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93944 From: Arizona Virtual Jeep club <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:03pm
Subject: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot

I'll take a stock TJ up against a stock Hummer for 4 wheeling
capabilities ANY day of the week.

Then if you REALLY want to show up the hummer, make that "stock" TJ a
Rubicon. :D

Mike Chatfield
Caution: May contain opinions. Point away from brain, especially while
reading

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Don" <weasel_ugs@h...> wrote:
> Something no one has mentioned yet.They are using stock Hummers,who
> will be going along in their stock jeep?
> Not that I think one is better than the other but you can't
compare
> a stock vehicle to a modified one,it just isn't fair.That said Id
> rather have my Jeep for going off road than a Hummer. Don

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93945 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:03pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

OK folks...that makes two of us!!!! How many more folks from this side
of the valley are willing to help out? (I don't even know where this
spot is and I'm still up for giving it a try!)

Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharky [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:57 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

Hey Stu, Id love to help out if I can ride with you would be great.
Let me know :)

Late
Sharky

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Hey VJC gang...is anyone available to help with the below project?
>
> I had planned on doing the freeway opening on Nov. 15th but if I am
> going to make a trip to the far east side, it would seem that
helping on
> this project would provide a better return on the investment of
time.
>
> Anyone from the west side of the valley want to caravan over on that
> Saturday and help out?
>
> Sandee, how are you set up for folks to help on Saturday?
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> <http://www.stu-offroad.com> www.stu-offroad.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:21 PM
> To: mccullen@c...
> Subject: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>
>
> I NEED HELP AGAIN............. Below is a message from the Mesa
office
> Game & Fish planner that we have been working with for 18 months in
the
> planning and implimentation of the Desert Wells Riding Area in east
> valley. #'s 3,4,5 & 6 are the most urgent for volunteers but if we
can
> get this project completed we don't have anything more on the
horizon.
> We can PLAY for awhile.
>
> A couple of hours from each of you would complete this project in no
> time at all............................... Please review the
calendar
> and jobs needed and see if you can't find one day to help out.
>
> History: The riding area at the M.P. 201 in Gold Canyon was closed
due
> to EPA Dust issues and devistation of the land and ranchers tanks in
> this immediate area. 33,000 acres were closed at 201 and south
along
> the CAP Canal. BUT........... 86,000 acres remained open and 200
miles
> of trails were signed for motorized recreation. There are three
kiosks
> installed............ M.P. 207 off Hwy 60; M.P. 149 off Hwy 79; and
> Skyline Rd off Ironwood......... There are 11 entry gates into this
> area. Each gate and each kiosk will have a map of the area
indicating
> the trails available to ride. There will be maps and brochures
> available at each gate for riders to keep.
>
> The area along Ironwood Rd is closed......... both east and west to
> Meridian. The project refered to below is placing poles and cable
along
> Meridian from just north of Elliott Rd to Skyline and then east
back to
> Ironwood. The project on the 22nd incompasses all of the above
> including law enforcement writing citations for those cutting the
fence
> and entering into closed lands.
>
> PLEASE don't put this off on someone else........................
we
> need YOU!! Join your fellow club members for a morning of fun and
> WORK and finish off the day with a trail ride in the area or for
> 4x4's........... the MGCP area is just east of this area.
>
> Please email me with names, dates and hours you can volunteer.
> Thanks, Sandee
>
> Jeff, Sandee and Phil,
> OK, heres the status of a variety of projects and issued on much of
the
> Desert Wells Mutli-Use Area including the Meridian and Ironwood
Fence
> Alignment projects. Some Work days are going to be difficult to
> coordinate because of existing Club commitments and the fact that
some
> of the work dates are midweek. However, any assistance that you can
> provide as per the listings below would be greatly appreciated.
I've
> included on site meetings and work days that I know of:
>
> 1. Chuck and I will be at a Skyline and Meridian for an On-Site
Work
> Cable Barrier Planning Meeting at 10:00 AM Tuesday, November 4th to
> discuss final cable barrier details for the Meridian project
including
> scope and position of cable barrier.
>
> 2. Troy Christiansen and I will install all 11 gate signs on
Wednesday,
> November 5th starting 1000 am at Gate 1.
>
> 3. Jeff and Sandee will be installing numbered route signs the week
> November 3rd.
>
> 4. Post hole digging work on the Meridian Alignment will occur
November
> 12th - 15th.
> - AGFD bringing one auger and operator
> - ASLD bringing one auger and operator (Bill Webster)
> - CRG bringing one auger NO OPERATOR
> - other diggers/augars still being coordinated
> - Does ASA 4-WD, AZ ATV or AS Trailriders have may contacts who have
> access to 12 inch augers for these four days?
>
> 5. Volunteers needed for Post Setting Project, November 12, 13,
and 14.
> We need help hauling posts from ADOT (Country Club and Salt River),
> dropping posts off at site, and physically setting the posts. A
3/4
> ton truck able to haul ALSD's trailer (with who knows how many 8" X
8" X
> 6 foot guard rail posts strapped to it) will be required. I
understand
> that mid week is tough, any help will be needed as we are short the
> trailer driver, one auger operator and post setting crews. Email me
back
> with numbers of volunteers for those days.
>
> 6. Volunteers needed for Stringing Cable through posts, November
15th.
> Volunteer labor will be needed Saturday, November 15th to string
cable
> through all of the posts that were set the previous three days. The
> AGFD and ASLD auger will still be digging on the 15th as well.
Email me
> back with numbers of volunteers for those days.
>
> 7. Arizona Trailriders Volunteers to install Kiosk signs and
brochure
> Tubes, November 15th.
>
> 8. Volunteers will Fence Mend along Ironwood Alignment, November 22.
> ASLD closure signs and "redirecting the public" signs will be
installed
> as well. Concurrent to the fence mending and signage efforts, there
> will be an interagency enforcement effort on the 22nd. Additional
> interagency patrols are scheduled for the 23rd, 29th, 30th, 6th and
7th.
> I have verbal commitments from AJ PD and Pinal County SO.
>
> Get back with me regarding any help with volunteer labor and augers
for
> the above dates.
>
> Thanks
>
> Berg
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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93946 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:04pm
Subject: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot

hehe!! Very true! very true!

