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6217 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 9:57pm
Subject: TJ front swaybar
I've been thinking about disconnecting it permanently.... anyone else
running this way?
thoughts & comments are appreciated.
Larry
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6218 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 9:58pm
Subject: Re: AlliedSignal Club Run to Moab
Hi Bernie,
I will definitely be up there but having decided which
day I will be up there yet. Anyhow, I am looking
forward to do run these trails since I have never been
there before.
Tom
'94 ZJ
--- dirtdog@u... wrote:
> If anyone is interested the AlliedSignal annual trek
> to Moab
> is going to be the first week in April. Most of the
> club
> will be camping at the Archview camp ground that is
> about 7
> miles north of Moab. They have full hook-ups for
> motor
> homes, grass areas for tents and also a few small
> cabins.
> Archview Camp ground phone is (800) 813-6622 call
> for
> reservations.
> Most members will be there by Wednesday(4/5) night
> so they
> can do trips Thur,Fri,Sat and maybe Sun if
> motivated. We
> usually split into two groups for the different
> level of
> trails the area has to offer. All you really need up
> there
> are the East and West area Moab maps, (easy to get)
> most the
> trails are well documented and marked.
> It take at least nine hours to get to Moab from
> Phoenix.
>
> See you up there if you are interested.
> Bernie Southerland
>
> I may go up a day ot two early to do some scouting
> or do
> some of the nastier trips that I wouldn't want to
> make the
> club run.
>
>
> Some Moab area trails (note a 4-4+ is nasty)
> http://www.4x4now.com/mu4wd.htm
>
>
>
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6219 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:17pm
Subject: Re: TJ front swaybar
Hi Larry,
Not only that I disconnected the front swaybar on my
'94 ZJ but only the rear too in order to maximize the
articulation and any potential of ripping out the side
wall of my tires. The only adverse affects to the
handling capability is during a high wind conditions
and at high speed where you feel your vehicle tends to
become a little bit of unstable but I don't having any
problems at all. I guess, you will got used to it
once you get familiar with your vehicle performance.
Therefore, if it is to me, I suggest to disconnect it
since it is not only saves time for not having to
disconnect it; allows more degrees of freedom on the
articulation; and save $$ on not having to buy the
quick disconnect.
Hope this help.
Tom
--- Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
> I've been thinking about disconnecting it
> permanently.... anyone else
> running this way?
>
> thoughts & comments are appreciated.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
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6220 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:44pm
Subject: Re: TJ front swaybar
Tom
Yeah, I remember now that you had removed the sways front & rear. I also
just remebered last weekend at Broken Arrow with us there was that red stock
TJ (Keith) that had removed his front & rear.
I'll remove it and see if I can get used to the new on-road manners.
Everyone, thanks for all the replies and have a great week.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
To: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>; Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ front swaybar
> Hi Larry,
> Not only that I disconnected the front swaybar on my
> '94 ZJ but only the rear too in order to maximize the
> articulation and any potential of ripping out the side
> wall of my tires. The only adverse affects to the
> handling capability is during a high wind conditions
> and at high speed where you feel your vehicle tends to
> become a little bit of unstable but I don't having any
> problems at all. I guess, you will got used to it
> once you get familiar with your vehicle performance.
> Therefore, if it is to me, I suggest to disconnect it
> since it is not only saves time for not having to
> disconnect it; allows more degrees of freedom on the
> articulation; and save $$ on not having to buy the
> quick disconnect.
> Hope this help.
> Tom
>
>
> --- Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
> > I've been thinking about disconnecting it
> > permanently.... anyone else
> > running this way?
> >
> > thoughts & comments are appreciated.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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6221 From: Allen Jakob <allenjakob@w...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:50pm
Subject: Re: TJ front swaybar
Call me crazy, but I beleive that ANY insurance company would love to blame ANY accident Your fault due to the fact that you disabled a basic safty component in the vehicle.
Just a thought. :)
Allen
97TJ
tom le wrote:
Hi Larry,
Not only that I disconnected the front swaybar on my
'94 ZJ but only the rear too in order to maximize the
articulation and any potential of ripping out the side
wall of my tires. The only adverse affects to the
handling capability is during a high wind conditions
and at high speed where you feel your vehicle tends to
become a little bit of unstable but I don't having any
problems at all. I guess, you will got used to it
once you get familiar with your vehicle performance.
Therefore, if it is to me, I suggest to disconnect it
since it is not only saves time for not having to
disconnect it; allows more degrees of freedom on the
articulation; and save $$ on not having to buy the
quick disconnect.
Hope this help.
Tom
--- Larry Maggio wrote:
> I've been thinking about disconnecting it
> permanently.... anyone else
> running this way?
>
> thoughts & comments are appreciated.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
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6222 From: Jesus Chio <jchio@a...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 11:14pm
Subject: Axles...
