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94169 From: olneyjeeps <olneyjeeps@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:31am
Subject: Re: new member/ sandy beach
Most defitanately a need for more Jeep(s)
I have switched to 35's, geting rid of sliders (AKA outside the frame
exhaust) for real sliders
I think I could do it now, but would not attempt without reliable
backup (other Jeeps with winches / ability)
vally goes from 100-150 feet wide to under 30;Rocks which need to be
traversed are the size of Hummers
Just spoke with Randy Ellis; he confirmed nasty section is about 1
mile long, best suited to short wheelbase vehicles with lots of
ground clearance/rocker protection/good winch
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> I would say that if you have to move a lot of rocks on this trail
you
> may need more Jeep. :o
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olneyjeeps [mailto:olneyjeeps@y...]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: new member/ sandy beach
>
> Earlier this year, after talking with many people and surveying
from
> the air, I led a group on the sandy beach trail.
> The first 3miles are very easy. The next mile is really really
really
> nasty. Because the other members of the group did not want to go
> further, I (78CJ7 4" lift,33x12.5 BFG's+f+r lockers) only the first
> 20-30 yards; it took about 30 minutes + broken shackle + lots of
> stacking+ body damage to get back out.
> I would love to lead another groop (challange/hint hint) but
required
> equipment would be:
> minumum 33x125, 35+ (33's=lot of body damage probable)
> Front and rear lockers
> winch + hooks
> strong back (rocks are heavy)
>
> Call if interested
> Steve Olney
> 602-482-2428
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin & Kelly" <kkhop@j...> wrote:
> > I was told the only way to the beach was entering through
> > 4 peaks ...
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "john" <hoardo2004@y...> wrote:
> > > hi I was just wondering on how to get to this sandy beach on
the
> > > coves at saguaro. I have been back to cove 6 but i keep
hearing
> > > rumors of this beach past that. any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
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94170 From: Marty <robatari@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:39am
Subject: Payeatt Draw
There was a good article in 4 wheel drive magazine
this month about payeatt draw up in payson.Has any one
been on it?Looks like alot of fun.
Marty
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94171 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:50am
Subject: RE: Payeatt Draw
Yep. I helped open that trail with Greg (C-Roc)(AZ Dust Devils) about 5
years ago. We just ran it last Aug. Only two of us made it up the middle
(the hard line) on the first water fall that was me and Greg. Everyone had
to wench up the second water fall and then it started raining on us so we
opted out of the 5+ section that is after the second water fall.
-----Original Message-----
From: Marty [mailto:robatari@y...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:39 PM
To: azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Payeatt Draw
There was a good article in 4 wheel drive magazine
this month about payeatt draw up in payson.Has any one
been on it?Looks like alot of fun.
Marty
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94172 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 0:12pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, December 13, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,Kent Harman is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, December 13, 2003.<br><br>When: 8:00AM
Where: Meet at the Gila Bend Love's gas station
Rating: None
Length: 2 days
CB Channel: 4
El Camino del Diablo<br>
<br>
December 13-14<br>
<br>
Meet at Gila Bend Love's gas station at 8:00AM on Saturday December 13. From here, we will travel to Ajo, top off our gas tanks, and head on down the trail. The first day we will travel 70 miles to Tule Well. There no facilities at Tule Well, aside from a few picnic tables and raised BBQ grilles. On day two, we'll continue west to the Tinajas Altas and then north to I-8 west of Wellton, for 45 more miles.<br>
<br>
In order to travel on the Camino, you need to obtain a permit for the Barry Goldwater Range / Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge for every person in your party. Getting the permit is easy. You just have to sign the Hold Harmless agreement stating that you won't sue the US government if you decide to pick up that unexploded missile. A call to the refuge office in Ajo (520) 387-5226 can explain where to send the agreement, and what their turnaround time is via mail.<br>
<br>
Any four-wheel drive vehicle can complete this trail. Due to its remoteness though, you'll need to come prepared for any unexpected surprises.<br>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1063
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
94173 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:15pm
Subject: [Tech] Jeep Cherokee - Skid plates
Does anyone mnfg skid plates for Cherokees? I took broken arrow trail Friday with some family I had in town. Easy trail but my stock cherokee could have used some armor down below. I was quite worried for my oil and automatic pan. Gas tank took a close call as well.
I dont want to do alot of work to the suspension since it is a daily driver for the kids but a little protection for family excursions would be nice. Any help finding some skid plates would be appreciated.
Brian Freyberger
94174 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:20pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Problem NO CLUE???
Richard -
Could think of a few things that might be wrong, but they're mostly
WAG's (wild *****ed guesses). On one hand it almost sounds like vapor
locking, on another it soulds like a connection may be loose, and on yet
another it sounds like you may have some sediment/flakes getting sucked
up into the pump/filter. (Don't ask where I got the three hands!)
Anyways, glad you got home. Thanks for showing me the scenic route
back!
Tom
From: Richard Logan
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Cc: 'azundertakers@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: Jeep Problem NO CLUE???
