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6042 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 8:25am
Subject: Re: USFS management
Thanks David, I did finally manage to get a copy of the Environmental
Assessment report from Rory Steinke, in the Mesa office. He seemed like
a good guy.
The thing I found most amazing about the report was that their OWN
ASSESSMENT stated that the impact of vehicles COULDN'T be determined due
to any evidence being overwhelmed by the cattle. How can they even
consider closing the road to motorized vehicles when they admit that
they don't even have any idea if the vehicles are causing any problems?
Grrrrr.......
My letter's in the mail.
"O'Boyle, David" wrote:
>
> Dave,
> I have a copy of that letter if you want it. I have been way to busy to even
> read it... Let me know and I can meet you somewhere with it..
> Dave (azxj)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Reinken [mailto:daver@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 1:58 PM
> To: az_vjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: USFS management
>
> I too have had all good experiences with USFS Rangers. I'm not taking
> too much more run-around on getting a copy of this report, though. I
> will, however, certainly be courteous and respectful, but firm and
> fervent in my efforts to obtain it and have my voice heard.
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6043 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 9:58am
Subject: [Fwd: NPS Access Issue]
FYI
Linda
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:40:04 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: NPS Access Issue
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
The Blue Water Network is an anti-access organization with a focus on National Park Lands. In the southwest many National Parks have extensive networks of backroads that are available to highway licensed vehicles. If the Blue Water Network get what it wants, no mechanical access will exist off of paved surfaces in NPS holdings. Potentially, this means that the El Camino Del Diablo could become off limits--it that vast area of southern Arizona becomes a National Park. The Grand Canyon NP, Glen Canyon NRA, Lake Mead NRA, Canyonlands NP, Big Bend NP, and Death Valley NP--are examples of NPS holdings that have quality back country mechanized recreation opportunities available. You may want to call your local National Park Service office to obtain contact information about the NPS holdings that you want to communicate with. --See the note below from Carla Boucher--
--------------------------------------
Date: 2/25/0 2:10 PM
From: C Boucher
NOTE: Some of you may never have been four wheeling on National Park Service managed
lands. Areas which are jeopardized by this threat are not only traditional four wheel
drive roads and routes, but the beaches that our friends and members who sportfish on NPS
seashores use. We need everyone's help. Please send this form letter if you would!
MEMO TO: United Four Wheel Drive Associations
FROM: Carla Boucher
RE: Legislative Advocate Special Report (3-00)
DATE: February 25, 2000
As always, this form letter is available at www.wi4wda.org/carlaboucher.html
WHAT: The Bluewater Network, along with 67 other environmental groups, petitioned the
National Park Service to completely ban OHV use in National Parks. Information about the
petition is available at the Bluewater Network website at:
http://www.earthisland.org/bw/ (click on "Bluewater petitions Park Service to ban off-road
vehicles" - prs.release and report).
HOW IT EFFECTS UFWDA: The petition is full of inaccurate accusations to entice the
public into believing that OHV use is a major problem within the National Park Service.
However, statistics from the NPS show that OHV use occurs on less than one-half of one
percent
of the total NPS lands.
I have prepared a form letter to educate the NPS and the public regarding the truth
surrounding OHV use in National Parks. Please send this letter to the Washington, D.C.
Office as indicated on the form letter, but also please send it to NPS offices in your
area.
As always, please send the letter by U.S. Post if possible rather than via e-mail. I
believe that we make more of an impact with letters than with e-mail.
WHO TO WRITE:
Robert Stanton, Director
National Park Service
1849 C Street NW
Washington, DC 20240
e-mail: Bob_Stanton@nps.gov
Robert Stanton, Director
National Park Service
1849 C Street NW
Washington, DC 20240
February 22, 2000
Dear Mr. Stanton,
The National Park Service received a petition by Bluewater Network and other
environmental organizations calling for a complete ban to OHV use on National Park Service
units. I am writing to request that the National Park Service continue to permit OHV use
within our park units.
- There are 378 NPS units (see www.nps.gov/legacy/index.htm and click on parks). 59 units
have OHV use on them, which equals 16% of NPS units. The Bluewater petition stated, "ORVs
are being used in more than half of all possible park units, or a total of 59 units (55%)"
. They use this statistic to try to make you and the public believe that OHV use is at a
some critical level when in fact, use occurs on only 16% of NPS units, not 55% as
Bluewater would have you believe.
- There are 378 NPS units. 38 units equals 10% of NPS units. The Bluewater petition
stated, "38 parks (35%) acknowledge serious damage to resources..". They use this
statistic to try to make you believe that OHV use is at a critical level, when in fact
serious damage is alleged to occur on 10% of NPS units, not 35% as Bluewater would have
you believe.
- The Bluewater petition stated, "Over 30,434 miles of four-wheel drive routes are
legally
open to off-road vehicles". This statement is intended to lead you to believe that OHV
use occurs at an alarming level. In fact, 30,434 miles of four-wheel drive routes
(approximately 100 feet wide) are equal to, or comprise 368,860 acres of land. The NPS
total acreage equals 80.7 million acres. Therefore, roads comprise less than one-half of
one percent of the total NPS acreage (0.46%).
It may appear that Bluewater Network and its environmentalists partners are concerned with
park ecology, however they are addressing use on less than one-half of one percent of all
our National Parks and are doing nothing to educate users on proper land use techniques.
I could not find one instance on Bluewater Network's website (www.earthisland.org/bw/)
where they educated the public on proper practices when visiting our National Parks. No
link to TreadLightly!, no information on how to "pack it in, pack it out", no Keep America
Beautiful education. This lack of educational information should lead you to question
their sincerity in protecting ecological sustainability of our National Parks. This,
coupled with their failure to provide accurate statistical information, should lead you to
question the validity of anything Bluewater Network publishes, including their claims of
OHV damage.
Although the alleged problem with OHV use occurs on a very, very small percentage of NPS
units, I am interested in working cooperatively with the National Park Service to find
solutions to site-specific problems.
