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5489 From: Todd Ahern <tahern@u...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 10:07am
Subject: Terminator Run
Planning a run on Terminator. Feb 19th. POC is Todd Ahern, or Gregg
Clark. As of this time we are planning to meet at the McDonalds on Dear
vally road. at 0700 and leave at 0730. Trail is rated a (3+, 4)
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5490 From: Lon Robinson <robinson@l...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:15pm
Subject: Half-fast report on Crown King run
We had 6 Jeeps, 5 TJ's and one Cherokee. I am sorry but I am not
very good with names (but I do remember the Jeeps), and I apologize to
those whose names I either don't remember or get wrong. We left the
meeting spot about 8:20 and proceeded to the trailhead after stopping
to air down and disconnect. The first half of the trail (before the
lunch stop in the National Forest) was pretty uneventful, although at
the first obstacle, Andy (black TJ) managed to get slightly sideways
and had to deal with the pucker factor for a few moments until he got
it straightened out. Everyone else did well on that hill (and all the
rest of the first half of the trail) including the Tan unlifted (but
rear locked) Cherokee (sorry, I completely spaced the name), and Dale
in the stock TJ. We stopped for a break at the wide spot just inside
the Forest boundry, and unfortunately, Dale found a spike in the ground
that put a nice gash in the sidewall of his left front. I got a chance
to use my newly purchased 12 volt impact wrench to help change it. (It
worked great, made quick work of a tire change). We then started the
second half of the trail. At the first obstacle (the 2 foot step with
no bypass), there was a non-lifted, stock tires, extended cab Z71 truck
high centered on the rocks when we got there (DUH, when will they learn
that those trucks are too low and long to make it over those rocks?)
After about 45 minutes work, we managed to get him over the hump and it
was our turn. The first 3 TJ's went over OK, but the Cherokee got high
centered. After a little tugging forward and then backwards, we got
him unstuck and his next line proved better and he cleared the rocks.
(learned later that the rock did take their toll on his transfer case
skid) Dale got the stock TJ hung up pretty good, sprouting a brake
fluid leak from the right front. Luckily, it was just a fitting that
got loosened by a rock, and stopped leaking when tightened. After
getting pulled free, he got a better line on the rocks and walked up it
without a problem. I had the benefit of being tail end Charlie for
this obstacle, and was able to duplicate the successful line and
cleared it with no problem. The rest of the trip was pretty
uneventful, but on one kind of loose hill, I did have to back up and
give it a second try. The score on this run is Tomken gas tank skid -
1, Skid-row engine skid - 1, rocks - 0 :-) All in all, I think a good
time was had by all, I know that I had a great time, and thanks to Andy
for putting it together. (Hopefully my better half will be able to come
along next time)
Lon
Red 98 TJ
5491 From: Lon Robinson <robinson@l...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:22pm
Subject: 12 volt impact wrench
I found (and bought 2 of, one for the car and one for the Jeep) a
12 volt impact wrench. It comes with the sockets for the common lugnut
sizes, and unless some gorilla with a lug wrench has over-torqued your
lugnuts, will easily loosen and re-tighten you lugnuts should you need
to change a tire. It came from a company called Damark, www.damark.com
, and is listed under Auto tools. The cost is 39.99 plus shipping (a
little high at 9.99). the item number is 40380-686437.
Lon
5492 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:34pm
Subject: Re: Half-fast report on Crown King run
You can add the fact that the high centering of the XJ bent the
crossmember up about 1/4"-1/2". Time for a new crossmember and skidpan
but at least the trasfer case is unhurt. Teach me to try the high line.
Lon Robinson wrote:
>
> We had 6 Jeeps, 5 TJ's and one Cherokee. I am sorry but I am not
> very good with names (but I do remember the Jeeps), and I apologize to
> those whose names I either don't remember or get wrong. We left the
> meeting spot about 8:20 and proceeded to the trailhead after stopping
> to air down and disconnect. The first half of the trail (before the
> lunch stop in the National Forest) was pretty uneventful, although at
> the first obstacle, Andy (black TJ) managed to get slightly sideways
> and had to deal with the pucker factor for a few moments until he got
> it straightened out. Everyone else did well on that hill (and all the
> rest of the first half of the trail) including the Tan unlifted (but
> rear locked) Cherokee (sorry, I completely spaced the name), and Dale
> in the stock TJ. We stopped for a break at the wide spot just inside
> the Forest boundry, and unfortunately, Dale found a spike in the ground
> that put a nice gash in the sidewall of his left front. I got a chance
> to use my newly purchased 12 volt impact wrench to help change it. (It
> worked great, made quick work of a tire change). We then started the
> second half of the trail. At the first obstacle (the 2 foot step with
> no bypass), there was a non-lifted, stock tires, extended cab Z71 truck
> high centered on the rocks when we got there (DUH, when will they learn
> that those trucks are too low and long to make it over those rocks?)
> After about 45 minutes work, we managed to get him over the hump and it
> was our turn. The first 3 TJ's went over OK, but the Cherokee got high
> centered. After a little tugging forward and then backwards, we got
> him unstuck and his next line proved better and he cleared the rocks.
> (learned later that the rock did take their toll on his transfer case
> skid) Dale got the stock TJ hung up pretty good, sprouting a brake
> fluid leak from the right front. Luckily, it was just a fitting that
> got loosened by a rock, and stopped leaking when tightened. After
> getting pulled free, he got a better line on the rocks and walked up it
> without a problem. I had the benefit of being tail end Charlie for
> this obstacle, and was able to duplicate the successful line and
> cleared it with no problem. The rest of the trip was pretty
> uneventful, but on one kind of loose hill, I did have to back up and
> give it a second try. The score on this run is Tomken gas tank skid -
> 1, Skid-row engine skid - 1, rocks - 0 :-) All in all, I think a good
> time was had by all, I know that I had a great time, and thanks to Andy
> for putting it together. (Hopefully my better half will be able to come
> along next time)
>
> Lon
> Red 98 TJ
>
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5493 From: JAMES FLOWERS <jamesflowers67@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 11:36am
Subject: Re: Fw: Your demands have been met
thank you ..... this is to talk aobut jeeps not morals
>From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
>To: az_vjc@m...
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Your demands have been met
>Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 08:37:10 -0700
>
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5494 From: Lon <robinson@l...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:45pm
Subject: Re: Half-fast report on Crown King run
At least the expensive parts were saved. The things that some people will
do to convince the wife to let them get a lift kit!! :-)
Lon
Red 98TJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
To: Lon Robinson <robinson@l...>
Cc: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Half-fast report on Crown King run
> You can add the fact that the high centering of the XJ bent the
> crossmember up about 1/4"-1/2". Time for a new crossmember and skidpan
> but at least the trasfer case is unhurt. Teach me to try the high line.
