blooddrive
01-02-2004, 07:12 PM
5841-5865 of 96466 | Previous | Next [ First | Last ] Msg # Date | Thread
5841 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 2:44pm
Subject: Re: Lift Kits
What type of driving will you be doing? What is the largest size of tires
you see yourself running? What type of money do you plan on spending?
There are budget lifts available but if you are interested in top of the
line then go with a complete system. Tera and RE are generally regarded as
the best.
Keep in mind that with 3" or 4" kits (actually yield 4" & 5" respectively)
you are going to have to deal with driveline vibrations in most cases. 3"
kits are usually ok with a 1" transfer case drop but in turn you loose 1" of
ground clearance. 4" kits start to get a little more complicated when
dealing with vibrations. Often, a Fixed Yoke kit is needed for the transfer
case and in turn, a CV driveshaft is used to combat vibrations. Upper
control arms are usually needed to adjust the pinion angle when installing a
CV driveshaft..... these items will also allow you to keep the transfer case
in the stock position instead of lowering it.
If forced to pick one kit I would choose RE (to save money in the long run).
They do seem to offer kits that are more complete while Tera gets you the
basics and then you can customize from that point (which I have done). Keep
in mind that each companies components differ only in the slightest of
nuances. You will be happy with either.
The suspension on my TJ is made up almost equally of Tera and RE components.
Tera lower control arms
RE upper control arms
Tera Springs
Tera Disco's
RE front trackbar
If I had it to do again I would have went with Tera arms top & bottom and RE
springs at the 4 corners.
You should go on a couple of runs with the group and see each kit in
action... talk to the owners.
Good luck,
Larry
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT
5842 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:20pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Tucson/Catalinas trail 643 info?
Could it be the Southerland(sp) Trail ?
If so it does not got to MT Lemmon any more, it does have a high rated
hill climb before you have to turn around and do the trail in reverse.
"matt barker" <azjeep-@e...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5839
> Any of the Tucson gang want to help this guy out?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Ternes <rternes@u...>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 10:16 PM
> Subject: Tucson/Catalinas trail 643 info?
>
>
> > Yesterday, while poking around behind the Santa Catalinas in
Tucson, I
> > stumbled upon a pretty hairy trail that winds up into the hills from
> Golder
> > Ranch Road.
> >
> > To be sure, this is not the Charouleau Gap road, which heads ENE
into the
> > hills from roughly the same area. The trail I drove is past Anvil
Ranch on
> > Golder Ranch road, after it loses pavement, and dips briefly into
Catalina
> > State Park, before hitting a power line and swiftly snaking up into
the
> > mountains. It climbs quickly, and is dotted with a number of pretty
> precarious
> > obstacles and rock gardens. It is marked Trail 643 and closely
passes
> Golder
> > Dome, a pretty identifiable triangular dome of white granite on the
north
> side
> > of the trail. It appears to head towards Romero Pass (?!?!?!?), or
> basically
> > the point where Pusch Ridge (on which Table Mountain is located)
> intersects
> > with the rest of the Catalina complex.
> >
> > There is an ancient metal sign on the trail which shows the Mt.
Lemmon
> highway
> > as being approximately 10 miles up the road.
> >
> > Anyway, has anyone done this trail? Is it passable? Where does it
go, if
> > anywhere?
> >
> > The trail is not on my topo, and I have searched all of the online
sources
> for
> > information. I thought if anyone here has attempted it, maybe they
would
> not
> > mind sharing some information. Thanks in advance for any replies.
> >
> > Bob Ternes
> > rternes@u...
> > 94zjV8 w/ newfound tolerance for rolling.
> >
>
5843 From: Damon Ruiz <dmr90@g...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:31pm
Subject: More on the Coves / Ford is out!
Well everyone we did it again! The Ford is out and with little or no
problem at all. Now we are getting all the problems from the people
who own the truck to begin with. For some reason they think what we do
is really easy and there was no reason to even winch the vehicle to
begin with. The only thing I hate about this job is is doing tows or
4x4 extracts without the customer there. Every time I have done a 4x4
extract with the customer along there was never any problem with the
bill at all. They were there first hand to see what we did and had no
problem paying what we asked. Waaaaaaaaayyyyyy!!! Waaaaayyyyyyy!
Enough crying for now. Any way that is the report on the Ford. Good
luck to everyone and remember All Pro Towing in Fountain Hills. (480)
837-7488 A 20% discount to every AZVJC Member!!
Damon Ruiz White 89 YJ
5844 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:46pm
Subject: Re: Anyone have a spare AMC 20 Rear Axle laying around?
try AZ Trailwerks. ive seen a bunch laying arond in their yard. if they
cant help you try 4x4 recyclers or AMC Salvage. you should be able to
get them pretty cheap.
Joey
"joe west" <joefwes-@h...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5822
> Hello Everyone,
>
> In my effort to upgrade to 5 on 5.5" wheels; I have discovered that I
need
> the rear brake assemblies (including drums) from an AMC 20 rear axle.
Does
> anyone have one of these laying around?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________ ____
5845 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:55pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
i dont understand where everyone is getting the $1500 quotes from for
the R&P swap. am i missing something??? R&P's + carriers(if needed) =
$550. labor cant be more than $350. someone is getting ripped off i
think. i dunno. can someone explain this to me please???
Joey
scott kruize <osmt-@y...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5831
>
> Two choices come to mind. A ring and pinion swap to 4.11's will run
about $1500 installed. If you don't mind your current gearing for the
street then I'd opt for the Teralow kit which reduces the low range in
your t-case from 2.72:1 to 4:1. The kit is about $900 and from what
I've heard it's not difficult to drop the t-case and replace the front
half with the Teralow.
>
>
>
> Scott Kruize
>
>
5846 From: Leonard Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 4:16pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
Labor is $250-$300 per end. Gears are about $150 per end if you buy them
mail order and higher if you buy in town. That brings you to about $900
without any other upgrades. I do agreee that $1500 is on the high side
unless you are factoring in lockers at the same time. F&R Detroits
would run an additional about $800.
joey wrote:
>
> i dont understand where everyone is getting the $1500 quotes from for
> the R&P swap. am i missing something??? R&P's + carriers(if needed) =
> $550. labor cant be more than $350. someone is getting ripped off i
> think. i dunno. can someone explain this to me please???
>
> Joey
>
> scott kruize <osmt-@y...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5831
> >
> > Two choices come to mind. A ring and pinion swap to 4.11's will run
> about $1500 installed. If you don't mind your current gearing for the
> street then I'd opt for the Teralow kit which reduces the low range in
> your t-case from 2.72:1 to 4:1. The kit is about $900 and from what
> I've heard it's not difficult to drop the t-case and replace the front
> half with the Teralow.
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott Kruize
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as 0.0%
> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points,
> no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit
> you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/914/4/_/1966/_/951177952/
>
> -- Check out your group's private Chat room
> -- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
5847 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 11:41am
Subject: Re: lower gears
labor rates are running about 250/axle =500
r&p 125/axle -250-300
than if you need new carriers (i do)
than if you are going to tear apart both axles you may as well do all the
bearings and seals and be done with the whole thing.
around 1500 sounds about right. however, Iam going to find a book and learn
how to do this my self. maybe even make a little extra money giving my fellow
JEEPERS SMOKING deals on gear swaps.
