blooddrive
01-09-2004, 06:22 AM
94820-94844
94820 From: <rokkcrawler@a...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:46pm
Subject: Re: Parts Help
In a message dated 11/23/2003 7:04:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
luvrocks@c... writes:
well joey he has a cj so the 36mm wouldn't work it takes a four tip socket
that you can get at autozone!!!
I have one he can borrow if he wants.......just email me off post, we can
make arrangements.
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94821 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:17pm
Subject: Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone has any experience with carbon fiber drive
shafts? I am considering one (or two) for the Willys.
Thanks,
Linda
54 wagon
94822 From: Nick N <nnote@d...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:00pm
Subject: Re: [despammed] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
I think once you get a nic or gouge in the shaft, it would fail. Same with
carbon fiber bicycle frames. Superlight and strong, definatly good for road
riding. It can survive a crash but if it sustains any damage it becomes
very weak at that point.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda" <minihummer@w...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:17 PM
Subject: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience with carbon fiber drive
> shafts? I am considering one (or two) for the Willys.
>
> Thanks,
> Linda
> 54 wagon
>
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94823 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:59pm
Subject: RE: [despammed] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
Jack ran the carbon fiber wheels for a couple of years but dumped them when
they kept cracking. Supposedly they developed a new "formula" but they just
didn't hold up to "rocks". I don't hear of any 4-wheeler using them
today........... racers do as they are light but they don't seem to be
strong. I would imagine drivelines would be the same.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick N [mailto:nnote@d...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Linda
> Subject: Re: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
>
>
> I think once you get a nic or gouge in the shaft, it would fail.
> Same with
> carbon fiber bicycle frames. Superlight and strong, definatly
> good for road
> riding. It can survive a crash but if it sustains any damage it becomes
> very weak at that point.
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda" <minihummer@w...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:17 PM
> Subject: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has any experience with carbon fiber drive
> > shafts? I am considering one (or two) for the Willys.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Linda
> > 54 wagon
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94824 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:09pm
Subject: [TR] Martinez Cabin - Saturday, December 6, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,Jeff Titus is leading a Martinez Cabin trail run on Saturday, December 6, 2003.<br><br>When: Saturday December 6 2003
Where:
Rating: 2.5+
Length: All day
CB Channel: 8
This is the Second Annual AZVJC Toys For Tots toy collection (we hope to make this an annual event.) This year we are going to have it where we were supposed to have it last time, at the Jamboree campground. Actually, we'll be right at the gate entrance off of SR79. We won't be leading any runs or providing any food this time (sorry). All we ask is for a new unwapped gift. If anyone out there wants to lead a run,I need to know buy the 29th of NOV.I still need leaders as of 11-19-03 Thanks!!!<br>
We will also have a Toys For Tots drop off box at the BBQ for people who can not make the run.
Martinez Cabin is a wonderful trail for the "new" 4-wheeler with his stock vehicle and family.<br>
<br>
This trail will take you into Martinez Canyon which has to be one of the most beautiful canyons in the area, in league with Sedona red bluffs!! <br>
<br>
You can have lunch under the Cottonwood trees at the old homestead and you may explore the old mill.<br>
<br>
Stock vehicle, stock tires and novice drivers, this would be a wonderful trail for you!!<br>
<br>
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=809
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
94825 From: hutchmcknight <hutchmcknight@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:38pm
Subject: Re: Wanted: rear bumper to fit 1995 cherokee
---I just saw one on EBAY/Phoenix region:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2444851270&category=33640
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Richards" <rrichards13@m...> wrote:
> Just bought a 95 cherokee sport. Rear bumper has a poll
> dent......anyone replaced thiers w/ a custom bumper and still has it
> laying around. I am sure that there is numerous years that will fit.
>
> Call if you want to get rid of it
>
> Randy
> 480-986-9420
94826 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:07am
Subject: RE: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Fred,
That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender conversion. Good work!
Kind Regards,
Joe
Joe F. West
Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
------------------------------------------------------------------
Took the flare off:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
Dan's trimming some of the other side:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
Passenger side:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
Underside shot of the new fender:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
I'm putting the light trim back on:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards to
the new body panel.
Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really small
bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll fit,
I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the in the
front grill, below the headlights:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
:)
Fred
Joe West wrote:
>Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
>
>Joe F. West
>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>
>
>Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
>instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
>grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
>
>
>
>:)
>Fred
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94827 From: <NVRSTUKXJ@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 0:17am
Subject: Re: Update on my first project...
lookin' good, Philip.....except I don't see any club stickers.....
T.J. Gill
75 CJ5 w/Stuff
90 XJ w/Stuff Too
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94828 From: Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:26am
Subject: RE: Land Use Permit - Martinez Cabin
I think they were the applications for land use permits. Sandee had given us
a stack of them... Matt from Oregon took the paperwork to keep it all
together for next time... Am I right Sandee?? Thx, Bob J
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:barnes@g...]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:26 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Land Use Permit - Martinez Cabin
Martinez Cabin will require a land use permit. Tom indicated that
there was a stack of them at the highway opening. I am in need of
one. Let me know if there are any extra that I could obtain.