I have a 4.0 5 speed and Sunday was the first time I took my jeep on a
trail since I have had it out of the shop> we did H2H and it ran and
worked great on the trail. After we finished we were heading out and
the
jeep started to cough, backfire lose power where it would only go
about
2 mph if that, still coughing backfire etc then no power. I let it sit
for a couple min it would start right up move but same thing happened.
We finally towed it to the cottonwood entrance. I started it back up
no
problem had power etc. so I had a friend follow me back to Gilbert
drove
fine 60 mph THEN on Arizona farm road we hit railroad tracks which was
a
large bump then jeep started same thing coughing, choking and
backfiring
and losing power. Well to make a long story short let it sit few
minutes
then started back up and was fine all the way home. HELP I have not a
clue what happened. When I drove it on street and highway a few week
before I did H2H no problem and I drove hundreds of miles only after
the
trail did this problem evolve. Any suggestions please on what does the
group think happened. I have a custom gas tank with new fuel pump
which
is located at the top of the new tank for easy access and so I do not
have to drop the tank if fuel pump problems are about the tank is the
only new mod to fuel line system. You can also e-mail me @
urbancrawler@c...
Rick Logan 92 YJ Urban Crawler
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94175 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:20pm
Subject: [Tech] 1998 Cherokee - skid plates for cherokee
Does anyone know where I could find skid plates for a 1998 Automatic transmisson Cherokee?
Brian Freyberger
94176 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:58pm
Subject: Re: Payeatt Draw
That is a great run easy to extream and stay pretty close
to the hole group...
http://community.webshots.com/album/85006367MofUMk
-- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Marty <robatari@y...> wrote:
> There was a good article in 4 wheel drive magazine
> this month about payeatt draw up in payson.Has any one
> been on it?Looks like alot of fun.
> Marty
>
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94177 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:34pm
Subject: RE: Re: new member/ sandy beach
I think you miss understood me. I meant that if you are moving a lot of
rocks to get you through the trail you shouldn't be on the trail. You
should have a more capable Jeep to get you through.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: olneyjeeps [mailto:olneyjeeps@y...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: new member/ sandy beach
Most defitanately a need for more Jeep(s)
I have switched to 35's, geting rid of sliders (AKA outside the frame
exhaust) for real sliders
I think I could do it now, but would not attempt without reliable
backup (other Jeeps with winches / ability)
vally goes from 100-150 feet wide to under 30;Rocks which need to be
traversed are the size of Hummers
Just spoke with Randy Ellis; he confirmed nasty section is about 1
mile long, best suited to short wheelbase vehicles with lots of
ground clearance/rocker protection/good winch
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> I would say that if you have to move a lot of rocks on this trail
you
> may need more Jeep. :o
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olneyjeeps [mailto:olneyjeeps@y...]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: new member/ sandy beach
>
> Earlier this year, after talking with many people and surveying
from
> the air, I led a group on the sandy beach trail.
> The first 3miles are very easy. The next mile is really really
really
> nasty. Because the other members of the group did not want to go
> further, I (78CJ7 4" lift,33x12.5 BFG's+f+r lockers) only the first
> 20-30 yards; it took about 30 minutes + broken shackle + lots of
> stacking+ body damage to get back out.
> I would love to lead another groop (challange/hint hint) but
required
> equipment would be:
> minumum 33x125, 35+ (33's=lot of body damage probable)
> Front and rear lockers
> winch + hooks
> strong back (rocks are heavy)
>
> Call if interested
> Steve Olney
> 602-482-2428
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin & Kelly" <kkhop@j...> wrote:
> > I was told the only way to the beach was entering through
> > 4 peaks ...
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "john" <hoardo2004@y...> wrote:
> > > hi I was just wondering on how to get to this sandy beach on
the
> > > coves at saguaro. I have been back to cove 6 but i keep
hearing
> > > rumors of this beach past that. any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
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94178 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:41pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Sunday, November 9, 2003
Hello All,
Tom Schenk lead a trail run Sunday, November 9, 2003 across Lake Pleasant to Crown King
Great turnout, lots of jeeps, one poser, a toyota, and a scout. I think a few of the drivers saw the jeeps at the rally point and jumped in. Every one did good on the trail. No one broke anything. I got my first body dammage(tear). See you all back out on the trail! <Note to 2WD Xterra driver: Do not attend any of my runs again. Your burden is not needed nor welcome.>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1078
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
94179 From: John Rabenius <jrabenius@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:12pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] 2003 TJ - 35c Powertrax
Funny,
I also have Powertrax loc-rites in both axles of my 1999 TJ. My TJ
has the Dana 35C in the rear, and a Dana 30 up front. I am running
31" BFG all terrains with the automatic and 3:07 gears.
I had the same setup in my 2000 Cherokee, except the Cherokee had
the Chrysler 8.25 rear with the Dana 30 front axle. The Cherokee had
33" MTR's and 4.56 gears with the automatic tranny too.
