blooddrive
01-09-2004, 05:36 AM
95724-95748
95724 From: <ldstruckn@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:49am
Subject: directions to the trails
why are the directions to the trails no longer posted? I know they
used to be there but now I cant go riding because i have no clue
where any of the freaking trails are. This will definatly increase
the amount of illegal wheeling because people will think they are on
the right trail but really aren't
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95725 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:19am
Subject: RE: directions to the trails
I never remember the directions ever being posted. In fact, attempting
to provide directions to most of the trails is almost impossible. For
instance, to get to Upper Woodpecker in the Florence Junction area, you
travel approximately 30 minutes on old mining trails just to get to the
UW trail head. Providing someone with every turn and fork that is
required to get there would be quite a challenge to say the least.
Likewise, the written directions needed to find Judgment Day or Upper
Terminator (both in the Table Mesa area) would be equally difficult. If
I were to tell you how to get to the beginning of Tin Can Alley, it
would be of little help since the trail is buried amidst a plethora of
trails in that area. I still rely on a GPS every time I run it, even
though I've been going there for more than 4 years. :)
As for "illegal" wheeling, the easiest method by which to avoid that is
to simply stay on the trail, obey any posted signs or notices, and
practice TreadLightly. If you do those, the chances of you wheeling
illegally are virtually eliminated.
Of course, as is always said, your mileage may very.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: ldstruckn@h... [mailto:ldstruckn@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:49 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] directions to the trails
why are the directions to the trails no longer posted? I know they
used to be there but now I cant go riding because i have no clue
where any of the freaking trails are. This will definatly increase
the amount of illegal wheeling because people will think they are on
the right trail but really aren't
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95726 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:20am
Subject: RE: directions to the trails
Any "Existing Road or Trail" is open to OHV use unless "Posted
Closed"....................... Cross Country across open or virgin land
is illegal......... not trail riding.
Respect and common sense can rule most of what we do.........
BLM, ASLD and FS are all working diligently to develop a
"recreation/transportation plan" for their respective lands but it takes
time. There are several recreation areas "access" maps available for
several riding areas in the state and several more are being worked on
now. Florence Junction and Table Mesa route inventory maps are now
complete and they are both working on the "designation" of the trails
actually recorded on the ground. You can find excellent maps from the
Public Lands Information Center (PLIC) located at 222 N. Central.
(Inside the BLM lobby in the southeast corner of the building at the
southwest corner of Central and Van Buren) If you park in the ACE
parking structure off Van Buren between Central and 1st AVENUE they will
validate your parking. This office is funded by all the land agencies
and can print you a map of any area of the state. Maps show land
status, routes, designated riding areas, single track vs two track
trails, etc.
Some maps are free or simple fees to cover their costs.............
large topo type maps with all land status, routes etc run around $8.00.
-----Original Message-----
From: ldstruckn@h... [mailto:ldstruckn@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:49 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] directions to the trails
why are the directions to the trails no longer posted? I know they
used to be there but now I cant go riding because i have no clue
where any of the freaking trails are. This will definatly increase
the amount of illegal wheeling because people will think they are on
the right trail but really aren't
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95727 From: Tony <axtell@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:24pm
Subject: RE: Re: Frank (badazxj) in a accident
Ditto,
Prayers and thoughts go out to Frank and Cheech.
Tony & Annie Axtell
78CJ5/86XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: robert.rogers@h... [mailto:robert.rogers@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:33 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Frank (badazxj) in a accident
Bummer, I just noticed the posting. Really sorry to hear but glad
both are OK.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, mikdiamon@c... wrote:
> First off it looks like Frank and Cheech are ok
>
> I got a call from Frank this morning at 7:50, he was taking Cheech
to
> school and some guy ran the stop sign at Sarival and Olive, frank
> swerved to miss him, but clipped the front of the car and the jeep
> rolled several times. when i got there the emt's where putting neck
> braces on and soon had them in the ambulance and en route to
> hospital. I talked to frank a little and he seems ok, but a little
> sore, same with cheech they just took them to the hospital to make
> sure everything is ok... i'm pretty sure the jeep is totaled, the
> rear axle is bent and both roof supports in the rear are trashed. i
> took some pics ill try to put em up later. heres the kicker, the
exo
> was worked on i guess sunday so it came up over the top and I truly
> believe it saved there lives. thanks jason and whoever else worked
on
> it great job!!!!!!