On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 02:46 PM, Sandee McCullen wrote:

> Oh Oh Chris.............. "the old Luge is impassible now....."
> Sounds
> like a "challenge" in that statement. There have been vehicles
> through the
> Luge in the past couple of years but not many............. Don't EVER
> say
> NEVER!!! S.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@c...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:43 PM
>> To: Janice Allison
>> Cc: Sandee McCullen; Joe-CJ7; BADAZXJ XJArizona; aztjdriver@y...;
>> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where
>> Jeep Cannot
>>
>>
>> The old Luge is impassible now. Too washed out now even for the
>> buggies. The hill he was referring to is called the Sluice. I have
>> been
>> down it several times.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 02:25 PM, Janice Allison wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen several Hummer tours going through Box Canyon. Always
>>> makes
>>> me
>>> wonder what I could earn driving people around on easy trails.
>>>
>>> Also met a guy back by Martinez Cabin who worked as a test driver for
>>> the
>>> mini-hummer (H2?) He had just driven the thing down that really
>>> steep
>>> trail (the luge?) like he was out for a Sunday drive. Go ahead, boo
>>> &
>>> hiss, but I've never seen a Jeep go down it. :)
>>>
>>> Jan
>>> 98 TJ - Road Hazard
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:45 PM 11/4/03 -0700, Sandee McCullen wrote:
>>>> Hummers can make it through Box Canyon.............. the MGCP and
>>>> RAC rode
>>>> with an applicant for "Hummer Tours" in this area. I was
>>>> questioning
>>>> the
>>>> ability of the full width Hummer through but they did it..........
>>>> no
>>>> problem! BTW: They received a tour permit to do commercial tours
>>>> through
>>>> Box Canyon and out to Martinez Canyon but they cannot cross the
>>>> springs nor
>>>> drive to the Cabin.
>>>>
>>>> Sandee
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joe-CJ7 [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:49 PM
>>>>> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; aztjdriver@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
>>>>> Where
>>>>> Jeep Cannot
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hell they could not make it through Box Canyon.
>>>>> Let's Challenge them. I am game for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Kearney
>>>>> Joe-CJ7@J...
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:58 PM
>>>>> To: aztjdriver@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
>>>>> Where
>>>>> Jeep Cannot
>>>>>
>>>>> how bout Axle Alley...or lower terminator.... yeah yeah thats
>>>>> it... I
>>>>> would
>>>>> pay $$$$$ to see a hummer go through that trail... LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank
>>>>> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
>>>>> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "aztjdriver" <aztjdriver@y...>
>>>>>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where
>>>>>> Jeep
>>>>>> Cannot
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:50:06 -0000
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Extreme AZ. Anyone care to email them for a challenge say on
>>>>>> Judgement day or Predator??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.extremearizona.com/sports_adventure/hummer_tours.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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93947 From: Joe-CJ7 <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:09pm
Subject: RE: FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

Maybe if someone can post a trip I could get to one of them. I have to
go out of town this weekend but the following would be OK?

Can someone please put this schedule in a easy format, for us slow
people?

Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:50 PM
To: az_vjc
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

Hey VJC gang...is anyone available to help with the below project?

I had planned on doing the freeway opening on Nov. 15th but if I am
going to make a trip to the far east side, it would seem that helping on
this project would provide a better return on the investment of time.

Anyone from the west side of the valley want to caravan over on that
Saturday and help out?

Sandee, how are you set up for folks to help on Saturday?

Stu

Stu Olson
<http://www.stu-offroad.com> www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:21 PM
To: mccullen@c...
Subject: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

I NEED HELP AGAIN............. Below is a message from the Mesa office
Game & Fish planner that we have been working with for 18 months in the
planning and implimentation of the Desert Wells Riding Area in east
valley. #'s 3,4,5 & 6 are the most urgent for volunteers but if we can
get this project completed we don't have anything more on the horizon.
We can PLAY for awhile.

A couple of hours from each of you would complete this project in no
time at all............................... Please review the calendar
and jobs needed and see if you can't find one day to help out.

History: The riding area at the M.P. 201 in Gold Canyon was closed due
to EPA Dust issues and devistation of the land and ranchers tanks in
this immediate area. 33,000 acres were closed at 201 and south along
the CAP Canal. BUT........... 86,000 acres remained open and 200 miles
of trails were signed for motorized recreation. There are three kiosks
installed............ M.P. 207 off Hwy 60; M.P. 149 off Hwy 79; and
Skyline Rd off Ironwood......... There are 11 entry gates into this
area. Each gate and each kiosk will have a map of the area indicating
the trails available to ride. There will be maps and brochures
available at each gate for riders to keep.

The area along Ironwood Rd is closed......... both east and west to
Meridian. The project refered to below is placing poles and cable along
Meridian from just north of Elliott Rd to Skyline and then east back to
Ironwood. The project on the 22nd incompasses all of the above
including law enforcement writing citations for those cutting the fence
and entering into closed lands.

PLEASE don't put this off on someone else........................ we
need YOU!! Join your fellow club members for a morning of fun and
WORK and finish off the day with a trail ride in the area or for
4x4's........... the MGCP area is just east of this area.

Please email me with names, dates and hours you can volunteer.
Thanks, Sandee

Jeff, Sandee and Phil,
OK, heres the status of a variety of projects and issued on much of the
Desert Wells Mutli-Use Area including the Meridian and Ironwood Fence
Alignment projects. Some Work days are going to be difficult to
coordinate because of existing Club commitments and the fact that some
of the work dates are midweek. However, any assistance that you can
provide as per the listings below would be greatly appreciated. I've
included on site meetings and work days that I know of:

1. Chuck and I will be at a Skyline and Meridian for an On-Site Work
Cable Barrier Planning Meeting at 10:00 AM Tuesday, November 4th to
discuss final cable barrier details for the Meridian project including
scope and position of cable barrier.

2. Troy Christiansen and I will install all 11 gate signs on Wednesday,
November 5th starting 1000 am at Gate 1.

3. Jeff and Sandee will be installing numbered route signs the week
November 3rd.

4. Post hole digging work on the Meridian Alignment will occur November
12th - 15th.
- AGFD bringing one auger and operator
- ASLD bringing one auger and operator (Bill Webster)
- CRG bringing one auger NO OPERATOR
- other diggers/augars still being coordinated
- Does ASA 4-WD, AZ ATV or AS Trailriders have may contacts who have
access to 12 inch augers for these four days?

5. Volunteers needed for Post Setting Project, November 12, 13, and 14.
We need help hauling posts from ADOT (Country Club and Salt River),
dropping posts off at site, and physically setting the posts. A 3/4
ton truck able to haul ALSD's trailer (with who knows how many 8" X 8" X
6 foot guard rail posts strapped to it) will be required. I understand
that mid week is tough, any help will be needed as we are short the
trailer driver, one auger operator and post setting crews. Email me back
with numbers of volunteers for those days.

6. Volunteers needed for Stringing Cable through posts, November 15th.
Volunteer labor will be needed Saturday, November 15th to string cable
through all of the posts that were set the previous three days. The
AGFD and ASLD auger will still be digging on the 15th as well. Email me
back with numbers of volunteers for those days.

