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5011 From: <Sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 1:18pm
Subject: Re: newbie
Welcome to the club, hope to catch you on the trail soon
once again welcome!
Sharky (97 TJ)
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5012 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 6:54pm
Subject: Re: help
if you think thats bad about AMC4x4 Salvage, check this out. i have a
78 CJ and the rear end was pretty much gone in it. it had water
contamination which caused the spider gears to chew themselves up and
just started a domino effect. anyways i bought a rear end from AMC
Salvage. they told me it was completely rebuilt. so i went ahead and
installed it. when i was done i let it down off the jackstands, started
it up, and took off. all i heard was a loud grinding noise. so i took
it to a differential place and had them look at it. they told me that
AMC Salvage had sold me the rearend with both hubs spun off the axles.
i went back to AMC Salvage and told them i wanted it fixed or replaced
or my money back. they told me they wouldnt do it. they said the hubs
were fine when it was sold to me, but i know the sound i heard when i
first drove it.
i ended up buying 1-piece axles for it(which i probably would
have done anyways) but the point is those guys sold me a rear end that
wasnt what they said it was. and they were not willing to work with me.
screw AMC 4x4 Salvage
Joey
jay eller <four_by_nu-@n...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=4992
>
> Man, that's no joke!!! Here's an example. I was looking for seat
belts (lap
> belt kind) to go into my CJ7. I called one place and they wanted
$125 for the
> set!!!! So I called AMC4x4 Salvage, they wanted $150 for the set!!
I told them
> that the other place was going to sell them to me for $125 and would
they match
> that. They said NO! I asked why and they said because they can get
$150 for
> them (and they were very rude about it). So I went to a junk yard
with Chevy
> trucks and bought a set for $30 that fit perfectly!!!!!!! I don't
know what
> they think down there. I will NEVER go there again.
> --
> -Jay-Bird (continuing to vent)
5013 From: <dirtdog@u...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 7:55pm
Subject: Re: help
Joey,
To bad We don't know their e-mail address so they would know all about the bad press they are getting form this group.
I have bought a few things from them and have been treated fairly and also gotten some good information while there.
Bernie
joey wrote:
if you think thats bad about AMC4x4 Salvage, check this out. i have a
78 CJ and the rear end was pretty much gone in it. it had water
contamination which caused the spider gears to chew themselves up and
just started a domino effect. anyways i bought a rear end from AMC
Salvage. they told me it was completely rebuilt. so i went ahead and
installed it. when i was done i let it down off the jackstands, started
it up, and took off. all i heard was a loud grinding noise. so i took
it to a differential place and had them look at it. they told me that
AMC Salvage had sold me the rearend with both hubs spun off the axles.
i went back to AMC Salvage and told them i wanted it fixed or replaced
or my money back. they told me they wouldnt do it. they said the hubs
were fine when it was sold to me, but i know the sound i heard when i
first drove it.
i ended up buying 1-piece axles for it(which i probably would
have done anyways) but the point is those guys sold me a rear end that
wasnt what they said it was. and they were not willing to work with me.
screw AMC 4x4 Salvage
Joey
jay eller wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=4992
>
> Man, that's no joke!!! Here's an example. I was looking for seat
belts (lap
> belt kind) to go into my CJ7. I called one place and they wanted
$125 for the
> set!!!! So I called AMC4x4 Salvage, they wanted $150 for the set!!
I told them
> that the other place was going to sell them to me for $125 and would
they match
> that. They said NO! I asked why and they said because they can get
$150 for
> them (and they were very rude about it). So I went to a junk yard
with Chevy
> trucks and bought a set for $30 that fit perfectly!!!!!!! I don't
know what
> they think down there. I will NEVER go there again.
> --
> -Jay-Bird (continuing to vent)
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5014 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 7:33am
Subject: Trails
I have seen so many names of trails pop up this past week that I have no idea about. Soooo.... (call me a sucker for diving into this) I would like to start a list of trails in Az that includes the name of the trail, the location of the start point and last known rating. I'm not quite sure what format to put this in but I'll fiqure it out. If everyone could start sending me the names and locations I'll start putting them together.
Nick
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5015 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 2:23am
Subject: Re: Arizona Trails Book
I got mine at Popular outdoor
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew F. Mason [mailto:afmason@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 8:04 AM
To: 'T.J. Gill'; az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Arizona Trails Book
This can be purchased at Desert Rat Offroad Center in Phoenix. 19th and
Dunlap.
Andy & Tina Mason
Black 99TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Gill [SMTP:ice626@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 2:30 PM
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Arizona Trails Book
Found this on the web.... http://4X4BOOKS.com/azv1.htm .....lists a
bunch of trails with map and gps coordinates, ratings, etc.
