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5339 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 4:04pm
Subject: Re: TeraFlex Adjustable rear track bar (TJ's)
Nope, but it does require the continued use of the relocation bracket that
comes w/ most lift kits....so as to keep the angle of the track bar as
originally designed. Otherwise, you'd get excessive side to side axle
movement as the suspension cycles. If your already lifted and have a
relocation bracket, installation is a snap. It can get a little more
entailed w/ a Tomkin gas tank skid (requires some minor bolt trimming to
clear the skid).
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TeraFlex Adjustable rear track bar (TJ's)
> Does it require drilling?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> To: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 1:30 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] TeraFlex Adjustable rear track bar (TJ's)
>
>
> > JoeW and I just finished installing our new TeraFlex adjustable (and
> > flexible) rear track bars on our TJ's. Installation was fairly straight
> > forward...and I'm please to say that the new bar clears the Tomkin gas
> tank
> > skid brackets. Joe and I were both surprised at how much the stock bars
> had
> > been worn away by the Tomkin.
> >
> > The new bars should aid in rear articulation...we'll see in Parker next
> week
> > how it does.
> >
> > Doug
> >
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5340 From: Joe Larkin <joeclarkin@y...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 4:25pm
Subject: TR - Battle Axe/Gila River Trip
>>I am planning an exploratory trip in the Battle Axe Rd - Gila River
>>area on
>>1/29 or 1/30. This will probably be a long day and I have no idea
>>what
>>we are
>>going to see. A friend of mine with a HUMM (the ER fell off) is
>>interested in
>>checking out this area. Most likely we will make it out to the
coke
>>ovens.
>>Let me know if you are interested in coming along.
>>
>>Linda
I am interested on going on this. I have a chili-pepper red TJ so if
I drive right by honk.
Joe Larkin
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5341 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 4:40pm
Subject: Camping - Burro Creek
About a week ago I posted an email about Burro Creek - looks like a great place for summer weather camping. I got a response from the website where I found the information and also some further info on the area:
--------------
Jon:
No difficult obstacles getting to the Burro Creek area. You turn right JUST
before the gas station at "Nothing" and proceed down the hill to the creek
area. Its only 3-4 miles down. From there we usually camp and explore. I
haven't been on all the roads, but I think your club could find some good
trails to explore. Maybe a small group could go out and do a pre-run some
of the trails in the area. I'm not familiar with any restrictions. Some of
the land is BLM but I don't know of any permit requirements, and don't
recall any notices posted.
Sorry I can't be of any more help. Hope you enjoy your future adventures in
the Burro Creek area.
Ron Stoddard
--------------------
Also take a look at:
http://www.carizona.com/attractions/burro_creek.html
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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5342 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:51pm
Subject: Re: TeraFlex Adjustable rear track bar (TJ's)
Doug,
I was intrigued by the idea of a ZJ rear trackbar with a rod-end bearing/heim
joint for the ZJ after talking with you at the tool store, but after thinking
about it for a bit, decided that it wouldn't be a good idea -- especially for
the flexible suspension that my Jeep has. Later on I discovered that RE makes an
adjustable rear trackbar for the ZJ. The only purpose I can see for it is to
re-center the axle under the body. RE, from what I understand, has never
included a well designed rear trackbar relocation mounting bracket with their
4.5" suspension lift kit for the ZJ. Still, fabricating a relocation bracket
would be cheaper. RE wants $139 for the ZJ trackbar. Removing the rear
anti-sway bar from the ZJ is the best way to improve its suspension travel.
Still, it will be interesting to see if the new trackbar helps the TJs.
Linda
DougB wrote:
> JoeW and I just finished installing our new TeraFlex adjustable (and
> flexible) rear track bars on our TJ's. Installation was fairly straight
> forward...and I'm please to say that the new bar clears the Tomkin gas tank
> skid brackets. Joe and I were both surprised at how much the stock bars had
> been worn away by the Tomkin.
>
> The new bars should aid in rear articulation...we'll see in Parker next week
> how it does.
>
> Doug
>
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5343 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:56pm
Subject: Re: TR - Battle Axe/Gila River Trip
Battle Axe Rd and the Coke Ovens is an easy trail. DougB and I discussed
checking
out some washes by the river to see if any of them are driveable, so we will
be
making some side trips. So the trail difficulty may/might/could/will
increase.
Look for the dark blue ZJ at the Texaco.
Texaco on US60 east of Florence Junction.
Meet at 8:00am, leave at 8:30am, CB channel 4
Bring lunch, water, a jacket --- we might be out there for a while!
Linda
Joe Larkin wrote:
> >>I am planning an exploratory trip in the Battle Axe Rd - Gila River
> >>area on
> >>1/29 or 1/30. This will probably be a long day and I have no idea
> >>what
> >>we are
> >>going to see. A friend of mine with a HUMM (the ER fell off) is
> >>interested in
> >>checking out this area. Most likely we will make it out to the
> coke
> >>ovens.
> >>Let me know if you are interested in coming along.
> >>
> >>Linda
>
> I am interested on going on this. I have a chili-pepper red TJ so if
> I drive right by honk.
>
> Joe Larkin
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5344 From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Tranny
funny thing I'm trying to figure out how to tell the difference between the
AX15 and the AX5...
----- Original Message -----
From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
To: VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:26 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Tranny
> Does anyone know if the Wrangler and Cherokee use the same 5spd (AX15).
>
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5345 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 8:53pm
Subject: Re: Tranny
The AX5 came w/ the 4 bangers - and the AX15 came w/ the 6 cyl. A simple way
to identify them apart is that the AX5's has its fill plug on the right
(passenger's) side and the AX15 has the fill plug on the left (driver's)
side.
Not sure if these were used in Cherokee's w/ manual tranny's...but my guess
is that they were.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
To: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>; VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
> funny thing I'm trying to figure out how to tell the difference between
the
> AX15 and the AX5...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
> To: VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Tranny
>
>
> > Does anyone know if the Wrangler and Cherokee use the same 5spd (AX15).
> >
> >
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5346 From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 8:08am
Subject: Re: Tranny
I must be missing something . I do not see a fill plug on any side. The only
plug I see is marked with "do not remove" and the drivers side.
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
To: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>; Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>;
VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
> The AX5 came w/ the 4 bangers - and the AX15 came w/ the 6 cyl. A simple
way
> to identify them apart is that the AX5's has its fill plug on the right
> (passenger's) side and the AX15 has the fill plug on the left (driver's)
> side.
