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6267 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 5:52am
Subject: Re: Local Sye
OPTIONAL HIGH ANGLE CV - For only $50 extra, we will provide a high angle CV
which is used with driveshaft angles equal or greater than 15 degrees (in
many case less than that) at the transfer case. In almost all cases, when
using this high angle CV (up to 40 degrees max.), the transfer case does not
have to be lowered.
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6268 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:01am
Subject: Fw: Coves Cleanup Article
Great article. Check it out at www.alloffroad.com (the link posted in the
first message had an errant '>' in it).
Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
> To: <az_vjc@m...>
> Cc: <bmoorman@w...>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 6:28 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Coves Cleanup Article
>
>
> > I wrote an article on the Coves Cleanup and submitted it to Jesus Chio
of
> > alloffroad.com, an Internet only "e-zine" about off-roading and 4x4s. He
> > put it up immediately - AZ_VJC logo and all. Your picture may be there.
Go
> > see it at: <http://www.alloffroad.com/>.
> >
> > Pass the word.
> > ---------------------------
> > Jon Loveless
> > 480-816-6240
> > jloveless@e...
> > ----------------------------
> >
> >
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6269 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:03am
Subject: Fw: Fw: [JEEP-L] FWD: From Clark Collins, Blue Ribbon Coalition
Today's the day for the Call In to help stop road closures. See below for
details.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
To: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: [JEEP-L] FWD: From Clark Collins, Blue Ribbon
Coalition
> Sorry if this was already posted to the group...but just in case it
wasn't,
> I thought I'd pass it along.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Smith, Steven <smiths@d...>
> To: <jeep-l@m...>
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 8:35 AM
> Subject: [JEEP-L] FWD: From Clark Collins, Blue Ribbon Coalition
>
>
> > Hey Guys -
> >
> > Mark your calendars - only takes a couple of minutes..
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > > ACTION ALERT
> > >
> > > To: All Multiple-Use Recreationists:
> > >
> > > MULTIPLE USE RECREATIONISTS TO CALL-IN ON MARCH 7
> > >
> > > On March 9, the anti-everyone-but-me crowd is planning a national
> > > call-in
> > > day to the US Forest Service urging them to (functionally) BAN all OHV
> > > recreation on lands managed by the Forest Service. We have to upstage
> > > them
> > > in a massive way by preempting their strike with one of our own!
> > >
> > > On March 7, the Blue Ribbon Coalition, along with a number of
> > > multiple-use
> > > recreation and resource groups, is planning a national PRO-OHV call-in
> > > day.
> > > The reason for having our call-in on March 7 is because if we don't
> > > separate our call-in by at least one day...our legislators and federal
> > > agencies might CONFUSE our call-in with that of our opponents.
> > >
> > > This is a maximum effort campaign by our side and all of us need to
make
> > >
> > > sure that we burn up the email, phone, and FAX lines into the Forest
> > > Service. Please reroute this ALERT to your own communication networks
> > > so
> > > that our voices will be heard by Chief Dombeck.
> > >
> > > Please email, phone, and FAX your positive comments about how
important
> > > responsible OHV recreation is to millions of Americans. Be sure and
> > > tell
> > > the Chief about how OHV recreation relates to your family or business.
> > >
> > > Here are some things you might include in your comments.
> > >
> > > 1) OHV users are protecting the environment by promoting user ethics
as
> > > outlined by groups and organizations such as; Tread Lightly!, the Blue
> > > Ribbon Coalition, United Four Wheel Drive Associations, American
Council
> > > of
> > > Snowmobile Associations, National Off Highway Vehicle Conservation
> > > Council,
> > > and the American Motorcyclist Association (list other groups in this
> > > list
> > > as well)
> > >
> > > 2) OHV users contribute thousands of man/woman hours each year on
> > > volunteer
> > > programs that protect and preserve our natural resources.
> > >
> > > 3) OHV users support managed recreational opportunities on Forest
> > > Service
> > > lands.
> > >
> > > 4) While most OHV users support the original intent of the 1964
> > > Wilderness
> > > Act to protect lands untrammeled by modern man, the lands currently
> > > available for multiple-use must be managed and remain open for the
> > > general
> > > public to use and enjoy for a wide variety of opportunities.
> > >
> > > 5) OHV users do not support the Presidents roadless directive that
could
> > >
> > > CLOSE millions of acres of prime multiple-use recreation areas that
have
> > >
> > > established and legal recreational roads, trails, and dispersed
> > > campgrounds.
> > >
> > > 6) Tell the Chief that you want him to ask for funds to adequately
> > > support
> > > the Forest Services recreation and trail programs. For many years the
> > > Forest Service has said they support recreation but they have NOT
asked
> > > for
> > > the appropriated monies to do so.
> > >
> > > Please call, email, and FAX to the numbers below on March 7th (if you
> > > can't
> > > get through on the 7th continue on the 8th):
> > >
> > > Chief Mike Dombeck
> > > Email: Mike.Dombeck/wo@f...
> > > FAX: (202)205-1765
> > > Phone: (202)205-1661
> > >
> > > Again, thanks for your time and effort to promote and protect
> > > responsible
> > > OHV recreation on our public lands. Don't let the Sierra Club, The
> > > Wilderness Society, the Wildlands Center for Preventing Roads, and
other
> > >
> > > extreme preservationist groups cast aspersions on all the hard work
that
> > >
> > > you have done to make OHV recreation the family-oriented sport it is
> > > today.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
>
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6270 From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:10am
Subject: SYE from local co. Bad experience
-----Original Message-----
From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
To: XJ- List <xj-list@m...>
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:06 AM
Subject: SYE from local co. Bad experience
>I didn't get the SYE but I did try the Rock crawler Drive shaft they sell.
>Sucked Big time. They tried to ballance the first one three times and just
>couldn't get it right. Sat there all day. Bad vibes at about 60-70. The
>shaft weighed about 50lbs. I finally told them to forget it and just build
>me a regular replacement. Went home in front wheel drive, left the shaft at
>the shop. Next day new shaft, Now I had vibes starting at 45 and up and got
>worse at 55+. I told them it had to be their machine, they said no way.
>Tried to balance one more time still no good. I said forget it and took the
>shaft to Dicks Drive Shaft in phoenix to get it checked out. They said and
>showed me two flat spot and told me after rebalancing it that it was bent.
>After Dick's was done with what they could do with it, it is now much
>smoother not perfect but I can live with it. Went back for the difference
in
>price about $100.00 I think, they said They don't have the first shaft and
>won't refund the difference until they find it, now I know i'm getting
>screwed. This my experience with Gloeco other's may have had better or
>worse. Do you want to take the chance......
>
>
6271 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:09am
Subject: And the Sonw keep fallin!
Hey All,
I wnet on a shake down in the cherokee on broken arrow on sunday afternoon
just to see what the changes made did for me...it was raining and muddy. not
a lick of traction....really fun. It started to snow and is still snowing I
dont think it has stopped yet! I have 18" of snow on the baja bug in the
back yard!.
I was just wondering whats it like down south in the warm climate and if it
keeps up how will it affect this weekend? Im kinda looking forward to
camping thursday, friday, and saturday.
Oh well gotta go shovel the white stuff.
Brian Harmon
88 XJ
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6272 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:16am
Subject: No to the Roadless Initiative - Please keep public access to public lands!
I respectfully urge you not to pursue the Roadless Initiative - and please
keep public lands open to the public! I realize your under pressure for some
of the more extreme elements to close off access to public lands, but the
overwhelming sentiment of the public is to maintain recreational access to
public lands.
I belong to the largest 4x4 club in the state of Arizona, and we actively
and successfully promote the Tread Lightly program, and are also active in
trail clean up efforts. In fact, we just finished a very large and
successful clean up of the Coves at Saguaro Lake. We had excellent
cooperation form the Mesa Ranger's district, and will shortly be organizing
similar events - including "Adopt a Trail".
4 wheeling is an excellent family oriented endeavor - and the current
proposal will ultimately result in the denial of access to public lands for
ourselves and future generations. Please keep public lands open.
Doug
azjeep@h...
snail mail:
1891 W. Honeysuckle Lane
Chandler, Arizona 85248
6273 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:14am
Subject: Re: SYE from local co. Bad experience
Good enough for me to stay away from....
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Dockmond Tse [mailto:chiena@e...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:11 AM
To: VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] SYE from local co. Bad experience
-----Original Message-----
From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
To: XJ- List <xj-list@m...>
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:06 AM
Subject: SYE from local co. Bad experience
>I didn't get the SYE but I did try the Rock crawler Drive shaft they sell.
>Sucked Big time. They tried to ballance the first one three times and just
>couldn't get it right. Sat there all day. Bad vibes at about 60-70. The
>shaft weighed about 50lbs. I finally told them to forget it and just build
>me a regular replacement. Went home in front wheel drive, left the shaft at
>the shop. Next day new shaft, Now I had vibes starting at 45 and up and got
>worse at 55+. I told them it had to be their machine, they said no way.
>Tried to balance one more time still no good. I said forget it and took the
>shaft to Dicks Drive Shaft in phoenix to get it checked out. They said and
>showed me two flat spot and told me after rebalancing it that it was bent.
>After Dick's was done with what they could do with it, it is now much
>smoother not perfect but I can live with it. Went back for the difference
in
>price about $100.00 I think, they said They don't have the first shaft and
>won't refund the difference until they find it, now I know i'm getting
>screwed. This my experience with Gloeco other's may have had better or
>worse. Do you want to take the chance......
>
>
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6274 From: Rick Buddrus <buddrus@f...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:15am
Subject: Good news from Alaska
I know it is hard for us to get excited about something that is going
on 4000 miles to the north and involves snowmobiles,but I just received
this e-mail and thought it was important to post,if for no other reason
but to demonstrate that we can make a difference if we are persistant
in our efforts. If you don't think the "call in" today is important,
think again and then make the call. To all the people in this group
that are out there fighting the land use battles, this one is for you.
RB
Originally transmitted by Rachael Thomas
We are making a difference. We must keep up the fight.
__________________________________________________ ___
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 7:09 PM
Subject: Fw: DENALI JUDGE'S RULING FINDS NPS PLAN VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:00 AM
> Subject: DENALI JUDGE'S RULING FINDS NPS PLAN VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW
>
>
> IRBA members and supporters.
>
> Good news from Alaska ........ no.. ...... GREAT news from Alaska!
>
> The following is an article taken from the March issue of BlueRibbon
> Magazine. (It is also attached - highlighted - in Word 6.0 for your
> convenience)
> By the way it is a great magazine and it is linked to the IRBA web
site if
> you'd like to subscribe.
>
> While this case certainly will certainly influence, through
precedent, the
> IRBA case against the NPS - the IRBA case is clearly much stronger
due to
> the strength of the legislative committee reports showing the
unambiguous
> intent of congress to provide for recreational activities.
Additionally
the NPS actions are far more egregious.