> If you don't know frank he is the type of guy that will do anything
> for anybody. he has been involved with fundraisors and helping
others
> for as long as I have know him (he was one of the organizers of the
> sharky run/fund) I am sure he would appreciate any prayers/ good
> thougts or anything else we can do.
> i'll post more when i know more.
>
> frog
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95728 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:32am
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an engine diagnostic tool?
I understand that there are people who work for Chrysler who hang out on
this list.
I have a question.
Why can I STILL not purchase a Chrysler DRB III so that I can do my own
diagnostics on my 1994 Jeep Wrangler?
Sincerely,
Anthony Nemmer
nilar708 wrote:
>94 zj 4.0...Today I was waiting for a red light on val vista. When
>the light turned green the jeep died. It wouldn't start, so I had to
>push the heavy piece of crap off of val vista. I checked it over and
>it was getting fuel and getting spark but still didn't not want to
>start. I have no idea what is wrong with it. So if anyone has any
>idea what it could be or have an engine diagnostic tool I can borrow
>would be great.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nick L.
>480.242.9168
>
>
>
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95729 From: <makaioo@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:31am
Subject: Re: directions to the trails
Being new to AZ and this group, I don't know if formerly posted
traihead locations/directions were removed or not, but I have seen
that the club website no longer posts directions to some of the
tougher trails and I completely understand and agree with the reasons
for not doing so.
If directions for all trails were removed, I imagine Mike has a good
reason for doing so, or maybe it's just a problem with the site that
needs looking into.
As Stu mentioned, I use my GPS to mark waypoints for trails I've been
to and I load them into a personal database so I know how to get back
to them when necessary. Granted, my AZ trail DB doesn't contain many
trails yet (if anyone has a list of waypoints they can send me, let
me know).
Short of doing the same, I'd suggest you either sign up for posted
runs, or post a run to a trail you want to run and ask someone who
knows directions to lead the trip. Then be sure and record directions
or take waypoints (if you have a GPS) so you'll know how to get back
in the future.
One issue I have with posted runs is folks tend to say "meet at the
air down spot" or "meet at the gravel parking area". That's nice if
you've been there before, but doesn't help much if you haven't. Maybe
folks can be more specific with meeting locations/directions on a per
run basis.
Matt
K7MTO
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, ldstruckn@h... wrote:
> why are the directions to the trails no longer posted? I know they
> used to be there but now I cant go riding because i have no clue
> where any of the freaking trails are. This will definatly increase
> the amount of illegal wheeling because people will think they are
on
> the right trail but really aren't
95730 From: <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:15am
Subject: Frank and Cheech Update II
Cheech was released this morning and is doing well. Frank saw his
doc this morning and the vertabrae crack is not in a dangerous place
so he is able to move around a bit and wont require surgery. They
are fitting him for a neck brace and he hopes to be released later
today.
Frog
95731 From: <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:24am
Subject: Easter Jeep Safari - Group rate on rooms
Troy from TBT is working on getting a discount for a block of rooms
for the moab jeep safari. We are trying to get a line on how many
rooms we need so let me know if you are interested in going. More
info to follow.
Frog
95732 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:37am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - FR-42 - Tuesday, December 16, 2003
Hello All,
Tom Schenk lead a trail run Tuesday, December 16, 2003 across FR-42
Great day of wheeling! Weather was just right. Just 2 jeeps. My little TJ and Scott's stocker. Ran into Andrew and Brian(think I got the names right, Sorry if not) in a red YJ on 36" swampers(Nice rig). Had fun on all that hilly stuff at the end of 532. I brought my friend from OK with me. He's bringing his Jeep for sure out here now. Not sure what happened to Scott E... Hello? Scott? I hope everything is okay. We waited until 1:45. Sorry we missed you brother. Call me I'll go again. Also I think Scott has some "slightly" used tj bumper caps for sale - LOL!!
