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5389 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 6:49pm
Subject: Coves cleanup
Jon, don't give up on the Cleanup trip. Maybe make it just Sat. and more people will come. I can tell you that the garbage that is out there is being blamed on us.
We all have fun and I know we do not abuse our lands, but, we are an easy target and this type of thing goes a long way in improving our image.
I find it hard to believe that our people won't help out on this.
Count me in.
Ross
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5390 From: <dirtdog@u...>
Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 7:59pm
Subject: Re: Parker this weekend!!!
AL,
So far I have at least one confirmed person that will do the easier runs and two
full size rigs.
Has any of the Parker group come up with a some rough trails that can accept full
size rigs?
I'll get a head count tomorrow at our club meeting but so far this is what I am
sure of.
2 CJ-7's
1 or 2 FJ-40's
1 Suzuki Samari
1 FS Blazer
1 FS SB Pick-up
1 XJ
See you Friday night
Bernie
A8868542@a... wrote:
> Hey Lamar. Most everyone is looking forward to doing the 4.5 rated trails at
> Parker but I don't think you will be alone in wanting to do the 3.5s.
> Especialy on Sunday when many folks opt for the tamer trails before having to
> make the long drive home that afternoon. I know it would stink for you to
> get there and find out everyone else is doing a trail you are not comfortable
> with. The gamble is that the Parker guys have said that they would lead some
> runs for us but they have not let me pin them down as to which trails when.
> We are going to have a great trip no matter which trails get run and I hope
> we see you there.
>
> Al Dickson (Goat Boy)
> 81CJ7 (Blue Ox)
> 62 Scout 80 (Whoa Nellie)
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5391 From: Maniatico <maniatico@h...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2000 9:02pm
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Just wanted to update everyone on my transfer case warranty issue. The
dealer didn't put up a fight. They were apologetic and threw a 5-star tag
on the jeep to speed up the repair. Thanks for all the feedback. I should
have it back by this weekend. . . is anyone interested in the crown king
run.
** I should have thought about disconnecting the odometer. Oh well.
Maniatico
5392 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 0:10am
Subject: Re: Coves cleanup
you can count me in ..
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s2bsi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 7:49 PM
To: azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves cleanup
Jon, don't give up on the Cleanup trip. Maybe make it just Sat. and more people will come. I can tell you that the garbage that is out there is being blamed on us.
We all have fun and I know we do not abuse our lands, but, we are an easy target and this type of thing goes a long way in improving our image.
I find it hard to believe that our people won't help out on this.
Count me in.
Ross
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5393 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 0:12am
Subject: Re: Coves cleanup
This is also the weekend of my sons B-day. So if we don't have the party on
Sat. and we are not moving into the new house. I'll be there Sat..
Dave (azxj)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Wirch [mailto:wirch@m...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 1:10 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Coves cleanup
you can count me in ..
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 7:49 PM
To: azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves cleanup
Jon, don't give up on the Cleanup trip. Maybe make it just Sat. and more
people will come. I can tell you that the garbage that is out there is being
blamed on us.
We all have fun and I know we do not abuse our lands, but, we are an easy
target and this type of thing goes a long way in improving our image.
I find it hard to believe that our people won't help out on this.
Count me in.
Ross
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5394 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 3:36am
Subject: Coves Cleanup
The Coves cleanup is still on for March 4 and 5. March 4 will be the
primary cleanup day so if you want to help please mark this day. I will
post regular reminders and solicitations between now and then. It looks
like there will be some camping and if enough folks are still around on
Sunday we can cleanup so more and certainly work the trails a bit more also.
Does anyone have a large trailer that they could pull in a ways while the
trail is still flat? We could then use that as a holding spot for trash bags.
Does anyone know how to get in touch with the Park Service to let them know
what we are going to do?
Jon
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(610) 521-6066
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5395 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 4:25am
Subject: egroup site
I suspect that many don't know about or at least don't use the power of egroups. It is free and it is very powerful, so I thought I would post this as a reminder.
AZ_VJC egroups page: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/info.html
This is the main page of our group on egroups. All past messages are stored on the site, so if you delete message(s) from your mailbox that you didn't mean to, like directions or dates and times, you can go to the egroups page and reread them at any time.
From this page you can also view the calendar for any trips that have been posted. I highly recommend that anyone planning a trip post it here in addition to the regular emails. This can save a great deal of requests for repeat directions and such.
From here you can also see the databases. Currently there are only 2 active ones; Classified ads and Tech Links. I would love to see entries made to Tech Links, so if you know of any good ones or have one of your own, post it here. The classified ads will work also if there are things to be sold added to the list and people look there. Delete items after they are sold or after you give up on selling them and this will become even more useful.
There is a member list with all members and most of the email address. (A single letter is omitted from everyones email address - probably to prevent list burglary.)
There is a links section for you to enter your personal web site for others to see.
Also, don't forget the AZ_VJC web site: http://azvjc.web.com
We also have a PhotoPoint page but it looks like most people with cameras have one of their own.