>
> fgb
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
-
> -----
>
>
> DENALI JUDGE'S RULING FINDS NPS PLAN VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW
>
> LAW GIVES SNOWMOBILERS ACCESS TO DENALI
>
> by Fred Pratt
> Freelance Journalist from Alaska
>
> (emphasis added)
>
> The National Park Service (NPS), fresh from a defeat in court where a
> JUDGE DETERMINED THE AGENCY (NPS) HAD ILLEGALLY BANNED SNOWMACHINES IN
> DENALI NATIONAL PARK FOR 18 YEARS, is tying to renew their ban with a
> twisted reading of the law.
>
> The NPS finished the public hearing process in early December for the
> fast-track new regulation that it hopes will meet the law's standards
for
> banning snowmachines from the core area of the park, the original
> boundaries that existed before its expansion in the Alaska National
> Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA) of 1980.
>
> While some public sentiment expressed at the Fairbanks hearing was in
> favor of the ban, the snowmachiners still have the law on their side.
> ANILCA gives them the right to ride in Denali unless the park service
can
> show a ban is "necessary to protect" the "natural and other values
of
the park."
>
> THE NPS IS TYING TO JUSTIFY ITS SNOWMACHINE BAN BY A SELECTIVE
READING OF
> ANILCA. It interprets the law as allowing snowmachines only for
> "traditional activities" and its regulatory findings in support of
the
new law claim that these traditional activities have to have been
lawfully
> established in the past in this area of the park, and that traditional
> activities are strictly limited to only subsistence and sport hunting,
> fishing, berry picking, and perhaps, trapping.
>
>
> The NPS staffer at Fairbanks's hearing said that ANILCA prescribes
these
> limited interpretations of traditional activities. This is the kind
of
> skillful lie for which his agency is so well known. ANILCA does not
define
> "traditional activities" in any way, and nothing in the act mentions
these
> specific things in the NPS lists.
>
> The language on hunting, fishing, and berry picking does not come from
> ANILCA itself, but from the accompanying congressional committee
reports
> that gave some of the groundwork and understanding of the law. These
> reports do not have the force of law or the authority to limit the
meaning of the law itself, as the NPS contends.
>
> The specific law in question ANILCA 1110, is quite different from the
one
> NPS puts forward. First off, it applies "notwithstanding any other
> provision of " a" or other law. That means the snowmachine use in
Denali
> was legalized at the time ANILCA was passed in December 1980. Second,
> section 1110 states the Secretary of Interior "shall permit" the use
of
> snowmachines. Again, strong language on the side of the land users.
>
> THE LAW ALLOWS USE OF SNOWMACHINES, MOTORBOATS, AIRPLANES, AND
> NON-MOTORIZED SURFACE TRANSPORTATION OR TRADITIONAL ACTIVITIES AND FOR
> TRAVEL TO AND FROM VILLAGE HOMESITES.
>
> There is no mention of what traditional activity is, and there is no
> limitation that it has to be established by widespread use before or
after
> any certain time, or over any certain piece of ground. SIGHTSEEING AND
> OUTDOOR RECREATION ON SNOWMACHINES IS CLEARLY A TRADITIONAL ACTIVITY
IN
> ALASKA. ANILCA OPENS DENALI NATIONAL PARK TO THAT USE.
>
> As one who was there and intimately involved at the time ANILCA was
> written, I can also say a little about the committee report that NPS
tried
> to promote to the status of a law.
>
> The concern at the time ANILCA was written was that putting so much of
> Alaska under federal conservation systems would be disruptive if the
usual rules that applied to national parks in the lower 48 states
applied across rural Alaska.
>
> That's why we have the subsistence hunting provision in ANILCA, the
> guaranteed access to inholdings and the "traditional use" of our
> snowmachines, motorboats and aircraft.
>
> At one time, it was proposed to have the specific use of "subsistence
> snowmachining" defined in ANILCA.. That was dropped because it would
not
> allow all the rest of a rural Alaskan's use of snowmachines, and so
the
> broader language of Section 1110 was adopted. The comments in the
committee report merely specify that Congress clearly means to include
subsistence activities under the scope of "traditional activities,"
not to limit it to just those activities.
>
> Fred Pratt, a freelance journalist living in Fairbanks, is a reporter
and
> long-time observer of Alaska politics.
>
>
6275 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:22am
Subject: Re: expensive weekend
Len,
You might want to drop a note to the Surgeon General's office and request
they put a warning label on the TJs. It might read:
"The Surgeon General has determined that brief exposure to a TJ may be
hazardous to your budget." LOL!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@c...]
>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 06:14
>To: AZVJC
>Subject: [az_vjc] expensive weekend
>
>
>Howdy y'all
>
>I would be up for helping out Al...........perhaps if he did an
>inventory of
>what is salvagable off of the Ox and posted a "wish list" of parts needed
>for his new rig (whatever it may be) we could all contribute some parts out
>of the "pile in the garage" that we all have.
>
>On another note, it turned out to be an expensive weekend for me
>too.......in a happy way though. First, I found out that my limited slip
>rear is now a full slip. I also got to go for my first ride in not one but
>two vehicles with lockers at both ends, so I'm shopping for lockers.
>Anybody have anything lying around for a front D44 or a rear D60? ( I can
>hope, can't I?)
>
>I also got myself into a hole that required a rock stack to get me out of,
>so a few inches of lift and some bigger tires are on the shopping list too.
>I announced to the 2nd Cove group that the tax return was going
>towards lift
>and tires, then found out when I got to the campsite that my wife-to-be was
>listening to the group chatter on the CB! OOPS!!
>
>Those aren't the most expensive things though.......Pam already had the
>offroad bug from going out with me in the J10, but when Stu took her for a
>ride in his TJ she got hooked in a big way. As soon as she got out of the
>Jeep she said "The Dakota is for sale!"
>
>Sooooo.......in addition to a lift, lockers and tires for me,
>we're shopping
>for a "little Jeep" for Pam. In order to make sure she gets exactly what
>she wants, we would like to ask a favor of the group: Pam would like to
>ride along during a trail run in a TJ, a YJ and a CJ to see which
>"fits" and
>"feels" best. Perhaps Bill A could even let her tag along in the M38
>sometime. You've all seen my rig, so you know that I have no fear of "some
>work required" (hee hee) and neither does she. In fact, Jeep fever has bit
>hard enough to make her postpone the project she's wanted to build for
>years: a '55 Chevy street rod with a 454 and a 4 speed. We'll have one
>eventually, but first we're going to build TWO Jeeps.
>
>
>
>Thanks to everyone for all their help in the Coves. We had a blast camping
>with Stu and Sinan.........hopefully we can do it again soon - without the
>rain.
>
>
>take care
>
>Len and Pam
>
>
>
>
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6276 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:26am
Subject: Re: Bar-BQ Oxen
I think that would be a nice idea as well as educational for those of
us still learning mechanics. If I remember right Al is in Tucson and as
I am too, I'll be willing to help on my days off, (usually Mon. & Tue).
Just let me know when and where.
Hal Loy (Wizard)
93YJ - Tucson
"o'boyle, david" <david.oboyl-@b...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6255
> I think we need to all band together and help rebuild ol blue ox....
Any
> comments???
> You know like a club project but to help out a friend (Al Dickson).
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Radcoon [mailto:My1stJeep@e...]
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:14 AM
> To: Jeep AzVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Bar-BQ Oxen
>
>
> Sorry to hear about your loss. Thank god you came out all right.
Let us
> know if there is anything we can do to help, like search for a new
one?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 08:27:48 -0700, DougB wrote:
>
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6277 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:28am
Subject: Re: expensive weekend
My YJ has a seat that is usually empty, I don't run in the Phoenix area as
much as I would like but am always willing to give a ride to a fellow
"Jeeper".
Hal Loy (Wizard)
93YJ - Tucson
6278 From: Chatfield, Mike <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:36am
Subject: Rock Crawling Championships
Hello all,
I just signed up on the webpage and wanted to know more about the
Rock Crawling Championships. Specifically what I'd like to know is:
1. Where is it? Directions on how to get there, etc.
2. What is the event schedule? What is happening on a day to day
basis, what time do things kick off and end, etc.
3. Is there any cost as a spectator? I'd love to be a participant, but
I had a front U-Joint explode on me Saturday (Spare Tire Canyon)
Thanks in advance,
Mike Chatfield
(82 CJ5)
6279 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:40am
Subject: Re: Please read, Agua Frian Basin
You did good, Dave.
What Dave said is how it is. Maricopa County has a rule on the books that
can impact any land owner with "an open area or a lot larger than .10
acres". It was different to see the forest service, BLM, AZ. State Trust
Land, etc. all on the same side as the off-roaders.
To give you an idea of how screwed up things have become, the City of
Phoenix PD is writing tickets to people who are recreating on AZ State Trust
Land at the North end of Phoenix. These people have current state trust
land use permits. There is a 38 year old law on the books (City of Phoenix)
about making dust, etc. so the Phoenix PD is enforcing it. It is such a
#%^&! screw-up. You have a person who is given a permit to be on the land,
and a by-product of that person being there is some dust. The Phoenix PD
writes the guy a ticket for the dust. Even the EPA supervisor, who chaired
the meeting, said he could certainly understand how the off-road community
would get extremely frustrated by these kind of actions happening around the
valley.
Yes folks, things are getting pretty screwed up. It will no doubt take some
great effort to get these things ironed out. As members of a large off-road
community (mountain bikers, horses, motorcycles and ATVs, Jeepers, etc.) we
can and MUST get involved to get the laws and regs cleared up.
I'll try to keep the list members updated when I hear things, as I am sure
Dave will too. Another positive is that AZ Trust people seem to be taking
the initiative to organized the next meeting. They said they would
certainly work on getting it to happen after regular working hours so more
people can attend! Way to go Tammy!
Later........Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: O'Boyle, David [mailto:David.OBoyle@b...]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 06:19
>To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
>Subject: [az_vjc] Please read, Agua Frian Basin
>
>
>Ok, I am no recorder by any means so here goes..
>
>Basically the EPA has drafted a law that requires land owners be it BLM or
>Joe average to eleminate dust on land more than a 10th of an acre.
>The river
>bottom basin is an area of not only private but BLM land. The area of MAJOR
>concern is the area off of the Camelback bridge. Therre is a Co.
>named Cemex
>that owns the river bottom in that section of the basin. Blm owns the west
>section
>from the edge of the river bed to the fence line to the west. Cemex was
>issued a warning by the Epa to close this area off due to the dust. The
>particulates were severly bad in this area and the nearby
>neighborhoods were
>complaning regulary. Now it is my understanding that the Epa is trying to
>get Arizona parks and rec. to take over the issue of relocation or dust
>control of the area.
>There were A few key people at this meeting that had some very improtant
>issues.
>Blm, "you can't close these lands down to the OHV community or
>there will be
>more sevre problems elsewhere"
>Game and Fish, "you are going to effect the reaserch and projects that we
>are trying to conduct, also game control and species tracking". There were
>also numerous people reflecting the OHV community, there were Ballooist and
>even A guy who rides horses.
>They all had very important points that the Epa took into account and
>responded to. There also was a man who Volinteringly was representing the
>OHV community Grant fund (gas tax) who stated to the Epa that if
>these lands
>were closed and or restricted that not only would WE (ohv com.) but the
>Epa,Blm,G&F,Parks&rec. loose the grants for such purposes as the dust
>problem and the relocation or creation of an OHV park.