Speaking of good deals, Iam a certified locksmith, so if any body has trouble
with their locks, ignitions, or keys, just drop me a line.
Steve
5848 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 11:59am
Subject: Re: lower gears
THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
STEVE
5849 From: Leonard Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 5:06pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
No neeed to SHOUT!!
Detroits are $380-$450 each so $800 for two is in the correct range in
my experience. If you know were to get Detroit lockers (not ez lockers)
for $300 each I would love to know.
BA914@a... wrote:
>
> THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
>
> STEVE
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
5850 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 5:17pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
well what i was talking about is a rear detroit hard locker and a front
lockrite amounting to almost $700
Joey
ba91-@a... wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5848
> THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
>
> STEVE
5851 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 5:34pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
I was just quoted $2400 for a gear change front and rear plus ARB's in both
diffs..... minus the compressor. That was for my new 2000 TJ so bearings &
seals shouldnt be needed.
I also got a quote of $1100 to do both front and rear r&p's in my CJ7's
axles.... this included new bearings/seals.
Both quotes came from 4wheelers supply.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
To: <BA914@a...>
Cc: <monosyllabicguy@w...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
> No neeed to SHOUT!!
>
> Detroits are $380-$450 each so $800 for two is in the correct range in
> my experience. If you know were to get Detroit lockers (not ez lockers)
> for $300 each I would love to know.
>
> BA914@a... wrote:
> >
> > THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
> >
> > STEVE
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE
> Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services
> online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check
> out Shabang!com FREE eStores!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/4/_/1966/_/951181736/
>
> -- Create a poll/survey for your group!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
5852 From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:09pm
Subject: SOA brakeline length?
Hi VJers --
I'm looking for approximate front brake line length for a CJ SOA setup.
I could guess, but if someone has widetrack axles with Wrangler
springs, a ballpark measurement would be appreciated. Without
brakes/dshafts, my CJ is in no position to run up a ramp to get a good
measurement. Also, I could use any recommendations on a place to find
decent prices.
Another question ... Are the steel braided lines worth the $$$? I only
want to do brake lines once.
TIA,
Jeff
5853 From: <dirtdog@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:37pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
Larry,
Don't skimp on the seals! They will have to drag the axles past the seal at least twice while doing the swap and if you don't replace them why would a shop warrant leaky seals? I would also put new bearings, You will be paying shop rate labor for the removal of the old bearings of the old carriers and they putting used bearings on brand new carriers just to save $200 ish.
I trust 4 wheelers supply they have done many things for me and always have been great.
Bernie
Larry Maggio wrote:
I was just quoted $2400 for a gear change front and rear plus ARB's in both
diffs..... minus the compressor. That was for my new 2000 TJ so bearings &
seals shouldnt be needed.
I also got a quote of $1100 to do both front and rear r&p's in my CJ7's
axles.... this included new bearings/seals.
Both quotes came from 4wheelers supply.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard Pennock
To:
Cc: ;
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
> No neeed to SHOUT!!
>
> Detroits are $380-$450 each so $800 for two is in the correct range in
> my experience. If you know were to get Detroit lockers (not ez lockers)
> for $300 each I would love to know.
>
> BA914@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
> >
> > STEVE
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE
> Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services
> online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check
> out Shabang!com FREE eStores!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/4/_/1966/_/951181736/
>
> -- Create a poll/survey for your group!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of learning online.
SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on your time,
in your space. Join for FREE today!
http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951182802/
-- Check out your group's private Chat room
-- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
5854 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:23pm
Subject: Re: SOA brakeline length?
Good questions Jeff. I am getting ready to do spring over on
my 84 CJ. I will let you know on any brilliant findings. I
am not going with Wrangler axles but it should be close
otherwise.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:09 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] SOA brakeline length?
> Hi VJers --
>
> I'm looking for approximate front brake line length for a
CJ SOA setup.
> I could guess, but if someone has widetrack axles with
Wrangler
> springs, a ballpark measurement would be appreciated.
Without
> brakes/dshafts, my CJ is in no position to run up a ramp
to get a good
> measurement. Also, I could use any recommendations on a
place to find
> decent prices.
>
> Another question ... Are the steel braided lines worth the
$$$? I only
> want to do brake lines once.
>
> TIA,
> Jeff
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
--------------
> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as
2.9%
> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/915/4/_/1966/_/951185435/
>
> -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group
calendar!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
5855 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:30pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
Larry, I have the Teralow in my CJ and it is great. My highway performance is the same but I now have MUCH lower crawl rates. But, now that I am going to 35+ on tires and a spring over, we will be getting rid of my silly 3.3 R-P gears and going to 4.56's and some type of locker in the rear.
I think you can get the Teralow installed for only $250 at 4 Wheelers. That is a deal, we did it and it went great but I had expert help, Bill.
Ross Skinner
----- Original Message -----
From: dirtdog@uswest.net
To: 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:37 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
Larry,
Don't skimp on the seals! They will have to drag the axles past the seal at least twice while doing the swap and if you don't replace them why would a shop warrant leaky seals? I would also put new bearings, You will be paying shop rate labor for the removal of the old bearings of the old carriers and they putting used bearings on brand new carriers just to save $200 ish.
I trust 4 wheelers supply they have done many things for me and always have been great.
Bernie
Larry Maggio wrote:
I was just quoted $2400 for a gear change front and rear plus ARB's in both
diffs..... minus the compressor. That was for my new 2000 TJ so bearings &
seals shouldnt be needed.
I also got a quote of $1100 to do both front and rear r&p's in my CJ7's
axles.... this included new bearings/seals.
Both quotes came from 4wheelers supply.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard Pennock
To:
Cc: ;
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
> No neeed to SHOUT!!
>
> Detroits are $380-$450 each so $800 for two is in the correct range in
> my experience. If you know were to get Detroit lockers (not ez lockers)
> for $300 each I would love to know.
>
> BA914@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
> >
> > STEVE
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE
> Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services
> online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check
> out Shabang!com FREE eStores!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/4/_/1966/_/951181736/
>
> -- Create a poll/survey for your group!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of learning online.
SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on your time,
in your space. Join for FREE today!
http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951182802/
-- Check out your group's private Chat room
-- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc
www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
5856 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:53pm
Subject: Re: Front Tubular Bumper for Sale
All,
I just bought & installed this similar bumper in my ZJ
and would love to show to anyone who is interested in
it. Couple mods, such as, new bolt holes & sheet
metal cutting, are required in order to secure it into
the ZJ. It's look pretty cool especially with a pair
of KC 100K watt lights, too me, so just let me know
if you want to check it out.
Tom
'94 ZJ
--- Linda Luik <p14175@e...> wrote:
> Who is the manufacturer? I already have a good front
> bumpr on my ZJ, but I
> know people who are interested in tube bumpers that
> will fit ZJs. I didn't
> know anyone was making them!
>
> Linda
> 93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock
>
> Kevin Fell wrote:
> >
> > Hi all:
> > I am selling a front Tube Bumper that is
> powdercoated black and has
> > never been mounted. The tubing is thicker than
> normal, I am told, and
> > includes a grill guard that is welded with 1/4"
> steel plate with light
> > tabs. I am at 19th Ave and Northern, and will
> show it anytime to
> > anyone who is interested. It was built for an XJ,
> but will also fit a
> > ZJ or whatever you have that is a similar size.
> It's a good deal, so
> > e-mail me if you are interested at
> kevin.fell@b....