7. Arizona Trailriders Volunteers to install Kiosk signs and brochure
Tubes, November 15th.

8. Volunteers will Fence Mend along Ironwood Alignment, November 22.
ASLD closure signs and "redirecting the public" signs will be installed
as well. Concurrent to the fence mending and signage efforts, there
will be an interagency enforcement effort on the 22nd. Additional
interagency patrols are scheduled for the 23rd, 29th, 30th, 6th and 7th.
I have verbal commitments from AJ PD and Pinal County SO.

Get back with me regarding any help with volunteer labor and augers for
the above dates.

Thanks

Berg

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93948 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot

The "he" was in reference to the H2 guy you talked to.

Chris

On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 03:21 PM, Janice Allison wrote:

> Okay, I stand corrected. However, I'm not a he, I'm a she.
> Geez, what is this the "Good Old Boys network?" hehe Sorry,
> couldn't resist - head's still spinning from all the recent drama. :)
>
> Jan
>
>
> At 02:42 PM 11/4/03 -0700, Chris Krieg wrote:
>> The old Luge is impassible now. Too washed out now even for the
>> buggies. The hill he was referring to is called the Sluice. I have
>> been
>> down it several times.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 02:25 PM, Janice Allison wrote:
>>
>> > I've seen several Hummer tours going through Box Canyon. Always
>> makes
>> > me
>> > wonder what I could earn driving people around on easy trails.
>> >
>> > Also met a guy back by Martinez Cabin who worked as a test driver
>> for
>> > the
>> > mini-hummer (H2?) He had just driven the thing down that really
>> steep
>> > trail (the luge?) like he was out for a Sunday drive. Go ahead,
>> boo &
>> > hiss, but I've never seen a Jeep go down it. :)
>> >
>> > Jan
>> > 98 TJ - Road Hazard
>> >
>> >
>> > At 01:45 PM 11/4/03 -0700, Sandee McCullen wrote:
>> >> Hummers can make it through Box Canyon.............. the MGCP and
>> >> RAC rode
>> >> with an applicant for "Hummer Tours" in this area. I was
>> questioning
>> >> the
>> >> ability of the full width Hummer through but they did it..........
>> no
>> >> problem! BTW: They received a tour permit to do commercial tours
>> >> through
>> >> Box Canyon and out to Martinez Canyon but they cannot cross the
>> >> springs nor
>> >> drive to the Cabin.
>> >>
>> >> Sandee
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Joe-CJ7 [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:49 PM
>> >>> To: BADAZXJ XJArizona; aztjdriver@y...;
>> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> >>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
>> Where
>> >>> Jeep Cannot
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hell they could not make it through Box Canyon.
>> >>> Let's Challenge them. I am game for that.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe Kearney
>> >>> Joe-CJ7@J...
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: BADAZXJ XJArizona [mailto:BadAZXJ@m...]
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:58 PM
>> >>> To: aztjdriver@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
>> Where
>> >>> Jeep Cannot
>> >>>
>> >>> how bout Axle Alley...or lower terminator.... yeah yeah thats
>> it... I
>> >>> would
>> >>> pay $$$$$ to see a hummer go through that trail... LOL
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Frank
>> >>> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
>> >>> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> From: "aztjdriver" <aztjdriver@y...>
>> >>>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> >>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where
>> >>>> Jeep
>> >>>> Cannot
>> >>>> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:50:06 -0000
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Extreme AZ. Anyone care to email them for a challenge say on
>> >>>> Judgement day or Predator??
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.extremearizona.com/sports_adventure/hummer_tours.htm
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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93949 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:08pm
Subject: [TR] Highway to Hell - Sunday, November 9, 2003

Hello All,steve sample is leading a Highway to Hell trail run on Sunday, November 9, 2003. When: 8:00am sunday
Where: cottonwood entrance on hwy 79 btwn florence and florence jct
Rating: 4.5+
Length: 6 hrs
CB Channel: 4

tim helzer and paul tenniswood are running H2H and probably upper ajax after. they invited me and i thought i would pass on the run to anyone out there that might be interested. 
 
tim runs a well built toy truck and paul an equally built CJ 
 
i am close behind them but older :) 
 
come on out if you like to wheel ROCKSSSSSSSS 
 
later 
steve 

http://www.azvjc.org/default.asp?A=1&ID=1079
Click the link above To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,

- The AzVJC Website

93950 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:10pm
Subject: Re: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot

Geez, you guys are arguing about a website that was built to draw in
biz?

Someone needs to spend more time in the garage with their Jeep.

:-)

Chris

On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 04:38 PM, Bill LaBrie wrote:

> I don't think we are disagreeing. What I intended to point out was
> that the
> Hummer in its purest incarnation is a military truck intended to carry
> men
> and materiel. It excels in this role. The Jeep has evolved from its
> martial
> origins into the ultimate off-road recreational vehicle, perhaps at
> the cost
> of its efficiency as an ordnance cart. Point is: who cares?
> Recreational use
> is what jeeping is all about. The narrow focus and intensity of the
> Hummer
> makes it relatively useless (not to mention extremely expensive) in a
> civilian setting as a recreational vehicle.
>
> You're right in that the Hummer probably can't go through the trails
> and
> passes you mentioned, but the rightful pilots of the HumVee would
> probably
> say that's just an opportunity to use boot leather or air support.
>
>
>
>
>> From: "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
>> To: "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...>
>> Subject: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep
>> Cannot
>> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:37:26 -0000
>>
>> It says nothing about carrying what Jeep cannot, it claims to go
>> where a Jeep cannot not so your comparing apples and oranges. I
>> agree, my TJ cannot carry near the load of a hummer, both in
>> capacity and even if I could fit it in, the little 4 banger would
>> have no chance of moving it.
>>
>> However I can run the terminators, predator, and anaconda.
>>
>> Chris
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, carrying a rack of TOW missles or an entire field hospital,
>> maybe. Two
>>> people and fishing rods? No way.
>>>
>>> What a crock of s$&$.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
>>>> To: aztjdriver@y..., az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
>> Where Jeep
>>>> Cannot
>>>> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:58:28 -0700
>>>>
>>>> how bout Axle Alley...or lower terminator.... yeah yeah thats
>> it... I would
>>>> pay $$$$$ to see a hummer go through that trail... LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
>>>> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "aztjdriver" <aztjdriver@y...>
>>>>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
>> Where Jeep
>>>>> Cannot
>>>>> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:50:06 -0000
>>>>>
>>>>> Extreme AZ. Anyone care to email them for a challenge say on
>>>>> Judgement day or Predator??
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.extremearizona.com/sports_adventure/hummer_tours.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
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93951 From: hutchmcknight <hutchmcknight@y...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:19pm
Subject: Re: transfercase

---
Are you in neutral when you shift?