>
>This meeting kind of boiled down to the fact that there were 3 diffrent
>agencies in the govt. that were defeating eachothers purposes.
>National forest serv. had a meeting last week and discussed the new land
>grab issues and OHV use. they were trying to implement a plan and the Epa
>has stepped on the Forest services feet by closing such areas.
>Basically it's all about money $$. If Epa cannot get the air quality better
>they will loose 2.8billion dollars in funds.
>I am not sure where this 2.8billion dollars is going to go or not go I just
>know that this is thier purpose.
>
>Closing,
>If they want to close us out of certian areas they Damn well better provide
>us with something bigger and better. I used to use this area all
>the time to
>play on the rocks and mud pits.. But we cannot defeat the sprawl
>of the city
>and people will complain.
>The Blm and Game and Fish and National forest serv. are on our side. They
>want to help us help the situation. They were actually amazed as
>to how many
>people showed up. 3 Azvjc members, Asa4wdc (Sandee), Mesa 4wheeler member,
>Land cruser club member. After the meeting I spoke to a guy that was with
>the BLM, He informed me that they want to stand behind the OHV comm. and
>will do what they can to assist. It was decided by all that there was too
>much involved and too little of the Higher up Govt. people there to even
>come up with any answers. So there will be another meeting soon.
>If you have
>any questions please feel free to e-mail me. Hal Loy and Stu Olsen
>were both
>at the meeting also so they may have more to add.
>I appolagize if it seems scrambled but I have been up for almost 36hrs
>now......
>Dave (AZXJ)
>I tried!!
>
>
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6280 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:41am
Subject: Re: SYE from local co..
I had the same thought about the shaft maintaining its original length. I've
heard Rubicon Express makes the same type of kit but in theirs you cut the
yolk to shorten it then tap in a retaining bolt. I haven't checked with R.E.
on it yet though.
Hal Loy (Wizard)
93YJ - Tucson
6281 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:41am
Subject: free
I am a beta tester for DeLorme products. After the last product test was
completed they gave me a re-conditioned EarthMate GPS. I will only work
with a laptop or Palm computer. Althought I have a laptop it isn't
something I want to carry around in my Jeep.
If anyone has a real use for this, email me and explain and it is yours.
First come, etc.
Jon
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
----------------------------
6282 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:49am
Subject: Re: Please read, Agua Frian Basin
I don't mean to be flip, but it occurred to me that now is a good time to show these folks that dust isn't a problem. We have had 2 days of rain. We won't have dust for several weeks at this rate.
At 08:40 AM 3/7/2000 -0700, Stu Olson wrote:
You did good, Dave.
What Dave said is how it is. Maricopa County has a rule on the books that
can impact any land owner with "an open area or a lot larger than .10
acres". It was different to see the forest service, BLM, AZ. State Trust
Land, etc. all on the same side as the off-roaders.
To give you an idea of how screwed up things have become, the City of
Phoenix PD is writing tickets to people who are recreating on AZ State Trust
Land at the North end of Phoenix. These people have current state trust
land use permits. There is a 38 year old law on the books (City of Phoenix)
about making dust, etc. so the Phoenix PD is enforcing it. It is such a
#%^&! screw-up. You have a person who is given a permit to be on the land,
and a by-product of that person being there is some dust. The Phoenix PD
writes the guy a ticket for the dust. Even the EPA supervisor, who chaired
the meeting, said he could certainly understand how the off-road community
would get extremely frustrated by these kind of actions happening around the
valley.
Yes folks, things are getting pretty screwed up. It will no doubt take some
great effort to get these things ironed out. As members of a large off-road
community (mountain bikers, horses, motorcycles and ATVs, Jeepers, etc.) we
can and MUST get involved to get the laws and regs cleared up.
I'll try to keep the list members updated when I hear things, as I am sure
Dave will too. Another positive is that AZ Trust people seem to be taking
the initiative to organized the next meeting. They said they would
certainly work on getting it to happen after regular working hours so more
people can attend! Way to go Tammy!
Later........Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: O'Boyle, David [mailto:David.OBoyle@bannerhealth.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 06:19
>To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
>Subject: [az_vjc] Please read, Agua Frian Basin
>
>
>Ok, I am no recorder by any means so here goes..
>
>Basically the EPA has drafted a law that requires land owners be it BLM or
>Joe average to eleminate dust on land more than a 10th of an acre.
>The river
>bottom basin is an area of not only private but BLM land. The area of MAJOR
>concern is the area off of the Camelback bridge. Therre is a Co.
>named Cemex
>that owns the river bottom in that section of the basin. Blm owns the west
>section
>from the edge of the river bed to the fence line to the west. Cemex was
>issued a warning by the Epa to close this area off due to the dust. The
>particulates were severly bad in this area and the nearby
>neighborhoods were
>complaning regulary. Now it is my understanding that the Epa is trying to
>get Arizona parks and rec. to take over the issue of relocation or dust
>control of the area.
>There were A few key people at this meeting that had some very improtant
>issues.
>Blm, "you can't close these lands down to the OHV community or
>there will be
>more sevre problems elsewhere"
>Game and Fish, "you are going to effect the reaserch and projects that we
>are trying to conduct, also game control and species tracking". There were
>also numerous people reflecting the OHV community, there were Ballooist and
>even A guy who rides horses.
>They all had very important points that the Epa took into account and
>responded to. There also was a man who Volinteringly was representing the
>OHV community Grant fund (gas tax) who stated to the Epa that if
>these lands
>were closed and or restricted that not only would WE (ohv com.) but the
>Epa,Blm,G&F,Parks&rec. loose the grants for such purposes as the dust
>problem and the relocation or creation of an OHV park.
>
>This meeting kind of boiled down to the fact that there were 3 diffrent
>agencies in the govt. that were defeating eachothers purposes.
>National forest serv. had a meeting last week and discussed the new land
>grab issues and OHV use. they were trying to implement a plan and the Epa
>has stepped on the Forest services feet by closing such areas.
>Basically it's all about money $$. If Epa cannot get the air quality better
>they will loose 2.8billion dollars in funds.
>I am not sure where this 2.8billion dollars is going to go or not go I just
>know that this is thier purpose.
>
>Closing,
>If they want to close us out of certian areas they Damn well better provide
>us with something bigger and better. I used to use this area all
>the time to
>play on the rocks and mud pits.. But we cannot defeat the sprawl
>of the city
>and people will complain.
>The Blm and Game and Fish and National forest serv. are on our side. They
>want to help us help the situation. They were actually amazed as
>to how many
>people showed up. 3 Azvjc members, Asa4wdc (Sandee), Mesa 4wheeler member,
>Land cruser club member. After the meeting I spoke to a guy that was with
>the BLM, He informed me that they want to stand behind the OHV comm. and
>will do what they can to assist. It was decided by all that there was too
>much involved and too little of the Higher up Govt. people there to even
>come up with any answers. So there will be another meeting soon.
>If you have
>any questions please feel free to e-mail me. Hal Loy and Stu Olsen
>were both
>at the meeting also so they may have more to add.
>I appolagize if it seems scrambled but I have been up for almost 36hrs
>now......
>Dave (AZXJ)
>I tried!!
>
>
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6283 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 8:08am
Subject: Re: Rock Crawling Championships
Here is what I know:
> Sandee McCullen wrote:
>
> > Directions or site location are not being released until
> Thursday night at
> > the meeting at the Best Western Hotel. Other then it's being held in the
> > Florence Junction area. Maps and information will be
> available Thursday
> > night and Friday morning at the hotel, or if you drive Mineral Mtn Road
> > south off Hwy 60 you'll find the event.
> >
> > The competitors will be leaving the hotel in Gold Canyon (Hwy 60 & Kings
> > Ranch Rd, M.P. 202) at 9:00 a.m.
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
6284 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 8:35am
Subject: call in day
I don't know if anyone saw this, but the number given out earlier for chief Dombeck was the fax number.
Use this number to call: (202) 205-1661
It has been busy, so hopefully that is a good sign.
---------------------------
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480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
----------------------------
6285 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 9:55am
Subject: USDA
I found this on the Forest Service site. Also a great map of the Rolls/Coves area with FR numbers. Go to http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/tonto/home.htm and click Off Highway Vehicles.
The Arizona OHV Program was created in 1991 by the Arizona Legislature. The intent of the program is to guide outdoor recreationalists and public land managers in making responsible choices to enhance off-highway vehicle recreation opportunities throughout Arizona. OHV recreation on our state's public lands has increased significantly during the past 30 years. The Legislature set the funding mechanism at 0.55 percent of the annual state motor fuel tax revenues (paid at the gas pump) which translates into an average of $1,600,000 annually for the program. It is estimated that Arizona residents participate in 5.1 million user days of OHV related recreation annually.
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
----------------------------
6286 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 10:26am
Subject: No to the Roadless Initiative!
Dear Mr. Dombeck,
I am writing you again to express my concern over your organization's
support of the Roadless Initiative. I have been told that you believe that
the majority of the people of this country also support this initiative. I
am writing to tell you that this is NOT true. I do not want to see millions
of acres of OUR land closed to multiple use access.
I realize that I am but a single voice and this a single letter, but I
assure you that I am not alone as I write this. The OHV community supports
practices such as "Tread Lightly", "Pack it in, Pack it out", and
"Adopt-A-Trail". In addition to this, our clubs actively coach our members,
new and old, to be responsible OHV users. Education is the KEY ingredient
to keeping our lands open and available for us, for our children, and for
those generations yet to come.
I recently visited several web sites that support the more "extreme"
anti-land use organizations. I won't include names, as this is not the
intent of this letter. I was very disturbed at the lack of educational
material (i.e.., could not find it) that they supply to help resolve the
problems we all encounter in public lands. It seems their "Band-Aid" for
the problem is to lock up the public lands. We all know that denying access
to the public lands will be about as effective as sticking our heads in the
sand. The problems will continue unless we educate the users.
I belong to an active 4x4 club and am proud to say that some 20+ vehicles
participated in a voluntary clean-up of a local OHV area just this past
weekend. We were not asked by your forest rangers, of the Mesa Ranger
District, to do this. We approached them and I am happy to report that they
were receptive to our offer to help keep the forest lands clean.
I searched the web, trying to find similar voluntary clean-up projects that
were initiated by these same anti-land use organizations. I am sorry to
report that I could not find any. It is a shame that they can only talk the
talk, and NOT walk the walk when it comes to land conservation. The people
they are trying to lock out of the public lands are the ones in fact that
are actually helping to keep them clean. If only they could figure out this
simple equation.
In closing, I again urge you to abandon this Roadless Initiative plan and
adopt one that actively educates and solicits the help from those of us who
do wish to keep our public lands available for all to use. This country
does not want to be locked out of the forests, pure and simple.
Thank you for time. Please feel free to contact me at the enclosed address
if you wish to discuss other avenues that will better serve all the people
of our great country.
Sincerely,
Stu Olson
6625 W. Coolidge St.
Phoenix, AZ 85033
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
6287 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 10:39am
Subject: Re: SYE from local co..