>
> Not sure if these were used in Cherokee's w/ manual tranny's...but my
guess
> is that they were.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
> To: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>; VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:00 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
>
>
> > funny thing I'm trying to figure out how to tell the difference between
> the
> > AX15 and the AX5...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
> > To: VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:26 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Tranny
> >
> >
> > > Does anyone know if the Wrangler and Cherokee use the same 5spd
(AX15).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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5347 From: <Bkjeep@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 0:53pm
Subject: Jeep For Sale
Hi everyone,
Due to a lack of time I am going to sell my 1985 black CJ-7. It is in
excellent shape and is basically stock except for 2 1/2" lift and 33" all
terrain tires. It has a new Bestop supertop, Smittybilt nerf bars, one piece
rear axle (new this year), complete rear brake job, complete new exhaust
system, and numerous chrome accessories. An extremely clean jeep that runs
excellent except for that dreaded Carter carbureator. 107,000miles - tags
through June, 2001 - asking $7,000.
Call Ken @ 480-892-9016. Thanks!
5348 From: <IlTODll@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 1:42pm
Subject: tow hooks
Obviously having tow hooks is very desirable over not having tow hooks,
however for some reason my Cherokee has none. I have seen kits you can order
for adding them, and they seem to bolt on to the frame rail at the same place
as the bumper mount. Now for my question... if I were to make a sturdy steel
bumper(out of 3/16" thick c-channel), would that be strong enough to attach
tow hooks to, or would I still need to order a kit?
Brian
5349 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 6:43pm
Subject: Re: Tranny
The AX15 fill plug is on the driver's side, right by the hydraulic clutch
line (on a TJ). If you have a 4 cyl, then you have the AX5, which has the
fill on the passenger's side. I've never seen one, so I'm not sure exactly
where on the passengers side, but it should be there.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>; Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>; VJC
<az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 9:08 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
> I must be missing something . I do not see a fill plug on any side. The
only
> plug I see is marked with "do not remove" and the drivers side.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> To: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>; Dockmond Tse
<chiena@e...>;
> VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
>
>
> > The AX5 came w/ the 4 bangers - and the AX15 came w/ the 6 cyl. A simple
> way
> > to identify them apart is that the AX5's has its fill plug on the right
> > (passenger's) side and the AX15 has the fill plug on the left (driver's)
> > side.
> >
> > Not sure if these were used in Cherokee's w/ manual tranny's...but my
> guess
> > is that they were.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
> > To: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>; VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:00 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
> >
> >
> > > funny thing I'm trying to figure out how to tell the difference
between
> > the
> > > AX15 and the AX5...
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
> > > To: VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:26 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Tranny
> > >
> > >
> > > > Does anyone know if the Wrangler and Cherokee use the same 5spd
> (AX15).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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5350 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 7:27pm
Subject: Re: Parker
Hey Al...or anyone else...is there water to be had at the camping area, or
should be plan to bring enough for the stay there?
TIA,
Doug
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To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>; <dirtdog@u...>; <Azjpr53@a...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:36 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Parker Update
> Hi All.
> I have finally gotten a human to answer the phone at the La Paz County
> Park and here is the deal on camping. The RV sites with hookups are full
for
> the season. This is a bummer but there is good news. The dry camping
space
> is plentifull and allthough I was previously told that they did not take
> resevations there is a loophole.
> The large grassy area in the center of the park is considered a "group
area"
> and can be reserved. I have sent the park administrator the required
letter
> to reserve this for us. As many of you will recall this area is plenty
big
> and in a generally convienient location. I hope the lack of water and
> electric hookups won't disapoint too many of you with RVs but at least we
> will be all together. Toilet and shower houses are close by and you don't
> hear the jetboats all night long from here. Large grills are in the group
> area for cooking. The Fee per night is $10.00. per vehicle (excluding
towed
> vehicles).
> The Tucson contingent (about 6 rigs) will be meeting at the corner of
> Orange Grove Rd. and Interstate 10 at noon on the fourth to make the run
to
> Parker. We'll see the rest of you there.
> If you arrive at the Park first just tell them you are with the "WildCat
> River Run" in the group area.
>
> Al Dickson (Goat Boy)
> 81CJ7 (Blue Ox)
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5351 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 3:43am
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
Yes, the only two I found were Tera and Rusty's. Rusty uses 1"DOM (hollow),
and is adjustable, via a collar...just like the drag link uses...where you
loosen 2 bolts and turn the threaded collar. Tera is a solid bar, with a
threaded end, onto which they've put a control arm end. Both bushings on the
Tera(on either end of the arm), and the flex joint are greasable. Both
Rusty's and Tera are priced similarly.
Tera recommends keeping the track bar relocation bracket, so as to maintain
an acceptable angle on the track bar. A steeper angle (sans bracket) would
give you too much side to side axle movement, as the suspension cycles. On
Rusty's, the bracket is not retained.
Between the 2, the Tera is stronger, IMO (solid bar w/ control arm end vs.
hollow tube w/ drag link type collar).
I took out the Jeep yesterday, but noticed no significant difference in rear
articulation. Parker will be the test though. The main benefit is getting
rid of all that stress back there (from the raised pinion/rotated axle), and
being now able to clear the Tomkin. Also, now my axle is perfectly centered.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> Please let mek now what you think of their track bar.
>
> I still have the RE track-bar relocation bracket on mine, and it would be
nice
> to have a non 'patch-fix' item back there too..
>
> how much does it cost? As far as I know, only Rusty's Off-Road offers a
similar
> item, I think.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Dave
>
>
5352 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 3:52am
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
Forgot to answer your question on Price. Rusty's is around $165, and the
Tera SRP is $158. Since we ordered 2 of them, we were able to get a better
price, and saved on shipping.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
To: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
Cc: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:43 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> Yes, the only two I found were Tera and Rusty's. Rusty uses 1"DOM
(hollow),
> and is adjustable, via a collar...just like the drag link uses...where you
> loosen 2 bolts and turn the threaded collar. Tera is a solid bar, with a
> threaded end, onto which they've put a control arm end. Both bushings on
the
> Tera(on either end of the arm), and the flex joint are greasable. Both
> Rusty's and Tera are priced similarly.
>
> Tera recommends keeping the track bar relocation bracket, so as to
maintain
> an acceptable angle on the track bar. A steeper angle (sans bracket) would
> give you too much side to side axle movement, as the suspension cycles. On
> Rusty's, the bracket is not retained.
>
> Between the 2, the Tera is stronger, IMO (solid bar w/ control arm end vs.
> hollow tube w/ drag link type collar).