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(610) 521-6066
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5396 From: Tom Quinn <tquinn@u...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 4:29am
Subject: Motorola Talkabout radios
I believe Costco has the Motorola Talkabout Plus family radios on sale
this week for around $49. I think you have to have the coupon - $23
off - to get the price. This coupon should have been mailed out to
members but may also be available in the store. My cousin is giving me
his coupon, so I don't currently know the specifics. I'm going Friday
to check it out. These are the radios with the digital channel display
on them. Coupon is good through Saturday.
Tom
5397 From: <HopsRx@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 1:40am
Subject: Re: Parker this weekend!!!
Al,
Thanks for the reply. We're going no matter what and maybe we'll even be
doing tougher stuff by the end of the weekend. My 99 TJ is just a little too
shiny for any body damage yet! We'll see you there.
Lamar, Jaime, Wesley and Cade
5398 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 7:07am
Subject: Re: Coves Cleanup
Jon,
Let just make this a cleanup and optional campout only. No swap meet or
potluck. Most of the Jeeps that people own in this club can't carry very much.
I'll contact John Payne (Tonto National Forest Public Affaris) and let him
know the dates we will be out there. I will also announce the cleanup at the
ASA4WDC Q1 Delegates meeting on Feb 12 and to the Lo-Rangers at the next club
meeting.
I need a meeting place and time.
Linda
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> The Coves cleanup is still on for March 4 and 5. March 4 will be the
> primary cleanup day so if you want to help please mark this day. I will
> post regular reminders and solicitations between now and then. It looks
> like there will be some camping and if enough folks are still around on
> Sunday we can cleanup so more and certainly work the trails a bit more also.
>
> Does anyone have a large trailer that they could pull in a ways while the
> trail is still flat? We could then use that as a holding spot for trash bags.
>
> Does anyone know how to get in touch with the Park Service to let them know
> what we are going to do?
>
> Jon
>
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5399 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 7:15am
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Maniatico wrote:
>
> Just wanted to update everyone on my transfer case warranty issue. The
> dealer didn't put up a fight. They were apologetic and threw a 5-star tag
> on the jeep to speed up the repair. Thanks for all the feedback. I should
> have it back by this weekend. . . is anyone interested in the crown king
> run.
>
> ** I should have thought about disconnecting the odometer. Oh well.
>
No you shouldn't have. You did just what you should have done and the
dealer made good on it. Disconnecting the odometer to falsify your
mileage is a _dishonest_ and _wrong_ thing to do. You wouldn't want to
buy a used vehicle with only 20,000 miles, and then find out that it
really had 60,000, and "hadn't moved" for years.
5400 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 7:23am
Subject: Jeep Service and other things
I had my recently destroyed rear brake fixed at a shop called Just Brakes in
Mesa. They do good work there and I don't have any problems with their
warranties. They are reasonably priced and can do most work the same day.
Please don't consider this a glowing recommendation. It was the only shop I
could find that could repair my rear brakes without me having to make an
appointment for later in the week.
Anyway, I picked up the Jeep after work and, of course the shop manager wanted
to talk 4-wheeling. He told me about his last trip to the coves where he and
his buddies made it out to the 5th cove and then decided that taking the trail
back to Butcher Jones would take way too long and so they decided to go cross
country instead. His rational was that the desert had destroyed by a brushfire
and there wasn't any vegetation to damage. I told him in no uncertain term
that the Tonto National Forest does not allow cross country travel in the
forest or in the Rolls OHV area. Of course, this turned into several minutes
of him ranting and raving about all these areas in Arizona being closed to OHV
use. Yada yada yada..... I told him that it was people like him and his
friends that helped this happen. I don't think he got the point.
Linda
Jay Eller wrote:
>
> Absolutely NO problem taking your car to another dealership for
> service. Another dealership would be more than happy to know that they
> are receiving business from other people besides those that they sold
> vehicles to.
>
> Hope that helps.
> --
> -Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> 83 CJ7
> Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
> (Not to be confused with how it looks...)
> Larry Maggio wrote:
>
> > I bought my Jeep at Earnhardts which is way on the other side of town
> > for me. Is there any problems taking a Jeep to be serviced at another
> > dealer? Is this allowed? I have this annoying whistling noise coming
> > into the passenger compartment from where the windshield (would) fold
> > down. It's one of those things I dont want to mess with trying to fix
> > myself. Larry
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5401 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 7:34am
Subject: Re: Jeep Service and other things
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> Anyway, I picked up the Jeep after work and, of course the shop manager wanted
> to talk 4-wheeling. He told me about his last trip to the coves where he and
> his buddies made it out to the 5th cove and then decided that taking the trail
> back to Butcher Jones would take way too long and so they decided to go cross
> country instead. His rational was that the desert had destroyed by a brushfire
> and there wasn't any vegetation to damage. I told him in no uncertain term
> that the Tonto National Forest does not allow cross country travel in the
> forest or in the Rolls OHV area. Of course, this turned into several minutes
> of him ranting and raving about all these areas in Arizona being closed to OHV
> use. Yada yada yada..... I told him that it was people like him and his
> friends that helped this happen. I don't think he got the point.
