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5666 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 7:49am
Subject: Re: Broken Arrow reminder...Saturday Feb 26th
Where is the Broken Arrow Trail ?
"larry maggio" <lmaggi-@p...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5663
> Just a weekly reminder of an upcoming trip to Broken Arrow. It's a
very
> short/easy loop trail that takes anywhere from 1 hour to 2.5
depending on
> traffic and stops.
>
> There was a stock range rover on it today... other than a little
slipping of
> his small street tires and some scraping because of the long wheel
base, he
> did fine. This could be a good trip for first timers or stock jeeps.
>
> I met up with the head Pink Jeep tour fella... Jim was a great guy
to chat
> with and has no problems with us being there as long as we are
responsible.
> The rest of the Pink Jeep drivers were polite... to some extent.
>
>
> Larry
>
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5667 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:13am
Subject: Re: FW: Agua Fria River bed closure
You are correct. The closing of the river bottom on the West side of
Phoenix has nothing to do with President Worthless Clinton.
Stu Olson N7QJP
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-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Luik [mailto:p14175@e...]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:10 AM
To: O'Boyle, David; lmaggio@p...
Cc: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: Agua Fria River bed closure
I thought the Agua Fria NM was north of Black Canyon City -- closer to the
Sunset Point Rest Stop. I didn't think it included any of the West Phoinex
portion of the river bed. I thought that the area that has been used as an
impromptu play area was privately owned.
Regardless of its status I think taking down the barriers would be
considered
trespassing and not only could get you in a lot of trouble but give the
entire
OHV community a back eye and bad press. This is the last thing we need!
Of course, all the folks who regularly use this area could get organized and
take action. The pen is stilll mightier than the backhoe!
Linda
O'Boyle, David wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: O'Boyle, David
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 8:46 PM
> To: 'Larry Maggio'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Agua Fria River bed closure
>
> NO WAY!!!!!!!
>
> DAMN IT!! I'm gonna have to go down there with one of the backhoes and
move
> thoes f@#$%^& barriers!!!!!
> This is Complete B.S.
> Any one know anything on this closure????????????????
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Maggio [mailto:lmaggio@p...]
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Agua Fria River bed closure
>
> A fellow Jeeper (Steve w/YJ & Revolvers) posted this thread on Jeeps
> Unlimited....
>
> "Well it happened...My favorite wheeling area was officially closed
> yesterday. This place I speak of is affectionatly known as "The River Bed"
> and is about 1.5 miles from my house. On weekends you would normally see
> about 50-60 Jeeps and trucks as well as 30-40 cycles, quads, rails and
many
> other types of off road vehicles. You had quite a diverse terrain to
choose
> from, anywhere from granite boulder hills to large mud pits and everything
> in between including a 200' deep sand pit. This was my playground
> everyweekend for the past two years...it was a gathering place for people
to
> test their rigs and to meet to talk about the next trail run we were going
> to do.
> No more...I was outside working on my CB yesterday and my neighbors
stopped
> by and asked me what happened to my playgroung..."What do you mean?". They
> informed me that there were huge cement pillars and barracades closing off
> the entrance with "No Tresspassing" boldly painted on them.
>
> I couldn't believe this so I had to drive by to check it out. Sure enough,
> completely blocked off...it brought a tear to my eye."
>
> He is talking about the area out on Cambelback in the 115ish ave. I bet it
> is the most popular offroad area in the state.
>
> Larry
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5668 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:33am
Subject: Re: South East AZJC members
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> I would love to go! Let me know! One question: Why do they talk >about hiking
> a perfectly good road? :-)
> See you this weekend at the quarterly.
>
> Linda
>
>Yessireeubet. Actually...I've been on the easy part of this trail
>back when
>I had a Blazer. Very pretty area...great for an overnight. Let's do
>it!
>
>Doug
>
>I'd love to do this run, seeing that I haven't been on any runs
>with the
>group yet. I know that our club has been down in that area, our
>annual
>picnic is down in the Patagonia area. Unfortunately I have to go
>out of
>town back and forth until the end of April, so if you guys decide
>to do it
>around May or something, let me know.
>Matt B.
>94 YJ
Hey Linda, Doug, and Matt,
Don't even get me started! The editors of that paper want to
see all off-highway vehicles banned from everywhere!
My "SHE J" decided she needed new brakes Thursday, so I made
her spend the night a shop and did not get her until late
Saturday night. So the clean up, meeting, everything was knocked
out for us. Geoff's Jeep was down too, we thought it was going to
get a new motor - but he fixed it.
I would love to do a camping/run to this spot! I like the
idea of May too. I'd like to meet some more Southern AZ folks.
I would also like to pre-run it, so if anyone has some time,
contact me and let's go do it!
Leah
5669 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 9:06am
Subject: Re: run- -Tucson-two runs
Hi all!
I am leading a run into Tequila Tank again
Saturday February 26th,
9AM to?
rating 3(?) or 3.5(?)
We are meeting at the Abco on Tanque Verde and
Catalina HWY
CB Channel 4
Bring a lunch
THEN! We are going to go back Sunday!
Reddington Loop
Sunday February 27th
What time David???
Abco-Tanque Verde and Catalina HWY
rated at 3.5 or 4?(can you tell I'm paranoid about ratings now?)
CB channel 4
Bring plenty of food and water
sometimes this can turn into a long run
Leah
John Doe wrote:
>
> hey everyone, i have feb. 26th off and was going to do a chiva falls, in
> tucson, run mid day or if anyone else has a run planned please let me
know.
> having a saturday off for me is a rare occurence so i want to take
advantage
> of it. thanx
> jake
5670 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 9:21am
Subject: Re: Broken Arrow reminder...Saturday Feb 26th
Sinan,
It is in Sedona.
You would really enjoy it.
The trail is breathtaking and full size
rigs can make just fine. If you can't make
this run, the Tucson group runs up alot during the
springtime.
Leah
sinanturel@y... wrote:
>
> Where is the Broken Arrow Trail ?
>
5671 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 9:29am
Subject: Re: Need information about trails with water features
Linda-
Don't forget the Gap.
Becky and Rheal probably know of a lot of trails
in the southern part of the state. I''l forward this to them.
Leah
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I need information about trails that are regularly used that have permanent
> water features (springs, creeks, lakes, etc.).
>
> The only ones I can think of are the pools near Chiva Falls and Red Creek. Any others?
>
> Thanks!
> Linda
>
>
5672 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 10:12am
Subject: Re: Broken Arrow reminder...Saturday Feb 26th
It isn't up to the Pink Jeep Tour Comapny to decide who can/can't be on the
same trails they use. At one time the Pink Jeep Tour Company was trying to
find a way to keep 4-wheelers off "their trails." One of their arguments was
was that regular 4-wheelers didn't use "environmentally safe tires" like they
did. The relationship between the 4x4 tour companies and private
individuals/ASA4WDC has not always been the best. FWIW: The 4x4 tour companies
were partly responsible for making the Charouleau Gap trail a deadend trail
for a couple of years.