Hal
I just ordered their sye kit (RE) with the cv joint driveshaft.....the only
way they sellit now....
To my understanding you are right you cut off about an inch of the
outputshaft to relieve the stress (leverage put on the shaft) and then you
drill and tap the center of the shaft install a special seal and then the
bolt on tail shaft piece. Thier drive shaft is based upon the length of your
stock one give them the measurement and the amount of lift and they custom
build each one.
I will let everyone know how it goes when I get the parts...hopefully I will
get then on fed x today and have them installed before I come down for the
event on the 10th.
Brian Harmon
88 xj
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:41:48 -0700, Hal Loy wrote:
>
> I had the same thought about the shaft maintaining its original length.
I've
> heard Rubicon Express makes the same type of kit but in theirs you cut
the
> yolk to shorten it then tap in a retaining bolt. I haven't checked with
R.E.
> on it yet though.
>
> Hal Loy (Wizard)
> 93YJ - Tucson
>
>
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6288 From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 9:43am
Subject: Re: SYE from local co. Bad experience
I just had front and rear drive shafts made from Gloeco and they are
fine.When was the last time you went rock crawling at 70 mph ? Gloeco's rock
crawlers are 16 spline and Dicks Driveshafts is a 10 spline agriculture slip
joint . Your asking for the best of both worlds and your not going to get a
good rockcrawler to drive down the highway at 70, it just doesn't work that
way..
Both Shops ( Gloeco, Dick's) are good shops to go to.
----- Original Message -----
From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
To: 'Dockmond Tse' <chiena@e...>; VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:14 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: SYE from local co. Bad experience
> Good enough for me to stay away from....
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dockmond Tse [mailto:chiena@e...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:11 AM
> To: VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] SYE from local co. Bad experience
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
> To: XJ- List <xj-list@m...>
> Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:06 AM
> Subject: SYE from local co. Bad experience
>
>
> >I didn't get the SYE but I did try the Rock crawler Drive shaft they
sell.
> >Sucked Big time. They tried to ballance the first one three times and
just
> >couldn't get it right. Sat there all day. Bad vibes at about 60-70. The
> >shaft weighed about 50lbs. I finally told them to forget it and just
build
> >me a regular replacement. Went home in front wheel drive, left the shaft
at
> >the shop. Next day new shaft, Now I had vibes starting at 45 and up and
got
> >worse at 55+. I told them it had to be their machine, they said no way.
> >Tried to balance one more time still no good. I said forget it and took
the
> >shaft to Dicks Drive Shaft in phoenix to get it checked out. They said
and
> >showed me two flat spot and told me after rebalancing it that it was
bent.
> >After Dick's was done with what they could do with it, it is now much
> >smoother not perfect but I can live with it. Went back for the difference
> in
> >price about $100.00 I think, they said They don't have the first shaft
and
> >won't refund the difference until they find it, now I know i'm getting
> >screwed. This my experience with Gloeco other's may have had better or
> >worse. Do you want to take the chance......
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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6289 From: <MGTEPLITZ@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:12am
Subject: Re: No to the Roadless Initiative!
Stu,
I am one of the "silent" members of this mail list and enjoy learning as I
read the email "banter".
I thought your letter was excellent and made its point--well-written, well
thought out and professional.
Thanks for representing us so well.
Marilyn Teplitz
'94 Cherokee
mgteplitz@a...
In a message dated 3/7/00 11:48:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
solson8@u... writes:
<< Subj: [az_vjc] No to the Roadless Initiative!
Date: 3/7/00 11:48:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: solson8@u... (Stu Olson)
To: Mike.Dombeck/wo@f...
CC: az_vjc@egroups.com (az_vjc), McCullen@w...
Dear Mr. Dombeck,
I am writing you again to express my concern over your organization's
support of the Roadless Initiative. I have been told that you believe that
the majority of the people of this country also support this initiative. I
am writing to tell you that this is NOT true. I do not want to see millions
of acres of OUR land closed to multiple use access.
I realize that I am but a single voice and this a single letter, but I
assure you that I am not alone as I write this. The OHV community supports
practices such as "Tread Lightly", "Pack it in, Pack it out", and
"Adopt-A-Trail". In addition to this, our clubs actively coach our members,
new and old, to be responsible OHV users. Education is the KEY ingredient
to keeping our lands open and available for us, for our children, and for
those generations yet to come.
I recently visited several web sites that support the more "extreme"
anti-land use organizations. I won't include names, as this is not the
intent of this letter. I was very disturbed at the lack of educational
material (i.e.., could not find it) that they supply to help resolve the
problems we all encounter in public lands. It seems their "Band-Aid" for
the problem is to lock up the public lands. We all know that denying access
to the public lands will be about as effective as sticking our heads in the
sand. The problems will continue unless we educate the users.
I belong to an active 4x4 club and am proud to say that some 20+ vehicles
participated in a voluntary clean-up of a local OHV area just this past
weekend. We were not asked by your forest rangers, of the Mesa Ranger
District, to do this. We approached them and I am happy to report that they
were receptive to our offer to help keep the forest lands clean.
I searched the web, trying to find similar voluntary clean-up projects that
were initiated by these same anti-land use organizations. I am sorry to
report that I could not find any. It is a shame that they can only talk the
talk, and NOT walk the walk when it comes to land conservation. The people
they are trying to lock out of the public lands are the ones in fact that
are actually helping to keep them clean. If only they could figure out this
simple equation.
In closing, I again urge you to abandon this Roadless Initiative plan and
adopt one that actively educates and solicits the help from those of us who
do wish to keep our public lands available for all to use. This country
does not want to be locked out of the forests, pure and simple.
Thank you for time. Please feel free to contact me at the enclosed address
if you wish to discuss other avenues that will better serve all the people
of our great country.
Sincerely,
Stu Olson
6625 W. Coolidge St.
Phoenix, AZ 85033
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>>
6290 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 11:25am
Subject: Re: No to the Roadless Initiative!
Marilyn,
You are most welcome. I am flattered that I can represent the group, but
what we need is all 200 members of the AZ_VJC sending in THEIR comments too.
There is power in numbers, no doubt about that!
I encourage you to cut and paste anything you wish out of mine (and I'll go
so far as to say that DougB probably wouldn't mind too much if you borrowed
some good verbiage from his as well...OK, Doug?). Your views do not have to
be that original. Since you agree with what I say, say it again.
Washington needs to hear YOU say it!
The important thing is to get yet another letter to Mr. Dombeck so he knows
that yet one more person does NOT like the Clinton administration's Roadless
plan. If WE don't tell him it stinks, the greenies will tell him it is
great!
Please, please, please send him an e-mail and become one of the vocal ones,
even if it is just this one time. Marilyn, you already took the step to
send me a note, and I thank you very much for that. Now send Mr. Dombeck
one and tell him how you feel too!
Thanks a million for helping out OUR cause!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MGTEPLITZ@a... [mailto:MGTEPLITZ@a...]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:12
>To: solson8@u...
>Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] No to the Roadless Initiative!
>
>
>Stu,
>I am one of the "silent" members of this mail list and enjoy learning as I
>read the email "banter".
>
>I thought your letter was excellent and made its point--well-written, well
>thought out and professional.
>
>Thanks for representing us so well.
>
>Marilyn Teplitz
>'94 Cherokee
>mgteplitz@a...
>
>In a message dated 3/7/00 11:48:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
>solson8@u... writes:
>
><< Subj: [az_vjc] No to the Roadless Initiative!
> Date: 3/7/00 11:48:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time
> From: solson8@u... (Stu Olson)
> To: Mike.Dombeck/wo@f...
> CC: az_vjc@egroups.com (az_vjc), McCullen@w...
>
> Dear Mr. Dombeck,
>
> I am writing you again to express my concern over your organization's
> support of the Roadless Initiative. I have been told that you
>believe that
> the majority of the people of this country also support this
>initiative. I
> am writing to tell you that this is NOT true. I do not want to
>see millions
> of acres of OUR land closed to multiple use access.
>
> I realize that I am but a single voice and this a single letter, but I
> assure you that I am not alone as I write this. The OHV
>community supports
> practices such as "Tread Lightly", "Pack it in, Pack it out", and
> "Adopt-A-Trail". In addition to this, our clubs actively coach
>our members,
> new and old, to be responsible OHV users. Education is the KEY ingredient
> to keeping our lands open and available for us, for our children, and for
> those generations yet to come.
>
> I recently visited several web sites that support the more "extreme"
> anti-land use organizations. I won't include names, as this is not the
> intent of this letter. I was very disturbed at the lack of educational
> material (i.e.., could not find it) that they supply to help resolve the
> problems we all encounter in public lands. It seems their "Band-Aid" for
> the problem is to lock up the public lands. We all know that
>denying access
> to the public lands will be about as effective as sticking our
>heads in the
> sand. The problems will continue unless we educate the users.
>
> I belong to an active 4x4 club and am proud to say that some 20+ vehicles
> participated in a voluntary clean-up of a local OHV area just this past
> weekend. We were not asked by your forest rangers, of the Mesa Ranger
> District, to do this. We approached them and I am happy to
>report that they
> were receptive to our offer to help keep the forest lands clean.
>
> I searched the web, trying to find similar voluntary clean-up
>projects that
> were initiated by these same anti-land use organizations. I am sorry to
> report that I could not find any. It is a shame that they can
>only talk the
> talk, and NOT walk the walk when it comes to land conservation.
>The people
> they are trying to lock out of the public lands are the ones in fact that
> are actually helping to keep them clean. If only they could
>figure out this
> simple equation.
>
> In closing, I again urge you to abandon this Roadless Initiative plan and
> adopt one that actively educates and solicits the help from those
>of us who
> do wish to keep our public lands available for all to use. This country
> does not want to be locked out of the forests, pure and simple.
>
> Thank you for time. Please feel free to contact me at the
>enclosed address
> if you wish to discuss other avenues that will better serve all the people
> of our great country.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Stu Olson
> 6625 W. Coolidge St.
> Phoenix, AZ 85033
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> >>
>
6291 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 11:41am
Subject: Gloeco
Just had Gloeco make me a couple of rockcrawlers up. Been out with them twice, so far no problems. They even did some custom work on my rear transfer case output yoke for my spicer 18, making it a 1410 series yoke. Oscar, the guy who owns it is a great guy, his shop does good work, and me and about 20 other people who've done business with him would recommend him. The Rockcrawler shaft is pretty indestructable as far as horsepower and torque goes. I'm sure you could tear one up though if you tried hard enough. The sheer size and design speak for themselves. Is it possible you bent the shaft by landing on it? I don't do 70 mph in my little Flatfender for safety reasons, but I haven't noticed any vibrations relating to drivelines at any speed under that yet. Given the design of the Rockcrawler, it seems to me if it were bent, the spline shaft wouldn't slide properly. Dick's is a good place to get shafts made, also. I've used him for about 20 years now. BTW, Bernie over at Dick's used to work for Gloeco.
I don't know anything about Gloeco's slip yoke eliminator, but their shafts seem to be top notch. Enough said.
Be Good. Later.