_THESE_ are the people we need to reach. However, I can't think of
anything to add to what Linda said. Any one have any bright ideas on
how to help these people get the point, and protect our public lands?
5402 From: Sullivan, Len <LSULLIV@C...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 7:55am
Subject: Re: Coves Cleanup - trailer
I don't have a trailer, but my truck will hold a substantial amount of
trash. One of my friends will also be there with his truck, and if we can't
locate a trailer I could have my girlfriend bring her 2wd truck out and take
it in as far as it will go.
Len Sullivan
Vendor Direct Transmissions
and Faxstar Operations Coordinator
CSK Automotive, Inc.
602.631.7845
mailto:lsulliv@c...
5403 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 8:31am
Subject: Re: Jeep Service and other things
The only thing I can think of is to tell them they can be as
mad and as indignant as they want, but if they keep it up,
the Sierra Club, Clinton and their lawyers are going to turn
it into a national park with NO motorized access.
FOREVER.......
Good job standing up to him Linda. Passive complaining right
now will cost all of us more than we wish to pay.
Dave Reinken wrote:
>
> Linda Luik wrote:
> >
> > Anyway, I picked up the Jeep after work and, of course the shop manager wanted
> > to talk 4-wheeling. He told me about his last trip to the coves where he and
> > his buddies made it out to the 5th cove and then decided that taking the trail
> > back to Butcher Jones would take way too long and so they decided to go cross
> > country instead. His rational was that the desert had destroyed by a brushfire
> > and there wasn't any vegetation to damage. I told him in no uncertain term
> > that the Tonto National Forest does not allow cross country travel in the
> > forest or in the Rolls OHV area. Of course, this turned into several minutes
> > of him ranting and raving about all these areas in Arizona being closed to OHV
> > use. Yada yada yada..... I told him that it was people like him and his
> > friends that helped this happen. I don't think he got the point.
>
> _THESE_ are the people we need to reach. However, I can't think of
> anything to add to what Linda said. Any one have any bright ideas on
> how to help these people get the point, and protect our public lands?
>
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5404 From: josh ragan <joshragan@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 8:24am
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
I agree with Dave. If you were to sell a vehicle that
the cable had been disconnected from with out letting
the person or dealer buying it and stating the
odometer reading was not correct on the title, you are
also breaking the law. If one is that concern with
warranty there are options out there for extended
warrantees, some I believe can even be picked up after
the manufactures warrantee has ran out(although after
the manufactures warrantee has ran out the price
increases quite a bit).
I think it is quite ironic that everyone complains
about being screwed (for the lack of better words) by
different companies and repair shops, but if it
happens to be the other way around it is exceptable.
Honesty is alway the best bet, dishonesty will come
back to haunt you. This group should have seen this
in the last week. Prime example is what happened with
the OSMTJ none of us will being using that dealer for
any type of service or sales in the future.
You did the right thing and the dealer took care of
you just like they should have
--- Dave Reinken <daver@c...> wrote:
> Maniatico wrote:
> >
> > Just wanted to update everyone on my transfer case
> warranty issue. The
> > dealer didn't put up a fight. They were
> apologetic and threw a 5-star tag
> > on the jeep to speed up the repair. Thanks for
> all the feedback. I should
> > have it back by this weekend. . . is anyone
> interested in the crown king
> > run..
> >
> > ** I should have thought about disconnecting the
> odometer. Oh well..
> >
> No you shouldn't have. You did just what you should
> have done and the
> dealer made good on it. Disconnecting the odometer
> to falsify your
> mileage is a _dishonest_ and _wrong_ thing to do.
> You wouldn't want to
> buy a used vehicle with only 20,000 miles, and then
> find out that it
> really had 60,000, and "hadn't moved" for years..
>
>
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5405 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 8:43am
Subject: Re: Coves Cleanup - trailer
I have an off-road trailer (about 4'x5' with 18" sides) but I don't have
plates or lights on it yet. I will try to get it finished by the cleanup
weekend.
Pete
5406 From: Ken Unterriner <jeep108@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 9:40am
Subject: Re: Coves cleanup
I am going to put in for the days off at work now so I can make it.
Ken U
84 cj7
"ross skinner" <rskinne-@s...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5389
> Jon, don't give up on the Cleanup trip. Maybe make it just Sat. and
more people will come. I can tell you that the garbage that is out
there is being blamed on us.
> We all have fun and I know we do not abuse our lands, but, we are an
easy target and this type of thing goes a long way in improving our
image.
> I find it hard to believe that our people won't help out on this.
>
> Count me in.
> Ross
>
5407 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 10:02am
Subject: from Carla Boucher
Please read and send Mr. Dombeck a letter.
Leah
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The following excerpt came from the 1/26/00 issue of the San
Francisco Chronicle:
http://pb1-1.newsreal.com/osform/NewsService?osform_template=pages/envirolinkStory&ID=envi
rolink&path=News/Category.NRdb@2@9&storypath=News/Story_2000_01_26.NRdb@2@15@3@379
You can see by the last sentence in the excerpt that Mr. Dombeck
thinks that the road
policy will conclusively close roads, and is a done deal. I
appreciate him giving us just
another piece of evidence to use when we litigate the policy. Even
if it may not look
like it at times, this is still the United States, and agencies are
not permitted to
circumvent NEPA and the APA by making public involvement just an
illusion.