Linda
sinanturel@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Where is the Broken Arrow Trail ?
>
> "larry maggio" <lmaggi-@primenet.com> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5663
> > Just a weekly reminder of an upcoming trip to Broken Arrow. It's a
> very
> > short/easy loop trail that takes anywhere from 1 hour to 2.5
> depending on
> > traffic and stops.
> >
> > There was a stock range rover on it today... other than a little
> slipping of
> > his small street tires and some scraping because of the long wheel
> base, he
> > did fine. This could be a good trip for first timers or stock jeeps.
> >
> > I met up with the head Pink Jeep tour fella... Jim was a great guy
> to chat
> > with and has no problems with us being there as long as we are
> responsible.
> > The rest of the Pink Jeep drivers were polite... to some extent.
> >
> >
> > Larry
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5673 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 10:17am
Subject: [Fwd: FWD: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000]
FYI
Linda
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:08:13 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: FWD: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts,
See below, FYI.
--------------------------------------
Date: 2/14/0 7:05 AM
From: Donald C. Amador
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Donald C. Amador, 112531,1311
TO: "Amador", INTERNET:brdon_a@sharetrails.org
DATE: 2/14/00 6:03 AM
RE: Copy of: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
Dear M/U Recreation Interests,
Although many of you have already seen the new issue of the Center for
Preventing Road's "Road-RIPorter", I wanted to give you the URL for it
and the recent anti-OHV report called - "Roaring from the Past: ORVs
on America's National Forests."
These publications, once again, show how serious the greens are about
imposing a "functional ban" on public lands of OHV use.
You can see some of the new Road-RIPorter at:
http://www.wildlands.org/WildCPR
where you can also download the new report... "Roaring from
the Past...."
It's going to be a long year.
Don Amador, BRC
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5674 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 10:32am
Subject: RE:New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000]
Linda - The article cannot be found using the
web-address below, I was able to get their
main website up but cannot find this "Roaring from the
past " article. Can you help me?
Leah
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> FYI
> Linda
>
> Subject: FWD: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:08:13 MST
> From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
> To: Blind *Copy <theslin@p...>
>
> Outdoor Enthusiasts,
> See below, FYI.
>
> --------------------------------------
> Date: 2/14/0 7:05 AM
> From: Donald C. Amador
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> From: Donald C. Amador, 112531,1311
> TO: "Amador", INTERNET:brdon_a@s...
> DATE: 2/14/00 6:03 AM
>
> RE: Copy of: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
>
> Dear M/U Recreation Interests,
>
> Although many of you have already seen the new issue of the Center for
> Preventing Road's "Road-RIPorter", I wanted to give you the URL for it
> and the recent anti-OHV report called - "Roaring from the Past: ORVs
> on America's National Forests."
>
> These publications, once again, show how serious the greens are about
> imposing a "functional ban" on public lands of OHV use.
>
> You can see some of the new Road-RIPorter at:
>
> http://www.wildlands.org/WildCPR
>
> where you can also download the new report... "Roaring from
> the Past...."
>
> It's going to be a long year.
>
> Don Amador, BRC
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
5675 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 0:06pm
Subject: Re: RE:New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000]
http://www.wildrockies.org/WildCPR/index.html
Leah Eliscu wrote:
>
> Linda - The article cannot be found using the
> web-address below, I was able to get their
> main website up but cannot find this "Roaring from the
> past " article. Can you help me?
>
> Leah
>
> Linda Luik wrote:
> >
> > FYI
> > Linda
> >
> > Subject: FWD: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
> > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:08:13 MST
> > From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
> > To: Blind *Copy <theslin@p...>
> >
> > Outdoor Enthusiasts,
> > See below, FYI.
> >
> > --------------------------------------
> > Date: 2/14/0 7:05 AM
> > From: Donald C. Amador
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> >
> > From: Donald C. Amador, 112531,1311
> > TO: "Amador", INTERNET:brdon_a@s...
> > DATE: 2/14/00 6:03 AM
> >
> > RE: Copy of: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
> >
> > Dear M/U Recreation Interests,
> >
> > Although many of you have already seen the new issue of the Center for
> > Preventing Road's "Road-RIPorter", I wanted to give you the URL for it
> > and the recent anti-OHV report called - "Roaring from the Past: ORVs
> > on America's National Forests."
> >
> > These publications, once again, show how serious the greens are about
> > imposing a "functional ban" on public lands of OHV use.
> >
> > You can see some of the new Road-RIPorter at:
> >
> > http://www.wildlands.org/WildCPR
> >
> > where you can also download the new report... "Roaring from
> > the Past...."
> >
> > It's going to be a long year.
> >
> > Don Amador, BRC
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
5676 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 0:19pm
Subject: Road Rip URL Correction
Try this URL:
http://www.wildrockies.org/WildCPR/index.html
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5677 From: Michael Connor <mikec@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 0:50pm
Subject: Re: Road Rip URL Correction
Checked out the website; unbelievable what these people
think they're doing. If they really want to protect the
"ecosystem" why don't they file their petitions against
the mining companies; logging companies; oh, and let's
not forget that petition against Mother Nature for those
eco-damaging forest fires. While they're intentions may be
noble enough, they need to stop pounding the drum long
enough to see the real picture. <shrug>
Sorry to vent,
Uncle Mike
Phoenix, AZ.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Luik" <p14175@e...>
To: "4x4 Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@egroups.com>; "steve graham"
<steve.graham@f...>; "Steve Graham"
<stevegraham@w...>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:19 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Road Rip URL Correction
> Try this URL:
> http://www.wildrockies.org/WildCPR/index.html
>
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5678 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 1:02pm
Subject: Re: Road Rip URL Correction
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> Try this URL:
> http://www.wildrockies.org/WildCPR/index.html
>
Thanks Linda and Dave,
I almost wish I had not asked for the correction. :(
That is a very disturbing website.
I read their rhetoric, rights for all species?
What about human species? They will never get away
with all their plans to eliminate OHVs!
Also seems like they like it when
we post pictures of "stuck" vehicles, saying "Just what we deserve"
Keep up the good work people!
Leah
5679 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 2:16pm
Subject: [Fwd: Prescott NF--GWT Dedication 5/20/00]
Terry Heslin wrote:
>
> Outdoor Enthusiasts--MARK YOUR CALENDAR:
>
> On May 20, 2000--the Arizona Chapter of the Great Western Trail Association and the Prescott National Forest will be celebrating the dedication of the Prescott National Forest segment of the Great Western Trail (GWT).
>
> Tentative plans put the celebration on Mingus Mountain, at the Potato Patch Campground area. The GWT is a shared use "Corridor of Discovery" that will traverse backroads and trails from Mexico--through Arizona--to Canada.
> Details on the dedication event will be announced soon--but put that date (May 20) on your calendar now.