>
> Lon Robinson wrote:
> >
> > We had 6 Jeeps, 5 TJ's and one Cherokee. I am sorry but I am not
> > very good with names (but I do remember the Jeeps), and I apologize to
> > those whose names I either don't remember or get wrong. We left the
> > meeting spot about 8:20 and proceeded to the trailhead after stopping
> > to air down and disconnect. The first half of the trail (before the
> > lunch stop in the National Forest) was pretty uneventful, although at
> > the first obstacle, Andy (black TJ) managed to get slightly sideways
> > and had to deal with the pucker factor for a few moments until he got
> > it straightened out. Everyone else did well on that hill (and all the
> > rest of the first half of the trail) including the Tan unlifted (but
> > rear locked) Cherokee (sorry, I completely spaced the name), and Dale
> > in the stock TJ. We stopped for a break at the wide spot just inside
> > the Forest boundry, and unfortunately, Dale found a spike in the ground
> > that put a nice gash in the sidewall of his left front. I got a chance
> > to use my newly purchased 12 volt impact wrench to help change it. (It
> > worked great, made quick work of a tire change). We then started the
> > second half of the trail. At the first obstacle (the 2 foot step with
> > no bypass), there was a non-lifted, stock tires, extended cab Z71 truck
> > high centered on the rocks when we got there (DUH, when will they learn
> > that those trucks are too low and long to make it over those rocks?)
> > After about 45 minutes work, we managed to get him over the hump and it
> > was our turn. The first 3 TJ's went over OK, but the Cherokee got high
> > centered. After a little tugging forward and then backwards, we got
> > him unstuck and his next line proved better and he cleared the rocks.
> > (learned later that the rock did take their toll on his transfer case
> > skid) Dale got the stock TJ hung up pretty good, sprouting a brake
> > fluid leak from the right front. Luckily, it was just a fitting that
> > got loosened by a rock, and stopped leaking when tightened. After
> > getting pulled free, he got a better line on the rocks and walked up it
> > without a problem. I had the benefit of being tail end Charlie for
> > this obstacle, and was able to duplicate the successful line and
> > cleared it with no problem. The rest of the trip was pretty
> > uneventful, but on one kind of loose hill, I did have to back up and
> > give it a second try. The score on this run is Tomken gas tank skid -
> > 1, Skid-row engine skid - 1, rocks - 0 :-) All in all, I think a good
> > time was had by all, I know that I had a great time, and thanks to Andy
> > for putting it together. (Hopefully my better half will be able to come
> > along next time)
> >
> > Lon
> > Red 98 TJ
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
5495 From: Aaron <Scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 7:45pm
Subject: Table Mesa Camping Trip Report......
Hey guys,
This weekend was a blast. We all met up at 10am at the Southeast corner of I-17 and Carefree Highway instead of Northeast like I mentioned in my earlier posts. Melinda screwed up and the others followed suit. There we ten Jeeps total for the run, Scott and Theresa in his TJ, Melinda in her TJ, Rick Van Hazel and Amanda in his TJ, Tom in his XJ, Larry in his TJ, Felix and wife in their TJ, Chip and his friend(sorry, I forgot his name) in Chip's YJ, Nick(Felix's son) and his girlfriend in NIck's TJ, Aminda and her friend in her YJ and last but not least, me and my girlfreind in my TJ. Everything went as scheduled, we left the lot at about 10:30 and went straight to the trailhead. Nick left the group for about a half hour to try to repair his spare tire that had a hole in it and later joined back up with us. I wasn't too sure where FR41 begins because I have only taken it from Seven Springs to I-17 but nevertheless, I found it. There were some really nice sights along the way, including the actual Table Mesa. The first real obsticle that we found off the trail came when I saw an opening to go down to a dried up riverbed, it was a rock that actually tested articulation really well. Scott K was the first to try it and never had a tire leave the ground. Rick was next and as with Scott, his flex was enough to keep all fours on the ground. Tom wanted to try it next and succeeded in making it up. His right rear tire came off the ground about 6 inches. That was the last of people that wanted to try it so we headed down the road some more. The next obsticle that was found to be kind of amusing came almost where FR41 meets FR24. It was a huge sand pit type thing with really loose gravel. Scott K was again the first to try it. He got about 3/4 of the way up and started spinning his tires. At the same time, Rick drove up from behind Scott and succeeded in making short work of the hill. After one more attempt, Scott managed to make it up the hill. Sorry Scott, sometimes, you have to let someone else steal the glory :-). Tom was the next to try the hill and managed to make it about 3/4 of the way up and started spinning his tires. He decided to back down and we left for the camp site. We reached the camp site at about 2:30 and set up our tents. A couple of us decided to go out romping after everything was set up. I remembered seeing a really nice trail before on this road so we set out to find it. After about 30 minutes we got sick of looking and decided to take a trail that we had found on the way. Larry and Tom at this point decided to head for home. The particular trail turned out to offer nothing of interest to us so we decided to take a powerline road instead. The powerline trail seemed to have a little more to offer than we were expecting. We took the trail for about 2 miles when we started seeing little rock piles in the middle of the road. Since none of us speak rock language and there were no closed signs, we just kept going. After about another half mile, we saw it. The best obsticle of the trip. An old bridge that was rotted out with only half the wood remaining and nothing but beams on both sides. Fortunatly, the beams were spaced out just bearly enough to allow a Jeep to get across. If you misjudged the beams, it was about a 15-18 foot drop. Scott K did all the spotting and Chip's YJ was the only vehicle to do the obsticle. After he made it across, he scouted ahead on the trail looking for a way out to the main road. It was getting close to dark and we just wanted a way out. Chip returned about 15 minutes later and informed us that it was a dead end. From that point, Scott again spotted Chip across the bridge and we left back for the camping site. Scott decided to bail home when we got to the main road so the rest of us headed back. The ladies back at the site had made a fire(good job by the way) and we warmed up pretty quickly. The camping portion of the trip was maybe the funnest part. We all sat around the fire and talked and got to know each other. Some of us decided to take a little of the chill out of the air with a bottle of rum that Rick had brought with him After about five or six shots of rum, things started to become a blur to me but I do know one thing, we all had a fun night. I'm hoping that we can do this again sometime. It was a pleasure meeting everyone that showed up. Since my girlfriend was one of the only people to bring a camcorder, I will be endevouring to make some stills of the fun stuff as well as maybe an mpg or two. Hopefully I can get them done sometime in the next day or so. If I don't find a job, that won't be a problem. Anyone know of any job openings for an out of work techie? Well, that's it....hope my first trail report EVER doesn't put you all to sleep or anything. Hope to take a run with you all again soon.
Aaron
5496 From: Lon <robinson@l...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 8:05pm
Subject: Re: Terminator Run
Kathy and I are interested, the TJ is 2"lifted, disco's, LSD rear, and stock 30x9.50. Any problems there? How is the possibility of a little bit later starting time (we live in Cordes Junction) and meeting at 7:00 makes us get up awfully early for a Saturday.
Lon and Kathy
Red 98TJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Ahern
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 11:07 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Terminator Run
Planning a run on Terminator. Feb 19th. POC is Todd Ahern, or Gregg
Clark. As of this time we are planning to meet at the McDonalds on Dear
vally road. at 0700 and leave at 0730. Trail is rated a (3+, 4)
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5497 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Table Mesa Camping Trip Report......
Aaron,
Thanks for putting the trip together and for choosing a time that wasnt so rough on us 'late to rise' types :)
Enjoyed the day out in the Jeep with the great weather and company. Yummm, I can still taste the dust!
Anyone get a pic of that Donkey & the Jeep?
Regards,
LarryM
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 8:45 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Camping Trip Report......