>
> I took out the Jeep yesterday, but noticed no significant difference in
rear
> articulation. Parker will be the test though. The main benefit is getting
> rid of all that stress back there (from the raised pinion/rotated axle),
and
> being now able to clear the Tomkin. Also, now my axle is perfectly
centered.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
> To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
>
>
> > Please let mek now what you think of their track bar.
> >
> > I still have the RE track-bar relocation bracket on mine, and it would
be
> nice
> > to have a non 'patch-fix' item back there too..
> >
> > how much does it cost? As far as I know, only Rusty's Off-Road offers a
> similar
> > item, I think.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
>
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5353 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 5:20am
Subject: test
Test message....I've not received any email in several days?
George Andrews
5354 From: T.J. Gill <ice626@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 6:19am
Subject: FOR SALE
Hi all....this post is for my sister who is not quite a JEEP girl
(yet)...she is selling:
71 International Scout
Dana 44 Front
Dana 60 Rear
4.10 gears
4spd tranny
Nissan diesel engine
3" lift/33" tires
$4,500 OBO
thanx.....
TJ
75 CJ5 (The Money Pit)
5355 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 6:24am
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Just wanted to go on record here as saying that I think that doing this
is a Bad Thing (tm). There are a few things that I'm against, one came
up in this club a year or so ago, which was switching VIN plates to
circumvent environmental laws. Another thing I'm against is falsifying
odometer readings for any reason.
P.S. Someone remind me about this is if Eric ever sells his jeep, so I
remember not to look at it...
AphroDsyak@a... wrote:
>
> I guessI am wondering why u didnt disconnect the speed sensor and stop your
> odometer. connection right to the rear of the xfre case on the drive shaft.
> i have moved for about a year now. and you canreconnect it if you get a
> break down.
>
> ERIC
5356 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 6:27am
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
Correction...Rusty's bar is about $145. I tossed my notes and am going by
memory.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
To: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
Cc: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:52 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> Forgot to answer your question on Price. Rusty's is around $165, and the
> Tera SRP is $158. Since we ordered 2 of them, we were able to get a better
> price, and saved on shipping.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> To: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
> Cc: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:43 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
>
>
> > Yes, the only two I found were Tera and Rusty's. Rusty uses 1"DOM
> (hollow),
> > and is adjustable, via a collar...just like the drag link uses...where
you
> > loosen 2 bolts and turn the threaded collar. Tera is a solid bar, with a
> > threaded end, onto which they've put a control arm end. Both bushings on
> the
> > Tera(on either end of the arm), and the flex joint are greasable. Both
> > Rusty's and Tera are priced similarly.
> >
> > Tera recommends keeping the track bar relocation bracket, so as to
> maintain
> > an acceptable angle on the track bar. A steeper angle (sans bracket)
would
> > give you too much side to side axle movement, as the suspension cycles.
On
> > Rusty's, the bracket is not retained.
> >
> > Between the 2, the Tera is stronger, IMO (solid bar w/ control arm end
vs.
> > hollow tube w/ drag link type collar).
> >
> > I took out the Jeep yesterday, but noticed no significant difference in
> rear
> > articulation. Parker will be the test though. The main benefit is
getting
> > rid of all that stress back there (from the raised pinion/rotated axle),
> and
> > being now able to clear the Tomkin. Also, now my axle is perfectly
> centered.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
> > To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> >
> >
> > > Please let mek now what you think of their track bar.
> > >
> > > I still have the RE track-bar relocation bracket on mine, and it would
> be
> > nice
> > > to have a non 'patch-fix' item back there too..
> > >
> > > how much does it cost? As far as I know, only Rusty's Off-Road offers
a
> > similar
> > > item, I think.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > -Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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5357 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 8:24am
Subject: Battle Axe Rd/Gila River Trip Report
In attendance: Doug, Melinda, and Joe (all driving TJs), Tom (Toy
4Runner), Brian and Amber (XJ) and trip leader Linda (ZJ) --- and 3
dogs.
Breakdowns: None on trail. This morning I discovered I got sand inside
one of my brake drums from the river crossing. It disintegrated the
brakeshoes and put deep grooves in the drum.
After getting on Battle Axe Rd we stopped to air down. We stopped to
air down near Copper Butte and to decide where we were going to go.
There were several choices since roads criss-cross this area. We finally
decided to go west and see where we ended up. The trail we selected took
us down a wash that turned into a small canyon. Beautiful place for
picture taking but not for driving beyond the first 100 yds or so -- oh
well!
We then took off on a road that, according to the USGS, bypassed the
impossible canyon. Tom scouted ahead and we followed a little later. We
caught up with Tom on a steep downhill section with a couple of large
washouts. We in a beautiful little valley that appeared to have a couple
of abandoned mine claims. Melinda and I walked down to see if there was
a way out. Unforunatey the trail deadended because of worse washouts
further down the trail. The trail was hardrock covered with very loose
rock. After filling the washouts a bit, Tom, Doug, Brian and Amber and
Melinda made their way down to the bottom. Tom showed us how to get air
time with a Toy 4Runner. Joe and I stayed on top of the hill. Everyone
made it back up the hill without trouble except for Brian and Amber.
Brian somehow managed to slide his Cherokee off the side of the trail
and hang it on a chunk of desert concrete. Without tow hooks front and
rear we knew it would be impossible to strap the Jeep. The usual rock
ramps, pushing and shoving failed to move it. After about an hour I
finally said the heck with it and brought out the chain I carry for no
particular purpose. We hooked the chain to the front corner of the XJ's
subframe and Doug pulled him free. I hope it didn't cause any damage.
After that we headed back to our starting point, had lunch and took a
hike up another short wash and then took off for the Cochran crossing on
the Gila River.
I do the Battle Axe Rd to the Coke Ovens every year on Super Bowl Sunday
and every year the trail changes ever so slightly. This year I noted
that the steep descent off the mountain was really torn up by open
differentials. There is also a washout a little further out that will
eventually cause problems. Our first stab at finding the Cochran
crossing turned out to be a bust, but we did end up in a little rocky
wash that ended in a 7-8 waterfall.
We made it to the crossing in record time. Joe volunteered to walk
across to check the depth. It was knee deep so we decided to go for it.
Tom took a slightly different route than the rest of us and managed to
wash the hood of his 4Runner. From there on out it was a 2wd road. We
aired up at pavement on the Florence-Kelvin Hwy around 5:30pm.
Hope everyone had a good time. It was an easy day on the trail.