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:06:09 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: Prescott NF--GWT Dedication 5/20/00
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts--MARK YOUR CALENDAR:
On May 20, 2000--the Arizona Chapter of the Great Western Trail Association and the Prescott National Forest will be celebrating the dedication of the Prescott National Forest segment of the Great Western Trail (GWT).
Tentative plans put the celebration on Mingus Mountain, at the Potato Patch Campground area. The GWT is a shared use "Corridor of Discovery" that will traverse backroads and trails from Mexico--through Arizona--to Canada.
Details on the dedication event will be announced soon--but put that date (May 20) on your calendar now.
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5680 From: <CoyotEddie@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 11:34am
Subject: Need Transmision Help
I recently aquired a T-18 Ford truck, 4 speed, transmission to put into my 79
CJ5. Its from a 1965 truck, the main gear is showing quit a bit of wear and I
would like to replace it before doing the swap. I am at a loss for were to
get trany parts. I came up with siltch on the web. Any help and feed back
will be greatly appreciated.
The <A HREF="http://donb.photo.net/photo_cd/c/b62.html">Coyote</A>
5681 From: Joe West <joefwest@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 9:07am
Subject: 98TJ Dana 30 Front Axle assembly for Sale...Make Offer.
Hello Everyone,
In about three weeks; I will have a complete Dana 30 Front Axle Assembly
available from my Jeep. If anyone is interested in picking it up for a
spare, let me know. I'd also be willing to part it out if anyone is
interested in the parts. It has the factory 3.73:1 gearing, has always had
synthetic gear oil in it, and is in great condition (okay... there's a few
scratches on the bottom side of it <grin>)
If anyone is interested in it, let me know. I get a $500 deposit back from
Currie by shipping it to them, but I thought if anyone here needed it more;
I'd just sell it locally. If you are interested just respond via email.
Since I only need to send Currie the bare housing so they can tear off the
brackets; I'll have lots of good spare parts available for whoever wants
them.
Regards,
Joe West
>From: "Linda Luik" <p14175@e...>
>Reply-To: linda.luik@M...
>To: 4x4 Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] [Fwd: Prescott NF--GWT Dedication 5/20/00]
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:16:44 -0700
>
>Terry Heslin wrote:
> >
> > Outdoor Enthusiasts--MARK YOUR CALENDAR:
> >
> > On May 20, 2000--the Arizona Chapter of the Great Western Trail
>Association and the Prescott National Forest will be celebrating the
>dedication of the Prescott National Forest segment of the Great Western
>Trail (GWT).
> >
> > Tentative plans put the celebration on Mingus Mountain, at the Potato
>Patch Campground area. The GWT is a shared use "Corridor of Discovery"
>that will traverse backroads and trails from Mexico--through Arizona--to
>Canada.
> > Details on the dedication event will be announced soon--but put that
>date (May 20) on your calendar now.
>
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5682 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 5:19pm
Subject: Re: Need Transmision Help
coyoteddi-@a... wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5680
> I recently aquired a T-18 Ford truck, 4 speed, transmission to put
into my 79
> CJ5. Its from a 1965 truck, the main gear is showing quit a bit of
wear and I
> would like to replace it before doing the swap. I am at a loss for
were to
> get trany parts. I came up with siltch on the web. Any help and feed
back
> will be greatly appreciated.
>
> The <A HREF="http://donb.photo.net/photo_cd/c/b62.html">Coyote</A>
try calling Brian at AZ Trailwerks in phoenix first. if they cant help,
try 4x4 Recyclers. youll have a better chance with AZ Trailwerks
though. the number is 602 254 1551. i asked them about gettig me an
input shaft for a T18 and they had one there and ready to go. i think i
remember them only wanting like $50 for it too, which is really cheap.
anyways hope this helps and good luck!
Joey
Monosyllabic Guy
5683 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 6:41pm
Subject: 33's with 3" lift on my Cherokee
Hey All,
I just put on 33X9.5" big o XT's....I am lifting it another 1.5" this week
to 4.5 but I thought everyone would want to know the only inference inthe
wheel wells is in the rear of the back wells....a 1/2" nip here and all will
work well....but I still need the additional height to take advantage on the
trails....I also noticed my front brake lines are starting to split from the
articulation...guess its time for extended lines....today!
Brian Harmon
88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/ARB, DAna 30 FRont W/ Gearless LOcker ,3.5 in RE lift
Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,KC's, 33X9.5 Big O XT,
yada, yada, yada.
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5684 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 7:01pm
Subject: Re: 33's with 3" lift on my Cherokee
Doug,
What its not a disease...of an addiction.....I can stop at anytime I tell
you....I can quit cold turkey....not even a gps or new bumper...I tell you I
can quit....errrr.....is there an upgrades amonomyous around here somewhere?
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:53:32 -0700, DougB wrote:
> It's disease, I tell you...a disease. And I've got it too. The upgrades
> never end.
>
> Sounds like your having fun.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: B H <boh105@e...>
> To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:41 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] 33's with 3" lift on my Cherokee
>
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > I just put on 33X9.5" big o XT's....I am lifting it another 1.5" this
week
> > to 4.5 but I thought everyone would want to know the only inference
inthe
> > wheel wells is in the rear of the back wells....a 1/2" nip here and all
> will
> > work well....but I still need the additional height to take advantage
on
> the
> > trails....I also noticed my front brake lines are starting to split
from
> the
> > articulation...guess its time for extended lines....today!
> >
> > Brian Harmon
> > 88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/ARB, DAna 30 FRont W/ Gearless LOcker ,3.5 in RE
lift
> > Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
> > trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,KC's, 33X9.5 Big O
> XT,
> > yada, yada, yada.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/ARB, DAna 30 FRont W/ Gearless LOcker ,3.5 in RE lift
Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,31x10.5 BFG AT's KO's,
KC's, yada, yada, yada.
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5685 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 7:21pm
Subject: Re: 33's with 3" lift on my Cherokee
Gee,
I think you are on your own there. I cant get my wife to understand...but I
do provide her with a step stool to get in!
Brian Harmon
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:06:59 -0700, eandkm@u... wrote:
> Hey Brian congrats on the 33's. I just lifted my cherokee to 5" last
weekend and
> was going to do a trial fit to see if 33x9.50's would work. Sounds like
they
> will which is great news-for me, not the wife, but those 31x10.50's are
lookin
> small now. Maybe you can help her understand!
>
> B H wrote:
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > I just put on 33X9.5" big o XT's....I am lifting it another 1.5" this
week
> > to 4.5 but I thought everyone would want to know the only inference
inthe
> > wheel wells is in the rear of the back wells....a 1/2" nip here and all
will
> > work well....but I still need the additional height to take advantage
on the
> > trails....I also noticed my front brake lines are starting to split
from the
> > articulation...guess its time for extended lines....today!
> >
> > Brian Harmon
> > 88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/ARB, DAna 30 FRont W/ Gearless LOcker ,3.5 in RE
lift
> > Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
> > trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,KC's, 33X9.5 Big O
XT,
> > yada, yada, yada.
