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5089 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 7:46pm
Subject: Stuff For Sale - from a 98TJ
3.73 ring/pinion w/ carrier (Track Lock limited slip) and bearings; for a Dana 44 - all have about 15k miles on 'em $50
OEM 15x8 Gambler aluminum rims. Off a TJ. Works well w/ 31x10.50 tires. 4 for $120
NV231 Transfer Case w/ short output shaft (for SYE and CV driveshaft), w/ shifter and linkage. Has 22,500 mi on it. $500
4 heavy duty gas shocks (came w/ 30" tire package). Won't work w/ lift, but great for upgrading from standard shocks. $25
All purchases benefit the "Doug's Jeep Charitable Foundation".
Doug
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5090 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Check engine light.
At 82,500 miles another light comes on. It isn't the check engine light. I
think it is a
"service required" light. This is the one that tells you to have the
emissions system checked. mainly the cat converter. If the check engine light
is on, you might want to check your oxygen sensor. it might have come
unplugged.
Steve
5091 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 8:21pm
Subject: FR 42 run report
This was one for the record books.
Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15
vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki,
and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and
disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun began:
4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force Chevy
Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get
reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting
him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of
swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged
a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this
episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the leader).
6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride.
More surprises to follow.
7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup
busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive.
Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way.
This included some arguably class 3 hills.
8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on
the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had
trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour,
as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact
and whole, with the above exceptions.
10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way,
performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He
never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through
some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never
flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC
decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so
pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He
just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to
Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the
rigs moving. What a day!!
I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this run.
Jon
See pix at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
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5092 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 8:32pm
Subject: FR 42 run report
This was one for the record books.
Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15 vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki, and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun began:
4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force Chevy Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the leader).
6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride. More surprises to follow.
7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive. Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way. This included some arguably class 3 hills.
8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour, as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact and whole, with the above exceptions.
10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way, performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the rigs moving. What a day!!
I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this run.
Jon
See pix at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
----------------------------
5093 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 8:34pm
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
All I can say is WOW!!!!
looks like you all had a blast
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jloveless@e...]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:22 PM
To: az_vjc@m...
Cc: bmoorman@w...; matt@t...; tschuster@e...
Subject: [az_vjc] FR 42 run report
This was one for the record books.
Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15
vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki,
and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and
disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun began:
4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force Chevy
Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get
reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting
him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of
swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged
a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this
episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the leader).
6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride.
More surprises to follow.
7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup
busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive.
Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way.
This included some arguably class 3 hills.
8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on
the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had
trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour,
as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact
and whole, with the above exceptions.
10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way,
performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He
never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through
some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never
flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC
decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so
pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He
just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to
Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the
rigs moving. What a day!!
I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this
run.
Jon
See pix at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
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5094 From: Alan <alan@t...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 9:28pm
Subject: Re: Roll Cage
Thanks Tom, that's just what I was looking for
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Quinn <tquinn@u...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 5:24 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Roll Cage
> Alan - try 4 Wheeler Supply on Washington/32nd. I think they can make
> just about anything!
>
> Otherwise, take a look at
>
> Mountain Off-Road Enterprises (M.O.R.E.) at
> http://www.mountainoffroad.com
>
> Essentially Off-Road at
> http://www.essentiallyoffroad.com
>
> Tom
>
> "alan" <ala-@t...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5065
> > Hi All,
> > Awhile back the subject of roll cages came up and there were a
> few links posted, I recently did the Format C: thing and I forgot to
> save my Bookmarks, so if any of you know or have those book-marked, I
> would appreciate your help.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Alan Madrid
> > (98rolledTJ)-But soon to be back on the trail :o)
> >
>
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5095 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 6:31am
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
This trip sounds like a total blast. As for "a JEEP could never do that," I take offense. A small JEEP might not be able to, but my Full-Size might be up to the challenge.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@earthlink.net>
To: az_vjc@makelist.com <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Cc: bmoorman@worldnet.att.net <bmoorman@worldnet.att.net>; matt@trifiro.com <matt@trifiro.com>; tschuster@earthlink.net <tschuster@earthlink.net>
Date: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR 42 run report
This was one for the record books.
Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15 vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki, and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun began:
4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force Chevy Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the leader).
6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride. More surprises to follow.
7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive. Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way. This included some arguably class 3 hills.
8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour, as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact and whole, with the above exceptions.
10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way, performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the rigs moving. What a day!!
I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this run.
Jon
See pix at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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5096 From: LARRY A NELSON <GRIZBIKR@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 7:10am
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
Wish I could have been there... All horses in Kevin's Chevy had a work out
it sounds. GOOD JOB KEVIN!!! I'll see the TWS boys at work monday.
Till then .....TEAR IT UP!!! & enjoy the rest of the weekend with some R &
R. Sounds like you all had a long run. Pix look great. Griz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Loveless" <jloveless@e...>
To: <az_vjc@m...>
Cc: <bmoorman@w...>; <matt@t...>;
<tschuster@e...>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:21 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR 42 run report
> This was one for the record books.
> Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
>
> 1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15
> vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki,
> and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
> 2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and
> disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
> 3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun
began:
> 4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force
Chevy
> Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
> 5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get
> reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting
> him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of
> swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged
> a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this
> episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the
leader).
> 6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride.
> More surprises to follow.
> 7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup
> busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive.
> Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way.
> This included some arguably class 3 hills.
> 8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on
> the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had
> trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour,
> as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
> 9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact
> and whole, with the above exceptions.
> 10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way,
> performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
>
> The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He
> never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through
> some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never
> flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC
> decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so
> pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He
> just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to
> Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the
> rigs moving. What a day!!
>
> I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this
run.
>
> Jon
>
> See pix at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
> ---------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> 480-816-6240
> jloveless@e...
> ----------------------------
>
>
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5097 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 7:19am
Subject: Mud Springs Trip Report
Those doing this run were myself (modified TJ), Jeff (ZJ w/ Tera lift), and Kevin (ZJ w/ ProComp lift). We hit the trail at about 9am. The first part of the trail is slow and rocky...not particularly difficult, but very scenic. We made the stairs by about 9:30, and had no difficulty and made Mud Springs by about 10.
At Mud Springs is a light class 4 hill, w/ large boulders and pretty heavily washed out areas. It changes a little very time I've been there. My trip to the top was fairly uneventful, though I did lift my left front a bit at the "Dan Weed Champion Wheel Lifting Spot". The ZJ's were next. They are extremely capable off road vehicles, and Jeff and Kevin's were well set up and handled them very well, but they lacked lockers or a limited slip, so the hill was going to be a challenge.
After walking the hill, planning da lines, and scratching da heads, Jeff started up, w/ me spotting. He did very well, getting past the first main obstacle w/ little difficulty. Next was a tricky part, having to go way off camber to get around a large boulder that calling your name. If you go up too high, you'll slide into it, if you go too low, as you maneuver for the next obstacle, your rear quarter is thrown into it. Jeff took a good line, but came very close to creasing his rear quarter panel. As it turned out, he only got a small scrape on his right rear door handle.