Linda
5358 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 3:24pm
Subject: Re: tow hooks
iltodl-@a... wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5348
> Obviously having tow hooks is very desirable over not having tow
hooks,
> however for some reason my Cherokee has none. I have seen kits you
can order
> for adding them, and they seem to bolt on to the frame rail at the
same place
> as the bumper mount. Now for my question... if I were to make a
sturdy steel
> bumper(out of 3/16" thick c-channel), would that be strong enough to
attach
> tow hooks to, or would I still need to order a kit?
> Brian
Brian, i would think this would be okay if you mount the hooks to the
bumper(i figure you mean to the top) right where the bumper attaches to
the frame. id think with 3/16" steel you can even mount them away from
that area, but id try to keep them as close to where the frame area is
anyways just to be on the safe side.
Joey
5359 From: jim hughes <jhughes@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 3:53pm
Subject: quick disconects
i have a 98 tj and would like some advise on disconects that work
5360 From: Stanley Fetherman <SFetherman@w...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 4:22pm
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
Can you speculate why tera did not engineer a track bar to eliminate the
use of the bracket, seems like a bend in the adjustable track bar would
solve probelm with one piece? ---- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <doug-louisa@h...>
To: "Dave A." <sasakikojiro@e...>
Cc: "Jeep AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:43 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> Yes, the only two I found were Tera and Rusty's. Rusty uses 1"DOM
(hollow),
> and is adjustable, via a collar...just like the drag link uses...where you
> loosen 2 bolts and turn the threaded collar. Tera is a solid bar, with a
> threaded end, onto which they've put a control arm end. Both bushings on
the
> Tera(on either end of the arm), and the flex joint are greasable. Both
> Rusty's and Tera are priced similarly.
>
> Tera recommends keeping the track bar relocation bracket, so as to
maintain
> an acceptable angle on the track bar. A steeper angle (sans bracket) would
> give you too much side to side axle movement, as the suspension cycles. On
> Rusty's, the bracket is not retained.
>
> Between the 2, the Tera is stronger, IMO (solid bar w/ control arm end vs.
> hollow tube w/ drag link type collar).
>
> I took out the Jeep yesterday, but noticed no significant difference in
rear
> articulation. Parker will be the test though. The main benefit is getting
> rid of all that stress back there (from the raised pinion/rotated axle),
and
> being now able to clear the Tomkin. Also, now my axle is perfectly
centered.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
> To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
>
>
> > Please let mek now what you think of their track bar.
> >
> > I still have the RE track-bar relocation bracket on mine, and it would
be
> nice
> > to have a non 'patch-fix' item back there too..
> >
> > how much does it cost? As far as I know, only Rusty's Off-Road offers a
> similar
> > item, I think.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
>
>
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5361 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 4:26pm
Subject: Re: quick disconects
Jim - I just installed a TeraFlex 3" lift on my 98 TJ. It came with
TeraFlex's new quick disconnects and they are the best. It is a one piece
bar that swings up and put of the way easily. It takes 10 seconds to
disconnect. It takes a bit longer to re-connect since you may have to
redistribute the weight of the Jeep to get the hole to line up with the
pin. Usually having someone stand on the bumper works and you are back in
business. They sell the quick disconnects separately, but I have no idea
about the cost. Call Off Road Unlimited (Mesa and Scottsdale) and ask them.
They are TerraFlex retailer and everything they have done for me has been
top notch.
TerraFlex: http://www.teraflx.com/main/catalog/accessories/cat_access1.htm
Scroll to the bottom of this page to see the disconnects
Off Road Unlimited: http://www.macromotive.com/home.cfm
This is the Internet version of Off Road Unlimited.
At 03:53 PM 1/31/00 -0800, jim hughes wrote:
>i have a 98 tj and would like some advise on disconects that work
=================
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Convenient P&C Group
(610) 521-6066
=================
5362 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 5:09pm
Subject: Re: quick disconects
I agree.... Tera makes the best disco's.
> Jim - I just installed a TeraFlex 3" lift on my 98 TJ. It came with
> TeraFlex's new quick disconnects and they are the best. It is a one piece
> bar that swings up and put of the way easily. It takes 10 seconds to
> disconnect
5363 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
Yes...the retention of the track bar relocation bracket is very deliberate
and beneficial. Without the bracket, the rear track bar would be at a
greater angle...which means that as your suspension cycles, you would get
excessive side to side movement of the axle in relation to the frame/body.
The flatter the angle, the less side to side movement you'd get...which is
why their bar retains the bracket.
An added benefit to retaining the bracket is that you don't have to take the
f*****g thing off. I don't know about you, but I recall mine as being a
PITA to install, so I was happy to leave it alone.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Stanley Fetherman <SFetherman@w...>
To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>; Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
Cc: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> Can you speculate why tera did not engineer a track bar to eliminate the
> use of the bracket, seems like a bend in the adjustable track bar would
> solve probelm with one piece? ---- Original Message -----
> From: "DougB" <doug-louisa@h...>
> To: "Dave A." <sasakikojiro@e...>
> Cc: "Jeep AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:43 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
>
>
> > Yes, the only two I found were Tera and Rusty's. Rusty uses 1"DOM
> (hollow),
> > and is adjustable, via a collar...just like the drag link uses...where
you
> > loosen 2 bolts and turn the threaded collar. Tera is a solid bar, with a
> > threaded end, onto which they've put a control arm end. Both bushings on
> the
> > Tera(on either end of the arm), and the flex joint are greasable. Both
> > Rusty's and Tera are priced similarly.
> >
> > Tera recommends keeping the track bar relocation bracket, so as to
> maintain
> > an acceptable angle on the track bar. A steeper angle (sans bracket)
would
> > give you too much side to side axle movement, as the suspension cycles.
On
> > Rusty's, the bracket is not retained.
> >
> > Between the 2, the Tera is stronger, IMO (solid bar w/ control arm end
vs.
> > hollow tube w/ drag link type collar).
> >
> > I took out the Jeep yesterday, but noticed no significant difference in
> rear
> > articulation. Parker will be the test though. The main benefit is
getting
> > rid of all that stress back there (from the raised pinion/rotated axle),
> and
> > being now able to clear the Tomkin. Also, now my axle is perfectly
> centered.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
> > To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> >
> >
> > > Please let mek now what you think of their track bar.
> > >
> > > I still have the RE track-bar relocation bracket on mine, and it would
> be
> > nice
> > > to have a non 'patch-fix' item back there too..
> > >
> > > how much does it cost? As far as I know, only Rusty's Off-Road offers
a
> > similar
> > > item, I think.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > -Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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5339 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 4:04pm
Subject: Re: TeraFlex Adjustable rear track bar (TJ's)
Nope, but it does require the continued use of the relocation bracket that
comes w/ most lift kits....so as to keep the angle of the track bar as
originally designed. Otherwise, you'd get excessive side to side axle
movement as the suspension cycles. If your already lifted and have a
relocation bracket, installation is a snap. It can get a little more
entailed w/ a Tomkin gas tank skid (requires some minor bolt trimming to
clear the skid).