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1123
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
95733 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 0:08pm
Subject: [Tech] 1991 xj - question on swaping a transfer case
i am curious 1st off wich is stronger a np231 or a np242 transfer case for a xj. and are they just a bolt in swao from one xj to the next
thanks mike bradley
Mike Bradley
95734 From: <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 0:15pm
Subject: Re: Frank and Cheech Update II
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad to hear they are doing well, please
still let us know if there is anything we can do to help.
Chris
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--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, mikdiamon@c... wrote:
> Cheech was released this morning and is doing well. Frank saw his
> doc this morning and the vertabrae crack is not in a dangerous
place
> so he is able to move around a bit and wont require surgery. They
> are fitting him for a neck brace and he hopes to be released later
> today.
>
> Frog
95735 From: <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 0:16pm
Subject: Re: Frank and Cheech Update II
Frank,
Our thoughts and prayers are with you. Glad you guys are okay. Could
have been alot worse. Let me know if you need anything. Rides around
or what not...
Jason
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, mikdiamon@c... wrote:
> Cheech was released this morning and is doing well. Frank saw his
> doc this morning and the vertabrae crack is not in a dangerous
place
> so he is able to move around a bit and wont require surgery. They
> are fitting him for a neck brace and he hopes to be released later
> today.
>
> Frog
95736 From: <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 0:33pm
Subject: (FS) 5 15x8 Black Rock Crawler Rims $100
Went to a 15x10
Jason
602-999-4516
95737 From: <makaioo@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 0:57pm
Subject: Re: Frank and Cheech Update II
Glad to hear both are doing well, all things considered. My thoughts
and prayers are with you both for a speedy recovery.
Matt
K7MTo
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, mikdiamon@c... wrote:
> Cheech was released this morning and is doing well. Frank saw his
> doc this morning and the vertabrae crack is not in a dangerous
place
95738 From: <rokkcrawler@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:35am
Subject: Re: [Tech] 1991 xj - question on swaping a transfer case
NP231, which has 2WD plus PT 4WD hi and PT 4WD lo.
NP 242. has all that the 231 offers, plus FT 4WD.
I have had XJs with both Xfer cases and I can tell you I prefer the 242
especially in bad weather when you can run in FT 4WD without getting that binding
that you get when you run the 231 on pavement.
I spoke with a person from New Process Gear two years ago at a convention
about the two xfer cases and he told me that the 242 was the stronger case of the
two. I have also heard that a version of the 242 is on H-1 Hummers.
I believe that you can put an SYE on the 242 also.
Hope this helps
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95739 From: <rokkcrawler@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:46am
Subject: Question on FSJ with 727 tranny
Does anyone out there have a FSJ with the 727 tranny ? I am looking to put
a 727 tranny in my CJ with my Dana 300........some guy wants to sell me an
adapter for the 727 for the tranny and says it replaces the tail shaft on the
727......does your 4WD FSJ have an tail shaft on it and if it does can you
measure it and tell me how long it is. I didnt think 4WD trannys had a tail shaft,
I know that 2WD ones do.
Thanks for your help
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95740 From: <Hydrosense@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:01am
Subject: Fwd: Sat 20th run cancelled !!
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95741 From: jeepmom <jeepmom@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:10am
Subject: jeep girls
Here's for the lady Jeepers out there. Cute little decal *chuckle*
Annie Axtell 86 XJ
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50447&item=2449007254#ebayphotohosting
95742 From: <hiett710@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:30pm
Subject: Re: directions to the trails
If I recall right weren't the harder trail directions removed to help
aviod rock stacking/paving of the harder trails? As for the easier
trails I thought that was up to the members to post directions as
they used the trails. I suggest buying a book at 4-wheelers, Off road
unlimited or Desert rat (in that order).
Mike H.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, ldstruckn@h... wrote:
> why are the directions to the trails no longer posted? I know they
> used to be there but now I cant go riding because i have no clue
> where any of the freaking trails are. This will definatly increase
> the amount of illegal wheeling because people will think they are
on
> the right trail but really aren't
95743 From: <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:44pm
Subject: Re: (FS) 5 15x8 Black Rock Crawler Rims $100
Wow that was fast.