In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Dave Peterson <gonzodave@y...> wrote:
> Dunno, Justin. Maybe someone else on the list can help. I hope. :-)
>
> Dave
>
> --- Dustin McBrown <dusmcbr0@y...> wrote:
> > dave,
> > i'm driving 90yj and it's a standard tranny. i'm completely
stopped when
> > i shift from 4L to 4H and it makes that banging sound. what's goin on
> > here?
> > dustin
> >
> > Dave Peterson <gonzodave@y...> wrote:
> > Dustin,
> >
> > What kind of Jeep? Automatic or standard transmission? Are you
standing
> > still or rolling when you shift?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > --- Dustin McBroom wrote:
> > > when i shift from 4L into 4H it makes an extremely loud bang! like
> > > something is just dropping. anyone know what this is?
> > >
> > >
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93952 From: Tony Axtell <axtell@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:27pm
Subject: RE: box canyon

Price Road, in Florence.

If you take 60 out east to Florence junction and go south on 79, past
the gunnery range, after the town of Florence city limits sign, cross
the rail road tracks and take a left on Price Road. The road goes out
about 8 miles? You'll be right at the start of box canyon.

There is an Arizona 4wheel drive trails and back roads book you can buy
at any 4wheel drive parts shop. Just ask at the counter. They will know
what you want. It's a great book to have. It also has maps of the entire
area. There are many trails and runs out there. Coke ovens is one.

Tony Axtell 78CJ5

-----Original Message-----
From: Dustin McBroom [mailto:dusmcbr0@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:35 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] box canyon

can anyone offer up the exact trail head to enter in at for box
canyon. if i'm not mistaken that same area leads to coke ovens?
thanks for the info.
dustin

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93953 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:34pm
Subject: RE: FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

Joe....I would but I don't even know what to put for a location. Until
I have some basic ideas....where, time, etc., I am not going to post
this up as a trip.

Right now, I am simply trying to drum up some potential help. I don't
even know if it is needed for that day. From what I read, if they don't
have the post holes drilled and the posts set, stringing the cable won't
happen.

I wish there had been something happening this coming weekend as I have
it much more available compared to the 15th.

Thanks for the response!

Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe-CJ7 [mailto:Joe-CJ7@J...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:09 PM
To: Stu Olson; az_vjc
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

Maybe if someone can post a trip I could get to one of them. I have to
go out of town this weekend but the following would be OK?

Can someone please put this schedule in a easy format, for us slow
people?

Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...

-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:50 PM
To: az_vjc
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

Hey VJC gang...is anyone available to help with the below project?

I had planned on doing the freeway opening on Nov. 15th but if I am
going to make a trip to the far east side, it would seem that helping on
this project would provide a better return on the investment of time.

Anyone from the west side of the valley want to caravan over on that
Saturday and help out?

Sandee, how are you set up for folks to help on Saturday?

Stu

Stu Olson
<http://www.stu-offroad.com> www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:21 PM
To: mccullen@c...
Subject: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

I NEED HELP AGAIN............. Below is a message from the Mesa office
Game & Fish planner that we have been working with for 18 months in the
planning and implimentation of the Desert Wells Riding Area in east
valley. #'s 3,4,5 & 6 are the most urgent for volunteers but if we can
get this project completed we don't have anything more on the horizon.
We can PLAY for awhile.

A couple of hours from each of you would complete this project in no
time at all............................... Please review the calendar
and jobs needed and see if you can't find one day to help out.

History: The riding area at the M.P. 201 in Gold Canyon was closed due
to EPA Dust issues and devistation of the land and ranchers tanks in
this immediate area. 33,000 acres were closed at 201 and south along
the CAP Canal. BUT........... 86,000 acres remained open and 200 miles
of trails were signed for motorized recreation. There are three kiosks
installed............ M.P. 207 off Hwy 60; M.P. 149 off Hwy 79; and
Skyline Rd off Ironwood......... There are 11 entry gates into this
area. Each gate and each kiosk will have a map of the area indicating
the trails available to ride. There will be maps and brochures
available at each gate for riders to keep.

The area along Ironwood Rd is closed......... both east and west to
Meridian. The project refered to below is placing poles and cable along
Meridian from just north of Elliott Rd to Skyline and then east back to
Ironwood. The project on the 22nd incompasses all of the above
including law enforcement writing citations for those cutting the fence
and entering into closed lands.

PLEASE don't put this off on someone else........................ we
need YOU!! Join your fellow club members for a morning of fun and
WORK and finish off the day with a trail ride in the area or for
4x4's........... the MGCP area is just east of this area.

Please email me with names, dates and hours you can volunteer.
Thanks, Sandee

Jeff, Sandee and Phil,
OK, heres the status of a variety of projects and issued on much of the
Desert Wells Mutli-Use Area including the Meridian and Ironwood Fence
Alignment projects. Some Work days are going to be difficult to
coordinate because of existing Club commitments and the fact that some
of the work dates are midweek. However, any assistance that you can
provide as per the listings below would be greatly appreciated. I've
included on site meetings and work days that I know of:

1. Chuck and I will be at a Skyline and Meridian for an On-Site Work
Cable Barrier Planning Meeting at 10:00 AM Tuesday, November 4th to
discuss final cable barrier details for the Meridian project including
scope and position of cable barrier.

2. Troy Christiansen and I will install all 11 gate signs on Wednesday,
November 5th starting 1000 am at Gate 1.

3. Jeff and Sandee will be installing numbered route signs the week
November 3rd.

4. Post hole digging work on the Meridian Alignment will occur November
12th - 15th.
- AGFD bringing one auger and operator
- ASLD bringing one auger and operator (Bill Webster)
- CRG bringing one auger NO OPERATOR
- other diggers/augars still being coordinated
- Does ASA 4-WD, AZ ATV or AS Trailriders have may contacts who have
access to 12 inch augers for these four days?

5. Volunteers needed for Post Setting Project, November 12, 13, and 14.
We need help hauling posts from ADOT (Country Club and Salt River),
dropping posts off at site, and physically setting the posts. A 3/4
ton truck able to haul ALSD's trailer (with who knows how many 8" X 8" X
6 foot guard rail posts strapped to it) will be required. I understand
that mid week is tough, any help will be needed as we are short the
trailer driver, one auger operator and post setting crews. Email me back
with numbers of volunteers for those days.

6. Volunteers needed for Stringing Cable through posts, November 15th.
Volunteer labor will be needed Saturday, November 15th to string cable
through all of the posts that were set the previous three days. The
AGFD and ASLD auger will still be digging on the 15th as well. Email me
back with numbers of volunteers for those days.

7. Arizona Trailriders Volunteers to install Kiosk signs and brochure
Tubes, November 15th.

8. Volunteers will Fence Mend along Ironwood Alignment, November 22.
ASLD closure signs and "redirecting the public" signs will be installed
as well. Concurrent to the fence mending and signage efforts, there
will be an interagency enforcement effort on the 22nd. Additional
interagency patrols are scheduled for the 23rd, 29th, 30th, 6th and 7th.
I have verbal commitments from AJ PD and Pinal County SO.