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5016 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 8:53pm
Subject: Re: Stock Jeeps and Trail Ratings.
This is what I originally built the website for. Barely have the time to
keep up with the occasional new Member's Rig, so the Trails section is
way out-of-date. You want it?
Jim Yucca-man@j...
Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://azvjc.web.com
89 Cherokee 73 CJ5 (RIP)
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:40:39 -0800 "Tom Quinn" <tquinn@u...>
writes:
> I know it's a lot of work, but is there any way we can document the
> directions, descriptions and ratings to some of these trails and get
> them on the website? I know some trails are hard to find and half
> the
> fun of Jeepin' is going out with fellow Jeepers who can show you new
> stuff. This might help some people plan their next trip a little
> easier.
>
> Tom
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5017 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 5:18am
Subject: Re: List, so far for FR42 on Saturday.......
If anyone doing the FR42 run this Saturday has a FSR, please bring it along. I would like to test mine out on the trail. Aaron and Scott - I may meet you at the pay lot by the lake. It is a bit shorter for me to go direct. In any case I *will* be there. I just don't want you to wait in Carefree if I'm not there when you are ready to leave.
Jon
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480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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5018 From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 6:38am
Subject: full float Q
In the warn full floater kit for the D44, how is gear oil prevented from
running down the tubes and getting into the spindle area? MIKE
5019 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 6:54am
Subject: Re: full float Q
"Warn also includes spring-loaded
lipseals in the wheel hubs and
spindles. O-ring seals are used on
the hub lock interface. "
De Slug wrote:
>
> In the warn full floater kit for the D44, how is gear oil prevented from
> running down the tubes and getting into the spindle area? MIKE
5020 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 6:58am
Subject: [Fwd: FWD--Please Distribute Far and Wide....Thanks!]
FYI
Linda
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:01:33 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: FWD--Please Distribute Far and Wide....Thanks!
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
--FYI--
--------------------------------------
Viki Eggers wrote:
>
> News for Immediate Release
>
> December 13, 1999
>
> Contact: Clark Collins, Executive Director, BlueRibbon Coalition
>
> PHONE: 208 233 6570
>
> Restrict off road vehicles on public lands?
> MSNBC Poll: Enough already!
>
> Americans are NOT in favor of tighter restrictions for off-road vehicles on
> National Forests and in National Parks, according to a recent MSNBC Poll.
> As of Monday morning, MSNBC has tallied over 6,000 responses to an online
> poll asking what the public thinks of off road recreation. Only 11% of
> MSNBC users stood in favor of tighter restrictions or a ban on snowmobiles
> on public lands while a whopping 88% said restrictions are tough enough
> already.
>
> "We're not surprised at the numbers." Said Clark Collins, Executive Director
> of the BlueRibbon Coalition, a nation-wide pro use group that champions off
> road vehicle issues. "Folks have simply gotten tired of being misled by
> these environmental extremists who try to alarm the world with trumped up
> data and bogus 'scientific' reports. They hoped to generate a flood of anti
> snowmobile sentiments, but they have failed because people have learned that
> these radical groups peddle a whole bunch of misinformation."
>
> A recent flurry of media attention has focused on traditional winter use of
> Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks, where snowmobiles have been part
> of the winter experience for over 30 years. In 1997 the Fund For Animals
> and several other groups filed suit against the National Park Service
> claiming that snowmobile use in Yellowstone was degrading the resource. As
> part of the settlement of that lawsuit, an environmental impact statement
> was undertaken. Public review and comment on the document as provided by the
> National Environmental Protection Act was to have ended on December 1st, but
> at the eleventh hour, the green groups pleaded for and were granted a
> fifteen-day extension.
>
> "When I hand-delivered the first batch of over 5000 comment letters to the
> Park Service's Denver regional office on November 22nd, the comments in
> favor of continued snowmobile use were way out ahead of those seeking a ban.
> I can only assume that this extension was manufactured in hopes of
> generating more 'ban snowmobile' comments." Said Jack Welch, President of
> the BlueRibbon Coalition. "If we wondered why they wanted an extension, the
> fact that they are circulating their bogus air quality report again tells
> the story. Not the whole story. Not the true story, but their story. It's
> gotten lots of media attention, but people seem to be catching on to these
> tactics."
>
> The controversial report, released by Park officials in October, cites air
> quality concerns and draws conclusions not necessarily in keeping with the
> findings of the scientific community. Mike Finley, Superintendent of
> Yellowstone Park has since apologized publicly for the premature release of
> the incomplete and inaccurate report, saying, "We regret those errors, and
> we apologize for them."
>
> "That's just too little, too late." Said Welch of Finley's retraction. "His
> apology didn't make CNN Headline News. People seem to be able to read
> between the lines, though, and we're glad that we've had these extra days to
> generate more comments. It just goes to prove that people are sick of being
> manipulated this way."