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TeraFlex Adjustable rear track bar (TJ's)
> Does it require drilling?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> To: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 1:30 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] TeraFlex Adjustable rear track bar (TJ's)
>
>
> > JoeW and I just finished installing our new TeraFlex adjustable (and
> > flexible) rear track bars on our TJ's. Installation was fairly straight
> > forward...and I'm please to say that the new bar clears the Tomkin gas
> tank
> > skid brackets. Joe and I were both surprised at how much the stock bars
> had
> > been worn away by the Tomkin.
> >
> > The new bars should aid in rear articulation...we'll see in Parker next
> week
> > how it does.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
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5340 From: Joe Larkin <joeclarkin@y...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 4:25pm
Subject: TR - Battle Axe/Gila River Trip
>>I am planning an exploratory trip in the Battle Axe Rd - Gila River
>>area on
>>1/29 or 1/30. This will probably be a long day and I have no idea
>>what
>>we are
>>going to see. A friend of mine with a HUMM (the ER fell off) is
>>interested in
>>checking out this area. Most likely we will make it out to the
coke
>>ovens.
>>Let me know if you are interested in coming along.
>>
>>Linda
I am interested on going on this. I have a chili-pepper red TJ so if
I drive right by honk.
Joe Larkin
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5341 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 4:40pm
Subject: Camping - Burro Creek
About a week ago I posted an email about Burro Creek - looks like a great place for summer weather camping. I got a response from the website where I found the information and also some further info on the area:
--------------
Jon:
No difficult obstacles getting to the Burro Creek area. You turn right JUST
before the gas station at "Nothing" and proceed down the hill to the creek
area. Its only 3-4 miles down. From there we usually camp and explore. I
haven't been on all the roads, but I think your club could find some good
trails to explore. Maybe a small group could go out and do a pre-run some
of the trails in the area. I'm not familiar with any restrictions. Some of
the land is BLM but I don't know of any permit requirements, and don't
recall any notices posted.
Sorry I can't be of any more help. Hope you enjoy your future adventures in
the Burro Creek area.
Ron Stoddard
--------------------
Also take a look at:
http://www.carizona.com/attractions/burro_creek.html
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
----------------------------
5342 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:51pm
Subject: Re: TeraFlex Adjustable rear track bar (TJ's)
Doug,
I was intrigued by the idea of a ZJ rear trackbar with a rod-end bearing/heim
joint for the ZJ after talking with you at the tool store, but after thinking
about it for a bit, decided that it wouldn't be a good idea -- especially for
the flexible suspension that my Jeep has. Later on I discovered that RE makes an
adjustable rear trackbar for the ZJ. The only purpose I can see for it is to
re-center the axle under the body. RE, from what I understand, has never
included a well designed rear trackbar relocation mounting bracket with their
4.5" suspension lift kit for the ZJ. Still, fabricating a relocation bracket
would be cheaper. RE wants $139 for the ZJ trackbar. Removing the rear
anti-sway bar from the ZJ is the best way to improve its suspension travel.
Still, it will be interesting to see if the new trackbar helps the TJs.
Linda
DougB wrote:
> JoeW and I just finished installing our new TeraFlex adjustable (and
> flexible) rear track bars on our TJ's. Installation was fairly straight
> forward...and I'm please to say that the new bar clears the Tomkin gas tank
> skid brackets. Joe and I were both surprised at how much the stock bars had
> been worn away by the Tomkin.
>
> The new bars should aid in rear articulation...we'll see in Parker next week
> how it does.
>
> Doug
>
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5343 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:56pm
Subject: Re: TR - Battle Axe/Gila River Trip
Battle Axe Rd and the Coke Ovens is an easy trail. DougB and I discussed
checking
out some washes by the river to see if any of them are driveable, so we will
be
making some side trips. So the trail difficulty may/might/could/will
increase.
Look for the dark blue ZJ at the Texaco.
Texaco on US60 east of Florence Junction.
Meet at 8:00am, leave at 8:30am, CB channel 4
Bring lunch, water, a jacket --- we might be out there for a while!
Linda
Joe Larkin wrote:
> >>I am planning an exploratory trip in the Battle Axe Rd - Gila River
> >>area on
> >>1/29 or 1/30. This will probably be a long day and I have no idea
> >>what
> >>we are
> >>going to see. A friend of mine with a HUMM (the ER fell off) is
> >>interested in
> >>checking out this area. Most likely we will make it out to the
> coke
> >>ovens.
> >>Let me know if you are interested in coming along.
> >>
> >>Linda
>
> I am interested on going on this. I have a chili-pepper red TJ so if
> I drive right by honk.
>
> Joe Larkin
>
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5344 From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 5:00pm
Subject: Re: Tranny
funny thing I'm trying to figure out how to tell the difference between the
AX15 and the AX5...
----- Original Message -----
From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
To: VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:26 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Tranny
> Does anyone know if the Wrangler and Cherokee use the same 5spd (AX15).
>
>
>
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5345 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Sat Jan 29, 2000 8:53pm
Subject: Re: Tranny
The AX5 came w/ the 4 bangers - and the AX15 came w/ the 6 cyl. A simple way
to identify them apart is that the AX5's has its fill plug on the right
(passenger's) side and the AX15 has the fill plug on the left (driver's)
side.
Not sure if these were used in Cherokee's w/ manual tranny's...but my guess
is that they were.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
To: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>; VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
> funny thing I'm trying to figure out how to tell the difference between
the
> AX15 and the AX5...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
> To: VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Tranny
>
>
> > Does anyone know if the Wrangler and Cherokee use the same 5spd (AX15).
> >
> >
> >
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5346 From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 8:08am
Subject: Re: Tranny
I must be missing something . I do not see a fill plug on any side. The only
plug I see is marked with "do not remove" and the drivers side.
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
To: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>; Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>;
VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
> The AX5 came w/ the 4 bangers - and the AX15 came w/ the 6 cyl. A simple
way
> to identify them apart is that the AX5's has its fill plug on the right
> (passenger's) side and the AX15 has the fill plug on the left (driver's)
> side.
>
> Not sure if these were used in Cherokee's w/ manual tranny's...but my
guess
> is that they were.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
> To: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>; VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:00 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
>
>
> > funny thing I'm trying to figure out how to tell the difference between
> the
> > AX15 and the AX5...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
> > To: VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:26 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Tranny
> >
> >
> > > Does anyone know if the Wrangler and Cherokee use the same 5spd
(AX15).