Thanks a lot for the input on the axle width, it DO was helpful
Jesus Chio,
Editor : www.alloffroad.com
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From: James A Langdon
To: jchio@alloffroad.com
Cc: az_vjc@makelist.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 4:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: No Subject
From off-road.com, they have the following axle info including the 79 CJ:
Hope it helps,
Jim Yucca-man@juno.com
Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://azvjc.web.com
89 Cherokee (Resurrected?) 73 CJ5 (RIP)
Model/Version Spring Pads Wheel to Wheel Years
Dana 30/CJ Narrow Track 28" 53" '72-'81
Dana 30/CJ Wide Track 28" 56" '82-'86
AMC 20/CJ Narrow Track 36" 50.5" '76-'81
AMC 20/CJ Wide Track 36" 54.5" '82-'86
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:57:38 -0600 "Jesus Chio" jchio@alloffroad.com
writes:
> Any of you has a 79 CJ7?? mine is too narrow and Im wondering if its
> my imagination or its real, if any of you can tell me what's the
> wide of your rear or front axle would be great, thanks a lot.!
>
>
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6223 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 2:24am
Subject: Re: shocks. and the tj
Eric
I have Pro Comps on my CJ and they are can up. I haven't noticed any difference
in ride and the dealer said they work fine either way. How old are yours? Have
either of the cans been damaged? I think you can get new ones under warranty.
Bob
AphroDsyak@aol.com wrote:
> I have a question. I saw the tera shock relocators. Does anyone know what
> they run?? and what about that maco part what is it?? Same thing?? Where can
> I get one? The big thing is I Reinstalled my shocks can up to prevent them
> from smacking the perch. The *** end of my tj bounces horribly now??? Do
> shocks not work upside down?? I am looking to go from the procomp 3000 to a
> ranch 9000 but do they all have to be can down??? I don't know much about
> shocks but I know some use oil. Would that cause them not to work well or at
> all?? till the get seriously compressed?? Are there any shocks that you can
> do this with??? I have read a lot of the install articles for the RE lift
> and they say install upside down. I cant imagine them driving theirs if it
> acts anything like mine does. PLEASE HELP THIS IS SOOOOOO ANNOYING>
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> ERIC
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6224 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 5:01am
Subject: Dust problem meeting Today 9:00am
Myself and Hal Loy,
Will be meeting at the Wataburger on Mcdowell and 7th st. at 7:45am-830am
today if anyone is interested in attending the meeting. We will depart at
8:30am, to the meeting at Maricopa county Environmental serv. dept. 1001 n.
central ave. 5th floor training center.
Dave
6225 From: Matt Barker <azjeeps@f...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 6:22am
Subject: New Stuff
Just letting folks know I finally added a few updates to my web page--including a small write-up on installing Rubicon Express 4.5" extreme duty lift on my jeep. -- Matt B. 94 YJ http://azjeeps.web.com Range Riders 4 Wheelers Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
6226 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 6:52am
Subject: Re: Cove 3 Trip Report - AZ-VJC Cleanup Day at Saguaro Lake (long)
Jim and all:
When I got the permit from Mesa Rangers Office they said that one of the reasons that they ask us to get the permit is so that they know what is going on. They said they would schedule an overtime crew to pick up the trash Sunday AM. I was at Butcher Jones at 8:15 AM on Sunday and sure enough along came the big green truck with three helpers. In an hour they had stuffed all of our loot into their compactor and drove off. So, the Ranger district did their part also.
Jon
The only downside to the day came at the very end (no, not the college
kids ripping around on their ATVs), but at the trash dumpster itself. By
the time we got there and contributed, the dumpster was pretty much
overfilled. While I aired back up, Dave noticed a Ranger nearby and went
to ask if she could arrange to get the trash dumped (turns out normal
pickup day is Monday). He explained what the AZ-VJC was doing, and that
there was more on the way, but that our attempt to clean up the place
doesn't work if the public only sees overflowing garbage at the park
itself. I think he got her attention with that, and she said she would
try to get it dumped sooner. Hope it happened.
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480-816-6240
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6227 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 7:16am
Subject: Re: TJ front swaybar
The reason I was going to remove the front swaybar was that my tires are rubbing against it.
I have and use Tera disconnects. Originally, my tires were hitting the lower control arms so I adjusted the steering stops. I was still getting a little rub and realized when reconnecting on saturday that it isnt my control arms being hit, it is the swaybar when it is in the up 'disconnected' position. Have no fear people, you and your families are safe when Im on the road..... I will correct the problem in a proper manner and will no longer entertain the idea of removing the swaybar.
Thanks for all the comments,
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Jakob
To: tom le
Cc: Larry Maggio ; Jeep AzVJC
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TJ front swaybar
Call me crazy, but I beleive that ANY insurance company would love to blame ANY accident Your fault due to the fact that you disabled a basic safty component in the vehicle.