>
> The BlueRibbon Coalition is a non-profit advocacy group that represents
> individuals, businesses and organizations across the country. The BlueRibbon
> Coalition champions responsible multiple-use recreation of public and
> private lands and remains committed to defending and preserving Americans'
> rights to recreate on their public lands.
> ###
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5021 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 7:12am
Subject: Please Distribute Far and Wide....Thanks!
Hi Linda,
I read this on the other list this morning....
Excuse my ignorance here, but what are we
supposed to do? Call BRC? So we can get the address
for writing to the forest service? Maybe I need to finish
this coffee and reread the article.
Leah
5022 From: UF RULZ <scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 7:10am
Subject: Re: List, so far for FR42 on Saturday.......
That's cool with me. I saw some FSR's on sale at
JCPenny if you can believe it. $30 and you get a
pretty well set up one. I believe I saw them upstairs
in the mens department of the PV mall. I'll be
bringing my cb since that is all I have right now.
Channel 4 if anyone is wondering. It looks like there
is going to be a good showing for the romp. If I get
this wrong, please correct me. So far, I have:
Scott K (leading)
Aaron (me)
John Loveless
Andy Mason
Pete
Tom
Eric Kool
Rick (maybe)
Where is Joe West? I thought he'd like to try the
rock trail again and see if he can get that one
waterfall right this time :). Well, if there are any
that I forgot, please let me know. See you all
Saturday morning.
--- Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...> wrote:
> If anyone doing the FR42 run this Saturday has a
> FSR, please bring it
> along. I would like to test mine out on the trail.
> Aaron and Scott - I may
> meet you at the pay lot by the lake. It is a bit
> shorter for me to go
> direct. In any case I *will* be there. I just don't
> want you to wait in
> Carefree if I'm not there when you are ready to
> leave.
>
> Jon
> ---------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> 480-816-6240
> jloveless@e...
> ----------------------------
>
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5023 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 7:17am
Subject: TR - Mud Springs
Several from the group have replied as maybes. Please shoot a note if your going so I can keep an eye out.
Da Plan:
WHEN - This Sat at 8:30a
WHERE - Trail Head, off SR87 - 8.5 mile north of 4 Peaks Rd. - on the right side (east) right after crossing the Sycamore Creek Bridge (signed). Take the trail a short way, across the wash. There's an assembly area that you can't miss.
RATING - 4
CB - 4
Again, let me know if your coming.
Doug
5024 From: <vanhazel@W...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 8:04am
Subject: Another Newbie
Hey all, my name is Rick Van Hazel I'm 27 and I'm a Jeep-aholic. I've had
my 97
TJ since 12-31-96 and poured a few bucks into mods.. (and no, theres no mud
flaps
with chrome ladies) I just signed up yesterday to your fine group and hope
to make
your outing on Saturday, thats if I can find a Spare tire and get a new
mount built
tomorrow:)
So I'm like 90% sure i'll be there!
5025 From: UF RULZ <scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 10:16am
Subject: Re: Another Newbie
Welcome to the club Rick, see you Saturday.
--- vanhazel@W... wrote:
>
> Hey all, my name is Rick Van Hazel I'm 27 and I'm a
> Jeep-aholic. I've had
> my 97
> TJ since 12-31-96 and poured a few bucks into mods..
> (and no, theres no mud
> flaps
> with chrome ladies) I just signed up yesterday to
> your fine group and hope
> to make
> your outing on Saturday, thats if I can find a Spare
> tire and get a new
> mount built
> tomorrow:)
>
> So I'm like 90% sure i'll be there!
>
>
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5026 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 11:27am
Subject: Re: full float Q
The big disadvantage of the Warn full float kit for the D44 is the weakness
of the hubs. The only way around this is to switch to the 5 on 5.5 lug
pattern so you can use the stronger hubs. Many on the web have repeatedly
blown the hubs on the 5 on 4.5 kits. Ask Joe West... :)
Scott Kruize
OSM TJ
----- Original Message -----
From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 7:38 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] full float Q
> In the warn full floater kit for the D44, how is gear oil prevented from
> running down the tubes and getting into the spindle area? MIKE
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
5027 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 0:05pm
Subject: [Fwd: FWD: Monuments & Multi-use]
FYI.
Linda
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:02:16 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: FWD: Monuments & Multi-use
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
Rumors that hunting, access, and grazing being prohibited in Arizona's two new National Monuments are--for the time being--not true. See the post below:
--------------------------------------
Date: 1/13/0 11:39 AM
As a follow up to the memo you received regarding impacts to hunters on
the two National Monument designations announced by President Clinton on
the Agua Fria and Grand Canyon Parashant, we have received further
information from the Bureau of Land Management which states:
"Grazing, hunting, and other similar uses are generally not be affected
except where (1) the BLM or NPS, through processes required by existing
law, identifies places where such uses ought to be restricted or
prohibited as necessary to protect the federal lands and resources,
including the objects protected by the monument designation; or (2)
where the BLM or NPS finds a clear threat from such a use to the federal
lands and resources."