I have not had ANY problems with either jeep running Powertrax Loc
Rites. I have never noticed ANY indications that I had lockers in
either jeep( other than when off road, of course). They are both
very quiet on the street, and have given me nothing but excellent
performance and no troubles at all. I had 80,000 miles on my
Cherokee with the Loc RItes, and I have 5,000 miles on my TJ. I took
the front Loc Rite out of the Cherokee and put it into the TJ, and
noticed that after 80,000 miles, the Loc Rite had no wear patterns
on the parts. People that ride/drive my Jeep have commented that
they did not notice anything either.
I am surprised that you had problems with your Loc Rite. Could it be
that you broke the axle off road by wedging the sidewall against a
rock? It sounds more like you experienced a weakness in the Dana
35C, not the Loc Rite.
For the money, I will take Loc Rites!
John R
94180 From: Matt OBrien <makaioo@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:14pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Trip Report - Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Sunday, November 9, 2003
Really sorry I couldn't make this run but the 2 yr olds bday party
took precedence. Bummer to hear about the dead weight problem.
Hopefully this person will take your advice to heart and either
replace the Xterra with a capable rig or go hang out with the H2
crowd instead.
Matt
K7MTO
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> Great turnout, lots of jeeps, one poser, a toyota, and a scout. I
think a few of the drivers saw the jeeps at the rally point and
jumped in. Every one did good on the trail. No one broke anything.
I got my first body dammage(tear). See you all back out on the
trail! <Note to 2WD Xterra driver: Do not attend any of my runs
again. Your burden is not needed nor welcome.>
94181 From: Randy Davis <luvrocks@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:17pm
Subject: model 20 needed round two
sorry for not getting back to everyone that replied to me about the model 20's they had.i had a hard time getting a hold of the guy to see how wide it was,not to sure about the width i didn't measure it but he came up with 56" so i assume its a narrow track and he's looking for 4:10's so if anybody can help him let me know TIA!!!
Randy Davis
Arizona Rock Rats
Land Use Chairman
AZVJC!!!
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94182 From: John Rabenius <jrabenius@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Hummer Run...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Dennis" <dannpegg@c...> wrote:
I can't believe those pics...The looks
> on the drivers' faces are so intense...Like they're actually having
> to concentrate on what they're doing!
. . . Well, remember . . . they are driving a $60,000+ vehicle. I'd
be scared too.
John R
1999 TJ
94183 From: k7ant <k7ant@f...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:54pm
Subject: Re: Payeatt Draw
It's a neat trail! Ran it with Thom Campbell from Payson up to the
ledges.
Antman
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
wrote:
> Yep. I helped open that trail with Greg (C-Roc)(AZ Dust Devils)
about 5
> years ago. We just ran it last Aug. Only two of us made it up the
middle
> (the hard line) on the first water fall that was me and Greg.
Everyone had
> to wench up the second water fall and then it started raining on
us so we
> opted out of the 5+ section that is after the second water fall.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marty [mailto:robatari@y...]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: azvjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] Payeatt Draw
>
>
> There was a good article in 4 wheel drive magazine
> this month about payeatt draw up in payson.Has any one
> been on it?Looks like alot of fun.
> Marty
>
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94184 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:03pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Highway to Hell - Sunday, November 9, 2003
Hello All,
steve sample lead a trail run Sunday, November 9, 2003 across Highway to Hell
right on<br>
<br>
<br>
richard and tim helzer led me through H2H. i was a little tentative to do a trail rated as such but they assured me that a little YJ could make it. they told me to bring a winch but i never used it....never could figure that one out. and the spare parts they asked me to bring really filled up the back of my jeep and again.......never used them? the sandwiches and sodas did come in handy though. we completed the trail and headed home. <br>
<br>
thanks to richard and tim for the fantastic trip :)<br>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1079
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
94185 From: Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:11pm
Subject: [FS] Rims for sale
I've got (4) factory Jeep wheels for sale that came off my 91 Cherokee
Sport. They are a 7" rim with, I believe, 5.25" backspacing. They are in
great shape with little to no rockrash. Here is a link to a pic:
http://www.rockrats.org/RR/Scripts/Thumb.asp?W=640&F=175_03111017107.jpg
$50 is my price
I'm at 35av/Union Hills.
Rick
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94186 From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:35pm
Subject: I guess I need to ask again...
Since everyone has been caught up in this Hummer feeding frenzy, I
figured I'd ask again...
Is anyone planning on doing any wheelin' over the Thanksgiving
weekend? I'll be out there for the majority (from Thursday til
Sunday sometime...)and REALLY want to do some wheelin'!!! I gotta
have something to do while my wife is visiting her mom in the
hospital or I'll go NUTS!!!
Give me a shout!!!
Dan (BRUZR's Daddy)
97 TJ (BRUZR), Locked and Loaded in Lake Havasu City, AZ
94187 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:54pm
Subject: RE: I guess I need to ask again...