Right after the boulder, comes a badly washed out spot, where you have to traverse and rise out to the right. This spot gave Jeff a little trouble...loosing traction, backing up and trying again. On the third try or so, he made it up fine, and went on to the next obstacle, which consists of a spot where you have to get both wheels up on separate boulders, and slowly power up and over. This gave his ZJ some trouble, and he ultimately backed down a little way and took an alternate line, that worked just fine. Shortly after that, he was on top.
Kevin's trip to the top was very similar to Jeff's. At the last main obstacle, Kevin took a different line to the right and almost made it. He got high centered a little and slightly bent his right rocker. He ended up taking the same alternate line as Jeff had and was on the top.
At this point, we broke for lunch, taking in the spectacular views.
We pushed on over some rough and washed out trail and came to the Last Chance Boulder Field. This is a trail section that is strewn w/ many large boulders and is a class 4. Since the ZJ's were running open, we collectively decided to turn back at this point.
The trip back was uneventful, except at the hill. Going down it is a rush. Off camber pucker factor all the way. There are several spots that can roll you very easily...so we all took it very slowly. Jeff pinched closed his tail pipe, and had a slight rocker scrape on the way down. At the base of the hill, a quick swipe of a hack saw fixed the tail pipe.
We made it back to the trail head by about 3:30. All in all a most excellent run.
Doug
5098 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 7:37am
Subject: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun
First of all, boy did we have a fun day. The kids were worn slick, they played in the dunes and with other kids on the trail all day.. (I was worn down to the metal). What a great bunch of people. Well. Scott K. got out easy after leading us into the lions den and then faking his transmision disconnecting. (Don't know how he did it.:-). The trail was not bad except for one small issue, a Dodge Midsize about 5 vehicles from the back slammed down on his front end and lost his front wheel drive. It became a nice looking sled at that point. Don't remember their names but they were nice guys and I want to thank all of the people who worked hard all day to get them out of there. Woody who was driving a Chevy step side setup very well managed to pull that Dodge and just about everyone else at least once through 90% of FR42. Everyone helped and it showed what this sport is all about. And guess what, we were helping non-Jeep drivers as well.
I know this is a bit long but bear:-) with me. In the entire group of 17 or so Jeeps there were two that had locked diffs, Scott and my CJ7. Everyone else made it through working it the hard way. I know I learned alot and I hope others did as well, a stock Jeep will get you about anywhere, it just needs a bit of help at times. To make it even more fun lets all work on being a bit more ready every time we go out, I know I need to. Things like tow hooks, tow lines, disconnects and a few other things and it makes it go much easier( not too easy, then it would be boring). I am not critcising, just want to share some ideas. Thanks for reading this I know it was work for my 4 fingers to type. Thanks for the fun day and Deb and our 5 boys are ready to hit it again now that I got 10 hours of sleep.
Jon Loveless, thanks for the great man on the scene work with that recorder, next time please don't get such good shoots of my CJ buried to the floor, Bill Mish will never let me here the end of it.
Ross and Deb and Crew of 5
CJ7/84 and CJ7/79
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5099 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 8:26am
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
Larry - A number of the Jeeps on FR42 only had a driver. One of the great things about this club is that everyone is there to help everyone else. Many of the Jeeps on FR42 needed spotters since the trail has become a jungle of holes and berms, especially on the hills. The line is important and we didn't move on to the next hill until everyone was safely through. That is why it took 8 hours to do a 15 mile run. The early climbers parked and came back to spot for (and in some cases set up tow ropes and in a the case of the Dodge pickup, even drive for them) anyone who need a spotter. Never fear about coming out on an AZ_VJC run alone. I think I speak for most in the group when I say that is what we are all about.
Jon
At 10:44 PM 1/15/2000 -0700, you wrote:
Jon,
One thing that has kept me from making a few of the runs with AZ_VJC was
that I cant find anyone to go with me... I'm worried about the lack of a
spotter. Should this hinder me.... are people willing to help out with
spotting in tight spots?
Was there any solo drivers on the trail 42 run today?
Thanks,
Larry
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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5100 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 9:00am
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
Damn! Why do I always end up wheelin' at the landfill while y'all have such
a good time?
"A Jeep could never do that".......I won't comment, but I'll wait 'till
George is going so that I know someone will be there that can pull me!
-Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
-FSJ List Administrator
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----- Original Message -----
From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
To: azvjc <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 7:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FR 42 run report
This trip sounds like a total blast. As for "a JEEP could never do that," I
take offense. A small JEEP might not be able to, but my Full-Size might be
up to the challenge.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
Avondale Arizona
5101 From: <ZJDreams@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 4:28am
Subject: Re: Mud Springs Trip Report
Well this was my first time out after joining azjvc and I assure you it won't
be my last! I had such a great time yesterday. I'd like to thank Doug for
an excellent job of spotting, I have a feeling without his spotting I'd be
missing a few doors and windows on my passenger side, not to mention who
knows what else.
I'd also like to point out that I crunched my tail pipe "on purpose" so I'd
have a reason to cut some of it off...I think it now has a throatier sound to
it =)
Jeff
5102 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 1:25pm
Subject: Re: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
I'll be back on the trails soon. I'd like to replace the rubber trans mount with a poly one. Does anyone know of a source for them for a TJ? I'd like to order one tomorrow, so any help would be appreciated. I'm going to replace the rubber motor mounts with the poly ones at the same time. Seems the motor mounts are much easier to locate.
Thanks,
Scott Kruize
"OSM TJ"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR42....A full day of Arizona fun
First of all, boy did we have a fun day. The kids were worn slick, they played in the dunes and with other kids on the trail all day.. (I was worn down to the metal). What a great bunch of people. Well. Scott K. got out easy after leading us into the lions den and then faking his transmision disconnecting. (Don't know how he did it.:-). The trail was not bad except for one small issue, a Dodge Midsize about 5 vehicles from the back slammed down on his front end and lost his front wheel drive. It became a nice looking sled at that point. Don't remember their names but they were nice guys and I want to thank all of the people who worked hard all day to get them out of there. Woody who was driving a Chevy step side setup very well managed to pull that Dodge and just about everyone else at least once through 90% of FR42. Everyone helped and it showed what this sport is all about. And guess what, we were helping non-Jeep drivers as well.
I know this is a bit long but bear:-) with me. In the entire group of 17 or so Jeeps there were two that had locked diffs, Scott and my CJ7. Everyone else made it through working it the hard way. I know I learned alot and I hope others did as well, a stock Jeep will get you about anywhere, it just needs a bit of help at times. To make it even more fun lets all work on being a bit more ready every time we go out, I know I need to. Things like tow hooks, tow lines, disconnects and a few other things and it makes it go much easier( not too easy, then it would be boring). I am not critcising, just want to share some ideas. Thanks for reading this I know it was work for my 4 fingers to type. Thanks for the fun day and Deb and our 5 boys are ready to hit it again now that I got 10 hours of sleep.