Please continue to permit OHV use on National Park Service units. I look forward to
hearing from you in the coming weeks regarding this important issue and your response to
the inaccuracies of the Bluewater Network petition.
Sincerely,
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6045 From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 1:46pm
Subject: Wrangler Carpets
hey all. I know you'll probably tell me I'm wasting my time and to rhino
coat the sucker, but I want to recarpet the inside of my 87 wrangler. is
anyone familiar with the steelhorse kits? are they durable...do they fit
nice or bunch up everywhere...do they cover the same amount of metal as the
factory carpets did? is there another source for carpets that any of you
are familiar with and could recommend? I've finally got her runnin good,
but need to make her a little more hospitable!
thanks in advance!
tom j.
6046 From: <ZJDreams@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 9:24am
Subject: Re: Wrangler Carpets
Okay I don't actually have any personal experience with the Steel Horse
carpet sets but when I had a wrangler I bought one of their center consoles
and I thought it was the biggest POS. I've heard from several other people
who feel that the quality of steel horse products is very lacking.
Jeff
6047 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 2:40pm
Subject: Re: Group Benefits
If the businesses would be willing, I'd include them in a section of the
website. I'll look into it, but I'm pretty sure I can set up a "Members
Only" section of the site that would require password to get into if that
would be a sticking point for any businesses that are interested in
offering discounts. I can see that while some companies may express
interest in allowing a discount, they may not want the amount f the
discount published for the world to see...
Do we have any more shirts unclaimed? I never placed an initial order,
and would like to get one now if there are any available.
Jim Yucca-man@j...
Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://azvjc.web.com
89 Cherokee (Resurrected?) 73 CJ5 (RIP)
On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:55:25 -0700 "DougB" <azjeep@h...> writes:
> Excellent idea, Bill. In fact we did this when we ordered a whole
> bunch of
> Oasis Tire deflators. Since that was mail order - it was a little
> bit of a
> hassle getting things all together so one large check could be sent
> in. We
> also did it on a bulk shirt order (some of which I don't think to
> this day
> have been picked up).
>
> BUT - if we could get some sort of club discount at local
> businesses, and
> maybe post these businesses on our web site as a quid pro quo - that
> would
> be cool.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Stevens <dirttourist@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:34 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Group Benefits
>
>
> > Need a little feedback all. I've been a member of AZVJC since last
> fall
> > with my jeepin buddy Maniatico who introduced me to this excellent
> > gathering of people. So far only made one trip, coves, learned a
> > bunch(trashed my tires) and work everyday at returning for much
> > more(less damage...bigger hills). The membership here is free, the
> > people associated are excellent. AND this morning I had an idea.
> > Have we ever organized and used the power of our over 200 members
> to
> > gain special service and discounts from our local merchants? I
> know we
> > have members who own businesses and we send our business their way
> for
> > sure.
> > MY point. I owned and operated a Goodyear franchise for years and
> still
> > have contacts (and corporate resale number). This should still
> gain me
> > access to wholesale pricing from tire and parts distributors. For
> > example: Tire wholesale warehouses like Goodyear and Charlie Case
> tire
> > perhaps. I'm thinking also parts, service and repair
> (installation)
> > companies which I've got a good sized list of folks I used to do a
> > bunch of business with. Keep in mind that I have not approached
> any
> > businesses on behalf of out group as yet...
> > Is there a way we could recognize these companies(even just on the
> > egroup site) and organize a reference of reliable resources for
> our
> > members to use?
> > I'm thinking and excellent exchange... helps us... helps them and
> I
> > know that there are corporate product trials and possibly
> promotion
> > money available if I can reach the right people.
> > Anyone got any feedback?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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6048 From: Eric Herring <herring@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 6:03pm
Subject: Re: Wrangler Carpets
I put it in my 94 YJ before I sold it. It looks decent covers more than the
stock carpet but it takes quite a bit of time to put in with all the
trimming & such and it is glued down with this really sticky glue (good luck
removing it in the future). It's a good carpet set if your planning to sell
your Jeep.;-)
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Jacobson [mailto:Tjacobs@I...]
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 2:46 PM
To: 4x4 Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Wrangler Carpets
hey all. I know you'll probably tell me I'm wasting my time and to rhino
coat the sucker, but I want to recarpet the inside of my 87 wrangler. is
anyone familiar with the steelhorse kits? are they durable...do they fit
nice or bunch up everywhere...do they cover the same amount of metal as the
factory carpets did? is there another source for carpets that any of you
are familiar with and could recommend? I've finally got her runnin good,
but need to make her a little more hospitable!
thanks in advance!
tom j.
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6049 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Wrangler Carpets
Not sure about the Steel Horse carpet kits...but there other stuff is
generally pretty crappy. They have managed to develop a very bad reputation,
and I don't think they get much in the way of repeat business. Since I
really have no experience about their carpet kits, it's probably
inappropriate for me to have commented as I did...but what the heck. You may
wish to post a note to rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys and ask there...I'm sure
you'll get some comments from this newsgroup.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
To: 4x4 Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 2:46 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wrangler Carpets
> hey all. I know you'll probably tell me I'm wasting my time and to rhino
> coat the sucker, but I want to recarpet the inside of my 87 wrangler. is
> anyone familiar with the steelhorse kits? are they durable...do they fit
> nice or bunch up everywhere...do they cover the same amount of metal as
the
> factory carpets did? is there another source for carpets that any of you
> are familiar with and could recommend? I've finally got her runnin good,
> but need to make her a little more hospitable!
>
> thanks in advance!
> tom j.
>
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6050 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 4:09am
Subject: wedding date
We've set a date: May 13th
Yes, that's right - we'll have our wedding anniversery on Friday the 13th
eventually. Always wanted to do that............hee hee
We're going to look at some potential locations this weekend at Saguaro
Lake.....now all we have to do is find a Jeepin' preacher. Bill Mish
mentioned that his pastor is a fellow Jeeper.....anybody know if he's going
to be on the Coves run? We're going to set it up so that we are standing in
the back of the J-10 with the preacher either on the tailgate or in the back
of his own Jeep. Not sure yet whether we'll "pose" the Jeeps on some big
rocks or do it at the top of a mountain.......probably both.