The document further states:
"Use of existing rights-of-way will generally be subject to the same
standards as described in the preceding paragraph."
Therefore, it is our understanding at this point that both HUNTING and
VEHICULAR ACCESS to lands within the Monument boundaries remain as they
are now , or until further notice to the contrary is received.
If the public desires more information beyond this, they should be
referred to:
Bureau of Land Management
External Affairs
(602) 417-9504
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5028 From: Joe West <Joe.West@f...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 0:18pm
Subject: Re: full float Q
Yea... ask me!
<grin>
As soon as I get my 4:56 gears and ARBs next Christmas (wife are you
listening <smile>), I'll be replacing my current rear hubs (aluminum and
PLASTIC! crap) with the heavy duty Warn 5 on 5.5" hubs.
So... I'm guessing that the mods will go something like:
Change gears front and rear and new ARBs.
New tires (35") and rims (5 on 5.5", 4" BS).
New heavy duty hubs on rear.
Add hubs on front.
Gosh it sounds like this is going to be an expensive Christmas for my wife
<laugh>
Joe
Joe F. West
98TJ Completely Stock, Not an aftermarket part on it.
http://members.home.com/joewest2/
(Okay... so I lied) <grin>
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@p...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:27 PM
To: De Slug; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: full float Q
The big disadvantage of the Warn full float kit for the D44 is the weakness
of the hubs. The only way around this is to switch to the 5 on 5.5 lug
pattern so you can use the stronger hubs. Many on the web have repeatedly
blown the hubs on the 5 on 4.5 kits. Ask Joe West... :)
Scott Kruize
OSM TJ
----- Original Message -----
From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 7:38 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] full float Q
> In the warn full floater kit for the D44, how is gear oil prevented from
> running down the tubes and getting into the spindle area? MIKE
>
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5029 From: <Sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 8:27am
Subject: Re: List, so far for FR42 on Saturday.......
Hi all Im going to make it afer all, see you Saturday.
Sharky (97 TJ)
5030 From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 2:24pm
Subject: Check engine light.
I hear the check engine like comes on at a certain amount of mileage to
remind the owner to get it serviced. Not sure if that's right. But how can
you turn it off without taking it to the dealer or removing the bulb????????
5031 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 2:43pm
Subject: Re: Check engine light.
82,500 miles. At that point the factory service manual states that the entire
emissions system should be checked. I took my ZJ to the dealer and paid the
$70 to have the light turned off --- they just reset the computer, but you
still get to pay for an hour's worth of work at the shop rate. After I forked
over the money, the mechanic at the dealership suggested (1) putting a peice
of electric tape over the light or (2) removing the bulb.
I think the owner's manual (at least for the ZJ) states that not checking the
emissions system can get you in trouble with the law. Yeah right! The worse
that couold happen is that you won't pass emissions on the first trip.
Linda
Dockmond Tse wrote:
>
> I hear the check engine like comes on at a certain amount of mileage to
> remind the owner to get it serviced. Not sure if that's right. But how can
> you turn it off without taking it to the dealer or removing the bulb????????
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5032 From: Felix <fes@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 4:37pm
Subject: Agua Fria NM
Agua Fria National Monument info from BLM
http://azwww.az.blm.gov/pmesa1.htm
5033 From: <CoyotEddie@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 11:36am
Subject: Re: full float Q
Its not, its suposed to get there to keep everything well lubed.
5034 From: Felix <fes@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 4:42pm
Subject: FR 42
I'll be joining up on this Saturday's trip and my son will try also.
Felix
5035 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Agua Fria NM
I've been to Perry Mesa (Agua Fria Natl Monument) numerous times and even
though you can see I17 just a mile or two away, not many people ever leave
the hwy to explore this area. Most of the times I have been there I never
saw another vehicle and if I did it was only one. The area is essentially
unknown and unvisited by Arizonans. Now the government is going to pave
roads into it, set up a ranger station Im sure and develop facilities!
Ironic if you ask me.
Not only can I no longer travel on unpaved roads but they have also managed
to take away the solitude that could be found there. Phooey!
Lar
5011 From: <Sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 1:18pm
Subject: Re: newbie
Welcome to the club, hope to catch you on the trail soon
once again welcome!