Jon Loveless, thanks for the great man on the scene work with that recorder, next time please don't get such good shoots of my CJ buried to the floor, Bill Mish will never let me here the end of it.
Ross and Deb and Crew of 5
CJ7/84 and CJ7/79
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5103 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 2:17pm
Subject: Re: (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
Nothing for autos yet but Daystar makes them for the TJ 5-spd. It is part #KG01008
I believe Off-Road Unlimited sales Daystar. Verify that the part number is correct before ordering.
Good Luck,
LarryM
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
I'll be back on the trails soon. I'd like to replace the rubber trans mount with a poly one. Does anyone know of a source for them for a TJ? I'd like to order one tomorrow, so any help would be appreciated. I'm going to replace the rubber motor mounts with the poly ones at the same time. Seems the motor mounts are much easier to locate.
Thanks,
Scott Kruize
"OSM TJ"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR42....A full day of Arizona fun
First of all, boy did we have a fun day. The kids were worn slick, they played in the dunes and with other kids on the trail all day.. (I was worn down to the metal). What a great bunch of people. Well. Scott K. got out easy after leading us into the lions den and then faking his transmision disconnecting. (Don't know how he did it.:-). The trail was not bad except for one small issue, a Dodge Midsize about 5 vehicles from the back slammed down on his front end and lost his front wheel drive. It became a nice looking sled at that point. Don't remember their names but they were nice guys and I want to thank all of the people who worked hard all day to get them out of there. Woody who was driving a Chevy step side setup very well managed to pull that Dodge and just about everyone else at least once through 90% of FR42. Everyone helped and it showed what this sport is all about. And guess what, we were helping non-Jeep drivers as well.
I know this is a bit long but bear:-) with me. In the entire group of 17 or so Jeeps there were two that had locked diffs, Scott and my CJ7. Everyone else made it through working it the hard way. I know I learned alot and I hope others did as well, a stock Jeep will get you about anywhere, it just needs a bit of help at times. To make it even more fun lets all work on being a bit more ready every time we go out, I know I need to. Things like tow hooks, tow lines, disconnects and a few other things and it makes it go much easier( not too easy, then it would be boring). I am not critcising, just want to share some ideas. Thanks for reading this I know it was work for my 4 fingers to type. Thanks for the fun day and Deb and our 5 boys are ready to hit it again now that I got 10 hours of sleep.
Jon Loveless, thanks for the great man on the scene work with that recorder, next time please don't get such good shoots of my CJ buried to the floor, Bill Mish will never let me here the end of it.
Ross and Deb and Crew of 5
CJ7/84 and CJ7/79
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5104 From: Dale M. Schuler <dsoutwest@e...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 2:56pm
Subject: FR42 Run on Saturday
First let me say to all that went on the run Sat. I had a great time as did
my step-father. This was my first run with a group and you really made us
feel welcome. Second, at the end of the run I was giving a Beanie Baby to
return and that person's Jeep didn't come by me by the time I was done
airing up. If who ever is missing Nanook could e-mail me their address I
would gladly get it back to you. Let me know.
Again thanks for a great time on Saturady and I am sure I will see you all
in the future.
Dale M. Schuler
dsoutwest@e...
Green 2000 TJ (Stock but not for long)
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5105 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 2:59pm
Subject: Re: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
I looked long and hard for poly trans mounts...but had no luck. If you locate any, shoot a note out. I'd be interested in swapping out.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
I'll be back on the trails soon. I'd like to replace the rubber trans mount with a poly one. Does anyone know of a source for them for a TJ? I'd like to order one tomorrow, so any help would be appreciated. I'm going to replace the rubber motor mounts with the poly ones at the same time. Seems the motor mounts are much easier to locate.
Thanks,
Scott Kruize
"OSM TJ"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR42....A full day of Arizona fun
First of all, boy did we have a fun day. The kids were worn slick, they played in the dunes and with other kids on the trail all day.. (I was worn down to the metal). What a great bunch of people. Well. Scott K. got out easy after leading us into the lions den and then faking his transmision disconnecting. (Don't know how he did it.:-). The trail was not bad except for one small issue, a Dodge Midsize about 5 vehicles from the back slammed down on his front end and lost his front wheel drive. It became a nice looking sled at that point. Don't remember their names but they were nice guys and I want to thank all of the people who worked hard all day to get them out of there. Woody who was driving a Chevy step side setup very well managed to pull that Dodge and just about everyone else at least once through 90% of FR42. Everyone helped and it showed what this sport is all about. And guess what, we were helping non-Jeep drivers as well.
I know this is a bit long but bear:-) with me. In the entire group of 17 or so Jeeps there were two that had locked diffs, Scott and my CJ7. Everyone else made it through working it the hard way. I know I learned alot and I hope others did as well, a stock Jeep will get you about anywhere, it just needs a bit of help at times. To make it even more fun lets all work on being a bit more ready every time we go out, I know I need to. Things like tow hooks, tow lines, disconnects and a few other things and it makes it go much easier( not too easy, then it would be boring). I am not critcising, just want to share some ideas. Thanks for reading this I know it was work for my 4 fingers to type. Thanks for the fun day and Deb and our 5 boys are ready to hit it again now that I got 10 hours of sleep.
Jon Loveless, thanks for the great man on the scene work with that recorder, next time please don't get such good shoots of my CJ buried to the floor, Bill Mish will never let me here the end of it.
Ross and Deb and Crew of 5
CJ7/84 and CJ7/79
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5106 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 3:47pm
Subject: Re: Roll Cage
Hunter OffRoad Products in Tempe 480-557-7577. John is a great
fabricator.
Linda
Alan wrote:
> Hi All, Awhile back the subject of roll cages came up and there
> were a few links posted, I recently did the Format C: thing and I
> forgot to save my Bookmarks, so if any of you know or have those
> book-marked, I would appreciate your help. Thanks Alan
> Madrid(98rolledTJ)-But soon to be back on the trail :o)
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5107 From: <EricKool@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 10:45am
Subject: FR42 - LOST BEANIE BABY
Dale,
I'm the guy that gave you the Beanie Baby to return to the nice 7 year old
girl (Jackie?) that loaned it to my 5 yr old son. I remember that the driver
of the TJ was Andy. If he doesn't reply, I guess you'll have a new
"4-wheeling" mascot till you meet it's owners on a run :-)
Regards,
Eric
(JPnDutch)
In a message dated 01/16/2000 6:07:34 PM , dsoutwest@e... writes:
> First let me say to all that went on the run Sat. I had a great time as did
> my step-father. This was my first run with a group and you really made us
> feel welcome. Second, at the end of the run I was giving a Beanie Baby to
> return and that person's Jeep didn't come by me by the time I was done
> airing up. If who ever is missing Nanook could e-mail me their address I
> would gladly get it back to you. Let me know.
