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6367 From: Chatfield, Mike <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 11:50am
Subject: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Hello all,
Last weekend the trail claimed yet another front Axle U-Joint, taking the
axle with it.
This has happened to me several times (this is my 4th) in the past few
years.
Needless to say I'm getting a little tired of rummaging through bone yards
to find a
replacement axle. Part of the problem is I'm running an old Power Lock diff
in the
front, which doesn't always lock up. With the tax return due back any day
now,
I will be changing out the Power Lock, in favor of a Detroit. Since I'm
also looking
at finding a replacement axle, I'm thinking about using an after-market kit
that uses
stronger axles and a larger (Dana 44?) u-joint. I don't remember who makes
the kit,
I just recall seeing it either in a magazine or catalog.
My concern is this: By installing the stronger axles, am I just moving the
"weak link"
somewhere else (i.e. Ring/Pinion). I know my dad used to run a Power Lock
in his
front, and used to break U-Joints and Hubs. Now he has a Detroit, and the
Warn
Heavy Duty Hubs, so far he hasn't broken anything, but he is still using the
stock
axles. I'm interested in the stronger axles because I have to locate an
axle already,
I have the money, why not go for the stronger unit. However, I don't want
to do this,
if I'm risking breaking other, more expensive parts.
Has anyone installed this in their Jeep, or have any advice for me?
Thanks in advance,
Mike Chatfield
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6368 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 11:59am
Subject: Re: Bar-BQ Ox, Offers to Help!!
A8868542@a... wrote:
> Thank you all for your kind words and offers to help reincarnate my >Jeep.
Hey Al,
It's because you are such a good person!
We know you would be right there for one of us
in the same situation. We mourn the Blue Ox's passing
and I will always remember driving it at the coves.
See you on the trails.
Leah
6369 From: RICK NORMAN <RICKANDVANDA@p...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:20pm
Subject: Re: Photos of WhtTanks-WetWild0305
Is this the same White Tank mountains that are west of Phoenix?? I thought
that area was closed to 4wd's. If it is not closed, wheres the best place
to go ??
Thx!
Rick
wht91xj(4x4xfun)
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6370 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:15pm
Subject: Re: rock crawling event
What kind of vehicles/rv's should I be looking for? And where is the
"Jamboree" campground again? I kind of ignored those messages when they
came around since I wasn't going to be camping. ;)
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
William Mish wrote:
> Why don't we just meet at camp? I'll be in the "Jamboree" campgrounds,
> sounds like Linda will be too, Lets meet at her camp!WILDCAT
> 1955 WILLYS CJ3B
> Custom Everything
> http://drive.to/yldkat55--
6371 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:17pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Mike,
First, I would think that a Power Lock that doesn't lock up would
*not* lead to broken axles since you'd be essentially open and torque
would be diverted to the wheel with the least amount of traction.
As for the axle kits, I don't know if you're talking about a CJ or YJ
Dana 30. If YJ, the 95 YJ's with ABS came with axles that used a larger
(ie Dana 44) u-joint and they are completely interchangeable. They are
hard to locate used, but can be had for $75-$100 per side. I believe
some XJ's had these shafts too. I think this would be a lot cheaper than
those "kits".
-Roger
6372 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:23pm
Subject: Re: Photos of The Wreck
Hey Tim,
Did anyone from the Virtual Jeep Club show up for the run?
I'm so glad that Sean is OK. He is such a nice person,
and was so proud of his TJ! My heart did a flip
when I heard the news.
Looks like the truck got the worst of it!
Jeeps are tough and you are so right, rocks are safer!
Did the impact employ the airbags?
Is Sean going to rebuild the TJ?
Leah
tim.naylor@w... wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
After a great day of wheelin at Woodpecker on 2/26, we were on the way
home. A truck ran a stop sign into Sean Perkins path. We were on hwy 79
just south of Florence. No injuries but Sean's TJ is a wreck.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
6373 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:24pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
I believe Superior Axle makes the axle kit that you are referring to. I seem to
remember it being about $500 total for both sides from 4Wheeler's Supply. As
far as strength, I don't think the R&P is going to be your concern. I'd look
more at your hubs. You didn't mention what kind of Jeep you have, but I would
opt to swap to the 6 bolt hubs (if you have the 5 bolt stockers still there).
You can do this pretty cheap by getting the inner hubs from a pre-'79 (I think)
CJ that has the 6 bolt hubs. Then purchase some 6 bolt Warn Premium locking
hubs (@$80). This should help to remedy hub breakage. You also didn't mention
what size tires you are running. I guess the next weak link would be the axles
themselves. Only way out of that one is a D44, etc, etc. But overall I would
think that going with the Superior Axles with the 297 ujoint (D44 size) and
swapping to a 6 bolt hub would help a lot. But if your running 35's or larger,
definately should think about swapping to D44 or D60. Take these suggestions
as you will......
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
6374 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:28pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Here are the comments from Phil Smith, a very respected poster (and Jeeper)
in the JU forum. Most of the folks there pay attention to what Phil says.
If memory serves me correctly, he usually leads several of the trail runs at
Moab during Easter Jeep Safari. He says:
-------------------------------------------------------
The Dana 30 axle is a reasonably good axle for the front of Jeep TJs. It is
a standard cut axle, which means the gear strength will be at it's maximum
when the Jeep is backing up, which is what puts the most stress on the front
axle components. This is an improvement over the reverse cut Dana 30 found
in YJs. The U-joints have also been upgraded to Dana 44 U-joints, which is
another big improvement.
I broke a front axle u-joint in my '97 TJ, and another front axle u-joint in
my '98 TJ. Both breakages occured while running 35s, and LockRight lockers;
and both occured on a high traction surface (slickrock).