WILDCAT
1955 WILLYS CJ3B
Custom Everything
http://drive.to/yldkat55
6267 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 5:52am
Subject: Re: Local Sye
OPTIONAL HIGH ANGLE CV - For only $50 extra, we will provide a high angle CV
which is used with driveshaft angles equal or greater than 15 degrees (in
many case less than that) at the transfer case. In almost all cases, when
using this high angle CV (up to 40 degrees max.), the transfer case does not
have to be lowered.
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6268 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:01am
Subject: Fw: Coves Cleanup Article
Great article. Check it out at www.alloffroad.com (the link posted in the
first message had an errant '>' in it).
Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
> To: <az_vjc@m...>
> Cc: <bmoorman@w...>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 6:28 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Coves Cleanup Article
>
>
> > I wrote an article on the Coves Cleanup and submitted it to Jesus Chio
of
> > alloffroad.com, an Internet only "e-zine" about off-roading and 4x4s. He
> > put it up immediately - AZ_VJC logo and all. Your picture may be there.
Go
> > see it at: <http://www.alloffroad.com/>.
> >
> > Pass the word.
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6269 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:03am
Subject: Fw: Fw: [JEEP-L] FWD: From Clark Collins, Blue Ribbon Coalition
Today's the day for the Call In to help stop road closures. See below for
details.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
To: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 5:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: [JEEP-L] FWD: From Clark Collins, Blue Ribbon
Coalition
> Sorry if this was already posted to the group...but just in case it
wasn't,
> I thought I'd pass it along.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Smith, Steven <smiths@d...>
> To: <jeep-l@m...>
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 8:35 AM
> Subject: [JEEP-L] FWD: From Clark Collins, Blue Ribbon Coalition
>
>
> > Hey Guys -
> >
> > Mark your calendars - only takes a couple of minutes..
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > > ACTION ALERT
> > >
> > > To: All Multiple-Use Recreationists:
> > >
> > > MULTIPLE USE RECREATIONISTS TO CALL-IN ON MARCH 7
> > >
> > > On March 9, the anti-everyone-but-me crowd is planning a national
> > > call-in
> > > day to the US Forest Service urging them to (functionally) BAN all OHV
> > > recreation on lands managed by the Forest Service. We have to upstage
> > > them
> > > in a massive way by preempting their strike with one of our own!
> > >
> > > On March 7, the Blue Ribbon Coalition, along with a number of
> > > multiple-use
> > > recreation and resource groups, is planning a national PRO-OHV call-in
> > > day.
> > > The reason for having our call-in on March 7 is because if we don't
> > > separate our call-in by at least one day...our legislators and federal
> > > agencies might CONFUSE our call-in with that of our opponents.
> > >
> > > This is a maximum effort campaign by our side and all of us need to
make
> > >
> > > sure that we burn up the email, phone, and FAX lines into the Forest
> > > Service. Please reroute this ALERT to your own communication networks
> > > so
> > > that our voices will be heard by Chief Dombeck.
> > >
> > > Please email, phone, and FAX your positive comments about how
important
> > > responsible OHV recreation is to millions of Americans. Be sure and
> > > tell
> > > the Chief about how OHV recreation relates to your family or business.
> > >
> > > Here are some things you might include in your comments.
> > >
> > > 1) OHV users are protecting the environment by promoting user ethics
as
> > > outlined by groups and organizations such as; Tread Lightly!, the Blue
> > > Ribbon Coalition, United Four Wheel Drive Associations, American
Council
> > > of
> > > Snowmobile Associations, National Off Highway Vehicle Conservation
> > > Council,
> > > and the American Motorcyclist Association (list other groups in this
> > > list
> > > as well)
> > >
> > > 2) OHV users contribute thousands of man/woman hours each year on
> > > volunteer
> > > programs that protect and preserve our natural resources.
> > >
> > > 3) OHV users support managed recreational opportunities on Forest
> > > Service
> > > lands.
> > >
> > > 4) While most OHV users support the original intent of the 1964
> > > Wilderness
> > > Act to protect lands untrammeled by modern man, the lands currently
> > > available for multiple-use must be managed and remain open for the
> > > general
> > > public to use and enjoy for a wide variety of opportunities.
> > >
> > > 5) OHV users do not support the Presidents roadless directive that
could
> > >
> > > CLOSE millions of acres of prime multiple-use recreation areas that
have
> > >
> > > established and legal recreational roads, trails, and dispersed
> > > campgrounds.
> > >
> > > 6) Tell the Chief that you want him to ask for funds to adequately
> > > support
> > > the Forest Services recreation and trail programs. For many years the
> > > Forest Service has said they support recreation but they have NOT
asked
> > > for
> > > the appropriated monies to do so.
> > >
> > > Please call, email, and FAX to the numbers below on March 7th (if you
> > > can't
> > > get through on the 7th continue on the 8th):
> > >
> > > Chief Mike Dombeck
> > > Email: Mike.Dombeck/wo@f...
> > > FAX: (202)205-1765
> > > Phone: (202)205-1661
> > >
> > > Again, thanks for your time and effort to promote and protect
> > > responsible
> > > OHV recreation on our public lands. Don't let the Sierra Club, The
> > > Wilderness Society, the Wildlands Center for Preventing Roads, and
other
> > >
> > > extreme preservationist groups cast aspersions on all the hard work
that
> > >
> > > you have done to make OHV recreation the family-oriented sport it is
> > > today.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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6270 From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:10am
Subject: SYE from local co. Bad experience
-----Original Message-----
From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
To: XJ- List <xj-list@m...>
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:06 AM
Subject: SYE from local co. Bad experience
>I didn't get the SYE but I did try the Rock crawler Drive shaft they sell.
>Sucked Big time. They tried to ballance the first one three times and just
>couldn't get it right. Sat there all day. Bad vibes at about 60-70. The
>shaft weighed about 50lbs. I finally told them to forget it and just build
>me a regular replacement. Went home in front wheel drive, left the shaft at
>the shop. Next day new shaft, Now I had vibes starting at 45 and up and got
>worse at 55+. I told them it had to be their machine, they said no way.
>Tried to balance one more time still no good. I said forget it and took the
>shaft to Dicks Drive Shaft in phoenix to get it checked out. They said and
>showed me two flat spot and told me after rebalancing it that it was bent.
>After Dick's was done with what they could do with it, it is now much
>smoother not perfect but I can live with it. Went back for the difference
in
>price about $100.00 I think, they said They don't have the first shaft and
>won't refund the difference until they find it, now I know i'm getting
>screwed. This my experience with Gloeco other's may have had better or
>worse. Do you want to take the chance......
>
>
6271 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:09am
Subject: And the Sonw keep fallin!
Hey All,
I wnet on a shake down in the cherokee on broken arrow on sunday afternoon
just to see what the changes made did for me...it was raining and muddy. not
a lick of traction....really fun. It started to snow and is still snowing I
dont think it has stopped yet! I have 18" of snow on the baja bug in the
back yard!.
I was just wondering whats it like down south in the warm climate and if it
keeps up how will it affect this weekend? Im kinda looking forward to
camping thursday, friday, and saturday.
Oh well gotta go shovel the white stuff.
Brian Harmon
88 XJ
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6272 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:16am
Subject: No to the Roadless Initiative - Please keep public access to public lands!
I respectfully urge you not to pursue the Roadless Initiative - and please
keep public lands open to the public! I realize your under pressure for some
of the more extreme elements to close off access to public lands, but the
overwhelming sentiment of the public is to maintain recreational access to
public lands.
I belong to the largest 4x4 club in the state of Arizona, and we actively
and successfully promote the Tread Lightly program, and are also active in
trail clean up efforts. In fact, we just finished a very large and
successful clean up of the Coves at Saguaro Lake. We had excellent
cooperation form the Mesa Ranger's district, and will shortly be organizing
similar events - including "Adopt a Trail".
4 wheeling is an excellent family oriented endeavor - and the current
proposal will ultimately result in the denial of access to public lands for
ourselves and future generations. Please keep public lands open.
Doug
azjeep@h...
snail mail:
1891 W. Honeysuckle Lane
Chandler, Arizona 85248
6273 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:14am
Subject: Re: SYE from local co. Bad experience
Good enough for me to stay away from....
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Dockmond Tse [mailto:chiena@e...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:11 AM
To: VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] SYE from local co. Bad experience
-----Original Message-----
From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
To: XJ- List <xj-list@m...>
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:06 AM
Subject: SYE from local co. Bad experience
>I didn't get the SYE but I did try the Rock crawler Drive shaft they sell.
>Sucked Big time. They tried to ballance the first one three times and just
>couldn't get it right. Sat there all day. Bad vibes at about 60-70. The
>shaft weighed about 50lbs. I finally told them to forget it and just build
>me a regular replacement. Went home in front wheel drive, left the shaft at
>the shop. Next day new shaft, Now I had vibes starting at 45 and up and got
>worse at 55+. I told them it had to be their machine, they said no way.
>Tried to balance one more time still no good. I said forget it and took the
>shaft to Dicks Drive Shaft in phoenix to get it checked out. They said and
>showed me two flat spot and told me after rebalancing it that it was bent.
>After Dick's was done with what they could do with it, it is now much
>smoother not perfect but I can live with it. Went back for the difference
in
>price about $100.00 I think, they said They don't have the first shaft and
>won't refund the difference until they find it, now I know i'm getting
>screwed. This my experience with Gloeco other's may have had better or
>worse. Do you want to take the chance......
>
>
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6274 From: Rick Buddrus <buddrus@f...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:15am
Subject: Good news from Alaska
I know it is hard for us to get excited about something that is going
on 4000 miles to the north and involves snowmobiles,but I just received
this e-mail and thought it was important to post,if for no other reason
but to demonstrate that we can make a difference if we are persistant
in our efforts. If you don't think the "call in" today is important,
think again and then make the call. To all the people in this group
that are out there fighting the land use battles, this one is for you.
RB
Originally transmitted by Rachael Thomas
We are making a difference. We must keep up the fight.
__________________________________________________ ___
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 7:09 PM
Subject: Fw: DENALI JUDGE'S RULING FINDS NPS PLAN VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:00 AM
> Subject: DENALI JUDGE'S RULING FINDS NPS PLAN VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW
>
>
> IRBA members and supporters.
>
> Good news from Alaska ........ no.. ...... GREAT news from Alaska!
>
> The following is an article taken from the March issue of BlueRibbon
> Magazine. (It is also attached - highlighted - in Word 6.0 for your
> convenience)
> By the way it is a great magazine and it is linked to the IRBA web
site if
> you'd like to subscribe.
>
> While this case certainly will certainly influence, through
precedent, the
> IRBA case against the NPS - the IRBA case is clearly much stronger
due to
> the strength of the legislative committee reports showing the
unambiguous
> intent of congress to provide for recreational activities.
Additionally
the NPS actions are far more egregious.
>
> fgb
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
-
> -----
>
>
> DENALI JUDGE'S RULING FINDS NPS PLAN VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW
>
> LAW GIVES SNOWMOBILERS ACCESS TO DENALI
>
> by Fred Pratt
> Freelance Journalist from Alaska
>
> (emphasis added)
>
> The National Park Service (NPS), fresh from a defeat in court where a
> JUDGE DETERMINED THE AGENCY (NPS) HAD ILLEGALLY BANNED SNOWMACHINES IN
> DENALI NATIONAL PARK FOR 18 YEARS, is tying to renew their ban with a
> twisted reading of the law.