>
> Again thanks for a great time on Saturady and I am sure I will see you all
> in the future.
>
> Dale M. Schuler
> dsoutwest@e...
> Green 2000 TJ (Stock but not for long)
>
5108 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 3:51pm
Subject: Re: comment and question for Linda
O'Boyle, David wrote:
> Linda,
> I saw a letter you wrote to one of the 4wheel Mags. I think thoes guys are
> stuck on what they like and don't really appreciate what works for everyone,
> Quote from mag. "pizza cutters are out and we like to see rigs with 35's and
> 36's" (something like that)
> It dissapoints me that the people at that magazine think this way. I think
> your ZJ is SWEET and my Xj aspires to be similar some day.
Thanks! :-)
Secondly,
> Did you get your invite for the Walapi 4wheelers 21st Rally?Just wondering
> if you were going to attend. I did recieve mine and am ready to win agian
> (LOL)!! Just kidding. I will be there though.. Guess it's time to crown a
> new Champ!!
I'll be there --- ready to come in in last place again! It's hard hit the
checkpoints on time with all that incredible scenery to look at!
Linda
>
5109 From: <AphroDsyak@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 0:02pm
Subject: HELP!!
I am looking for an internet adress for the guys that went with us on the
woodpecker run a couple weeks ago. they were in a green YJ broke an axle.
AOL deleted my old mail and i lost his adress. Could someone please send it
to me???? I am sure it was a Uof A internet adress. thanks for your help.
ERIC
5110 From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 5:24pm
Subject: Re: HELP!!
My web address is http://www.u.arizona.edu/~mschwitz/index.html
AphroDsyak@a... wrote:
>
> I am looking for an internet adress for the guys that went with us on the
> woodpecker run a couple weeks ago. they were in a green YJ broke an axle.
> AOL deleted my old mail and i lost his adress. Could someone please send it
> to me???? I am sure it was a Uof A internet adress. thanks for your help.
>
> ERIC
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The experience is coming.
> http://click.egroups.com/1/671/4/_/1966/_/948070943/
>
> -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault
> -- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/az_vjc/?m=1
5111 From: Aaron <Scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 8:01pm
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
Hey all,
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone this weekend for showing up. The girls pointed out that at the beginning of the run, there were 15 Jeeps and two non-Jeeps. John, thanks for leading the group after Scott had to bail. I had a complete blast and met some really wonderful people. I hope to see you all out on the trail again soon. I just gave the TJ a bath so it will be ready for a dust trail again soon :-). Have a great week everyone.
Aaron
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Loveless
To: az_vjc@makelist.com
Cc: bmoorman@worldnet.att.net ; matt@trifiro.com ; tschuster@earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:21 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR 42 run report
This was one for the record books.
Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15
vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki,
and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and
disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun began:
4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force Chevy
Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get
reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting
him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of
swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged
a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this
episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the leader).
6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride.
More surprises to follow.
7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup
busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive.
Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way.
This included some arguably class 3 hills.
8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on
the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had
trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour,
as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact
and whole, with the above exceptions.
10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way,
performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He
never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through
some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never
flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC
decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so
pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He
just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to
Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the
rigs moving. What a day!!
I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this run.
Jon
See pix at:
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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5112 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 10:15pm
Subject: Check engine light
The 82,500 mile check engine light is to tell you to REPLACE the oxygen sensor. The options for turning off the bulb is, the dealer ($$$), take out the bulb or put black tape over it.
Nick
Nnote@neta.com
Nnote@juno.com
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5113 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@p...>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 6:11am
Subject: Re: (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
Thanks for the info. I will call Daystar this afternoon.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Maggio
To: Scott Kruize ; azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
Nothing for autos yet but Daystar makes them for the TJ 5-spd. It is part #KG01008
I believe Off-Road Unlimited sales Daystar. Verify that the part number is correct before ordering.
Good Luck,
LarryM
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
I'll be back on the trails soon. I'd like to replace the rubber trans mount with a poly one. Does anyone know of a source for them for a TJ? I'd like to order one tomorrow, so any help would be appreciated. I'm going to replace the rubber motor mounts with the poly ones at the same time. Seems the motor mounts are much easier to locate.
Thanks,
Scott Kruize
"OSM TJ"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR42....A full day of Arizona fun
First of all, boy did we have a fun day. The kids were worn slick, they played in the dunes and with other kids on the trail all day.. (I was worn down to the metal). What a great bunch of people. Well. Scott K. got out easy after leading us into the lions den and then faking his transmision disconnecting. (Don't know how he did it.:-). The trail was not bad except for one small issue, a Dodge Midsize about 5 vehicles from the back slammed down on his front end and lost his front wheel drive. It became a nice looking sled at that point. Don't remember their names but they were nice guys and I want to thank all of the people who worked hard all day to get them out of there. Woody who was driving a Chevy step side setup very well managed to pull that Dodge and just about everyone else at least once through 90% of FR42. Everyone helped and it showed what this sport is all about. And guess what, we were helping non-Jeep drivers as well.
I know this is a bit long but bear:-) with me. In the entire group of 17 or so Jeeps there were two that had locked diffs, Scott and my CJ7. Everyone else made it through working it the hard way. I know I learned alot and I hope others did as well, a stock Jeep will get you about anywhere, it just needs a bit of help at times. To make it even more fun lets all work on being a bit more ready every time we go out, I know I need to. Things like tow hooks, tow lines, disconnects and a few other things and it makes it go much easier( not too easy, then it would be boring). I am not critcising, just want to share some ideas. Thanks for reading this I know it was work for my 4 fingers to type. Thanks for the fun day and Deb and our 5 boys are ready to hit it again now that I got 10 hours of sleep.
Jon Loveless, thanks for the great man on the scene work with that recorder, next time please don't get such good shoots of my CJ buried to the floor, Bill Mish will never let me here the end of it.
Ross and Deb and Crew of 5
CJ7/84 and CJ7/79
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5089 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 7:46pm
Subject: Stuff For Sale - from a 98TJ
3.73 ring/pinion w/ carrier (Track Lock limited slip) and bearings; for a Dana 44 - all have about 15k miles on 'em $50
OEM 15x8 Gambler aluminum rims. Off a TJ. Works well w/ 31x10.50 tires. 4 for $120
NV231 Transfer Case w/ short output shaft (for SYE and CV driveshaft), w/ shifter and linkage. Has 22,500 mi on it. $500
4 heavy duty gas shocks (came w/ 30" tire package). Won't work w/ lift, but great for upgrading from standard shocks. $25
All purchases benefit the "Doug's Jeep Charitable Foundation".
Doug
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5090 From: <BA914@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Check engine light.
At 82,500 miles another light comes on. It isn't the check engine light. I
think it is a
"service required" light. This is the one that tells you to have the
emissions system checked. mainly the cat converter. If the check engine light
is on, you might want to check your oxygen sensor. it might have come
unplugged.