I have seen LOTS of people listing a front Dana 44 axle on their "wish
list", or "five year plan". My question is WHY? Do you folks have an extra 3
grand burning a whole in your pocket or something?
As long as the only part you are breaking is the u-joint there is absolutely
NO reason to upgrade to a Dana 44. Even after spending 3 grand on a front
Dana 44 you're going to still have the same Dana 44 u-joint you were
breaking with the Dana 30; so your net gain in strength is ZERO. It's the
weak link that is most likely to fail first, and both axles have the same
weak link. Now if you were breaking ring and pinion gears, or even axle
shafts, it would be worth upgrading to a Dana 44. Thus far I have met very
few people that have broke anything other than an occaisional u-joint with
their Dana 30s. I can't say that I have actually met anyone that has broken
the shafts or gears, although I'm sure they exist. I mean we have proof on
this forum that people can break just about anything ... case in point:
front upper control arms.
Save your money folks. Why not spend it on a road trip to a four wheeling
destination you've always wanted to attend instead.
Phil.
'00 Patriot Blue WJ Ltd, 4.7 V-8, Quadra drive, Up-Country Suspension,
Teraflex 2" lift, Dunlop 265/70R-16s, Dynomax exhaust
'00 Silverstone TJ Sport, Auto, Dana 44. Currently at AEV Conversions being
converted to 104" wheelbase
----------------------------------------------------
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:mike.chatfield@r...]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:51
>To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
>Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>Last weekend the trail claimed yet another front Axle U-Joint, taking the
>axle with it.
>This has happened to me several times (this is my 4th) in the past few
>years.
>Needless to say I'm getting a little tired of rummaging through bone yards
>to find a
>replacement axle. Part of the problem is I'm running an old Power
>Lock diff
>in the
>front, which doesn't always lock up. With the tax return due back any day
>now,
>I will be changing out the Power Lock, in favor of a Detroit. Since I'm
>also looking
>at finding a replacement axle, I'm thinking about using an after-market kit
>that uses
>stronger axles and a larger (Dana 44?) u-joint. I don't remember who makes
>the kit,
>I just recall seeing it either in a magazine or catalog.
>
>My concern is this: By installing the stronger axles, am I just moving the
>"weak link"
>somewhere else (i.e. Ring/Pinion). I know my dad used to run a Power Lock
>in his
>front, and used to break U-Joints and Hubs. Now he has a Detroit, and the
>Warn
>Heavy Duty Hubs, so far he hasn't broken anything, but he is still
>using the
>stock
>axles. I'm interested in the stronger axles because I have to locate an
>axle already,
>I have the money, why not go for the stronger unit. However, I don't want
>to do this,
>if I'm risking breaking other, more expensive parts.
>
>Has anyone installed this in their Jeep, or have any advice for me?
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Mike Chatfield
>
>
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6375 From: Chatfield, Mike <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:37pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Stu,
Thanks, this gives me the information I need. I'm currently
running an '82 CJ-5. I did not know that the "new" jeeps
came with a stronger axle setup in the front. Now that I
know this, it appears to me that the manufacturer decided
the U-Joint was exceptionally weak. Also by the fact that
the U-Joints still break under heavy load relieve my worries
about moving the weak link; instead the weak link will be a
little bit stronger. Too bad I can't pull the axles from a
TJ; it'd cost me less I imagine.
Thanks,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@u...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 1:29 PM
To: Chatfield, Mike; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Here are the comments from Phil Smith, a very respected poster (and Jeeper)
in the JU forum. Most of the folks there pay attention to what Phil says.
If memory serves me correctly, he usually leads several of the trail runs at
Moab during Easter Jeep Safari. He says:
-------------------------------------------------------
The Dana 30 axle is a reasonably good axle for the front of Jeep TJs. It is
a standard cut axle, which means the gear strength will be at it's maximum
when the Jeep is backing up, which is what puts the most stress on the front
axle components. This is an improvement over the reverse cut Dana 30 found
in YJs. The U-joints have also been upgraded to Dana 44 U-joints, which is
another big improvement.
I broke a front axle u-joint in my '97 TJ, and another front axle u-joint in
my '98 TJ. Both breakages occured while running 35s, and LockRight lockers;
and both occured on a high traction surface (slickrock).
I have seen LOTS of people listing a front Dana 44 axle on their "wish
list", or "five year plan". My question is WHY? Do you folks have an extra 3
grand burning a whole in your pocket or something?
As long as the only part you are breaking is the u-joint there is absolutely
NO reason to upgrade to a Dana 44. Even after spending 3 grand on a front
Dana 44 you're going to still have the same Dana 44 u-joint you were
breaking with the Dana 30; so your net gain in strength is ZERO. It's the
weak link that is most likely to fail first, and both axles have the same
weak link. Now if you were breaking ring and pinion gears, or even axle
shafts, it would be worth upgrading to a Dana 44. Thus far I have met very
few people that have broke anything other than an occaisional u-joint with
their Dana 30s. I can't say that I have actually met anyone that has broken
the shafts or gears, although I'm sure they exist. I mean we have proof on
this forum that people can break just about anything ... case in point:
front upper control arms.
Save your money folks. Why not spend it on a road trip to a four wheeling
destination you've always wanted to attend instead.
Phil.
'00 Patriot Blue WJ Ltd, 4.7 V-8, Quadra drive, Up-Country Suspension,
Teraflex 2" lift, Dunlop 265/70R-16s, Dynomax exhaust
'00 Silverstone TJ Sport, Auto, Dana 44. Currently at AEV Conversions being
converted to 104" wheelbase
>
>
6376 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:43pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Roger,
Thanks for the info.
The Power Lock does lock up, but not until the "light"
wheel starts to spin, then when it does kick in, the
"heavy" wheel gets an overload of torque and the
U-Joint explodes.