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5686 From: <gdclark@f...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 7:43pm
Subject: TR:Terminator
What? Terminator trail, class 4
Where? Meet at I-17/Deer Valley McD's
When? Feb 19th at 0730
Terminator is located off of Table Mesa Road
Please reply so I can keep
track of who all is going
Greg
89yj
5687 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:04pm
Subject: Re: more on agua fria
Stu
I first though acording to the site I had posted that the area might have
been included in the Presidents monument area.. I was wrong. The only
information I can find at this time has to do with Cap replenishing the
water aquafer in the area. But I am not absolutely positive of this yet.. I
spent 10hrs last night on the internet searching..
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@u...]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:29 AM
To: O'Boyle, David
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] more on agua fria
Dave,
This signing happened earlier last month. I guess I am missing the point as
to why you are posting it to the group now.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: O'Boyle, David [mailto:David.OBoyle@b...]
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 9:50 PM
To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] more on agua fria
NOW, THEREFORE, I, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, President of the United States of
America, by the authority vested in me by section 2 of the Act of June 8,
1906 (34 Stat. 225, 16 U.S.C. 431), do proclaim that there are hereby set
apart and reserved as the Agua Fria National Monument, for the purpose of
protecting the objects identified above, all lands and interests in lands
owned or controlled by the United States within the boundaries of the area
described on the map entitled "Agua Fria National Monument" attached to and
forming a part of this proclamation. The Federal land and interests in land
reserved consist of approximately 71,100 acres, which is the smallest area
compatible with the proper care and management of the objects to be
protected.
http://azwww.az.blm.gov/aguafria/afriaproc.htm
<http://azwww.az.blm.gov/aguafria/afriaproc.htm>
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5688 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:07pm
Subject: Re: FW: Agua Fria River bed closure
You are right Linda,
I was just trying to blow off some steam... I guess next time I'll just keep
my mouth shut and type somone a letter...
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Luik [mailto:p14175@e...]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:10 AM
To: O'Boyle, David; lmaggio@p...
Cc: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: Agua Fria River bed closure
I thought the Agua Fria NM was north of Black Canyon City -- closer to the
Sunset Point Rest Stop. I didn't think it included any of the West Phoinex
portion of the river bed. I thought that the area that has been used as an
impromptu play area was privately owned.
Regardless of its status I think taking down the barriers would be
considered
trespassing and not only could get you in a lot of trouble but give the
entire
OHV community a back eye and bad press. This is the last thing we need!
Of course, all the folks who regularly use this area could get organized and
take action. The pen is stilll mightier than the backhoe!
Linda
O'Boyle, David wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: O'Boyle, David
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 8:46 PM
> To: 'Larry Maggio'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Agua Fria River bed closure
>
> NO WAY!!!!!!!
>
> DAMN IT!! I'm gonna have to go down there with one of the backhoes and
move
> thoes f@#$%^& barriers!!!!!
> This is Complete B.S.
> Any one know anything on this closure????????????????
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Maggio [mailto:lmaggio@p...]
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Agua Fria River bed closure
>
> A fellow Jeeper (Steve w/YJ & Revolvers) posted this thread on Jeeps
> Unlimited....
>
> "Well it happened...My favorite wheeling area was officially closed
> yesterday. This place I speak of is affectionatly known as "The River Bed"
> and is about 1.5 miles from my house. On weekends you would normally see
> about 50-60 Jeeps and trucks as well as 30-40 cycles, quads, rails and
many
> other types of off road vehicles. You had quite a diverse terrain to
choose
> from, anywhere from granite boulder hills to large mud pits and everything
> in between including a 200' deep sand pit. This was my playground
> everyweekend for the past two years...it was a gathering place for people
to
> test their rigs and to meet to talk about the next trail run we were going
> to do.
> No more...I was outside working on my CB yesterday and my neighbors
stopped
> by and asked me what happened to my playgroung..."What do you mean?". They
> informed me that there were huge cement pillars and barracades closing off
> the entrance with "No Tresspassing" boldly painted on them.
>
> I couldn't believe this so I had to drive by to check it out. Sure enough,
> completely blocked off...it brought a tear to my eye."
>
> He is talking about the area out on Cambelback in the 115ish ave. I bet it
> is the most popular offroad area in the state.
>
> Larry
5689 From: Thane Madrid <thane@t...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:58pm
Subject: Re: Road Rip URL Correction
Comments like "If they really want to protect the
"ecosystem" why don't they file their petitions against
the mining companies; logging companies;" is the whole reason our
sport is going to become extinct. If we plan on beating this thing then
it is going to take everyones help. The Logger, the Miner, the Rancher,
the 4X4er, the skier, the Snowboarder, the Hunter, the 4wheeler, the
Hiker everyone. People, this is what our opposition is doing. They are
all getting togather and slowly picking off one group at a time. So
lets all unite and help each other.
Thane Madrid
97TJ
"michael connor" <mike-@p...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5677
> Checked out the website; unbelievable what these people
> think they're doing. If they really want to protect the
> "ecosystem" why don't they file their petitions against
> the mining companies; logging companies; oh, and let's
> not forget that petition against Mother Nature for those
> eco-damaging forest fires. While they're intentions may be
> noble enough, they need to stop pounding the drum long
> enough to see the real picture. <shrug>
>
> Sorry to vent,
>
> Uncle Mike
> Phoenix, AZ.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Luik" <p14175@e...>
> To: "4x4 Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@egroups.com>; "steve graham"
> <steve.graham@f...>; "Steve Graham"
> <stevegraham@w...>
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:19 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Road Rip URL Correction
>
>
> > Try this URL:
> > http://www.wildrockies.org/WildCPR/index.html
> >
5690 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 10:29pm
Subject: Dead Cherokee (HELP Needed!)
Okay all,
Here's your chance to play hero, and diagnose (and possibly even fix)
this ol' boy's dead 89 Cherokee. I recently went out to Saguaro Lake on
my own (bad form, old chap!) and killed the engine on a steep hillclimb.
I had to back it about 100 yards downhill to turn around, and even then
it would not start. It did finally start by digging the wheels out and
pointing downhill to bumpstart it. I had to do that several more times
that day, but it worked starting at least that way. Since then, I have
been unable to start it (the starter doesn't even click, although the
battery is good and the fuel pump pressurizes)
I was able to get it towed to my ex's house where she let me work in the
garage. I replaced the Crankshaft Position Sensor, and it actually did
start for me. It started several more times during the afternoon, and I
thought I had it fixed. There was a new whistle that I hadn't heard
before, related to engine speed, not vacuum. Couldn't find it though.
Then I went back over to her house to play with my kids, and when I tried
starting it again, I got about a half-crank and then 'clunk' Again, I am
back to a non-starting issue.
So.......anybody got any ideas?
Jim Yucca-man@j...
Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://azvjc.web.com
89 Cherokee (RIP) 73 CJ5 (RIP)
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5666 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 7:49am
Subject: Re: Broken Arrow reminder...Saturday Feb 26th
Where is the Broken Arrow Trail ?
"larry maggio" <lmaggi-@p...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5663
> Just a weekly reminder of an upcoming trip to Broken Arrow. It's a
very
> short/easy loop trail that takes anywhere from 1 hour to 2.5
depending on
> traffic and stops.
>
> There was a stock range rover on it today... other than a little
slipping of
> his small street tires and some scraping because of the long wheel
base, he
> did fine. This could be a good trip for first timers or stock jeeps.
>
> I met up with the head Pink Jeep tour fella... Jim was a great guy
to chat
> with and has no problems with us being there as long as we are
responsible.
> The rest of the Pink Jeep drivers were polite... to some extent.
>
>
> Larry
>
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5667 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:13am
Subject: Re: FW: Agua Fria River bed closure
You are correct. The closing of the river bottom on the West side of
Phoenix has nothing to do with President Worthless Clinton.
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Luik [mailto:p14175@e...]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:10 AM
To: O'Boyle, David; lmaggio@p...
Cc: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: Agua Fria River bed closure
I thought the Agua Fria NM was north of Black Canyon City -- closer to the
Sunset Point Rest Stop. I didn't think it included any of the West Phoinex
portion of the river bed. I thought that the area that has been used as an
impromptu play area was privately owned.
Regardless of its status I think taking down the barriers would be
considered
trespassing and not only could get you in a lot of trouble but give the
entire
OHV community a back eye and bad press. This is the last thing we need!
Of course, all the folks who regularly use this area could get organized and
take action. The pen is stilll mightier than the backhoe!
Linda
O'Boyle, David wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: O'Boyle, David
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 8:46 PM
> To: 'Larry Maggio'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Agua Fria River bed closure
>
> NO WAY!!!!!!!
>
> DAMN IT!! I'm gonna have to go down there with one of the backhoes and
move
> thoes f@#$%^& barriers!!!!!
> This is Complete B.S.
> Any one know anything on this closure????????????????
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Maggio [mailto:lmaggio@p...]
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Agua Fria River bed closure
>
> A fellow Jeeper (Steve w/YJ & Revolvers) posted this thread on Jeeps
> Unlimited....
>
> "Well it happened...My favorite wheeling area was officially closed
> yesterday. This place I speak of is affectionatly known as "The River Bed"
> and is about 1.5 miles from my house. On weekends you would normally see
> about 50-60 Jeeps and trucks as well as 30-40 cycles, quads, rails and
many
> other types of off road vehicles. You had quite a diverse terrain to
choose
> from, anywhere from granite boulder hills to large mud pits and everything
> in between including a 200' deep sand pit. This was my playground
> everyweekend for the past two years...it was a gathering place for people
to
> test their rigs and to meet to talk about the next trail run we were going
> to do.
> No more...I was outside working on my CB yesterday and my neighbors
stopped
> by and asked me what happened to my playgroung..."What do you mean?". They
> informed me that there were huge cement pillars and barracades closing off
> the entrance with "No Tresspassing" boldly painted on them.
>
> I couldn't believe this so I had to drive by to check it out. Sure enough,
> completely blocked off...it brought a tear to my eye."
>
> He is talking about the area out on Cambelback in the 115ish ave. I bet it
> is the most popular offroad area in the state.
>
> Larry
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5668 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:33am
Subject: Re: South East AZJC members
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> I would love to go! Let me know! One question: Why do they talk >about hiking
> a perfectly good road? :-)
> See you this weekend at the quarterly.
>
> Linda
>
>Yessireeubet. Actually...I've been on the easy part of this trail
>back when
>I had a Blazer. Very pretty area...great for an overnight. Let's do
>it!
>
>Doug
>
>I'd love to do this run, seeing that I haven't been on any runs
>with the
>group yet. I know that our club has been down in that area, our
>annual
>picnic is down in the Patagonia area. Unfortunately I have to go
>out of
>town back and forth until the end of April, so if you guys decide
>to do it
>around May or something, let me know.
>Matt B.
>94 YJ
Hey Linda, Doug, and Matt,
Don't even get me started! The editors of that paper want to
see all off-highway vehicles banned from everywhere!
My "SHE J" decided she needed new brakes Thursday, so I made
her spend the night a shop and did not get her until late
Saturday night. So the clean up, meeting, everything was knocked
out for us. Geoff's Jeep was down too, we thought it was going to
get a new motor - but he fixed it.
I would love to do a camping/run to this spot! I like the
idea of May too. I'd like to meet some more Southern AZ folks.
I would also like to pre-run it, so if anyone has some time,
contact me and let's go do it!
Leah
5669 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 9:06am
Subject: Re: run- -Tucson-two runs
Hi all!
I am leading a run into Tequila Tank again
Saturday February 26th,
9AM to?
rating 3(?) or 3.5(?)
We are meeting at the Abco on Tanque Verde and
Catalina HWY
CB Channel 4
Bring a lunch
THEN! We are going to go back Sunday!
Reddington Loop
Sunday February 27th
What time David???
Abco-Tanque Verde and Catalina HWY
rated at 3.5 or 4?(can you tell I'm paranoid about ratings now?)
CB channel 4
Bring plenty of food and water
sometimes this can turn into a long run
Leah
John Doe wrote:
>
> hey everyone, i have feb. 26th off and was going to do a chiva falls, in
> tucson, run mid day or if anyone else has a run planned please let me
know.
> having a saturday off for me is a rare occurence so i want to take
advantage
> of it. thanx
> jake
5670 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 9:21am
Subject: Re: Broken Arrow reminder...Saturday Feb 26th
Sinan,
It is in Sedona.
You would really enjoy it.
The trail is breathtaking and full size
rigs can make just fine. If you can't make
this run, the Tucson group runs up alot during the
springtime.
Leah
sinanturel@y... wrote:
>
> Where is the Broken Arrow Trail ?
>
5671 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 9:29am
Subject: Re: Need information about trails with water features
Linda-
Don't forget the Gap.
Becky and Rheal probably know of a lot of trails
in the southern part of the state. I''l forward this to them.
Leah
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I need information about trails that are regularly used that have permanent
> water features (springs, creeks, lakes, etc.).
>
> The only ones I can think of are the pools near Chiva Falls and Red Creek. Any others?
>
> Thanks!
> Linda
>
>
5672 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 10:12am
Subject: Re: Broken Arrow reminder...Saturday Feb 26th
It isn't up to the Pink Jeep Tour Comapny to decide who can/can't be on the
same trails they use. At one time the Pink Jeep Tour Company was trying to
find a way to keep 4-wheelers off "their trails." One of their arguments was
was that regular 4-wheelers didn't use "environmentally safe tires" like they
did. The relationship between the 4x4 tour companies and private
individuals/ASA4WDC has not always been the best. FWIW: The 4x4 tour companies
were partly responsible for making the Charouleau Gap trail a deadend trail
for a couple of years.