Hey guys,
This weekend was a blast. We all met up at 10am at the Southeast corner of I-17 and Carefree Highway instead of Northeast like I mentioned in my earlier posts. Melinda screwed up and the others followed suit. There we ten Jeeps total for the run, Scott and Theresa in his TJ, Melinda in her TJ, Rick Van Hazel and Amanda in his TJ, Tom in his XJ, Larry in his TJ, Felix and wife in their TJ, Chip and his friend(sorry, I forgot his name) in Chip's YJ, Nick(Felix's son) and his girlfriend in NIck's TJ, Aminda and her friend in her YJ and last but not least, me and my girlfreind in my TJ. Everything went as scheduled, we left the lot at about 10:30 and went straight to the trailhead. Nick left the group for about a half hour to try to repair his spare tire that had a hole in it and later joined back up with us. I wasn't too sure where FR41 begins because I have only taken it from Seven Springs to I-17 but nevertheless, I found it. There were some really nice sights along the way, including the actual Table Mesa. The first real obsticle that we found off the trail came when I saw an opening to go down to a dried up riverbed, it was a rock that actually tested articulation really well. Scott K was the first to try it and never had a tire leave the ground. Rick was next and as with Scott, his flex was enough to keep all fours on the ground. Tom wanted to try it next and succeeded in making it up. His right rear tire came off the ground about 6 inches. That was the last of people that wanted to try it so we headed down the road some more. The next obsticle that was found to be kind of amusing came almost where FR41 meets FR24. It was a huge sand pit type thing with really loose gravel. Scott K was again the first to try it. He got about 3/4 of the way up and started spinning his tires. At the same time, Rick drove up from behind Scott and succeeded in making short work of the hill. After one more attempt, Scott managed to make it up the hill. Sorry Scott, sometimes, you have to let someone else steal the glory :-). Tom was the next to try the hill and managed to make it about 3/4 of the way up and started spinning his tires. He decided to back down and we left for the camp site. We reached the camp site at about 2:30 and set up our tents. A couple of us decided to go out romping after everything was set up. I remembered seeing a really nice trail before on this road so we set out to find it. After about 30 minutes we got sick of looking and decided to take a trail that we had found on the way. Larry and Tom at this point decided to head for home. The particular trail turned out to offer nothing of interest to us so we decided to take a powerline road instead. The powerline trail seemed to have a little more to offer than we were expecting. We took the trail for about 2 miles when we started seeing little rock piles in the middle of the road. Since none of us speak rock language and there were no closed signs, we just kept going. After about another half mile, we saw it. The best obsticle of the trip. An old bridge that was rotted out with only half the wood remaining and nothing but beams on both sides. Fortunatly, the beams were spaced out just bearly enough to allow a Jeep to get across. If you misjudged the beams, it was about a 15-18 foot drop. Scott K did all the spotting and Chip's YJ was the only vehicle to do the obsticle. After he made it across, he scouted ahead on the trail looking for a way out to the main road. It was getting close to dark and we just wanted a way out. Chip returned about 15 minutes later and informed us that it was a dead end. From that point, Scott again spotted Chip across the bridge and we left back for the camping site. Scott decided to bail home when we got to the main road so the rest of us headed back. The ladies back at the site had made a fire(good job by the way) and we warmed up pretty quickly. The camping portion of the trip was maybe the funnest part. We all sat around the fire and talked and got to know each other. Some of us decided to take a little of the chill out of the air with a bottle of rum that Rick had brought with him After about five or six shots of rum, things started to become a blur to me but I do know one thing, we all had a fun night. I'm hoping that we can do this again sometime. It was a pleasure meeting everyone that showed up. Since my girlfriend was one of the only people to bring a camcorder, I will be endevouring to make some stills of the fun stuff as well as maybe an mpg or two. Hopefully I can get them done sometime in the next day or so. If I don't find a job, that won't be a problem. Anyone know of any job openings for an out of work techie? Well, that's it....hope my first trail report EVER doesn't put you all to sleep or anything. Hope to take a run with you all again soon.
Aaron
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5498 From: Felix Santi <fes@u...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 8:32pm
Subject: Re: az_vjc] Table Mesa Camping Trip Report......
It was a fun trip and a good leader. I know that cause I kept seeing that dust cloud in front of me.
Till next time
5499 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 10:24am
Subject: Re: Terminator Run
Todd,
Is this "THE" Terminator off of Table Mesa Road (heading West)?
I was under the impression that this trail is considered world class rock
crawling Jeep bait. I walked it a couple of weeks ago and there was more
dino oil marking the way in/out than I had ever seen on any trail before.
The person I was with at the time was telling me that he has watched drivers
pretty much destroy their vehicle in 15 minutes on that trail.
I was just asking because of the 3+, 4 rating you gave it.
Stu
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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Ahern [mailto:tahern@u...]
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 11:08 AM
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Terminator Run
Planning a run on Terminator. Feb 19th. POC is Todd Ahern, or Gregg
Clark. As of this time we are planning to meet at the McDonalds on Dear
vally road. at 0700 and leave at 0730. Trail is rated a (3+, 4)
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5500 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:28am
Subject: Re: gearless
I just made my frist trip with the gearless in the front of the XJ and I am
impressed! I jsut got back from the Parker trip and did several real tough
trails and it worked jsut as advertized off orad and its wonderful on the
street...I did snake bite canyon on saturday and was only locked in the
front the arb was missing a fitting to get it running.
On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:49:55 -0700, lpennock@c...
wrote:
> How do you like the gearless in the front?
>
> > Brian Harmon
> > 88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/arb, DAna 30 Front w/gearless locker,3.5 in RE
lift
> > Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
> > trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,31x10.5 BFG AT's
KO's,
> > KC's, yada, yada, yada.
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5501 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:37am
Subject: Re: Terminator Run
Yep! This is THE Terminator. We walked it on Saturday since we didn't have
time to run it. I talked to a guy who ran it a few years ago. He said that it
has progressively gotten easier over the years because so many people have run
it. But don't be fooled. It is still a 4 in my book. Todd just likes to make
it seem easy!! ;-) Off from that there is a trail called Anaconda. I've posted
pictures of Anaconda at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=189155&a=1742181
Anyway, maybe we'll see you there?
--
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Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
5502 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:49am
Subject: XJ Skid Pans
Since I destroyed my xfercase skid plate on Sunday I'm in the market for
something better than the stock one. (Something about having ripped the
bolts out of the frame.
I have the NP242 Xfer case. Tomken machine makes a plate. I know that
everyone seems to like their stuff. Is there any other manufacture I
should look at?
--
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find that they very rarely lose or fail.
5503 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:51am
Subject: Re: Terminator Run
Lon,
You could go but I would SERIOUSLY doubt you would make it past the
first obstacles. I am running 4" lift, locker in the front, limited
slip in the rear, 33X14 Swamper Boggers and I am very concerned that I
might not make it. So I think the TJ might be over its head here. I
mean no disrespect. Believe me I've seen nearly stock TJs do more than
alot of other vehicles, but Terminator is pretty nasty. You could
always come along and decide once you get there. At the very least you
would get to watch some people tear up some nice vehicles ;-). Raw Deal
would be a perfect run for you. It is actually just off the dirt road
that leads to Terminator. We could show you the way. I am going to
post pictures of Raw Deal on Photopoint. Look for another email to the
group on Raw Deal.