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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94829 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:40am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, December 13, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,Kent Harman is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, December 13, 2003.<br><br>When: 8:00AM
Where: Meet at the Gila Bend Love's gas station
Rating: None
Length: 2 days
CB Channel: 4
El Camino del Diablo<br>
<br>
December 13-14<br>
<br>
Meet at Gila Bend Love's gas station at 8:00AM on Saturday December 13. From here, we will travel to Ajo, top off our gas tanks, and head on down the trail. The first day we will travel 70 miles to Tule Well. There no facilities at Tule Well, aside from a few picnic tables and raised BBQ grilles. On day two, we'll continue west to the Tinajas Altas and then north to I-8 west of Wellton, for 45 more miles.<br>
<br>
In order to travel on the Camino, you need to obtain a permit for the Barry Goldwater Range / Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge for every person in your party. Getting the permit is easy. You just have to sign the Hold Harmless agreement stating that you won't sue the US government if you decide to pick up that unexploded missile. A call to the refuge office in Ajo (520) 387-5226 can explain where to send the agreement, and what their turnaround time is via mail.<br>
<br>
Any four-wheel drive vehicle can complete this trail. Due to its remoteness though, you'll need to come prepared for any unexpected surprises.<br>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1063
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
94830 From: Lester P. <AZJeep1@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:48am
Subject: Re: Jeep vids
Those links worked. Looks like great fun and a well done video to
boot! Maybe I should go that route and save some money with the
mods.
Lester
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Matt OBrien" <makaioo@y...> wrote:
> Try these...
>
> http://www.orp.com.au/RC%20Madness/RC%20MonsterTruck%
20Madness_01.wmv
> http://www.orp.com.au/RC%20Madness/RC%20MonsterTruck%
20Madness_02.wmv
> http://www.orp.com.au/RC%20Madness/RC%20MonsterTruck%
20Madness_02.wmv
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "k7ant" <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "k7ant" <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > > For those with high speed connections.....
> > >
> > > from Jeeps unlimited website......
94831 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:20am
Subject: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Yeah, at least they aren't "funky" like Joe's.
:-P
Chris
On Nov 24, 2003, at 6:07 AM, Joe West wrote:
> Fred,
>
> That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender
> conversion. Good work!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> Joe F. West
> Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
> Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
> Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>
>
> Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Took the flare off:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
>
>
> Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
>
>
> Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
>
>
> Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
>
>
> Dan's trimming some of the other side:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
>
>
> Passenger side:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
>
>
> Underside shot of the new fender:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
>
>
> I'm putting the light trim back on:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
>
>
> Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
>
> Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
> I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards to
> the new body panel.
> Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really small
> bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
> front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll fit,
> I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the in
> the
> front grill, below the headlights:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
>
>
> :)
> Fred
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe West wrote:
>
>> Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
>>
>> Joe F. West
>> Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>> Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>> Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>>
>>
>> Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
>> instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
>> grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
>>
>> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
>>
>> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
>>
>>
>>
>> :)
>> Fred
>>
>>
>>
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94832 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:35am
Subject: RE: Land Use Permit - Martinez Cabin
I think I've already answered this but here's info for files again.........
and yes Bob, there were only information brochures available at the highway
opening. Not even applications. Hopefully I can convince them to allow the
shops and myself to sell them again................. This whole thing is
beyond stupid but until we can get this procedure changed I guess we have to
play the game. Sandee
To purchase permits by phone:
CALL:
602.364.2753 (Phoenix)
928.774.1425 (Flagstaff)
520.628.5480 (Tucson)
They will put the application in the mail to you......... you sign, attach
money and return. They then sign, take money and return. !.......... about
2 weeks turn around.
IN PERSON:
1616 West Adams, Phoenix AZ 85007
3650 Lake Mary Road, Flagstaff 86001
233 North Main Avenue, Tucson, 85701
or
PUBLIC LANDS INFORMATION CENTER (PLIC)
222 N. Central, Phoenix
(southwest corner of Central & Van Buren)
If you park in the ACE parking structure off Van Buren between Central and
1st AVENUE the PLIC will validate your parking. The PLIC is inside the main
lobby of the BLM located in the southeast corner of this building. They
have books, information, gifts and maps for anything or anywhere. They can
print maps on site.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:27 AM
> To: 'Bill'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Land Use Permit - Martinez Cabin
>
>
> I think they were the applications for land use permits. Sandee
> had given us
> a stack of them... Matt from Oregon took the paperwork to keep it all
> together for next time... Am I right Sandee?? Thx, Bob J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill [mailto:barnes@g...]
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:26 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Land Use Permit - Martinez Cabin
>
> Martinez Cabin will require a land use permit. Tom indicated that
> there was a stack of them at the highway opening. I am in need of
> one. Let me know if there are any extra that I could obtain.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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94833 From: kristi <jeepgirl@l...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:47am
Subject: RE: [despammed] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
What Nick said is true; it is called a "stress-riser". Anyway,
composites/laminates are generally used in strength for compression and
shear stress - they do not work very well under heavy torsion stress
(i.e., Drive shafts are under torsion loads).
Kristi/Jason
Please visit: www.luminousarizona.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick N [mailto:nnote@d...]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Linda
Subject: Re: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
I think once you get a nic or gouge in the shaft, it would fail. Same
with
carbon fiber bicycle frames. Superlight and strong, definatly good for
road
riding. It can survive a crash but if it sustains any damage it becomes
very weak at that point.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda" <minihummer@w...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:17 PM
Subject: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience with carbon fiber drive
> shafts? I am considering one (or two) for the Willys.
>
> Thanks,
> Linda
> 54 wagon
>
>
>
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94834 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:10am
Subject: Pic's from Power Line Run 11/22/03
Great run, but very cold I think we had 11 Jeeps and
1 Bronco
Power Line Pg. 1 http://community.webshots.com/album/101298332RvOwfi
Power Line Pg.2 http://community.webshots.com/album/101324314oZJtTN
Kelly
94835 From: Dave Peterson <gonzodave@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:23am
Subject: RE: Update on my first project...