Dan most trips come up the week of the trip. Someone will have a trip on
Thanksgiving weekend and I am sure you will have a seat available if you
will not have your Jeep. This group always comes through and they will this
time. BTW my Nearly Stock YJ is broken until I get it in to Hunter or I
would offer.
Jim F. aka Hackle
Arizona RockRats President
http://www.rockrats.org/
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Dennis [mailto:dannpegg@c...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I guess I need to ask again...
Since everyone has been caught up in this Hummer feeding frenzy, I
figured I'd ask again...
Is anyone planning on doing any wheelin' over the Thanksgiving
weekend? I'll be out there for the majority (from Thursday til
Sunday sometime...)and REALLY want to do some wheelin'!!! I gotta
have something to do while my wife is visiting her mom in the
hospital or I'll go NUTS!!!
Give me a shout!!!
Dan (BRUZR's Daddy)
97 TJ (BRUZR), Locked and Loaded in Lake Havasu City, AZ
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94188 From: yzguyone25 <YZGUYONE25@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:26pm
Subject: Need parts soon! Help please!
Well,
I made a body lift for my Jeep and I love it so far. Unfortunately
with the body lift and the transfer case drop I cannot shift into
4wd! I am having withdrawls from 4wd!
I need to either get a MM lift or the linkage extension piece. Does
anyone have either of these laying around? I will come with cash in
hand!
Or, can anyone give my ideas on how to make my own MM lift?
Thanks a ton everyone!
Justin Olson
YZGUYONE25@a...
94189 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:43pm
Subject: Re: Need parts soon! Help please!
Did you try the simply first ??
That is adjusting the linkage..
There's an adjustment for it you know, assuming that you have a TJ ;)
:)
Fred
yzguyone25 wrote:
>Well,
>
>I made a body lift for my Jeep and I love it so far. Unfortunately
>with the body lift and the transfer case drop I cannot shift into
>4wd! I am having withdrawls from 4wd!
>
>I need to either get a MM lift or the linkage extension piece. Does
>anyone have either of these laying around? I will come with cash in
>hand!
>
>Or, can anyone give my ideas on how to make my own MM lift?
>
>Thanks a ton everyone!
>Justin Olson
>YZGUYONE25@a...
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
94190 From: Andrew Deschapelles <andrewrrdd@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:42pm
Subject: Dana 30 question...
Hi Folks...
I have a '97 TJ with Dana 30 upfront running 3.07 gears. I recently purchased 4.11 gears to upgrade both axles. What I did not realize was that I would have to purchase a bigger carrier up front to fit the 4.11 gears. I have been looking on Ebay and have noticed numerous Dana 30 components (carriers, gears etc) from CJ's and YJ's...
Question... will these older Dana 30 components fit in my '97 TJ dana 30? Is there any functional difference between the Dana 30 from CJ's and YJ's and the Dana 30 in my TJ?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Andrew
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94191 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:51pm
Subject: RE: Dana 30 question...
All D30 carriers are the same no matter what vehicle they came from. The cut
off is 3.73:1. I do allot of gear jobs and I know where I can get you a
carrier local. Email me off list if you are interested.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Deschapelles [mailto:andrewrrdd@y...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:43 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Dana 30 question...
Hi Folks...
I have a '97 TJ with Dana 30 upfront running 3.07 gears. I recently
purchased 4.11 gears to upgrade both axles. What I did not realize was that
I would have to purchase a bigger carrier up front to fit the 4.11 gears. I
have been looking on Ebay and have noticed numerous Dana 30 components
(carriers, gears etc) from CJ's and YJ's...
Question... will these older Dana 30 components fit in my '97 TJ dana 30?
Is there any functional difference between the Dana 30 from CJ's and YJ's
and the Dana 30 in my TJ?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Andrew
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94192 From: laredo0249 <Dslywalker1@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:54pm
Subject: Crown King Trip
Just curious there was a red Jeep yesterday 11/9/03 that run off the
road out of Crown King about 5 in the afternoon.I don't know if it
supported a Club Sticker but our Fire Dept. responded to it.There was
supposed to be 2 people out of there Jeep walking around.By the time
we got to the incident there was no one there but the Jeep.Any incite
on this issue?
Thanx Mike
94193 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:59pm
Subject: RE: Crown King Trip
If it was a White YJ it is probably Joey K again. He will be back in a
couple days looking for his Jeep. BTW be careful as when he goes on these
"trips" he feels it is clothing optional:) Jim F.
Arizona RockRats President
http://www.rockrats.org/
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: laredo0249 [mailto:Dslywalker1@a...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King Trip
Just curious there was a red Jeep yesterday 11/9/03 that run off the
road out of Crown King about 5 in the afternoon.I don't know if it
supported a Club Sticker but our Fire Dept. responded to it.There was
supposed to be 2 people out of there Jeep walking around.By the time
we got to the incident there was no one there but the Jeep.Any incite
on this issue?