I've got an '82 CJ-5, with the narrow axles. Its
a shame I can't use the axles from a newer jeep
since that would save me money. But with this
information, I know that installing stronger axles
and U-Joint won't move the weak link, only make
it stronger.
Thanks,
Mike
=====================================
roger tomas <tomas-@a...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6371
> Mike,
>
> First, I would think that a Power Lock that doesn't lock up would
> *not* lead to broken axles since you'd be essentially open and torque
> would be diverted to the wheel with the least amount of traction.
>
> As for the axle kits, I don't know if you're talking about a CJ or YJ
> Dana 30. If YJ, the 95 YJ's with ABS came with axles that used a
larger
> (ie Dana 44) u-joint and they are completely interchangeable. They
are
> hard to locate used, but can be had for $75-$100 per side. I believe
> some XJ's had these shafts too. I think this would be a lot cheaper
than
> those "kits".
>
> -Roger
6377 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:43pm
Subject: Re: SOFT TOPS!!!
Keith Orr wrote:
> Did your soft top take a beating this winter?
> Steel Horse also has OEM Replacement Soft Tops.
> Only $239.95 - Free Storage Bag included!
> http://v4.youclick.net/GoNow/a10070a18243a214444a3
I don't know about this specific product, but experience has taught me
not to buy anything from Steel Horse.
Bestop (who _makes_ the OEM top) offers a replacement top. You can get
it through the usual mail order (like http://thinkjeep.com or
http://www.4wd.com ) or a local place like Desert Rat can order it for
you (sometimes they even have them in stock.) It'll cost a bit more
(like $265 or so instead of $240) but it's probably worth it to avoid
Steel Horse.
6378 From: DeVincentis, Jason <Jason_DeVincentis@I...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 2:09pm
Subject: stock rims???
Hello,
Just wanted to know if a stock XJ rim has the same bolt pattern as a YJ, i.e. are the rims interchangable between vehicles. Thanks.
Jason
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6379 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 2:32pm
Subject: Tires and Rims
I have had an offer for my tires from outside the club. I will make these
tires and rims available to anyone in the club for the same price if they
want them. Please let me know by Friday when I told him I would let him know.
4 - 31x10.5 Dunlop Radial Mud Rovers about 1/4 used - aggressive off road tire
1 - 31x10.5 BFG AT never used - moderately aggressive road tire
All on American Racing Aluminum OEM Sahara Rims - excellent shape
$200 for all 5
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
----------------------------
6380 From: mike stenson <mstens1@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 2:40pm
Subject: Re: stock rims???
Yep, both XJ's, YJ's and TJ's have a 5 on 4.5' bolt pattern. Not sure
about ZJ's and WJ's as Ive never checked them out up close and personal.
mike
"devincentis, jason" <jason_devincenti-@i...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6378
> Hello,
>
> Just wanted to know if a stock XJ rim has the same bolt pattern as a
YJ,
> i.e. are the rims interchangable between vehicles. Thanks.
>
> Jason
>
6381 From: DeVincentis, Jason <Jason_DeVincentis@I...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 1:52pm
Subject: stock rims???
Hello,
Just wanted to know if a stock XJ rim has the same bolt pattern as a YJ, i.e. are the rims interchangable between vehicles. Thanks.
Jason
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6382 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 3:57pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
4x4 power recommends the Warn axles with the Dana 30. They are stronger
axles and ujoints. The Detroit is probally the stongest unit to put in
the 30. You didn't say if you have an XJ/MJ or the CJ/TJ/YJ but the
XJ/MJ Dana 30 is about 30% stronger in the ring gear as it is a reverse
rotation unit where as the others are normal rotatation which cause
driving on the coast side of the ring gear. (Not sure which an ZJ has).
"Chatfield, Mike" wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Last weekend the trail claimed yet another front Axle U-Joint, taking the
> axle with it.
> This has happened to me several times (this is my 4th) in the past few
> years.
> Needless to say I'm getting a little tired of rummaging through bone yards
> to find a
> replacement axle. Part of the problem is I'm running an old Power Lock diff
> in the
> front, which doesn't always lock up. With the tax return due back any day
> now,
> I will be changing out the Power Lock, in favor of a Detroit. Since I'm
> also looking
> at finding a replacement axle, I'm thinking about using an after-market kit
> that uses
> stronger axles and a larger (Dana 44?) u-joint. I don't remember who makes
> the kit,
> I just recall seeing it either in a magazine or catalog.
>
> My concern is this: By installing the stronger axles, am I just moving the
> "weak link"
> somewhere else (i.e. Ring/Pinion). I know my dad used to run a Power Lock
> in his
> front, and used to break U-Joints and Hubs. Now he has a Detroit, and the
> Warn
> Heavy Duty Hubs, so far he hasn't broken anything, but he is still using the
> stock
> axles. I'm interested in the stronger axles because I have to locate an
> axle already,
> I have the money, why not go for the stronger unit. However, I don't want
> to do this,
> if I'm risking breaking other, more expensive parts.
>
> Has anyone installed this in their Jeep, or have any advice for me?
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mike Chatfield
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Win a Trip to the NCAA Final Four in the sears.com Give N' Go Getaway
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6383 From: DeVincentis, Jason <Jason_DeVincentis@I...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 4:10pm
Subject: lift kit for an XJ
Anyone know of a good 5-5.5" lift kit for an XJ. The largest I found was a 4.5" from RE. Does anyone make larger lifts, or are there different mods to get the extra 1" in the lift. Thanks again.
Jason
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6384 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 4:09pm
Subject: Looking for a Spare Tire
Hello All,
I recently upsized my Jeeps tires, and was just
reminded by reading another e-mail that I still
need to find a new spare tire.
Has anyone got extra 33 x 12.50 tires lying around
that they wouldn't mind selling to another jeeper?
