. Murkowski,
Alaska Republican and chairman of the Energy and Natural Resources
Committee.
The agency's proposal said that traveling through the forests harms the
ground and the animals living there, so some roads should be closed and
greater balance given between public access and environmental concerns
when deciding if a new road should be built.
"Roads allow people to travel into previously difficult or
impossible to access areas, resulting in indirect impacts such as
ground and
habitat disturbance, increased pressure on wildlife species, increased
litter,
sanitation needs and vandalism, and increased frequency of human-caused
fires," the proposal said.
Sen. Larry E. Craig, chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural
Resources subcommittee on forests and public land management, said his
concern was that an injection of new-age thinking in forest management
would result in ice-age management.
"I, for one, am reluctant to spend my next visit to a national
forest sleeping in a cave, merely to assure that we are replicating
pre-settlement conditions," the Idaho Republican said in a written
statement.
If the proposal becomes a regulation, it would make it nearly
impossible to build new roads to access the forests, critics said.
"Even if it is implemented with the rule of reason, the language of
the rule is so amorphous that anyone who wants to stop a road from being
built has more than enough ammunition to do it," said Mark Rey, a senior
staffer for the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee.
"In the hands of litigators, these regulations could be the road to
ruin for our national forests," Mr. Rey said.
According to the Forest Service, recreation use has climbed to an
all-time high of 13.6 million vehicles per day on forest roads.
The proposal would "shift the emphasis from transportation development
to managing environmentally sound access."
"It's not surprising they look at the invention of the wheel as the
greatest threat to the national forests," Mr. Murkowski said.
"They're doing everything possible to save the forests, except take
a science class," Mr. Murkowski said.
Critics of the Forest Service say the agency is putting forth several
regulations regarding roads and forest use that will lead to the
creation of de facto wilderness designations.
The controversial proposal would severely restrict recreational use
such as mountain biking, snowmobiling, skiing, all-terrain vehicles and
rock climbing.
Gaining access to the forest to fight forest fires is also a concern.
"Now the Clinton administration wants to regulate walking and
wearing clothing," said Rob Gordon, executive director of the Wilderness
Institute.
Mr. Craig said the proposals and ongoing public process is like
"inviting everyone in a crowded movie theater to help them review a
movie
after they have yelled fire."
"The Clinton administration has already managed to antagonize and
convince many, if not the majority, of public land users in the rural
West that all they are about is throwing the people off the public
lands,"
Mr. Craig said.
"pete" <wirc-@m...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6459
> This is just part of an article I read in Four Wheeler Magazine today
> and I though that it was rather touching so I am going to share it
with
> the group since I think we all feel the same way and it's just one
more
> reason to fight for our rights and the rights of others:
>
> Limited Articulation - by Mark Williams
>
> If there's one thing four-wheelers are good at, it's getting over
> obstacles thrown in their way. Jeff Lyall, from Catawba, Virginia, is
> a perfect example. Jeff sent us a letter explaining that he was in a
> car accident in 1991, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. "I
> was and still am an avid outdoorsman who likes to hike, backpack,
camp,
> hunt, and fish," he write. Most of his activities before the accident
> were done in the national forests around Virginia and North Carolina.
> However, after the accident, he soon discovered a wheelchair was a
> relatively poor off-highway vehicle.
> Undeterred, Jeff modified a CJ that became his new legs and feet,
> "giving me access to the outdoors again," Jeff states. Recently,
> however, and not long after he built his Jeep, Jeff discovered many of
> the roads on the national forest land he loved so much were being
> closed. "Anyone can use these roads year-round to hike, backpack,
ride
> mountain bikes, and so forth, but because my feet...have four wheels
> and a motor, I'm denied access. If that's not discrimination on the
> basis of a disability by an agency of the federal government on what
is
> supposed to be public land, I don't know what is," Jeff writes.
>
> He continues: "Since these roads represent the only access to the
> national forest public lands by a mibility-challended person, this is,
> in effect, a federal policy of discrimination against an estimated 54
> million-person community." His story becomes especially interesting
in
> light of recent federal policies restricting and/or eliminating
> previously open roads on public national forest land.
>
> What we should admire about Jeff (and obviously there are many things)
> is that when life threw a huge obstacle in his path, he just shifted
> into low range and found a way around. From what I know about our
> sport, there is a little bit of Jeff in al of us as we deal with the
> specific challenges in our local areas. Although it is tough,
> persistence usually wins the day.
>
> United States Forest Service (USFS) Chief, Mr. Mike Dombeck
> (202/205-1161)
> USFS National Recreation Director, Mr. Jim Bedwell (202/205-1406)
> Head of National Forest Civil Rights Division, Mrs. Selma Floyd
> (202/205-1585)
>
> Blue Ribbon Coalition (800/BLUERIB, www.sharetrails.com)
> United Four Wheel Drive Association (800/44UFWDA, www.ufwda.org)
> UFWDA legislative council, Carla Boucher (757/482-4474,
> LegisAdvoc@U...)
>
6463 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 0:10pm
Subject: This sucks!
Boy does this suck sitting hear at work while dreaming about
being out at the rock crawling championships. Not that it's
a beautiful day outside or anything like that.
-Roger
6464 From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 1:00pm
Subject: Re: This sucks!
my driveshaft came in.. I'm on the road again!!! MIKE
Roger Tomas wrote:
>
> Boy does this suck sitting hear at work while dreaming about
> being out at the rock crawling championships. Not that it's
> a beautiful day outside or anything like that.
>
> -Roger
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6465 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 2:04pm
Subject: Re: Leaky Jeep thread wins
I must thank all of yo for your responses. I am just not used to that much
water from the heater/defroster, but as they say It's a Jeep thing!!! I do
think it will live, then again now that I have it I will never let it die,
it is far too much fun.
I do appreciate all your thoughts and funnies, it was great.
Chris
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6466 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Fri Mar 10, 2000 2:09pm
Subject: Re: Limited Articulation
Wow, this one certainly drives home the need to keep lands open. I
mentioned that closing the roads would limit the ability for handicapped
people to visit and see the sights in my letter to Dombeck, but it doesn't
compare to this actual account. Those against OHV speak about preservation,
great, but for who if you can't get out to see it.
Really great article Pete.
Chris
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