The time is now to send Mr. Dombeck a message that statements by him
expressing a
pre-determined outcome for the roads policy is a violation of the
Administrative Procedure
Act, 5 U.S.C. 553(c) and we are holding him accountable. A brief
postcard letter can be
found at: http://www.wi4wda.org/carlaboucher
I have included a pasted copy of the postcard letter here for those
that do not
have Internet access.
Please help us protect our rights and our access. Please write.
Thank you,
Carla Boucher, Esq.
United Four Wheel Drive Associations
P.O. Box 15696
Chesapeake, VA 23328
(757) 482-4474
ccboucher@h...
*********
Excerpt from San Francisco Chronicle:
Another reason for closing roads is monetary. The Forest Service's
budget includes enough
money to maintain only about 17 percent of its roads, said Dombeck,
so it is proceeding
with a new plan that could ultimately result in the closure of the
rest.
"We have an $11 billion road maintenance backlog," he said.
"Essentially, we have more
roads than we can afford."
Last year, the Forest Service declared an 18-month moratorium on
road-building, as Dombeck
said, "to get a timeout." In the next few weeks, he said, the agency
will release a draft
management policy on roads.
The policy will direct forest supervisors to meet with local
officials to determine which
Forest Service roads are crucial to regional transportation needs,
said Dombeck. In the
end, he said, there will be fewer roads.
*************
*************
Postcard Letter:
Mr. Michael P. Dombeck, Chief
USDA Forest Service
1400 Independence Ave., S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20090-6090
VIA FACSIMILE: (202) 205-1765
VIA E-MAIL: Mike.Dombeck/wo@f...
February 2, 2000
Dear Mr. Dombeck,
In the 1/26/00 issue of the San Francisco Chronicle reporting on
your speech to the
Commonwealth Club of California, you were quoted as stating, "In the
end there will be
fewer roads".
I'm sure that you must have been misquoted. As Chief of the Forest
Service I can not
believe that you would be so careless as to make a statement
indicating that the
conclusions of the roads policy have already been decided upon. To
do so would be to
violate the Administrative Procedure Act (APA), section 553(c) which
states that the
public must be given an opportunity to participate in rulemaking.
Such public
participation in the roads policy would only be an illusion if the
Forest Service has
already decided the outcome of the rulemaking.
Please contact me if you were misquoted by the San Francisco
Chronicle. If I do not hear
from you within 30 days I will have to conclude that the statement
was made by you and
that the Forest Service stands in violation of the APA regarding the
soon to be released
roads policy.
Sincerely yours,
Name
Address
Telephone number
5408 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 9:18am
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Iam always interested in crown king. But my jeep isn't done yet. still kinda
leery.
Steve
5409 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 4:45pm
Subject: was 'In a world of hurt!!' now Crown King
Who is going to Crown King and when? This is the first I've heard of it.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
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To: <maniatico@h...>; <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 3:18 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: In a world of hurt!!
> Iam always interested in crown king. But my jeep isn't done yet. still
kinda
> leery.
>
> Steve
>
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5410 From: Chip Jones <twogun@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 5:52pm
Subject: bounced messages?????
Does anyone know what this is about? I seem to be getting all of the
postings and clean my mailbox out every day.
Thanks,
Chip
Subject:
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5411 From: <Bmhedges@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 3:17pm
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Just wanted to point out that new chevrolets the dealer can tap into the
computer and tell milage and how big a load you have ever pulled and will
record the last 20 starts at least that is what Ive been told
bmhedges@a...
1959 CJ3B
5412 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 10:29pm
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
From what I hear they are now also putting in voice recorders like airplanes
also. As well as data recorders.... Ie: little black boxes. in case of
accidents and or mishaps.... I am also see information that the Big three
are using Low-Jack Vehicle recovery more and more. My understanding is that
they are placing it in most vehicles and are not activating it unless you
ask the delear.. (agian hearsay) Who says thaa they can't just activate it
when they want by satallite, like Onsat...
Food for thought!!
Dave (azxj)
-----Original Message-----
From: Bmhedges@a... [mailto:Bmhedges@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 9:18 PM
To: joshragan@y...; daver@c...; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: In a world of hurt!!
Just wanted to point out that new chevrolets the dealer can tap into the
computer and tell milage and how big a load you have ever pulled and will
record the last 20 starts at least that is what Ive been told
bmhedges@a...
1959 CJ3B
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5413 From: Maniatico <maniatico@h...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 0:16am
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Steve -
My buddy and I have never made this run before. What is it like this time
of year
-----Original Message-----
From: BA914@a... [mailto:BA914@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 3:19 PM
To: maniatico@h...; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: In a world of hurt!!
Iam always interested in crown king. But my jeep isn't done yet. still kinda
leery.