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5347 From: <Bkjeep@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 0:53pm
Subject: Jeep For Sale
Hi everyone,
Due to a lack of time I am going to sell my 1985 black CJ-7. It is in
excellent shape and is basically stock except for 2 1/2" lift and 33" all
terrain tires. It has a new Bestop supertop, Smittybilt nerf bars, one piece
rear axle (new this year), complete rear brake job, complete new exhaust
system, and numerous chrome accessories. An extremely clean jeep that runs
excellent except for that dreaded Carter carbureator. 107,000miles - tags
through June, 2001 - asking $7,000.
Call Ken @ 480-892-9016. Thanks!
5348 From: <IlTODll@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 1:42pm
Subject: tow hooks
Obviously having tow hooks is very desirable over not having tow hooks,
however for some reason my Cherokee has none. I have seen kits you can order
for adding them, and they seem to bolt on to the frame rail at the same place
as the bumper mount. Now for my question... if I were to make a sturdy steel
bumper(out of 3/16" thick c-channel), would that be strong enough to attach
tow hooks to, or would I still need to order a kit?
Brian
5349 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 6:43pm
Subject: Re: Tranny
The AX15 fill plug is on the driver's side, right by the hydraulic clutch
line (on a TJ). If you have a 4 cyl, then you have the AX5, which has the
fill on the passenger's side. I've never seen one, so I'm not sure exactly
where on the passengers side, but it should be there.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>; Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>; VJC
<az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 9:08 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
> I must be missing something . I do not see a fill plug on any side. The
only
> plug I see is marked with "do not remove" and the drivers side.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> To: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>; Dockmond Tse
<chiena@e...>;
> VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
>
>
> > The AX5 came w/ the 4 bangers - and the AX15 came w/ the 6 cyl. A simple
> way
> > to identify them apart is that the AX5's has its fill plug on the right
> > (passenger's) side and the AX15 has the fill plug on the left (driver's)
> > side.
> >
> > Not sure if these were used in Cherokee's w/ manual tranny's...but my
> guess
> > is that they were.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Eric Marble <EMarble3@p...>
> > To: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>; VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 6:00 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Tranny
> >
> >
> > > funny thing I'm trying to figure out how to tell the difference
between
> > the
> > > AX15 and the AX5...
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
> > > To: VJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 5:26 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Tranny
> > >
> > >
> > > > Does anyone know if the Wrangler and Cherokee use the same 5spd
> (AX15).
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5350 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Sun Jan 30, 2000 7:27pm
Subject: Re: Parker
Hey Al...or anyone else...is there water to be had at the camping area, or
should be plan to bring enough for the stay there?
TIA,
Doug
----- Original Message -----
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To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>; <dirtdog@u...>; <Azjpr53@a...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:36 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Parker Update
> Hi All.
> I have finally gotten a human to answer the phone at the La Paz County
> Park and here is the deal on camping. The RV sites with hookups are full
for
> the season. This is a bummer but there is good news. The dry camping
space
> is plentifull and allthough I was previously told that they did not take
> resevations there is a loophole.
> The large grassy area in the center of the park is considered a "group
area"
> and can be reserved. I have sent the park administrator the required
letter
> to reserve this for us. As many of you will recall this area is plenty
big
> and in a generally convienient location. I hope the lack of water and
> electric hookups won't disapoint too many of you with RVs but at least we
> will be all together. Toilet and shower houses are close by and you don't
> hear the jetboats all night long from here. Large grills are in the group
> area for cooking. The Fee per night is $10.00. per vehicle (excluding
towed
> vehicles).
> The Tucson contingent (about 6 rigs) will be meeting at the corner of
> Orange Grove Rd. and Interstate 10 at noon on the fourth to make the run
to
> Parker. We'll see the rest of you there.
> If you arrive at the Park first just tell them you are with the "WildCat
> River Run" in the group area.
>
> Al Dickson (Goat Boy)
> 81CJ7 (Blue Ox)
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5351 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 3:43am
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
Yes, the only two I found were Tera and Rusty's. Rusty uses 1"DOM (hollow),
and is adjustable, via a collar...just like the drag link uses...where you
loosen 2 bolts and turn the threaded collar. Tera is a solid bar, with a
threaded end, onto which they've put a control arm end. Both bushings on the
Tera(on either end of the arm), and the flex joint are greasable. Both
Rusty's and Tera are priced similarly.
Tera recommends keeping the track bar relocation bracket, so as to maintain
an acceptable angle on the track bar. A steeper angle (sans bracket) would
give you too much side to side axle movement, as the suspension cycles. On
Rusty's, the bracket is not retained.
Between the 2, the Tera is stronger, IMO (solid bar w/ control arm end vs.
hollow tube w/ drag link type collar).
I took out the Jeep yesterday, but noticed no significant difference in rear
articulation. Parker will be the test though. The main benefit is getting
rid of all that stress back there (from the raised pinion/rotated axle), and
being now able to clear the Tomkin. Also, now my axle is perfectly centered.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> Please let mek now what you think of their track bar.
>
> I still have the RE track-bar relocation bracket on mine, and it would be
nice
> to have a non 'patch-fix' item back there too..
>
> how much does it cost? As far as I know, only Rusty's Off-Road offers a
similar
> item, I think.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Dave
>
>
5352 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 3:52am
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
Forgot to answer your question on Price. Rusty's is around $165, and the
Tera SRP is $158. Since we ordered 2 of them, we were able to get a better
price, and saved on shipping.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
To: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
Cc: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:43 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> Yes, the only two I found were Tera and Rusty's. Rusty uses 1"DOM
(hollow),
> and is adjustable, via a collar...just like the drag link uses...where you
> loosen 2 bolts and turn the threaded collar. Tera is a solid bar, with a
> threaded end, onto which they've put a control arm end. Both bushings on
the
> Tera(on either end of the arm), and the flex joint are greasable. Both
> Rusty's and Tera are priced similarly.
>
> Tera recommends keeping the track bar relocation bracket, so as to
maintain
> an acceptable angle on the track bar. A steeper angle (sans bracket) would
> give you too much side to side axle movement, as the suspension cycles. On
> Rusty's, the bracket is not retained.
>
> Between the 2, the Tera is stronger, IMO (solid bar w/ control arm end vs.
> hollow tube w/ drag link type collar).