Sold!
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jaylalib1@c... wrote:
> Went to a 15x10
>
> Jason
> 602-999-4516
95744 From: <cheesit@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:28pm
Subject: info on steering upgrade for TJ
I'm interested in some input on a stronger than stock steering setup
for the Jeep Tj. I'm running 33" and will very likely be going to
35" within another year or so. The current tierod was recently bent
on my last trail run so now seems like a good time for an upgrade.
I was curious if some of the steering setups where the factory y
link is removed caused any dead zones or if there were any
shortcomings of altering the factory setup.
thanks in advance for any help on this.
Chris
95745 From: <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:11pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] 1991 xj - question on swaping a transfer case
According to <http://www.newventuregear.com/tcases.html> the 231 is
stonger. Within the same year types they swap directly you just need
to watch that both cases have the same input shaft (21 or 23 spline).
The older XJ's with vacum disconnect axles add some comlication as
the vacum switch is in the 231 case so you will need to either lock
the axle engaged, wire up a manual switching or replace the axle shaft
with a 1 piece unit. The last option is best as you can do a 297X
upgrade at the time.
Also the 242 does hang about 1" lower than the 231 but both easily fit
above the skid plates that most people use.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> i am curious 1st off wich is stronger a np231 or a np242 transfer
case for a xj. and are they just a bolt in swao from one xj to the next
>
> thanks mike bradley
>
> Mike Bradley
95746 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:53pm
Subject: RE: info on steering upgrade for TJ
First question is how much do you want to spend?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: cheesit@c... [mailto:cheesit@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:29 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] info on steering upgrade for TJ
I'm interested in some input on a stronger than stock steering setup
for the Jeep Tj. I'm running 33" and will very likely be going to
35" within another year or so. The current tierod was recently bent
on my last trail run so now seems like a good time for an upgrade.
I was curious if some of the steering setups where the factory y
link is removed caused any dead zones or if there were any
shortcomings of altering the factory setup.
thanks in advance for any help on this.
Chris
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95747 From: chris boettge <cheesit@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:22pm
Subject: RE: info on steering upgrade for TJ
I was thinking of less than approx $450.00, but I don't even know what
that would rule in or out. I know of the WJ Upgrade, the currie setup
and I've seen a picture from I believe your website of the Toys by Troy,
The Wj seems the cheapest but I'm worried the draglink wouldn't last
long term.
I'm just hoping that I can find a cure-all so I don't have to upgrade
from the upgrade from the original... if that makes any sense :)
How are you getting along with the Toys by troy? Does it steer like
factory?
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:53 PM
To: cheesit@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] info on steering upgrade for TJ
First question is how much do you want to spend?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: cheesit@c... [mailto:cheesit@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:29 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] info on steering upgrade for TJ
I'm interested in some input on a stronger than stock steering setup
for the Jeep Tj. I'm running 33" and will very likely be going to
35" within another year or so. The current tierod was recently bent
on my last trail run so now seems like a good time for an upgrade.
I was curious if some of the steering setups where the factory y
link is removed caused any dead zones or if there were any
shortcomings of altering the factory setup.
thanks in advance for any help on this.
Chris
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95748 From: <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:32pm
Subject: Re: info on steering upgrade for TJ
Damn, I wish I could do another one of mine, Neil Han**** helped me
do it the first time and I don't have the equipment to do it. If you
want to look: http://members.cox.net/rockntj/Steering/steering.htm
You might be able to do it yourself. If you need some help/advice I
could help. It would definately be lower than your budget.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, cheesit@c... wrote:
> I'm interested in some input on a stronger than stock steering
setup
> for the Jeep Tj. I'm running 33" and will very likely be going to
> 35" within another year or so. The current tierod was recently
bent
> on my last trail run so now seems like a good time for an upgrade.
>
> I was curious if some of the steering setups where the factory y
> link is removed caused any dead zones or if there were any
> shortcomings of altering the factory setup.
>
>
> thanks in advance for any help on this.