Just a thought. :)
Allen
97TJ
tom le wrote:
Hi Larry,
Not only that I disconnected the front swaybar on my
'94 ZJ but only the rear too in order to maximize the
articulation and any potential of ripping out the side
wall of my tires. The only adverse affects to the
handling capability is during a high wind conditions
and at high speed where you feel your vehicle tends to
become a little bit of unstable but I don't having any
problems at all. I guess, you will got used to it
once you get familiar with your vehicle performance.
Therefore, if it is to me, I suggest to disconnect it
since it is not only saves time for not having to
disconnect it; allows more degrees of freedom on the
articulation; and save $$ on not having to buy the
quick disconnect.
Hope this help.
Tom
--- Larry Maggio wrote:
> I've been thinking about disconnecting it
> permanently.... anyone else
> running this way?
>
> thoughts & comments are appreciated.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
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6228 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 7:13am
Subject: Re: Bar-BQ Oxen
Sorry to hear about your loss. Thank god you came out all right. Let us
know if there is anything we can do to help, like search for a new one?
Chris
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6229 From: <AphroDsyak@a...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 3:20am
Subject: Re: shocks. and the tj
I really want to get the racho 9000 any suggestions on these???? anyone
love or hate them???? comments on good shocks. ( it why i love you guys i
know you like to put in your comments) haha eric
6230 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 8:15am
Subject: Re: rock crawling event.
I put in a call to Sandee on times and access routes. I'll post when I find out.
Linda
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6231 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 8:22am
Subject: Re: Arizona licenses and insurance
Off-highway vehicles ABSOLUTELY have to be licensed and insured in AZ.
Even if they a trailered.
The good news is, the license will be cheap on an old CJ, mine is like
$57 for two years.
The other good news is that with the numerically small amount of miles
put on a trail rig, insurance is low. On my CJ added a grand total of
$12 a month to my existing automobile insurance policy.
DougB wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin - Your right about Az registration fees - they can be very
> high...or very low. They're based on the original purchase price of the
> vehicle...so the newer it is, the more you pay.
>
> As to licensing a trail rig, I'd think that if you plan on trailering it, I
> don't believe you'd need to license it. However, it'd probably be a good
> idea, since sometimes you can get on a public road whi;e heading between
> trails. I'm also not certain of the regs on Forest Service Rds. Certainly,
> we see many ATV's on them (that aren't registered). Maybe someone else in
> the group can answer that one better than I.
6232 From: mike stenson <mstens1@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 8:36am
Subject: Re: Arizona licenses and insurance
I think the registration on my CJ runs about $13 a year. Having a
tag's a good thing too as many of the trails are off public roads
anyway.
mike
dave reinken <dave-@c...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6231
> Off-highway vehicles ABSOLUTELY have to be licensed and insured in
AZ.
> Even if they a trailered.
>
> The good news is, the license will be cheap on an old CJ, mine is like
> $57 for two years.
>
> The other good news is that with the numerically small amount of miles
> put on a trail rig, insurance is low. On my CJ added a grand total of
> $12 a month to my existing automobile insurance policy.
>
> DougB wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kevin - Your right about Az registration fees - they can be very
> > high...or very low. They're based on the original purchase price of
the
> > vehicle...so the newer it is, the more you pay.
> >
> > As to licensing a trail rig, I'd think that if you plan on
trailering it, I
> > don't believe you'd need to license it. However, it'd probably be a
good
> > idea, since sometimes you can get on a public road whi;e heading
between
> > trails. I'm also not certain of the regs on Forest Service Rds.
Certainly,
> > we see many ATV's on them (that aren't registered). Maybe someone
else in
> > the group can answer that one better than I.
6233 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 9:24am
Subject: Re: Fw: [JEEP-L] FWD: From Clark Collins, Blue Ribbon Coalition
Are we sure that the email address for Mike Dombeck is right? I have never
seen one with a / (forward slash) in it. If it si correct then he has my
email. If not please let me know so I can resend it to the correct on.
Thanks
Chris
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6234 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 10:03am
Subject: Re: rock crawling event.
Here's a message I received from Sandee about where and when. Just passing it along
Linda Luik wrote:
I put in a call to Sandee on times and access routes. I'll post when I find out.
Linda
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6235 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 10:04am
Subject: Re: rock crawling event.
Whoops. Hit a wrong key. Here is Sandee's message to me.
------------
Directions or site location are not being released until Thursday night at
the meeting at the Best Western Hotel. Other then it's being held in the
Florence Junction area. Maps and information will be available Thursday
night and Friday morning at the hotel, or if you drive Mineral Mtn Road
south off Hwy 60 you'll find the event.