Steve
5389 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 6:49pm
Subject: Coves cleanup
Jon, don't give up on the Cleanup trip. Maybe make it just Sat. and more people will come. I can tell you that the garbage that is out there is being blamed on us.
We all have fun and I know we do not abuse our lands, but, we are an easy target and this type of thing goes a long way in improving our image.
I find it hard to believe that our people won't help out on this.
Count me in.
Ross
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5390 From: <dirtdog@u...>
Date: Tue Feb 1, 2000 7:59pm
Subject: Re: Parker this weekend!!!
AL,
So far I have at least one confirmed person that will do the easier runs and two
full size rigs.
Has any of the Parker group come up with a some rough trails that can accept full
size rigs?
I'll get a head count tomorrow at our club meeting but so far this is what I am
sure of.
2 CJ-7's
1 or 2 FJ-40's
1 Suzuki Samari
1 FS Blazer
1 FS SB Pick-up
1 XJ
See you Friday night
Bernie
A8868542@a... wrote:
> Hey Lamar. Most everyone is looking forward to doing the 4.5 rated trails at
> Parker but I don't think you will be alone in wanting to do the 3.5s.
> Especialy on Sunday when many folks opt for the tamer trails before having to
> make the long drive home that afternoon. I know it would stink for you to
> get there and find out everyone else is doing a trail you are not comfortable
> with. The gamble is that the Parker guys have said that they would lead some
> runs for us but they have not let me pin them down as to which trails when.
> We are going to have a great trip no matter which trails get run and I hope
> we see you there.
>
> Al Dickson (Goat Boy)
> 81CJ7 (Blue Ox)
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5391 From: Maniatico <maniatico@h...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2000 9:02pm
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Just wanted to update everyone on my transfer case warranty issue. The
dealer didn't put up a fight. They were apologetic and threw a 5-star tag
on the jeep to speed up the repair. Thanks for all the feedback. I should
have it back by this weekend. . . is anyone interested in the crown king
run.
** I should have thought about disconnecting the odometer. Oh well.
Maniatico
5392 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 0:10am
Subject: Re: Coves cleanup
you can count me in ..
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s2bsi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 7:49 PM
To: azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves cleanup
Jon, don't give up on the Cleanup trip. Maybe make it just Sat. and more people will come. I can tell you that the garbage that is out there is being blamed on us.
We all have fun and I know we do not abuse our lands, but, we are an easy target and this type of thing goes a long way in improving our image.
I find it hard to believe that our people won't help out on this.
Count me in.
Ross
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5393 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 0:12am
Subject: Re: Coves cleanup
This is also the weekend of my sons B-day. So if we don't have the party on
Sat. and we are not moving into the new house. I'll be there Sat..
Dave (azxj)
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Wirch [mailto:wirch@m...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 1:10 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Coves cleanup
you can count me in ..
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 7:49 PM
To: azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves cleanup
Jon, don't give up on the Cleanup trip. Maybe make it just Sat. and more
people will come. I can tell you that the garbage that is out there is being
blamed on us.
We all have fun and I know we do not abuse our lands, but, we are an easy
target and this type of thing goes a long way in improving our image.
I find it hard to believe that our people won't help out on this.
Count me in.
Ross
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5394 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 3:36am
Subject: Coves Cleanup
The Coves cleanup is still on for March 4 and 5. March 4 will be the
primary cleanup day so if you want to help please mark this day. I will
post regular reminders and solicitations between now and then. It looks
like there will be some camping and if enough folks are still around on
Sunday we can cleanup so more and certainly work the trails a bit more also.
Does anyone have a large trailer that they could pull in a ways while the
trail is still flat? We could then use that as a holding spot for trash bags.
Does anyone know how to get in touch with the Park Service to let them know
what we are going to do?
Jon
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5395 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 4:25am
Subject: egroup site
I suspect that many don't know about or at least don't use the power of egroups. It is free and it is very powerful, so I thought I would post this as a reminder.
AZ_VJC egroups page: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/info.html
This is the main page of our group on egroups. All past messages are stored on the site, so if you delete message(s) from your mailbox that you didn't mean to, like directions or dates and times, you can go to the egroups page and reread them at any time.
From this page you can also view the calendar for any trips that have been posted. I highly recommend that anyone planning a trip post it here in addition to the regular emails. This can save a great deal of requests for repeat directions and such.
From here you can also see the databases. Currently there are only 2 active ones; Classified ads and Tech Links. I would love to see entries made to Tech Links, so if you know of any good ones or have one of your own, post it here. The classified ads will work also if there are things to be sold added to the list and people look there. Delete items after they are sold or after you give up on selling them and this will become even more useful.
There is a member list with all members and most of the email address. (A single letter is omitted from everyones email address - probably to prevent list burglary.)
There is a links section for you to enter your personal web site for others to see.
Also, don't forget the AZ_VJC web site: http://azvjc.web.com
We also have a PhotoPoint page but it looks like most people with cameras have one of their own.