Linda
sinanturel@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Where is the Broken Arrow Trail ?
>
> "larry maggio" <lmaggi-@primenet.com> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5663
> > Just a weekly reminder of an upcoming trip to Broken Arrow. It's a
> very
> > short/easy loop trail that takes anywhere from 1 hour to 2.5
> depending on
> > traffic and stops.
> >
> > There was a stock range rover on it today... other than a little
> slipping of
> > his small street tires and some scraping because of the long wheel
> base, he
> > did fine. This could be a good trip for first timers or stock jeeps.
> >
> > I met up with the head Pink Jeep tour fella... Jim was a great guy
> to chat
> > with and has no problems with us being there as long as we are
> responsible.
> > The rest of the Pink Jeep drivers were polite... to some extent.
> >
> >
> > Larry
Attachment: vcard [not shown]
5673 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 10:17am
Subject: [Fwd: FWD: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000]
FYI
Linda
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:08:13 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: FWD: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts,
See below, FYI.
--------------------------------------
Date: 2/14/0 7:05 AM
From: Donald C. Amador
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Donald C. Amador, 112531,1311
TO: "Amador", INTERNET:brdon_a@sharetrails.org
DATE: 2/14/00 6:03 AM
RE: Copy of: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
Dear M/U Recreation Interests,
Although many of you have already seen the new issue of the Center for
Preventing Road's "Road-RIPorter", I wanted to give you the URL for it
and the recent anti-OHV report called - "Roaring from the Past: ORVs
on America's National Forests."
These publications, once again, show how serious the greens are about
imposing a "functional ban" on public lands of OHV use.
You can see some of the new Road-RIPorter at:
http://www.wildlands.org/WildCPR
where you can also download the new report... "Roaring from
the Past...."
It's going to be a long year.
Don Amador, BRC
Attachment: vcard [not shown]
5674 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 10:32am
Subject: RE:New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000]
Linda - The article cannot be found using the
web-address below, I was able to get their
main website up but cannot find this "Roaring from the
past " article. Can you help me?
Leah
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> FYI
> Linda
>
> Subject: FWD: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:08:13 MST
> From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
> To: Blind *Copy <theslin@p...>
>
> Outdoor Enthusiasts,
> See below, FYI.
>
> --------------------------------------
> Date: 2/14/0 7:05 AM
> From: Donald C. Amador
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
> From: Donald C. Amador, 112531,1311
> TO: "Amador", INTERNET:brdon_a@s...
> DATE: 2/14/00 6:03 AM
>
> RE: Copy of: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
>
> Dear M/U Recreation Interests,
>
> Although many of you have already seen the new issue of the Center for
> Preventing Road's "Road-RIPorter", I wanted to give you the URL for it
> and the recent anti-OHV report called - "Roaring from the Past: ORVs
> on America's National Forests."
>
> These publications, once again, show how serious the greens are about
> imposing a "functional ban" on public lands of OHV use.
>
> You can see some of the new Road-RIPorter at:
>
> http://www.wildlands.org/WildCPR
>
> where you can also download the new report... "Roaring from
> the Past...."
>
> It's going to be a long year.
>
> Don Amador, BRC
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
5675 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 0:06pm
Subject: Re: RE:New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000]
http://www.wildrockies.org/WildCPR/index.html
Leah Eliscu wrote:
>
> Linda - The article cannot be found using the
> web-address below, I was able to get their
> main website up but cannot find this "Roaring from the
> past " article. Can you help me?
>
> Leah
>
> Linda Luik wrote:
> >
> > FYI
> > Linda
> >
> > Subject: FWD: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
> > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:08:13 MST
> > From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
> > To: Blind *Copy <theslin@p...>
> >
> > Outdoor Enthusiasts,
> > See below, FYI.
> >
> > --------------------------------------
> > Date: 2/14/0 7:05 AM
> > From: Donald C. Amador
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> >
> > From: Donald C. Amador, 112531,1311
> > TO: "Amador", INTERNET:brdon_a@s...
> > DATE: 2/14/00 6:03 AM
> >
> > RE: Copy of: New Issue of Road-RIPorter Jan/Feb. 2000
> >
> > Dear M/U Recreation Interests,
> >
> > Although many of you have already seen the new issue of the Center for
> > Preventing Road's "Road-RIPorter", I wanted to give you the URL for it
> > and the recent anti-OHV report called - "Roaring from the Past: ORVs
> > on America's National Forests."
> >
> > These publications, once again, show how serious the greens are about
> > imposing a "functional ban" on public lands of OHV use.
> >
> > You can see some of the new Road-RIPorter at:
> >
> > http://www.wildlands.org/WildCPR
> >
> > where you can also download the new report... "Roaring from
> > the Past...."
> >
> > It's going to be a long year.
> >
> > Don Amador, BRC
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
5676 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 0:19pm
Subject: Road Rip URL Correction
Try this URL:
http://www.wildrockies.org/WildCPR/index.html
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5677 From: Michael Connor <mikec@p...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 0:50pm
Subject: Re: Road Rip URL Correction
Checked out the website; unbelievable what these people
think they're doing. If they really want to protect the
"ecosystem" why don't they file their petitions against
the mining companies; logging companies; oh, and let's
not forget that petition against Mother Nature for those
eco-damaging forest fires. While they're intentions may be
noble enough, they need to stop pounding the drum long
enough to see the real picture. <shrug>
Sorry to vent,
Uncle Mike
Phoenix, AZ.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Luik" <p14175@e...>
To: "4x4 Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@egroups.com>; "steve graham"
<steve.graham@f...>; "Steve Graham"
<stevegraham@w...>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:19 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Road Rip URL Correction
> Try this URL:
> http://www.wildrockies.org/WildCPR/index.html
>
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5678 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 1:02pm
Subject: Re: Road Rip URL Correction
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> Try this URL:
> http://www.wildrockies.org/WildCPR/index.html
>
Thanks Linda and Dave,
I almost wish I had not asked for the correction. :(
That is a very disturbing website.
I read their rhetoric, rights for all species?
What about human species? They will never get away
with all their plans to eliminate OHVs!
Also seems like they like it when
we post pictures of "stuck" vehicles, saying "Just what we deserve"
Keep up the good work people!
Leah
5679 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 2:16pm
Subject: [Fwd: Prescott NF--GWT Dedication 5/20/00]
Terry Heslin wrote:
>
> Outdoor Enthusiasts--MARK YOUR CALENDAR:
>
> On May 20, 2000--the Arizona Chapter of the Great Western Trail Association and the Prescott National Forest will be celebrating the dedication of the Prescott National Forest segment of the Great Western Trail (GWT).
>
> Tentative plans put the celebration on Mingus Mountain, at the Potato Patch Campground area. The GWT is a shared use "Corridor of Discovery" that will traverse backroads and trails from Mexico--through Arizona--to Canada.
> Details on the dedication event will be announced soon--but put that date (May 20) on your calendar now.