Thanx Mike
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94169 From: olneyjeeps <olneyjeeps@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:31am
Subject: Re: new member/ sandy beach
Most defitanately a need for more Jeep(s)
I have switched to 35's, geting rid of sliders (AKA outside the frame
exhaust) for real sliders
I think I could do it now, but would not attempt without reliable
backup (other Jeeps with winches / ability)
vally goes from 100-150 feet wide to under 30;Rocks which need to be
traversed are the size of Hummers
Just spoke with Randy Ellis; he confirmed nasty section is about 1
mile long, best suited to short wheelbase vehicles with lots of
ground clearance/rocker protection/good winch
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> I would say that if you have to move a lot of rocks on this trail
you
> may need more Jeep. :o
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olneyjeeps [mailto:olneyjeeps@y...]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: new member/ sandy beach
>
> Earlier this year, after talking with many people and surveying
from
> the air, I led a group on the sandy beach trail.
> The first 3miles are very easy. The next mile is really really
really
> nasty. Because the other members of the group did not want to go
> further, I (78CJ7 4" lift,33x12.5 BFG's+f+r lockers) only the first
> 20-30 yards; it took about 30 minutes + broken shackle + lots of
> stacking+ body damage to get back out.
> I would love to lead another groop (challange/hint hint) but
required
> equipment would be:
> minumum 33x125, 35+ (33's=lot of body damage probable)
> Front and rear lockers
> winch + hooks
> strong back (rocks are heavy)
>
> Call if interested
> Steve Olney
> 602-482-2428
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin & Kelly" <kkhop@j...> wrote:
> > I was told the only way to the beach was entering through
> > 4 peaks ...
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "john" <hoardo2004@y...> wrote:
> > > hi I was just wondering on how to get to this sandy beach on
the
> > > coves at saguaro. I have been back to cove 6 but i keep
hearing
> > > rumors of this beach past that. any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
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94170 From: Marty <robatari@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:39am
Subject: Payeatt Draw
There was a good article in 4 wheel drive magazine
this month about payeatt draw up in payson.Has any one
been on it?Looks like alot of fun.
Marty
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94171 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:50am
Subject: RE: Payeatt Draw
Yep. I helped open that trail with Greg (C-Roc)(AZ Dust Devils) about 5
years ago. We just ran it last Aug. Only two of us made it up the middle
(the hard line) on the first water fall that was me and Greg. Everyone had
to wench up the second water fall and then it started raining on us so we
opted out of the 5+ section that is after the second water fall.
-----Original Message-----
From: Marty [mailto:robatari@y...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:39 PM
To: azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Payeatt Draw
There was a good article in 4 wheel drive magazine
this month about payeatt draw up in payson.Has any one
been on it?Looks like alot of fun.
Marty
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94172 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 0:12pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, December 13, 2003 - Reminder
Hello All,Kent Harman is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, December 13, 2003.<br><br>When: 8:00AM
Where: Meet at the Gila Bend Love's gas station
Rating: None
Length: 2 days
CB Channel: 4
El Camino del Diablo<br>
<br>
December 13-14<br>
<br>
Meet at Gila Bend Love's gas station at 8:00AM on Saturday December 13. From here, we will travel to Ajo, top off our gas tanks, and head on down the trail. The first day we will travel 70 miles to Tule Well. There no facilities at Tule Well, aside from a few picnic tables and raised BBQ grilles. On day two, we'll continue west to the Tinajas Altas and then north to I-8 west of Wellton, for 45 more miles.<br>
<br>
In order to travel on the Camino, you need to obtain a permit for the Barry Goldwater Range / Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge for every person in your party. Getting the permit is easy. You just have to sign the Hold Harmless agreement stating that you won't sue the US government if you decide to pick up that unexploded missile. A call to the refuge office in Ajo (520) 387-5226 can explain where to send the agreement, and what their turnaround time is via mail.<br>
<br>
Any four-wheel drive vehicle can complete this trail. Due to its remoteness though, you'll need to come prepared for any unexpected surprises.<br>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1063
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
94173 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:15pm
Subject: [Tech] Jeep Cherokee - Skid plates
Does anyone mnfg skid plates for Cherokees? I took broken arrow trail Friday with some family I had in town. Easy trail but my stock cherokee could have used some armor down below. I was quite worried for my oil and automatic pan. Gas tank took a close call as well.
I dont want to do alot of work to the suspension since it is a daily driver for the kids but a little protection for family excursions would be nice. Any help finding some skid plates would be appreciated.
Brian Freyberger
94174 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:20pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Problem NO CLUE???
Richard -
Could think of a few things that might be wrong, but they're mostly
WAG's (wild *****ed guesses). On one hand it almost sounds like vapor
locking, on another it soulds like a connection may be loose, and on yet
another it sounds like you may have some sediment/flakes getting sucked
up into the pump/filter. (Don't ask where I got the three hands!)
Anyways, glad you got home. Thanks for showing me the scenic route
back!
Tom
From: Richard Logan
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Cc: 'azundertakers@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: Jeep Problem NO CLUE???