>
> Chris
95724 From: <ldstruckn@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:49am
Subject: directions to the trails
why are the directions to the trails no longer posted? I know they
used to be there but now I cant go riding because i have no clue
where any of the freaking trails are. This will definatly increase
the amount of illegal wheeling because people will think they are on
the right trail but really aren't
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95725 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:19am
Subject: RE: directions to the trails
I never remember the directions ever being posted. In fact, attempting
to provide directions to most of the trails is almost impossible. For
instance, to get to Upper Woodpecker in the Florence Junction area, you
travel approximately 30 minutes on old mining trails just to get to the
UW trail head. Providing someone with every turn and fork that is
required to get there would be quite a challenge to say the least.
Likewise, the written directions needed to find Judgment Day or Upper
Terminator (both in the Table Mesa area) would be equally difficult. If
I were to tell you how to get to the beginning of Tin Can Alley, it
would be of little help since the trail is buried amidst a plethora of
trails in that area. I still rely on a GPS every time I run it, even
though I've been going there for more than 4 years. :)
As for "illegal" wheeling, the easiest method by which to avoid that is
to simply stay on the trail, obey any posted signs or notices, and
practice TreadLightly. If you do those, the chances of you wheeling
illegally are virtually eliminated.
Of course, as is always said, your mileage may very.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: ldstruckn@h... [mailto:ldstruckn@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:49 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] directions to the trails
why are the directions to the trails no longer posted? I know they
used to be there but now I cant go riding because i have no clue
where any of the freaking trails are. This will definatly increase
the amount of illegal wheeling because people will think they are on
the right trail but really aren't
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95726 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:20am
Subject: RE: directions to the trails
Any "Existing Road or Trail" is open to OHV use unless "Posted
Closed"....................... Cross Country across open or virgin land
is illegal......... not trail riding.
Respect and common sense can rule most of what we do.........
BLM, ASLD and FS are all working diligently to develop a
"recreation/transportation plan" for their respective lands but it takes
time. There are several recreation areas "access" maps available for
several riding areas in the state and several more are being worked on
now. Florence Junction and Table Mesa route inventory maps are now
complete and they are both working on the "designation" of the trails
actually recorded on the ground. You can find excellent maps from the
Public Lands Information Center (PLIC) located at 222 N. Central.
(Inside the BLM lobby in the southeast corner of the building at the
southwest corner of Central and Van Buren) If you park in the ACE
parking structure off Van Buren between Central and 1st AVENUE they will
validate your parking. This office is funded by all the land agencies
and can print you a map of any area of the state. Maps show land
status, routes, designated riding areas, single track vs two track
trails, etc.
Some maps are free or simple fees to cover their costs.............
large topo type maps with all land status, routes etc run around $8.00.
-----Original Message-----
From: ldstruckn@h... [mailto:ldstruckn@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:49 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] directions to the trails
why are the directions to the trails no longer posted? I know they
used to be there but now I cant go riding because i have no clue
where any of the freaking trails are. This will definatly increase
the amount of illegal wheeling because people will think they are on
the right trail but really aren't
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95727 From: Tony <axtell@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:24pm
Subject: RE: Re: Frank (badazxj) in a accident
Ditto,
Prayers and thoughts go out to Frank and Cheech.
Tony & Annie Axtell
78CJ5/86XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: robert.rogers@h... [mailto:robert.rogers@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:33 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Frank (badazxj) in a accident
Bummer, I just noticed the posting. Really sorry to hear but glad
both are OK.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, mikdiamon@c... wrote:
> First off it looks like Frank and Cheech are ok
>
> I got a call from Frank this morning at 7:50, he was taking Cheech
to
> school and some guy ran the stop sign at Sarival and Olive, frank
> swerved to miss him, but clipped the front of the car and the jeep
> rolled several times. when i got there the emt's where putting neck
> braces on and soon had them in the ambulance and en route to
> hospital. I talked to frank a little and he seems ok, but a little
> sore, same with cheech they just took them to the hospital to make
> sure everything is ok... i'm pretty sure the jeep is totaled, the
> rear axle is bent and both roof supports in the rear are trashed. i
> took some pics ill try to put em up later. heres the kicker, the
exo
> was worked on i guess sunday so it came up over the top and I truly
> believe it saved there lives. thanks jason and whoever else worked
on
> it great job!!!!!!