The competitors will be leaving the hotel in Gold Canyon (Hwy 60 & Kings
Ranch Rd, M.P. 202) at 9:00 a.m.
That's all I know at this time....... Hope it helps.
Sandee
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6236 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 10:07am
Subject: Coves Cleanup 2000
We started Saturday morning with about 22 vehicles and picked up 8 or 10
more over the course of the day. All in all I believe that we had over 30
Jeeps representing AZ_VJC in this effort and my thanks go out to all who
helped. I went back out Sunday and watched them haul the trash away from
the dumpster and the pile was bigger than it seemed. We visited a couple of
the Coves on Sunday and they looked great. With the rain we have been
having they will look even better. II apologize for not getting more photos
but we were pretty spread out throughout the day and I was busy picking up
junk. Boy was that place a mess.
Special thanks to the cove leaders, Doug, Charles Bab****, and "Lefty" Len.
Thanks to Len, Peter Wirch and Brice (doesn't even own a Jeep) for lending
their trucks and trailers.
See a few photos here.
<http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=2232034>
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
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6237 From: DeVincentis, Jason <Jason_DeVincentis@I...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 11:13am
Subject: 33" tires on stock rims...
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone could tell me the stock rim size on a jeep cherokee(xj?)...I have heard 15x7 and 15x8. Are there any problems with putting a 33x12.50x15 tire on rims this size. Thanks for the info.
Jason DeVincentis
95 YJ, 3 1/2" cepek lift, 35x14.5x15 tsl sx with lockrite in front dana 30.
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6238 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 11:22am
Subject: Re: 33" tires on stock rims...
XJs came with 15x6, 15x7, and 15x8 wheels depending on the options package. I
don't think you want to put a 33x12.50 on anything less than a 15x8.
33x12.50r15s on an XJ is getting extreme....
Linda
> DeVincentis, Jason wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could tell me the stock rim size on a jeep
> cherokee(xj?)...I have heard 15x7 and 15x8. Are there any problems
> with putting a 33x12.50x15 tire on rims this size. Thanks for the
> info.
>
> Jason DeVincentis
> 95 YJ, 3 1/2" cepek lift, 35x14.5x15 tsl sx with lockrite in front
> dana 30.
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6239 From: DeVincentis, Jason <Jason_DeVincentis@I...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 11:33am
Subject: 33" tires on stock rims
Thanks Linda,
Is there anyway I can tell which rims are on the XJ other than measuring. My friend is currently running 30x9.50x15 on the 5-spoke jeep rims. He currently has the stock suspension with RS9000's. It seems that the 33's will fit for road use, but would rub anywhere offroad. Any suggestions on size of lift to give enough articulation and clearance for the 33's. Thanks in advance.
Jason
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6240 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 0:13pm
Subject: Re: rock crawling event.
I got in touch with Sandee McCullen. Here's the scoop.
The event starts at about 9:30am each day and will go until all participants
have finished the route they are assigned.
The entrance to the event is at Mineral Mtn Rd and US60. Sandee said there
will be a map that shows parking areas for the event. She said they may have
someone at the entrance on Saturday to help direct spectators.
Linda
Linda Luik (p14175) wrote:
>
> I put in a call to Sandee on times and access routes. I'll post when I find out.
> Linda
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6241 From: Chris Radcoon <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 0:50pm
Subject: Re: 33" tires on stock rims
I agree, you don't want the rims to be less than 8" wide. If it is narrower
the tire will not lie flat to the ground, this will cause the center of the
tire to wear out faster along with the fact that less traction will be
optained due to the limited amount of tread actually making contact with the
road.
Most likely the stock tires are 27 to 28 inches tall. To go to 33" tires
you are increasing up to 6 inches total height, only 3 inches closer to the
fender wells. Therefore I would suggest as an absolute minimum 3 inches.
Although to get better articulation I would suggest a 4" lift. In either
case you will have lots of work to relocate the transfercase etc... to
reduce the angle of the drive shafts. If you don't want all the extra work,
a 2" spacer lift would give enough room for 31x10.5 or even 32x11.5 with out
the need to relocate anything. If you stay with the 31's you might be able
to use 10" wide rims.
I have a 97 TJ, 2" spacer with 31x10.5 on 15x10 rims. My next tire will be
31x12.5 on the same rims.
Good luck I hope this info helps some.
Chris
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> Thanks Linda,
>
> Is there anyway I can tell which rims are on the XJ other than measuring.
> My friend is currently running 30x9.50x15 on the 5-spoke jeep rims. He
> currently has the stock suspension with RS9000's. It seems that the 33's
> will fit for road use, but would rub anywhere offroad. Any suggestions
on
> size of lift to give enough articulation and clearance for the 33's.