> >
> >
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Looking for the best new sites on the Web?
> eTour.com is a FREE
> > service that brings great websites right to you -
> matched to your
> > own unique interests. It's like having a personal
> remote control
> > for the Internet!
> >
>
http://click.egroups.com/1/1675/4/_/1966/_/951155653/
> >
> > eGroups.com Home:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/
> > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group
> communications
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! Rates as
> low as 2.9%
> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers,
> Rewards Points,
> no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today
> and get the
> credit youdeserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa
> at:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/912/4/_/1966/_/951157077/
>
> -- Check out your group's private Chat room
> --
> http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
>
> > begin: vcard
> fn: Linda Luik
> n: Luik;Linda
> org: Motorola SPS
> adr;dom: ;;2200 W. Broadway Road maildrop:
> M555;Mesa;Arizona;85202;
> email;internet: p14175@e...
> title: SPS IT-CIM Regional VMS Systems
> Adminstrator
> tel;work: 6026554432 pager 18887725230
> tel;fax: 602553569
> tel;home:
> x-mozilla-cpt: ;0
> x-mozilla-html: FALSE
> version: 2.1
> end: vcard
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://im.yahoo.com
5857 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:07pm
Subject: Re: FW: Directions to Broken Arrow
I am thinking about joining you guys on this run but
don't recall which day is it on. Is it going to be
the upcoming Saturday (2/26)? Please advise.
Thanks,
Tom
--- Eric Herring <herring@u...> wrote:
> Getting to the trail is easy, just get off of I17 on
> the first Sedona exit
> and go West until you see the broken arrow sign on
> the right. Turn at the
> sign and follow the road to a dirt parking lot at
> the end. I may just meet
> everyone at the trail head But let me know if anyone
> is planning a convoy.
> Does anyone mind some non-Jeeps tagging along? Do we
> have a meeting time
> yet?
>
> See you there,
> Eric Herring 92XJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James A Langdon [mailto:yucca-man@j...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 1:37 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Directions to Broken Arrow
>
>
> Okay,
>
> One of the new members pointed out that I am not
> keeping up with the
> website with a 30-minute turnaround on updates. <G>
> One run that I have
> listed as upcoming is a Feb 26 run to Broken Arrow,
> but I have (again)
> lost the directions. Who is leading this run, and
> what are the
> directions for Broken Arrow and for the meeting
> spot? Is there any
> interest in having a convoy from the East Valley?
>
> Jim Yucca-man@j...
> Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
> http://azvjc.web.com
> 89 Cherokee (RIP) 73 CJ5 (RIP)
>
> When they took the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet
> because I didn't deal
> drugs.
> When they took the Fifth Amendment, I was quiet
> because I was innocent.
> When they took the Second Amendment, I was quiet
> because I didn't own a
> gun.
> Now they've taken the First Amendment and I can't
> say anything.
>
__________________________________________________ ______________
> YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
> Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
> Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE
> software, visit:
> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as
> low as 2.9%
> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply
> NOW!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/915/4/_/1966/_/951036429/
>
> -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document
> Vault
> -- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/az_vjc/?m=1
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of
> learning online.
> SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on
> your time,
> in your space. Join for FREE today!
>
http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951077477/
>
> -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the
> group calendar!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://im.yahoo.com
5858 From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:08pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
New Gear sets F&R, and Detroits F&R... I'm at 3.73 now, so I'd need new
Carriers to go lower. I figure $1500 as a fair guesstimate for
everything plus labor. MIKE
joey wrote:
>
> de slug <mschwit-@u...> wrote:
> who did you get a quote from for your regearing??? on my CJ i can
> regear for about $600-$700. whoever quoted you $1500 is trying to rip
> you off.
>
> Joey
>
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5820
> > A transmission with a granny low may be a good option. For instance,
> in
> > My YJ It would cost about $1500 to swap in a 4 speed, with AA adapters
> > to the motor and Tcase. I'm looking at the same price to re-gear. When
> > the time (money) comes, I'll be Keeping my relatively tall 3.73s, and
> > swapping in an NP435. Depending on your motor, Tcase, and what tranny
> > you swap in, you may not need bellhousing and tcase adapters like I do
> > If I keep my 4.0. MIKE
> >
> > Jon Loveless wrote:
> > >
> > > Now that I have 33" tires I notice the higher gear ratio when in
> low-low
> > > and crawling. Can someone give me an idea of the best (and
> cheapest) ways
> > > to lower at least my first Low gearing? Cheap is good right now.
> (Doug - I
> > > figure you have the answer here.) I don't know what my current
> ration is
> > > nor how to tell what it is, either.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Jon Loveless
> > > =================
> > > Jon Loveless
> > > Convenient P&C Group
> > > (610) 521-6066
> > > =================
> > >
>
>
5859 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:39pm
Subject: Re: FW: Directions to Broken Arrow
Tom,
It would be good to have you along. This coming saturday it is. Meeting at
carefree & I17 and departing at 8:30am. If there is rain or snow on the
ground it could add to the pucker factor.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
To: <herring@u...>; Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (E-mail)
<AZ_VJC@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 8:07 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: Directions to Broken Arrow
> I am thinking about joining you guys on this run but
> don't recall which day is it on. Is it going to be
> the upcoming Saturday (2/26)? Please advise.
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> --- Eric Herring <herring@u...> wrote:
> > Getting to the trail is easy, just get off of I17 on
> > the first Sedona exit
> > and go West until you see the broken arrow sign on
> > the right. Turn at the
> > sign and follow the road to a dirt parking lot at
> > the end. I may just meet
> > everyone at the trail head But let me know if anyone
> > is planning a convoy.
> > Does anyone mind some non-Jeeps tagging along? Do we
> > have a meeting time
> > yet?
> >
> > See you there,
> > Eric Herring 92XJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James A Langdon [mailto:yucca-man@j...]
> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 1:37 AM
> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Directions to Broken Arrow
> >
> >
> > Okay,
> >
> > One of the new members pointed out that I am not
> > keeping up with the
> > website with a 30-minute turnaround on updates. <G>
> > One run that I have
> > listed as upcoming is a Feb 26 run to Broken Arrow,
> > but I have (again)
> > lost the directions. Who is leading this run, and
> > what are the
> > directions for Broken Arrow and for the meeting
> > spot? Is there any
> > interest in having a convoy from the East Valley?
> >
> > Jim Yucca-man@j...
> > Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
> > http://azvjc.web.com
> > 89 Cherokee (RIP) 73 CJ5 (RIP)
> >
> > When they took the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet
> > because I didn't deal
> > drugs.
> > When they took the Fifth Amendment, I was quiet
> > because I was innocent.
> > When they took the Second Amendment, I was quiet
> > because I didn't own a
> > gun.
> > Now they've taken the First Amendment and I can't
> > say anything.
> >
> __________________________________________________ ______________
> > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
> > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
> > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE
> > software, visit:
> > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as
> > low as 2.9%
> > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply
> > NOW!
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/915/4/_/1966/_/951036429/
> >
> > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document
> > Vault
> > -- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/az_vjc/?m=1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of
> > learning online.
> > SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on
> > your time,
> > in your space. Join for FREE today!
> >
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951077477/
> >
> > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the
> > group calendar!