Get back with me regarding any help with volunteer labor and augers for
the above dates.

Thanks

Berg

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93954 From: Joe <flexyxj98@m...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:36pm
Subject: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot

Flexy offers to DRIVE the hummer through JUDGEMENT DAY!!!!

FlexyXJ

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...> wrote:
> Geez, you guys are arguing about a website that was built to draw
in
> biz?
>
> Someone needs to spend more time in the garage with their Jeep.
>
> :-)
>
> Chris
>
> On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 04:38 PM, Bill LaBrie wrote:
>
> > I don't think we are disagreeing. What I intended to point out
was
> > that the
> > Hummer in its purest incarnation is a military truck intended to
carry
> > men
> > and materiel. It excels in this role. The Jeep has evolved from
its
> > martial
> > origins into the ultimate off-road recreational vehicle, perhaps
at
> > the cost
> > of its efficiency as an ordnance cart. Point is: who cares?
> > Recreational use
> > is what jeeping is all about. The narrow focus and intensity of
the
> > Hummer
> > makes it relatively useless (not to mention extremely expensive)
in a
> > civilian setting as a recreational vehicle.
> >
> > You're right in that the Hummer probably can't go through the
trails
> > and
> > passes you mentioned, but the rightful pilots of the HumVee would
> > probably
> > say that's just an opportunity to use boot leather or air support.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
> >> To: "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...>
> >> Subject: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where
Jeep
> >> Cannot
> >> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:37:26 -0000
> >>
> >> It says nothing about carrying what Jeep cannot, it claims to go
> >> where a Jeep cannot not so your comparing apples and oranges. I
> >> agree, my TJ cannot carry near the load of a hummer, both in
> >> capacity and even if I could fit it in, the little 4 banger would
> >> have no chance of moving it.
> >>
> >> However I can run the terminators, predator, and anaconda.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------
---
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ok, carrying a rack of TOW missles or an entire field hospital,
> >> maybe. Two
> >>> people and fishing rods? No way.
> >>>
> >>> What a crock of s$&$.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
> >>>> To: aztjdriver@y..., az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
> >> Where Jeep
> >>>> Cannot
> >>>> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:58:28 -0700
> >>>>
> >>>> how bout Axle Alley...or lower terminator.... yeah yeah thats
> >> it... I would
> >>>> pay $$$$$ to see a hummer go through that trail... LOL
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Frank
> >>>> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> >>>> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: "aztjdriver" <aztjdriver@y...>
> >>>>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
> >> Where Jeep
> >>>>> Cannot
> >>>>> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:50:06 -0000
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Extreme AZ. Anyone care to email them for a challenge say on
> >>>>> Judgement day or Predator??
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
http://www.extremearizona.com/sports_adventure/hummer_tours.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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93955 From: <azvjcmember@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 2:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot

A 4 wheeler is not bought, it's built!

Anthony

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93956 From: Joe <flexyxj98@m...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:41pm
Subject: Re: 1.0 to 3.0 trails close to Phoenix

(in a twisted way, that only JOHN would understand)ROFLMAO, Like john
has a vehicle to look for him in anyway......:)

FlexyXJ

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Trujillo" <jeff.trujillo@m...>
wrote:
> It would be a lot easier if you were to sign up on some of the
trail
> runs on azvjc.org that way you dont get lost on the trails. You
dont
> want John (Hunter Offroad) looking for you on his time off :o) J/K
> That way you can meet some nice folks and get to know the area with
> an experienced jeeper that knows the trails. Or you can post a run
> yourself and ask someone to lead it for you. Theres usaully a good
> turnout on most runs. Good luck Jeff CamoXJ--- In
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "blainethepain69" <bbraastad@u...> wrote:
> > Hello Jeepers, I tried this before but I don't think it went
> > through.
> > Can anyone give my good directions from either 7th street and
bell,
> > or some other fairly easily found land mark, to some 1.0 to 3.0
> > trails near Phoenix? I have tried to find Martinez Cabin, found
an
> > artillery range instead, nothing marked as Cottonwood canyon, as
> well
> > as the back way to crown king and by fallowing the instructions
to
> > lake pleasant after the paved road ends take a right. Is that a
> right
> > onto the hill? I saw two trails but both seemed to end once over
> the
> > top of said hill. PLEASE HELP ME TO JEEP!!!! Thank you.

93957 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:35pm
Subject: RE: FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