Sharky (97 TJ)
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5012 From: joey <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 6:54pm
Subject: Re: help
if you think thats bad about AMC4x4 Salvage, check this out. i have a
78 CJ and the rear end was pretty much gone in it. it had water
contamination which caused the spider gears to chew themselves up and
just started a domino effect. anyways i bought a rear end from AMC
Salvage. they told me it was completely rebuilt. so i went ahead and
installed it. when i was done i let it down off the jackstands, started
it up, and took off. all i heard was a loud grinding noise. so i took
it to a differential place and had them look at it. they told me that
AMC Salvage had sold me the rearend with both hubs spun off the axles.
i went back to AMC Salvage and told them i wanted it fixed or replaced
or my money back. they told me they wouldnt do it. they said the hubs
were fine when it was sold to me, but i know the sound i heard when i
first drove it.
i ended up buying 1-piece axles for it(which i probably would
have done anyways) but the point is those guys sold me a rear end that
wasnt what they said it was. and they were not willing to work with me.
screw AMC 4x4 Salvage
Joey
jay eller <four_by_nu-@n...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=4992
>
> Man, that's no joke!!! Here's an example. I was looking for seat
belts (lap
> belt kind) to go into my CJ7. I called one place and they wanted
$125 for the
> set!!!! So I called AMC4x4 Salvage, they wanted $150 for the set!!
I told them
> that the other place was going to sell them to me for $125 and would
they match
> that. They said NO! I asked why and they said because they can get
$150 for
> them (and they were very rude about it). So I went to a junk yard
with Chevy
> trucks and bought a set for $30 that fit perfectly!!!!!!! I don't
know what
> they think down there. I will NEVER go there again.
> --
> -Jay-Bird (continuing to vent)
5013 From: <dirtdog@u...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 7:55pm
Subject: Re: help
Joey,
To bad We don't know their e-mail address so they would know all about the bad press they are getting form this group.
I have bought a few things from them and have been treated fairly and also gotten some good information while there.
Bernie
joey wrote:
if you think thats bad about AMC4x4 Salvage, check this out. i have a
78 CJ and the rear end was pretty much gone in it. it had water
contamination which caused the spider gears to chew themselves up and
just started a domino effect. anyways i bought a rear end from AMC
Salvage. they told me it was completely rebuilt. so i went ahead and
installed it. when i was done i let it down off the jackstands, started
it up, and took off. all i heard was a loud grinding noise. so i took
it to a differential place and had them look at it. they told me that
AMC Salvage had sold me the rearend with both hubs spun off the axles.
i went back to AMC Salvage and told them i wanted it fixed or replaced
or my money back. they told me they wouldnt do it. they said the hubs
were fine when it was sold to me, but i know the sound i heard when i
first drove it.
i ended up buying 1-piece axles for it(which i probably would
have done anyways) but the point is those guys sold me a rear end that
wasnt what they said it was. and they were not willing to work with me.
screw AMC 4x4 Salvage
Joey
jay eller wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=4992
>
> Man, that's no joke!!! Here's an example. I was looking for seat
belts (lap
> belt kind) to go into my CJ7. I called one place and they wanted
$125 for the
> set!!!! So I called AMC4x4 Salvage, they wanted $150 for the set!!
I told them
> that the other place was going to sell them to me for $125 and would
they match
> that. They said NO! I asked why and they said because they can get
$150 for
> them (and they were very rude about it). So I went to a junk yard
with Chevy
> trucks and bought a set for $30 that fit perfectly!!!!!!! I don't
know what
> they think down there. I will NEVER go there again.
> --
> -Jay-Bird (continuing to vent)
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5014 From: Nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 7:33am
Subject: Trails
I have seen so many names of trails pop up this past week that I have no idea about. Soooo.... (call me a sucker for diving into this) I would like to start a list of trails in Az that includes the name of the trail, the location of the start point and last known rating. I'm not quite sure what format to put this in but I'll fiqure it out. If everyone could start sending me the names and locations I'll start putting them together.
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5015 From: O'Boyle, David <David.OBoyle@b...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 2:23am
Subject: Re: Arizona Trails Book
I got mine at Popular outdoor
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew F. Mason [mailto:afmason@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 8:04 AM
To: 'T.J. Gill'; az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Arizona Trails Book
This can be purchased at Desert Rat Offroad Center in Phoenix. 19th and
Dunlap.
Andy & Tina Mason
Black 99TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Gill [SMTP:ice626@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 2:30 PM
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Arizona Trails Book
Found this on the web.... http://4X4BOOKS.com/azv1.htm .....lists a
bunch of trails with map and gps coordinates, ratings, etc.
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5016 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Wed Jan 12, 2000 8:53pm
Subject: Re: Stock Jeeps and Trail Ratings.
This is what I originally built the website for. Barely have the time to
keep up with the occasional new Member's Rig, so the Trails section is
way out-of-date. You want it?