> If you don't know frank he is the type of guy that will do anything
> for anybody. he has been involved with fundraisors and helping
others
> for as long as I have know him (he was one of the organizers of the
> sharky run/fund) I am sure he would appreciate any prayers/ good
> thougts or anything else we can do.
> i'll post more when i know more.
>
> frog
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95728 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:32am
Subject: Re: Does anyone have an engine diagnostic tool?
I understand that there are people who work for Chrysler who hang out on
this list.
I have a question.
Why can I STILL not purchase a Chrysler DRB III so that I can do my own
diagnostics on my 1994 Jeep Wrangler?
Sincerely,
Anthony Nemmer
nilar708 wrote:
>94 zj 4.0...Today I was waiting for a red light on val vista. When
>the light turned green the jeep died. It wouldn't start, so I had to
>push the heavy piece of crap off of val vista. I checked it over and
>it was getting fuel and getting spark but still didn't not want to
>start. I have no idea what is wrong with it. So if anyone has any
>idea what it could be or have an engine diagnostic tool I can borrow
>would be great.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nick L.
>480.242.9168
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
95729 From: <makaioo@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:31am
Subject: Re: directions to the trails
Being new to AZ and this group, I don't know if formerly posted
traihead locations/directions were removed or not, but I have seen
that the club website no longer posts directions to some of the
tougher trails and I completely understand and agree with the reasons
for not doing so.
If directions for all trails were removed, I imagine Mike has a good
reason for doing so, or maybe it's just a problem with the site that
needs looking into.
As Stu mentioned, I use my GPS to mark waypoints for trails I've been
to and I load them into a personal database so I know how to get back
to them when necessary. Granted, my AZ trail DB doesn't contain many
trails yet (if anyone has a list of waypoints they can send me, let
me know).
Short of doing the same, I'd suggest you either sign up for posted
runs, or post a run to a trail you want to run and ask someone who
knows directions to lead the trip. Then be sure and record directions
or take waypoints (if you have a GPS) so you'll know how to get back
in the future.
One issue I have with posted runs is folks tend to say "meet at the
air down spot" or "meet at the gravel parking area". That's nice if
you've been there before, but doesn't help much if you haven't. Maybe
folks can be more specific with meeting locations/directions on a per
run basis.
Matt
K7MTO
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, ldstruckn@h... wrote:
> why are the directions to the trails no longer posted? I know they
> used to be there but now I cant go riding because i have no clue
> where any of the freaking trails are. This will definatly increase
> the amount of illegal wheeling because people will think they are
on
> the right trail but really aren't
95730 From: <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:15am
Subject: Frank and Cheech Update II
Cheech was released this morning and is doing well. Frank saw his
doc this morning and the vertabrae crack is not in a dangerous place
so he is able to move around a bit and wont require surgery. They
are fitting him for a neck brace and he hopes to be released later
today.
Frog
95731 From: <mikdiamon@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:24am
Subject: Easter Jeep Safari - Group rate on rooms
Troy from TBT is working on getting a discount for a block of rooms
for the moab jeep safari. We are trying to get a line on how many
rooms we need so let me know if you are interested in going. More
info to follow.
Frog
95732 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:37am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - FR-42 - Tuesday, December 16, 2003
Hello All,
Tom Schenk lead a trail run Tuesday, December 16, 2003 across FR-42
Great day of wheeling! Weather was just right. Just 2 jeeps. My little TJ and Scott's stocker. Ran into Andrew and Brian(think I got the names right, Sorry if not) in a red YJ on 36" swampers(Nice rig). Had fun on all that hilly stuff at the end of 532. I brought my friend from OK with me. He's bringing his Jeep for sure out here now. Not sure what happened to Scott E... Hello? Scott? I hope everything is okay. We waited until 1:45. Sorry we missed you brother. Call me I'll go again. Also I think Scott has some "slightly" used tj bumper caps for sale - LOL!!