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:06:09 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: Prescott NF--GWT Dedication 5/20/00
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts--MARK YOUR CALENDAR:
On May 20, 2000--the Arizona Chapter of the Great Western Trail Association and the Prescott National Forest will be celebrating the dedication of the Prescott National Forest segment of the Great Western Trail (GWT).
Tentative plans put the celebration on Mingus Mountain, at the Potato Patch Campground area. The GWT is a shared use "Corridor of Discovery" that will traverse backroads and trails from Mexico--through Arizona--to Canada.
Details on the dedication event will be announced soon--but put that date (May 20) on your calendar now.
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5680 From: <CoyotEddie@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 11:34am
Subject: Need Transmision Help
I recently aquired a T-18 Ford truck, 4 speed, transmission to put into my 79
CJ5. Its from a 1965 truck, the main gear is showing quit a bit of wear and I
would like to replace it before doing the swap. I am at a loss for were to
get trany parts. I came up with siltch on the web. Any help and feed back
will be greatly appreciated.
The <A HREF="http://donb.photo.net/photo_cd/c/b62.html">Coyote</A>
5681 From: Joe West <joefwest@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 9:07am
Subject: 98TJ Dana 30 Front Axle assembly for Sale...Make Offer.
Hello Everyone,
In about three weeks; I will have a complete Dana 30 Front Axle Assembly
available from my Jeep. If anyone is interested in picking it up for a
spare, let me know. I'd also be willing to part it out if anyone is
interested in the parts. It has the factory 3.73:1 gearing, has always had
synthetic gear oil in it, and is in great condition (okay... there's a few
scratches on the bottom side of it <grin>)
If anyone is interested in it, let me know. I get a $500 deposit back from
Currie by shipping it to them, but I thought if anyone here needed it more;
I'd just sell it locally. If you are interested just respond via email.
Since I only need to send Currie the bare housing so they can tear off the
brackets; I'll have lots of good spare parts available for whoever wants
them.
Regards,
Joe West
>From: "Linda Luik" <p14175@e...>
>Reply-To: linda.luik@M...
>To: 4x4 Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] [Fwd: Prescott NF--GWT Dedication 5/20/00]
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:16:44 -0700
>
>Terry Heslin wrote:
> >
> > Outdoor Enthusiasts--MARK YOUR CALENDAR:
> >
> > On May 20, 2000--the Arizona Chapter of the Great Western Trail
>Association and the Prescott National Forest will be celebrating the
>dedication of the Prescott National Forest segment of the Great Western
>Trail (GWT).
> >
> > Tentative plans put the celebration on Mingus Mountain, at the Potato
>Patch Campground area. The GWT is a shared use "Corridor of Discovery"
>that will traverse backroads and trails from Mexico--through Arizona--to
>Canada.
> > Details on the dedication event will be announced soon--but put that
>date (May 20) on your calendar now.
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5682 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 5:19pm
Subject: Re: Need Transmision Help
coyoteddi-@a... wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5680
> I recently aquired a T-18 Ford truck, 4 speed, transmission to put
into my 79
> CJ5. Its from a 1965 truck, the main gear is showing quit a bit of
wear and I
> would like to replace it before doing the swap. I am at a loss for
were to
> get trany parts. I came up with siltch on the web. Any help and feed
back
> will be greatly appreciated.
>
> The <A HREF="http://donb.photo.net/photo_cd/c/b62.html">Coyote</A>
try calling Brian at AZ Trailwerks in phoenix first. if they cant help,
try 4x4 Recyclers. youll have a better chance with AZ Trailwerks
though. the number is 602 254 1551. i asked them about gettig me an
input shaft for a T18 and they had one there and ready to go. i think i
remember them only wanting like $50 for it too, which is really cheap.
anyways hope this helps and good luck!
Joey
Monosyllabic Guy
5683 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 6:41pm
Subject: 33's with 3" lift on my Cherokee
Hey All,
I just put on 33X9.5" big o XT's....I am lifting it another 1.5" this week
to 4.5 but I thought everyone would want to know the only inference inthe
wheel wells is in the rear of the back wells....a 1/2" nip here and all will
work well....but I still need the additional height to take advantage on the
trails....I also noticed my front brake lines are starting to split from the
articulation...guess its time for extended lines....today!
Brian Harmon
88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/ARB, DAna 30 FRont W/ Gearless LOcker ,3.5 in RE lift
Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,KC's, 33X9.5 Big O XT,
yada, yada, yada.
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5684 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 7:01pm
Subject: Re: 33's with 3" lift on my Cherokee
Doug,
What its not a disease...of an addiction.....I can stop at anytime I tell
you....I can quit cold turkey....not even a gps or new bumper...I tell you I
can quit....errrr.....is there an upgrades amonomyous around here somewhere?
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:53:32 -0700, DougB wrote:
> It's disease, I tell you...a disease. And I've got it too. The upgrades
> never end.
>
> Sounds like your having fun.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: B H <boh105@e...>
> To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:41 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] 33's with 3" lift on my Cherokee
>
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > I just put on 33X9.5" big o XT's....I am lifting it another 1.5" this
week
> > to 4.5 but I thought everyone would want to know the only inference
inthe
> > wheel wells is in the rear of the back wells....a 1/2" nip here and all
> will
> > work well....but I still need the additional height to take advantage
on
> the
> > trails....I also noticed my front brake lines are starting to split
from
> the
> > articulation...guess its time for extended lines....today!
> >
> > Brian Harmon
> > 88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/ARB, DAna 30 FRont W/ Gearless LOcker ,3.5 in RE
lift
> > Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
> > trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,KC's, 33X9.5 Big O
> XT,
> > yada, yada, yada.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,31x10.5 BFG AT's KO's,
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5685 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 7:21pm
Subject: Re: 33's with 3" lift on my Cherokee
Gee,
I think you are on your own there. I cant get my wife to understand...but I
do provide her with a step stool to get in!
Brian Harmon
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:06:59 -0700, eandkm@u... wrote:
> Hey Brian congrats on the 33's. I just lifted my cherokee to 5" last
weekend and
> was going to do a trial fit to see if 33x9.50's would work. Sounds like
they
> will which is great news-for me, not the wife, but those 31x10.50's are
lookin
> small now. Maybe you can help her understand!
>
> B H wrote:
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > I just put on 33X9.5" big o XT's....I am lifting it another 1.5" this
week
> > to 4.5 but I thought everyone would want to know the only inference
inthe
> > wheel wells is in the rear of the back wells....a 1/2" nip here and all
will
> > work well....but I still need the additional height to take advantage
on the
> > trails....I also noticed my front brake lines are starting to split
from the
> > articulation...guess its time for extended lines....today!
> >
> > Brian Harmon
> > 88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/ARB, DAna 30 FRont W/ Gearless LOcker ,3.5 in RE
lift
> > Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
> > trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,KC's, 33X9.5 Big O
XT,
> > yada, yada, yada.