Jim Yucca-man@j...
Dirty 1/2 dozen - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://azvjc.web.com
89 Cherokee 73 CJ5 (RIP)
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:40:39 -0800 "Tom Quinn" <tquinn@u...>
writes:
> I know it's a lot of work, but is there any way we can document the
> directions, descriptions and ratings to some of these trails and get
> them on the website? I know some trails are hard to find and half
> the
> fun of Jeepin' is going out with fellow Jeepers who can show you new
> stuff. This might help some people plan their next trip a little
> easier.
>
> Tom
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5017 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 5:18am
Subject: Re: List, so far for FR42 on Saturday.......
If anyone doing the FR42 run this Saturday has a FSR, please bring it along. I would like to test mine out on the trail. Aaron and Scott - I may meet you at the pay lot by the lake. It is a bit shorter for me to go direct. In any case I *will* be there. I just don't want you to wait in Carefree if I'm not there when you are ready to leave.
Jon
---------------------------
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480-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
----------------------------
5018 From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 6:38am
Subject: full float Q
In the warn full floater kit for the D44, how is gear oil prevented from
running down the tubes and getting into the spindle area? MIKE
5019 From: Dave Reinken <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 6:54am
Subject: Re: full float Q
"Warn also includes spring-loaded
lipseals in the wheel hubs and
spindles. O-ring seals are used on
the hub lock interface. "
De Slug wrote:
>
> In the warn full floater kit for the D44, how is gear oil prevented from
> running down the tubes and getting into the spindle area? MIKE
5020 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 6:58am
Subject: [Fwd: FWD--Please Distribute Far and Wide....Thanks!]
FYI
Linda
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:01:33 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: FWD--Please Distribute Far and Wide....Thanks!
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
--FYI--
--------------------------------------
Viki Eggers wrote:
>
> News for Immediate Release
>
> December 13, 1999
>
> Contact: Clark Collins, Executive Director, BlueRibbon Coalition
>
> PHONE: 208 233 6570
>
> Restrict off road vehicles on public lands?
> MSNBC Poll: Enough already!
>
> Americans are NOT in favor of tighter restrictions for off-road vehicles on
> National Forests and in National Parks, according to a recent MSNBC Poll.
> As of Monday morning, MSNBC has tallied over 6,000 responses to an online
> poll asking what the public thinks of off road recreation. Only 11% of
> MSNBC users stood in favor of tighter restrictions or a ban on snowmobiles
> on public lands while a whopping 88% said restrictions are tough enough
> already.
>
> "We're not surprised at the numbers." Said Clark Collins, Executive Director
> of the BlueRibbon Coalition, a nation-wide pro use group that champions off
> road vehicle issues. "Folks have simply gotten tired of being misled by
> these environmental extremists who try to alarm the world with trumped up
> data and bogus 'scientific' reports. They hoped to generate a flood of anti
> snowmobile sentiments, but they have failed because people have learned that
> these radical groups peddle a whole bunch of misinformation."
>
> A recent flurry of media attention has focused on traditional winter use of
> Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks, where snowmobiles have been part
> of the winter experience for over 30 years. In 1997 the Fund For Animals
> and several other groups filed suit against the National Park Service
> claiming that snowmobile use in Yellowstone was degrading the resource. As
> part of the settlement of that lawsuit, an environmental impact statement
> was undertaken. Public review and comment on the document as provided by the
> National Environmental Protection Act was to have ended on December 1st, but
> at the eleventh hour, the green groups pleaded for and were granted a
> fifteen-day extension.
>
> "When I hand-delivered the first batch of over 5000 comment letters to the
> Park Service's Denver regional office on November 22nd, the comments in
> favor of continued snowmobile use were way out ahead of those seeking a ban.
> I can only assume that this extension was manufactured in hopes of
> generating more 'ban snowmobile' comments." Said Jack Welch, President of
> the BlueRibbon Coalition. "If we wondered why they wanted an extension, the
> fact that they are circulating their bogus air quality report again tells
> the story. Not the whole story. Not the true story, but their story. It's
> gotten lots of media attention, but people seem to be catching on to these
> tactics."
>
> The controversial report, released by Park officials in October, cites air
> quality concerns and draws conclusions not necessarily in keeping with the
> findings of the scientific community. Mike Finley, Superintendent of
> Yellowstone Park has since apologized publicly for the premature release of
> the incomplete and inaccurate report, saying, "We regret those errors, and
> we apologize for them."
>
> "That's just too little, too late." Said Welch of Finley's retraction. "His
> apology didn't make CNN Headline News. People seem to be able to read
> between the lines, though, and we're glad that we've had these extra days to
> generate more comments. It just goes to prove that people are sick of being
> manipulated this way."