As I type this we're both sitting here laughing at the thought of the truck
decorated with 'Just Married' stuff careening along the trail...............
Len and Pam
'78 J-10 (for now)
6051 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 8:33pm
Subject: speedo gear
Anyone have a 40 tooth TJ speedo gear f for sale?
I have a 36, 37, and 39 tooth that I can trade, or make you a 2 for 1 deal.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.west/~solson8
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6052 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 5:37pm
Subject: you have to wonder about the USFS
Approximately a month ago, I sent a letter to the Cave Creek ranger station.
I asked for a copy of the Red Creek EA and I commented about closing Red
Creek. I received nothing from them, not even a note or a phone.
Last week, with the renewed FR18 posting by a David (I think that was who
did it), I again sent another letter to the same office. Again, I commented
that I had not received the requested EA and again I commented, based on my
limited knowledge of the info in the EA.
Guess what shows up in the mail today......a copy of the Red Creek EA.
I really have to wonder just how much these folks at the Cave Creek Ranger
Station are on our side. It certainly could be pure coincidence that I
received the EA a mere two days before the comment period closes. I am not
saying this was done intentionally, but considering I asked for it a month
ago, and I included my phone number and mailing address, they could have
easily picked up the phone to say...."Mr. Olson, we are out of copies of the
EA and it will be 3 weeks before we can put one in the mail", or something
like that. Gee, that would have taken maybe 30 seconds, including the time
to dial my number.
I realize that I am venting a bit here, but contrary to what several others
here in the group have said, this most recent experience with the USFS is so
typical of what I have always encountered. It really ticks me off.....more
so that I am paying their #%$^! worthless salary.
OK....I'm done for now. In the next installment of "Watch Out for the
USFS", I'll relate to you the episode of "The $300 Painting Overspray Fine",
courtesy of the bunch that works in the Prescott National Forest office.
You will really love that one.
Respectfully,
Stu
p.s. It looks like I'll be joining those of you that are doing the Coves
cleanup on the upcoming weekend. I look forward to meeting many of you.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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6053 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:06am
Subject: Re: you have to wonder about the USFS
Stu Olson wrote:
> Approximately a month ago, I sent a letter to the Cave Creek ranger station.
> I asked for a copy of the Red Creek EA and I commented about closing Red
> Creek. I received nothing from them, not even a note or a phone.
<snip>
> I really have to wonder just how much these folks at the Cave Creek Ranger
> Station are on our side. It certainly could be pure coincidence that I
> received the EA a mere two days before the comment period closes. I am not
> saying this was done intentionally, but considering I asked for it a month
> ago, and I included my phone number and mailing address, they could have
> easily picked up the phone to say...."Mr. Olson, we are out of copies of the
> EA and it will be 3 weeks before we can put one in the mail", or something
> like that. Gee, that would have taken maybe 30 seconds, including the time
> to dial my number.
>
> I realize that I am venting a bit here, but contrary to what several others
> here in the group have said, this most recent experience with the USFS is so
> typical of what I have always encountered. It really ticks me off.....more
> so that I am paying their #%$^! worthless salary.
<snip>
I too had bad experiences with the Cave Creek Ranger office. The Mesa
office seemed great, though. And damn near ALL rangers I've encountered
"in the field" have been good. I guess I really don't have a point
here, other than there seems to be both good and bad in the USFS, and
though I've encountered both, there seems to be more good.
6054 From: Jerry <jsteele@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:47am
Subject: Re: you have to wonder about the USFS
Here's a tactic I've always entertained to make the USFS officials
nervous and give them pause to think:
Let them know that one of the advantages of increased wilderness is
that we don't need as many people to manage it. One of the big benefits
to taxpayers of wilderness should be the cost savings brought by
reductions in staff at local offices.
Now remember, that's not what us Jeepers want. But by pointing out that
scenario, if I were a local Forest Ranger, I'd begin to think that my
job could be threatened by wilderness. It's multiple use that will keep
them in jobs. I as a taxpayer am perfectly happy with footing the bill
for this as long as I have access.
Jerry Steele
6055 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:53am
Subject: AGUA FRIA DUST PROBLEM MEETING
4-WHEELERS, OHV USERS and OUTDOOR ENTHUSIASTS!!!!
>
> Well,................... they're HITTING us again!!!
>
> I know this is AGAIN really short notice but this is what we have. The
> Maricopa County Environmental Services Dept. has held a meeting early
> February re "dust" from OHV use and are following up with another on:
>
> MONDAY, MARCH 6, 9:00 A.M. at 1001 North Central, 5th Floor
>
> According to Maricopa County Pollution Control they have been receiving
> numerous complaints regarding "dust"........ at this time it's mostly
> involved in the Agua Fria Basin which includes the Lake Pleasant area but
> it's coming from everywhere!!! If we don't ALL GET INVOLVED they will
close
> everything. At least at this time they are looking for alternatives.
They
> will ignore any alternatives if YOU don't get involved!!!! They're even
> trying to issue "citations" to the State Trust Land Dept. because they're
> issuing "Recreation Permits"......... which in turn are causing
> recreationalists to "cause dust"!!!!!!!!
>
> We have been asked to have a representative from each ASA4WDC club in
> attendance. I know this is probably impossible but PLEASE check your
> schedule and see if you can't find some time or someone to attend. Our
Land
> Agencies are recognizing us and our abilities to help in planning and/or
> controling some of the problems they are facing so let's NOT LET THEM
FORGET
> US!!! Find a few hours to attend this meeting. For those of you outside
> the ASA4WDC we need your help and support also. THIS INCLUDES ALL OHV
> USE!!!
>
> PLEASE R.S.V.P. Sandee McCullen at 480 832-8132 or email at:
> mccullen@w...
>
> OHV USERS NEED TO UNITE................. DO YOUR SHARE TO HELP!!!!