I'm currently running BFG Mud Terrians, but any
33x12.5 would work as long as it holds air and isn't
completly bald.
Thanks in advance,
Mike Chatfield
6385 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 4:19pm
Subject: Re: Tires and Rims
The tires are gone. Sorry to anyone who thought this was too good a deal to pass up.
Jon
At 05:13 PM 3/8/2000 -0600, Scott Bruns wrote:
Hi Jon.
I'm interested in your tires and rims. I assume these will fit a Wrangler?
Scott Bruns
scott.bruns@rockfordcorp.com
480-517-3067 (work)
480-893-7630 (home)
>>> Jon Loveless 3/8/00 3:32:35 PM >>>
I have had an offer for my tires from outside the club. I will make these
tires and rims available to anyone in the club for the same price if they
want them. Please let me know by Friday when I told him I would let him know.
4 - 31x10.5 Dunlop Radial Mud Rovers about 1/4 used - aggressive off road tire
1 - 31x10.5 BFG AT never used - moderately aggressive road tire
All on American Racing Aluminum OEM Sahara Rims - excellent shape
$200 for all 5
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
----------------------------
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----------------------------
6386 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 4:51pm
Subject: Re: rock crawling event
Well, I'll be in a big green tent! White Grinnell Fire Protection truck (kinda hard to miss with the rainbow stripes). I have a Blue trailer for the JEEP and a blue 1955 Willys CJ3B, if you happen to catch me in camp. Linda, if you're reading, describe your rig. I know about the Dodge, and the ZJ......... Maybe we need a big banner on your Motorhome!!
WILDCAT
1955 WILLYS CJ3B
Custom Everything
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Eller
Cc: 4x4 Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 1:15 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: rock crawling event
What kind of vehicles/rv's should I be looking for? And where is the
"Jamboree" campground again? I kind of ignored those messages when they
came around since I wasn't going to be camping. ;)
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
William Mish wrote:
> Why don't we just meet at camp? I'll be in the "Jamboree" campgrounds,
> sounds like Linda will be too, Lets meet at her camp!WILDCAT
> 1955 WILLYS CJ3B
> Custom Everything
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6387 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 5:06pm
Subject: Re: Photos of WhtTanks-WetWild0305
Exit Miller road south. Take first left heading east. Take first left north
under I-10. Proceed ~1-2 miles...there are dunes to play on. then head off
in the northwest direction....pretty good trail through a wash.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: RICK NORMAN <RICKANDVANDA@p...>
To: rskinner@s... <rskinner@s...>; az_vjc@egroups.com
<az_vjc@egroups.com>; rsmith@d... <rsmith@d...>;
jim-joan@w... <jim-joan@w...>; jim@j...
<jim@j...>; romort@h... <romort@h...>
Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 1:15 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of WhtTanks-WetWild0305
>Is this the same White Tank mountains that are west of Phoenix?? I thought
>that area was closed to 4wd's. If it is not closed, wheres the best place
>to go ??
>
>Thx!
>Rick
>wht91xj(4x4xfun)
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>From: rskinner@s... <rskinner@s...>
>To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>; rsmith@d...
><rsmith@d...>; jim-joan@w... <jim-joan@w...>;
>jim@j... <jim@j...>; romort@h... <romort@h...>
>Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:21 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Photos of WhtTanks-WetWild0305
>
>
>>Greetings!
>>
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>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>New terra firma at White Tanks on a very wet day.It got much harder as the
>rain came down.
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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6388 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 5:13pm
Subject: Re: stock rims???
The stock rims on the vehicle you mentioned are all 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern - so they're interchangeable. I believe stock backspacing is also standard.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: DeVincentis, Jason
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 3:09 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] stock rims???
Hello,
Just wanted to know if a stock XJ rim has the same bolt pattern as a YJ, i.e. are the rims interchangable between vehicles. Thanks.
Jason
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6389 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:14pm
Subject: Re: SOFT TOPS!!!
Ill second that. I have a 1 1/2 year old besttop and so far so good. and that
was even after (rookie me) tried to put the top back up while it was very
cold.
Steve
6390 From: Eric Herring <herring@u...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 5:11pm
Subject: Re: stock rims???
Yup, in fact most years they used exactly the same wheels.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: DeVincentis, Jason [mailto:Jason_DeVincentis@Intuit.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 3:10 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] stock rims???
Hello,
Just wanted to know if a stock XJ rim has the same bolt pattern as a YJ, i.e. are the rims interchangable between vehicles. Thanks.
Jason
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6391 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 5:36pm
Subject: Re: fenders
i dunno how similar "his" fenders are to a CJ, but when i trimmed mine
i just took the fenders off. then i drew a line with a pen where i
wanted to cut right on the fenders, plugged in the jigsaw(with a
steel-cutting blade of course) and went to town.
Joey
monosyllabic guy
iltodl-@a... wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6350
> I, umm, have this "friend" who, uhh, was wondering what would be the
best
> tool to use to trim some sheet metal off of, for example, maybe a '92
> Cherokee? Also, is there anything that should be done to prepare the
newly
> exposed bare metal edge to keep corrosion at bay? I know I
definitely want
> to nip off the part just behind the front bumper and below the turn
signlas,
> but you never know what a small project like that could turn into. I
removed
> my flares and realized that there is a slight waxy buildup that makes
a great
> line that I, err, I mean "he" could follow. I'm sure someone here
has
> trimmed their fenders before, and any info I could get would be
greatly
> appreciated.
6367 From: Chatfield, Mike <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 11:50am
Subject: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Hello all,
Last weekend the trail claimed yet another front Axle U-Joint, taking the
axle with it.
This has happened to me several times (this is my 4th) in the past few
years.