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----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
Lon wrote:
> Kathy and I are interested, the TJ is 2"lifted, disco's, LSD rear, and
> stock 30x9.50. Any problems there? How is the possibility of a
> little bit later starting time (we live in Cordes Junction) and
> meeting at 7:00 makes us get up awfully early for a Saturday. Lon and
> KathyRed 98TJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Todd Ahern
> To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 11:07 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Terminator Run
>
>
Planning a run on Terminator. Feb 19th. POC is Todd Ahern, or Gregg
Clark. As of this time we are planning to meet at the McDonalds on Dear
vally road. at 0700 and leave at 0730. Trail is rated a (3+, 4)
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5504 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:51am
Subject: Re: Fw: Your demands have been met
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> AMEN.
> At 08:25 AM 2/5/2000 -0700, Leonard K. Pennock wrote:
>
> > I've now said all I'm going to say on this because I don't believe
> > that
> > AZ_VJC is for politicial discussions which is what this is becoming.
OK, then. We'll see you two on the trails.
No.
Wait.
There won't be any.
Too bad you two chose _not_ to stand up for what was right.
P.S. The group description DOES state that the group is for "off-road
trips and related local Jeep and backcountry topics" and "a love for
off-roading Arizona." While Glamis isn't quite AZ, you're very naive if
you think what happens there will not affect our local Jeep and
backcountry access.
5505 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:53am
Subject: Raw Deal Pics
I have posted some pictures I took of Raw Deal at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=189155&a=1755675
We had a great time and no casualties can be reported. Probably won't be
able to say the same after having run Terminator in two weeks!!!!!!!
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
5506 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:58am
Subject: Re: Fw: Your demands have been met
JAMES FLOWERS wrote:
>
> thank you ..... this is to talk aobut jeeps not morals
>
Sure hope you like Chrome and Pretty Paint Jobs, because that's all
we'll be talking about here once all the land is finished being closed
due to incidents like this.
5507 From: <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 6:19am
Subject: Photos of Parker 2-00
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5508 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 6:30am
Subject: Parker trip
A trip for the record books. I've sent some photos to the group. The trails
shown in the photos were in the 4 to 4.5 range (there were some 3 to 4
trails also that some did). All in all, there were about 35 Jeeps on Sat.
doing 3 runs, and probably 25 or so on Sun (3 runs). The trails were
fantastic, and the Parker 4 Wheelers were great.
There was some body damage on most of the trips, and some mechanical
breaks...including a broken axle, broken tie rod end, busted axle u-joint,
separated driveshaft, broken water pump and radiator, and several tires off
the bead.
Can't wait for Desert Splash in Nov!
Doug
5509 From: <CoyotEddie@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 2:09am
Subject: Re: Photos of Parker 2-00
Great photos looks and sounds like you had a blast.
Doug, have you tried this place <A HREF="http://www.ofoto.com/">Welcome to
Ofoto</A> for uploading photos? There is one excellent feature, that is, the
photos can be viewed as a slide show which saves much time for us viewers.
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5510 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 7:48am
Subject: Re: Red Creek Environmental Assessment
No...it's not on line, as best I know. I'd think you could get a copy from
the Cave Creek Ranger District (480-595-3300). It's about 54 pages long.
Comments concerning the Assessment should be sent to :
Delvin R. Lopez
District Ranger
Cave Creek Ranger District
40202 N. Cave Creek Road
Scottsdale, Az 85262
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
To: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Cc: Joe Ruby <JoeRuby@w...>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 7:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Red Creek Environmental Assessment
> Doug,
>
> Is the info you referenced available on-line? I would very much like to
> review it. Any info you can give, or a direction you can point me in,
would
> be very much appreciated.
>
> I spent an over-nighter on Red Creek in December and it was most
beautiful.
> I agree that the vehicle impact appears to be quite limited, especially
when
> compared to other areas. I do hope we don't loose this one. If anyone in
> the group has never taken up a cause and feels like now is the time, you
are
> absolutely right.
>
> Thanks......Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 6:00 PM
> To: Jeep AzVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Red Creek Environmental Assessment
>
>
> The E.A. is fresh off the presses on Red Creek. The objective is to
> "...minimize or eliminate the adverse impacts of FR18 on riparian habitat
> along Red Creek". Basically, the proposal states that "Forest Road #18
> would be closed or access would be limited". The study lists 6
> alternative...with the Cave Creek District Ranger being responsible for
> deciding which alternative will be implemented. the alternatives deal w/
> grazing policy as well as possible road closure. For the purpose of this
> e-mail, I'll only summarize the alternatives as they relate to FR18.
>
> Alternative A: Basically, keeping things as they are. Road would stay
open.
>
> Alternative B, C, D, E, and F - close or limit access to FR18. They're
> recommended alternative is C - which deals w/ limited grazing.
>
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5511 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 9:50am
Subject: Crown King photos
Photos from the Crown King run Sunday Feb. 6
<http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1757799>
We had a great run with mostly minor mishaps and a bit of under body
destruction. We faired better than the full size Z71 that got high
centered, however. We spent a good 30 minutes trying to get him dislodged.
We spent another 30 minutes getting 2 of our own dislodged also, and after
a busted brake line scare on Dale's TJ (it was actually a loosened bleed
valve!) we were on our way with no further problems.
Great run and well led, Andy. Many thanks.
These were captured from Digital video taken with a Sony TVR315. If anyone
on that ride wants a copy of the video on CD, email me your address. There
is some great footage of everyone.
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
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5512 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 10:21am
Subject: Politics
If we do not use every method of communication to organize
our thoughts and efforts to save our way of life it is OVER!
If all we are looking for is fun and parts then hang it up
and go buy a GEO Metro now while you can still sell your
Jeep. This medium is MADE for ALL kinds of thoughts and
ideas.
Just keeping your head down quite and not working together
will ensure that the only way any of us or our kids will see
this country will be by Sneaker Jeep.
Remember who your friends are and who wants you to become
EXTINCT. [Instead of some rock lizard.]
To end my soap box entry, "Can't we (AZVJC) all just get
along?"
5513 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 10:31am
Subject: Parker Run
Hey All,
I want to thank all of you who helped me and or spotted for me this weekend
in parker....it was a great trip and there are two things I learned...Its
great to wheel witha good group of people.....A 3" lift is not enough! and
31" tires can get you into toruble!
On saturday we ran snake bite and drove all the way through didnt need to
winch as a few of the landcruisers did....but did have to stack a few rocks
to get my bumper over a few of the obsticles...all went well until a
fullsized Chevy decided to use all the HP his 454 would put out and spun a
tire of the rim and lodged himself firmly into a crevice on one of the water
falls.....2 hours later we where moving again..only one ding on saturday
Sunday we ran presidents choice trail...very tight and very few spotters on
some of the trail...here I suffered the most damage....bit by a
tree....wedged between several canyon walls....the rear quarters took the
worst of it...I think it is time for some aluminium diamond plate quarter
panel guards.....I ran the first day with just the front locked and the
second day with both locked....The gearless in the front worked flawlessly
both days.....the arb with co2 power worked great the second day....now I
just have to put in the switch and selenoid to activate the valve and all
will be grand!
All in all it was a great weekend..thanks again to you all and maybe see you
guys in lake havasu next month?
Brian Harmon
88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/arb, DAna 30 FRont with gearless,3.5 in RE lift
Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,31x10.5 BFG AT's KO's,
KC's, yada, yada, yada.