Joe,
If you could make it on the 22 that would be great! Sandee

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe-CJ7 [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:09 PM
> To: Stu Olson; az_vjc
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> Maybe if someone can post a trip I could get to one of them. I have to
> go out of town this weekend but the following would be OK?
>
> Can someone please put this schedule in a easy format, for us slow
> people?
>
> Joe Kearney
> Joe-CJ7@J...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:50 PM
> To: az_vjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>
>
> Hey VJC gang...is anyone available to help with the below project?
>
> I had planned on doing the freeway opening on Nov. 15th but if I am
> going to make a trip to the far east side, it would seem that helping on
> this project would provide a better return on the investment of time.
>
> Anyone from the west side of the valley want to caravan over on that
> Saturday and help out?
>
> Sandee, how are you set up for folks to help on Saturday?
>
> Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> <http://www.stu-offroad.com> www.stu-offroad.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@c...]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:21 PM
> To: mccullen@c...
> Subject: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>
>
> I NEED HELP AGAIN............. Below is a message from the Mesa office
> Game & Fish planner that we have been working with for 18 months in the
> planning and implimentation of the Desert Wells Riding Area in east
> valley. #'s 3,4,5 & 6 are the most urgent for volunteers but if we can
> get this project completed we don't have anything more on the horizon.
> We can PLAY for awhile.
>
> A couple of hours from each of you would complete this project in no
> time at all............................... Please review the calendar
> and jobs needed and see if you can't find one day to help out.
>
> History: The riding area at the M.P. 201 in Gold Canyon was closed due
> to EPA Dust issues and devistation of the land and ranchers tanks in
> this immediate area. 33,000 acres were closed at 201 and south along
> the CAP Canal. BUT........... 86,000 acres remained open and 200 miles
> of trails were signed for motorized recreation. There are three kiosks
> installed............ M.P. 207 off Hwy 60; M.P. 149 off Hwy 79; and
> Skyline Rd off Ironwood......... There are 11 entry gates into this
> area. Each gate and each kiosk will have a map of the area indicating
> the trails available to ride. There will be maps and brochures
> available at each gate for riders to keep.
>
> The area along Ironwood Rd is closed......... both east and west to
> Meridian. The project refered to below is placing poles and cable along
> Meridian from just north of Elliott Rd to Skyline and then east back to
> Ironwood. The project on the 22nd incompasses all of the above
> including law enforcement writing citations for those cutting the fence
> and entering into closed lands.
>
> PLEASE don't put this off on someone else........................ we
> need YOU!! Join your fellow club members for a morning of fun and
> WORK and finish off the day with a trail ride in the area or for
> 4x4's........... the MGCP area is just east of this area.
>
> Please email me with names, dates and hours you can volunteer.
> Thanks, Sandee
>
> Jeff, Sandee and Phil,
> OK, heres the status of a variety of projects and issued on much of the
> Desert Wells Mutli-Use Area including the Meridian and Ironwood Fence
> Alignment projects. Some Work days are going to be difficult to
> coordinate because of existing Club commitments and the fact that some
> of the work dates are midweek. However, any assistance that you can
> provide as per the listings below would be greatly appreciated. I've
> included on site meetings and work days that I know of:
>
> 1. Chuck and I will be at a Skyline and Meridian for an On-Site Work
> Cable Barrier Planning Meeting at 10:00 AM Tuesday, November 4th to
> discuss final cable barrier details for the Meridian project including
> scope and position of cable barrier.
>
> 2. Troy Christiansen and I will install all 11 gate signs on Wednesday,
> November 5th starting 1000 am at Gate 1.
>
> 3. Jeff and Sandee will be installing numbered route signs the week
> November 3rd.
>
> 4. Post hole digging work on the Meridian Alignment will occur November
> 12th - 15th.
> - AGFD bringing one auger and operator
> - ASLD bringing one auger and operator (Bill Webster)
> - CRG bringing one auger NO OPERATOR
> - other diggers/augars still being coordinated
> - Does ASA 4-WD, AZ ATV or AS Trailriders have may contacts who have
> access to 12 inch augers for these four days?
>
> 5. Volunteers needed for Post Setting Project, November 12, 13, and 14.
> We need help hauling posts from ADOT (Country Club and Salt River),
> dropping posts off at site, and physically setting the posts. A 3/4
> ton truck able to haul ALSD's trailer (with who knows how many 8" X 8" X
> 6 foot guard rail posts strapped to it) will be required. I understand
> that mid week is tough, any help will be needed as we are short the
> trailer driver, one auger operator and post setting crews. Email me back
> with numbers of volunteers for those days.
>
> 6. Volunteers needed for Stringing Cable through posts, November 15th.
> Volunteer labor will be needed Saturday, November 15th to string cable
> through all of the posts that were set the previous three days. The
> AGFD and ASLD auger will still be digging on the 15th as well. Email me
> back with numbers of volunteers for those days.
>
> 7. Arizona Trailriders Volunteers to install Kiosk signs and brochure
> Tubes, November 15th.
>
> 8. Volunteers will Fence Mend along Ironwood Alignment, November 22.
> ASLD closure signs and "redirecting the public" signs will be installed
> as well. Concurrent to the fence mending and signage efforts, there
> will be an interagency enforcement effort on the 22nd. Additional
> interagency patrols are scheduled for the 23rd, 29th, 30th, 6th and 7th.
> I have verbal commitments from AJ PD and Pinal County SO.
>
> Get back with me regarding any help with volunteer labor and augers for
> the above dates.
>
> Thanks
>
> Berg
>
>
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93958 From: <azvjcmember@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 2:43pm
Subject: Re: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot

so has anyone else sent them an e-mail?

Anthony C

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93959 From: TODD MCCULLEN <desertfab@m...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:54pm
Subject: Hummers, Jeeps, Fullsize Ect..

I would like them to let me drive a Hummer through the trails we run, I will bet I could get it through most of them. It may not be easy but I could do it, as long as they do not care about body Damage. Heck, I got my ScoutII through Anaconda 6 or 7 years ago when was hard. Anaconda today is about half the difficulty. We all know every vehicle has pro's & Con's but has long as you are having fun who care's what you drive. I have never seen it done but have heard of Hummers making U-Turns on 40 Deg. slopes in Moab. Not sure a Jeep could do that. The point is every type of rig can do things others can't but overall a Jeep can do more.

Todd

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93960 From: <azvjcmember@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 2:51pm
Subject: Re: FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

As of today we poured all the post holes and from what I understand, the
poles will be put into place sometime this week. alot of the cable has already
been pulled, some of the other rolls are still waiting to get strung There are a
few more footings and barrier walls to go up before the weekend, and I'm sure
that it'll be ready for the scheduled date. I'll talk to the inspector
tomorrow and get the inside scoop on what's up and let yall know.

Anthony

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

93961 From: Jeff Trujillo <jeff.trujillo@m...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:54pm
Subject: Re: 1.0 to 3.0 trails close to Phoenix

Very true, I almost forgot about that LMFAO sorry John. Jeff
CamoXJ BTW, any news yet?--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"
<flexyxj98@m...> wrote:
> (in a twisted way, that only JOHN would understand)ROFLMAO, Like
john
> has a vehicle to look for him in anyway......:)
>
>
> FlexyXJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Trujillo" <jeff.trujillo@m...>
> wrote:
> > It would be a lot easier if you were to sign up on some of the
> trail
> > runs on azvjc.org that way you dont get lost on the trails. You
> dont
> > want John (Hunter Offroad) looking for you on his time off :o)
J/K
> > That way you can meet some nice folks and get to know the area
with
> > an experienced jeeper that knows the trails. Or you can post a
run
> > yourself and ask someone to lead it for you. Theres usaully a
good
> > turnout on most runs. Good luck Jeff CamoXJ--- In
> > az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "blainethepain69" <bbraastad@u...> wrote:
> > > Hello Jeepers, I tried this before but I don't think it went
> > > through.
> > > Can anyone give my good directions from either 7th street and
> bell,
> > > or some other fairly easily found land mark, to some 1.0 to 3.0
> > > trails near Phoenix? I have tried to find Martinez Cabin, found
> an
> > > artillery range instead, nothing marked as Cottonwood canyon,
as
> > well
> > > as the back way to crown king and by fallowing the instructions
> to
> > > lake pleasant after the paved road ends take a right. Is that a
> > right
> > > onto the hill? I saw two trails but both seemed to end once
over
> > the
> > > top of said hill. PLEASE HELP ME TO JEEP!!!! Thank you.