I have a 4.0 5 speed and Sunday was the first time I took my jeep on a
trail since I have had it out of the shop> we did H2H and it ran and
worked great on the trail. After we finished we were heading out and
the
jeep started to cough, backfire lose power where it would only go
about
2 mph if that, still coughing backfire etc then no power. I let it sit
for a couple min it would start right up move but same thing happened.
We finally towed it to the cottonwood entrance. I started it back up
no
problem had power etc. so I had a friend follow me back to Gilbert
drove
fine 60 mph THEN on Arizona farm road we hit railroad tracks which was
a
large bump then jeep started same thing coughing, choking and
backfiring
and losing power. Well to make a long story short let it sit few
minutes
then started back up and was fine all the way home. HELP I have not a
clue what happened. When I drove it on street and highway a few week
before I did H2H no problem and I drove hundreds of miles only after
the
trail did this problem evolve. Any suggestions please on what does the
group think happened. I have a custom gas tank with new fuel pump
which
is located at the top of the new tank for easy access and so I do not
have to drop the tank if fuel pump problems are about the tank is the
only new mod to fuel line system. You can also e-mail me @
urbancrawler@c...
Rick Logan 92 YJ Urban Crawler
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94175 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:20pm
Subject: [Tech] 1998 Cherokee - skid plates for cherokee
Does anyone know where I could find skid plates for a 1998 Automatic transmisson Cherokee?
Brian Freyberger
94176 From: Kevin & Kelly <kkhop@j...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:58pm
Subject: Re: Payeatt Draw
That is a great run easy to extream and stay pretty close
to the hole group...
http://community.webshots.com/album/85006367MofUMk
-- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Marty <robatari@y...> wrote:
> There was a good article in 4 wheel drive magazine
> this month about payeatt draw up in payson.Has any one
> been on it?Looks like alot of fun.
> Marty
>
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94177 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:34pm
Subject: RE: Re: new member/ sandy beach
I think you miss understood me. I meant that if you are moving a lot of
rocks to get you through the trail you shouldn't be on the trail. You
should have a more capable Jeep to get you through.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: olneyjeeps [mailto:olneyjeeps@y...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: new member/ sandy beach
Most defitanately a need for more Jeep(s)
I have switched to 35's, geting rid of sliders (AKA outside the frame
exhaust) for real sliders
I think I could do it now, but would not attempt without reliable
backup (other Jeeps with winches / ability)
vally goes from 100-150 feet wide to under 30;Rocks which need to be
traversed are the size of Hummers
Just spoke with Randy Ellis; he confirmed nasty section is about 1
mile long, best suited to short wheelbase vehicles with lots of
ground clearance/rocker protection/good winch
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> I would say that if you have to move a lot of rocks on this trail
you
> may need more Jeep. :o
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olneyjeeps [mailto:olneyjeeps@y...]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: new member/ sandy beach
>
> Earlier this year, after talking with many people and surveying
from
> the air, I led a group on the sandy beach trail.
> The first 3miles are very easy. The next mile is really really
really
> nasty. Because the other members of the group did not want to go
> further, I (78CJ7 4" lift,33x12.5 BFG's+f+r lockers) only the first
> 20-30 yards; it took about 30 minutes + broken shackle + lots of
> stacking+ body damage to get back out.
> I would love to lead another groop (challange/hint hint) but
required
> equipment would be:
> minumum 33x125, 35+ (33's=lot of body damage probable)
> Front and rear lockers
> winch + hooks
> strong back (rocks are heavy)
>
> Call if interested
> Steve Olney
> 602-482-2428
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin & Kelly" <kkhop@j...> wrote:
> > I was told the only way to the beach was entering through
> > 4 peaks ...
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "john" <hoardo2004@y...> wrote:
> > > hi I was just wondering on how to get to this sandy beach on
the
> > > coves at saguaro. I have been back to cove 6 but i keep
hearing
> > > rumors of this beach past that. any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
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94178 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:41pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Sunday, November 9, 2003
Hello All,
Tom Schenk lead a trail run Sunday, November 9, 2003 across Lake Pleasant to Crown King
Great turnout, lots of jeeps, one poser, a toyota, and a scout. I think a few of the drivers saw the jeeps at the rally point and jumped in. Every one did good on the trail. No one broke anything. I got my first body dammage(tear). See you all back out on the trail! <Note to 2WD Xterra driver: Do not attend any of my runs again. Your burden is not needed nor welcome.>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1078
Click the above link to View Pictures (if available)Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
94179 From: John Rabenius <jrabenius@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:12pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] 2003 TJ - 35c Powertrax
Funny,
I also have Powertrax loc-rites in both axles of my 1999 TJ. My TJ
has the Dana 35C in the rear, and a Dana 30 up front. I am running
31" BFG all terrains with the automatic and 3:07 gears.
I had the same setup in my 2000 Cherokee, except the Cherokee had
the Chrysler 8.25 rear with the Dana 30 front axle. The Cherokee had
33" MTR's and 4.56 gears with the automatic tranny too.