> > -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=az_vjc&m=1
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> http://im.yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as 0.0%
> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points,
> no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit
> you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/914/4/_/1966/_/951188852/
>
> -- Check out your group's private Chat room
> -- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
5860 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:40pm
Subject: Re: SOA brakeline length?
I think most guys go with Blazer lines..... I'll check into it and report
specifics.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
To: azvjc <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: SOA brakeline length?
> Good questions Jeff. I am getting ready to do spring over on
> my 84 CJ. I will let you know on any brilliant findings. I
> am not going with Wrangler axles but it should be close
> otherwise.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
> To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:09 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] SOA brakeline length?
>
>
> > Hi VJers --
> >
> > I'm looking for approximate front brake line length for a
> CJ SOA setup.
> > I could guess, but if someone has widetrack axles with
> Wrangler
> > springs, a ballpark measurement would be appreciated.
> Without
> > brakes/dshafts, my CJ is in no position to run up a ramp
> to get a good
> > measurement. Also, I could use any recommendations on a
> place to find
> > decent prices.
> >
> > Another question ... Are the steel braided lines worth the
> $$$? I only
> > want to do brake lines once.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> --------------
> > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as
> 2.9%
> > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW!
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/915/4/_/1966/_/951185435/
> >
> > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group
> calendar!
> > -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=az_vjc&m=1
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates
> as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees.
> Apply NOW!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/967/4/_/1966/_/951186377/
>
> -- Talk to your group with your own voice!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/VoiceChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
5861 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:37pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
Well - there are 2 ways to go - expensive and more expensive. With 33's, a
4.10 ring/pinion in the diffs will bring you back to stock gearing. If you
want lower gears and/or you plan on larger tires later, than 4.56 would be
your best bet. AND if your thinking lockers - now is the time to do it,
since there's no additional labor involved.
The most expensive route would be to do a Tera Low or Atlas Transfer Case.
Of course, the best thing is to do both a r/p swap and a t-case change. But
this route is very expensive - so you may really want to just look at a r/p
swap.
As far as what you have now, if you call your trusty - dusty Jeep dealer and
give them your VIN#, they'll be able to tell you what your gearing is. A
quicker way is to look at your rear diff...there should be a metal tab
attached to one of the diff cover bolts...and that should have your gear
info on it.
Happy Trails
Doug
How does your Jeep do on the road in high range? If it's dogging it, then
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:01 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] lower gears
> Now that I have 33" tires I notice the higher gear ratio when in low-low
> and crawling. Can someone give me an idea of the best (and cheapest) ways
> to lower at least my first Low gearing? Cheap is good right now. (Doug - I
> figure you have the answer here.) I don't know what my current ration is
> nor how to tell what it is, either.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jon Loveless
> =================
> Jon Loveless
> Convenient P&C Group
> (610) 521-6066
> =================
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of learning online.
> SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on your time,
> in your space. Join for FREE today!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951138194/
>
> -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
5862 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:49pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
I wouldnt skimp on the seals... we both agreed to factor in another $100 for those items. Im not sure what Im going to do with the TJ.... I'll probably sell it in a year when my CJ is done.
Ross,
I was probably going to install the 4:1 kit myself. I have the time to do it as the CJ is nowhere close to being done. Im also going SOA and 35's..... need to find a Wagoneer front D44 first. Right now it has the dreaded 3:31 ratio.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner
To: azvjc
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
Larry, I have the Teralow in my CJ and it is great. My highway performance is the same but I now have MUCH lower crawl rates. But, now that I am going to 35+ on tires and a spring over, we will be getting rid of my silly 3.3 R-P gears and going to 4.56's and some type of locker in the rear.
I think you can get the Teralow installed for only $250 at 4 Wheelers. That is a deal, we did it and it went great but I had expert help, Bill.
Ross Skinner
----- Original Message -----
From: dirtdog@uswest.net
To: 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:37 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
Larry,
Don't skimp on the seals! They will have to drag the axles past the seal at least twice while doing the swap and if you don't replace them why would a shop warrant leaky seals? I would also put new bearings, You will be paying shop rate labor for the removal of the old bearings of the old carriers and they putting used bearings on brand new carriers just to save $200 ish.
I trust 4 wheelers supply they have done many things for me and always have been great.
Bernie
Larry Maggio wrote:
I was just quoted $2400 for a gear change front and rear plus ARB's in both
diffs..... minus the compressor. That was for my new 2000 TJ so bearings &
seals shouldnt be needed.
I also got a quote of $1100 to do both front and rear r&p's in my CJ7's
axles.... this included new bearings/seals.
Both quotes came from 4wheelers supply.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard Pennock
To:
Cc: ;
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
> No neeed to SHOUT!!
>
> Detroits are $380-$450 each so $800 for two is in the correct range in
> my experience. If you know were to get Detroit lockers (not ez lockers)
> for $300 each I would love to know.
>
> BA914@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
> >
> > STEVE
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE
> Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services
> online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check
> out Shabang!com FREE eStores!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/4/_/1966/_/951181736/
>
> -- Create a poll/survey for your group!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of learning online.
SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on your time,
in your space. Join for FREE today!
http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951182802/
-- Check out your group's private Chat room
-- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc
www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Click here to find out more about Jaguar pre-owned automobiles.
eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc
www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
5863 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 2:51pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
Hey Doug
what is your opinion on ring and pinion swap.
Including: r&p, carriers/lockers, seals and bearings.
Just a rough est. would be fine.
Steve
5864 From: John Doe <jeepboy50@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:53pm
Subject: Re: Lift Kits
actually for the money a 4 inch explorer pro comp is better since rubicon
uses pro comp springs
jake
99 tj
__________________________________________________ ____
5865 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:46pm
Subject: Re: Lift Kits
One nice thing about the Tera 3" system - is that Tera has a very good trade
up program if you want to go w/ there 4" lift later. One thing to remember
in choosing lists is that a 4" lift will most certainly necessitate a SYE
and CV drive shaft (mo money).
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
To: <dsoutwest@e...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 10:23 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Lift Kits
> I purchased the new TerraFlex 3"system from OffRoad Unlimited, They have a
> store on Broadway in Mesa and Raintree in Scottsdale. TerraFlex makes a
> 3"lift kit and a 3"lift system. The lift system includes disconnects (the
> new ones), steering skid plate and the stuff in the rear (?) also. They
> have the same options for a 4" also. The 3 inch installed will take
> 33x12.50 with no problem and with an additional 1" body lift (cheap) you
> can go to 35x15 some day. OffRoad Unlimited will do the 3"system for about
> $1300-1500 installed.
>
> Jon
>
> At 08:45 AM 2/21/00 -0800, Dale M. Schuler wrote:
> >I am starting to do research on the best lift kit to put on my 2000 TJ.
> >what is better? A 3" or 4" kit and who has the best for the price. I am
> >not mechancially inclined so will have someone else do it. Who locally
is
> >good at it? Thanks in advance for you remarks.
> >
> >
>
> =================
> Jon Loveless
> Convenient P&C Group
> (610) 521-6066
> =================
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Looking for the best new sites on the Web? eTour.com is a FREE
> service that brings great websites right to you - matched to your
> own unique interests. It's like having a personal remote control
> for the Internet!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1675/4/_/1966/_/951153854/
>
> -- Check out your group's private Chat room
> -- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
5841 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 2:44pm
Subject: Re: Lift Kits
What type of driving will you be doing? What is the largest size of tires
you see yourself running? What type of money do you plan on spending?