93962 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:57pm
Subject: Re: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot

LOL.. I carry lots of spare parts in the XJ that I can use as weapons (a gun
or 2 as well)....does that count? :-)

Hummers are military vehicles meant for carrying men, tools, and weapons.
They have a nostalgic quality that makes them attractive to use for the tour
business. Most tourists arnt gonna wanna ride in my rig through axle alley,
terminators, or any of the other trails we mentioned anyways. Now, if I ran
out west tours or pink jeeps or one of those other outfits....It might be in
my best interest to call their bluff....hint hint NINA.. LOL j/k

Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw

>From: "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep
>Cannot
>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:38:30 -0500
>
>I don't think we are disagreeing. What I intended to point out was that the
>Hummer in its purest incarnation is a military truck intended to carry men
>and materiel. It excels in this role. The Jeep has evolved from its martial
>origins into the ultimate off-road recreational vehicle, perhaps at the
>cost
>of its efficiency as an ordnance cart. Point is: who cares? Recreational
>use
>is what jeeping is all about. The narrow focus and intensity of the Hummer
>makes it relatively useless (not to mention extremely expensive) in a
>civilian setting as a recreational vehicle.
>
>You're right in that the Hummer probably can't go through the trails and
>passes you mentioned, but the rightful pilots of the HumVee would probably
>say that's just an opportunity to use boot leather or air support.
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
> >To: "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...>
> >Subject: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot
> >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:37:26 -0000
> >
> >It says nothing about carrying what Jeep cannot, it claims to go
> >where a Jeep cannot not so your comparing apples and oranges. I
> >agree, my TJ cannot carry near the load of a hummer, both in
> >capacity and even if I could fit it in, the little 4 banger would
> >have no chance of moving it.
> >
> >However I can run the terminators, predator, and anaconda.
> >
> >Chris
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, carrying a rack of TOW missles or an entire field hospital,
> >maybe. Two
> > > people and fishing rods? No way.
> > >
> > > What a crock of s$&$.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
> > > >To: aztjdriver@y..., az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
> >Where Jeep
> > > >Cannot
> > > >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:58:28 -0700
> > > >
> > > >how bout Axle Alley...or lower terminator.... yeah yeah thats
> >it... I would
> > > >pay $$$$$ to see a hummer go through that trail... LOL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Frank
> > > >http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> > > >http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "aztjdriver" <aztjdriver@y...>
> > > > >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
> >Where Jeep
> > > > >Cannot
> > > > >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:50:06 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >Extreme AZ. Anyone care to email them for a challenge say on
> > > > >Judgement day or Predator??
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.extremearizona.com/sports_adventure/hummer_tours.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
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93963 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 8:02pm
Subject: RE: FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

Anthony..thanks for the info.

I still don't have a clue where this area is. That info was never
included in the original request for help.

Please keep me informed. I've already got the 15th planned for other
things but I will make time to help. Any info you can pass on will be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks again....Stu

Stu Olson
<http://www.stu-offroad.com> www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Azvjcmember@a... [mailto:Azvjcmember@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:52 PM
To: solson8@q...; Joe-CJ7@J...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

As of today we poured all the post holes and from what I understand, the
poles will be put into place sometime this week. alot of the cable has
already been pulled, some of the other rolls are still waiting to get
strung There are a few more footings and barrier walls to go up before
the weekend, and I'm sure that it'll be ready for the scheduled date.
I'll talk to the inspector tomorrow and get the inside scoop on what's
up and let yall know.

Anthony

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

93964 From: BADAZXJ XJArizona <BadAZXJ@m...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 8:16pm
Subject: Re: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot

LOL... like the toyota through axle alley...your all good as long as the
hummer is automatic (and has no passengers to scare! :-)

Just givin ya a hard time buddy...

Frank
http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw

>From: "Joe" <flexyxj98@m...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep
>Cannot
>Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:36:02 -0000
>
>Flexy offers to DRIVE the hummer through JUDGEMENT DAY!!!!
>
>
> FlexyXJ
>
>
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...> wrote:
> > Geez, you guys are arguing about a website that was built to draw
>in
> > biz?
> >
> > Someone needs to spend more time in the garage with their Jeep.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 04:38 PM, Bill LaBrie wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think we are disagreeing. What I intended to point out
>was
> > > that the
> > > Hummer in its purest incarnation is a military truck intended to
>carry
> > > men
> > > and materiel. It excels in this role. The Jeep has evolved from
>its
> > > martial
> > > origins into the ultimate off-road recreational vehicle, perhaps
>at
> > > the cost
> > > of its efficiency as an ordnance cart. Point is: who cares?
> > > Recreational use
> > > is what jeeping is all about. The narrow focus and intensity of
>the
> > > Hummer
> > > makes it relatively useless (not to mention extremely expensive)
>in a
> > > civilian setting as a recreational vehicle.
> > >
> > > You're right in that the Hummer probably can't go through the
>trails
> > > and
> > > passes you mentioned, but the rightful pilots of the HumVee would
> > > probably
> > > say that's just an opportunity to use boot leather or air support.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
> > >> To: "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...>
> > >> Subject: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where
>Jeep
> > >> Cannot
> > >> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:37:26 -0000
> > >>
> > >> It says nothing about carrying what Jeep cannot, it claims to go
> > >> where a Jeep cannot not so your comparing apples and oranges. I
> > >> agree, my TJ cannot carry near the load of a hummer, both in
> > >> capacity and even if I could fit it in, the little 4 banger would
> > >> have no chance of moving it.
> > >>
> > >> However I can run the terminators, predator, and anaconda.
> > >>
> > >> Chris
> > >> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>---
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...>
>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Ok, carrying a rack of TOW missles or an entire field hospital,
> > >> maybe. Two
> > >>> people and fishing rods? No way.
> > >>>
> > >>> What a crock of s$&$.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> From: "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
> > >>>> To: aztjdriver@y..., az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
> > >> Where Jeep
> > >>>> Cannot
> > >>>> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:58:28 -0700
> > >>>>
> > >>>> how bout Axle Alley...or lower terminator.... yeah yeah thats
> > >> it... I would
> > >>>> pay $$$$$ to see a hummer go through that trail... LOL
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Frank
> > >>>> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> > >>>> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> From: "aztjdriver" <aztjdriver@y...>
> > >>>>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
> > >> Where Jeep
> > >>>>> Cannot
> > >>>>> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:50:06 -0000
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Extreme AZ. Anyone care to email them for a challenge say on
> > >>>>> Judgement day or Predator??
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
>http://www.extremearizona.com/sports_adventure/hummer_tours.htm
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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93965 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 8:21pm
Subject: RE: FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

Anthony........... are we talking about the same project????

My understanding was Game & Fish were going to put the gate signs and map
holders up around the perimeter of the Desert Wells area today. Game & Fish
are suppose to start digging post holes on the 12th........ hopefully
finished by the 15th although I doubt it. It started off being 2 miles of
posts. It is now 4-5 miles. They need help dropping the posts into the
holes right behind them as they cannot accept the liability to leave "open
holes". We won't be pulling the cable until all the posts are in. They
also need a trailer and help in getting the poles to the site.... I haven't
had the chance to talk with Kevin in the past couple of days to find out
what they plan to do re the "pull posts". We certainly cannot pull several
miles of cable without every third or fourth pole being set in concrete.
Just setting a couple of feet into dirt will not secure the tension needed
for the cable.

Somehow they need more of their own or the Land Dept. needs to find someone
but we still need to be on hand to complete this project. I know they're
looking at getting Trustees from the prison to maybe help.......... They
are definitely asking a lot of volunteers but....................