I have not had ANY problems with either jeep running Powertrax Loc
Rites. I have never noticed ANY indications that I had lockers in
either jeep( other than when off road, of course). They are both
very quiet on the street, and have given me nothing but excellent
performance and no troubles at all. I had 80,000 miles on my
Cherokee with the Loc RItes, and I have 5,000 miles on my TJ. I took
the front Loc Rite out of the Cherokee and put it into the TJ, and
noticed that after 80,000 miles, the Loc Rite had no wear patterns
on the parts. People that ride/drive my Jeep have commented that
they did not notice anything either.
I am surprised that you had problems with your Loc Rite. Could it be
that you broke the axle off road by wedging the sidewall against a
rock? It sounds more like you experienced a weakness in the Dana
35C, not the Loc Rite.
For the money, I will take Loc Rites!
John R
94180 From: Matt OBrien <makaioo@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:14pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Trip Report - Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Sunday, November 9, 2003
Really sorry I couldn't make this run but the 2 yr olds bday party
took precedence. Bummer to hear about the dead weight problem.
Hopefully this person will take your advice to heart and either
replace the Xterra with a capable rig or go hang out with the H2
crowd instead.
Matt
K7MTO
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> Great turnout, lots of jeeps, one poser, a toyota, and a scout. I
think a few of the drivers saw the jeeps at the rally point and
jumped in. Every one did good on the trail. No one broke anything.
I got my first body dammage(tear). See you all back out on the
trail! <Note to 2WD Xterra driver: Do not attend any of my runs
again. Your burden is not needed nor welcome.>
94181 From: Randy Davis <luvrocks@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:17pm
Subject: model 20 needed round two
sorry for not getting back to everyone that replied to me about the model 20's they had.i had a hard time getting a hold of the guy to see how wide it was,not to sure about the width i didn't measure it but he came up with 56" so i assume its a narrow track and he's looking for 4:10's so if anybody can help him let me know TIA!!!
Randy Davis
Arizona Rock Rats
Land Use Chairman
AZVJC!!!
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94182 From: John Rabenius <jrabenius@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:24pm
Subject: Re: Hummer Run...
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Dennis" <dannpegg@c...> wrote:
I can't believe those pics...The looks
> on the drivers' faces are so intense...Like they're actually having
> to concentrate on what they're doing!
. . . Well, remember . . . they are driving a $60,000+ vehicle. I'd
be scared too.
John R
1999 TJ
94183 From: k7ant <k7ant@f...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:54pm
Subject: Re: Payeatt Draw
It's a neat trail! Ran it with Thom Campbell from Payson up to the
ledges.
Antman
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
wrote:
> Yep. I helped open that trail with Greg (C-Roc)(AZ Dust Devils)
about 5
> years ago. We just ran it last Aug. Only two of us made it up the
middle
> (the hard line) on the first water fall that was me and Greg.
Everyone had
> to wench up the second water fall and then it started raining on
us so we
> opted out of the 5+ section that is after the second water fall.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marty [mailto:robatari@y...]
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: azvjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] Payeatt Draw
>
>
> There was a good article in 4 wheel drive magazine
> this month about payeatt draw up in payson.Has any one
> been on it?Looks like alot of fun.
> Marty
>
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94184 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:03pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Highway to Hell - Sunday, November 9, 2003
Hello All,
steve sample lead a trail run Sunday, November 9, 2003 across Highway to Hell
right on<br>
<br>
<br>
richard and tim helzer led me through H2H. i was a little tentative to do a trail rated as such but they assured me that a little YJ could make it. they told me to bring a winch but i never used it....never could figure that one out. and the spare parts they asked me to bring really filled up the back of my jeep and again.......never used them? the sandwiches and sodas did come in handy though. we completed the trail and headed home. <br>
<br>
thanks to richard and tim for the fantastic trip :)<br>
http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1079
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- The AzVJC Website
94185 From: Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:11pm
Subject: [FS] Rims for sale
I've got (4) factory Jeep wheels for sale that came off my 91 Cherokee
Sport. They are a 7" rim with, I believe, 5.25" backspacing. They are in
great shape with little to no rockrash. Here is a link to a pic:
http://www.rockrats.org/RR/Scripts/Thumb.asp?W=640&F=175_03111017107.jpg
$50 is my price
I'm at 35av/Union Hills.
Rick
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94186 From: Dan Dennis <dannpegg@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:35pm
Subject: I guess I need to ask again...
Since everyone has been caught up in this Hummer feeding frenzy, I
figured I'd ask again...
Is anyone planning on doing any wheelin' over the Thanksgiving
weekend? I'll be out there for the majority (from Thursday til
Sunday sometime...)and REALLY want to do some wheelin'!!! I gotta
have something to do while my wife is visiting her mom in the
hospital or I'll go NUTS!!!
Give me a shout!!!
Dan (BRUZR's Daddy)
97 TJ (BRUZR), Locked and Loaded in Lake Havasu City, AZ
94187 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:54pm
Subject: RE: I guess I need to ask again...