>
> I took out the Jeep yesterday, but noticed no significant difference in
rear
> articulation. Parker will be the test though. The main benefit is getting
> rid of all that stress back there (from the raised pinion/rotated axle),
and
> being now able to clear the Tomkin. Also, now my axle is perfectly
centered.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
> To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
>
>
> > Please let mek now what you think of their track bar.
> >
> > I still have the RE track-bar relocation bracket on mine, and it would
be
> nice
> > to have a non 'patch-fix' item back there too..
> >
> > how much does it cost? As far as I know, only Rusty's Off-Road offers a
> similar
> > item, I think.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
>
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5353 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 5:20am
Subject: test
Test message....I've not received any email in several days?
George Andrews
5354 From: T.J. Gill <ice626@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 6:19am
Subject: FOR SALE
Hi all....this post is for my sister who is not quite a JEEP girl
(yet)...she is selling:
71 International Scout
Dana 44 Front
Dana 60 Rear
4.10 gears
4spd tranny
Nissan diesel engine
3" lift/33" tires
$4,500 OBO
thanx.....
TJ
75 CJ5 (The Money Pit)
5355 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 6:24am
Subject: Re: In a world of hurt!!
Just wanted to go on record here as saying that I think that doing this
is a Bad Thing (tm). There are a few things that I'm against, one came
up in this club a year or so ago, which was switching VIN plates to
circumvent environmental laws. Another thing I'm against is falsifying
odometer readings for any reason.
P.S. Someone remind me about this is if Eric ever sells his jeep, so I
remember not to look at it...
AphroDsyak@a... wrote:
>
> I guessI am wondering why u didnt disconnect the speed sensor and stop your
> odometer. connection right to the rear of the xfre case on the drive shaft.
> i have moved for about a year now. and you canreconnect it if you get a
> break down.
>
> ERIC
5356 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 6:27am
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
Correction...Rusty's bar is about $145. I tossed my notes and am going by
memory.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
To: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
Cc: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:52 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> Forgot to answer your question on Price. Rusty's is around $165, and the
> Tera SRP is $158. Since we ordered 2 of them, we were able to get a better
> price, and saved on shipping.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> To: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
> Cc: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:43 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
>
>
> > Yes, the only two I found were Tera and Rusty's. Rusty uses 1"DOM
> (hollow),
> > and is adjustable, via a collar...just like the drag link uses...where
you
> > loosen 2 bolts and turn the threaded collar. Tera is a solid bar, with a
> > threaded end, onto which they've put a control arm end. Both bushings on
> the
> > Tera(on either end of the arm), and the flex joint are greasable. Both
> > Rusty's and Tera are priced similarly.
> >
> > Tera recommends keeping the track bar relocation bracket, so as to
> maintain
> > an acceptable angle on the track bar. A steeper angle (sans bracket)
would
> > give you too much side to side axle movement, as the suspension cycles.
On
> > Rusty's, the bracket is not retained.
> >
> > Between the 2, the Tera is stronger, IMO (solid bar w/ control arm end
vs.
> > hollow tube w/ drag link type collar).
> >
> > I took out the Jeep yesterday, but noticed no significant difference in
> rear
> > articulation. Parker will be the test though. The main benefit is
getting
> > rid of all that stress back there (from the raised pinion/rotated axle),
> and
> > being now able to clear the Tomkin. Also, now my axle is perfectly
> centered.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
> > To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> >
> >
> > > Please let mek now what you think of their track bar.
> > >
> > > I still have the RE track-bar relocation bracket on mine, and it would
> be
> > nice
> > > to have a non 'patch-fix' item back there too..
> > >
> > > how much does it cost? As far as I know, only Rusty's Off-Road offers
a
> > similar
> > > item, I think.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > -Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
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5357 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 8:24am
Subject: Battle Axe Rd/Gila River Trip Report
In attendance: Doug, Melinda, and Joe (all driving TJs), Tom (Toy
4Runner), Brian and Amber (XJ) and trip leader Linda (ZJ) --- and 3
dogs.
Breakdowns: None on trail. This morning I discovered I got sand inside
one of my brake drums from the river crossing. It disintegrated the
brakeshoes and put deep grooves in the drum.
After getting on Battle Axe Rd we stopped to air down. We stopped to
air down near Copper Butte and to decide where we were going to go.
There were several choices since roads criss-cross this area. We finally
decided to go west and see where we ended up. The trail we selected took
us down a wash that turned into a small canyon. Beautiful place for
picture taking but not for driving beyond the first 100 yds or so -- oh
well!
We then took off on a road that, according to the USGS, bypassed the
impossible canyon. Tom scouted ahead and we followed a little later. We
caught up with Tom on a steep downhill section with a couple of large
washouts. We in a beautiful little valley that appeared to have a couple
of abandoned mine claims. Melinda and I walked down to see if there was
a way out. Unforunatey the trail deadended because of worse washouts
further down the trail. The trail was hardrock covered with very loose
rock. After filling the washouts a bit, Tom, Doug, Brian and Amber and
Melinda made their way down to the bottom. Tom showed us how to get air
time with a Toy 4Runner. Joe and I stayed on top of the hill. Everyone
made it back up the hill without trouble except for Brian and Amber.
Brian somehow managed to slide his Cherokee off the side of the trail
and hang it on a chunk of desert concrete. Without tow hooks front and
rear we knew it would be impossible to strap the Jeep. The usual rock
ramps, pushing and shoving failed to move it. After about an hour I
finally said the heck with it and brought out the chain I carry for no
particular purpose. We hooked the chain to the front corner of the XJ's
subframe and Doug pulled him free. I hope it didn't cause any damage.
After that we headed back to our starting point, had lunch and took a
hike up another short wash and then took off for the Cochran crossing on
the Gila River.
I do the Battle Axe Rd to the Coke Ovens every year on Super Bowl Sunday
and every year the trail changes ever so slightly. This year I noted
that the steep descent off the mountain was really torn up by open
differentials. There is also a washout a little further out that will
eventually cause problems. Our first stab at finding the Cochran
crossing turned out to be a bust, but we did end up in a little rocky
wash that ended in a 7-8 waterfall.
We made it to the crossing in record time. Joe volunteered to walk
across to check the depth. It was knee deep so we decided to go for it.
Tom took a slightly different route than the rest of us and managed to
wash the hood of his 4Runner. From there on out it was a 2wd road. We
aired up at pavement on the Florence-Kelvin Hwy around 5:30pm.
Hope everyone had a good time. It was an easy day on the trail.