... and the *worst* thing about doing it yourself is that you'll never
trust it to anyone else again, and now you'll *have* to do it all.
Although, come to think of it, maybe that's not such a bad thing... :-)
Dave
--- DesertJeep <joey@d...> wrote:
> Right on! I get great satisfaction working on my own Jeep. The best
> thing about doing it yourself is that you know how to fix it should
> something break on the trail.
>
> Joey K
> http://www.desertjeep.com
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip [mailto:kathphil@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:22 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Update on my first project...
>
>
> Hi all...
>
> I just wanted to give everyone an update on how I my first jeep
> project is coming along...I know it is not much for some of the nice
> rigs out there, but I can say I am doing it myself and having a blast
> at it....except my check book isnt what it used to be...but I finally
> finished putting on the lift, and got the timing chain and rear main
> seal done...
>
> I have been working on getting this done for about 3 weekends now.
> It is an 83 CJ7 and I didnt want to go to high on the first time
> around, so I put a 2-1/2" heavy duty Rubicon lift on her. I also
> just finished doing the timing chain and rear main seal...The oil
> plug was stripped, so I replaced the oil pan too. The oil leaks are
> minimul now, but I just got my ne aluminum valve cover in the mail
> (found a good deal on it at tellico4x4.com (only $59.95), so that
> will be my next project...
>
> Hope to see you all on the trails in the "near" future.
>
> Check out the pictures in my Gallery if interested.
>
> Thanks,
> Philip Schaffer
>
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94836 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:22am
Subject: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Joe, as much as I would like to take credit for "fabbing 'em", I can't ;)
Those are the PSC fenders.
:)
Fred
Joe West wrote:
>Fred,
>
>That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender conversion. Good work!
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Joe
>
>Joe F. West
>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>
>
>Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>Took the flare off:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
>
>
>Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
>
>
>Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
>
>
>Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
>
>
>Dan's trimming some of the other side:
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
>
>
>Passenger side:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
>
>
>Underside shot of the new fender:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
>
>
>I'm putting the light trim back on:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
>
>
>Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
>
>Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
>I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards to
>the new body panel.
>Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really small
>bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
>front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll fit,
>I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the in the
>front grill, below the headlights:
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
>
>
> :)
>Fred
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Joe West wrote:
>
>
>
>>Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
>>
>>Joe F. West
>>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>>
>>
>>Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
>>instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
>>grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
>>
>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
>>
>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
>>
>>
>>
>>:)
>>Fred
>>
>>
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94837 From: Bryan <Bryan.Loveless@n...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:52am
Subject: need help with '94 ZJ CV joint boot cracked
Hello all,
Long time no write.
My wife ran over a plastic bag (like the ones that cover large
couches) and it wrapped around her driver side front axle. She
called me to cut it off so when I arrived I removed the bag and then
check out the axle. Her abs line was pushed into the spring (but it
was find once I moved it back) but the bag ripped one side of her CV
joint.
Has anyone replaced this boot before? Does anyone know of a
conversion kit that I might be able to convert them to u-joints?
Would I wan to do this? It has been making noises once in a while
during sharp turns, so the whole joint may need replacing, has
anyone done that?
I read the Chilton, and it looked pretty simple, but looks can be
deceiving. I would like to replace this before it snows up here and
we end up getting water and cinders in there to really mess things
up. (I am in Flagstaff).
Any help or advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
--Bryan
Bryan.Loveless@n...
'94 5.2 ZJ
'02 Dodge Veon (http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~bgl/Neon_bumper.htm)
94838 From: Mookie <touringmookie@k...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:30am
Subject: Anyone watching this news?
Heya,
Anyone watching this news? Any investors in Dana?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/997409.asp
94839 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:03am
Subject: Re: [despammed] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
Thanks for the info. I found a site that makes custom CF drive shafts
and they mention building them for trucks. But with 4-wheeling you do
run a good chance of barber-poling it and it would definitely get
scratched or cut under those conditions. I am not that familiar wih
composites and laminates.
Linda
54 wagon
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "kristi" <jeepgirl@l...> wrote:
> What Nick said is true; it is called a "stress-riser". Anyway,
> composites/laminates are generally used in strength for compression
and
> shear stress - they do not work very well under heavy torsion stress
> (i.e., Drive shafts are under torsion loads).
>
> Kristi/Jason
>
> Please visit: www.luminousarizona.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick N [mailto:nnote@d...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Linda
> Subject: Re: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
>
> I think once you get a nic or gouge in the shaft, it would fail.
Same
> with
> carbon fiber bicycle frames. Superlight and strong, definatly good
for
> road
> riding. It can survive a crash but if it sustains any damage it
becomes
> very weak at that point.
> Nick
>
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> From: "Linda" <minihummer@w...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:17 PM
> Subject: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has any experience with carbon fiber
drive
> > shafts? I am considering one (or two) for the Willys.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Linda
> > 54 wagon
> >
> >
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94840 From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:12am
Subject: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
So, Fred...What was the total cost on them? And, how long did the
bulk of the job take?
I've been thinking about doing the same type of flat fender job on
BRUZR...I was thinking of some kind of low profile lights for turn
signal/markers and wlding up some type of really small cage to hold
them...Don't know what's out there, though. The side markers on a YJ
is about the size I was thinking...
Dan (BRUZR's Daddy)
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Joe, as much as I would like to take credit for "fabbing 'em", I
can't ;)
> Those are the PSC fenders.