Needless to say I'm getting a little tired of rummaging through bone yards
to find a
replacement axle. Part of the problem is I'm running an old Power Lock diff
in the
front, which doesn't always lock up. With the tax return due back any day
now,
I will be changing out the Power Lock, in favor of a Detroit. Since I'm
also looking
at finding a replacement axle, I'm thinking about using an after-market kit
that uses
stronger axles and a larger (Dana 44?) u-joint. I don't remember who makes
the kit,
I just recall seeing it either in a magazine or catalog.
My concern is this: By installing the stronger axles, am I just moving the
"weak link"
somewhere else (i.e. Ring/Pinion). I know my dad used to run a Power Lock
in his
front, and used to break U-Joints and Hubs. Now he has a Detroit, and the
Warn
Heavy Duty Hubs, so far he hasn't broken anything, but he is still using the
stock
axles. I'm interested in the stronger axles because I have to locate an
axle already,
I have the money, why not go for the stronger unit. However, I don't want
to do this,
if I'm risking breaking other, more expensive parts.
Has anyone installed this in their Jeep, or have any advice for me?
Thanks in advance,
Mike Chatfield
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6368 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 11:59am
Subject: Re: Bar-BQ Ox, Offers to Help!!
A8868542@a... wrote:
> Thank you all for your kind words and offers to help reincarnate my >Jeep.
Hey Al,
It's because you are such a good person!
We know you would be right there for one of us
in the same situation. We mourn the Blue Ox's passing
and I will always remember driving it at the coves.
See you on the trails.
Leah
6369 From: RICK NORMAN <RICKANDVANDA@p...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:20pm
Subject: Re: Photos of WhtTanks-WetWild0305
Is this the same White Tank mountains that are west of Phoenix?? I thought
that area was closed to 4wd's. If it is not closed, wheres the best place
to go ??
Thx!
Rick
wht91xj(4x4xfun)
-----Original Message-----
From: rskinner@s... <rskinner@s...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>; rsmith@d...
<rsmith@d...>; jim-joan@w... <jim-joan@w...>;
jim@j... <jim@j...>; romort@h... <romort@h...>
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:21 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Photos of WhtTanks-WetWild0305
>Greetings!
>
>Ross Skinner has an album of photos for you to
>see using the FREE PhotoPoint photo sharing service.
>
>Here is a message describing the photos:
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>WhtTanks-WetWild0305
>New terra firma at White Tanks on a very wet day.It got much harder as the
rain came down.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Simply click on the link below to go directly to their photo album
>area on the PhotoPoint web site, where you can see all the photos
>that they have prepared for you.
>
>Photo Album:
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=237284&a=2241762
>
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>
>Click on the link above to see the photos. If neither of the links
>are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser.
>
>If you would like to know how to share your own photos using the
>free PhotoPoint service, click on this link:
>
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>
>-PhotoPoint Automated Attendant
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6370 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:15pm
Subject: Re: rock crawling event
What kind of vehicles/rv's should I be looking for? And where is the
"Jamboree" campground again? I kind of ignored those messages when they
came around since I wasn't going to be camping. ;)
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
William Mish wrote:
> Why don't we just meet at camp? I'll be in the "Jamboree" campgrounds,
> sounds like Linda will be too, Lets meet at her camp!WILDCAT
> 1955 WILLYS CJ3B
> Custom Everything
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6371 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:17pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Mike,
First, I would think that a Power Lock that doesn't lock up would
*not* lead to broken axles since you'd be essentially open and torque
would be diverted to the wheel with the least amount of traction.
As for the axle kits, I don't know if you're talking about a CJ or YJ
Dana 30. If YJ, the 95 YJ's with ABS came with axles that used a larger
(ie Dana 44) u-joint and they are completely interchangeable. They are
hard to locate used, but can be had for $75-$100 per side. I believe
some XJ's had these shafts too. I think this would be a lot cheaper than
those "kits".
-Roger
6372 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:23pm
Subject: Re: Photos of The Wreck
Hey Tim,
Did anyone from the Virtual Jeep Club show up for the run?
I'm so glad that Sean is OK. He is such a nice person,
and was so proud of his TJ! My heart did a flip
when I heard the news.
Looks like the truck got the worst of it!
Jeeps are tough and you are so right, rocks are safer!
Did the impact employ the airbags?
Is Sean going to rebuild the TJ?
Leah
tim.naylor@w... wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
After a great day of wheelin at Woodpecker on 2/26, we were on the way
home. A truck ran a stop sign into Sean Perkins path. We were on hwy 79
just south of Florence. No injuries but Sean's TJ is a wreck.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
6373 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:24pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
I believe Superior Axle makes the axle kit that you are referring to. I seem to
remember it being about $500 total for both sides from 4Wheeler's Supply. As
far as strength, I don't think the R&P is going to be your concern. I'd look
more at your hubs. You didn't mention what kind of Jeep you have, but I would
opt to swap to the 6 bolt hubs (if you have the 5 bolt stockers still there).
You can do this pretty cheap by getting the inner hubs from a pre-'79 (I think)
CJ that has the 6 bolt hubs. Then purchase some 6 bolt Warn Premium locking
hubs (@$80). This should help to remedy hub breakage. You also didn't mention
what size tires you are running. I guess the next weak link would be the axles
themselves. Only way out of that one is a D44, etc, etc. But overall I would
think that going with the Superior Axles with the 297 ujoint (D44 size) and
swapping to a 6 bolt hub would help a lot. But if your running 35's or larger,
definately should think about swapping to D44 or D60. Take these suggestions
as you will......
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
6374 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:28pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Here are the comments from Phil Smith, a very respected poster (and Jeeper)
in the JU forum. Most of the folks there pay attention to what Phil says.