I'll let you know what's happening as soon as possible. Have the funeral
tomorrow so won't know anything until Thursday and we're leaving for Parker
Thurs afternoon.

Sandee

> -----Original Message-----
> From: azvjcmember@a... [mailto:azvjcmember@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:52 PM
> To: solson8@q...; Joe-CJ7@J...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> As of today we poured all the post holes and from what I understand, the
> poles will be put into place sometime this week. alot of the
> cable has already
> been pulled, some of the other rolls are still waiting to get
> strung There are a
> few more footings and barrier walls to go up before the weekend,
> and I'm sure
> that it'll be ready for the scheduled date. I'll talk to the inspector
> tomorrow and get the inside scoop on what's up and let yall know.
>
> Anthony
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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93966 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 8:21pm
Subject: RE: FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>

Stu,
This is continuing work on the Desert Wells OHV area at Gold
Canyon..........

Hwy 60 on the north; Ironwood Rd on the West; Hwy 79 on the East; and
Arizona Farms Rd on the south. The poles and cable will run south along the
west side of Ironwood from Elliott to Skyline........ and along the east
side of Meridian to Skyline and east to Ironwood. This is part of the
closure from the M.P. 201 at Gold Canyon. The numbering we need to complete
is along the Hwy 79 section and the maps etc will be directing riders to
this area.

Sandee

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:03 PM
> To: Azvjcmember@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> Anthony..thanks for the info.
>
> I still don't have a clue where this area is. That info was never
> included in the original request for help.
>
> Please keep me informed. I've already got the 15th planned for other
> things but I will make time to help. Any info you can pass on will be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks again....Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> <http://www.stu-offroad.com> www.stu-offroad.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Azvjcmember@a... [mailto:Azvjcmember@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:52 PM
> To: solson8@q...; Joe-CJ7@J...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: ANOTHER CALL FOR HELP>>>>>>>>>
>
> As of today we poured all the post holes and from what I understand, the
> poles will be put into place sometime this week. alot of the cable has
> already been pulled, some of the other rolls are still waiting to get
> strung There are a few more footings and barrier walls to go up before
> the weekend, and I'm sure that it'll be ready for the scheduled date.
> I'll talk to the inspector tomorrow and get the inside scoop on what's
> up and let yall know.
>
> Anthony
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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93967 From: Joe <flexyxj98@m...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 8:35pm
Subject: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where Jeep Cannot

Hey, I had NO idea there was ANYONE in the back, untill after I slid
down and almost went over backward..... Oh well, All is fair in
wheeling ....right???

FlexyXJ

--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
wrote:
> LOL... like the toyota through axle alley...your all good as long
as the
> hummer is automatic (and has no passengers to scare! :-)
>
> Just givin ya a hard time buddy...
>
>
>
> Frank
> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Joe" <flexyxj98@m...>
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go
Where Jeep
> >Cannot
> >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 03:36:02 -0000
> >
> >Flexy offers to DRIVE the hummer through JUDGEMENT DAY!!!!
> >
> >
> > FlexyXJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krieg <rv6a@c...> wrote:
> > > Geez, you guys are arguing about a website that was built to
draw
> >in
> > > biz?
> > >
> > > Someone needs to spend more time in the garage with their Jeep.
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 04:38 PM, Bill LaBrie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't think we are disagreeing. What I intended to point out
> >was
> > > > that the
> > > > Hummer in its purest incarnation is a military truck intended
to
> >carry
> > > > men
> > > > and materiel. It excels in this role. The Jeep has evolved
from
> >its
> > > > martial
> > > > origins into the ultimate off-road recreational vehicle,
perhaps
> >at
> > > > the cost
> > > > of its efficiency as an ordnance cart. Point is: who cares?
> > > > Recreational use
> > > > is what jeeping is all about. The narrow focus and intensity
of
> >the
> > > > Hummer
> > > > makes it relatively useless (not to mention extremely
expensive)
> >in a
> > > > civilian setting as a recreational vehicle.
> > > >
> > > > You're right in that the Hummer probably can't go through the
> >trails
> > > > and
> > > > passes you mentioned, but the rightful pilots of the HumVee
would
> > > > probably
> > > > say that's just an opportunity to use boot leather or air
support.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> From: "Chris" <my1stjeep@e...>
> > > >> To: "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...>
> > > >> Subject: Re: Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can Go Where
> >Jeep
> > > >> Cannot
> > > >> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:37:26 -0000
> > > >>
> > > >> It says nothing about carrying what Jeep cannot, it claims
to go
> > > >> where a Jeep cannot not so your comparing apples and
oranges. I
> > > >> agree, my TJ cannot carry near the load of a hummer, both in
> > > >> capacity and even if I could fit it in, the little 4 banger
would
> > > >> have no chance of moving it.
> > > >>
> > > >> However I can run the terminators, predator, and anaconda.
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris
> > > >> -------------------------------------------------------------
----
> >---
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Bill LaBrie" <mrbuttz@h...>
> >wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ok, carrying a rack of TOW missles or an entire field
hospital,
> > > >> maybe. Two
> > > >>> people and fishing rods? No way.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> What a crock of s$&$.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> From: "BADAZXJ XJArizona" <BadAZXJ@m...>
> > > >>>> To: aztjdriver@y..., az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer
Can Go
> > > >> Where Jeep
> > > >>>> Cannot
> > > >>>> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:58:28 -0700
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> how bout Axle Alley...or lower terminator.... yeah yeah
thats
> > > >> it... I would
> > > >>>> pay $$$$$ to see a hummer go through that trail... LOL
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Frank
> > > >>>> http://groups.msn.com/BadAzXJ
> > > >>>> http://groups.msn.com/badazxj/arizonaundertakers.msnw
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> From: "aztjdriver" <aztjdriver@y...>
> > > >>>>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >>>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Local AZ Company Claims The Hummer Can
Go
> > > >> Where Jeep
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93968 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 9:16pm
Subject: FW: Let's get it on.....

This is from one of the guys at the Hummer place. I guess he doesn't want to
play :(..

-----Original Message-----
From: WilArsenault@a... [mailto:WilArsenault@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Let's get it on.....

Hi James,

Please forgive as much fun, as this challenge sounds. Who started this, as
Ron nor
I sent out any email challenging anyone. Maybe you could shed some light on
this.
In any event, I do not wish to challenge anyone as the hummer cannot go
places the jeep can go and the jeep cannot go where the hummer could go (in
rare cases). It's all a matter of terrain in my humble opinion. If my hummer
cannot make it, I can always use my 71
TJ, with a F. I. 350, that is if I can keep my drivetrain from exploding.

Hey , you know where I can get a better deal on embrace conversion kit. I am
tired of
cleaning up oil!
Thanks,
Bill
XA

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