Steve
5091 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 8:21pm
Subject: FR 42 run report
This was one for the record books.
Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15
vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki,
and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and
disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun began:
4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force Chevy
Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get
reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting
him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of
swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged
a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this
episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the leader).
6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride.
More surprises to follow.
7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup
busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive.
Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way.
This included some arguably class 3 hills.
8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on
the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had
trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour,
as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact
and whole, with the above exceptions.
10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way,
performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He
never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through
some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never
flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC
decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so
pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He
just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to
Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the
rigs moving. What a day!!
I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this run.
Jon
See pix at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@e...
----------------------------
5092 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 8:32pm
Subject: FR 42 run report
This was one for the record books.
Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15 vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki, and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun began:
4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force Chevy Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the leader).
6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride. More surprises to follow.
7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive. Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way. This included some arguably class 3 hills.
8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour, as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact and whole, with the above exceptions.
10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way, performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the rigs moving. What a day!!
I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this run.
Jon
See pix at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
---------------------------
Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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5093 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 8:34pm
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
All I can say is WOW!!!!
looks like you all had a blast
Dave
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Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:22 PM
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Subject: [az_vjc] FR 42 run report
This was one for the record books.
Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15
vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki,
and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and
disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun began:
4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force Chevy
Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get
reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting
him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of
swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged
a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this
episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the leader).
6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride.
More surprises to follow.
7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup
busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive.
Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way.
This included some arguably class 3 hills.
8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on
the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had
trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour,
as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact
and whole, with the above exceptions.
10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way,
performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He
never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through
some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never
flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC
decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so
pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He
just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to
Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the
rigs moving. What a day!!
I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this
run.
Jon
See pix at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
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5094 From: Alan <alan@t...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 9:28pm
Subject: Re: Roll Cage
Thanks Tom, that's just what I was looking for
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Quinn <tquinn@u...>
To: <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 5:24 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Roll Cage
> Alan - try 4 Wheeler Supply on Washington/32nd. I think they can make
> just about anything!
>
> Otherwise, take a look at
>
> Mountain Off-Road Enterprises (M.O.R.E.) at
> http://www.mountainoffroad.com
>
> Essentially Off-Road at
> http://www.essentiallyoffroad.com
>
> Tom
>
> "alan" <ala-@t...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=5065
> > Hi All,
> > Awhile back the subject of roll cages came up and there were a
> few links posted, I recently did the Format C: thing and I forgot to
> save my Bookmarks, so if any of you know or have those book-marked, I
> would appreciate your help.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Alan Madrid
> > (98rolledTJ)-But soon to be back on the trail :o)
> >
>
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5095 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 6:31am
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
This trip sounds like a total blast. As for "a JEEP could never do that," I take offense. A small JEEP might not be able to, but my Full-Size might be up to the challenge.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
Avondale Arizona
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From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@earthlink.net>
To: az_vjc@makelist.com <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Cc: bmoorman@worldnet.att.net <bmoorman@worldnet.att.net>; matt@trifiro.com <matt@trifiro.com>; tschuster@earthlink.net <tschuster@earthlink.net>
Date: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR 42 run report
This was one for the record books.
Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15 vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki, and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun began:
4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force Chevy Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the leader).
6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride. More surprises to follow.
7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive. Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way. This included some arguably class 3 hills.
8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour, as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact and whole, with the above exceptions.
10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way, performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the rigs moving. What a day!!
I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this run.
Jon
See pix at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
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5096 From: LARRY A NELSON <GRIZBIKR@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 7:10am
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
Wish I could have been there... All horses in Kevin's Chevy had a work out
it sounds. GOOD JOB KEVIN!!! I'll see the TWS boys at work monday.
Till then .....TEAR IT UP!!! & enjoy the rest of the weekend with some R &
R. Sounds like you all had a long run. Pix look great. Griz
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From: "Jon Loveless" <jloveless@e...>
To: <az_vjc@m...>
Cc: <bmoorman@w...>; <matt@t...>;
<tschuster@e...>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:21 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR 42 run report
> This was one for the record books.
> Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
>
> 1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15
> vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki,
> and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
> 2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and
> disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
> 3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun
began:
> 4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force
Chevy
> Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
> 5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get
> reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting
> him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of
> swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged
> a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this
> episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the
leader).
> 6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride.
> More surprises to follow.
> 7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup
> busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive.
> Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way.
> This included some arguably class 3 hills.
> 8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on
> the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had
> trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour,
> as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
> 9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact
> and whole, with the above exceptions.
> 10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way,
> performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
>
> The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He
> never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through
> some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never
> flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC
> decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so
> pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He
> just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to
> Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the
> rigs moving. What a day!!
>
> I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this
run.
>
> Jon
>
> See pix at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
> ---------------------------
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> 480-816-6240
> jloveless@e...
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5097 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 7:19am
Subject: Mud Springs Trip Report
Those doing this run were myself (modified TJ), Jeff (ZJ w/ Tera lift), and Kevin (ZJ w/ ProComp lift). We hit the trail at about 9am. The first part of the trail is slow and rocky...not particularly difficult, but very scenic. We made the stairs by about 9:30, and had no difficulty and made Mud Springs by about 10.
At Mud Springs is a light class 4 hill, w/ large boulders and pretty heavily washed out areas. It changes a little very time I've been there. My trip to the top was fairly uneventful, though I did lift my left front a bit at the "Dan Weed Champion Wheel Lifting Spot". The ZJ's were next. They are extremely capable off road vehicles, and Jeff and Kevin's were well set up and handled them very well, but they lacked lockers or a limited slip, so the hill was going to be a challenge.
After walking the hill, planning da lines, and scratching da heads, Jeff started up, w/ me spotting. He did very well, getting past the first main obstacle w/ little difficulty. Next was a tricky part, having to go way off camber to get around a large boulder that calling your name. If you go up too high, you'll slide into it, if you go too low, as you maneuver for the next obstacle, your rear quarter is thrown into it. Jeff took a good line, but came very close to creasing his rear quarter panel. As it turned out, he only got a small scrape on his right rear door handle.
Right after the boulder, comes a badly washed out spot, where you have to traverse and rise out to the right. This spot gave Jeff a little trouble...loosing traction, backing up and trying again. On the third try or so, he made it up fine, and went on to the next obstacle, which consists of a spot where you have to get both wheels up on separate boulders, and slowly power up and over. This gave his ZJ some trouble, and he ultimately backed down a little way and took an alternate line, that worked just fine. Shortly after that, he was on top.
Kevin's trip to the top was very similar to Jeff's. At the last main obstacle, Kevin took a different line to the right and almost made it. He got high centered a little and slightly bent his right rocker. He ended up taking the same alternate line as Jeff had and was on the top.
At this point, we broke for lunch, taking in the spectacular views.
We pushed on over some rough and washed out trail and came to the Last Chance Boulder Field. This is a trail section that is strewn w/ many large boulders and is a class 4. Since the ZJ's were running open, we collectively decided to turn back at this point.