>
>
> :)
> Fred
>
>
>
> Joe West wrote:
>
> >Fred,
> >
> >That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender
conversion. Good work!
> >
> >Kind Regards,
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >Joe F. West
> >Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
> >Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
> >Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> >Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
> >
> >
> >Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Took the flare off:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
> >
> >
> >Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
> >
> >
> >Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
> >
> >
> >Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
> >
> >
> >Dan's trimming some of the other side:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
> >
> >
> >Passenger side:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
> >
> >
> >Underside shot of the new fender:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
> >
> >
> >I'm putting the light trim back on:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
> >
> >
> >Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
> >
> >Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
> >I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards
to
> >the new body panel.
> >Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really
small
> >bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
> >front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll
fit,
> >I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the
in the
> >front grill, below the headlights:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
> >
> >
> > :)
> >Fred
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Joe West wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
> >>
> >>Joe F. West
> >>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
> >>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
> >>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> >>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
> >>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
> >>instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
> >>grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
> >>
> >>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
> >>
> >>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>:)
> >>Fred
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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94841 From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:16am
Subject: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Here's a company that makes the same kind of kit...
http://www.metalfusionfab.com/tj_tube_fenders.htm
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Joe, as much as I would like to take credit for "fabbing 'em", I
can't ;)
> Those are the PSC fenders.
>
>
> :)
> Fred
>
>
>
> Joe West wrote:
>
> >Fred,
> >
> >That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender
conversion. Good work!
> >
> >Kind Regards,
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >Joe F. West
> >Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
> >Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
> >Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> >Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
> >
> >
> >Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Took the flare off:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
> >
> >
> >Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
> >
> >
> >Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
> >
> >
> >Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
> >
> >
> >Dan's trimming some of the other side:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
> >
> >
> >Passenger side:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
> >
> >
> >Underside shot of the new fender:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
> >
> >
> >I'm putting the light trim back on:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
> >
> >
> >Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
> >
> >Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
> >I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards
to
> >the new body panel.
> >Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really
small
> >bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
> >front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll
fit,
> >I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the
in the
> >front grill, below the headlights:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
> >
> >
> > :)
> >Fred
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Joe West wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
> >>
> >>Joe F. West
> >>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
> >>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
> >>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> >>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
> >>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
> >>instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
> >>grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
> >>
> >>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
> >>
> >>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>:)
> >>Fred
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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94842 From: Frank BadAZXJ <BadAZXJ@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:37am
Subject: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Looks great!
Frank
Badazxj@h...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
> instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
> grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
>
>
>
> :)
> Fred
94843 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:39am
Subject: Free BBQ Grill, with stipulation
I have a BBQ Grill that I need to get rid of. It is about 7 years
old, works fine, but one wheel is broken. It is a Home Depot, Char???
something.
FREE, FREE, FREE....
Stipulation:
It must be used for the Hunter BBQ on Sunday, December 7th. You must
haul it away from there.
Let me know who is going to take it from John!!
This could be the "worst" raffle prize...lol
Mike Baney
94844 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:19am
Subject: Re: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
I got the PSC fenders when they were on a special, pre-release sale, so
it wouldn't apply now.
The install itself took, mmmm, probably 5 hours or so +-
Best,
Fred
Dan Dennis wrote:
>So, Fred...What was the total cost on them? And, how long did the
>bulk of the job take?
>
>I've been thinking about doing the same type of flat fender job on
>BRUZR...I was thinking of some kind of low profile lights for turn
>signal/markers and wlding up some type of really small cage to hold
>them...Don't know what's out there, though. The side markers on a YJ
>is about the size I was thinking...
>
>Dan (BRUZR's Daddy)
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
>
>
>>Joe, as much as I would like to take credit for "fabbing 'em", I
>>
>>
>can't ;)
>
>
>>Those are the PSC fenders.
>>
>>
>> :)
>> Fred
>>
>>
>>
>>Joe West wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Fred,
>>>
>>>That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender
>>>
>>>
>conversion. Good work!
>
>
>>>Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>Joe F. West
>>>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>>>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>>>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
>>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Took the flare off:
>>>
>>> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Dan's trimming some of the other side:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Passenger side:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Underside shot of the new fender:
>>>
>>> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm putting the light trim back on:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
>>>
>>>Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
>>>I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>the new body panel.
>>>Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really
>>>
>>>
>small
>
>
>>>bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
>>>front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll
>>>
>>>
>fit,
>
>
>>>I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the
>>>
>>>
>in the
>
>
>>>front grill, below the headlights:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>:)
>>>Fred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe West wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
>>>>
>>>>Joe F. West
>>>>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>>>>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>>>>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
>>>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
>>>>instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
>>>>grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
>>>>
>>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
>>>>
>>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>>
>>>>
>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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>>>>
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94820 From: <rokkcrawler@a...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:46pm
Subject: Re: Parts Help
In a message dated 11/23/2003 7:04:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
luvrocks@c... writes:
well joey he has a cj so the 36mm wouldn't work it takes a four tip socket
that you can get at autozone!!!
I have one he can borrow if he wants.......just email me off post, we can
make arrangements.
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94821 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:17pm
Subject: Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone has any experience with carbon fiber drive
shafts? I am considering one (or two) for the Willys.
Thanks,
Linda
54 wagon
94822 From: Nick N <nnote@d...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:00pm
Subject: Re: [despammed] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
I think once you get a nic or gouge in the shaft, it would fail. Same with
carbon fiber bicycle frames. Superlight and strong, definatly good for road
riding. It can survive a crash but if it sustains any damage it becomes
very weak at that point.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda" <minihummer@w...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:17 PM
Subject: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience with carbon fiber drive
> shafts? I am considering one (or two) for the Willys.