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5489 From: Todd Ahern <tahern@u...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 10:07am
Subject: Terminator Run
Planning a run on Terminator. Feb 19th. POC is Todd Ahern, or Gregg
Clark. As of this time we are planning to meet at the McDonalds on Dear
vally road. at 0700 and leave at 0730. Trail is rated a (3+, 4)
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5490 From: Lon Robinson <robinson@l...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:15pm
Subject: Half-fast report on Crown King run
We had 6 Jeeps, 5 TJ's and one Cherokee. I am sorry but I am not
very good with names (but I do remember the Jeeps), and I apologize to
those whose names I either don't remember or get wrong. We left the
meeting spot about 8:20 and proceeded to the trailhead after stopping
to air down and disconnect. The first half of the trail (before the
lunch stop in the National Forest) was pretty uneventful, although at
the first obstacle, Andy (black TJ) managed to get slightly sideways
and had to deal with the pucker factor for a few moments until he got
it straightened out. Everyone else did well on that hill (and all the
rest of the first half of the trail) including the Tan unlifted (but
rear locked) Cherokee (sorry, I completely spaced the name), and Dale
in the stock TJ. We stopped for a break at the wide spot just inside
the Forest boundry, and unfortunately, Dale found a spike in the ground
that put a nice gash in the sidewall of his left front. I got a chance
to use my newly purchased 12 volt impact wrench to help change it. (It
worked great, made quick work of a tire change). We then started the
second half of the trail. At the first obstacle (the 2 foot step with
no bypass), there was a non-lifted, stock tires, extended cab Z71 truck
high centered on the rocks when we got there (DUH, when will they learn
that those trucks are too low and long to make it over those rocks?)
After about 45 minutes work, we managed to get him over the hump and it
was our turn. The first 3 TJ's went over OK, but the Cherokee got high
centered. After a little tugging forward and then backwards, we got
him unstuck and his next line proved better and he cleared the rocks.
(learned later that the rock did take their toll on his transfer case
skid) Dale got the stock TJ hung up pretty good, sprouting a brake
fluid leak from the right front. Luckily, it was just a fitting that
got loosened by a rock, and stopped leaking when tightened. After
getting pulled free, he got a better line on the rocks and walked up it
without a problem. I had the benefit of being tail end Charlie for
this obstacle, and was able to duplicate the successful line and
cleared it with no problem. The rest of the trip was pretty
uneventful, but on one kind of loose hill, I did have to back up and
give it a second try. The score on this run is Tomken gas tank skid -
1, Skid-row engine skid - 1, rocks - 0 :-) All in all, I think a good
time was had by all, I know that I had a great time, and thanks to Andy
for putting it together. (Hopefully my better half will be able to come
along next time)
Lon
Red 98 TJ
5491 From: Lon Robinson <robinson@l...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:22pm
Subject: 12 volt impact wrench
I found (and bought 2 of, one for the car and one for the Jeep) a
12 volt impact wrench. It comes with the sockets for the common lugnut
sizes, and unless some gorilla with a lug wrench has over-torqued your
lugnuts, will easily loosen and re-tighten you lugnuts should you need
to change a tire. It came from a company called Damark, www.damark.com
, and is listed under Auto tools. The cost is 39.99 plus shipping (a
little high at 9.99). the item number is 40380-686437.
Lon
5492 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:34pm
Subject: Re: Half-fast report on Crown King run
You can add the fact that the high centering of the XJ bent the
crossmember up about 1/4"-1/2". Time for a new crossmember and skidpan
but at least the trasfer case is unhurt. Teach me to try the high line.
Lon Robinson wrote:
>
> We had 6 Jeeps, 5 TJ's and one Cherokee. I am sorry but I am not
> very good with names (but I do remember the Jeeps), and I apologize to
> those whose names I either don't remember or get wrong. We left the
> meeting spot about 8:20 and proceeded to the trailhead after stopping
> to air down and disconnect. The first half of the trail (before the
> lunch stop in the National Forest) was pretty uneventful, although at
> the first obstacle, Andy (black TJ) managed to get slightly sideways
> and had to deal with the pucker factor for a few moments until he got
> it straightened out. Everyone else did well on that hill (and all the
> rest of the first half of the trail) including the Tan unlifted (but
> rear locked) Cherokee (sorry, I completely spaced the name), and Dale
> in the stock TJ. We stopped for a break at the wide spot just inside
> the Forest boundry, and unfortunately, Dale found a spike in the ground
> that put a nice gash in the sidewall of his left front. I got a chance
> to use my newly purchased 12 volt impact wrench to help change it. (It
> worked great, made quick work of a tire change). We then started the
> second half of the trail. At the first obstacle (the 2 foot step with
> no bypass), there was a non-lifted, stock tires, extended cab Z71 truck
> high centered on the rocks when we got there (DUH, when will they learn
> that those trucks are too low and long to make it over those rocks?)
> After about 45 minutes work, we managed to get him over the hump and it
> was our turn. The first 3 TJ's went over OK, but the Cherokee got high
> centered. After a little tugging forward and then backwards, we got
> him unstuck and his next line proved better and he cleared the rocks.
> (learned later that the rock did take their toll on his transfer case
> skid) Dale got the stock TJ hung up pretty good, sprouting a brake
> fluid leak from the right front. Luckily, it was just a fitting that
> got loosened by a rock, and stopped leaking when tightened. After
> getting pulled free, he got a better line on the rocks and walked up it
> without a problem. I had the benefit of being tail end Charlie for
> this obstacle, and was able to duplicate the successful line and
> cleared it with no problem. The rest of the trip was pretty
> uneventful, but on one kind of loose hill, I did have to back up and
> give it a second try. The score on this run is Tomken gas tank skid -
> 1, Skid-row engine skid - 1, rocks - 0 :-) All in all, I think a good
> time was had by all, I know that I had a great time, and thanks to Andy
> for putting it together. (Hopefully my better half will be able to come
> along next time)
>
> Lon
> Red 98 TJ
>
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5493 From: JAMES FLOWERS <jamesflowers67@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 11:36am
Subject: Re: Fw: Your demands have been met
thank you ..... this is to talk aobut jeeps not morals
>From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
>To: az_vjc@m...
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Your demands have been met
>Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 08:37:10 -0700
>
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5494 From: Lon <robinson@l...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 6:45pm
Subject: Re: Half-fast report on Crown King run
At least the expensive parts were saved. The things that some people will
do to convince the wife to let them get a lift kit!! :-)
Lon
Red 98TJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
To: Lon Robinson <robinson@l...>
Cc: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Half-fast report on Crown King run
> You can add the fact that the high centering of the XJ bent the
> crossmember up about 1/4"-1/2". Time for a new crossmember and skidpan
> but at least the trasfer case is unhurt. Teach me to try the high line.
>
> Lon Robinson wrote:
> >
> > We had 6 Jeeps, 5 TJ's and one Cherokee. I am sorry but I am not
> > very good with names (but I do remember the Jeeps), and I apologize to
> > those whose names I either don't remember or get wrong. We left the
> > meeting spot about 8:20 and proceeded to the trailhead after stopping
> > to air down and disconnect. The first half of the trail (before the
> > lunch stop in the National Forest) was pretty uneventful, although at
> > the first obstacle, Andy (black TJ) managed to get slightly sideways
> > and had to deal with the pucker factor for a few moments until he got
> > it straightened out. Everyone else did well on that hill (and all the
> > rest of the first half of the trail) including the Tan unlifted (but
> > rear locked) Cherokee (sorry, I completely spaced the name), and Dale
> > in the stock TJ. We stopped for a break at the wide spot just inside
> > the Forest boundry, and unfortunately, Dale found a spike in the ground
> > that put a nice gash in the sidewall of his left front. I got a chance
> > to use my newly purchased 12 volt impact wrench to help change it. (It
> > worked great, made quick work of a tire change). We then started the
> > second half of the trail. At the first obstacle (the 2 foot step with
> > no bypass), there was a non-lifted, stock tires, extended cab Z71 truck
> > high centered on the rocks when we got there (DUH, when will they learn
> > that those trucks are too low and long to make it over those rocks?)