>
> The BlueRibbon Coalition is a non-profit advocacy group that represents
> individuals, businesses and organizations across the country. The BlueRibbon
> Coalition champions responsible multiple-use recreation of public and
> private lands and remains committed to defending and preserving Americans'
> rights to recreate on their public lands.
> ###
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5021 From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@m...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 7:12am
Subject: Please Distribute Far and Wide....Thanks!
Hi Linda,
I read this on the other list this morning....
Excuse my ignorance here, but what are we
supposed to do? Call BRC? So we can get the address
for writing to the forest service? Maybe I need to finish
this coffee and reread the article.
Leah
5022 From: UF RULZ <scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 7:10am
Subject: Re: List, so far for FR42 on Saturday.......
That's cool with me. I saw some FSR's on sale at
JCPenny if you can believe it. $30 and you get a
pretty well set up one. I believe I saw them upstairs
in the mens department of the PV mall. I'll be
bringing my cb since that is all I have right now.
Channel 4 if anyone is wondering. It looks like there
is going to be a good showing for the romp. If I get
this wrong, please correct me. So far, I have:
Scott K (leading)
Aaron (me)
John Loveless
Andy Mason
Pete
Tom
Eric Kool
Rick (maybe)
Where is Joe West? I thought he'd like to try the
rock trail again and see if he can get that one
waterfall right this time :). Well, if there are any
that I forgot, please let me know. See you all
Saturday morning.
--- Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...> wrote:
> If anyone doing the FR42 run this Saturday has a
> FSR, please bring it
> along. I would like to test mine out on the trail.
> Aaron and Scott - I may
> meet you at the pay lot by the lake. It is a bit
> shorter for me to go
> direct. In any case I *will* be there. I just don't
> want you to wait in
> Carefree if I'm not there when you are ready to
> leave.
>
> Jon
> ---------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> 480-816-6240
> jloveless@e...
> ----------------------------
>
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5023 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 7:17am
Subject: TR - Mud Springs
Several from the group have replied as maybes. Please shoot a note if your going so I can keep an eye out.
Da Plan:
WHEN - This Sat at 8:30a
WHERE - Trail Head, off SR87 - 8.5 mile north of 4 Peaks Rd. - on the right side (east) right after crossing the Sycamore Creek Bridge (signed). Take the trail a short way, across the wash. There's an assembly area that you can't miss.
RATING - 4
CB - 4
Again, let me know if your coming.
Doug
5024 From: <vanhazel@W...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 8:04am
Subject: Another Newbie
Hey all, my name is Rick Van Hazel I'm 27 and I'm a Jeep-aholic. I've had
my 97
TJ since 12-31-96 and poured a few bucks into mods.. (and no, theres no mud
flaps
with chrome ladies) I just signed up yesterday to your fine group and hope
to make
your outing on Saturday, thats if I can find a Spare tire and get a new
mount built
tomorrow:)
So I'm like 90% sure i'll be there!
5025 From: UF RULZ <scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 10:16am
Subject: Re: Another Newbie
Welcome to the club Rick, see you Saturday.
--- vanhazel@W... wrote:
>
> Hey all, my name is Rick Van Hazel I'm 27 and I'm a
> Jeep-aholic. I've had
> my 97
> TJ since 12-31-96 and poured a few bucks into mods..
> (and no, theres no mud
> flaps
> with chrome ladies) I just signed up yesterday to
> your fine group and hope
> to make
> your outing on Saturday, thats if I can find a Spare
> tire and get a new
> mount built
> tomorrow:)
>
> So I'm like 90% sure i'll be there!
>
>
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5026 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 11:27am
Subject: Re: full float Q
The big disadvantage of the Warn full float kit for the D44 is the weakness
of the hubs. The only way around this is to switch to the 5 on 5.5 lug
pattern so you can use the stronger hubs. Many on the web have repeatedly
blown the hubs on the 5 on 4.5 kits. Ask Joe West... :)
Scott Kruize
OSM TJ
----- Original Message -----
From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 7:38 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] full float Q
> In the warn full floater kit for the D44, how is gear oil prevented from
> running down the tubes and getting into the spindle area? MIKE
>
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>
>
5027 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 0:05pm
Subject: [Fwd: FWD: Monuments & Multi-use]
FYI.
Linda
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:02:16 MST
From: Terry Heslin theslin@p...
Subject: FWD: Monuments & Multi-use
To: Blind *Copy theslin@p...