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Jon Loveless
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(610) 521-6066
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5396 From: Tom Quinn <tquinn@u...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 4:29am
Subject: Motorola Talkabout radios
I believe Costco has the Motorola Talkabout Plus family radios on sale
this week for around $49. I think you have to have the coupon - $23
off - to get the price. This coupon should have been mailed out to
members but may also be available in the store. My cousin is giving me
his coupon, so I don't currently know the specifics. I'm going Friday
to check it out. These are the radios with the digital channel display
on them. Coupon is good through Saturday.
Tom
5397 From: <HopsRx@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 1:40am
Subject: Re: Parker this weekend!!!
Al,
Thanks for the reply. We're going no matter what and maybe we'll even be
doing tougher stuff by the end of the weekend. My 99 TJ is just a little too
shiny for any body damage yet! We'll see you there.
Lamar, Jaime, Wesley and Cade
5398 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 7:07am
Subject: Re: Coves Cleanup
Jon,
Let just make this a cleanup and optional campout only. No swap meet or
potluck. Most of the Jeeps that people own in this club can't carry very much.
I'll contact John Payne (Tonto National Forest Public Affaris) and let him
know the dates we will be out there. I will also announce the cleanup at the
ASA4WDC Q1 Delegates meeting on Feb 12 and to the Lo-Rangers at the next club
meeting.
I need a meeting place and time.
Linda
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> The Coves cleanup is still on for March 4 and 5. March 4 will be the
> primary cleanup day so if you want to help please mark this day. I will
> post regular reminders and solicitations between now and then. It looks
> like there will be some camping and if enough folks are still around on
> Sunday we can cleanup so more and certainly work the trails a bit more also.
>
> Does anyone have a large trailer that they could pull in a ways while the
> trail is still flat? We could then use that as a holding spot for trash bags.
>
> Does anyone know how to get in touch with the Park Service to let them know
> what we are going to do?
>
> Jon
>
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5399 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 7:15am
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Maniatico wrote:
>
> Just wanted to update everyone on my transfer case warranty issue. The
> dealer didn't put up a fight. They were apologetic and threw a 5-star tag
> on the jeep to speed up the repair. Thanks for all the feedback. I should
> have it back by this weekend. . . is anyone interested in the crown king
> run.
>
> ** I should have thought about disconnecting the odometer. Oh well.
>
No you shouldn't have. You did just what you should have done and the
dealer made good on it. Disconnecting the odometer to falsify your
mileage is a _dishonest_ and _wrong_ thing to do. You wouldn't want to
buy a used vehicle with only 20,000 miles, and then find out that it
really had 60,000, and "hadn't moved" for years.
5400 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 7:23am
Subject: Jeep Service and other things
I had my recently destroyed rear brake fixed at a shop called Just Brakes in
Mesa. They do good work there and I don't have any problems with their
warranties. They are reasonably priced and can do most work the same day.
Please don't consider this a glowing recommendation. It was the only shop I
could find that could repair my rear brakes without me having to make an
appointment for later in the week.
Anyway, I picked up the Jeep after work and, of course the shop manager wanted
to talk 4-wheeling. He told me about his last trip to the coves where he and
his buddies made it out to the 5th cove and then decided that taking the trail
back to Butcher Jones would take way too long and so they decided to go cross
country instead. His rational was that the desert had destroyed by a brushfire
and there wasn't any vegetation to damage. I told him in no uncertain term
that the Tonto National Forest does not allow cross country travel in the
forest or in the Rolls OHV area. Of course, this turned into several minutes
of him ranting and raving about all these areas in Arizona being closed to OHV
use. Yada yada yada..... I told him that it was people like him and his
friends that helped this happen. I don't think he got the point.
Linda
Jay Eller wrote:
>
> Absolutely NO problem taking your car to another dealership for
> service. Another dealership would be more than happy to know that they
> are receiving business from other people besides those that they sold
> vehicles to.
>
> Hope that helps.
> --
> -Jay-Bird (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> 83 CJ7
> Part Chevy / Part Jeep >>>>> CHEEP!!
> (Not to be confused with how it looks...)
> Larry Maggio wrote:
>
> > I bought my Jeep at Earnhardts which is way on the other side of town
> > for me. Is there any problems taking a Jeep to be serviced at another
> > dealer? Is this allowed? I have this annoying whistling noise coming
> > into the passenger compartment from where the windshield (would) fold
> > down. It's one of those things I dont want to mess with trying to fix
> > myself. Larry
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5401 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 7:34am
Subject: Re: Jeep Service and other things
Linda Luik wrote:
>
> Anyway, I picked up the Jeep after work and, of course the shop manager wanted
> to talk 4-wheeling. He told me about his last trip to the coves where he and
> his buddies made it out to the 5th cove and then decided that taking the trail
> back to Butcher Jones would take way too long and so they decided to go cross
> country instead. His rational was that the desert had destroyed by a brushfire
> and there wasn't any vegetation to damage. I told him in no uncertain term
> that the Tonto National Forest does not allow cross country travel in the
> forest or in the Rolls OHV area. Of course, this turned into several minutes
> of him ranting and raving about all these areas in Arizona being closed to OHV
> use. Yada yada yada..... I told him that it was people like him and his
> friends that helped this happen. I don't think he got the point.