The trip back was uneventful, except at the hill. Going down it is a rush. Off camber pucker factor all the way. There are several spots that can roll you very easily...so we all took it very slowly. Jeff pinched closed his tail pipe, and had a slight rocker scrape on the way down. At the base of the hill, a quick swipe of a hack saw fixed the tail pipe.
We made it back to the trail head by about 3:30. All in all a most excellent run.
Doug
5098 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 7:37am
Subject: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun
First of all, boy did we have a fun day. The kids were worn slick, they played in the dunes and with other kids on the trail all day.. (I was worn down to the metal). What a great bunch of people. Well. Scott K. got out easy after leading us into the lions den and then faking his transmision disconnecting. (Don't know how he did it.:-). The trail was not bad except for one small issue, a Dodge Midsize about 5 vehicles from the back slammed down on his front end and lost his front wheel drive. It became a nice looking sled at that point. Don't remember their names but they were nice guys and I want to thank all of the people who worked hard all day to get them out of there. Woody who was driving a Chevy step side setup very well managed to pull that Dodge and just about everyone else at least once through 90% of FR42. Everyone helped and it showed what this sport is all about. And guess what, we were helping non-Jeep drivers as well.
I know this is a bit long but bear:-) with me. In the entire group of 17 or so Jeeps there were two that had locked diffs, Scott and my CJ7. Everyone else made it through working it the hard way. I know I learned alot and I hope others did as well, a stock Jeep will get you about anywhere, it just needs a bit of help at times. To make it even more fun lets all work on being a bit more ready every time we go out, I know I need to. Things like tow hooks, tow lines, disconnects and a few other things and it makes it go much easier( not too easy, then it would be boring). I am not critcising, just want to share some ideas. Thanks for reading this I know it was work for my 4 fingers to type. Thanks for the fun day and Deb and our 5 boys are ready to hit it again now that I got 10 hours of sleep.
Jon Loveless, thanks for the great man on the scene work with that recorder, next time please don't get such good shoots of my CJ buried to the floor, Bill Mish will never let me here the end of it.
Ross and Deb and Crew of 5
CJ7/84 and CJ7/79
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5099 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 8:26am
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
Larry - A number of the Jeeps on FR42 only had a driver. One of the great things about this club is that everyone is there to help everyone else. Many of the Jeeps on FR42 needed spotters since the trail has become a jungle of holes and berms, especially on the hills. The line is important and we didn't move on to the next hill until everyone was safely through. That is why it took 8 hours to do a 15 mile run. The early climbers parked and came back to spot for (and in some cases set up tow ropes and in a the case of the Dodge pickup, even drive for them) anyone who need a spotter. Never fear about coming out on an AZ_VJC run alone. I think I speak for most in the group when I say that is what we are all about.
Jon
At 10:44 PM 1/15/2000 -0700, you wrote:
Jon,
One thing that has kept me from making a few of the runs with AZ_VJC was
that I cant find anyone to go with me... I'm worried about the lack of a
spotter. Should this hinder me.... are people willing to help out with
spotting in tight spots?
Was there any solo drivers on the trail 42 run today?
Thanks,
Larry
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jloveless@earthlink.net
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5100 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 9:00am
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
Damn! Why do I always end up wheelin' at the landfill while y'all have such
a good time?
"A Jeep could never do that".......I won't comment, but I'll wait 'till
George is going so that I know someone will be there that can pull me!
-Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
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----- Original Message -----
From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
To: azvjc <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 7:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FR 42 run report
This trip sounds like a total blast. As for "a JEEP could never do that," I
take offense. A small JEEP might not be able to, but my Full-Size might be
up to the challenge.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
Avondale Arizona
5101 From: <ZJDreams@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 4:28am
Subject: Re: Mud Springs Trip Report
Well this was my first time out after joining azjvc and I assure you it won't
be my last! I had such a great time yesterday. I'd like to thank Doug for
an excellent job of spotting, I have a feeling without his spotting I'd be
missing a few doors and windows on my passenger side, not to mention who
knows what else.
I'd also like to point out that I crunched my tail pipe "on purpose" so I'd
have a reason to cut some of it off...I think it now has a throatier sound to
it =)
Jeff
5102 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 1:25pm
Subject: Re: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
I'll be back on the trails soon. I'd like to replace the rubber trans mount with a poly one. Does anyone know of a source for them for a TJ? I'd like to order one tomorrow, so any help would be appreciated. I'm going to replace the rubber motor mounts with the poly ones at the same time. Seems the motor mounts are much easier to locate.
Thanks,
Scott Kruize
"OSM TJ"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR42....A full day of Arizona fun
First of all, boy did we have a fun day. The kids were worn slick, they played in the dunes and with other kids on the trail all day.. (I was worn down to the metal). What a great bunch of people. Well. Scott K. got out easy after leading us into the lions den and then faking his transmision disconnecting. (Don't know how he did it.:-). The trail was not bad except for one small issue, a Dodge Midsize about 5 vehicles from the back slammed down on his front end and lost his front wheel drive. It became a nice looking sled at that point. Don't remember their names but they were nice guys and I want to thank all of the people who worked hard all day to get them out of there. Woody who was driving a Chevy step side setup very well managed to pull that Dodge and just about everyone else at least once through 90% of FR42. Everyone helped and it showed what this sport is all about. And guess what, we were helping non-Jeep drivers as well.
I know this is a bit long but bear:-) with me. In the entire group of 17 or so Jeeps there were two that had locked diffs, Scott and my CJ7. Everyone else made it through working it the hard way. I know I learned alot and I hope others did as well, a stock Jeep will get you about anywhere, it just needs a bit of help at times. To make it even more fun lets all work on being a bit more ready every time we go out, I know I need to. Things like tow hooks, tow lines, disconnects and a few other things and it makes it go much easier( not too easy, then it would be boring). I am not critcising, just want to share some ideas. Thanks for reading this I know it was work for my 4 fingers to type. Thanks for the fun day and Deb and our 5 boys are ready to hit it again now that I got 10 hours of sleep.
Jon Loveless, thanks for the great man on the scene work with that recorder, next time please don't get such good shoots of my CJ buried to the floor, Bill Mish will never let me here the end of it.
Ross and Deb and Crew of 5
CJ7/84 and CJ7/79
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5103 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 2:17pm
Subject: Re: (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
Nothing for autos yet but Daystar makes them for the TJ 5-spd. It is part #KG01008
I believe Off-Road Unlimited sales Daystar. Verify that the part number is correct before ordering.
Good Luck,
LarryM
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
I'll be back on the trails soon. I'd like to replace the rubber trans mount with a poly one. Does anyone know of a source for them for a TJ? I'd like to order one tomorrow, so any help would be appreciated. I'm going to replace the rubber motor mounts with the poly ones at the same time. Seems the motor mounts are much easier to locate.