>
> The agenda presented to me is as follows:
>
> AGENDA
> AGUA FRIA DUST PROBLEM MEETING
> 9:00 A.M. MST MONDAY, March 6, 2000
> 5th FLOOR TRAINING CENTER
> MARICOPA COUNTY ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT
> 1001 N. CENTRAL AVENUE, PHOENIX
>
> Dust Problem in Agua Fria Basin
>
> Maricopa County Air Pollution Control Regulations
>
> Rule 310.01 ss301 and ss021
>
> Land owner requirements
>
> County Leadership
>
> Replacement recreation area(s)
>
> Coordination of follow-on actions
>
>
> PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ALL OHV PERSONS YOU KNOW..
6056 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 8:21am
Subject: Coves from Tucson
I am planning on going to the clean-up/campout at the Coves Mar. 4 & 5
I am in Tucson and wanting/woundering if anyone whats to convoy Sat.
morning
around 9:00am .
Then returning sometime Sun. afternoon ?
Thanks alot
Sinan
6057 From: r larson <rlarson730@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 9:46am
Subject: Swamper SSR's ???
I'm considering the Super Swamper SSR's, curious if anyone is running
them and what your comments are. Would be interested in estimated tire
life, ride, noise, overall opinion, etc.... Thanks
6058 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 10:23am
Subject: Powertrax No-Slip Locker
I finally have the Powertrax No-Slip locker installed in the front of my TJ.
For those who don't know, I have a 99 TJ Sport with the stock D30 up front
and a D44 with Trash Loc in the rear. It doesn't make the clicking sound
that is common with the Lock Right and the only time that I can tell it is
there is when backing up while turning the wheels hard, it pops as it
disengages. On the highway you don't notice it at all and it doesn't have
any affect on steering. I had it put in yesterday and already have about 90
miles on it but haven't gotten to use it off-road yet. This weekend at the
coves will be it's big test. I plan on putting a No-Slip in the rear when
the LSD wears out a bit more and money permits. So after 90 miles, 60 of
which was on the highway, I am extremely satisfied with the No-Slip's on
road handling characteristics (or lack thereof).
Pete
6059 From: Jerry <jsteele@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 10:27am
Subject: Re: Swamper SSR's ???
I run 35x14.5 SSR's, my wife runs 35x12.5 SSR's, on our third set now.
Would be interested in estimated tire
life: if you want traction you sacrifice tire life. If you want tire
life you sacrifice traction. Simple as that. Don't buy SSR's if tire
life is high on your list.
, ride,
Excellent, as is on-highway handling. Actually it's a surprise how good
it is for an aggressive tire.
noise
They are as quiet as any other aggressive radial I've owned.
, overall opinion
Extremely good traction. The only other tire I'd consider for traction
is the new Goodyear.
If you spend most of your time on pavement (as in daily driver) I think
you'd be happier with a tire like the BFG Mudders though.
Jerry Steele
6060 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 11:19am
Subject: Re: Swamper SSR's ???
All Radial tires have only 2 ply's in the sidewall, except BFG which
have three
if you like weak sidewalls then go for the radial, why not give the
tried and
proven Bais ply a chance ?
Good luck
"r larson" <rlarson73-@a...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6057
> I'm considering the Super Swamper SSR's, curious if anyone is running
> them and what your comments are. Would be interested in estimated
tire
> life, ride, noise, overall opinion, etc.... Thanks
>
6061 From: Matt Barker <azjeeps@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 0:01pm
Subject: Re: Powertrax No-Slip Locker
Where did you order it from? I keep waiting for them to put something up on
the web, but their page has shown Under Construction or something like that
for months. Good price?
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizonal Virtual Jeep Club
6062 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 0:23pm
Subject: Re: Swamper SSR's ???
The SSR's have 6 ply side walls, which is one reason why they're so heavy
(bout 75lbs each on the 35x12.50's).
----- Original Message -----
From: <sinanturel@y...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:19 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Swamper SSR's ???
> All Radial tires have only 2 ply's in the sidewall, except BFG which
> have three
> if you like weak sidewalls then go for the radial, why not give the
> tried and
> proven Bais ply a chance ?
>
> Good luck
>
>
> "r larson" <rlarson73-@a...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6057
> > I'm considering the Super Swamper SSR's, curious if anyone is running
> > them and what your comments are. Would be interested in estimated
> tire
> > life, ride, noise, overall opinion, etc.... Thanks
> >
>
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6063 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 0:24pm
Subject: Chiva Falls/Italian Trap run 3/20
I'm leading a run through Chiva Falls and Italian Trap, (for those who
are not familiar with the location of these trails they are just east
of Tucson in the Rincon Mountains), on Monday, 3/20. Meet at the ABCO
at Tanque Verde and Catalina HWY @ 9:00 AM. Pre-run is Monday, 3/13
meeting at the same time, I expect to head out for the trails about
9:15, we should be back to our meeting spot around 4:00 PM baring any
major problems. Bring lunch and fluids, for yourself and your vehicle
:-). On the 1-5 trail rating scale this is typically a 3.5 to 4, I have
done these in a stock YJ but don't recommend it. For those that don't
feel like driving there are usually seats available to ride if you just
want to site see.
Hal (Wizard)
93YJ
6064 From: Jeff Chapman <jkchapman@u...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 1:04pm
Subject: Newbie
Found the group,signed up,ready to go somewhere!:D
6065 From: UF_RULZ <Scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 1:15pm
Subject: Re: Newbie
Welcome to the club Jeff!
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To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 2:04 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Newbie
> Found the group,signed up,ready to go somewhere!:D
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6066 From: Art Malone <art@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 1:26pm
Subject: Broken Arrow Pix
here's some pic's I took & scanned from broken arrow
www.amcadd.com/malone/jeep/
-----------------------------
Art Malone
AM CADD Services, Inc
6042 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 8:25am
Subject: Re: USFS management
Thanks David, I did finally manage to get a copy of the Environmental
Assessment report from Rory Steinke, in the Mesa office. He seemed like
a good guy.