Dan most trips come up the week of the trip. Someone will have a trip on
Thanksgiving weekend and I am sure you will have a seat available if you
will not have your Jeep. This group always comes through and they will this
time. BTW my Nearly Stock YJ is broken until I get it in to Hunter or I
would offer.
Jim F. aka Hackle
Arizona RockRats President
http://www.rockrats.org/
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Dennis [mailto:dannpegg@c...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I guess I need to ask again...
Since everyone has been caught up in this Hummer feeding frenzy, I
figured I'd ask again...
Is anyone planning on doing any wheelin' over the Thanksgiving
weekend? I'll be out there for the majority (from Thursday til
Sunday sometime...)and REALLY want to do some wheelin'!!! I gotta
have something to do while my wife is visiting her mom in the
hospital or I'll go NUTS!!!
Give me a shout!!!
Dan (BRUZR's Daddy)
97 TJ (BRUZR), Locked and Loaded in Lake Havasu City, AZ
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94188 From: yzguyone25 <YZGUYONE25@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:26pm
Subject: Need parts soon! Help please!
Well,
I made a body lift for my Jeep and I love it so far. Unfortunately
with the body lift and the transfer case drop I cannot shift into
4wd! I am having withdrawls from 4wd!
I need to either get a MM lift or the linkage extension piece. Does
anyone have either of these laying around? I will come with cash in
hand!
Or, can anyone give my ideas on how to make my own MM lift?
Thanks a ton everyone!
Justin Olson
YZGUYONE25@a...
94189 From: Fred Wilson <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:43pm
Subject: Re: Need parts soon! Help please!
Did you try the simply first ??
That is adjusting the linkage..
There's an adjustment for it you know, assuming that you have a TJ ;)
:)
Fred
yzguyone25 wrote:
>Well,
>
>I made a body lift for my Jeep and I love it so far. Unfortunately
>with the body lift and the transfer case drop I cannot shift into
>4wd! I am having withdrawls from 4wd!
>
>I need to either get a MM lift or the linkage extension piece. Does
>anyone have either of these laying around? I will come with cash in
>hand!
>
>Or, can anyone give my ideas on how to make my own MM lift?
>
>Thanks a ton everyone!
>Justin Olson
>YZGUYONE25@a...
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
94190 From: Andrew Deschapelles <andrewrrdd@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:42pm
Subject: Dana 30 question...
Hi Folks...
I have a '97 TJ with Dana 30 upfront running 3.07 gears. I recently purchased 4.11 gears to upgrade both axles. What I did not realize was that I would have to purchase a bigger carrier up front to fit the 4.11 gears. I have been looking on Ebay and have noticed numerous Dana 30 components (carriers, gears etc) from CJ's and YJ's...
Question... will these older Dana 30 components fit in my '97 TJ dana 30? Is there any functional difference between the Dana 30 from CJ's and YJ's and the Dana 30 in my TJ?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Andrew
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94191 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:51pm
Subject: RE: Dana 30 question...
All D30 carriers are the same no matter what vehicle they came from. The cut
off is 3.73:1. I do allot of gear jobs and I know where I can get you a
carrier local. Email me off list if you are interested.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Deschapelles [mailto:andrewrrdd@y...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:43 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Dana 30 question...
Hi Folks...
I have a '97 TJ with Dana 30 upfront running 3.07 gears. I recently
purchased 4.11 gears to upgrade both axles. What I did not realize was that
I would have to purchase a bigger carrier up front to fit the 4.11 gears. I
have been looking on Ebay and have noticed numerous Dana 30 components
(carriers, gears etc) from CJ's and YJ's...
Question... will these older Dana 30 components fit in my '97 TJ dana 30?
Is there any functional difference between the Dana 30 from CJ's and YJ's
and the Dana 30 in my TJ?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Andrew
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94192 From: laredo0249 <Dslywalker1@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:54pm
Subject: Crown King Trip
Just curious there was a red Jeep yesterday 11/9/03 that run off the
road out of Crown King about 5 in the afternoon.I don't know if it
supported a Club Sticker but our Fire Dept. responded to it.There was
supposed to be 2 people out of there Jeep walking around.By the time
we got to the incident there was no one there but the Jeep.Any incite
on this issue?
Thanx Mike
94193 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:59pm
Subject: RE: Crown King Trip
If it was a White YJ it is probably Joey K again. He will be back in a
couple days looking for his Jeep. BTW be careful as when he goes on these
"trips" he feels it is clothing optional:) Jim F.
Arizona RockRats President
http://www.rockrats.org/
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
-----Original Message-----
From: laredo0249 [mailto:Dslywalker1@a...]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Crown King Trip
Just curious there was a red Jeep yesterday 11/9/03 that run off the
road out of Crown King about 5 in the afternoon.I don't know if it
supported a Club Sticker but our Fire Dept. responded to it.There was
supposed to be 2 people out of there Jeep walking around.By the time
we got to the incident there was no one there but the Jeep.Any incite
on this issue?
Thanx Mike
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