>
> The NPS finished the public hearing process in early December for the
> fast-track new regulation that it hopes will meet the law's standards
for
> banning snowmachines from the core area of the park, the original
> boundaries that existed before its expansion in the Alaska National
> Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA) of 1980.
>
> While some public sentiment expressed at the Fairbanks hearing was in
> favor of the ban, the snowmachiners still have the law on their side.
> ANILCA gives them the right to ride in Denali unless the park service
can
> show a ban is "necessary to protect" the "natural and other values
of
the park."
>
> THE NPS IS TYING TO JUSTIFY ITS SNOWMACHINE BAN BY A SELECTIVE
READING OF
> ANILCA. It interprets the law as allowing snowmachines only for
> "traditional activities" and its regulatory findings in support of
the
new law claim that these traditional activities have to have been
lawfully
> established in the past in this area of the park, and that traditional
> activities are strictly limited to only subsistence and sport hunting,
> fishing, berry picking, and perhaps, trapping.
>
>
> The NPS staffer at Fairbanks's hearing said that ANILCA prescribes
these
> limited interpretations of traditional activities. This is the kind
of
> skillful lie for which his agency is so well known. ANILCA does not
define
> "traditional activities" in any way, and nothing in the act mentions
these
> specific things in the NPS lists.
>
> The language on hunting, fishing, and berry picking does not come from
> ANILCA itself, but from the accompanying congressional committee
reports
> that gave some of the groundwork and understanding of the law. These
> reports do not have the force of law or the authority to limit the
meaning of the law itself, as the NPS contends.
>
> The specific law in question ANILCA 1110, is quite different from the
one
> NPS puts forward. First off, it applies "notwithstanding any other
> provision of " a" or other law. That means the snowmachine use in
Denali
> was legalized at the time ANILCA was passed in December 1980. Second,
> section 1110 states the Secretary of Interior "shall permit" the use
of
> snowmachines. Again, strong language on the side of the land users.
>
> THE LAW ALLOWS USE OF SNOWMACHINES, MOTORBOATS, AIRPLANES, AND
> NON-MOTORIZED SURFACE TRANSPORTATION OR TRADITIONAL ACTIVITIES AND FOR
> TRAVEL TO AND FROM VILLAGE HOMESITES.
>
> There is no mention of what traditional activity is, and there is no
> limitation that it has to be established by widespread use before or
after
> any certain time, or over any certain piece of ground. SIGHTSEEING AND
> OUTDOOR RECREATION ON SNOWMACHINES IS CLEARLY A TRADITIONAL ACTIVITY
IN
> ALASKA. ANILCA OPENS DENALI NATIONAL PARK TO THAT USE.
>
> As one who was there and intimately involved at the time ANILCA was
> written, I can also say a little about the committee report that NPS
tried
> to promote to the status of a law.
>
> The concern at the time ANILCA was written was that putting so much of
> Alaska under federal conservation systems would be disruptive if the
usual rules that applied to national parks in the lower 48 states
applied across rural Alaska.
>
> That's why we have the subsistence hunting provision in ANILCA, the
> guaranteed access to inholdings and the "traditional use" of our
> snowmachines, motorboats and aircraft.
>
> At one time, it was proposed to have the specific use of "subsistence
> snowmachining" defined in ANILCA.. That was dropped because it would
not
> allow all the rest of a rural Alaskan's use of snowmachines, and so
the
> broader language of Section 1110 was adopted. The comments in the
committee report merely specify that Congress clearly means to include
subsistence activities under the scope of "traditional activities,"
not to limit it to just those activities.
>
> Fred Pratt, a freelance journalist living in Fairbanks, is a reporter
and
> long-time observer of Alaska politics.
>
>
6275 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:22am
Subject: Re: expensive weekend
Len,
You might want to drop a note to the Surgeon General's office and request
they put a warning label on the TJs. It might read:
"The Surgeon General has determined that brief exposure to a TJ may be
hazardous to your budget." LOL!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Len Sullivan [mailto:kermit@c...]
>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 06:14
>To: AZVJC
>Subject: [az_vjc] expensive weekend
>
>
>Howdy y'all
>
>I would be up for helping out Al...........perhaps if he did an
>inventory of
>what is salvagable off of the Ox and posted a "wish list" of parts needed
>for his new rig (whatever it may be) we could all contribute some parts out
>of the "pile in the garage" that we all have.
>
>On another note, it turned out to be an expensive weekend for me
>too.......in a happy way though. First, I found out that my limited slip
>rear is now a full slip. I also got to go for my first ride in not one but
>two vehicles with lockers at both ends, so I'm shopping for lockers.
>Anybody have anything lying around for a front D44 or a rear D60? ( I can
>hope, can't I?)
>
>I also got myself into a hole that required a rock stack to get me out of,
>so a few inches of lift and some bigger tires are on the shopping list too.
>I announced to the 2nd Cove group that the tax return was going
>towards lift
>and tires, then found out when I got to the campsite that my wife-to-be was
>listening to the group chatter on the CB! OOPS!!
>
>Those aren't the most expensive things though.......Pam already had the
>offroad bug from going out with me in the J10, but when Stu took her for a
>ride in his TJ she got hooked in a big way. As soon as she got out of the
>Jeep she said "The Dakota is for sale!"
>
>Sooooo.......in addition to a lift, lockers and tires for me,
>we're shopping
>for a "little Jeep" for Pam. In order to make sure she gets exactly what
>she wants, we would like to ask a favor of the group: Pam would like to
>ride along during a trail run in a TJ, a YJ and a CJ to see which
>"fits" and
>"feels" best. Perhaps Bill A could even let her tag along in the M38
>sometime. You've all seen my rig, so you know that I have no fear of "some
>work required" (hee hee) and neither does she. In fact, Jeep fever has bit
>hard enough to make her postpone the project she's wanted to build for
>years: a '55 Chevy street rod with a 454 and a 4 speed. We'll have one
>eventually, but first we're going to build TWO Jeeps.
>
>
>
>Thanks to everyone for all their help in the Coves. We had a blast camping
>with Stu and Sinan.........hopefully we can do it again soon - without the
>rain.
>
>
>take care
>
>Len and Pam
>
>
>
>
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6276 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:26am
Subject: Re: Bar-BQ Oxen
I think that would be a nice idea as well as educational for those of
us still learning mechanics. If I remember right Al is in Tucson and as
I am too, I'll be willing to help on my days off, (usually Mon. & Tue).
Just let me know when and where.
Hal Loy (Wizard)
93YJ - Tucson
"o'boyle, david" <david.oboyl-@b...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6255
> I think we need to all band together and help rebuild ol blue ox....
Any
> comments???
> You know like a club project but to help out a friend (Al Dickson).
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Radcoon [mailto:My1stJeep@e...]
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:14 AM
> To: Jeep AzVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Bar-BQ Oxen
>
>
> Sorry to hear about your loss. Thank god you came out all right.
Let us
> know if there is anything we can do to help, like search for a new
one?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 08:27:48 -0700, DougB wrote:
>
> >
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6277 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:28am
Subject: Re: expensive weekend
My YJ has a seat that is usually empty, I don't run in the Phoenix area as
much as I would like but am always willing to give a ride to a fellow
"Jeeper".
Hal Loy (Wizard)
93YJ - Tucson
6278 From: Chatfield, Mike <mike.chatfield@r...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:36am
Subject: Rock Crawling Championships
Hello all,
I just signed up on the webpage and wanted to know more about the
Rock Crawling Championships. Specifically what I'd like to know is:
1. Where is it? Directions on how to get there, etc.
2. What is the event schedule? What is happening on a day to day
basis, what time do things kick off and end, etc.
3. Is there any cost as a spectator? I'd love to be a participant, but
I had a front U-Joint explode on me Saturday (Spare Tire Canyon)
Thanks in advance,
Mike Chatfield
(82 CJ5)
6279 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:40am
Subject: Re: Please read, Agua Frian Basin
You did good, Dave.
What Dave said is how it is. Maricopa County has a rule on the books that
can impact any land owner with "an open area or a lot larger than .10
acres". It was different to see the forest service, BLM, AZ. State Trust
Land, etc. all on the same side as the off-roaders.
To give you an idea of how screwed up things have become, the City of
Phoenix PD is writing tickets to people who are recreating on AZ State Trust
Land at the North end of Phoenix. These people have current state trust
land use permits. There is a 38 year old law on the books (City of Phoenix)
about making dust, etc. so the Phoenix PD is enforcing it. It is such a
#%^&! screw-up. You have a person who is given a permit to be on the land,
and a by-product of that person being there is some dust. The Phoenix PD
writes the guy a ticket for the dust. Even the EPA supervisor, who chaired
the meeting, said he could certainly understand how the off-road community
would get extremely frustrated by these kind of actions happening around the
valley.
Yes folks, things are getting pretty screwed up. It will no doubt take some
great effort to get these things ironed out. As members of a large off-road
community (mountain bikers, horses, motorcycles and ATVs, Jeepers, etc.) we
can and MUST get involved to get the laws and regs cleared up.
I'll try to keep the list members updated when I hear things, as I am sure
Dave will too. Another positive is that AZ Trust people seem to be taking
the initiative to organized the next meeting. They said they would
certainly work on getting it to happen after regular working hours so more
people can attend! Way to go Tammy!
Later........Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: O'Boyle, David [mailto:David.OBoyle@b...]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 06:19
>To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
>Subject: [az_vjc] Please read, Agua Frian Basin
>
>
>Ok, I am no recorder by any means so here goes..
>
>Basically the EPA has drafted a law that requires land owners be it BLM or
>Joe average to eleminate dust on land more than a 10th of an acre.
>The river
>bottom basin is an area of not only private but BLM land. The area of MAJOR
>concern is the area off of the Camelback bridge. Therre is a Co.
>named Cemex
>that owns the river bottom in that section of the basin. Blm owns the west
>section
>from the edge of the river bed to the fence line to the west. Cemex was
>issued a warning by the Epa to close this area off due to the dust. The
>particulates were severly bad in this area and the nearby
>neighborhoods were
>complaning regulary. Now it is my understanding that the Epa is trying to
>get Arizona parks and rec. to take over the issue of relocation or dust
>control of the area.
>There were A few key people at this meeting that had some very improtant
>issues.
>Blm, "you can't close these lands down to the OHV community or
>there will be
>more sevre problems elsewhere"
>Game and Fish, "you are going to effect the reaserch and projects that we
>are trying to conduct, also game control and species tracking". There were
>also numerous people reflecting the OHV community, there were Ballooist and
>even A guy who rides horses.
>They all had very important points that the Epa took into account and
>responded to. There also was a man who Volinteringly was representing the
>OHV community Grant fund (gas tax) who stated to the Epa that if
>these lands
>were closed and or restricted that not only would WE (ohv com.) but the
>Epa,Blm,G&F,Parks&rec. loose the grants for such purposes as the dust
>problem and the relocation or creation of an OHV park.