The thing I found most amazing about the report was that their OWN
ASSESSMENT stated that the impact of vehicles COULDN'T be determined due
to any evidence being overwhelmed by the cattle. How can they even
consider closing the road to motorized vehicles when they admit that
they don't even have any idea if the vehicles are causing any problems?
Grrrrr.......
My letter's in the mail.
"O'Boyle, David" wrote:
>
> Dave,
> I have a copy of that letter if you want it. I have been way to busy to even
> read it... Let me know and I can meet you somewhere with it..
> Dave (azxj)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Reinken [mailto:daver@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 1:58 PM
> To: az_vjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: USFS management
>
> I too have had all good experiences with USFS Rangers. I'm not taking
> too much more run-around on getting a copy of this report, though. I
> will, however, certainly be courteous and respectful, but firm and
> fervent in my efforts to obtain it and have my voice heard.
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6043 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 9:58am
Subject: [Fwd: NPS Access Issue]
FYI
Linda
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:40:04 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: NPS Access Issue
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
The Blue Water Network is an anti-access organization with a focus on National Park Lands. In the southwest many National Parks have extensive networks of backroads that are available to highway licensed vehicles. If the Blue Water Network get what it wants, no mechanical access will exist off of paved surfaces in NPS holdings. Potentially, this means that the El Camino Del Diablo could become off limits--it that vast area of southern Arizona becomes a National Park. The Grand Canyon NP, Glen Canyon NRA, Lake Mead NRA, Canyonlands NP, Big Bend NP, and Death Valley NP--are examples of NPS holdings that have quality back country mechanized recreation opportunities available. You may want to call your local National Park Service office to obtain contact information about the NPS holdings that you want to communicate with. --See the note below from Carla Boucher--
--------------------------------------
Date: 2/25/0 2:10 PM
From: C Boucher
NOTE: Some of you may never have been four wheeling on National Park Service managed
lands. Areas which are jeopardized by this threat are not only traditional four wheel
drive roads and routes, but the beaches that our friends and members who sportfish on NPS
seashores use. We need everyone's help. Please send this form letter if you would!
MEMO TO: United Four Wheel Drive Associations
FROM: Carla Boucher
RE: Legislative Advocate Special Report (3-00)
DATE: February 25, 2000
As always, this form letter is available at www.wi4wda.org/carlaboucher.html
WHAT: The Bluewater Network, along with 67 other environmental groups, petitioned the
National Park Service to completely ban OHV use in National Parks. Information about the
petition is available at the Bluewater Network website at:
http://www.earthisland.org/bw/ (click on "Bluewater petitions Park Service to ban off-road
vehicles" - prs.release and report).
HOW IT EFFECTS UFWDA: The petition is full of inaccurate accusations to entice the
public into believing that OHV use is a major problem within the National Park Service.
However, statistics from the NPS show that OHV use occurs on less than one-half of one
percent
of the total NPS lands.
I have prepared a form letter to educate the NPS and the public regarding the truth
surrounding OHV use in National Parks. Please send this letter to the Washington, D.C.
Office as indicated on the form letter, but also please send it to NPS offices in your
area.
As always, please send the letter by U.S. Post if possible rather than via e-mail. I
believe that we make more of an impact with letters than with e-mail.
WHO TO WRITE:
Robert Stanton, Director
National Park Service
1849 C Street NW
Washington, DC 20240
e-mail: Bob_Stanton@nps.gov
Robert Stanton, Director
National Park Service
1849 C Street NW
Washington, DC 20240
February 22, 2000
Dear Mr. Stanton,
The National Park Service received a petition by Bluewater Network and other
environmental organizations calling for a complete ban to OHV use on National Park Service
units. I am writing to request that the National Park Service continue to permit OHV use
within our park units.
- There are 378 NPS units (see www.nps.gov/legacy/index.htm and click on parks). 59 units
have OHV use on them, which equals 16% of NPS units. The Bluewater petition stated, "ORVs
are being used in more than half of all possible park units, or a total of 59 units (55%)"
. They use this statistic to try to make you and the public believe that OHV use is at a
some critical level when in fact, use occurs on only 16% of NPS units, not 55% as
Bluewater would have you believe.
- There are 378 NPS units. 38 units equals 10% of NPS units. The Bluewater petition
stated, "38 parks (35%) acknowledge serious damage to resources..". They use this
statistic to try to make you believe that OHV use is at a critical level, when in fact
serious damage is alleged to occur on 10% of NPS units, not 35% as Bluewater would have
you believe.
- The Bluewater petition stated, "Over 30,434 miles of four-wheel drive routes are
legally
open to off-road vehicles". This statement is intended to lead you to believe that OHV
use occurs at an alarming level. In fact, 30,434 miles of four-wheel drive routes
(approximately 100 feet wide) are equal to, or comprise 368,860 acres of land. The NPS
total acreage equals 80.7 million acres. Therefore, roads comprise less than one-half of
one percent of the total NPS acreage (0.46%).
It may appear that Bluewater Network and its environmentalists partners are concerned with
park ecology, however they are addressing use on less than one-half of one percent of all
our National Parks and are doing nothing to educate users on proper land use techniques.
I could not find one instance on Bluewater Network's website (www.earthisland.org/bw/)
where they educated the public on proper practices when visiting our National Parks. No
link to TreadLightly!, no information on how to "pack it in, pack it out", no Keep America
Beautiful education. This lack of educational information should lead you to question
their sincerity in protecting ecological sustainability of our National Parks. This,
coupled with their failure to provide accurate statistical information, should lead you to
question the validity of anything Bluewater Network publishes, including their claims of
OHV damage.
Although the alleged problem with OHV use occurs on a very, very small percentage of NPS
units, I am interested in working cooperatively with the National Park Service to find
solutions to site-specific problems.
Please continue to permit OHV use on National Park Service units. I look forward to
hearing from you in the coming weeks regarding this important issue and your response to
the inaccuracies of the Bluewater Network petition.