If memory serves me correctly, he usually leads several of the trail runs at
Moab during Easter Jeep Safari. He says:
-------------------------------------------------------
The Dana 30 axle is a reasonably good axle for the front of Jeep TJs. It is
a standard cut axle, which means the gear strength will be at it's maximum
when the Jeep is backing up, which is what puts the most stress on the front
axle components. This is an improvement over the reverse cut Dana 30 found
in YJs. The U-joints have also been upgraded to Dana 44 U-joints, which is
another big improvement.
I broke a front axle u-joint in my '97 TJ, and another front axle u-joint in
my '98 TJ. Both breakages occured while running 35s, and LockRight lockers;
and both occured on a high traction surface (slickrock).
I have seen LOTS of people listing a front Dana 44 axle on their "wish
list", or "five year plan". My question is WHY? Do you folks have an extra 3
grand burning a whole in your pocket or something?
As long as the only part you are breaking is the u-joint there is absolutely
NO reason to upgrade to a Dana 44. Even after spending 3 grand on a front
Dana 44 you're going to still have the same Dana 44 u-joint you were
breaking with the Dana 30; so your net gain in strength is ZERO. It's the
weak link that is most likely to fail first, and both axles have the same
weak link. Now if you were breaking ring and pinion gears, or even axle
shafts, it would be worth upgrading to a Dana 44. Thus far I have met very
few people that have broke anything other than an occaisional u-joint with
their Dana 30s. I can't say that I have actually met anyone that has broken
the shafts or gears, although I'm sure they exist. I mean we have proof on
this forum that people can break just about anything ... case in point:
front upper control arms.
Save your money folks. Why not spend it on a road trip to a four wheeling
destination you've always wanted to attend instead.
Phil.
'00 Patriot Blue WJ Ltd, 4.7 V-8, Quadra drive, Up-Country Suspension,
Teraflex 2" lift, Dunlop 265/70R-16s, Dynomax exhaust
'00 Silverstone TJ Sport, Auto, Dana 44. Currently at AEV Conversions being
converted to 104" wheelbase
----------------------------------------------------
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:mike.chatfield@r...]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:51
>To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
>Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>Last weekend the trail claimed yet another front Axle U-Joint, taking the
>axle with it.
>This has happened to me several times (this is my 4th) in the past few
>years.
>Needless to say I'm getting a little tired of rummaging through bone yards
>to find a
>replacement axle. Part of the problem is I'm running an old Power
>Lock diff
>in the
>front, which doesn't always lock up. With the tax return due back any day
>now,
>I will be changing out the Power Lock, in favor of a Detroit. Since I'm
>also looking
>at finding a replacement axle, I'm thinking about using an after-market kit
>that uses
>stronger axles and a larger (Dana 44?) u-joint. I don't remember who makes
>the kit,
>I just recall seeing it either in a magazine or catalog.
>
>My concern is this: By installing the stronger axles, am I just moving the
>"weak link"
>somewhere else (i.e. Ring/Pinion). I know my dad used to run a Power Lock
>in his
>front, and used to break U-Joints and Hubs. Now he has a Detroit, and the
>Warn
>Heavy Duty Hubs, so far he hasn't broken anything, but he is still
>using the
>stock
>axles. I'm interested in the stronger axles because I have to locate an
>axle already,
>I have the money, why not go for the stronger unit. However, I don't want
>to do this,
>if I'm risking breaking other, more expensive parts.
>
>Has anyone installed this in their Jeep, or have any advice for me?
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Mike Chatfield
>
>
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6375 From: Chatfield, Mike <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:37pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Stu,
Thanks, this gives me the information I need. I'm currently
running an '82 CJ-5. I did not know that the "new" jeeps
came with a stronger axle setup in the front. Now that I
know this, it appears to me that the manufacturer decided
the U-Joint was exceptionally weak. Also by the fact that
the U-Joints still break under heavy load relieve my worries
about moving the weak link; instead the weak link will be a
little bit stronger. Too bad I can't pull the axles from a
TJ; it'd cost me less I imagine.
Thanks,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@u...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 1:29 PM
To: Chatfield, Mike; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Here are the comments from Phil Smith, a very respected poster (and Jeeper)
in the JU forum. Most of the folks there pay attention to what Phil says.
If memory serves me correctly, he usually leads several of the trail runs at
Moab during Easter Jeep Safari. He says:
-------------------------------------------------------
The Dana 30 axle is a reasonably good axle for the front of Jeep TJs. It is
a standard cut axle, which means the gear strength will be at it's maximum
when the Jeep is backing up, which is what puts the most stress on the front
axle components. This is an improvement over the reverse cut Dana 30 found
in YJs. The U-joints have also been upgraded to Dana 44 U-joints, which is
another big improvement.
I broke a front axle u-joint in my '97 TJ, and another front axle u-joint in
my '98 TJ. Both breakages occured while running 35s, and LockRight lockers;
and both occured on a high traction surface (slickrock).
I have seen LOTS of people listing a front Dana 44 axle on their "wish
list", or "five year plan". My question is WHY? Do you folks have an extra 3
grand burning a whole in your pocket or something?
As long as the only part you are breaking is the u-joint there is absolutely
NO reason to upgrade to a Dana 44. Even after spending 3 grand on a front
Dana 44 you're going to still have the same Dana 44 u-joint you were
breaking with the Dana 30; so your net gain in strength is ZERO. It's the
weak link that is most likely to fail first, and both axles have the same
weak link. Now if you were breaking ring and pinion gears, or even axle
shafts, it would be worth upgrading to a Dana 44. Thus far I have met very
few people that have broke anything other than an occaisional u-joint with
their Dana 30s. I can't say that I have actually met anyone that has broken
the shafts or gears, although I'm sure they exist. I mean we have proof on
this forum that people can break just about anything ... case in point:
front upper control arms.