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Jason
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6217 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 9:57pm
Subject: TJ front swaybar
I've been thinking about disconnecting it permanently.... anyone else
running this way?
thoughts & comments are appreciated.
Larry
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6218 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 9:58pm
Subject: Re: AlliedSignal Club Run to Moab
Hi Bernie,
I will definitely be up there but having decided which
day I will be up there yet. Anyhow, I am looking
forward to do run these trails since I have never been
there before.
Tom
'94 ZJ
--- dirtdog@u... wrote:
> If anyone is interested the AlliedSignal annual trek
> to Moab
> is going to be the first week in April. Most of the
> club
> will be camping at the Archview camp ground that is
> about 7
> miles north of Moab. They have full hook-ups for
> motor
> homes, grass areas for tents and also a few small
> cabins.
> Archview Camp ground phone is (800) 813-6622 call
> for
> reservations.
> Most members will be there by Wednesday(4/5) night
> so they
> can do trips Thur,Fri,Sat and maybe Sun if
> motivated. We
> usually split into two groups for the different
> level of
> trails the area has to offer. All you really need up
> there
> are the East and West area Moab maps, (easy to get)
> most the
> trails are well documented and marked.
> It take at least nine hours to get to Moab from
> Phoenix.
>
> See you up there if you are interested.
> Bernie Southerland
>
> I may go up a day ot two early to do some scouting
> or do
> some of the nastier trips that I wouldn't want to
> make the
> club run.
>
>
> Some Moab area trails (note a 4-4+ is nasty)
> http://www.4x4now.com/mu4wd.htm
>
>
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6219 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:17pm
Subject: Re: TJ front swaybar
Hi Larry,
Not only that I disconnected the front swaybar on my
'94 ZJ but only the rear too in order to maximize the
articulation and any potential of ripping out the side
wall of my tires. The only adverse affects to the
handling capability is during a high wind conditions
and at high speed where you feel your vehicle tends to
become a little bit of unstable but I don't having any
problems at all. I guess, you will got used to it
once you get familiar with your vehicle performance.
Therefore, if it is to me, I suggest to disconnect it
since it is not only saves time for not having to
disconnect it; allows more degrees of freedom on the
articulation; and save $$ on not having to buy the
quick disconnect.
Hope this help.
Tom
--- Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
> I've been thinking about disconnecting it
> permanently.... anyone else
> running this way?
>
> thoughts & comments are appreciated.
>
> Larry
>
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6220 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:44pm
Subject: Re: TJ front swaybar
Tom
Yeah, I remember now that you had removed the sways front & rear. I also
just remebered last weekend at Broken Arrow with us there was that red stock
TJ (Keith) that had removed his front & rear.
I'll remove it and see if I can get used to the new on-road manners.
Everyone, thanks for all the replies and have a great week.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
To: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>; Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ front swaybar
> Hi Larry,
> Not only that I disconnected the front swaybar on my
> '94 ZJ but only the rear too in order to maximize the
> articulation and any potential of ripping out the side
> wall of my tires. The only adverse affects to the
> handling capability is during a high wind conditions
> and at high speed where you feel your vehicle tends to
> become a little bit of unstable but I don't having any
> problems at all. I guess, you will got used to it
> once you get familiar with your vehicle performance.
> Therefore, if it is to me, I suggest to disconnect it
> since it is not only saves time for not having to
> disconnect it; allows more degrees of freedom on the
> articulation; and save $$ on not having to buy the
> quick disconnect.
> Hope this help.
> Tom
>
>
> --- Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...> wrote:
> > I've been thinking about disconnecting it
> > permanently.... anyone else
> > running this way?
> >
> > thoughts & comments are appreciated.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
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6221 From: Allen Jakob <allenjakob@w...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 10:50pm
Subject: Re: TJ front swaybar
Call me crazy, but I beleive that ANY insurance company would love to blame ANY accident Your fault due to the fact that you disabled a basic safty component in the vehicle.
Just a thought. :)
Allen
97TJ
tom le wrote:
Hi Larry,
Not only that I disconnected the front swaybar on my
'94 ZJ but only the rear too in order to maximize the
articulation and any potential of ripping out the side
wall of my tires. The only adverse affects to the
handling capability is during a high wind conditions
and at high speed where you feel your vehicle tends to
become a little bit of unstable but I don't having any
problems at all. I guess, you will got used to it
once you get familiar with your vehicle performance.
Therefore, if it is to me, I suggest to disconnect it
since it is not only saves time for not having to
disconnect it; allows more degrees of freedom on the
articulation; and save $$ on not having to buy the
quick disconnect.
Hope this help.
Tom
--- Larry Maggio wrote:
> I've been thinking about disconnecting it
> permanently.... anyone else
> running this way?
>
> thoughts & comments are appreciated.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
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6222 From: Jesus Chio <jchio@a...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 11:14pm
Subject: Axles...