> > After about 45 minutes work, we managed to get him over the hump and it
> > was our turn. The first 3 TJ's went over OK, but the Cherokee got high
> > centered. After a little tugging forward and then backwards, we got
> > him unstuck and his next line proved better and he cleared the rocks.
> > (learned later that the rock did take their toll on his transfer case
> > skid) Dale got the stock TJ hung up pretty good, sprouting a brake
> > fluid leak from the right front. Luckily, it was just a fitting that
> > got loosened by a rock, and stopped leaking when tightened. After
> > getting pulled free, he got a better line on the rocks and walked up it
> > without a problem. I had the benefit of being tail end Charlie for
> > this obstacle, and was able to duplicate the successful line and
> > cleared it with no problem. The rest of the trip was pretty
> > uneventful, but on one kind of loose hill, I did have to back up and
> > give it a second try. The score on this run is Tomken gas tank skid -
> > 1, Skid-row engine skid - 1, rocks - 0 :-) All in all, I think a good
> > time was had by all, I know that I had a great time, and thanks to Andy
> > for putting it together. (Hopefully my better half will be able to come
> > along next time)
> >
> > Lon
> > Red 98 TJ
> >
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>
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> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
5495 From: Aaron <Scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 7:45pm
Subject: Table Mesa Camping Trip Report......
Hey guys,
This weekend was a blast. We all met up at 10am at the Southeast corner of I-17 and Carefree Highway instead of Northeast like I mentioned in my earlier posts. Melinda screwed up and the others followed suit. There we ten Jeeps total for the run, Scott and Theresa in his TJ, Melinda in her TJ, Rick Van Hazel and Amanda in his TJ, Tom in his XJ, Larry in his TJ, Felix and wife in their TJ, Chip and his friend(sorry, I forgot his name) in Chip's YJ, Nick(Felix's son) and his girlfriend in NIck's TJ, Aminda and her friend in her YJ and last but not least, me and my girlfreind in my TJ. Everything went as scheduled, we left the lot at about 10:30 and went straight to the trailhead. Nick left the group for about a half hour to try to repair his spare tire that had a hole in it and later joined back up with us. I wasn't too sure where FR41 begins because I have only taken it from Seven Springs to I-17 but nevertheless, I found it. There were some really nice sights along the way, including the actual Table Mesa. The first real obsticle that we found off the trail came when I saw an opening to go down to a dried up riverbed, it was a rock that actually tested articulation really well. Scott K was the first to try it and never had a tire leave the ground. Rick was next and as with Scott, his flex was enough to keep all fours on the ground. Tom wanted to try it next and succeeded in making it up. His right rear tire came off the ground about 6 inches. That was the last of people that wanted to try it so we headed down the road some more. The next obsticle that was found to be kind of amusing came almost where FR41 meets FR24. It was a huge sand pit type thing with really loose gravel. Scott K was again the first to try it. He got about 3/4 of the way up and started spinning his tires. At the same time, Rick drove up from behind Scott and succeeded in making short work of the hill. After one more attempt, Scott managed to make it up the hill. Sorry Scott, sometimes, you have to let someone else steal the glory :-). Tom was the next to try the hill and managed to make it about 3/4 of the way up and started spinning his tires. He decided to back down and we left for the camp site. We reached the camp site at about 2:30 and set up our tents. A couple of us decided to go out romping after everything was set up. I remembered seeing a really nice trail before on this road so we set out to find it. After about 30 minutes we got sick of looking and decided to take a trail that we had found on the way. Larry and Tom at this point decided to head for home. The particular trail turned out to offer nothing of interest to us so we decided to take a powerline road instead. The powerline trail seemed to have a little more to offer than we were expecting. We took the trail for about 2 miles when we started seeing little rock piles in the middle of the road. Since none of us speak rock language and there were no closed signs, we just kept going. After about another half mile, we saw it. The best obsticle of the trip. An old bridge that was rotted out with only half the wood remaining and nothing but beams on both sides. Fortunatly, the beams were spaced out just bearly enough to allow a Jeep to get across. If you misjudged the beams, it was about a 15-18 foot drop. Scott K did all the spotting and Chip's YJ was the only vehicle to do the obsticle. After he made it across, he scouted ahead on the trail looking for a way out to the main road. It was getting close to dark and we just wanted a way out. Chip returned about 15 minutes later and informed us that it was a dead end. From that point, Scott again spotted Chip across the bridge and we left back for the camping site. Scott decided to bail home when we got to the main road so the rest of us headed back. The ladies back at the site had made a fire(good job by the way) and we warmed up pretty quickly. The camping portion of the trip was maybe the funnest part. We all sat around the fire and talked and got to know each other. Some of us decided to take a little of the chill out of the air with a bottle of rum that Rick had brought with him After about five or six shots of rum, things started to become a blur to me but I do know one thing, we all had a fun night. I'm hoping that we can do this again sometime. It was a pleasure meeting everyone that showed up. Since my girlfriend was one of the only people to bring a camcorder, I will be endevouring to make some stills of the fun stuff as well as maybe an mpg or two. Hopefully I can get them done sometime in the next day or so. If I don't find a job, that won't be a problem. Anyone know of any job openings for an out of work techie? Well, that's it....hope my first trail report EVER doesn't put you all to sleep or anything. Hope to take a run with you all again soon.
Aaron
5496 From: Lon <robinson@l...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 8:05pm
Subject: Re: Terminator Run
Kathy and I are interested, the TJ is 2"lifted, disco's, LSD rear, and stock 30x9.50. Any problems there? How is the possibility of a little bit later starting time (we live in Cordes Junction) and meeting at 7:00 makes us get up awfully early for a Saturday.
Lon and Kathy
Red 98TJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Ahern
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 11:07 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Terminator Run
Planning a run on Terminator. Feb 19th. POC is Todd Ahern, or Gregg
Clark. As of this time we are planning to meet at the McDonalds on Dear
vally road. at 0700 and leave at 0730. Trail is rated a (3+, 4)
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5497 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Table Mesa Camping Trip Report......
Aaron,
Thanks for putting the trip together and for choosing a time that wasnt so rough on us 'late to rise' types :)
Enjoyed the day out in the Jeep with the great weather and company. Yummm, I can still taste the dust!
Anyone get a pic of that Donkey & the Jeep?
Regards,
LarryM
----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 8:45 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Table Mesa Camping Trip Report......