There are budget lifts available but if you are interested in top of the
line then go with a complete system. Tera and RE are generally regarded as
the best.
Keep in mind that with 3" or 4" kits (actually yield 4" & 5" respectively)
you are going to have to deal with driveline vibrations in most cases. 3"
kits are usually ok with a 1" transfer case drop but in turn you loose 1" of
ground clearance. 4" kits start to get a little more complicated when
dealing with vibrations. Often, a Fixed Yoke kit is needed for the transfer
case and in turn, a CV driveshaft is used to combat vibrations. Upper
control arms are usually needed to adjust the pinion angle when installing a
CV driveshaft..... these items will also allow you to keep the transfer case
in the stock position instead of lowering it.
If forced to pick one kit I would choose RE (to save money in the long run).
They do seem to offer kits that are more complete while Tera gets you the
basics and then you can customize from that point (which I have done). Keep
in mind that each companies components differ only in the slightest of
nuances. You will be happy with either.
The suspension on my TJ is made up almost equally of Tera and RE components.
Tera lower control arms
RE upper control arms
Tera Springs
Tera Disco's
RE front trackbar
If I had it to do again I would have went with Tera arms top & bottom and RE
springs at the 4 corners.
You should go on a couple of runs with the group and see each kit in
action... talk to the owners.
Good luck,
Larry
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT
5842 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:20pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Tucson/Catalinas trail 643 info?
Could it be the Southerland(sp) Trail ?
If so it does not got to MT Lemmon any more, it does have a high rated
hill climb before you have to turn around and do the trail in reverse.
"matt barker" <azjeep-@e...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5839
> Any of the Tucson gang want to help this guy out?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Ternes <rternes@u...>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 10:16 PM
> Subject: Tucson/Catalinas trail 643 info?
>
>
> > Yesterday, while poking around behind the Santa Catalinas in
Tucson, I
> > stumbled upon a pretty hairy trail that winds up into the hills from
> Golder
> > Ranch Road.
> >
> > To be sure, this is not the Charouleau Gap road, which heads ENE
into the
> > hills from roughly the same area. The trail I drove is past Anvil
Ranch on
> > Golder Ranch road, after it loses pavement, and dips briefly into
Catalina
> > State Park, before hitting a power line and swiftly snaking up into
the
> > mountains. It climbs quickly, and is dotted with a number of pretty
> precarious
> > obstacles and rock gardens. It is marked Trail 643 and closely
passes
> Golder
> > Dome, a pretty identifiable triangular dome of white granite on the
north
> side
> > of the trail. It appears to head towards Romero Pass (?!?!?!?), or
> basically
> > the point where Pusch Ridge (on which Table Mountain is located)
> intersects
> > with the rest of the Catalina complex.
> >
> > There is an ancient metal sign on the trail which shows the Mt.
Lemmon
> highway
> > as being approximately 10 miles up the road.
> >
> > Anyway, has anyone done this trail? Is it passable? Where does it
go, if
> > anywhere?
> >
> > The trail is not on my topo, and I have searched all of the online
sources
> for
> > information. I thought if anyone here has attempted it, maybe they
would
> not
> > mind sharing some information. Thanks in advance for any replies.
> >
> > Bob Ternes
> > rternes@u...
> > 94zjV8 w/ newfound tolerance for rolling.
> >
>
5843 From: Damon Ruiz <dmr90@g...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:31pm
Subject: More on the Coves / Ford is out!
Well everyone we did it again! The Ford is out and with little or no
problem at all. Now we are getting all the problems from the people
who own the truck to begin with. For some reason they think what we do
is really easy and there was no reason to even winch the vehicle to
begin with. The only thing I hate about this job is is doing tows or
4x4 extracts without the customer there. Every time I have done a 4x4
extract with the customer along there was never any problem with the
bill at all. They were there first hand to see what we did and had no
problem paying what we asked. Waaaaaaaaayyyyyy!!! Waaaaayyyyyyy!
Enough crying for now. Any way that is the report on the Ford. Good
luck to everyone and remember All Pro Towing in Fountain Hills. (480)
837-7488 A 20% discount to every AZVJC Member!!
Damon Ruiz White 89 YJ
5844 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:46pm
Subject: Re: Anyone have a spare AMC 20 Rear Axle laying around?
try AZ Trailwerks. ive seen a bunch laying arond in their yard. if they
cant help you try 4x4 recyclers or AMC Salvage. you should be able to
get them pretty cheap.
Joey
"joe west" <joefwes-@h...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5822
> Hello Everyone,
>
> In my effort to upgrade to 5 on 5.5" wheels; I have discovered that I
need
> the rear brake assemblies (including drums) from an AMC 20 rear axle.
Does
> anyone have one of these laying around?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________ ____
5845 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 3:55pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
i dont understand where everyone is getting the $1500 quotes from for
the R&P swap. am i missing something??? R&P's + carriers(if needed) =
$550. labor cant be more than $350. someone is getting ripped off i
think. i dunno. can someone explain this to me please???
Joey
scott kruize <osmt-@y...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5831
>
> Two choices come to mind. A ring and pinion swap to 4.11's will run
about $1500 installed. If you don't mind your current gearing for the
street then I'd opt for the Teralow kit which reduces the low range in
your t-case from 2.72:1 to 4:1. The kit is about $900 and from what
I've heard it's not difficult to drop the t-case and replace the front
half with the Teralow.
>
>
>
> Scott Kruize
>
>
5846 From: Leonard Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 4:16pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
Labor is $250-$300 per end. Gears are about $150 per end if you buy them
mail order and higher if you buy in town. That brings you to about $900
without any other upgrades. I do agreee that $1500 is on the high side
unless you are factoring in lockers at the same time. F&R Detroits
would run an additional about $800.
joey wrote:
>
> i dont understand where everyone is getting the $1500 quotes from for
> the R&P swap. am i missing something??? R&P's + carriers(if needed) =
> $550. labor cant be more than $350. someone is getting ripped off i
> think. i dunno. can someone explain this to me please???
>
> Joey
>
> scott kruize <osmt-@y...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5831
> >
> > Two choices come to mind. A ring and pinion swap to 4.11's will run
> about $1500 installed. If you don't mind your current gearing for the
> street then I'd opt for the Teralow kit which reduces the low range in
> your t-case from 2.72:1 to 4:1. The kit is about $900 and from what
> I've heard it's not difficult to drop the t-case and replace the front
> half with the Teralow.
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott Kruize
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as 0.0%
> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points,
> no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit
> you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/914/4/_/1966/_/951177952/
>
> -- Check out your group's private Chat room
> -- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
5847 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 11:41am
Subject: Re: lower gears
labor rates are running about 250/axle =500
r&p 125/axle -250-300
than if you need new carriers (i do)
than if you are going to tear apart both axles you may as well do all the
bearings and seals and be done with the whole thing.
around 1500 sounds about right. however, Iam going to find a book and learn
how to do this my self. maybe even make a little extra money giving my fellow
JEEPERS SMOKING deals on gear swaps.
Speaking of good deals, Iam a certified locksmith, so if any body has trouble
with their locks, ignitions, or keys, just drop me a line.
Steve
5848 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 11:59am
Subject: Re: lower gears
THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
STEVE
5849 From: Leonard Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 5:06pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
No neeed to SHOUT!!