>
> Thanks,
> Linda
> 54 wagon
>
>
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94823 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 8:59pm
Subject: RE: [despammed] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
Jack ran the carbon fiber wheels for a couple of years but dumped them when
they kept cracking. Supposedly they developed a new "formula" but they just
didn't hold up to "rocks". I don't hear of any 4-wheeler using them
today........... racers do as they are light but they don't seem to be
strong. I would imagine drivelines would be the same.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick N [mailto:nnote@d...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Linda
> Subject: Re: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
>
>
> I think once you get a nic or gouge in the shaft, it would fail.
> Same with
> carbon fiber bicycle frames. Superlight and strong, definatly
> good for road
> riding. It can survive a crash but if it sustains any damage it becomes
> very weak at that point.
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda" <minihummer@w...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:17 PM
> Subject: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has any experience with carbon fiber drive
> > shafts? I am considering one (or two) for the Willys.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Linda
> > 54 wagon
> >
> >
> >
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94824 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:09pm
Subject: [TR] Martinez Cabin - Saturday, December 6, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,Jeff Titus is leading a Martinez Cabin trail run on Saturday, December 6, 2003.<br><br>When: Saturday December 6 2003
Where:
Rating: 2.5+
Length: All day
CB Channel: 8
This is the Second Annual AZVJC Toys For Tots toy collection (we hope to make this an annual event.) This year we are going to have it where we were supposed to have it last time, at the Jamboree campground. Actually, we'll be right at the gate entrance off of SR79. We won't be leading any runs or providing any food this time (sorry). All we ask is for a new unwapped gift. If anyone out there wants to lead a run,I need to know buy the 29th of NOV.I still need leaders as of 11-19-03 Thanks!!!<br>
We will also have a Toys For Tots drop off box at the BBQ for people who can not make the run.
Martinez Cabin is a wonderful trail for the "new" 4-wheeler with his stock vehicle and family.<br>
<br>
This trail will take you into Martinez Canyon which has to be one of the most beautiful canyons in the area, in league with Sedona red bluffs!! <br>
<br>
You can have lunch under the Cottonwood trees at the old homestead and you may explore the old mill.<br>
<br>
Stock vehicle, stock tires and novice drivers, this would be a wonderful trail for you!!<br>
<br>
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=809
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
94825 From: hutchmcknight <hutchmcknight@y...>
Date: Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:38pm
Subject: Re: Wanted: rear bumper to fit 1995 cherokee
---I just saw one on EBAY/Phoenix region:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2444851270&category=33640
In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Richards" <rrichards13@m...> wrote:
> Just bought a 95 cherokee sport. Rear bumper has a poll
> dent......anyone replaced thiers w/ a custom bumper and still has it
> laying around. I am sure that there is numerous years that will fit.
>
> Call if you want to get rid of it
>
> Randy
> 480-986-9420
94826 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:07am
Subject: RE: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Fred,
That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender conversion. Good work!
Kind Regards,
Joe
Joe F. West
Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
------------------------------------------------------------------
Took the flare off:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
Dan's trimming some of the other side:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
Passenger side:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
Underside shot of the new fender:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
I'm putting the light trim back on:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards to
the new body panel.
Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really small
bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll fit,
I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the in the
front grill, below the headlights:
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
:)
Fred
Joe West wrote:
>Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
>
>Joe F. West
>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>
>
>Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
>instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
>grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
>
>
>
>:)
>Fred
>
>
>
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94827 From: <NVRSTUKXJ@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 0:17am
Subject: Re: Update on my first project...
lookin' good, Philip.....except I don't see any club stickers.....
T.J. Gill
75 CJ5 w/Stuff
90 XJ w/Stuff Too
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94828 From: Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:26am
Subject: RE: Land Use Permit - Martinez Cabin
I think they were the applications for land use permits. Sandee had given us
a stack of them... Matt from Oregon took the paperwork to keep it all
together for next time... Am I right Sandee?? Thx, Bob J
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:barnes@g...]
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:26 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Land Use Permit - Martinez Cabin
Martinez Cabin will require a land use permit. Tom indicated that
there was a stack of them at the highway opening. I am in need of
one. Let me know if there are any extra that I could obtain.
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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94829 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:40am
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, December 13, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,Kent Harman is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, December 13, 2003.<br><br>When: 8:00AM
Where: Meet at the Gila Bend Love's gas station
Rating: None
Length: 2 days
CB Channel: 4
El Camino del Diablo<br>
<br>
December 13-14<br>
<br>
Meet at Gila Bend Love's gas station at 8:00AM on Saturday December 13. From here, we will travel to Ajo, top off our gas tanks, and head on down the trail. The first day we will travel 70 miles to Tule Well. There no facilities at Tule Well, aside from a few picnic tables and raised BBQ grilles. On day two, we'll continue west to the Tinajas Altas and then north to I-8 west of Wellton, for 45 more miles.<br>
<br>
In order to travel on the Camino, you need to obtain a permit for the Barry Goldwater Range / Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge for every person in your party. Getting the permit is easy. You just have to sign the Hold Harmless agreement stating that you won't sue the US government if you decide to pick up that unexploded missile. A call to the refuge office in Ajo (520) 387-5226 can explain where to send the agreement, and what their turnaround time is via mail.<br>
<br>
Any four-wheel drive vehicle can complete this trail. Due to its remoteness though, you'll need to come prepared for any unexpected surprises.<br>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1063
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
94830 From: Lester P. <AZJeep1@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:48am
Subject: Re: Jeep vids
Those links worked. Looks like great fun and a well done video to
boot! Maybe I should go that route and save some money with the
mods.