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Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
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5686 From: <gdclark@f...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 7:43pm
Subject: TR:Terminator
What? Terminator trail, class 4
Where? Meet at I-17/Deer Valley McD's
When? Feb 19th at 0730
Terminator is located off of Table Mesa Road
Please reply so I can keep
track of who all is going
Greg
89yj
5687 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:04pm
Subject: Re: more on agua fria
Stu
I first though acording to the site I had posted that the area might have
been included in the Presidents monument area.. I was wrong. The only
information I can find at this time has to do with Cap replenishing the
water aquafer in the area. But I am not absolutely positive of this yet.. I
spent 10hrs last night on the internet searching..
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@u...]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:29 AM
To: O'Boyle, David
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] more on agua fria
Dave,
This signing happened earlier last month. I guess I am missing the point as
to why you are posting it to the group now.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
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-----Original Message-----
From: O'Boyle, David [mailto:David.OBoyle@b...]
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 9:50 PM
To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] more on agua fria
NOW, THEREFORE, I, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, President of the United States of
America, by the authority vested in me by section 2 of the Act of June 8,
1906 (34 Stat. 225, 16 U.S.C. 431), do proclaim that there are hereby set
apart and reserved as the Agua Fria National Monument, for the purpose of
protecting the objects identified above, all lands and interests in lands
owned or controlled by the United States within the boundaries of the area
described on the map entitled "Agua Fria National Monument" attached to and
forming a part of this proclamation. The Federal land and interests in land
reserved consist of approximately 71,100 acres, which is the smallest area
compatible with the proper care and management of the objects to be
protected.
http://azwww.az.blm.gov/aguafria/afriaproc.htm
<http://azwww.az.blm.gov/aguafria/afriaproc.htm>
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5688 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:07pm
Subject: Re: FW: Agua Fria River bed closure
You are right Linda,
I was just trying to blow off some steam... I guess next time I'll just keep
my mouth shut and type somone a letter...
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Luik [mailto:p14175@e...]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:10 AM
To: O'Boyle, David; lmaggio@p...
Cc: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: Agua Fria River bed closure
I thought the Agua Fria NM was north of Black Canyon City -- closer to the
Sunset Point Rest Stop. I didn't think it included any of the West Phoinex
portion of the river bed. I thought that the area that has been used as an
impromptu play area was privately owned.
Regardless of its status I think taking down the barriers would be
considered
trespassing and not only could get you in a lot of trouble but give the
entire
OHV community a back eye and bad press. This is the last thing we need!
Of course, all the folks who regularly use this area could get organized and
take action. The pen is stilll mightier than the backhoe!
Linda
O'Boyle, David wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: O'Boyle, David
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 8:46 PM
> To: 'Larry Maggio'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Agua Fria River bed closure
>
> NO WAY!!!!!!!
>
> DAMN IT!! I'm gonna have to go down there with one of the backhoes and
move
> thoes f@#$%^& barriers!!!!!
> This is Complete B.S.
> Any one know anything on this closure????????????????
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Maggio [mailto:lmaggio@p...]
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 8:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Agua Fria River bed closure
>
> A fellow Jeeper (Steve w/YJ & Revolvers) posted this thread on Jeeps
> Unlimited....
>
> "Well it happened...My favorite wheeling area was officially closed
> yesterday. This place I speak of is affectionatly known as "The River Bed"
> and is about 1.5 miles from my house. On weekends you would normally see
> about 50-60 Jeeps and trucks as well as 30-40 cycles, quads, rails and
many
> other types of off road vehicles. You had quite a diverse terrain to
choose
> from, anywhere from granite boulder hills to large mud pits and everything
> in between including a 200' deep sand pit. This was my playground
> everyweekend for the past two years...it was a gathering place for people
to
> test their rigs and to meet to talk about the next trail run we were going
> to do.
> No more...I was outside working on my CB yesterday and my neighbors
stopped
> by and asked me what happened to my playgroung..."What do you mean?". They
> informed me that there were huge cement pillars and barracades closing off
> the entrance with "No Tresspassing" boldly painted on them.
>
> I couldn't believe this so I had to drive by to check it out. Sure enough,
> completely blocked off...it brought a tear to my eye."
>
> He is talking about the area out on Cambelback in the 115ish ave. I bet it
> is the most popular offroad area in the state.
>
> Larry
5689 From: Thane Madrid <thane@t...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 8:58pm
Subject: Re: Road Rip URL Correction
Comments like "If they really want to protect the
"ecosystem" why don't they file their petitions against
the mining companies; logging companies;" is the whole reason our
sport is going to become extinct. If we plan on beating this thing then
it is going to take everyones help. The Logger, the Miner, the Rancher,
the 4X4er, the skier, the Snowboarder, the Hunter, the 4wheeler, the
Hiker everyone. People, this is what our opposition is doing. They are
all getting togather and slowly picking off one group at a time. So
lets all unite and help each other.
Thane Madrid
97TJ
"michael connor" <mike-@p...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5677
> Checked out the website; unbelievable what these people
> think they're doing. If they really want to protect the
> "ecosystem" why don't they file their petitions against
> the mining companies; logging companies; oh, and let's
> not forget that petition against Mother Nature for those
> eco-damaging forest fires. While they're intentions may be
> noble enough, they need to stop pounding the drum long
> enough to see the real picture. <shrug>
>
> Sorry to vent,
>
> Uncle Mike
> Phoenix, AZ.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Luik" <p14175@e...>
> To: "4x4 Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@egroups.com>; "steve graham"
> <steve.graham@f...>; "Steve Graham"
> <stevegraham@w...>
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:19 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Road Rip URL Correction
>
>
> > Try this URL:
> > http://www.wildrockies.org/WildCPR/index.html
> >
5690 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon Feb 14, 2000 10:29pm
Subject: Dead Cherokee (HELP Needed!)
Okay all,
Here's your chance to play hero, and diagnose (and possibly even fix)
this ol' boy's dead 89 Cherokee. I recently went out to Saguaro Lake on
my own (bad form, old chap!) and killed the engine on a steep hillclimb.
I had to back it about 100 yards downhill to turn around, and even then
it would not start. It did finally start by digging the wheels out and
pointing downhill to bumpstart it. I had to do that several more times
that day, but it worked starting at least that way. Since then, I have
been unable to start it (the starter doesn't even click, although the
battery is good and the fuel pump pressurizes)
I was able to get it towed to my ex's house where she let me work in the
garage. I replaced the Crankshaft Position Sensor, and it actually did
start for me. It started several more times during the afternoon, and I
thought I had it fixed. There was a new whistle that I hadn't heard
before, related to engine speed, not vacuum. Couldn't find it though.
Then I went back over to her house to play with my kids, and when I tried
starting it again, I got about a half-crank and then 'clunk' Again, I am
back to a non-starting issue.
So.......anybody got any ideas?
Jim Yucca-man@j...
Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://azvjc.web.com
89 Cherokee (RIP) 73 CJ5 (RIP)
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