>
>This meeting kind of boiled down to the fact that there were 3 diffrent
>agencies in the govt. that were defeating eachothers purposes.
>National forest serv. had a meeting last week and discussed the new land
>grab issues and OHV use. they were trying to implement a plan and the Epa
>has stepped on the Forest services feet by closing such areas.
>Basically it's all about money $$. If Epa cannot get the air quality better
>they will loose 2.8billion dollars in funds.
>I am not sure where this 2.8billion dollars is going to go or not go I just
>know that this is thier purpose.
>
>Closing,
>If they want to close us out of certian areas they Damn well better provide
>us with something bigger and better. I used to use this area all
>the time to
>play on the rocks and mud pits.. But we cannot defeat the sprawl
>of the city
>and people will complain.
>The Blm and Game and Fish and National forest serv. are on our side. They
>want to help us help the situation. They were actually amazed as
>to how many
>people showed up. 3 Azvjc members, Asa4wdc (Sandee), Mesa 4wheeler member,
>Land cruser club member. After the meeting I spoke to a guy that was with
>the BLM, He informed me that they want to stand behind the OHV comm. and
>will do what they can to assist. It was decided by all that there was too
>much involved and too little of the Higher up Govt. people there to even
>come up with any answers. So there will be another meeting soon.
>If you have
>any questions please feel free to e-mail me. Hal Loy and Stu Olsen
>were both
>at the meeting also so they may have more to add.
>I appolagize if it seems scrambled but I have been up for almost 36hrs
>now......
>Dave (AZXJ)
>I tried!!
>
>
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6280 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:41am
Subject: Re: SYE from local co..
I had the same thought about the shaft maintaining its original length. I've
heard Rubicon Express makes the same type of kit but in theirs you cut the
yolk to shorten it then tap in a retaining bolt. I haven't checked with R.E.
on it yet though.
Hal Loy (Wizard)
93YJ - Tucson
6281 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:41am
Subject: free
I am a beta tester for DeLorme products. After the last product test was
completed they gave me a re-conditioned EarthMate GPS. I will only work
with a laptop or Palm computer. Althought I have a laptop it isn't
something I want to carry around in my Jeep.
If anyone has a real use for this, email me and explain and it is yours.
First come, etc.
Jon
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
----------------------------
6282 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 7:49am
Subject: Re: Please read, Agua Frian Basin
I don't mean to be flip, but it occurred to me that now is a good time to show these folks that dust isn't a problem. We have had 2 days of rain. We won't have dust for several weeks at this rate.
At 08:40 AM 3/7/2000 -0700, Stu Olson wrote:
You did good, Dave.
What Dave said is how it is. Maricopa County has a rule on the books that
can impact any land owner with "an open area or a lot larger than .10
acres". It was different to see the forest service, BLM, AZ. State Trust
Land, etc. all on the same side as the off-roaders.
To give you an idea of how screwed up things have become, the City of
Phoenix PD is writing tickets to people who are recreating on AZ State Trust
Land at the North end of Phoenix. These people have current state trust
land use permits. There is a 38 year old law on the books (City of Phoenix)
about making dust, etc. so the Phoenix PD is enforcing it. It is such a
#%^&! screw-up. You have a person who is given a permit to be on the land,
and a by-product of that person being there is some dust. The Phoenix PD
writes the guy a ticket for the dust. Even the EPA supervisor, who chaired
the meeting, said he could certainly understand how the off-road community
would get extremely frustrated by these kind of actions happening around the
valley.
Yes folks, things are getting pretty screwed up. It will no doubt take some
great effort to get these things ironed out. As members of a large off-road
community (mountain bikers, horses, motorcycles and ATVs, Jeepers, etc.) we
can and MUST get involved to get the laws and regs cleared up.
I'll try to keep the list members updated when I hear things, as I am sure
Dave will too. Another positive is that AZ Trust people seem to be taking
the initiative to organized the next meeting. They said they would
certainly work on getting it to happen after regular working hours so more
people can attend! Way to go Tammy!
Later........Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: O'Boyle, David [mailto:David.OBoyle@bannerhealth.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 06:19
>To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
>Subject: [az_vjc] Please read, Agua Frian Basin
>
>
>Ok, I am no recorder by any means so here goes..
>
>Basically the EPA has drafted a law that requires land owners be it BLM or
>Joe average to eleminate dust on land more than a 10th of an acre.
>The river
>bottom basin is an area of not only private but BLM land. The area of MAJOR
>concern is the area off of the Camelback bridge. Therre is a Co.
>named Cemex
>that owns the river bottom in that section of the basin. Blm owns the west
>section
>from the edge of the river bed to the fence line to the west. Cemex was
>issued a warning by the Epa to close this area off due to the dust. The
>particulates were severly bad in this area and the nearby
>neighborhoods were
>complaning regulary. Now it is my understanding that the Epa is trying to
>get Arizona parks and rec. to take over the issue of relocation or dust
>control of the area.
>There were A few key people at this meeting that had some very improtant
>issues.
>Blm, "you can't close these lands down to the OHV community or
>there will be
>more sevre problems elsewhere"
>Game and Fish, "you are going to effect the reaserch and projects that we
>are trying to conduct, also game control and species tracking". There were
>also numerous people reflecting the OHV community, there were Ballooist and
>even A guy who rides horses.
>They all had very important points that the Epa took into account and
>responded to. There also was a man who Volinteringly was representing the
>OHV community Grant fund (gas tax) who stated to the Epa that if
>these lands
>were closed and or restricted that not only would WE (ohv com.) but the
>Epa,Blm,G&F,Parks&rec. loose the grants for such purposes as the dust
>problem and the relocation or creation of an OHV park.
>
>This meeting kind of boiled down to the fact that there were 3 diffrent
>agencies in the govt. that were defeating eachothers purposes.
>National forest serv. had a meeting last week and discussed the new land
>grab issues and OHV use. they were trying to implement a plan and the Epa
>has stepped on the Forest services feet by closing such areas.
>Basically it's all about money $$. If Epa cannot get the air quality better
>they will loose 2.8billion dollars in funds.
>I am not sure where this 2.8billion dollars is going to go or not go I just
>know that this is thier purpose.
>
>Closing,
>If they want to close us out of certian areas they Damn well better provide
>us with something bigger and better. I used to use this area all
>the time to
>play on the rocks and mud pits.. But we cannot defeat the sprawl
>of the city
>and people will complain.
>The Blm and Game and Fish and National forest serv. are on our side. They
>want to help us help the situation. They were actually amazed as
>to how many
>people showed up. 3 Azvjc members, Asa4wdc (Sandee), Mesa 4wheeler member,
>Land cruser club member. After the meeting I spoke to a guy that was with
>the BLM, He informed me that they want to stand behind the OHV comm. and
>will do what they can to assist. It was decided by all that there was too
>much involved and too little of the Higher up Govt. people there to even
>come up with any answers. So there will be another meeting soon.
>If you have
>any questions please feel free to e-mail me. Hal Loy and Stu Olsen
>were both
>at the meeting also so they may have more to add.
>I appolagize if it seems scrambled but I have been up for almost 36hrs
>now......
>Dave (AZXJ)
>I tried!!
>
>
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6283 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 8:08am
Subject: Re: Rock Crawling Championships
Here is what I know:
> Sandee McCullen wrote:
>
> > Directions or site location are not being released until
> Thursday night at
> > the meeting at the Best Western Hotel. Other then it's being held in the
> > Florence Junction area. Maps and information will be
> available Thursday
> > night and Friday morning at the hotel, or if you drive Mineral Mtn Road
> > south off Hwy 60 you'll find the event.
> >
> > The competitors will be leaving the hotel in Gold Canyon (Hwy 60 & Kings
> > Ranch Rd, M.P. 202) at 9:00 a.m.
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
6284 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 8:35am
Subject: call in day
I don't know if anyone saw this, but the number given out earlier for chief Dombeck was the fax number.
Use this number to call: (202) 205-1661
It has been busy, so hopefully that is a good sign.
---------------------------
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480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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6285 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 9:55am
Subject: USDA
I found this on the Forest Service site. Also a great map of the Rolls/Coves area with FR numbers. Go to http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/tonto/home.htm and click Off Highway Vehicles.
The Arizona OHV Program was created in 1991 by the Arizona Legislature. The intent of the program is to guide outdoor recreationalists and public land managers in making responsible choices to enhance off-highway vehicle recreation opportunities throughout Arizona. OHV recreation on our state's public lands has increased significantly during the past 30 years. The Legislature set the funding mechanism at 0.55 percent of the annual state motor fuel tax revenues (paid at the gas pump) which translates into an average of $1,600,000 annually for the program. It is estimated that Arizona residents participate in 5.1 million user days of OHV related recreation annually.
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
----------------------------
6286 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 10:26am
Subject: No to the Roadless Initiative!
Dear Mr. Dombeck,
I am writing you again to express my concern over your organization's
support of the Roadless Initiative. I have been told that you believe that
the majority of the people of this country also support this initiative. I
am writing to tell you that this is NOT true. I do not want to see millions
of acres of OUR land closed to multiple use access.
I realize that I am but a single voice and this a single letter, but I
assure you that I am not alone as I write this. The OHV community supports
practices such as "Tread Lightly", "Pack it in, Pack it out", and
"Adopt-A-Trail". In addition to this, our clubs actively coach our members,
new and old, to be responsible OHV users. Education is the KEY ingredient
to keeping our lands open and available for us, for our children, and for
those generations yet to come.
I recently visited several web sites that support the more "extreme"
anti-land use organizations. I won't include names, as this is not the
intent of this letter. I was very disturbed at the lack of educational
material (i.e.., could not find it) that they supply to help resolve the
problems we all encounter in public lands. It seems their "Band-Aid" for
the problem is to lock up the public lands. We all know that denying access
to the public lands will be about as effective as sticking our heads in the
sand. The problems will continue unless we educate the users.
I belong to an active 4x4 club and am proud to say that some 20+ vehicles
participated in a voluntary clean-up of a local OHV area just this past
weekend. We were not asked by your forest rangers, of the Mesa Ranger
District, to do this. We approached them and I am happy to report that they
were receptive to our offer to help keep the forest lands clean.
I searched the web, trying to find similar voluntary clean-up projects that
were initiated by these same anti-land use organizations. I am sorry to
report that I could not find any. It is a shame that they can only talk the
talk, and NOT walk the walk when it comes to land conservation. The people
they are trying to lock out of the public lands are the ones in fact that
are actually helping to keep them clean. If only they could figure out this
simple equation.
In closing, I again urge you to abandon this Roadless Initiative plan and
adopt one that actively educates and solicits the help from those of us who
do wish to keep our public lands available for all to use. This country
does not want to be locked out of the forests, pure and simple.
Thank you for time. Please feel free to contact me at the enclosed address
if you wish to discuss other avenues that will better serve all the people
of our great country.
Sincerely,
Stu Olson
6625 W. Coolidge St.
Phoenix, AZ 85033
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
6287 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 10:39am
Subject: Re: SYE from local co..
Hal
I just ordered their sye kit (RE) with the cv joint driveshaft.....the only
way they sellit now....