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1123
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
95733 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 0:08pm
Subject: [Tech] 1991 xj - question on swaping a transfer case
i am curious 1st off wich is stronger a np231 or a np242 transfer case for a xj. and are they just a bolt in swao from one xj to the next
thanks mike bradley
Mike Bradley
95734 From: <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 0:15pm
Subject: Re: Frank and Cheech Update II
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad to hear they are doing well, please
still let us know if there is anything we can do to help.
Chris
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--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, mikdiamon@c... wrote:
> Cheech was released this morning and is doing well. Frank saw his
> doc this morning and the vertabrae crack is not in a dangerous
place
> so he is able to move around a bit and wont require surgery. They
> are fitting him for a neck brace and he hopes to be released later
> today.
>
> Frog
95735 From: <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 0:16pm
Subject: Re: Frank and Cheech Update II
Frank,
Our thoughts and prayers are with you. Glad you guys are okay. Could
have been alot worse. Let me know if you need anything. Rides around
or what not...
Jason
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, mikdiamon@c... wrote:
> Cheech was released this morning and is doing well. Frank saw his
> doc this morning and the vertabrae crack is not in a dangerous
place
> so he is able to move around a bit and wont require surgery. They
> are fitting him for a neck brace and he hopes to be released later
> today.
>
> Frog
95736 From: <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 0:33pm
Subject: (FS) 5 15x8 Black Rock Crawler Rims $100
Went to a 15x10
Jason
602-999-4516
95737 From: <makaioo@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 0:57pm
Subject: Re: Frank and Cheech Update II
Glad to hear both are doing well, all things considered. My thoughts
and prayers are with you both for a speedy recovery.
Matt
K7MTo
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, mikdiamon@c... wrote:
> Cheech was released this morning and is doing well. Frank saw his
> doc this morning and the vertabrae crack is not in a dangerous
place
95738 From: <rokkcrawler@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:35am
Subject: Re: [Tech] 1991 xj - question on swaping a transfer case
NP231, which has 2WD plus PT 4WD hi and PT 4WD lo.
NP 242. has all that the 231 offers, plus FT 4WD.
I have had XJs with both Xfer cases and I can tell you I prefer the 242
especially in bad weather when you can run in FT 4WD without getting that binding
that you get when you run the 231 on pavement.
I spoke with a person from New Process Gear two years ago at a convention
about the two xfer cases and he told me that the 242 was the stronger case of the
two. I have also heard that a version of the 242 is on H-1 Hummers.
I believe that you can put an SYE on the 242 also.
Hope this helps
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95739 From: <rokkcrawler@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:46am
Subject: Question on FSJ with 727 tranny
Does anyone out there have a FSJ with the 727 tranny ? I am looking to put
a 727 tranny in my CJ with my Dana 300........some guy wants to sell me an
adapter for the 727 for the tranny and says it replaces the tail shaft on the
727......does your 4WD FSJ have an tail shaft on it and if it does can you
measure it and tell me how long it is. I didnt think 4WD trannys had a tail shaft,
I know that 2WD ones do.
Thanks for your help
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95740 From: <Hydrosense@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:01am
Subject: Fwd: Sat 20th run cancelled !!
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95741 From: jeepmom <jeepmom@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:10am
Subject: jeep girls
Here's for the lady Jeepers out there. Cute little decal *chuckle*
Annie Axtell 86 XJ
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50447&item=2449007254#ebayphotohosting
95742 From: <hiett710@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:30pm
Subject: Re: directions to the trails
If I recall right weren't the harder trail directions removed to help
aviod rock stacking/paving of the harder trails? As for the easier
trails I thought that was up to the members to post directions as
they used the trails. I suggest buying a book at 4-wheelers, Off road
unlimited or Desert rat (in that order).
Mike H.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, ldstruckn@h... wrote:
> why are the directions to the trails no longer posted? I know they
> used to be there but now I cant go riding because i have no clue
> where any of the freaking trails are. This will definatly increase
> the amount of illegal wheeling because people will think they are
on
> the right trail but really aren't
95743 From: <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:44pm
Subject: Re: (FS) 5 15x8 Black Rock Crawler Rims $100
Wow that was fast.