Hey guys,
This weekend was a blast. We all met up at 10am at the Southeast corner of I-17 and Carefree Highway instead of Northeast like I mentioned in my earlier posts. Melinda screwed up and the others followed suit. There we ten Jeeps total for the run, Scott and Theresa in his TJ, Melinda in her TJ, Rick Van Hazel and Amanda in his TJ, Tom in his XJ, Larry in his TJ, Felix and wife in their TJ, Chip and his friend(sorry, I forgot his name) in Chip's YJ, Nick(Felix's son) and his girlfriend in NIck's TJ, Aminda and her friend in her YJ and last but not least, me and my girlfreind in my TJ. Everything went as scheduled, we left the lot at about 10:30 and went straight to the trailhead. Nick left the group for about a half hour to try to repair his spare tire that had a hole in it and later joined back up with us. I wasn't too sure where FR41 begins because I have only taken it from Seven Springs to I-17 but nevertheless, I found it. There were some really nice sights along the way, including the actual Table Mesa. The first real obsticle that we found off the trail came when I saw an opening to go down to a dried up riverbed, it was a rock that actually tested articulation really well. Scott K was the first to try it and never had a tire leave the ground. Rick was next and as with Scott, his flex was enough to keep all fours on the ground. Tom wanted to try it next and succeeded in making it up. His right rear tire came off the ground about 6 inches. That was the last of people that wanted to try it so we headed down the road some more. The next obsticle that was found to be kind of amusing came almost where FR41 meets FR24. It was a huge sand pit type thing with really loose gravel. Scott K was again the first to try it. He got about 3/4 of the way up and started spinning his tires. At the same time, Rick drove up from behind Scott and succeeded in making short work of the hill. After one more attempt, Scott managed to make it up the hill. Sorry Scott, sometimes, you have to let someone else steal the glory :-). Tom was the next to try the hill and managed to make it about 3/4 of the way up and started spinning his tires. He decided to back down and we left for the camp site. We reached the camp site at about 2:30 and set up our tents. A couple of us decided to go out romping after everything was set up. I remembered seeing a really nice trail before on this road so we set out to find it. After about 30 minutes we got sick of looking and decided to take a trail that we had found on the way. Larry and Tom at this point decided to head for home. The particular trail turned out to offer nothing of interest to us so we decided to take a powerline road instead. The powerline trail seemed to have a little more to offer than we were expecting. We took the trail for about 2 miles when we started seeing little rock piles in the middle of the road. Since none of us speak rock language and there were no closed signs, we just kept going. After about another half mile, we saw it. The best obsticle of the trip. An old bridge that was rotted out with only half the wood remaining and nothing but beams on both sides. Fortunatly, the beams were spaced out just bearly enough to allow a Jeep to get across. If you misjudged the beams, it was about a 15-18 foot drop. Scott K did all the spotting and Chip's YJ was the only vehicle to do the obsticle. After he made it across, he scouted ahead on the trail looking for a way out to the main road. It was getting close to dark and we just wanted a way out. Chip returned about 15 minutes later and informed us that it was a dead end. From that point, Scott again spotted Chip across the bridge and we left back for the camping site. Scott decided to bail home when we got to the main road so the rest of us headed back. The ladies back at the site had made a fire(good job by the way) and we warmed up pretty quickly. The camping portion of the trip was maybe the funnest part. We all sat around the fire and talked and got to know each other. Some of us decided to take a little of the chill out of the air with a bottle of rum that Rick had brought with him After about five or six shots of rum, things started to become a blur to me but I do know one thing, we all had a fun night. I'm hoping that we can do this again sometime. It was a pleasure meeting everyone that showed up. Since my girlfriend was one of the only people to bring a camcorder, I will be endevouring to make some stills of the fun stuff as well as maybe an mpg or two. Hopefully I can get them done sometime in the next day or so. If I don't find a job, that won't be a problem. Anyone know of any job openings for an out of work techie? Well, that's it....hope my first trail report EVER doesn't put you all to sleep or anything. Hope to take a run with you all again soon.
Aaron
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5498 From: Felix Santi <fes@u...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 8:32pm
Subject: Re: az_vjc] Table Mesa Camping Trip Report......
It was a fun trip and a good leader. I know that cause I kept seeing that dust cloud in front of me.
Till next time
5499 From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2000 10:24am
Subject: Re: Terminator Run
Todd,
Is this "THE" Terminator off of Table Mesa Road (heading West)?
I was under the impression that this trail is considered world class rock
crawling Jeep bait. I walked it a couple of weeks ago and there was more
dino oil marking the way in/out than I had ever seen on any trail before.
The person I was with at the time was telling me that he has watched drivers
pretty much destroy their vehicle in 15 minutes on that trail.
I was just asking because of the 3+, 4 rating you gave it.
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Ahern [mailto:tahern@u...]
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 11:08 AM
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Terminator Run
Planning a run on Terminator. Feb 19th. POC is Todd Ahern, or Gregg
Clark. As of this time we are planning to meet at the McDonalds on Dear
vally road. at 0700 and leave at 0730. Trail is rated a (3+, 4)
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5500 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:28am
Subject: Re: gearless
I just made my frist trip with the gearless in the front of the XJ and I am
impressed! I jsut got back from the Parker trip and did several real tough
trails and it worked jsut as advertized off orad and its wonderful on the
street...I did snake bite canyon on saturday and was only locked in the
front the arb was missing a fitting to get it running.
On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:49:55 -0700, lpennock@c...
wrote:
> How do you like the gearless in the front?
>
> > Brian Harmon
> > 88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/arb, DAna 30 Front w/gearless locker,3.5 in RE
lift
> > Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
> > trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,31x10.5 BFG AT's
KO's,
> > KC's, yada, yada, yada.
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5501 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:37am
Subject: Re: Terminator Run
Yep! This is THE Terminator. We walked it on Saturday since we didn't have
time to run it. I talked to a guy who ran it a few years ago. He said that it
has progressively gotten easier over the years because so many people have run
it. But don't be fooled. It is still a 4 in my book. Todd just likes to make
it seem easy!! ;-) Off from that there is a trail called Anaconda. I've posted
pictures of Anaconda at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=189155&a=1742181
Anyway, maybe we'll see you there?
--
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----------------------------------------------------------
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Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
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5502 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:49am
Subject: XJ Skid Pans
Since I destroyed my xfercase skid plate on Sunday I'm in the market for
something better than the stock one. (Something about having ripped the
bolts out of the frame.
I have the NP242 Xfer case. Tomken machine makes a plate. I know that
everyone seems to like their stuff. Is there any other manufacture I
should look at?
--
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Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
5503 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:51am
Subject: Re: Terminator Run
Lon,
You could go but I would SERIOUSLY doubt you would make it past the
first obstacles. I am running 4" lift, locker in the front, limited
slip in the rear, 33X14 Swamper Boggers and I am very concerned that I
might not make it. So I think the TJ might be over its head here. I
mean no disrespect. Believe me I've seen nearly stock TJs do more than
alot of other vehicles, but Terminator is pretty nasty. You could
always come along and decide once you get there. At the very least you
would get to watch some people tear up some nice vehicles ;-). Raw Deal
would be a perfect run for you. It is actually just off the dirt road
that leads to Terminator. We could show you the way. I am going to
post pictures of Raw Deal on Photopoint. Look for another email to the
group on Raw Deal.