Save your money folks. Why not spend it on a road trip to a four wheeling
destination you've always wanted to attend instead.
Phil.
'00 Patriot Blue WJ Ltd, 4.7 V-8, Quadra drive, Up-Country Suspension,
Teraflex 2" lift, Dunlop 265/70R-16s, Dynomax exhaust
'00 Silverstone TJ Sport, Auto, Dana 44. Currently at AEV Conversions being
converted to 104" wheelbase
>
>
6376 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:43pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
Roger,
Thanks for the info.
The Power Lock does lock up, but not until the "light"
wheel starts to spin, then when it does kick in, the
"heavy" wheel gets an overload of torque and the
U-Joint explodes.
I've got an '82 CJ-5, with the narrow axles. Its
a shame I can't use the axles from a newer jeep
since that would save me money. But with this
information, I know that installing stronger axles
and U-Joint won't move the weak link, only make
it stronger.
Thanks,
Mike
=====================================
roger tomas <tomas-@a...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6371
> Mike,
>
> First, I would think that a Power Lock that doesn't lock up would
> *not* lead to broken axles since you'd be essentially open and torque
> would be diverted to the wheel with the least amount of traction.
>
> As for the axle kits, I don't know if you're talking about a CJ or YJ
> Dana 30. If YJ, the 95 YJ's with ABS came with axles that used a
larger
> (ie Dana 44) u-joint and they are completely interchangeable. They
are
> hard to locate used, but can be had for $75-$100 per side. I believe
> some XJ's had these shafts too. I think this would be a lot cheaper
than
> those "kits".
>
> -Roger
6377 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:43pm
Subject: Re: SOFT TOPS!!!
Keith Orr wrote:
> Did your soft top take a beating this winter?
> Steel Horse also has OEM Replacement Soft Tops.
> Only $239.95 - Free Storage Bag included!
> http://v4.youclick.net/GoNow/a10070a18243a214444a3
I don't know about this specific product, but experience has taught me
not to buy anything from Steel Horse.
Bestop (who _makes_ the OEM top) offers a replacement top. You can get
it through the usual mail order (like http://thinkjeep.com or
http://www.4wd.com ) or a local place like Desert Rat can order it for
you (sometimes they even have them in stock.) It'll cost a bit more
(like $265 or so instead of $240) but it's probably worth it to avoid
Steel Horse.
6378 From: DeVincentis, Jason <Jason_DeVincentis@I...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 2:09pm
Subject: stock rims???
Hello,
Just wanted to know if a stock XJ rim has the same bolt pattern as a YJ, i.e. are the rims interchangable between vehicles. Thanks.
Jason
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6379 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 2:32pm
Subject: Tires and Rims
I have had an offer for my tires from outside the club. I will make these
tires and rims available to anyone in the club for the same price if they
want them. Please let me know by Friday when I told him I would let him know.
4 - 31x10.5 Dunlop Radial Mud Rovers about 1/4 used - aggressive off road tire
1 - 31x10.5 BFG AT never used - moderately aggressive road tire
All on American Racing Aluminum OEM Sahara Rims - excellent shape
$200 for all 5
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
----------------------------
6380 From: mike stenson <mstens1@y...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 2:40pm
Subject: Re: stock rims???
Yep, both XJ's, YJ's and TJ's have a 5 on 4.5' bolt pattern. Not sure
about ZJ's and WJ's as Ive never checked them out up close and personal.
mike
"devincentis, jason" <jason_devincenti-@i...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6378
> Hello,
>
> Just wanted to know if a stock XJ rim has the same bolt pattern as a
YJ,
> i.e. are the rims interchangable between vehicles. Thanks.
>
> Jason
>
6381 From: DeVincentis, Jason <Jason_DeVincentis@I...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 1:52pm
Subject: stock rims???
Hello,
Just wanted to know if a stock XJ rim has the same bolt pattern as a YJ, i.e. are the rims interchangable between vehicles. Thanks.
Jason
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6382 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 3:57pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Tech: Dana 30 Axles
4x4 power recommends the Warn axles with the Dana 30. They are stronger
axles and ujoints. The Detroit is probally the stongest unit to put in
the 30. You didn't say if you have an XJ/MJ or the CJ/TJ/YJ but the
XJ/MJ Dana 30 is about 30% stronger in the ring gear as it is a reverse
rotation unit where as the others are normal rotatation which cause
driving on the coast side of the ring gear. (Not sure which an ZJ has).
"Chatfield, Mike" wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Last weekend the trail claimed yet another front Axle U-Joint, taking the
> axle with it.
> This has happened to me several times (this is my 4th) in the past few
> years.
> Needless to say I'm getting a little tired of rummaging through bone yards
> to find a
> replacement axle. Part of the problem is I'm running an old Power Lock diff
> in the
> front, which doesn't always lock up. With the tax return due back any day
> now,
> I will be changing out the Power Lock, in favor of a Detroit. Since I'm
> also looking
> at finding a replacement axle, I'm thinking about using an after-market kit
> that uses
> stronger axles and a larger (Dana 44?) u-joint. I don't remember who makes
> the kit,
> I just recall seeing it either in a magazine or catalog.
>
> My concern is this: By installing the stronger axles, am I just moving the
> "weak link"
> somewhere else (i.e. Ring/Pinion). I know my dad used to run a Power Lock
> in his
> front, and used to break U-Joints and Hubs. Now he has a Detroit, and the
> Warn
> Heavy Duty Hubs, so far he hasn't broken anything, but he is still using the
> stock
> axles. I'm interested in the stronger axles because I have to locate an
> axle already,
> I have the money, why not go for the stronger unit. However, I don't want
> to do this,
> if I'm risking breaking other, more expensive parts.
>
> Has anyone installed this in their Jeep, or have any advice for me?