Thanks,
Scott Kruize
"OSM TJ"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR42....A full day of Arizona fun
First of all, boy did we have a fun day. The kids were worn slick, they played in the dunes and with other kids on the trail all day.. (I was worn down to the metal). What a great bunch of people. Well. Scott K. got out easy after leading us into the lions den and then faking his transmision disconnecting. (Don't know how he did it.:-). The trail was not bad except for one small issue, a Dodge Midsize about 5 vehicles from the back slammed down on his front end and lost his front wheel drive. It became a nice looking sled at that point. Don't remember their names but they were nice guys and I want to thank all of the people who worked hard all day to get them out of there. Woody who was driving a Chevy step side setup very well managed to pull that Dodge and just about everyone else at least once through 90% of FR42. Everyone helped and it showed what this sport is all about. And guess what, we were helping non-Jeep drivers as well.
I know this is a bit long but bear:-) with me. In the entire group of 17 or so Jeeps there were two that had locked diffs, Scott and my CJ7. Everyone else made it through working it the hard way. I know I learned alot and I hope others did as well, a stock Jeep will get you about anywhere, it just needs a bit of help at times. To make it even more fun lets all work on being a bit more ready every time we go out, I know I need to. Things like tow hooks, tow lines, disconnects and a few other things and it makes it go much easier( not too easy, then it would be boring). I am not critcising, just want to share some ideas. Thanks for reading this I know it was work for my 4 fingers to type. Thanks for the fun day and Deb and our 5 boys are ready to hit it again now that I got 10 hours of sleep.
Jon Loveless, thanks for the great man on the scene work with that recorder, next time please don't get such good shoots of my CJ buried to the floor, Bill Mish will never let me here the end of it.
Ross and Deb and Crew of 5
CJ7/84 and CJ7/79
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5104 From: Dale M. Schuler <dsoutwest@e...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 2:56pm
Subject: FR42 Run on Saturday
First let me say to all that went on the run Sat. I had a great time as did
my step-father. This was my first run with a group and you really made us
feel welcome. Second, at the end of the run I was giving a Beanie Baby to
return and that person's Jeep didn't come by me by the time I was done
airing up. If who ever is missing Nanook could e-mail me their address I
would gladly get it back to you. Let me know.
Again thanks for a great time on Saturady and I am sure I will see you all
in the future.
Dale M. Schuler
dsoutwest@e...
Green 2000 TJ (Stock but not for long)
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5105 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 2:59pm
Subject: Re: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
I looked long and hard for poly trans mounts...but had no luck. If you locate any, shoot a note out. I'd be interested in swapping out.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
I'll be back on the trails soon. I'd like to replace the rubber trans mount with a poly one. Does anyone know of a source for them for a TJ? I'd like to order one tomorrow, so any help would be appreciated. I'm going to replace the rubber motor mounts with the poly ones at the same time. Seems the motor mounts are much easier to locate.
Thanks,
Scott Kruize
"OSM TJ"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR42....A full day of Arizona fun
First of all, boy did we have a fun day. The kids were worn slick, they played in the dunes and with other kids on the trail all day.. (I was worn down to the metal). What a great bunch of people. Well. Scott K. got out easy after leading us into the lions den and then faking his transmision disconnecting. (Don't know how he did it.:-). The trail was not bad except for one small issue, a Dodge Midsize about 5 vehicles from the back slammed down on his front end and lost his front wheel drive. It became a nice looking sled at that point. Don't remember their names but they were nice guys and I want to thank all of the people who worked hard all day to get them out of there. Woody who was driving a Chevy step side setup very well managed to pull that Dodge and just about everyone else at least once through 90% of FR42. Everyone helped and it showed what this sport is all about. And guess what, we were helping non-Jeep drivers as well.
I know this is a bit long but bear:-) with me. In the entire group of 17 or so Jeeps there were two that had locked diffs, Scott and my CJ7. Everyone else made it through working it the hard way. I know I learned alot and I hope others did as well, a stock Jeep will get you about anywhere, it just needs a bit of help at times. To make it even more fun lets all work on being a bit more ready every time we go out, I know I need to. Things like tow hooks, tow lines, disconnects and a few other things and it makes it go much easier( not too easy, then it would be boring). I am not critcising, just want to share some ideas. Thanks for reading this I know it was work for my 4 fingers to type. Thanks for the fun day and Deb and our 5 boys are ready to hit it again now that I got 10 hours of sleep.
Jon Loveless, thanks for the great man on the scene work with that recorder, next time please don't get such good shoots of my CJ buried to the floor, Bill Mish will never let me here the end of it.
Ross and Deb and Crew of 5
CJ7/84 and CJ7/79
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5106 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 3:47pm
Subject: Re: Roll Cage
Hunter OffRoad Products in Tempe 480-557-7577. John is a great
fabricator.
Linda
Alan wrote:
> Hi All, Awhile back the subject of roll cages came up and there
> were a few links posted, I recently did the Format C: thing and I
> forgot to save my Bookmarks, so if any of you know or have those
> book-marked, I would appreciate your help. Thanks Alan
> Madrid(98rolledTJ)-But soon to be back on the trail :o)
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5107 From: <EricKool@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 10:45am
Subject: FR42 - LOST BEANIE BABY
Dale,
I'm the guy that gave you the Beanie Baby to return to the nice 7 year old
girl (Jackie?) that loaned it to my 5 yr old son. I remember that the driver
of the TJ was Andy. If he doesn't reply, I guess you'll have a new
"4-wheeling" mascot till you meet it's owners on a run :-)
Regards,
Eric
(JPnDutch)
In a message dated 01/16/2000 6:07:34 PM , dsoutwest@e... writes:
> First let me say to all that went on the run Sat. I had a great time as did
> my step-father. This was my first run with a group and you really made us
> feel welcome. Second, at the end of the run I was giving a Beanie Baby to
> return and that person's Jeep didn't come by me by the time I was done
> airing up. If who ever is missing Nanook could e-mail me their address I
> would gladly get it back to you. Let me know.
>
> Again thanks for a great time on Saturady and I am sure I will see you all
> in the future.
>
> Dale M. Schuler
> dsoutwest@e...
> Green 2000 TJ (Stock but not for long)
>
5108 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 3:51pm
Subject: Re: comment and question for Linda
O'Boyle, David wrote:
> Linda,
> I saw a letter you wrote to one of the 4wheel Mags. I think thoes guys are
> stuck on what they like and don't really appreciate what works for everyone,
> Quote from mag. "pizza cutters are out and we like to see rigs with 35's and
> 36's" (something like that)
> It dissapoints me that the people at that magazine think this way. I think
> your ZJ is SWEET and my Xj aspires to be similar some day.
Thanks! :-)
Secondly,
> Did you get your invite for the Walapi 4wheelers 21st Rally?Just wondering
> if you were going to attend. I did recieve mine and am ready to win agian
> (LOL)!! Just kidding. I will be there though.. Guess it's time to crown a
> new Champ!!