Detroits are $380-$450 each so $800 for two is in the correct range in
my experience. If you know were to get Detroit lockers (not ez lockers)
for $300 each I would love to know.
BA914@a... wrote:
>
> THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
>
> STEVE
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
5850 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 5:17pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
well what i was talking about is a rear detroit hard locker and a front
lockrite amounting to almost $700
Joey
ba91-@a... wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5848
> THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
>
> STEVE
5851 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 5:34pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
I was just quoted $2400 for a gear change front and rear plus ARB's in both
diffs..... minus the compressor. That was for my new 2000 TJ so bearings &
seals shouldnt be needed.
I also got a quote of $1100 to do both front and rear r&p's in my CJ7's
axles.... this included new bearings/seals.
Both quotes came from 4wheelers supply.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
To: <BA914@a...>
Cc: <monosyllabicguy@w...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
> No neeed to SHOUT!!
>
> Detroits are $380-$450 each so $800 for two is in the correct range in
> my experience. If you know were to get Detroit lockers (not ez lockers)
> for $300 each I would love to know.
>
> BA914@a... wrote:
> >
> > THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
> >
> > STEVE
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE
> Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services
> online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check
> out Shabang!com FREE eStores!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/4/_/1966/_/951181736/
>
> -- Create a poll/survey for your group!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
5852 From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:09pm
Subject: SOA brakeline length?
Hi VJers --
I'm looking for approximate front brake line length for a CJ SOA setup.
I could guess, but if someone has widetrack axles with Wrangler
springs, a ballpark measurement would be appreciated. Without
brakes/dshafts, my CJ is in no position to run up a ramp to get a good
measurement. Also, I could use any recommendations on a place to find
decent prices.
Another question ... Are the steel braided lines worth the $$$? I only
want to do brake lines once.
TIA,
Jeff
5853 From: <dirtdog@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:37pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
Larry,
Don't skimp on the seals! They will have to drag the axles past the seal at least twice while doing the swap and if you don't replace them why would a shop warrant leaky seals? I would also put new bearings, You will be paying shop rate labor for the removal of the old bearings of the old carriers and they putting used bearings on brand new carriers just to save $200 ish.
I trust 4 wheelers supply they have done many things for me and always have been great.
Bernie
Larry Maggio wrote:
I was just quoted $2400 for a gear change front and rear plus ARB's in both
diffs..... minus the compressor. That was for my new 2000 TJ so bearings &
seals shouldnt be needed.
I also got a quote of $1100 to do both front and rear r&p's in my CJ7's
axles.... this included new bearings/seals.
Both quotes came from 4wheelers supply.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard Pennock
To:
Cc: ;
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
> No neeed to SHOUT!!
>
> Detroits are $380-$450 each so $800 for two is in the correct range in
> my experience. If you know were to get Detroit lockers (not ez lockers)
> for $300 each I would love to know.
>
> BA914@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
> >
> > STEVE
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE
> Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services
> online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check
> out Shabang!com FREE eStores!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/4/_/1966/_/951181736/
>
> -- Create a poll/survey for your group!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of learning online.
SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on your time,
in your space. Join for FREE today!
http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951182802/
-- Check out your group's private Chat room
-- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
5854 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:23pm
Subject: Re: SOA brakeline length?
Good questions Jeff. I am getting ready to do spring over on
my 84 CJ. I will let you know on any brilliant findings. I
am not going with Wrangler axles but it should be close
otherwise.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:09 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] SOA brakeline length?
> Hi VJers --
>
> I'm looking for approximate front brake line length for a
CJ SOA setup.
> I could guess, but if someone has widetrack axles with
Wrangler
> springs, a ballpark measurement would be appreciated.
Without
> brakes/dshafts, my CJ is in no position to run up a ramp
to get a good
> measurement. Also, I could use any recommendations on a
place to find
> decent prices.
>
> Another question ... Are the steel braided lines worth the
$$$? I only
> want to do brake lines once.
>
> TIA,
> Jeff
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
--------------
> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as
2.9%
> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/915/4/_/1966/_/951185435/
>
> -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group
calendar!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
5855 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:30pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
Larry, I have the Teralow in my CJ and it is great. My highway performance is the same but I now have MUCH lower crawl rates. But, now that I am going to 35+ on tires and a spring over, we will be getting rid of my silly 3.3 R-P gears and going to 4.56's and some type of locker in the rear.
I think you can get the Teralow installed for only $250 at 4 Wheelers. That is a deal, we did it and it went great but I had expert help, Bill.
Ross Skinner
----- Original Message -----
From: dirtdog@uswest.net
To: 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:37 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
Larry,
Don't skimp on the seals! They will have to drag the axles past the seal at least twice while doing the swap and if you don't replace them why would a shop warrant leaky seals? I would also put new bearings, You will be paying shop rate labor for the removal of the old bearings of the old carriers and they putting used bearings on brand new carriers just to save $200 ish.
I trust 4 wheelers supply they have done many things for me and always have been great.
Bernie
Larry Maggio wrote:
I was just quoted $2400 for a gear change front and rear plus ARB's in both
diffs..... minus the compressor. That was for my new 2000 TJ so bearings &
seals shouldnt be needed.
I also got a quote of $1100 to do both front and rear r&p's in my CJ7's
axles.... this included new bearings/seals.
Both quotes came from 4wheelers supply.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard Pennock
To:
Cc: ;
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
> No neeed to SHOUT!!
>
> Detroits are $380-$450 each so $800 for two is in the correct range in
> my experience. If you know were to get Detroit lockers (not ez lockers)
> for $300 each I would love to know.
>
> BA914@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
> >
> > STEVE
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE
> Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services
> online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check
> out Shabang!com FREE eStores!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/4/_/1966/_/951181736/
>
> -- Create a poll/survey for your group!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of learning online.
SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on your time,
in your space. Join for FREE today!
http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951182802/
-- Check out your group's private Chat room
-- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc
www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
5856 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 6:53pm
Subject: Re: Front Tubular Bumper for Sale
All,
I just bought & installed this similar bumper in my ZJ
and would love to show to anyone who is interested in
it. Couple mods, such as, new bolt holes & sheet
metal cutting, are required in order to secure it into
the ZJ. It's look pretty cool especially with a pair
of KC 100K watt lights, too me, so just let me know
if you want to check it out.
Tom
'94 ZJ
--- Linda Luik <p14175@e...> wrote:
> Who is the manufacturer? I already have a good front
> bumpr on my ZJ, but I
> know people who are interested in tube bumpers that
> will fit ZJs. I didn't
> know anyone was making them!
>
> Linda
> 93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock
>
> Kevin Fell wrote:
> >
> > Hi all:
> > I am selling a front Tube Bumper that is
> powdercoated black and has
> > never been mounted. The tubing is thicker than
> normal, I am told, and
> > includes a grill guard that is welded with 1/4"
> steel plate with light
> > tabs. I am at 19th Ave and Northern, and will
> show it anytime to
> > anyone who is interested. It was built for an XJ,
> but will also fit a
> > ZJ or whatever you have that is a similar size.
> It's a good deal, so
> > e-mail me if you are interested at
> kevin.fell@b....
> >
> >
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Looking for the best new sites on the Web?
> eTour.com is a FREE
> > service that brings great websites right to you -
> matched to your
> > own unique interests. It's like having a personal
> remote control
> > for the Internet!