Lester
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Matt OBrien" <makaioo@y...> wrote:
> Try these...
>
> http://www.orp.com.au/RC%20Madness/RC%20MonsterTruck%
20Madness_01.wmv
> http://www.orp.com.au/RC%20Madness/RC%20MonsterTruck%
20Madness_02.wmv
> http://www.orp.com.au/RC%20Madness/RC%20MonsterTruck%
20Madness_02.wmv
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "k7ant" <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "k7ant" <k7ant@f...> wrote:
> > > For those with high speed connections.....
> > >
> > > from Jeeps unlimited website......
94831 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:20am
Subject: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Yeah, at least they aren't "funky" like Joe's.
:-P
Chris
On Nov 24, 2003, at 6:07 AM, Joe West wrote:
> Fred,
>
> That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender
> conversion. Good work!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> Joe F. West
> Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
> Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
> Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>
>
> Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Took the flare off:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
>
>
> Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
>
>
> Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
>
>
> Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
>
>
> Dan's trimming some of the other side:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
>
>
> Passenger side:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
>
>
> Underside shot of the new fender:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
>
>
> I'm putting the light trim back on:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
>
>
> Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
>
> Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
> I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards to
> the new body panel.
> Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really small
> bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
> front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll fit,
> I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the in
> the
> front grill, below the headlights:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
>
>
> :)
> Fred
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe West wrote:
>
>> Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
>>
>> Joe F. West
>> Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>> Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>> Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>>
>>
>> Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
>> instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
>> grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
>>
>> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
>>
>> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
>>
>>
>>
>> :)
>> Fred
>>
>>
>>
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94832 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:35am
Subject: RE: Land Use Permit - Martinez Cabin
I think I've already answered this but here's info for files again.........
and yes Bob, there were only information brochures available at the highway
opening. Not even applications. Hopefully I can convince them to allow the
shops and myself to sell them again................. This whole thing is
beyond stupid but until we can get this procedure changed I guess we have to
play the game. Sandee
To purchase permits by phone:
CALL:
602.364.2753 (Phoenix)
928.774.1425 (Flagstaff)
520.628.5480 (Tucson)
They will put the application in the mail to you......... you sign, attach
money and return. They then sign, take money and return. !.......... about
2 weeks turn around.
IN PERSON:
1616 West Adams, Phoenix AZ 85007
3650 Lake Mary Road, Flagstaff 86001
233 North Main Avenue, Tucson, 85701
or
PUBLIC LANDS INFORMATION CENTER (PLIC)
222 N. Central, Phoenix
(southwest corner of Central & Van Buren)
If you park in the ACE parking structure off Van Buren between Central and
1st AVENUE the PLIC will validate your parking. The PLIC is inside the main
lobby of the BLM located in the southeast corner of this building. They
have books, information, gifts and maps for anything or anywhere. They can
print maps on site.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@m...]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:27 AM
> To: 'Bill'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Land Use Permit - Martinez Cabin
>
>
> I think they were the applications for land use permits. Sandee
> had given us
> a stack of them... Matt from Oregon took the paperwork to keep it all
> together for next time... Am I right Sandee?? Thx, Bob J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill [mailto:barnes@g...]
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:26 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Land Use Permit - Martinez Cabin
>
> Martinez Cabin will require a land use permit. Tom indicated that
> there was a stack of them at the highway opening. I am in need of
> one. Let me know if there are any extra that I could obtain.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
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94833 From: kristi <jeepgirl@l...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:47am
Subject: RE: [despammed] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
What Nick said is true; it is called a "stress-riser". Anyway,
composites/laminates are generally used in strength for compression and
shear stress - they do not work very well under heavy torsion stress
(i.e., Drive shafts are under torsion loads).
Kristi/Jason
Please visit: www.luminousarizona.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick N [mailto:nnote@d...]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Linda
Subject: Re: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
I think once you get a nic or gouge in the shaft, it would fail. Same
with
carbon fiber bicycle frames. Superlight and strong, definatly good for
road
riding. It can survive a crash but if it sustains any damage it becomes
very weak at that point.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda" <minihummer@w...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:17 PM
Subject: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience with carbon fiber drive
> shafts? I am considering one (or two) for the Willys.
>
> Thanks,
> Linda
> 54 wagon
>
>
>
>
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94834 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:10am
Subject: Pic's from Power Line Run 11/22/03
Great run, but very cold I think we had 11 Jeeps and
1 Bronco
Power Line Pg. 1 http://community.webshots.com/album/101298332RvOwfi
Power Line Pg.2 http://community.webshots.com/album/101324314oZJtTN
Kelly
94835 From: Dave Peterson <gonzodave@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:23am
Subject: RE: Update on my first project...
... and the *worst* thing about doing it yourself is that you'll never
trust it to anyone else again, and now you'll *have* to do it all.
Although, come to think of it, maybe that's not such a bad thing... :-)
Dave
--- DesertJeep <joey@d...> wrote:
> Right on! I get great satisfaction working on my own Jeep. The best
> thing about doing it yourself is that you know how to fix it should
> something break on the trail.
>
> Joey K
> http://www.desertjeep.com
> 93YJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip [mailto:kathphil@c...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:22 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Update on my first project...
>
>
> Hi all...
>
> I just wanted to give everyone an update on how I my first jeep
> project is coming along...I know it is not much for some of the nice
> rigs out there, but I can say I am doing it myself and having a blast
> at it....except my check book isnt what it used to be...but I finally
> finished putting on the lift, and got the timing chain and rear main
> seal done...