Thanks a lot for the input on the axle width, it DO was helpful
Jesus Chio,
Editor : www.alloffroad.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: James A Langdon
To: jchio@alloffroad.com
Cc: az_vjc@makelist.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 4:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: No Subject
From off-road.com, they have the following axle info including the 79 CJ:
Hope it helps,
Jim Yucca-man@juno.com
Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://azvjc.web.com
89 Cherokee (Resurrected?) 73 CJ5 (RIP)
Model/Version Spring Pads Wheel to Wheel Years
Dana 30/CJ Narrow Track 28" 53" '72-'81
Dana 30/CJ Wide Track 28" 56" '82-'86
AMC 20/CJ Narrow Track 36" 50.5" '76-'81
AMC 20/CJ Wide Track 36" 54.5" '82-'86
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:57:38 -0600 "Jesus Chio" jchio@alloffroad.com
writes:
> Any of you has a 79 CJ7?? mine is too narrow and Im wondering if its
> my imagination or its real, if any of you can tell me what's the
> wide of your rear or front axle would be great, thanks a lot.!
>
>
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6223 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 2:24am
Subject: Re: shocks. and the tj
Eric
I have Pro Comps on my CJ and they are can up. I haven't noticed any difference
in ride and the dealer said they work fine either way. How old are yours? Have
either of the cans been damaged? I think you can get new ones under warranty.
Bob
AphroDsyak@aol.com wrote:
> I have a question. I saw the tera shock relocators. Does anyone know what
> they run?? and what about that maco part what is it?? Same thing?? Where can
> I get one? The big thing is I Reinstalled my shocks can up to prevent them
> from smacking the perch. The *** end of my tj bounces horribly now??? Do
> shocks not work upside down?? I am looking to go from the procomp 3000 to a
> ranch 9000 but do they all have to be can down??? I don't know much about
> shocks but I know some use oil. Would that cause them not to work well or at
> all?? till the get seriously compressed?? Are there any shocks that you can
> do this with??? I have read a lot of the install articles for the RE lift
> and they say install upside down. I cant imagine them driving theirs if it
> acts anything like mine does. PLEASE HELP THIS IS SOOOOOO ANNOYING>
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6224 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 5:01am
Subject: Dust problem meeting Today 9:00am
Myself and Hal Loy,
Will be meeting at the Wataburger on Mcdowell and 7th st. at 7:45am-830am
today if anyone is interested in attending the meeting. We will depart at
8:30am, to the meeting at Maricopa county Environmental serv. dept. 1001 n.
central ave. 5th floor training center.
Dave
6225 From: Matt Barker <azjeeps@f...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 6:22am
Subject: New Stuff
Just letting folks know I finally added a few updates to my web page--including a small write-up on installing Rubicon Express 4.5" extreme duty lift on my jeep. -- Matt B. 94 YJ http://azjeeps.web.com Range Riders 4 Wheelers Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
6226 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 6:52am
Subject: Re: Cove 3 Trip Report - AZ-VJC Cleanup Day at Saguaro Lake (long)
Jim and all:
When I got the permit from Mesa Rangers Office they said that one of the reasons that they ask us to get the permit is so that they know what is going on. They said they would schedule an overtime crew to pick up the trash Sunday AM. I was at Butcher Jones at 8:15 AM on Sunday and sure enough along came the big green truck with three helpers. In an hour they had stuffed all of our loot into their compactor and drove off. So, the Ranger district did their part also.
Jon
The only downside to the day came at the very end (no, not the college
kids ripping around on their ATVs), but at the trash dumpster itself. By
the time we got there and contributed, the dumpster was pretty much
overfilled. While I aired back up, Dave noticed a Ranger nearby and went
to ask if she could arrange to get the trash dumped (turns out normal
pickup day is Monday). He explained what the AZ-VJC was doing, and that
there was more on the way, but that our attempt to clean up the place
doesn't work if the public only sees overflowing garbage at the park
itself. I think he got her attention with that, and she said she would
try to get it dumped sooner. Hope it happened.
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6227 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 7:16am
Subject: Re: TJ front swaybar
The reason I was going to remove the front swaybar was that my tires are rubbing against it.
I have and use Tera disconnects. Originally, my tires were hitting the lower control arms so I adjusted the steering stops. I was still getting a little rub and realized when reconnecting on saturday that it isnt my control arms being hit, it is the swaybar when it is in the up 'disconnected' position. Have no fear people, you and your families are safe when Im on the road..... I will correct the problem in a proper manner and will no longer entertain the idea of removing the swaybar.
Thanks for all the comments,
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Jakob
To: tom le
Cc: Larry Maggio ; Jeep AzVJC
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TJ front swaybar
Call me crazy, but I beleive that ANY insurance company would love to blame ANY accident Your fault due to the fact that you disabled a basic safty component in the vehicle.