To my understanding you are right you cut off about an inch of the
outputshaft to relieve the stress (leverage put on the shaft) and then you
drill and tap the center of the shaft install a special seal and then the
bolt on tail shaft piece. Thier drive shaft is based upon the length of your
stock one give them the measurement and the amount of lift and they custom
build each one.
I will let everyone know how it goes when I get the parts...hopefully I will
get then on fed x today and have them installed before I come down for the
event on the 10th.
Brian Harmon
88 xj
On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:41:48 -0700, Hal Loy wrote:
>
> I had the same thought about the shaft maintaining its original length.
I've
> heard Rubicon Express makes the same type of kit but in theirs you cut
the
> yolk to shorten it then tap in a retaining bolt. I haven't checked with
R.E.
> on it yet though.
>
> Hal Loy (Wizard)
> 93YJ - Tucson
>
>
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6288 From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 9:43am
Subject: Re: SYE from local co. Bad experience
I just had front and rear drive shafts made from Gloeco and they are
fine.When was the last time you went rock crawling at 70 mph ? Gloeco's rock
crawlers are 16 spline and Dicks Driveshafts is a 10 spline agriculture slip
joint . Your asking for the best of both worlds and your not going to get a
good rockcrawler to drive down the highway at 70, it just doesn't work that
way..
Both Shops ( Gloeco, Dick's) are good shops to go to.
----- Original Message -----
From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
To: 'Dockmond Tse' <chiena@e...>; VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:14 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: SYE from local co. Bad experience
> Good enough for me to stay away from....
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dockmond Tse [mailto:chiena@e...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:11 AM
> To: VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] SYE from local co. Bad experience
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
> To: XJ- List <xj-list@m...>
> Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 7:06 AM
> Subject: SYE from local co. Bad experience
>
>
> >I didn't get the SYE but I did try the Rock crawler Drive shaft they
sell.
> >Sucked Big time. They tried to ballance the first one three times and
just
> >couldn't get it right. Sat there all day. Bad vibes at about 60-70. The
> >shaft weighed about 50lbs. I finally told them to forget it and just
build
> >me a regular replacement. Went home in front wheel drive, left the shaft
at
> >the shop. Next day new shaft, Now I had vibes starting at 45 and up and
got
> >worse at 55+. I told them it had to be their machine, they said no way.
> >Tried to balance one more time still no good. I said forget it and took
the
> >shaft to Dicks Drive Shaft in phoenix to get it checked out. They said
and
> >showed me two flat spot and told me after rebalancing it that it was
bent.
> >After Dick's was done with what they could do with it, it is now much
> >smoother not perfect but I can live with it. Went back for the difference
> in
> >price about $100.00 I think, they said They don't have the first shaft
and
> >won't refund the difference until they find it, now I know i'm getting
> >screwed. This my experience with Gloeco other's may have had better or
> >worse. Do you want to take the chance......
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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6289 From: <MGTEPLITZ@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 6:12am
Subject: Re: No to the Roadless Initiative!
Stu,
I am one of the "silent" members of this mail list and enjoy learning as I
read the email "banter".
I thought your letter was excellent and made its point--well-written, well
thought out and professional.
Thanks for representing us so well.
Marilyn Teplitz
'94 Cherokee
mgteplitz@a...
In a message dated 3/7/00 11:48:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
solson8@u... writes:
<< Subj: [az_vjc] No to the Roadless Initiative!
Date: 3/7/00 11:48:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: solson8@u... (Stu Olson)
To: Mike.Dombeck/wo@f...
CC: az_vjc@egroups.com (az_vjc), McCullen@w...
Dear Mr. Dombeck,
I am writing you again to express my concern over your organization's
support of the Roadless Initiative. I have been told that you believe that
the majority of the people of this country also support this initiative. I
am writing to tell you that this is NOT true. I do not want to see millions
of acres of OUR land closed to multiple use access.
I realize that I am but a single voice and this a single letter, but I
assure you that I am not alone as I write this. The OHV community supports
practices such as "Tread Lightly", "Pack it in, Pack it out", and
"Adopt-A-Trail". In addition to this, our clubs actively coach our members,
new and old, to be responsible OHV users. Education is the KEY ingredient
to keeping our lands open and available for us, for our children, and for
those generations yet to come.
I recently visited several web sites that support the more "extreme"
anti-land use organizations. I won't include names, as this is not the
intent of this letter. I was very disturbed at the lack of educational
material (i.e.., could not find it) that they supply to help resolve the
problems we all encounter in public lands. It seems their "Band-Aid" for
the problem is to lock up the public lands. We all know that denying access
to the public lands will be about as effective as sticking our heads in the
sand. The problems will continue unless we educate the users.
I belong to an active 4x4 club and am proud to say that some 20+ vehicles
participated in a voluntary clean-up of a local OHV area just this past
weekend. We were not asked by your forest rangers, of the Mesa Ranger
District, to do this. We approached them and I am happy to report that they
were receptive to our offer to help keep the forest lands clean.
I searched the web, trying to find similar voluntary clean-up projects that
were initiated by these same anti-land use organizations. I am sorry to
report that I could not find any. It is a shame that they can only talk the
talk, and NOT walk the walk when it comes to land conservation. The people
they are trying to lock out of the public lands are the ones in fact that
are actually helping to keep them clean. If only they could figure out this
simple equation.
In closing, I again urge you to abandon this Roadless Initiative plan and
adopt one that actively educates and solicits the help from those of us who
do wish to keep our public lands available for all to use. This country
does not want to be locked out of the forests, pure and simple.
Thank you for time. Please feel free to contact me at the enclosed address
if you wish to discuss other avenues that will better serve all the people
of our great country.
Sincerely,
Stu Olson
6625 W. Coolidge St.
Phoenix, AZ 85033
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>>
6290 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 11:25am
Subject: Re: No to the Roadless Initiative!
Marilyn,
You are most welcome. I am flattered that I can represent the group, but
what we need is all 200 members of the AZ_VJC sending in THEIR comments too.
There is power in numbers, no doubt about that!
I encourage you to cut and paste anything you wish out of mine (and I'll go
so far as to say that DougB probably wouldn't mind too much if you borrowed
some good verbiage from his as well...OK, Doug?). Your views do not have to
be that original. Since you agree with what I say, say it again.
Washington needs to hear YOU say it!
The important thing is to get yet another letter to Mr. Dombeck so he knows
that yet one more person does NOT like the Clinton administration's Roadless
plan. If WE don't tell him it stinks, the greenies will tell him it is
great!
Please, please, please send him an e-mail and become one of the vocal ones,
even if it is just this one time. Marilyn, you already took the step to
send me a note, and I thank you very much for that. Now send Mr. Dombeck
one and tell him how you feel too!
Thanks a million for helping out OUR cause!
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MGTEPLITZ@a... [mailto:MGTEPLITZ@a...]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:12
>To: solson8@u...
>Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] No to the Roadless Initiative!
>
>
>Stu,
>I am one of the "silent" members of this mail list and enjoy learning as I
>read the email "banter".
>
>I thought your letter was excellent and made its point--well-written, well
>thought out and professional.
>
>Thanks for representing us so well.
>
>Marilyn Teplitz
>'94 Cherokee
>mgteplitz@a...
>
>In a message dated 3/7/00 11:48:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
>solson8@u... writes:
>
><< Subj: [az_vjc] No to the Roadless Initiative!
> Date: 3/7/00 11:48:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time
> From: solson8@u... (Stu Olson)
> To: Mike.Dombeck/wo@f...
> CC: az_vjc@egroups.com (az_vjc), McCullen@w...
>
> Dear Mr. Dombeck,
>
> I am writing you again to express my concern over your organization's
> support of the Roadless Initiative. I have been told that you
>believe that
> the majority of the people of this country also support this
>initiative. I
> am writing to tell you that this is NOT true. I do not want to
>see millions
> of acres of OUR land closed to multiple use access.
>
> I realize that I am but a single voice and this a single letter, but I
> assure you that I am not alone as I write this. The OHV
>community supports
> practices such as "Tread Lightly", "Pack it in, Pack it out", and
> "Adopt-A-Trail". In addition to this, our clubs actively coach
>our members,
> new and old, to be responsible OHV users. Education is the KEY ingredient
> to keeping our lands open and available for us, for our children, and for
> those generations yet to come.
>
> I recently visited several web sites that support the more "extreme"
> anti-land use organizations. I won't include names, as this is not the
> intent of this letter. I was very disturbed at the lack of educational
> material (i.e.., could not find it) that they supply to help resolve the
> problems we all encounter in public lands. It seems their "Band-Aid" for
> the problem is to lock up the public lands. We all know that
>denying access
> to the public lands will be about as effective as sticking our
>heads in the
> sand. The problems will continue unless we educate the users.
>
> I belong to an active 4x4 club and am proud to say that some 20+ vehicles
> participated in a voluntary clean-up of a local OHV area just this past
> weekend. We were not asked by your forest rangers, of the Mesa Ranger
> District, to do this. We approached them and I am happy to
>report that they
> were receptive to our offer to help keep the forest lands clean.
>
> I searched the web, trying to find similar voluntary clean-up
>projects that
> were initiated by these same anti-land use organizations. I am sorry to
> report that I could not find any. It is a shame that they can
>only talk the
> talk, and NOT walk the walk when it comes to land conservation.
>The people
> they are trying to lock out of the public lands are the ones in fact that
> are actually helping to keep them clean. If only they could
>figure out this
> simple equation.
>
> In closing, I again urge you to abandon this Roadless Initiative plan and
> adopt one that actively educates and solicits the help from those
>of us who
> do wish to keep our public lands available for all to use. This country
> does not want to be locked out of the forests, pure and simple.
>
> Thank you for time. Please feel free to contact me at the
>enclosed address
> if you wish to discuss other avenues that will better serve all the people
> of our great country.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Stu Olson
> 6625 W. Coolidge St.
> Phoenix, AZ 85033
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
> >>
>
6291 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 7, 2000 11:41am
Subject: Gloeco
Just had Gloeco make me a couple of rockcrawlers up. Been out with them twice, so far no problems. They even did some custom work on my rear transfer case output yoke for my spicer 18, making it a 1410 series yoke. Oscar, the guy who owns it is a great guy, his shop does good work, and me and about 20 other people who've done business with him would recommend him. The Rockcrawler shaft is pretty indestructable as far as horsepower and torque goes. I'm sure you could tear one up though if you tried hard enough. The sheer size and design speak for themselves. Is it possible you bent the shaft by landing on it? I don't do 70 mph in my little Flatfender for safety reasons, but I haven't noticed any vibrations relating to drivelines at any speed under that yet. Given the design of the Rockcrawler, it seems to me if it were bent, the spline shaft wouldn't slide properly. Dick's is a good place to get shafts made, also. I've used him for about 20 years now. BTW, Bernie over at Dick's used to work for Gloeco.
I don't know anything about Gloeco's slip yoke eliminator, but their shafts seem to be top notch. Enough said.
Be Good. Later.
WILDCAT
1955 WILLYS CJ3B
Custom Everything
http://drive.to/yldkat55