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mike Chatfield
>
>
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6383 From: DeVincentis, Jason <Jason_DeVincentis@I...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 4:10pm
Subject: lift kit for an XJ
Anyone know of a good 5-5.5" lift kit for an XJ. The largest I found was a 4.5" from RE. Does anyone make larger lifts, or are there different mods to get the extra 1" in the lift. Thanks again.
Jason
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6384 From: Michael Chatfield <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 4:09pm
Subject: Looking for a Spare Tire
Hello All,
I recently upsized my Jeeps tires, and was just
reminded by reading another e-mail that I still
need to find a new spare tire.
Has anyone got extra 33 x 12.50 tires lying around
that they wouldn't mind selling to another jeeper?
I'm currently running BFG Mud Terrians, but any
33x12.5 would work as long as it holds air and isn't
completly bald.
Thanks in advance,
Mike Chatfield
6385 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 4:19pm
Subject: Re: Tires and Rims
The tires are gone. Sorry to anyone who thought this was too good a deal to pass up.
Jon
At 05:13 PM 3/8/2000 -0600, Scott Bruns wrote:
Hi Jon.
I'm interested in your tires and rims. I assume these will fit a Wrangler?
Scott Bruns
scott.bruns@rockfordcorp.com
480-517-3067 (work)
480-893-7630 (home)
>>> Jon Loveless 3/8/00 3:32:35 PM >>>
I have had an offer for my tires from outside the club. I will make these
tires and rims available to anyone in the club for the same price if they
want them. Please let me know by Friday when I told him I would let him know.
4 - 31x10.5 Dunlop Radial Mud Rovers about 1/4 used - aggressive off road tire
1 - 31x10.5 BFG AT never used - moderately aggressive road tire
All on American Racing Aluminum OEM Sahara Rims - excellent shape
$200 for all 5
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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6386 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 4:51pm
Subject: Re: rock crawling event
Well, I'll be in a big green tent! White Grinnell Fire Protection truck (kinda hard to miss with the rainbow stripes). I have a Blue trailer for the JEEP and a blue 1955 Willys CJ3B, if you happen to catch me in camp. Linda, if you're reading, describe your rig. I know about the Dodge, and the ZJ......... Maybe we need a big banner on your Motorhome!!
WILDCAT
1955 WILLYS CJ3B
Custom Everything
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Eller
Cc: 4x4 Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 1:15 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: rock crawling event
What kind of vehicles/rv's should I be looking for? And where is the
"Jamboree" campground again? I kind of ignored those messages when they
came around since I wasn't going to be camping. ;)
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
William Mish wrote:
> Why don't we just meet at camp? I'll be in the "Jamboree" campgrounds,
> sounds like Linda will be too, Lets meet at her camp!WILDCAT
> 1955 WILLYS CJ3B
> Custom Everything
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6387 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 5:06pm
Subject: Re: Photos of WhtTanks-WetWild0305
Exit Miller road south. Take first left heading east. Take first left north
under I-10. Proceed ~1-2 miles...there are dunes to play on. then head off
in the northwest direction....pretty good trail through a wash.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
Avondale Arizona
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From: RICK NORMAN <RICKANDVANDA@p...>
To: rskinner@s... <rskinner@s...>; az_vjc@egroups.com
<az_vjc@egroups.com>; rsmith@d... <rsmith@d...>;
jim-joan@w... <jim-joan@w...>; jim@j...
<jim@j...>; romort@h... <romort@h...>
Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 1:15 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Photos of WhtTanks-WetWild0305
>Is this the same White Tank mountains that are west of Phoenix?? I thought
>that area was closed to 4wd's. If it is not closed, wheres the best place
>to go ??
>
>Thx!
>Rick
>wht91xj(4x4xfun)
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>Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:21 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Photos of WhtTanks-WetWild0305
>
>
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6388 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 5:13pm
Subject: Re: stock rims???
The stock rims on the vehicle you mentioned are all 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern - so they're interchangeable. I believe stock backspacing is also standard.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: DeVincentis, Jason
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 3:09 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] stock rims???
Hello,
Just wanted to know if a stock XJ rim has the same bolt pattern as a YJ, i.e. are the rims interchangable between vehicles. Thanks.
Jason
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6389 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 0:14pm
Subject: Re: SOFT TOPS!!!
Ill second that. I have a 1 1/2 year old besttop and so far so good. and that
was even after (rookie me) tried to put the top back up while it was very
cold.
Steve
6390 From: Eric Herring <herring@u...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 5:11pm
Subject: Re: stock rims???
Yup, in fact most years they used exactly the same wheels.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 3:10 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] stock rims???
Hello,
Just wanted to know if a stock XJ rim has the same bolt pattern as a YJ, i.e. are the rims interchangable between vehicles. Thanks.
Jason
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6391 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2000 5:36pm
Subject: Re: fenders
i dunno how similar "his" fenders are to a CJ, but when i trimmed mine
i just took the fenders off. then i drew a line with a pen where i
wanted to cut right on the fenders, plugged in the jigsaw(with a
steel-cutting blade of course) and went to town.
Joey
monosyllabic guy
iltodl-@a... wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6350
> I, umm, have this "friend" who, uhh, was wondering what would be the
best
> tool to use to trim some sheet metal off of, for example, maybe a '92
> Cherokee? Also, is there anything that should be done to prepare the
newly
> exposed bare metal edge to keep corrosion at bay? I know I
definitely want
> to nip off the part just behind the front bumper and below the turn
signlas,
> but you never know what a small project like that could turn into. I
removed
> my flares and realized that there is a slight waxy buildup that makes
a great
> line that I, err, I mean "he" could follow. I'm sure someone here
has
> trimmed their fenders before, and any info I could get would be
greatly
> appreciated.