_THESE_ are the people we need to reach. However, I can't think of
anything to add to what Linda said. Any one have any bright ideas on
how to help these people get the point, and protect our public lands?
5402 From: Sullivan, Len <LSULLIV@C...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 7:55am
Subject: Re: Coves Cleanup - trailer
I don't have a trailer, but my truck will hold a substantial amount of
trash. One of my friends will also be there with his truck, and if we can't
locate a trailer I could have my girlfriend bring her 2wd truck out and take
it in as far as it will go.
Len Sullivan
Vendor Direct Transmissions
and Faxstar Operations Coordinator
CSK Automotive, Inc.
602.631.7845
mailto:lsulliv@c...
5403 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 8:31am
Subject: Re: Jeep Service and other things
The only thing I can think of is to tell them they can be as
mad and as indignant as they want, but if they keep it up,
the Sierra Club, Clinton and their lawyers are going to turn
it into a national park with NO motorized access.
FOREVER.......
Good job standing up to him Linda. Passive complaining right
now will cost all of us more than we wish to pay.
Dave Reinken wrote:
>
> Linda Luik wrote:
> >
> > Anyway, I picked up the Jeep after work and, of course the shop manager wanted
> > to talk 4-wheeling. He told me about his last trip to the coves where he and
> > his buddies made it out to the 5th cove and then decided that taking the trail
> > back to Butcher Jones would take way too long and so they decided to go cross
> > country instead. His rational was that the desert had destroyed by a brushfire
> > and there wasn't any vegetation to damage. I told him in no uncertain term
> > that the Tonto National Forest does not allow cross country travel in the
> > forest or in the Rolls OHV area. Of course, this turned into several minutes
> > of him ranting and raving about all these areas in Arizona being closed to OHV
> > use. Yada yada yada..... I told him that it was people like him and his
> > friends that helped this happen. I don't think he got the point.
>
> _THESE_ are the people we need to reach. However, I can't think of
> anything to add to what Linda said. Any one have any bright ideas on
> how to help these people get the point, and protect our public lands?
>
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5404 From: josh ragan <joshragan@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 8:24am
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
I agree with Dave. If you were to sell a vehicle that
the cable had been disconnected from with out letting
the person or dealer buying it and stating the
odometer reading was not correct on the title, you are
also breaking the law. If one is that concern with
warranty there are options out there for extended
warrantees, some I believe can even be picked up after
the manufactures warrantee has ran out(although after
the manufactures warrantee has ran out the price
increases quite a bit).
I think it is quite ironic that everyone complains
about being screwed (for the lack of better words) by
different companies and repair shops, but if it
happens to be the other way around it is exceptable.
Honesty is alway the best bet, dishonesty will come
back to haunt you. This group should have seen this
in the last week. Prime example is what happened with
the OSMTJ none of us will being using that dealer for
any type of service or sales in the future.
You did the right thing and the dealer took care of
you just like they should have
--- Dave Reinken <daver@c...> wrote:
> Maniatico wrote:
> >
> > Just wanted to update everyone on my transfer case
> warranty issue. The
> > dealer didn't put up a fight. They were
> apologetic and threw a 5-star tag
> > on the jeep to speed up the repair. Thanks for
> all the feedback. I should
> > have it back by this weekend. . . is anyone
> interested in the crown king
> > run..
> >
> > ** I should have thought about disconnecting the
> odometer. Oh well..
> >
> No you shouldn't have. You did just what you should
> have done and the
> dealer made good on it. Disconnecting the odometer
> to falsify your
> mileage is a _dishonest_ and _wrong_ thing to do.
> You wouldn't want to
> buy a used vehicle with only 20,000 miles, and then
> find out that it
> really had 60,000, and "hadn't moved" for years..
>
>
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5405 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 8:43am
Subject: Re: Coves Cleanup - trailer
I have an off-road trailer (about 4'x5' with 18" sides) but I don't have
plates or lights on it yet. I will try to get it finished by the cleanup
weekend.
Pete
5406 From: Ken Unterriner <jeep108@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 9:40am
Subject: Re: Coves cleanup
I am going to put in for the days off at work now so I can make it.
Ken U
84 cj7
"ross skinner" <rskinne-@s...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5389
> Jon, don't give up on the Cleanup trip. Maybe make it just Sat. and
more people will come. I can tell you that the garbage that is out
there is being blamed on us.
> We all have fun and I know we do not abuse our lands, but, we are an
easy target and this type of thing goes a long way in improving our
image.
> I find it hard to believe that our people won't help out on this.
>
> Count me in.
> Ross
>
5407 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 10:02am
Subject: from Carla Boucher
Please read and send Mr. Dombeck a letter.