Sold!
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, jaylalib1@c... wrote:
> Went to a 15x10
>
> Jason
> 602-999-4516
95744 From: <cheesit@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:28pm
Subject: info on steering upgrade for TJ
I'm interested in some input on a stronger than stock steering setup
for the Jeep Tj. I'm running 33" and will very likely be going to
35" within another year or so. The current tierod was recently bent
on my last trail run so now seems like a good time for an upgrade.
I was curious if some of the steering setups where the factory y
link is removed caused any dead zones or if there were any
shortcomings of altering the factory setup.
thanks in advance for any help on this.
Chris
95745 From: <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:11pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] 1991 xj - question on swaping a transfer case
According to <http://www.newventuregear.com/tcases.html> the 231 is
stonger. Within the same year types they swap directly you just need
to watch that both cases have the same input shaft (21 or 23 spline).
The older XJ's with vacum disconnect axles add some comlication as
the vacum switch is in the 231 case so you will need to either lock
the axle engaged, wire up a manual switching or replace the axle shaft
with a 1 piece unit. The last option is best as you can do a 297X
upgrade at the time.
Also the 242 does hang about 1" lower than the 231 but both easily fit
above the skid plates that most people use.
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> i am curious 1st off wich is stronger a np231 or a np242 transfer
case for a xj. and are they just a bolt in swao from one xj to the next
>
> thanks mike bradley
>
> Mike Bradley
95746 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:53pm
Subject: RE: info on steering upgrade for TJ
First question is how much do you want to spend?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: cheesit@c... [mailto:cheesit@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:29 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] info on steering upgrade for TJ
I'm interested in some input on a stronger than stock steering setup
for the Jeep Tj. I'm running 33" and will very likely be going to
35" within another year or so. The current tierod was recently bent
on my last trail run so now seems like a good time for an upgrade.
I was curious if some of the steering setups where the factory y
link is removed caused any dead zones or if there were any
shortcomings of altering the factory setup.
thanks in advance for any help on this.
Chris
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95747 From: chris boettge <cheesit@c...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:22pm
Subject: RE: info on steering upgrade for TJ
I was thinking of less than approx $450.00, but I don't even know what
that would rule in or out. I know of the WJ Upgrade, the currie setup
and I've seen a picture from I believe your website of the Toys by Troy,
The Wj seems the cheapest but I'm worried the draglink wouldn't last
long term.
I'm just hoping that I can find a cure-all so I don't have to upgrade
from the upgrade from the original... if that makes any sense :)
How are you getting along with the Toys by troy? Does it steer like
factory?
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:53 PM
To: cheesit@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] info on steering upgrade for TJ
First question is how much do you want to spend?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: cheesit@c... [mailto:cheesit@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:29 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] info on steering upgrade for TJ
I'm interested in some input on a stronger than stock steering setup
for the Jeep Tj. I'm running 33" and will very likely be going to
35" within another year or so. The current tierod was recently bent
on my last trail run so now seems like a good time for an upgrade.
I was curious if some of the steering setups where the factory y
link is removed caused any dead zones or if there were any
shortcomings of altering the factory setup.
thanks in advance for any help on this.
Chris
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95748 From: <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:32pm
Subject: Re: info on steering upgrade for TJ
Damn, I wish I could do another one of mine, Neil Han**** helped me
do it the first time and I don't have the equipment to do it. If you
want to look: http://members.cox.net/rockntj/Steering/steering.htm
You might be able to do it yourself. If you need some help/advice I
could help. It would definately be lower than your budget.
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, cheesit@c... wrote:
> I'm interested in some input on a stronger than stock steering
setup
> for the Jeep Tj. I'm running 33" and will very likely be going to
> 35" within another year or so. The current tierod was recently
bent
> on my last trail run so now seems like a good time for an upgrade.
>
> I was curious if some of the steering setups where the factory y
> link is removed caused any dead zones or if there were any
> shortcomings of altering the factory setup.
>
>
> thanks in advance for any help on this.
>
> Chris