Sincerely,
Attachment: vcard [not shown]
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Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 2:44pm
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6045 From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 1:46pm
Subject: Wrangler Carpets
hey all. I know you'll probably tell me I'm wasting my time and to rhino
coat the sucker, but I want to recarpet the inside of my 87 wrangler. is
anyone familiar with the steelhorse kits? are they durable...do they fit
nice or bunch up everywhere...do they cover the same amount of metal as the
factory carpets did? is there another source for carpets that any of you
are familiar with and could recommend? I've finally got her runnin good,
but need to make her a little more hospitable!
thanks in advance!
tom j.
6046 From: <ZJDreams@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 9:24am
Subject: Re: Wrangler Carpets
Okay I don't actually have any personal experience with the Steel Horse
carpet sets but when I had a wrangler I bought one of their center consoles
and I thought it was the biggest POS. I've heard from several other people
who feel that the quality of steel horse products is very lacking.
Jeff
6047 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 2:40pm
Subject: Re: Group Benefits
If the businesses would be willing, I'd include them in a section of the
website. I'll look into it, but I'm pretty sure I can set up a "Members
Only" section of the site that would require password to get into if that
would be a sticking point for any businesses that are interested in
offering discounts. I can see that while some companies may express
interest in allowing a discount, they may not want the amount f the
discount published for the world to see...
Do we have any more shirts unclaimed? I never placed an initial order,
and would like to get one now if there are any available.
Jim Yucca-man@j...
Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://azvjc.web.com
89 Cherokee (Resurrected?) 73 CJ5 (RIP)
On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:55:25 -0700 "DougB" <azjeep@h...> writes:
> Excellent idea, Bill. In fact we did this when we ordered a whole
> bunch of
> Oasis Tire deflators. Since that was mail order - it was a little
> bit of a
> hassle getting things all together so one large check could be sent
> in. We
> also did it on a bulk shirt order (some of which I don't think to
> this day
> have been picked up).
>
> BUT - if we could get some sort of club discount at local
> businesses, and
> maybe post these businesses on our web site as a quid pro quo - that
> would
> be cool.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Stevens <dirttourist@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:34 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Group Benefits
>
>
> > Need a little feedback all. I've been a member of AZVJC since last
> fall
> > with my jeepin buddy Maniatico who introduced me to this excellent
> > gathering of people. So far only made one trip, coves, learned a
> > bunch(trashed my tires) and work everyday at returning for much
> > more(less damage...bigger hills). The membership here is free, the
> > people associated are excellent. AND this morning I had an idea.
> > Have we ever organized and used the power of our over 200 members
> to
> > gain special service and discounts from our local merchants? I
> know we
> > have members who own businesses and we send our business their way
> for
> > sure.
> > MY point. I owned and operated a Goodyear franchise for years and
> still
> > have contacts (and corporate resale number). This should still
> gain me
> > access to wholesale pricing from tire and parts distributors. For
> > example: Tire wholesale warehouses like Goodyear and Charlie Case
> tire
> > perhaps. I'm thinking also parts, service and repair
> (installation)
> > companies which I've got a good sized list of folks I used to do a
> > bunch of business with. Keep in mind that I have not approached
> any
> > businesses on behalf of out group as yet...
> > Is there a way we could recognize these companies(even just on the
> > egroup site) and organize a reference of reliable resources for
> our
> > members to use?
> > I'm thinking and excellent exchange... helps us... helps them and
> I
> > know that there are corporate product trials and possibly
> promotion
> > money available if I can reach the right people.
> > Anyone got any feedback?
> >
> >
> >
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6048 From: Eric Herring <herring@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 6:03pm
Subject: Re: Wrangler Carpets
I put it in my 94 YJ before I sold it. It looks decent covers more than the
stock carpet but it takes quite a bit of time to put in with all the
trimming & such and it is glued down with this really sticky glue (good luck
removing it in the future). It's a good carpet set if your planning to sell
your Jeep.;-)
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Jacobson [mailto:Tjacobs@I...]
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 2:46 PM
To: 4x4 Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Wrangler Carpets
hey all. I know you'll probably tell me I'm wasting my time and to rhino
coat the sucker, but I want to recarpet the inside of my 87 wrangler. is
anyone familiar with the steelhorse kits? are they durable...do they fit
nice or bunch up everywhere...do they cover the same amount of metal as the
factory carpets did? is there another source for carpets that any of you
are familiar with and could recommend? I've finally got her runnin good,
but need to make her a little more hospitable!
thanks in advance!
tom j.
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6049 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 6:22pm
Subject: Re: Wrangler Carpets
Not sure about the Steel Horse carpet kits...but there other stuff is
generally pretty crappy. They have managed to develop a very bad reputation,
and I don't think they get much in the way of repeat business. Since I
really have no experience about their carpet kits, it's probably
inappropriate for me to have commented as I did...but what the heck. You may
wish to post a note to rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys and ask there...I'm sure
you'll get some comments from this newsgroup.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
To: 4x4 Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 2:46 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wrangler Carpets
> hey all. I know you'll probably tell me I'm wasting my time and to rhino
> coat the sucker, but I want to recarpet the inside of my 87 wrangler. is
> anyone familiar with the steelhorse kits? are they durable...do they fit
> nice or bunch up everywhere...do they cover the same amount of metal as
the
> factory carpets did? is there another source for carpets that any of you
> are familiar with and could recommend? I've finally got her runnin good,
> but need to make her a little more hospitable!
>
> thanks in advance!
> tom j.
>
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6050 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 4:09am
Subject: wedding date
We've set a date: May 13th
Yes, that's right - we'll have our wedding anniversery on Friday the 13th
eventually. Always wanted to do that............hee hee
We're going to look at some potential locations this weekend at Saguaro
Lake.....now all we have to do is find a Jeepin' preacher. Bill Mish
mentioned that his pastor is a fellow Jeeper.....anybody know if he's going
to be on the Coves run? We're going to set it up so that we are standing in
the back of the J-10 with the preacher either on the tailgate or in the back
of his own Jeep. Not sure yet whether we'll "pose" the Jeeps on some big
rocks or do it at the top of a mountain.......probably both.