Leah
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The following excerpt came from the 1/26/00 issue of the San
Francisco Chronicle:
http://pb1-1.newsreal.com/osform/NewsService?osform_template=pages/envirolinkStory&ID=envi
rolink&path=News/Category.NRdb@2@9&storypath=News/Story_2000_01_26.NRdb@2@15@3@379
You can see by the last sentence in the excerpt that Mr. Dombeck
thinks that the road
policy will conclusively close roads, and is a done deal. I
appreciate him giving us just
another piece of evidence to use when we litigate the policy. Even
if it may not look
like it at times, this is still the United States, and agencies are
not permitted to
circumvent NEPA and the APA by making public involvement just an
illusion.
The time is now to send Mr. Dombeck a message that statements by him
expressing a
pre-determined outcome for the roads policy is a violation of the
Administrative Procedure
Act, 5 U.S.C. 553(c) and we are holding him accountable. A brief
postcard letter can be
found at: http://www.wi4wda.org/carlaboucher
I have included a pasted copy of the postcard letter here for those
that do not
have Internet access.
Please help us protect our rights and our access. Please write.
Thank you,
Carla Boucher, Esq.
United Four Wheel Drive Associations
P.O. Box 15696
Chesapeake, VA 23328
(757) 482-4474
ccboucher@h...
*********
Excerpt from San Francisco Chronicle:
Another reason for closing roads is monetary. The Forest Service's
budget includes enough
money to maintain only about 17 percent of its roads, said Dombeck,
so it is proceeding
with a new plan that could ultimately result in the closure of the
rest.
"We have an $11 billion road maintenance backlog," he said.
"Essentially, we have more
roads than we can afford."
Last year, the Forest Service declared an 18-month moratorium on
road-building, as Dombeck
said, "to get a timeout." In the next few weeks, he said, the agency
will release a draft
management policy on roads.
The policy will direct forest supervisors to meet with local
officials to determine which
Forest Service roads are crucial to regional transportation needs,
said Dombeck. In the
end, he said, there will be fewer roads.
*************
*************
Postcard Letter:
Mr. Michael P. Dombeck, Chief
USDA Forest Service
1400 Independence Ave., S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20090-6090
VIA FACSIMILE: (202) 205-1765
VIA E-MAIL: Mike.Dombeck/wo@f...
February 2, 2000
Dear Mr. Dombeck,
In the 1/26/00 issue of the San Francisco Chronicle reporting on
your speech to the
Commonwealth Club of California, you were quoted as stating, "In the
end there will be
fewer roads".
I'm sure that you must have been misquoted. As Chief of the Forest
Service I can not
believe that you would be so careless as to make a statement
indicating that the
conclusions of the roads policy have already been decided upon. To
do so would be to
violate the Administrative Procedure Act (APA), section 553(c) which
states that the
public must be given an opportunity to participate in rulemaking.
Such public
participation in the roads policy would only be an illusion if the
Forest Service has
already decided the outcome of the rulemaking.
Please contact me if you were misquoted by the San Francisco
Chronicle. If I do not hear
from you within 30 days I will have to conclude that the statement
was made by you and
that the Forest Service stands in violation of the APA regarding the
soon to be released
roads policy.
Sincerely yours,
Name
Address
Telephone number
5408 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 9:18am
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Iam always interested in crown king. But my jeep isn't done yet. still kinda
leery.
Steve
5409 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 4:45pm
Subject: was 'In a world of hurt!!' now Crown King
Who is going to Crown King and when? This is the first I've heard of it.
Larry
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> Iam always interested in crown king. But my jeep isn't done yet. still
kinda
> leery.
>
> Steve
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5410 From: Chip Jones <twogun@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 5:52pm
Subject: bounced messages?????
Does anyone know what this is about? I seem to be getting all of the
postings and clean my mailbox out every day.
Thanks,
Chip
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5411 From: <Bmhedges@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 3:17pm
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Just wanted to point out that new chevrolets the dealer can tap into the
computer and tell milage and how big a load you have ever pulled and will
record the last 20 starts at least that is what Ive been told
bmhedges@a...
1959 CJ3B
5412 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Wed Feb 2, 2000 10:29pm
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
From what I hear they are now also putting in voice recorders like airplanes
also. As well as data recorders.... Ie: little black boxes. in case of
accidents and or mishaps.... I am also see information that the Big three
are using Low-Jack Vehicle recovery more and more. My understanding is that
they are placing it in most vehicles and are not activating it unless you
ask the delear.. (agian hearsay) Who says thaa they can't just activate it
when they want by satallite, like Onsat...
Food for thought!!
Dave (azxj)
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From: Bmhedges@a... [mailto:Bmhedges@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 9:18 PM
To: joshragan@y...; daver@c...; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: In a world of hurt!!
Just wanted to point out that new chevrolets the dealer can tap into the
computer and tell milage and how big a load you have ever pulled and will
record the last 20 starts at least that is what Ive been told
bmhedges@a...
1959 CJ3B
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5413 From: Maniatico <maniatico@h...>
Date: Sun Mar 5, 2000 0:16am
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Steve -
My buddy and I have never made this run before. What is it like this time
of year
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Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 3:19 PM
To: maniatico@h...; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: In a world of hurt!!
Iam always interested in crown king. But my jeep isn't done yet. still kinda
leery.
Steve