Just a thought. :)
Allen
97TJ
tom le wrote:
Hi Larry,
Not only that I disconnected the front swaybar on my
'94 ZJ but only the rear too in order to maximize the
articulation and any potential of ripping out the side
wall of my tires. The only adverse affects to the
handling capability is during a high wind conditions
and at high speed where you feel your vehicle tends to
become a little bit of unstable but I don't having any
problems at all. I guess, you will got used to it
once you get familiar with your vehicle performance.
Therefore, if it is to me, I suggest to disconnect it
since it is not only saves time for not having to
disconnect it; allows more degrees of freedom on the
articulation; and save $$ on not having to buy the
quick disconnect.
Hope this help.
Tom
--- Larry Maggio wrote:
> I've been thinking about disconnecting it
> permanently.... anyone else
> running this way?
>
> thoughts & comments are appreciated.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
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6228 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 7:13am
Subject: Re: Bar-BQ Oxen
Sorry to hear about your loss. Thank god you came out all right. Let us
know if there is anything we can do to help, like search for a new one?
Chris
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6229 From: <AphroDsyak@a...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 3:20am
Subject: Re: shocks. and the tj
I really want to get the racho 9000 any suggestions on these???? anyone
love or hate them???? comments on good shocks. ( it why i love you guys i
know you like to put in your comments) haha eric
6230 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 8:15am
Subject: Re: rock crawling event.
I put in a call to Sandee on times and access routes. I'll post when I find out.
Linda
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6231 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 8:22am
Subject: Re: Arizona licenses and insurance
Off-highway vehicles ABSOLUTELY have to be licensed and insured in AZ.
Even if they a trailered.
The good news is, the license will be cheap on an old CJ, mine is like
$57 for two years.
The other good news is that with the numerically small amount of miles
put on a trail rig, insurance is low. On my CJ added a grand total of
$12 a month to my existing automobile insurance policy.
DougB wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin - Your right about Az registration fees - they can be very
> high...or very low. They're based on the original purchase price of the
> vehicle...so the newer it is, the more you pay.
>
> As to licensing a trail rig, I'd think that if you plan on trailering it, I
> don't believe you'd need to license it. However, it'd probably be a good
> idea, since sometimes you can get on a public road whi;e heading between
> trails. I'm also not certain of the regs on Forest Service Rds. Certainly,
> we see many ATV's on them (that aren't registered). Maybe someone else in
> the group can answer that one better than I.
6232 From: mike stenson <mstens1@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 8:36am
Subject: Re: Arizona licenses and insurance
I think the registration on my CJ runs about $13 a year. Having a
tag's a good thing too as many of the trails are off public roads
anyway.
mike
dave reinken <dave-@c...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6231
> Off-highway vehicles ABSOLUTELY have to be licensed and insured in
AZ.
> Even if they a trailered.
>
> The good news is, the license will be cheap on an old CJ, mine is like
> $57 for two years.
>
> The other good news is that with the numerically small amount of miles
> put on a trail rig, insurance is low. On my CJ added a grand total of
> $12 a month to my existing automobile insurance policy.
>
> DougB wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kevin - Your right about Az registration fees - they can be very
> > high...or very low. They're based on the original purchase price of
the
> > vehicle...so the newer it is, the more you pay.
> >
> > As to licensing a trail rig, I'd think that if you plan on
trailering it, I
> > don't believe you'd need to license it. However, it'd probably be a
good
> > idea, since sometimes you can get on a public road whi;e heading
between
> > trails. I'm also not certain of the regs on Forest Service Rds.
Certainly,
> > we see many ATV's on them (that aren't registered). Maybe someone
else in
> > the group can answer that one better than I.
6233 From: Chris Radcoon <My1stJeep@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 9:24am
Subject: Re: Fw: [JEEP-L] FWD: From Clark Collins, Blue Ribbon Coalition
Are we sure that the email address for Mike Dombeck is right? I have never
seen one with a / (forward slash) in it. If it si correct then he has my
email. If not please let me know so I can resend it to the correct on.
Thanks
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6234 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 10:03am
Subject: Re: rock crawling event.
Here's a message I received from Sandee about where and when. Just passing it along
Linda Luik wrote:
I put in a call to Sandee on times and access routes. I'll post when I find out.
Linda
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6235 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 10:04am
Subject: Re: rock crawling event.
Whoops. Hit a wrong key. Here is Sandee's message to me.
------------
Directions or site location are not being released until Thursday night at
the meeting at the Best Western Hotel. Other then it's being held in the
Florence Junction area. Maps and information will be available Thursday
night and Friday morning at the hotel, or if you drive Mineral Mtn Road
south off Hwy 60 you'll find the event.