>
> I have been working on getting this done for about 3 weekends now.
> It is an 83 CJ7 and I didnt want to go to high on the first time
> around, so I put a 2-1/2" heavy duty Rubicon lift on her. I also
> just finished doing the timing chain and rear main seal...The oil
> plug was stripped, so I replaced the oil pan too. The oil leaks are
> minimul now, but I just got my ne aluminum valve cover in the mail
> (found a good deal on it at tellico4x4.com (only $59.95), so that
> will be my next project...
>
> Hope to see you all on the trails in the "near" future.
>
> Check out the pictures in my Gallery if interested.
>
> Thanks,
> Philip Schaffer
>
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94836 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:22am
Subject: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Joe, as much as I would like to take credit for "fabbing 'em", I can't ;)
Those are the PSC fenders.
:)
Fred
Joe West wrote:
>Fred,
>
>That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender conversion. Good work!
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Joe
>
>Joe F. West
>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>
>
>Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>Took the flare off:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
>
>
>Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
>
>
>Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
>
>
>Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
>
>
>Dan's trimming some of the other side:
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
>
>
>Passenger side:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
>
>
>Underside shot of the new fender:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
>
>
>I'm putting the light trim back on:
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
>
>
>Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
>
>Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
>I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards to
>the new body panel.
>Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really small
>bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
>front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll fit,
>I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the in the
>front grill, below the headlights:
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
>
>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
>
>
> :)
>Fred
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Joe West wrote:
>
>
>
>>Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
>>
>>Joe F. West
>>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>>
>>
>>Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
>>instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
>>grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
>>
>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
>>
>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
>>
>>
>>
>>:)
>>Fred
>>
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94837 From: Bryan <Bryan.Loveless@n...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:52am
Subject: need help with '94 ZJ CV joint boot cracked
Hello all,
Long time no write.
My wife ran over a plastic bag (like the ones that cover large
couches) and it wrapped around her driver side front axle. She
called me to cut it off so when I arrived I removed the bag and then
check out the axle. Her abs line was pushed into the spring (but it
was find once I moved it back) but the bag ripped one side of her CV
joint.
Has anyone replaced this boot before? Does anyone know of a
conversion kit that I might be able to convert them to u-joints?
Would I wan to do this? It has been making noises once in a while
during sharp turns, so the whole joint may need replacing, has
anyone done that?
I read the Chilton, and it looked pretty simple, but looks can be
deceiving. I would like to replace this before it snows up here and
we end up getting water and cinders in there to really mess things
up. (I am in Flagstaff).
Any help or advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
--Bryan
Bryan.Loveless@n...
'94 5.2 ZJ
'02 Dodge Veon (http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~bgl/Neon_bumper.htm)
94838 From: Mookie <touringmookie@k...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:30am
Subject: Anyone watching this news?
Heya,
Anyone watching this news? Any investors in Dana?
http://www.msnbc.com/news/997409.asp
94839 From: Linda <minihummer@w...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:03am
Subject: Re: [despammed] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
Thanks for the info. I found a site that makes custom CF drive shafts
and they mention building them for trucks. But with 4-wheeling you do
run a good chance of barber-poling it and it would definitely get
scratched or cut under those conditions. I am not that familiar wih
composites and laminates.
Linda
54 wagon
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "kristi" <jeepgirl@l...> wrote:
> What Nick said is true; it is called a "stress-riser". Anyway,
> composites/laminates are generally used in strength for compression
and
> shear stress - they do not work very well under heavy torsion stress
> (i.e., Drive shafts are under torsion loads).
>
> Kristi/Jason
>
> Please visit: www.luminousarizona.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick N [mailto:nnote@d...]
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:01 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Linda
> Subject: Re: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
>
> I think once you get a nic or gouge in the shaft, it would fail.
Same
> with
> carbon fiber bicycle frames. Superlight and strong, definatly good
for
> road
> riding. It can survive a crash but if it sustains any damage it
becomes
> very weak at that point.
> Nick
>
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> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:17 PM
> Subject: [despammed] [az_vjc] Carbon Fiber Drive Shafts??
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has any experience with carbon fiber
drive
> > shafts? I am considering one (or two) for the Willys.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Linda
> > 54 wagon
> >
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94840 From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:12am
Subject: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
So, Fred...What was the total cost on them? And, how long did the
bulk of the job take?
I've been thinking about doing the same type of flat fender job on
BRUZR...I was thinking of some kind of low profile lights for turn
signal/markers and wlding up some type of really small cage to hold
them...Don't know what's out there, though. The side markers on a YJ
is about the size I was thinking...
Dan (BRUZR's Daddy)
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Joe, as much as I would like to take credit for "fabbing 'em", I
can't ;)
> Those are the PSC fenders.
>
>
> :)
> Fred
>
>
>
> Joe West wrote:
>
> >Fred,
> >
> >That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender
conversion. Good work!
> >
> >Kind Regards,
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >Joe F. West
> >Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
> >Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
> >Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> >Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
> >
> >
> >Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Took the flare off:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
> >
> >
> >Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
> >
> >
> >Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
> >
> >
> >Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
> >
> >
> >Dan's trimming some of the other side:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
> >
> >
> >Passenger side:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
> >
> >
> >Underside shot of the new fender:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
> >
> >
> >I'm putting the light trim back on:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
> >
> >
> >Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
> >
> >Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
> >I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards
to
> >the new body panel.