As I type this we're both sitting here laughing at the thought of the truck
decorated with 'Just Married' stuff careening along the trail...............
Len and Pam
'78 J-10 (for now)
6051 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 8:33pm
Subject: speedo gear
Anyone have a 40 tooth TJ speedo gear f for sale?
I have a 36, 37, and 39 tooth that I can trade, or make you a 2 for 1 deal.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
http://home.off-road.com/~stu
http://www.users.uswest.west/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
6052 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2000 5:37pm
Subject: you have to wonder about the USFS
Approximately a month ago, I sent a letter to the Cave Creek ranger station.
I asked for a copy of the Red Creek EA and I commented about closing Red
Creek. I received nothing from them, not even a note or a phone.
Last week, with the renewed FR18 posting by a David (I think that was who
did it), I again sent another letter to the same office. Again, I commented
that I had not received the requested EA and again I commented, based on my
limited knowledge of the info in the EA.
Guess what shows up in the mail today......a copy of the Red Creek EA.
I really have to wonder just how much these folks at the Cave Creek Ranger
Station are on our side. It certainly could be pure coincidence that I
received the EA a mere two days before the comment period closes. I am not
saying this was done intentionally, but considering I asked for it a month
ago, and I included my phone number and mailing address, they could have
easily picked up the phone to say...."Mr. Olson, we are out of copies of the
EA and it will be 3 weeks before we can put one in the mail", or something
like that. Gee, that would have taken maybe 30 seconds, including the time
to dial my number.
I realize that I am venting a bit here, but contrary to what several others
here in the group have said, this most recent experience with the USFS is so
typical of what I have always encountered. It really ticks me off.....more
so that I am paying their #%$^! worthless salary.
OK....I'm done for now. In the next installment of "Watch Out for the
USFS", I'll relate to you the episode of "The $300 Painting Overspray Fine",
courtesy of the bunch that works in the Prescott National Forest office.
You will really love that one.
Respectfully,
Stu
p.s. It looks like I'll be joining those of you that are doing the Coves
cleanup on the upcoming weekend. I look forward to meeting many of you.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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6053 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:06am
Subject: Re: you have to wonder about the USFS
Stu Olson wrote:
> Approximately a month ago, I sent a letter to the Cave Creek ranger station.
> I asked for a copy of the Red Creek EA and I commented about closing Red
> Creek. I received nothing from them, not even a note or a phone.
<snip>
> I really have to wonder just how much these folks at the Cave Creek Ranger
> Station are on our side. It certainly could be pure coincidence that I
> received the EA a mere two days before the comment period closes. I am not
> saying this was done intentionally, but considering I asked for it a month
> ago, and I included my phone number and mailing address, they could have
> easily picked up the phone to say...."Mr. Olson, we are out of copies of the
> EA and it will be 3 weeks before we can put one in the mail", or something
> like that. Gee, that would have taken maybe 30 seconds, including the time
> to dial my number.
>
> I realize that I am venting a bit here, but contrary to what several others
> here in the group have said, this most recent experience with the USFS is so
> typical of what I have always encountered. It really ticks me off.....more
> so that I am paying their #%$^! worthless salary.
<snip>
I too had bad experiences with the Cave Creek Ranger office. The Mesa
office seemed great, though. And damn near ALL rangers I've encountered
"in the field" have been good. I guess I really don't have a point
here, other than there seems to be both good and bad in the USFS, and
though I've encountered both, there seems to be more good.
6054 From: Jerry <jsteele@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:47am
Subject: Re: you have to wonder about the USFS
Here's a tactic I've always entertained to make the USFS officials
nervous and give them pause to think:
Let them know that one of the advantages of increased wilderness is
that we don't need as many people to manage it. One of the big benefits
to taxpayers of wilderness should be the cost savings brought by
reductions in staff at local offices.
Now remember, that's not what us Jeepers want. But by pointing out that
scenario, if I were a local Forest Ranger, I'd begin to think that my
job could be threatened by wilderness. It's multiple use that will keep
them in jobs. I as a taxpayer am perfectly happy with footing the bill
for this as long as I have access.
Jerry Steele
6055 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 6:53am
Subject: AGUA FRIA DUST PROBLEM MEETING
4-WHEELERS, OHV USERS and OUTDOOR ENTHUSIASTS!!!!
>
> Well,................... they're HITTING us again!!!
>
> I know this is AGAIN really short notice but this is what we have. The
> Maricopa County Environmental Services Dept. has held a meeting early
> February re "dust" from OHV use and are following up with another on:
>
> MONDAY, MARCH 6, 9:00 A.M. at 1001 North Central, 5th Floor
>
> According to Maricopa County Pollution Control they have been receiving
> numerous complaints regarding "dust"........ at this time it's mostly
> involved in the Agua Fria Basin which includes the Lake Pleasant area but
> it's coming from everywhere!!! If we don't ALL GET INVOLVED they will
close
> everything. At least at this time they are looking for alternatives.
They
> will ignore any alternatives if YOU don't get involved!!!! They're even
> trying to issue "citations" to the State Trust Land Dept. because they're
> issuing "Recreation Permits"......... which in turn are causing
> recreationalists to "cause dust"!!!!!!!!
>
> We have been asked to have a representative from each ASA4WDC club in
> attendance. I know this is probably impossible but PLEASE check your
> schedule and see if you can't find some time or someone to attend. Our
Land
> Agencies are recognizing us and our abilities to help in planning and/or
> controling some of the problems they are facing so let's NOT LET THEM
FORGET
> US!!! Find a few hours to attend this meeting. For those of you outside
> the ASA4WDC we need your help and support also. THIS INCLUDES ALL OHV
> USE!!!
>
> PLEASE R.S.V.P. Sandee McCullen at 480 832-8132 or email at:
> mccullen@w...