Apparently-To: "Linda_Luik-P14175@email" p14175@msgphx8
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
Rumors that hunting, access, and grazing being prohibited in Arizona's two new National Monuments are--for the time being--not true. See the post below:
--------------------------------------
Date: 1/13/0 11:39 AM
As a follow up to the memo you received regarding impacts to hunters on
the two National Monument designations announced by President Clinton on
the Agua Fria and Grand Canyon Parashant, we have received further
information from the Bureau of Land Management which states:
"Grazing, hunting, and other similar uses are generally not be affected
except where (1) the BLM or NPS, through processes required by existing
law, identifies places where such uses ought to be restricted or
prohibited as necessary to protect the federal lands and resources,
including the objects protected by the monument designation; or (2)
where the BLM or NPS finds a clear threat from such a use to the federal
lands and resources."
The document further states:
"Use of existing rights-of-way will generally be subject to the same
standards as described in the preceding paragraph."
Therefore, it is our understanding at this point that both HUNTING and
VEHICULAR ACCESS to lands within the Monument boundaries remain as they
are now , or until further notice to the contrary is received.
If the public desires more information beyond this, they should be
referred to:
Bureau of Land Management
External Affairs
(602) 417-9504
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5028 From: Joe West <Joe.West@f...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 0:18pm
Subject: Re: full float Q
Yea... ask me!
<grin>
As soon as I get my 4:56 gears and ARBs next Christmas (wife are you
listening <smile>), I'll be replacing my current rear hubs (aluminum and
PLASTIC! crap) with the heavy duty Warn 5 on 5.5" hubs.
So... I'm guessing that the mods will go something like:
Change gears front and rear and new ARBs.
New tires (35") and rims (5 on 5.5", 4" BS).
New heavy duty hubs on rear.
Add hubs on front.
Gosh it sounds like this is going to be an expensive Christmas for my wife
<laugh>
Joe
Joe F. West
98TJ Completely Stock, Not an aftermarket part on it.
http://members.home.com/joewest2/
(Okay... so I lied) <grin>
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@p...]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 12:27 PM
To: De Slug; az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: full float Q
The big disadvantage of the Warn full float kit for the D44 is the weakness
of the hubs. The only way around this is to switch to the 5 on 5.5 lug
pattern so you can use the stronger hubs. Many on the web have repeatedly
blown the hubs on the 5 on 4.5 kits. Ask Joe West... :)
Scott Kruize
OSM TJ
----- Original Message -----
From: De Slug <mschwitz@U...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 7:38 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] full float Q
> In the warn full floater kit for the D44, how is gear oil prevented from
> running down the tubes and getting into the spindle area? MIKE
>
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5029 From: <Sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 8:27am
Subject: Re: List, so far for FR42 on Saturday.......
Hi all Im going to make it afer all, see you Saturday.
Sharky (97 TJ)
5030 From: Dockmond Tse <chiena@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 2:24pm
Subject: Check engine light.
I hear the check engine like comes on at a certain amount of mileage to
remind the owner to get it serviced. Not sure if that's right. But how can
you turn it off without taking it to the dealer or removing the bulb????????
5031 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 2:43pm
Subject: Re: Check engine light.
82,500 miles. At that point the factory service manual states that the entire
emissions system should be checked. I took my ZJ to the dealer and paid the
$70 to have the light turned off --- they just reset the computer, but you
still get to pay for an hour's worth of work at the shop rate. After I forked
over the money, the mechanic at the dealership suggested (1) putting a peice
of electric tape over the light or (2) removing the bulb.
I think the owner's manual (at least for the ZJ) states that not checking the
emissions system can get you in trouble with the law. Yeah right! The worse
that couold happen is that you won't pass emissions on the first trip.
Linda
Dockmond Tse wrote:
>
> I hear the check engine like comes on at a certain amount of mileage to
> remind the owner to get it serviced. Not sure if that's right. But how can
> you turn it off without taking it to the dealer or removing the bulb????????
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5032 From: Felix <fes@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 4:37pm
Subject: Agua Fria NM
Agua Fria National Monument info from BLM
http://azwww.az.blm.gov/pmesa1.htm
5033 From: <CoyotEddie@a...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 11:36am
Subject: Re: full float Q
Its not, its suposed to get there to keep everything well lubed.
5034 From: Felix <fes@u...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 4:42pm
Subject: FR 42
I'll be joining up on this Saturday's trip and my son will try also.
Felix
5035 From: Larry Maggio <lmaggio@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 13, 2000 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Agua Fria NM
I've been to Perry Mesa (Agua Fria Natl Monument) numerous times and even
though you can see I17 just a mile or two away, not many people ever leave
the hwy to explore this area. Most of the times I have been there I never
saw another vehicle and if I did it was only one. The area is essentially
unknown and unvisited by Arizonans. Now the government is going to pave
roads into it, set up a ranger station Im sure and develop facilities!
Ironic if you ask me.
Not only can I no longer travel on unpaved roads but they have also managed
to take away the solitude that could be found there. Phooey!
Lar