> >
>
http://click.egroups.com/1/1675/4/_/1966/_/951155653/
> >
> > eGroups.com Home:
> http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/
> > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group
> communications
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! Rates as
> low as 2.9%
> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers,
> Rewards Points,
> no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today
> and get the
> credit youdeserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa
> at:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/912/4/_/1966/_/951157077/
>
> -- Check out your group's private Chat room
> --
> http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
>
> > begin: vcard
> fn: Linda Luik
> n: Luik;Linda
> org: Motorola SPS
> adr;dom: ;;2200 W. Broadway Road maildrop:
> M555;Mesa;Arizona;85202;
> email;internet: p14175@e...
> title: SPS IT-CIM Regional VMS Systems
> Adminstrator
> tel;work: 6026554432 pager 18887725230
> tel;fax: 602553569
> tel;home:
> x-mozilla-cpt: ;0
> x-mozilla-html: FALSE
> version: 2.1
> end: vcard
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://im.yahoo.com
5857 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:07pm
Subject: Re: FW: Directions to Broken Arrow
I am thinking about joining you guys on this run but
don't recall which day is it on. Is it going to be
the upcoming Saturday (2/26)? Please advise.
Thanks,
Tom
--- Eric Herring <herring@u...> wrote:
> Getting to the trail is easy, just get off of I17 on
> the first Sedona exit
> and go West until you see the broken arrow sign on
> the right. Turn at the
> sign and follow the road to a dirt parking lot at
> the end. I may just meet
> everyone at the trail head But let me know if anyone
> is planning a convoy.
> Does anyone mind some non-Jeeps tagging along? Do we
> have a meeting time
> yet?
>
> See you there,
> Eric Herring 92XJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James A Langdon [mailto:yucca-man@j...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 1:37 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Directions to Broken Arrow
>
>
> Okay,
>
> One of the new members pointed out that I am not
> keeping up with the
> website with a 30-minute turnaround on updates. <G>
> One run that I have
> listed as upcoming is a Feb 26 run to Broken Arrow,
> but I have (again)
> lost the directions. Who is leading this run, and
> what are the
> directions for Broken Arrow and for the meeting
> spot? Is there any
> interest in having a convoy from the East Valley?
>
> Jim Yucca-man@j...
> Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
> http://azvjc.web.com
> 89 Cherokee (RIP) 73 CJ5 (RIP)
>
> When they took the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet
> because I didn't deal
> drugs.
> When they took the Fifth Amendment, I was quiet
> because I was innocent.
> When they took the Second Amendment, I was quiet
> because I didn't own a
> gun.
> Now they've taken the First Amendment and I can't
> say anything.
>
__________________________________________________ ______________
> YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
> Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
> Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE
> software, visit:
> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as
> low as 2.9%
> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply
> NOW!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/915/4/_/1966/_/951036429/
>
> -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document
> Vault
> -- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/az_vjc/?m=1
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of
> learning online.
> SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on
> your time,
> in your space. Join for FREE today!
>
http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951077477/
>
> -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the
> group calendar!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://im.yahoo.com
5858 From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:08pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
New Gear sets F&R, and Detroits F&R... I'm at 3.73 now, so I'd need new
Carriers to go lower. I figure $1500 as a fair guesstimate for
everything plus labor. MIKE
joey wrote:
>
> de slug <mschwit-@u...> wrote:
> who did you get a quote from for your regearing??? on my CJ i can
> regear for about $600-$700. whoever quoted you $1500 is trying to rip
> you off.
>
> Joey
>
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5820
> > A transmission with a granny low may be a good option. For instance,
> in
> > My YJ It would cost about $1500 to swap in a 4 speed, with AA adapters
> > to the motor and Tcase. I'm looking at the same price to re-gear. When
> > the time (money) comes, I'll be Keeping my relatively tall 3.73s, and
> > swapping in an NP435. Depending on your motor, Tcase, and what tranny
> > you swap in, you may not need bellhousing and tcase adapters like I do
> > If I keep my 4.0. MIKE
> >
> > Jon Loveless wrote:
> > >
> > > Now that I have 33" tires I notice the higher gear ratio when in
> low-low
> > > and crawling. Can someone give me an idea of the best (and
> cheapest) ways
> > > to lower at least my first Low gearing? Cheap is good right now.
> (Doug - I
> > > figure you have the answer here.) I don't know what my current
> ration is
> > > nor how to tell what it is, either.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Jon Loveless
> > > =================
> > > Jon Loveless
> > > Convenient P&C Group
> > > (610) 521-6066
> > > =================
> > >
>
>
5859 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:39pm
Subject: Re: FW: Directions to Broken Arrow
Tom,
It would be good to have you along. This coming saturday it is. Meeting at
carefree & I17 and departing at 8:30am. If there is rain or snow on the
ground it could add to the pucker factor.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
To: <herring@u...>; Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (E-mail)
<AZ_VJC@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 8:07 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: Directions to Broken Arrow
> I am thinking about joining you guys on this run but
> don't recall which day is it on. Is it going to be
> the upcoming Saturday (2/26)? Please advise.
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> --- Eric Herring <herring@u...> wrote:
> > Getting to the trail is easy, just get off of I17 on
> > the first Sedona exit
> > and go West until you see the broken arrow sign on
> > the right. Turn at the
> > sign and follow the road to a dirt parking lot at
> > the end. I may just meet
> > everyone at the trail head But let me know if anyone
> > is planning a convoy.
> > Does anyone mind some non-Jeeps tagging along? Do we
> > have a meeting time
> > yet?
> >
> > See you there,
> > Eric Herring 92XJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James A Langdon [mailto:yucca-man@j...]
> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 1:37 AM
> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Directions to Broken Arrow
> >
> >
> > Okay,
> >
> > One of the new members pointed out that I am not
> > keeping up with the
> > website with a 30-minute turnaround on updates. <G>
> > One run that I have
> > listed as upcoming is a Feb 26 run to Broken Arrow,
> > but I have (again)
> > lost the directions. Who is leading this run, and
> > what are the
> > directions for Broken Arrow and for the meeting
> > spot? Is there any
> > interest in having a convoy from the East Valley?
> >
> > Jim Yucca-man@j...
> > Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
> > http://azvjc.web.com
> > 89 Cherokee (RIP) 73 CJ5 (RIP)
> >
> > When they took the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet
> > because I didn't deal
> > drugs.
> > When they took the Fifth Amendment, I was quiet
> > because I was innocent.
> > When they took the Second Amendment, I was quiet
> > because I didn't own a
> > gun.
> > Now they've taken the First Amendment and I can't
> > say anything.
> >
> __________________________________________________ ______________
> > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
> > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
> > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE
> > software, visit:
> > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as
> > low as 2.9%
> > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply
> > NOW!
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/915/4/_/1966/_/951036429/
> >
> > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document
> > Vault
> > -- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/az_vjc/?m=1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of
> > learning online.
> > SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on
> > your time,
> > in your space. Join for FREE today!
> >
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951077477/
> >
> > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the
> > group calendar!
> > -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=az_vjc&m=1
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> http://im.yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as 0.0%
> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points,
> no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit
> you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at:
> http://click.egroups.com/1/914/4/_/1966/_/951188852/
>
> -- Check out your group's private Chat room
> -- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
5860 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:40pm
Subject: Re: SOA brakeline length?
I think most guys go with Blazer lines..... I'll check into it and report
specifics.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
To: azvjc <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: SOA brakeline length?