>
> OHV USERS NEED TO UNITE................. DO YOUR SHARE TO HELP!!!!
>
> The agenda presented to me is as follows:
>
> AGENDA
> AGUA FRIA DUST PROBLEM MEETING
> 9:00 A.M. MST MONDAY, March 6, 2000
> 5th FLOOR TRAINING CENTER
> MARICOPA COUNTY ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT
> 1001 N. CENTRAL AVENUE, PHOENIX
>
> Dust Problem in Agua Fria Basin
>
> Maricopa County Air Pollution Control Regulations
>
> Rule 310.01 ss301 and ss021
>
> Land owner requirements
>
> County Leadership
>
> Replacement recreation area(s)
>
> Coordination of follow-on actions
>
>
> PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ALL OHV PERSONS YOU KNOW..
6056 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 8:21am
Subject: Coves from Tucson
I am planning on going to the clean-up/campout at the Coves Mar. 4 & 5
I am in Tucson and wanting/woundering if anyone whats to convoy Sat.
morning
around 9:00am .
Then returning sometime Sun. afternoon ?
Thanks alot
Sinan
6057 From: r larson <rlarson730@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 9:46am
Subject: Swamper SSR's ???
I'm considering the Super Swamper SSR's, curious if anyone is running
them and what your comments are. Would be interested in estimated tire
life, ride, noise, overall opinion, etc.... Thanks
6058 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 10:23am
Subject: Powertrax No-Slip Locker
I finally have the Powertrax No-Slip locker installed in the front of my TJ.
For those who don't know, I have a 99 TJ Sport with the stock D30 up front
and a D44 with Trash Loc in the rear. It doesn't make the clicking sound
that is common with the Lock Right and the only time that I can tell it is
there is when backing up while turning the wheels hard, it pops as it
disengages. On the highway you don't notice it at all and it doesn't have
any affect on steering. I had it put in yesterday and already have about 90
miles on it but haven't gotten to use it off-road yet. This weekend at the
coves will be it's big test. I plan on putting a No-Slip in the rear when
the LSD wears out a bit more and money permits. So after 90 miles, 60 of
which was on the highway, I am extremely satisfied with the No-Slip's on
road handling characteristics (or lack thereof).
Pete
6059 From: Jerry <jsteele@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 10:27am
Subject: Re: Swamper SSR's ???
I run 35x14.5 SSR's, my wife runs 35x12.5 SSR's, on our third set now.
Would be interested in estimated tire
life: if you want traction you sacrifice tire life. If you want tire
life you sacrifice traction. Simple as that. Don't buy SSR's if tire
life is high on your list.
, ride,
Excellent, as is on-highway handling. Actually it's a surprise how good
it is for an aggressive tire.
noise
They are as quiet as any other aggressive radial I've owned.
, overall opinion
Extremely good traction. The only other tire I'd consider for traction
is the new Goodyear.
If you spend most of your time on pavement (as in daily driver) I think
you'd be happier with a tire like the BFG Mudders though.
Jerry Steele
6060 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 11:19am
Subject: Re: Swamper SSR's ???
All Radial tires have only 2 ply's in the sidewall, except BFG which
have three
if you like weak sidewalls then go for the radial, why not give the
tried and
proven Bais ply a chance ?
Good luck
"r larson" <rlarson73-@a...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6057
> I'm considering the Super Swamper SSR's, curious if anyone is running
> them and what your comments are. Would be interested in estimated
tire
> life, ride, noise, overall opinion, etc.... Thanks
>
6061 From: Matt Barker <azjeeps@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 0:01pm
Subject: Re: Powertrax No-Slip Locker
Where did you order it from? I keep waiting for them to put something up on
the web, but their page has shown Under Construction or something like that
for months. Good price?
Matt B.
94 YJ
http://azjeeps.web.com
Range Riders 4 Wheelers
Arizonal Virtual Jeep Club
6062 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 0:23pm
Subject: Re: Swamper SSR's ???
The SSR's have 6 ply side walls, which is one reason why they're so heavy
(bout 75lbs each on the 35x12.50's).
----- Original Message -----
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To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:19 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Swamper SSR's ???
> All Radial tires have only 2 ply's in the sidewall, except BFG which
> have three
> if you like weak sidewalls then go for the radial, why not give the
> tried and
> proven Bais ply a chance ?
>
> Good luck
>
>
> "r larson" <rlarson73-@a...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=6057
> > I'm considering the Super Swamper SSR's, curious if anyone is running
> > them and what your comments are. Would be interested in estimated
> tire
> > life, ride, noise, overall opinion, etc.... Thanks
> >
>
>
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6063 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 0:24pm
Subject: Chiva Falls/Italian Trap run 3/20
I'm leading a run through Chiva Falls and Italian Trap, (for those who
are not familiar with the location of these trails they are just east
of Tucson in the Rincon Mountains), on Monday, 3/20. Meet at the ABCO
at Tanque Verde and Catalina HWY @ 9:00 AM. Pre-run is Monday, 3/13
meeting at the same time, I expect to head out for the trails about
9:15, we should be back to our meeting spot around 4:00 PM baring any
major problems. Bring lunch and fluids, for yourself and your vehicle
:-). On the 1-5 trail rating scale this is typically a 3.5 to 4, I have
done these in a stock YJ but don't recommend it. For those that don't
feel like driving there are usually seats available to ride if you just
want to site see.
Hal (Wizard)
93YJ
6064 From: Jeff Chapman <jkchapman@u...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 1:04pm
Subject: Newbie
Found the group,signed up,ready to go somewhere!:D
6065 From: UF_RULZ <Scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 1:15pm
Subject: Re: Newbie
Welcome to the club Jeff!
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Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 2:04 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Newbie
> Found the group,signed up,ready to go somewhere!:D
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6066 From: Art Malone <art@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 29, 2000 1:26pm
Subject: Broken Arrow Pix
here's some pic's I took & scanned from broken arrow
www.amcadd.com/malone/jeep/
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Art Malone
AM CADD Services, Inc