> >Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really
small
> >bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
> >front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll
fit,
> >I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the
in the
> >front grill, below the headlights:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
> >
> >
> > :)
> >Fred
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Joe West wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
> >>
> >>Joe F. West
> >>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
> >>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
> >>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> >>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
> >>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
> >>instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
> >>grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
> >>
> >>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
> >>
> >>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>:)
> >>Fred
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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94841 From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:16am
Subject: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Here's a company that makes the same kind of kit...
http://www.metalfusionfab.com/tj_tube_fenders.htm
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Joe, as much as I would like to take credit for "fabbing 'em", I
can't ;)
> Those are the PSC fenders.
>
>
> :)
> Fred
>
>
>
> Joe West wrote:
>
> >Fred,
> >
> >That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender
conversion. Good work!
> >
> >Kind Regards,
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >Joe F. West
> >Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
> >Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
> >Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> >Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
> >
> >
> >Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Took the flare off:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
> >
> >
> >Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
> >
> >
> >Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
> >
> >
> >Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
> >
> >
> >Dan's trimming some of the other side:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
> >
> >
> >Passenger side:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
> >
> >
> >Underside shot of the new fender:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
> >
> >
> >I'm putting the light trim back on:
> >
> > http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
> >
> >
> >Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
> >
> >Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
> >I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards
to
> >the new body panel.
> >Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really
small
> >bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
> >front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll
fit,
> >I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the
in the
> >front grill, below the headlights:
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
> >
> >http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
> >
> >
> > :)
> >Fred
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Joe West wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
> >>
> >>Joe F. West
> >>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
> >>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
> >>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> >>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
> >>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
> >>instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
> >>grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
> >>
> >>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
> >>
> >>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>:)
> >>Fred
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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94842 From: Frank BadAZXJ <BadAZXJ@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:37am
Subject: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
Looks great!
Frank
Badazxj@h...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
> instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
> grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
>
> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
>
>
>
> :)
> Fred
94843 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:39am
Subject: Free BBQ Grill, with stipulation
I have a BBQ Grill that I need to get rid of. It is about 7 years
old, works fine, but one wheel is broken. It is a Home Depot, Char???
something.
FREE, FREE, FREE....
Stipulation:
It must be used for the Hunter BBQ on Sunday, December 7th. You must
haul it away from there.
Let me know who is going to take it from John!!
This could be the "worst" raffle prize...lol
Mike Baney
94844 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:19am
Subject: Re: Re: Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
I got the PSC fenders when they were on a special, pre-release sale, so
it wouldn't apply now.
The install itself took, mmmm, probably 5 hours or so +-
Best,
Fred
Dan Dennis wrote:
>So, Fred...What was the total cost on them? And, how long did the
>bulk of the job take?
>
>I've been thinking about doing the same type of flat fender job on
>BRUZR...I was thinking of some kind of low profile lights for turn
>signal/markers and wlding up some type of really small cage to hold
>them...Don't know what's out there, though. The side markers on a YJ
>is about the size I was thinking...
>
>Dan (BRUZR's Daddy)
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...> wrote:
>
>
>>Joe, as much as I would like to take credit for "fabbing 'em", I
>>
>>
>can't ;)
>
>
>>Those are the PSC fenders.
>>
>>
>> :)
>> Fred
>>
>>
>>
>>Joe West wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Fred,
>>>
>>>That is one of the nicest jobs I have ever seen for a flat fender
>>>
>>>
>conversion. Good work!
>
>
>>>Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>Joe F. West
>>>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>>>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>>>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:14 PM
>>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok, here's the rest of it ;)
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Took the flare off:
>>>
>>> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FlareOff.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Let's see, I'm cutting off stuff with the plasma cutter:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Cutting.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Mmmm, it's pretty much all off now:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed1.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok, Dan's grinding some of the rough edges off:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Grind.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Dan's trimming some of the other side:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/DanCut.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Passenger side:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Exposed2.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Underside shot of the new fender:
>>>
>>> http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Underside.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm putting the light trim back on:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/FredLight.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>Finished ! (Thanks for the help Dan !! )
>>>
>>>Well, almost. I sill have to drill and bolt the top of the fenders.
>>>I also have to drill and bolt that front hole in the rocker guards
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>the new body panel.
>>>Lastly, I'm looking (in some of the hot rod shops)for some really
>>>
>>>
>small
>
>
>>>bulbs for the front turn signal/parking light, to fit right in the
>>>front, tucked up by the brace. If I can't find anything that'll
>>>
>>>
>fit,
>
>
>>>I'll use some CJ turn signals/parking light (round) and mount the
>>>
>>>
>in the
>
>
>>>front grill, below the headlights:
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done1.JPG
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done2.JPG
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done3.JPG
>>>
>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Done4.JPG
>>>
>>>
>>>:)
>>>Fred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe West wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Now... how about some pictures of what remains on the Jeep :)
>>>>
>>>>Joe F. West
>>>>Applications Consultant Synopsys Corporation
>>>>Cell (650)861-1359 Office (480) 733-2147
>>>>Blackberry PIN 2005DD8F
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Fred Wilson [mailto:fredtj@c...]
>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:41 AM
>>>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Subject: [az_vjc] Ahhh, what happened to my Jeep !!! ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dan and I crawled all of the front of the Jeep yesterday, with
>>>>instruments of desctuction (sawsall, plasma cutter, cutoff wheel,
>>>>grinder, hammers, etc. ;) ) in hand ;)
>>>>
>>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk1.JPG
>>>>
>>>>http://fredtj.com/images/photos/pcsfenders/Junk2.JPG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>Fred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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