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
Lon wrote:
> Kathy and I are interested, the TJ is 2"lifted, disco's, LSD rear, and
> stock 30x9.50. Any problems there? How is the possibility of a
> little bit later starting time (we live in Cordes Junction) and
> meeting at 7:00 makes us get up awfully early for a Saturday. Lon and
> KathyRed 98TJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Todd Ahern
> To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 11:07 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Terminator Run
>
>
Planning a run on Terminator. Feb 19th. POC is Todd Ahern, or Gregg
Clark. As of this time we are planning to meet at the McDonalds on Dear
vally road. at 0700 and leave at 0730. Trail is rated a (3+, 4)
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5504 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:51am
Subject: Re: Fw: Your demands have been met
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> AMEN.
> At 08:25 AM 2/5/2000 -0700, Leonard K. Pennock wrote:
>
> > I've now said all I'm going to say on this because I don't believe
> > that
> > AZ_VJC is for politicial discussions which is what this is becoming.
OK, then. We'll see you two on the trails.
No.
Wait.
There won't be any.
Too bad you two chose _not_ to stand up for what was right.
P.S. The group description DOES state that the group is for "off-road
trips and related local Jeep and backcountry topics" and "a love for
off-roading Arizona." While Glamis isn't quite AZ, you're very naive if
you think what happens there will not affect our local Jeep and
backcountry access.
5505 From: Jay Eller <four_by_nut@n...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:53am
Subject: Raw Deal Pics
I have posted some pictures I took of Raw Deal at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=189155&a=1755675
We had a great time and no casualties can be reported. Probably won't be
able to say the same after having run Terminator in two weeks!!!!!!!
--
-Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
----------------------------------------------------------
83 CJ7
Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
(Not to be confused with how it looks...)
5506 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 5:58am
Subject: Re: Fw: Your demands have been met
JAMES FLOWERS wrote:
>
> thank you ..... this is to talk aobut jeeps not morals
>
Sure hope you like Chrome and Pretty Paint Jobs, because that's all
we'll be talking about here once all the land is finished being closed
due to incidents like this.
5507 From: <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 6:19am
Subject: Photos of Parker 2-00
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5508 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 6:30am
Subject: Parker trip
A trip for the record books. I've sent some photos to the group. The trails
shown in the photos were in the 4 to 4.5 range (there were some 3 to 4
trails also that some did). All in all, there were about 35 Jeeps on Sat.
doing 3 runs, and probably 25 or so on Sun (3 runs). The trails were
fantastic, and the Parker 4 Wheelers were great.
There was some body damage on most of the trips, and some mechanical
breaks...including a broken axle, broken tie rod end, busted axle u-joint,
separated driveshaft, broken water pump and radiator, and several tires off
the bead.
Can't wait for Desert Splash in Nov!
Doug
5509 From: <CoyotEddie@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 2:09am
Subject: Re: Photos of Parker 2-00
Great photos looks and sounds like you had a blast.
Doug, have you tried this place <A HREF="http://www.ofoto.com/">Welcome to
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5510 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 7:48am
Subject: Re: Red Creek Environmental Assessment
No...it's not on line, as best I know. I'd think you could get a copy from
the Cave Creek Ranger District (480-595-3300). It's about 54 pages long.
Comments concerning the Assessment should be sent to :
Delvin R. Lopez
District Ranger
Cave Creek Ranger District
40202 N. Cave Creek Road
Scottsdale, Az 85262
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson <solson8@u...>
To: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Cc: Joe Ruby <JoeRuby@w...>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 7:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Red Creek Environmental Assessment
> Doug,
>
> Is the info you referenced available on-line? I would very much like to
> review it. Any info you can give, or a direction you can point me in,
would
> be very much appreciated.
>
> I spent an over-nighter on Red Creek in December and it was most
beautiful.
> I agree that the vehicle impact appears to be quite limited, especially
when
> compared to other areas. I do hope we don't loose this one. If anyone in
> the group has never taken up a cause and feels like now is the time, you
are
> absolutely right.
>
> Thanks......Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
>
> http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp/
> http://home.off-road.com/~stu
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 6:00 PM
> To: Jeep AzVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Red Creek Environmental Assessment
>
>
> The E.A. is fresh off the presses on Red Creek. The objective is to
> "...minimize or eliminate the adverse impacts of FR18 on riparian habitat
> along Red Creek". Basically, the proposal states that "Forest Road #18
> would be closed or access would be limited". The study lists 6
> alternative...with the Cave Creek District Ranger being responsible for
> deciding which alternative will be implemented. the alternatives deal w/
> grazing policy as well as possible road closure. For the purpose of this
> e-mail, I'll only summarize the alternatives as they relate to FR18.
>
> Alternative A: Basically, keeping things as they are. Road would stay
open.
>
> Alternative B, C, D, E, and F - close or limit access to FR18. They're
> recommended alternative is C - which deals w/ limited grazing.
>
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5511 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 9:50am
Subject: Crown King photos
Photos from the Crown King run Sunday Feb. 6
<http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1757799>
We had a great run with mostly minor mishaps and a bit of under body
destruction. We faired better than the full size Z71 that got high
centered, however. We spent a good 30 minutes trying to get him dislodged.
We spent another 30 minutes getting 2 of our own dislodged also, and after
a busted brake line scare on Dale's TJ (it was actually a loosened bleed
valve!) we were on our way with no further problems.
Great run and well led, Andy. Many thanks.
These were captured from Digital video taken with a Sony TVR315. If anyone
on that ride wants a copy of the video on CD, email me your address. There
is some great footage of everyone.
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Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
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5512 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 10:21am
Subject: Politics
If we do not use every method of communication to organize
our thoughts and efforts to save our way of life it is OVER!
If all we are looking for is fun and parts then hang it up
and go buy a GEO Metro now while you can still sell your
Jeep. This medium is MADE for ALL kinds of thoughts and
ideas.
Just keeping your head down quite and not working together
will ensure that the only way any of us or our kids will see
this country will be by Sneaker Jeep.
Remember who your friends are and who wants you to become
EXTINCT. [Instead of some rock lizard.]
To end my soap box entry, "Can't we (AZVJC) all just get
along?"
5513 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2000 10:31am
Subject: Parker Run
Hey All,
I want to thank all of you who helped me and or spotted for me this weekend
in parker....it was a great trip and there are two things I learned...Its
great to wheel witha good group of people.....A 3" lift is not enough! and
31" tires can get you into toruble!
On saturday we ran snake bite and drove all the way through didnt need to
winch as a few of the landcruisers did....but did have to stack a few rocks
to get my bumper over a few of the obsticles...all went well until a
fullsized Chevy decided to use all the HP his 454 would put out and spun a
tire of the rim and lodged himself firmly into a crevice on one of the water
falls.....2 hours later we where moving again..only one ding on saturday
Sunday we ran presidents choice trail...very tight and very few spotters on
some of the trail...here I suffered the most damage....bit by a
tree....wedged between several canyon walls....the rear quarters took the
worst of it...I think it is time for some aluminium diamond plate quarter
panel guards.....I ran the first day with just the front locked and the
second day with both locked....The gearless in the front worked flawlessly
both days.....the arb with co2 power worked great the second day....now I
just have to put in the switch and selenoid to activate the valve and all
will be grand!
All in all it was a great weekend..thanks again to you all and maybe see you
guys in lake havasu next month?
Brian Harmon
88 XJ, Dana44 rear w/arb, DAna 30 FRont with gearless,3.5 in RE lift
Nationl rear leafs, MJ shackles, custom rock rails, custom skid plates,
trashed bumpers, roof basket, 92 radiator conversion,31x10.5 BFG AT's KO's,
KC's, yada, yada, yada.
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