Linda
5358 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 3:24pm
Subject: Re: tow hooks
iltodl-@a... wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5348
> Obviously having tow hooks is very desirable over not having tow
hooks,
> however for some reason my Cherokee has none. I have seen kits you
can order
> for adding them, and they seem to bolt on to the frame rail at the
same place
> as the bumper mount. Now for my question... if I were to make a
sturdy steel
> bumper(out of 3/16" thick c-channel), would that be strong enough to
attach
> tow hooks to, or would I still need to order a kit?
> Brian
Brian, i would think this would be okay if you mount the hooks to the
bumper(i figure you mean to the top) right where the bumper attaches to
the frame. id think with 3/16" steel you can even mount them away from
that area, but id try to keep them as close to where the frame area is
anyways just to be on the safe side.
Joey
5359 From: jim hughes <jhughes@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 3:53pm
Subject: quick disconects
i have a 98 tj and would like some advise on disconects that work
5360 From: Stanley Fetherman <SFetherman@w...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 4:22pm
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
Can you speculate why tera did not engineer a track bar to eliminate the
use of the bracket, seems like a bend in the adjustable track bar would
solve probelm with one piece? ---- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <doug-louisa@h...>
To: "Dave A." <sasakikojiro@e...>
Cc: "Jeep AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:43 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> Yes, the only two I found were Tera and Rusty's. Rusty uses 1"DOM
(hollow),
> and is adjustable, via a collar...just like the drag link uses...where you
> loosen 2 bolts and turn the threaded collar. Tera is a solid bar, with a
> threaded end, onto which they've put a control arm end. Both bushings on
the
> Tera(on either end of the arm), and the flex joint are greasable. Both
> Rusty's and Tera are priced similarly.
>
> Tera recommends keeping the track bar relocation bracket, so as to
maintain
> an acceptable angle on the track bar. A steeper angle (sans bracket) would
> give you too much side to side axle movement, as the suspension cycles. On
> Rusty's, the bracket is not retained.
>
> Between the 2, the Tera is stronger, IMO (solid bar w/ control arm end vs.
> hollow tube w/ drag link type collar).
>
> I took out the Jeep yesterday, but noticed no significant difference in
rear
> articulation. Parker will be the test though. The main benefit is getting
> rid of all that stress back there (from the raised pinion/rotated axle),
and
> being now able to clear the Tomkin. Also, now my axle is perfectly
centered.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
> To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
>
>
> > Please let mek now what you think of their track bar.
> >
> > I still have the RE track-bar relocation bracket on mine, and it would
be
> nice
> > to have a non 'patch-fix' item back there too..
> >
> > how much does it cost? As far as I know, only Rusty's Off-Road offers a
> similar
> > item, I think.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
>
>
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5361 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 4:26pm
Subject: Re: quick disconects
Jim - I just installed a TeraFlex 3" lift on my 98 TJ. It came with
TeraFlex's new quick disconnects and they are the best. It is a one piece
bar that swings up and put of the way easily. It takes 10 seconds to
disconnect. It takes a bit longer to re-connect since you may have to
redistribute the weight of the Jeep to get the hole to line up with the
pin. Usually having someone stand on the bumper works and you are back in
business. They sell the quick disconnects separately, but I have no idea
about the cost. Call Off Road Unlimited (Mesa and Scottsdale) and ask them.
They are TerraFlex retailer and everything they have done for me has been
top notch.
TerraFlex: http://www.teraflx.com/main/catalog/accessories/cat_access1.htm
Scroll to the bottom of this page to see the disconnects
Off Road Unlimited: http://www.macromotive.com/home.cfm
This is the Internet version of Off Road Unlimited.
At 03:53 PM 1/31/00 -0800, jim hughes wrote:
>i have a 98 tj and would like some advise on disconects that work
=================
Jon Loveless
Convenient P&C Group
(610) 521-6066
=================
5362 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 5:09pm
Subject: Re: quick disconects
I agree.... Tera makes the best disco's.
> Jim - I just installed a TeraFlex 3" lift on my 98 TJ. It came with
> TeraFlex's new quick disconnects and they are the best. It is a one piece
> bar that swings up and put of the way easily. It takes 10 seconds to
> disconnect
5363 From: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
Date: Mon Jan 31, 2000 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
Yes...the retention of the track bar relocation bracket is very deliberate
and beneficial. Without the bracket, the rear track bar would be at a
greater angle...which means that as your suspension cycles, you would get
excessive side to side movement of the axle in relation to the frame/body.
The flatter the angle, the less side to side movement you'd get...which is
why their bar retains the bracket.
An added benefit to retaining the bracket is that you don't have to take the
f*****g thing off. I don't know about you, but I recall mine as being a
PITA to install, so I was happy to leave it alone.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Stanley Fetherman <SFetherman@w...>
To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>; Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
Cc: Jeep AzVJC <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> Can you speculate why tera did not engineer a track bar to eliminate the
> use of the bracket, seems like a bend in the adjustable track bar would
> solve probelm with one piece? ---- Original Message -----
> From: "DougB" <doug-louisa@h...>
> To: "Dave A." <sasakikojiro@e...>
> Cc: "Jeep AzVJC" <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:43 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
>
>
> > Yes, the only two I found were Tera and Rusty's. Rusty uses 1"DOM
> (hollow),
> > and is adjustable, via a collar...just like the drag link uses...where
you
> > loosen 2 bolts and turn the threaded collar. Tera is a solid bar, with a
> > threaded end, onto which they've put a control arm end. Both bushings on
> the
> > Tera(on either end of the arm), and the flex joint are greasable. Both
> > Rusty's and Tera are priced similarly.
> >
> > Tera recommends keeping the track bar relocation bracket, so as to
> maintain
> > an acceptable angle on the track bar. A steeper angle (sans bracket)
would
> > give you too much side to side axle movement, as the suspension cycles.
On
> > Rusty's, the bracket is not retained.
> >
> > Between the 2, the Tera is stronger, IMO (solid bar w/ control arm end
vs.
> > hollow tube w/ drag link type collar).
> >
> > I took out the Jeep yesterday, but noticed no significant difference in
> rear
> > articulation. Parker will be the test though. The main benefit is
getting
> > rid of all that stress back there (from the raised pinion/rotated axle),
> and
> > being now able to clear the Tomkin. Also, now my axle is perfectly
> centered.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dave A. <sasakikojiro@e...>
> > To: DougB <doug-louisa@h...>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Rear adjustable Track Bar
> >
> >
> > > Please let mek now what you think of their track bar.
> > >
> > > I still have the RE track-bar relocation bracket on mine, and it would
> be
> > nice
> > > to have a non 'patch-fix' item back there too..
> > >
> > > how much does it cost? As far as I know, only Rusty's Off-Road offers
a
> > similar
> > > item, I think.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > -Dave
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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