The competitors will be leaving the hotel in Gold Canyon (Hwy 60 & Kings
Ranch Rd, M.P. 202) at 9:00 a.m.
That's all I know at this time....... Hope it helps.
Sandee
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6236 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 10:07am
Subject: Coves Cleanup 2000
We started Saturday morning with about 22 vehicles and picked up 8 or 10
more over the course of the day. All in all I believe that we had over 30
Jeeps representing AZ_VJC in this effort and my thanks go out to all who
helped. I went back out Sunday and watched them haul the trash away from
the dumpster and the pile was bigger than it seemed. We visited a couple of
the Coves on Sunday and they looked great. With the rain we have been
having they will look even better. II apologize for not getting more photos
but we were pretty spread out throughout the day and I was busy picking up
junk. Boy was that place a mess.
Special thanks to the cove leaders, Doug, Charles Bab****, and "Lefty" Len.
Thanks to Len, Peter Wirch and Brice (doesn't even own a Jeep) for lending
their trucks and trailers.
See a few photos here.
<http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=2232034>
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6237 From: DeVincentis, Jason <Jason_DeVincentis@I...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 11:13am
Subject: 33" tires on stock rims...
Hello,
I was wondering if anyone could tell me the stock rim size on a jeep cherokee(xj?)...I have heard 15x7 and 15x8. Are there any problems with putting a 33x12.50x15 tire on rims this size. Thanks for the info.
Jason DeVincentis
95 YJ, 3 1/2" cepek lift, 35x14.5x15 tsl sx with lockrite in front dana 30.
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6238 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 11:22am
Subject: Re: 33" tires on stock rims...
XJs came with 15x6, 15x7, and 15x8 wheels depending on the options package. I
don't think you want to put a 33x12.50 on anything less than a 15x8.
33x12.50r15s on an XJ is getting extreme....
Linda
> DeVincentis, Jason wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could tell me the stock rim size on a jeep
> cherokee(xj?)...I have heard 15x7 and 15x8. Are there any problems
> with putting a 33x12.50x15 tire on rims this size. Thanks for the
> info.
>
> Jason DeVincentis
> 95 YJ, 3 1/2" cepek lift, 35x14.5x15 tsl sx with lockrite in front
> dana 30.
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6239 From: DeVincentis, Jason <Jason_DeVincentis@I...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 11:33am
Subject: 33" tires on stock rims
Thanks Linda,
Is there anyway I can tell which rims are on the XJ other than measuring. My friend is currently running 30x9.50x15 on the 5-spoke jeep rims. He currently has the stock suspension with RS9000's. It seems that the 33's will fit for road use, but would rub anywhere offroad. Any suggestions on size of lift to give enough articulation and clearance for the 33's. Thanks in advance.
Jason
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6240 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 0:13pm
Subject: Re: rock crawling event.
I got in touch with Sandee McCullen. Here's the scoop.
The event starts at about 9:30am each day and will go until all participants
have finished the route they are assigned.
The entrance to the event is at Mineral Mtn Rd and US60. Sandee said there
will be a map that shows parking areas for the event. She said they may have
someone at the entrance on Saturday to help direct spectators.
Linda
Linda Luik (p14175) wrote:
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> I put in a call to Sandee on times and access routes. I'll post when I find out.
> Linda
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6241 From: Chris Radcoon <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 6, 2000 0:50pm
Subject: Re: 33" tires on stock rims
I agree, you don't want the rims to be less than 8" wide. If it is narrower
the tire will not lie flat to the ground, this will cause the center of the
tire to wear out faster along with the fact that less traction will be
optained due to the limited amount of tread actually making contact with the
road.
Most likely the stock tires are 27 to 28 inches tall. To go to 33" tires
you are increasing up to 6 inches total height, only 3 inches closer to the
fender wells. Therefore I would suggest as an absolute minimum 3 inches.
Although to get better articulation I would suggest a 4" lift. In either
case you will have lots of work to relocate the transfercase etc... to
reduce the angle of the drive shafts. If you don't want all the extra work,
a 2" spacer lift would give enough room for 31x10.5 or even 32x11.5 with out
the need to relocate anything. If you stay with the 31's you might be able
to use 10" wide rims.
I have a 97 TJ, 2" spacer with 31x10.5 on 15x10 rims. My next tire will be
31x12.5 on the same rims.
Good luck I hope this info helps some.
Chris
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:33:45 -0700, DeVincentis, Jason wrote:
> Thanks Linda,
>
> Is there anyway I can tell which rims are on the XJ other than measuring.
> My friend is currently running 30x9.50x15 on the 5-spoke jeep rims. He
> currently has the stock suspension with RS9000's. It seems that the 33's
> will fit for road use, but would rub anywhere offroad. Any suggestions
on
> size of lift to give enough articulation and clearance for the 33's.
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Jason
>
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