> Good questions Jeff. I am getting ready to do spring over on
> my 84 CJ. I will let you know on any brilliant findings. I
> am not going with Wrangler axles but it should be close
> otherwise.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff Meade <jeffm@d...>
> To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:09 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] SOA brakeline length?
>
>
> > Hi VJers --
> >
> > I'm looking for approximate front brake line length for a
> CJ SOA setup.
> > I could guess, but if someone has widetrack axles with
> Wrangler
> > springs, a ballpark measurement would be appreciated.
> Without
> > brakes/dshafts, my CJ is in no position to run up a ramp
> to get a good
> > measurement. Also, I could use any recommendations on a
> place to find
> > decent prices.
> >
> > Another question ... Are the steel braided lines worth the
> $$$? I only
> > want to do brake lines once.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> --------------
> > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as
> 2.9%
> > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW!
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/915/4/_/1966/_/951185435/
> >
> > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group
> calendar!
> > -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=az_vjc&m=1
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates
> as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees.
> Apply NOW!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/967/4/_/1966/_/951186377/
>
> -- Talk to your group with your own voice!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/VoiceChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
5861 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:37pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
Well - there are 2 ways to go - expensive and more expensive. With 33's, a
4.10 ring/pinion in the diffs will bring you back to stock gearing. If you
want lower gears and/or you plan on larger tires later, than 4.56 would be
your best bet. AND if your thinking lockers - now is the time to do it,
since there's no additional labor involved.
The most expensive route would be to do a Tera Low or Atlas Transfer Case.
Of course, the best thing is to do both a r/p swap and a t-case change. But
this route is very expensive - so you may really want to just look at a r/p
swap.
As far as what you have now, if you call your trusty - dusty Jeep dealer and
give them your VIN#, they'll be able to tell you what your gearing is. A
quicker way is to look at your rear diff...there should be a metal tab
attached to one of the diff cover bolts...and that should have your gear
info on it.
Happy Trails
Doug
How does your Jeep do on the road in high range? If it's dogging it, then
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:01 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] lower gears
> Now that I have 33" tires I notice the higher gear ratio when in low-low
> and crawling. Can someone give me an idea of the best (and cheapest) ways
> to lower at least my first Low gearing? Cheap is good right now. (Doug - I
> figure you have the answer here.) I don't know what my current ration is
> nor how to tell what it is, either.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jon Loveless
> =================
> Jon Loveless
> Convenient P&C Group
> (610) 521-6066
> =================
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of learning online.
> SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on your time,
> in your space. Join for FREE today!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951138194/
>
> -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
5862 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:49pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
I wouldnt skimp on the seals... we both agreed to factor in another $100 for those items. Im not sure what Im going to do with the TJ.... I'll probably sell it in a year when my CJ is done.
Ross,
I was probably going to install the 4:1 kit myself. I have the time to do it as the CJ is nowhere close to being done. Im also going SOA and 35's..... need to find a Wagoneer front D44 first. Right now it has the dreaded 3:31 ratio.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner
To: azvjc
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
Larry, I have the Teralow in my CJ and it is great. My highway performance is the same but I now have MUCH lower crawl rates. But, now that I am going to 35+ on tires and a spring over, we will be getting rid of my silly 3.3 R-P gears and going to 4.56's and some type of locker in the rear.
I think you can get the Teralow installed for only $250 at 4 Wheelers. That is a deal, we did it and it went great but I had expert help, Bill.
Ross Skinner
----- Original Message -----
From: dirtdog@uswest.net
To: 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:37 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
Larry,
Don't skimp on the seals! They will have to drag the axles past the seal at least twice while doing the swap and if you don't replace them why would a shop warrant leaky seals? I would also put new bearings, You will be paying shop rate labor for the removal of the old bearings of the old carriers and they putting used bearings on brand new carriers just to save $200 ish.
I trust 4 wheelers supply they have done many things for me and always have been great.
Bernie
Larry Maggio wrote:
I was just quoted $2400 for a gear change front and rear plus ARB's in both
diffs..... minus the compressor. That was for my new 2000 TJ so bearings &
seals shouldnt be needed.
I also got a quote of $1100 to do both front and rear r&p's in my CJ7's
axles.... this included new bearings/seals.
Both quotes came from 4wheelers supply.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard Pennock
To:
Cc: ;
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 6:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: lower gears
> No neeed to SHOUT!!
>
> Detroits are $380-$450 each so $800 for two is in the correct range in
> my experience. If you know were to get Detroit lockers (not ez lockers)
> for $300 each I would love to know.
>
> BA914@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > THATS AWFUL HIGH FOR DETROIT'S. I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 600.
> >
> > STEVE
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE
> Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services
> online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check
> out Shabang!com FREE eStores!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/4/_/1966/_/951181736/
>
> -- Create a poll/survey for your group!
> -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=az_vjc&m=1
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Learn more with SmartPlanet. It's a new way of learning online.
SmartPlanet offers hundreds of courses to take on your time,
in your space. Join for FREE today!
http://click.egroups.com/1/1700/4/_/1966/_/951182802/
-- Check out your group's private Chat room
-- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc
www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Click here to find out more about Jaguar pre-owned automobiles.
eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc
www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications
5863 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 2:51pm
Subject: Re: lower gears
Hey Doug
what is your opinion on ring and pinion swap.
Including: r&p, carriers/lockers, seals and bearings.
Just a rough est. would be fine.
Steve
5864 From: John Doe <jeepboy50@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:53pm
Subject: Re: Lift Kits
actually for the money a 4 inch explorer pro comp is better since rubicon
uses pro comp springs
jake
99 tj
__________________________________________________ ____
5865 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 21, 2000 7:46pm
Subject: Re: Lift Kits
One nice thing about the Tera 3" system - is that Tera has a very good trade
up program if you want to go w/ there 4" lift later. One thing to remember
in choosing lists is that a 4" lift will most certainly necessitate a SYE
and CV drive shaft (mo money).
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
To: <dsoutwest@e...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 10:23 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Lift Kits
> I purchased the new TerraFlex 3"system from OffRoad Unlimited, They have a
> store on Broadway in Mesa and Raintree in Scottsdale. TerraFlex makes a
> 3"lift kit and a 3"lift system. The lift system includes disconnects (the
> new ones), steering skid plate and the stuff in the rear (?) also. They
> have the same options for a 4" also. The 3 inch installed will take
> 33x12.50 with no problem and with an additional 1" body lift (cheap) you
> can go to 35x15 some day. OffRoad Unlimited will do the 3"system for about
> $1300-1500 installed.
>
> Jon
>
> At 08:45 AM 2/21/00 -0800, Dale M. Schuler wrote:
> >I am starting to do research on the best lift kit to put on my 2000 TJ.
> >what is better? A 3" or 4" kit and who has the best for the price. I am
> >not mechancially inclined so will have someone else do it. Who locally
is
> >good at it? Thanks in advance for you remarks.
> >
> >
>
> =================
> Jon Loveless
> Convenient P&C Group
> (610) 521-6066
> =================
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Looking for the best new sites on the Web? eTour.com is a FREE
> service that brings great websites right to you - matched to your
> own unique interests. It's like having a personal remote control
> for the Internet!
> http://click.egroups.com/1/1675/4/_/1966/_/951153854/
>
> -- Check out your group's private Chat room
> -- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=az_vjc&m=1
>
>