I'll be there --- ready to come in in last place again! It's hard hit the
checkpoints on time with all that incredible scenery to look at!
Linda
>
5109 From: <AphroDsyak@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 0:02pm
Subject: HELP!!
I am looking for an internet adress for the guys that went with us on the
woodpecker run a couple weeks ago. they were in a green YJ broke an axle.
AOL deleted my old mail and i lost his adress. Could someone please send it
to me???? I am sure it was a Uof A internet adress. thanks for your help.
ERIC
5110 From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 5:24pm
Subject: Re: HELP!!
My web address is http://www.u.arizona.edu/~mschwitz/index.html
AphroDsyak@a... wrote:
>
> I am looking for an internet adress for the guys that went with us on the
> woodpecker run a couple weeks ago. they were in a green YJ broke an axle.
> AOL deleted my old mail and i lost his adress. Could someone please send it
> to me???? I am sure it was a Uof A internet adress. thanks for your help.
>
> ERIC
>
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5111 From: Aaron <Scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2000 8:01pm
Subject: Re: FR 42 run report
Hey all,
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone this weekend for showing up. The girls pointed out that at the beginning of the run, there were 15 Jeeps and two non-Jeeps. John, thanks for leading the group after Scott had to bail. I had a complete blast and met some really wonderful people. I hope to see you all out on the trail again soon. I just gave the TJ a bath so it will be ready for a dust trail again soon :-). Have a great week everyone.
Aaron
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Loveless
To: az_vjc@makelist.com
Cc: bmoorman@worldnet.att.net ; matt@trifiro.com ; tschuster@earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:21 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR 42 run report
This was one for the record books.
Pictures at: <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=1534472>
1. We met at Scottsdale and Care Free Highway at about 9AM. There were 15
vehicles. 12 Jeeps, a Chevy Pickup (more about him later!!), A Geo/Suzuki,
and a Dodge Pickup (more about him also.)
2. We caravanned to the Pay Station at Bartlett Lake to air down and
disconnect. Quite a site to see all those Jeeps.
3. We made it to the Dunes with no real difficulty, but then the fun began:
4. Peter Wirsh got stuck in the mud. Kevin Mattig, in the brute force Chevy
Pickup performed but one of his many life saving tugs of the day.
5. Scott Kruize busted a mount on his transmission and could only get
reverse. He got stuck going backwards and the tug Jeep got stuck getting
him unstuck. After a bit of digging, rock carrying and even a bit of
swearing, Scott was broken free . He jacked up the transmission and wedged
a 2x6 in there which allowed him to manually shift into gear. After this
episode he limped home and left us on our own. (Yes, Scott was the leader).
6.Jon took over as leader at the request of Aaron, who organized the ride.
More surprises to follow.
7. We made it through the first few tough hills when the Dodge pickup
busted a transmission or transfer case and could only get 2 wheel drive.
Kevin to the rescue. He towed the Dodge pickup the entire rest of the way.
This included some arguably class 3 hills.
8. All in all, I bet there were 15 tows over all. We used 4 tow ropes on
the Dodge pickup in a few places. Three or four on a few others who had
trouble getting up the 5 hills that remained. Each one took about an hour,
as you can imagine, since we still had 14 vehicles.
9. We started at 9AM and were off the trail by about 5PM. Everyone in tact
and whole, with the above exceptions.
10. There were several new comers, Dale and Felix, who, by the way,
performed extremely well on some pretty tough hills. Great going, guys!!!
The hero of the day was the brute force Chevy Pickup of Kevin Mattig. He
never had a problem and he was tugging a full-sized Dodge pickup through
some pretty tough terrain. A Jeep could never have done that and he never
flinched. At the end of the ride he was congratulated and awarded 2 AZ_VJC
decals and honorary membership in the club. He can come on any ride he so
pleases. Many thanks, Kevin. And we don't even know who the Dodge was. He
just showed up for the run. I hope he said thanks. Thanks also go out to
Ross Skinner and a bunch of others who kept the tow ropes working and the
rigs moving. What a day!!
I think I covered it all, but please feel free to add comments about this run.
Jon
See pix at:
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Jon Loveless
480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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5112 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Sat Jan 15, 2000 10:15pm
Subject: Check engine light
The 82,500 mile check engine light is to tell you to REPLACE the oxygen sensor. The options for turning off the bulb is, the dealer ($$$), take out the bulb or put black tape over it.
Nick
Nnote@neta.com
Nnote@juno.com
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5113 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@p...>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2000 6:11am
Subject: Re: (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
Thanks for the info. I will call Daystar this afternoon.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Maggio
To: Scott Kruize ; azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
Nothing for autos yet but Daystar makes them for the TJ 5-spd. It is part #KG01008
I believe Off-Road Unlimited sales Daystar. Verify that the part number is correct before ordering.
Good Luck,
LarryM
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FR42....A full day of Arizona fun (Poly trans mount wanted for TJ)
I'll be back on the trails soon. I'd like to replace the rubber trans mount with a poly one. Does anyone know of a source for them for a TJ? I'd like to order one tomorrow, so any help would be appreciated. I'm going to replace the rubber motor mounts with the poly ones at the same time. Seems the motor mounts are much easier to locate.
Thanks,
Scott Kruize
"OSM TJ"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Skinner
To: azvjc
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 8:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FR42....A full day of Arizona fun
First of all, boy did we have a fun day. The kids were worn slick, they played in the dunes and with other kids on the trail all day.. (I was worn down to the metal). What a great bunch of people. Well. Scott K. got out easy after leading us into the lions den and then faking his transmision disconnecting. (Don't know how he did it.:-). The trail was not bad except for one small issue, a Dodge Midsize about 5 vehicles from the back slammed down on his front end and lost his front wheel drive. It became a nice looking sled at that point. Don't remember their names but they were nice guys and I want to thank all of the people who worked hard all day to get them out of there. Woody who was driving a Chevy step side setup very well managed to pull that Dodge and just about everyone else at least once through 90% of FR42. Everyone helped and it showed what this sport is all about. And guess what, we were helping non-Jeep drivers as well.
I know this is a bit long but bear:-) with me. In the entire group of 17 or so Jeeps there were two that had locked diffs, Scott and my CJ7. Everyone else made it through working it the hard way. I know I learned alot and I hope others did as well, a stock Jeep will get you about anywhere, it just needs a bit of help at times. To make it even more fun lets all work on being a bit more ready every time we go out, I know I need to. Things like tow hooks, tow lines, disconnects and a few other things and it makes it go much easier( not too easy, then it would be boring). I am not critcising, just want to share some ideas. Thanks for reading this I know it was work for my 4 fingers to type. Thanks for the fun day and Deb and our 5 boys are ready to hit it again now that I got 10 hours of sleep.
Jon Loveless, thanks for the great man on the scene work with that recorder, next time please don't get such good shoots of my CJ buried to the floor, Bill Mish will never let me here the end of it.
Ross and Deb and Crew of 5
CJ7/84 and CJ7/79
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